Greg Wycliffe - Reacting to Arif Virani Answer Questions about Bill C-63

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

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00:01:00.000 okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay how's everybody we're going to be be doing a short

00:01:19.700 shorter stream tonight just want to react to some content with a reef verani talking about

00:01:25.720 bill c63 i might kind of touch on a few couple things before that i know it's earlier than usual

00:01:31.260 it's a little earlier than it usually is uh it's just what we're doing right now just what we're

00:01:36.720 doing right now hope everyone's well kev b47 katherine grant mika shrednik dj cameron de

00:01:44.140 beats cameron de beat says hey greg love you my friend i love you too thanks for watching

00:01:49.440 uh you know we get it we get it we understand how bad things really are in the country and i you

00:01:57.360 know i was talking to somebody earlier uh today about this how um it's it's very rare to find

00:02:06.040 somebody in canada who sees how bad truly things are they recognize how bad truly things are they're

00:02:13.980 not delusional thinking that Pierre Polyev is going to solve our problems. And they're also not

00:02:19.520 full of fear and rage and like, can't, can't think of a positive solution of what to do

00:02:28.700 with their time and energy. And, you know, I've seen this, especially since COVID and the trucker

00:02:35.320 convoy, where the people that get it, the people that see who admit and confess how bad truly

00:02:41.580 things are unfortunately a lot of them i feel are still kind of scattered they're afraid or you

00:02:47.840 know they're they're not focused on an actual constructive solution or they're not optimistic

00:02:53.020 and to be fair it's not easy it's really not easy to uh to bear the burden of seeing how bad things

00:02:59.660 are in this country and actually coming up with something uh worthwhile but that being said

00:03:05.060 different groups are coming up with things that have a more long-term kind of uh solution to it

00:03:11.920 that's a big reason i started savefreespeech.ca to focus my efforts on something i think worthwhile

00:03:17.080 which is to campaign against bill c63 and it's going really well you know i started it back in

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00:04:09.820 recently posted antifa communists are targeting canadian gun owners yes they are made a whole

00:04:18.020 video about this this this video i made is a week or two old but i wanted to kind of like

00:04:22.740 post it in a in an article for people to see and understand uh the politics of these people

00:04:30.120 and precisely what their attitude is.

00:04:32.660 And these are the same people behind Bill C-63, you guys.

00:04:35.480 These are the same people behind Bill C-63.

00:04:39.680 This would be, the enforcement of Bill C-63

00:04:42.720 would not be anything other than completely political partisanship.

00:04:47.380 It would be used for political suppression.

00:04:49.640 We've already seen that since the convoy, right?

00:04:53.360 So this bill needs to be stopped.

00:04:56.180 I don't see much energy from the Conservative Party

00:04:58.200 to truly push back against this bill or throw out this bill.

00:05:02.100 But yeah, with that being said, let's get into it.

00:05:05.820 Let's get into the video we're going to react to here,

00:05:09.460 which maybe I should actually bring up the fuller context just for the record.

00:05:17.980 So this is a live stream from Canada Youth Internet Governance Forum.

00:05:23.680 And they had a guest speaker, which was Arif Varani.

00:05:27.000 and we're going to react to that now

00:05:30.000 let me quickly look at the chat hey everybody how's it going

00:05:35.540 mother of the drummer big d how's it going great north roofer this country died nine years ago

00:05:42.080 oof oof i mean you can definitely make that argument you can definitely make that argument

00:05:48.700 um and yeah i mean i'm hoping that this is the beginning of the tsn turning point

00:05:57.000 kind of the convoy was the tsn turning point we just don't know it yet uh i talked about this

00:06:02.540 with randy hillier on our interview uh was that yesterday seems like a long time ago

00:06:07.960 i guess it was two nights ago uh did an interview with randy hillier and uh i talked about how i

00:06:14.080 think a lot of the seeds were planted a lot of seeds were planted at the convoy the mask fell

00:06:18.160 off of what this canadian government what their true character is because let's not forget that

00:06:23.500 the conservative party was essentially on board with all of the lockdowns that took the rights

00:06:28.240 away of unvaccinated Canadians where you couldn't travel couldn't do anything the conservative

00:06:32.500 party both major parties were on board with this and um yeah the seeds were planted Canadians saw

00:06:38.660 how bad things really are and I think we're going to see the fruits of those seeds not right away

00:06:43.860 it's going to take some time it's going to take some years but I think that's that's really the

00:06:47.620 beginning of the TSN turning point because I'll say my whole life I wondered what does it mean

00:06:53.140 to be Canadian what does that really mean is it just maple syrup what does it mean and I saw it

00:06:58.980 at the convoy I felt it I experienced it it's real uh and that's for the first time ever that

00:07:06.300 I felt I had really felt it and seen it and experienced it so yeah that was that was the

00:07:12.060 TSN turning point let's uh all right let's do this let's play this I want to make sure the volume

00:07:17.540 is not too loud it's digital policy in canada it's a little louder today our keynote speaker

00:07:23.700 minister will discuss this act all right i gave the introduction already so let's get into it

00:07:29.940 it's about uh 30 minutes he answers some questions about bill c63 let's get into it let's go let's

00:07:34.740 freaking go and what it means for canadian youth it is my absolute pleasure to introduce the

00:07:41.540 honorable minister of justice and attorney general of canada ari frani please join me

00:07:47.060 in welcoming the minister

00:07:57.060 big av bigger reef let's go buddy what dana neglected to mention is that i'm also her local mp

00:08:04.100 which is uh which means we both live in the best area of the city if not the country which is park

00:08:08.340 delhi park uh but how is everyone doing this morning best area of the city good

00:08:12.820 Fun fact, I actually ran against Arif Varani in 2019 when I ran for the PPC.

00:08:22.320 I was actually at the debate table against this guy.

00:08:27.320 Let me tell you, he's a dangerous politician.

00:08:29.680 He's a very smooth talker.

00:08:30.900 He's very good at what he does.

00:08:32.900 And that's why it's really important for this project, SaveFreeSpeech.ca,

00:08:38.880 because, you know, this guy isn't like a Stephen

00:08:41.100 Gilboa bumbling around looking 1.00

00:08:43.040 like some sketchy idiot. 1.00

00:08:44.940 No, he's actually quite good at what he does. 1.00

00:08:47.560 But, I mean, thankfully

00:08:49.040 for us,

00:08:51.240 he's, you know, he's lying

00:08:52.800 because he's for the Liberal Party and

00:08:54.940 a lot of the stuff he says doesn't

00:08:57.020 make sense and it's very easy to poke holes in his

00:08:58.900 arguments and that's what we're going to do now.

00:09:01.020 So,

00:09:02.280 I was actually asking a friend

00:09:04.940 for a clip because in one of the debates

00:09:06.600 when I was a 2019 candidate,

00:09:08.880 uh, the, the, the NDP candidate and the green party candidate, they turned their backs on me

00:09:15.720 every time that I was speaking at a debate. It was quite an experience for those who don't know

00:09:20.160 the, some of the background or lore. Great North roofer says parliament looks like kindergartners

00:09:26.580 fighting over who took whose last cookie out of the jet out of the jar. Just a, just a joke

00:09:31.880 government. Yeah. It's a, it's pretty bad. It's pretty bad, isn't it? It's not getting any better

00:09:37.900 too and i think more and more canadians are like seeing through it like i think the canadians who

00:09:41.780 have been following politics for a while have been seeing through it um and i think apolitical

00:09:46.420 canadians see it and they're like huh this doesn't seem very authentic why is why are all of our

00:09:52.180 canadian politicians running around talking about different foreign interests every single day like

00:09:57.640 more and more it seems like 75 percent of the conversation had by the political class i'm

00:10:05.800 talking media pundits i'm talking politicians 75 of what they're talking about in canada is a

00:10:10.920 foreign issue or a foreign conflict or a foreign group so rare is it just about like a real canadian

00:10:18.360 issue affecting canadians if it is it's always just like housing or taxes it's never about the

00:10:23.280 canadian people right i think that's a very interesting distinction it's never the canadian

00:10:27.800 people but it's like the foreign people this foreign group this distinct foreign group of

00:10:32.560 people, identifiable group, but it's never the Canadian people and how they've been affected

00:10:38.100 and disenfranchised and their statues are being torn down and their churches are burning.

00:10:43.160 Right?

00:10:43.340 Like none of that even hits, none of that hits the radar, none of that, that hardly

00:10:46.960 even is a part of the conversation.

00:10:49.560 Anyway, we know this already, guys.

00:10:51.360 If you're watching, you already know this stuff.

00:10:53.220 We know, Greg, move on.

00:10:55.140 I'm so happy to be among you today for this event and for this discussion.

00:11:00.920 The second thing I want to do is just acknowledge

00:11:05.220 you've already started your conference, but I will acknowledge the territory that we are on.

00:11:08.980 This is the traditional territory of the Haudenosaunee, the Wendat, the Anishinaabeg, and most recently

00:11:13.040 the Mississaugas of the Credit. I always

00:11:15.560 insist on doing land acknowledgments, but as we approach September 30th, which is our third

00:11:21.040 annual day for truth and reconciliation, we should all be reflective

00:11:24.160 about what we can do to advance reconciliation in this country.

00:11:28.000 so yeah just by making that comment right we're going to we're going to save indigenous people

00:11:33.260 by virtue signaling this stuff is so silly but it is worth noting that a lot of what props up

00:11:40.920 the importance of bill c63 is a lot of the i'll call crudely woke politics it's a lot of the

00:11:46.660 identity politics so much of hate speech is dependent on hating only specific groups of

00:11:52.840 people uh in this case you know you're allowed to hate white people you're you're allowed to hate

00:11:58.660 canadian history because it's just genocidal as he just mentioned that's basically the implication

00:12:03.540 um and a lot of the actual uh verbiage or the legal jargon in bill c63 and and really across

00:12:10.420 the world when it comes to hate speech in western countries it's identifiable groups they use this

00:12:15.120 term identifiable groups you're not allowed to hate identifiable groups and it essentially implies

00:12:20.240 you know any type of minority uh that's where the hatred's going to come from and the kind of

00:12:25.980 implication is that you can't really hate white people that's not really a uh that's not uh really

00:12:31.720 going to hit the radar of this hate speech laws i've made other content about this you've probably

00:12:36.080 seen cool papa j magic says hate speech means speech that contradict speech that contradicts

00:12:42.720 anti-whitism. Yeah, I mean, you could say that. Lee Stewie

00:12:49.880 says, Arif Arani is if you ordered Justin Trudeau from

00:12:53.180 Timu. Yeah. Yeah, he's the brown. He's the brown Justin

00:12:58.960 Trudeau. It's really important for me to be here. It's really

00:13:03.040 important also for me to be listening to you. I appreciate

00:13:05.360 you want to hear from me and I'm happy to discuss aspects of

00:13:08.700 the bill that I've been promoting in Parliament these

00:13:11.240 past several months uh which is a really important piece of legislation but i think i just wanted to

00:13:16.500 underscore at the outset your ideas and input are also critical to me in terms of uh helping to

00:13:22.740 perfect what i think is already a good bill but not a perfect bill in terms of what can be done

00:13:27.520 to improve it and make it ah okay and we'll see it's not a perfect bill but it's a good bill so

00:13:33.540 they're already setting this up to you know revising it in committee but um with the help

00:13:39.040 us say freespeech.ca we're just going to tell them to throw the whole thing out okay to use that

00:13:43.260 i've made a tweet about this but essentially the anything anything that's good

00:13:48.360 anything that they deem is good in bill c63 is already redundant they say we're going to stop

00:13:57.400 things like child pornography that's already illegal that's already flagged by big tech

00:14:03.820 platforms big tech already has a system to flag content and take down content quickly

00:14:10.300 so anything on bill c63 that is a positive thing of oh we want to take down harmful content big

00:14:17.860 tech already does that oh we want to take down illegal content that stuff's already illegal

00:14:21.920 that's that stuff is already you know managed and and targeted by law enforcement so any of

00:14:28.160 the sort of virtue of why we need to do something it's already taken care of for the most part by

00:14:33.420 big tech or our existing legal system so it's very redundant any of the good things about bill

00:14:40.340 c63 are completely redundant there's nothing actually good and uh productive in this bill

00:14:45.040 whatsoever other than a lot of the the rhetoric around there's a lot of rhetoric around it right

00:14:52.080 that says it's over to protect kids it's all just it's all hot air in terms of just sort of at the

00:14:57.200 outset in terms i'm just gonna pour myself a bit of water yeah you're gonna need that bud you're

00:15:03.280 going to need some water to get through this uh this train wreck you i need to uh i need to i need 0.74

00:15:10.260 to you know moisten my i need to drink some water before i spew all this bullshit really helps

00:15:15.500 let's do a land acknowledgement sort of setting up sort of where things are at and i appreciate 0.87

00:15:20.680 many people in this room are a lot younger than me i am a tender age of 52 i've got the bald spot

00:15:26.700 back here to prove it but it's a it's a different world that many of you have grown up in compared

00:15:31.220 to the world that i grew up in and i appreciate that world comes with challenges i also i think

00:15:36.080 he's losing his hair because he's so stressed because he's lying all the time that's my theory

00:15:39.760 on why he has a bald spot anyway appreciate as a father raising two young boys the challenges that

00:15:44.440 every young person faces in terms of adjusting sort of finding their voice and sort of coming

00:15:49.280 to terms and sort of as they embrace adulthood and that's quick question arif do you think uh

00:15:55.140 kids spending seven hours a day on a screen is going to help them help your child develop properly

00:16:01.660 because throughout this entire conversation on bill c63 not once have i seen a liberal party

00:16:09.100 member a referani anybody advocating for the bill saying that hey maybe we should spend less time

00:16:15.420 online that's never something in the conversation it's always just like well we spend eight to ten

00:16:22.420 hours a day on the internet nothing we can do about that so we better get the government to

00:16:26.800 babysit us while we do that because because this is i bring this up because if you're a parent you

00:16:33.600 are concerned about how much time you're spending kids are spending online and what they might be

00:16:37.760 looking at online but no like it's so it's a genuine concern it's a genuine concern but with

00:16:44.460 this bill no one is saying hey maybe kids should be online less you know that's never a part of

00:16:50.360 the conversation which i think is the actual the real sort of um like a genuine talking point a

00:16:58.380 genuine sentiment that i think a lot of parents have that i think should be addressed and back

00:17:02.420 to my campaign in 2019 i actually had that as my own sort of policy because when you run for the

00:17:07.640 ppc you can kind of make up your own policy if you want say hey this is what i would do if i was in

00:17:11.660 power and i talked about how i would put a lot of money into researching the effect of devices and

00:17:18.480 internet on young people probably adults too but also young people like like doing the research to

00:17:23.960 say hey are these like cigarettes are giving smartphones to kids kind of like giving cigarettes

00:17:29.680 to kids should we look into this and i'm sure you would find you know because i made the joke of

00:17:35.100 like hey i'm a grown man and i'm addicted to my phone i said that in a debate and everybody laughed

00:17:39.220 and i'm like it's actually not that funny because we're giving devices to children and there's you

00:17:44.800 know they're spending more of their waking hours looking at a screen than living in reality and

00:17:50.860 like kicking a soccer ball around and just kind of like using their their their flesh vehicle

00:17:56.540 no they're they're just in the device so again like that's a genuine concern that parents have

00:18:02.560 no one talking about bill c63 is addressing this at all it's just a bunch of fear-mongering

00:18:07.220 uh about um about other stuff you know it's just taken for granted well kids spend over seven hours

00:18:15.240 a day online that means we got the government's gotta babysit them cool

00:18:19.280 great north roofer says my boys are teens and both don't have cell phones uh based this is like

00:18:28.220 i really man i always ask a parent or a teacher when i meet them what's your policy what's your

00:18:38.400 protocol for devices what are we doing with these devices and kids because i've seen i've seen you

00:18:44.380 know parents who i know and you know the kid will be there and they're young and they're just like

00:18:48.120 swiping away on the ipad and i'm like i just get this feeling of like i don't i feel like there

00:18:53.740 should be more i don't know if that's going to be good for the you know a toddler but um

00:19:00.860 cool papa j magic says are you running for office of some kind greg wycliffe that would be so cool

00:19:07.600 we need good folks like you to speak for us on the government level i ran in 2019 at this point

00:19:13.520 i'm not going to be running in the immediate future i could in the future um right now i want

00:19:19.260 to focus on the culture i want to focus on content i'm producing a documentary right now

00:19:24.940 uh to expose uh the censorship industry to expose things that are happening in this country

00:19:31.720 and i think a lot a lot of work needs to be done so i'm focusing my efforts on that right now

00:19:37.020 because i think that's kind of the best place to put my efforts to kind of sway the cultural

00:19:41.980 conversation um i think getting out there and being a politician and running is very important

00:19:47.580 And shout-outs to all the people who are running for the PPC

00:19:49.560 because I really feel that is sort of like you're knocking doors,

00:19:53.440 you're starting conversations, you're getting involved in the community.

00:19:55.740 It's like one of the best things you can do to get the word out there

00:19:58.220 and to let people know, hey, like-minded people like you are out there.

00:20:01.900 We're here.

00:20:02.900 We have a professional organization, the PPC. 1.00

00:20:05.760 And I think that's a really good stepping stone to red pill people 1.00

00:20:09.400 and to get them into our world of really finding out what's going on. 0.50

00:20:13.920 And knowing that there's just like normal like-minded Canadians

00:20:15.960 who are really concerned about what's going on.

00:20:18.180 But yeah, that being said,

00:20:19.740 if you want to help me produce bigger and better content,

00:20:23.040 then go to givesenggo.com slash savefreespeech, okay?

00:20:27.980 How much is free speech worth to you?

00:20:30.360 Is it worth the price of a coffee or buying me lunch?

00:20:34.180 Because, you know, you can help save free speech,

00:20:38.060 stop this bill just for a small donation like that.

00:20:41.500 They add up, guys.

00:20:42.480 They add up.

00:20:43.620 Anyway, let's get back into this reaction.

00:20:45.960 the trepidest sort of route for any person sort of I think 10 to 25 ish anywhere they are in the

00:20:57.480 world whatever era we're talking about but this is a very specific time that we're in and a specific

00:21:02.100 moment that we're in I think that's really important to underscore and what I want to also

00:21:08.160 emphasize is that the safety concerns that have been expressed to me are safety concerns that I

00:21:14.600 see that I hear about, but also ones that I'm personally sort of privy to. And what do I mean

00:21:21.000 by that? I mean that I cannot divorce my work on this bill from sort of who I am and what I

00:21:26.360 represent. So you can see right now, he's taken a moment to like, slow down to breathe, he needs to

00:21:33.440 get emotional, he needs to sell this so so much of, I mean, a lot of the, you know, whatever you 0.98

00:21:39.880 want to call it left-wing tyranny a lot of the the bullshit that they use to take our rights away 0.89

00:21:45.540 it's it hinges on this emotional argument of safety and bill c63 is no different so you can 0.94

00:21:51.680 see you can see he's kind of getting a bit emotional because he's about to tell us how

00:21:54.580 much of a victim he is because of the color of his skin even though he has the salary of a you know

00:22:01.280 member of parliament probably lives in the nice area of parkdale high park not the crappy area of

00:22:06.660 park there high park because there is a very huge distinction of of income in that riding it's

00:22:12.000 actually very interesting um because you have you have you know a poorer population that genuinely

00:22:17.240 wants socialism and then you have like super rich people who are like champagne socialists

00:22:21.900 so uh anyway it's it's quite interesting but let's get ready let's hear about how much of a victim

00:22:28.300 and how sad it is and how hard it is to be Arif Varani.

00:22:36.560 So, yes, I'm a parliamentarian.

00:22:38.080 Yes, I'm a lawyer.

00:22:39.200 It's good to have an attorney general that's a lawyer.

00:22:41.480 But I'm also an individual who came here as a refugee from Uganda in 1972.

00:22:46.420 I'm also a Muslim racialized man.

00:22:48.920 Racialized. 0.59

00:22:49.400 I'm raising two Muslim racialized boys.

00:22:52.860 And I think in terms of when we embrace...

00:22:56.400 What does that mean, racialized? 0.83

00:22:58.300 They're racialized 0.89

00:23:00.020 You know, I could see 1.00

00:23:02.160 This is going to be a crude example

00:23:03.280 But I could see if there's like, you know 1.00

00:23:05.840 An interracial marriage

00:23:10.780 It's like, they got racialized 0.99

00:23:12.380 You know, they got racialized

00:23:14.540 But, you know, if you're like a Muslim couple

00:23:17.780 And you have a Muslim child

00:23:19.760 Are they racialized? 1.00

00:23:21.140 Aren't they just like 0.99

00:23:21.880 Aren't they just Muslim? 0.98

00:23:24.980 What does that mean?

00:23:27.440 What does that mean?

00:23:28.300 they're racialized anyway let's let's continue online safety we have to understand sort of what

00:23:35.280 people are facing in terms of where they are how they look what they represent what they're trying 0.94

00:23:40.040 to articulate and that looks different for somebody who's indigenous it looks different

00:23:43.940 for somebody who's lgbtq it looks different for someone who's black for somebody who's racialized

00:23:48.560 for somebody who's a religious minority it's i've it's i this is a stale talking point but it's it's

00:23:55.020 just so ironic how it's like everyone is so different everyone has totally a different

00:24:00.420 perspective and like that's really that's a crucial thing you guys it's so it's so important

00:24:06.440 to recognize how just how different everybody is any anyway it's it's really leading up to the you

00:24:15.020 know people are bigger victims or people are targeted for how they look like blah blah blah

00:24:18.480 but uh anyway because there's a lot going on online and a lot of it is cloaked under an

00:24:25.800 anonymity that emboldens people uh to really challenge people other people's safety and i

00:24:33.060 think a lot of you pardon sorry hold up pardon pardon pardon uh boomer alert boomer alert

00:24:41.700 i mean boomer in a in a loving way i mean boomer as in like here's somebody who doesn't

00:24:48.320 understand how the internet really works and what the internet is let's hear that again do we have

00:24:53.200 to understand sort of what people are facing in terms of where they are how they look what they

00:24:57.920 represent what they're trying to articulate and that looks different for somebody who's indigenous

00:25:02.480 it looks different for somebody who's lgbtq it looks different for someone who's black for

00:25:06.720 somebody who's racialized for somebody who's a religious minority because there's a lot going on

00:25:12.000 online and a lot of it is cloaked under an anonymity yeah that's what the internet is

00:25:18.240 there's a lot there's a lot that goes on on the internet and a lot of it is is cloaked in

00:25:24.260 anonymity okay welcome to the internet that emboldens people uh to really challenge people

00:25:33.380 other people's safety it's it's okay so it's the internet though so it kind of just happens

00:25:39.540 online so it's like it challenges people's safety that's a that's a good one what does that mean

00:25:46.620 a reef something challenges challenges your safety don't you mean challenges like your

00:25:53.400 you feeling apps it challenges your sense of feeling absolutely comfortable like everything

00:25:59.200 is totally fine so it's sort of disturb it disturbs what it it disturbs your worldview

00:26:05.220 it challenges your safety challenges your safety this guy should have drank more water before 0.94

00:26:14.140 giving this presentation i'm i'm thinking bullshit i'm thinking he didn't have notes for this 0.54

00:26:18.300 okay so let's see we we still got 25 more minutes of this struggle session of him pulling stuff out 0.99

00:26:24.380 of his ass don't worry there's no nudity but you know there is going to be some graphic moments 0.99

00:26:28.880 It's where Ari Farani is pulling obscene things from his backside. 1.00

00:26:35.580 But let's continue.

00:26:37.000 And I think a lot of you in this room can understand what I'm speaking about.

00:26:40.720 But the online world has become increasingly unsafe.

00:26:43.880 And I want to pause for...

00:26:44.860 It's unsafe!

00:26:46.400 Don't go online!

00:26:47.920 Don't pick up your phone!

00:26:49.400 It's not safe, guys!

00:26:50.960 It's the internet! 0.77

00:26:52.520 The only thing that's unsafe about the internet are, I don't know, the scammers, the Jeets 1.00

00:26:57.860 who are scamming people all the all the phishing things like you know most dangerous place on your 1.00

00:27:02.280 internet is probably your inbox it's probably it's probably you know when when someone's you

00:27:08.180 know trying to scam you out of money or out of your personal data that yeah maybe it's a little

00:27:15.040 unsafe there but uh what he's about to go into is hilarious it's like don't open your phone

00:27:20.020 you're gonna find something that's offensive and offend you yeah that's why i'm going on that's

00:27:26.400 why i'm going on the internet i want to see something interesting i want to see something

00:27:29.600 offensive i want to be entertained hello a moment to reflect on if you guys i hope there are some

00:27:37.000 nerds in the room i presume there's a few who've been following sort of this legislation closely

00:27:41.060 but when i tabled it it was either the 26th or 27th of february and i was at a podium like this

00:27:47.080 and they're surrounded by a lot of fellow parliamentarians um but also i was flanked

00:27:52.200 by a few here comes the sob story he's going to weaponize the sob story that he used when he first

00:27:57.280 tabled this bill two different people and one of the persons i was flanked by was a woman named

00:28:01.380 elise bovay you don't need to know her name but i hope you do remember her name but elise bovay

00:28:07.240 is a black woman from montreal a francophone who dared to enter the fray of discussions about

00:28:13.260 systemic racism and anti-black racism in the way listen to that verbiage she dared to enter the

00:28:20.480 fray of talking about racism on the internet like that's so dramatic she she went on reddit

00:28:30.360 okay she she went on reddit she went on twitter and she tweeted she dared to go into the fray of

00:28:38.280 online discourse like you're like man you're really making me seem like like every twitter

00:28:45.320 warrior who goes on and makes a tweet is some valiant brave revolutionary commenter

00:28:52.920 they entered the fray no you tweeted you were taking a dump and you and you posted something

00:28:59.140 on the internet i i entered the fray that's so funny wake of george floyd and what elise bovay

00:29:08.320 faced was intense backlash so much so that at least beauvais sort of resiled from that discussion 0.89

00:29:16.560 wow she got ratioed okay so so she posted on the internet people responded uh because she

00:29:25.360 couldn't handle it she resiled from communicating with anyone physically or online uh resiled into

00:29:31.500 herself and uh it affected her anxiety levels her trauma levels depression you name it and i

00:29:38.280 reason it affected her trauma levels trauma levels we might need it lee we might need a new uh do i

00:29:46.560 have the image here oh come on oh crap oh yeah no i have it here we need it we need another graphic

00:29:57.880 like this for trauma levels what's your trauma level at my trauma levels are rising it's so

00:30:04.180 traumatic that i can identify the exact level of trauma that i'm going through uh no but this

00:30:09.780 graphic is the um like the hate how hateful something is because essentially bill c63 for

00:30:16.700 you if you guys don't know they want to make detestation uh illegal like it's it's it's it's

00:30:22.100 criminal hate speech to detest something in speech so they're like no no you can still disdain

00:30:29.560 something you can still dislike something you can still humiliate something but you can't you

00:30:33.900 can't detest it though you can't vilify it those are the that's the line in the sand any questions 0.92

00:30:39.380 yeah i have a question how the fuck do you determine that and uh you know we have we have 0.88

00:30:45.540 an image like this as a joke of course but it's terrifying because this is supposed to be the law 0.98

00:30:49.700 this is what they want to put into law and you think that a lawyer you think a room of lawyers

00:30:55.240 can determine the difference between disdain and detest humiliate and vilify

00:31:01.380 the definition of detestation is intense dislike this bill is absurd it's totally absurd anyway

00:31:12.340 we might need a trauma levels uh graphic like this lee because uh you know people's trauma

00:31:19.120 levels need to be addressed my trauma levels are rising right now oh god i got ratioed on twitter

00:31:25.940 this is the worst day of my life someone told me to kill myself oh yeah welcome to the internet

00:31:34.160 i i just i can't imagine as someone who's received hate online before i can't imagine

00:31:40.220 like having to put my life on hold every time i get a hateful comment

00:31:45.300 it just sounds exhausting to to to take to take that so seriously but uh

00:31:52.980 Lee Stewie says they're using Supreme Court case precedent.

00:31:57.720 Yeah.

00:31:58.380 Yeah.

00:31:59.240 Hate that.

00:32:00.360 Hate that.

00:32:01.060 Hate that they're doing that.

00:32:02.760 And I'm going to hopefully interview Bruce Party about this because he kind of mentioned this in a Twitter space when I hopped in with him.

00:32:11.140 And he was saying like, yeah, well, he kind of implied, yeah, well, Supreme Court, it's from the Supreme Court.

00:32:17.860 So and it's like, OK, but what if the what if the Supreme Court is wrong on this?

00:32:22.980 is the supreme court ever wrong i feel like they kind of got this wrong i feel like they really

00:32:29.720 kind of weren't really thinking properly to set such a precedent that detestation and vilification

00:32:38.000 should be criminal speech because that's super super broad um oh but the supreme court said it

00:32:45.660 okay i don't care i i i don't know no offense to the supreme court i don't know if you guys uh

00:32:52.160 have the best track record under justin trudeau especially and um i mean you wear these you wear

00:32:59.500 these weird santa outfits kind of weird kind of weird santa outfits to be honest anyway let's keep 0.94

00:33:05.900 it going here because i feel like there's a lot of at least bovets out there that are not able to

00:33:13.660 find their voice and i raise that because people talk to me a lot about this legislation and about

00:33:19.780 people's voices and what are you doing to protect free expression and freedom of speech

00:33:26.220 particularly online and I'm going to address this at length a bit later on in my comments but what

00:33:31.980 I'd say just at the outset is that I think what we need to ensure that we all understand is that

00:33:36.680 so much of discourse in civic debate in civic society right now is notwithstanding the fact

00:33:43.620 I'm here in front of you at a microphone and I'm pleased to be here in person it takes place online

00:33:48.200 on our phones on our computers etc and if people are impeded from penetrating that virtual town

00:33:53.780 square that virtual public space then their expressive rights are being lived this is so

00:34:01.920 ironic man this is so ironic so what he's doing here is he's implying that because hateful people

00:34:08.800 exist because there's anonymous accounts saying hateful things online uh to this example of this

00:34:16.460 black woman who got reviled from even commenting because that hate exists um people people can't

00:34:23.700 participate in free speech because people are getting offended we can't have free speech that's

00:34:30.320 what he's saying because people are offended because there's these oversensitive people who

00:34:35.280 are afraid of criticism or afraid of pushback or afraid of anonymous twitter trolls that's why we

00:34:42.000 can't have free speech it's only when we silence all these twitter trolls and stop all the hate

00:34:47.540 that's the only way we can have free speech this is such a like orwellian double speak like

00:34:53.720 inversion of the truth and reality he's saying no no by silencing hate we are going to uphold

00:35:01.200 democracy and free speech when in reality you are stopping free speech you are you are killing the

00:35:07.460 free speech by saying these this is hate we need to stop this free speech to allow free speech

00:35:13.980 it's it's it's it's evil i i would call this villainous i think slickly telling this lie

00:35:21.460 this inversion of the truth is an evil thing to do i think that this is like a you know this is

00:35:27.100 like a uh gotham gotham city villain this this type of lying of like no you see um we're gonna

00:35:37.180 save free speech by silencing the hate because people can only talk once other people have been

00:35:42.900 silenced that's pretty well what he's saying people can only have free speech if the hateful

00:35:48.760 people are silent and we're going to determine who's hateful and we're going to determine what's

00:35:53.600 bad and that's going to help us have a more freedom of speech it's totally insane guys

00:35:59.920 totally insane i'd also want to point out that there is

00:36:07.300 a great deal of information that is happening online and that is affecting young people

00:36:13.760 and the statistics really bear this out the statistics are that a quarter of teens experience

00:36:20.140 cyber bullying that the number of hate crimes report a quarter of teens experience cyber

00:36:24.860 bullying i love i love this fact because you know when they were asked that question in a survey

00:36:30.680 it's like was it a bad thing you know what i mean i've been so i've been cyber bullied

00:36:37.520 on tiktok i've had children make fun oh look at this old man wow this bro thought he did something

00:36:45.360 hundreds of likes making fun of me i'm not mad i think it's funny because it's the internet i

00:36:52.620 I understand that because it's more anonymized, it's more like anonymous in terms of the comments.

00:37:00.820 This is part of the fun of the internet.

00:37:04.120 Sure, it's part of the terrifying part of posting content and posting your face out there.

00:37:09.020 You might get roasted in the comments.

00:37:12.400 That's just the way it is.

00:37:14.360 That's part of the game.

00:37:16.300 You might get bullied.

00:37:17.640 You might get cyber bullied.

00:37:19.000 okay and you know you could make the argument that meet the me too movement 1.00

00:37:26.680 that these women like trying to call out sexual predators or harvey weinstein well that's cyber 1.00

00:37:34.340 bullying a reef all these people harassing harassing uh harvey weinstein for something 0.98

00:37:40.520 he did in the past why do they keep cyber bullying him this is such a horrible thing right we need to

00:37:46.140 stop the cyber bullet you see what i mean like sometimes the mob mentality that manifests on

00:37:51.840 the internet isn't always a bad thing sometimes it's actually uh like the social policing playing

00:37:58.200 out you know what i mean the social policing as in if somebody acts a fool if somebody acts like 0.90

00:38:04.380 an asshole or or a creep or whatever and then people cyber bully them and kind of uh what's 0.98

00:38:11.860 what's the word kind of condemn them for their actions or for what they said this is sort of 0.99

00:38:15.680 like the normal social order playing out where, where human beings react to something as a group

00:38:20.980 because they all agree that they did not like that thing. So this whole thing of trying to

00:38:25.720 control bullying is just such a mess because bullying is a human. Um, it's like part of

00:38:32.460 human nature. Uh, there's this book, a reef that, uh, maybe you should read. It's called

00:38:38.180 the Lord of the flies. Uh, very, very influential book. Sometimes I read it in English class

00:38:44.540 And it speaks to this idea of human nature and how it's this thing that can kind of descend into chaos when it's not sort of, you know, having some sort of natural order to things.

00:38:55.480 And this idea that you're going to like stop human nature, you're going to stop people from hatred, you're going to stop people from feeling that human emotion, you're going to stop people from bullying.

00:39:05.100 Yeah, it's insane.

00:39:07.040 It's evil.

00:39:07.720 It's something that a tyrant would do.

00:39:09.640 Not something that a reasonable, realistic person would do.

00:39:12.820 It's something that a power-hungry politician would do. 1.00

00:39:17.180 But anyway, let's continue on with your bullshit presentation. 0.98

00:39:22.160 ...by police in Canada has increased by 83% since 2019. 0.98

00:39:27.020 The Toronto police here in our city have reported that they've experienced

00:39:31.120 a 130% increase in hate-related calls.

00:39:35.380 I would love to know what classifies a hate-related call.

00:39:38.840 And I think sort of the irony of all these stats he's listing off is,

00:39:41.960 you know how popular of a term was hate speech 10 years ago how popular of a term

00:39:46.660 was hate crimes 10 years ago i can assure you people probably hardly even talked about it that

00:39:52.760 much compared to now like they're they're they're memeing it into existence they're trying to make

00:39:57.440 it more and more uh more and more prevalent more and more real it's like casting a spell you know

00:40:03.280 it's like casting a spell of the unvaccinated are evil you know we need to stop the hate speech the

00:40:10.540 hate crimes that are happening oh let's see hate crimes yep this is a the safety

00:40:15.240 2022 71 percent of young canadians reported seeing online hate content

00:40:22.820 in the previous 12 months which is well above the national average

00:40:26.360 one in eight people once again like hate content how are they categorizing this is hate content

00:40:32.540 is hate content is hate content always bad i can't bring it up right now but you know

00:40:37.580 if you were unvaccinated in canada in 2021 you were hated early 2022 especially you were hated

00:40:47.240 there were popular you know what's the infamous one the uh toronto star front page i don't care

00:40:54.920 if they die i'm sick of these people all these comments on the front page of a newspaper this

00:41:02.880 is a group that was totally hated totally vilified by the prime minister himself are you including

00:41:08.700 that in your little assessment of hate content on the internet and here's the thing i'm totally

00:41:15.440 fine with you know that i mean that phenomenon was really disturbing because it was like really

00:41:20.500 you know who knows what that was going towards but my point is is like trying to just say we're

00:41:26.160 going to stop hate on the internet is insane because who defines what hatred is i really

00:41:31.100 doubt he would include the hatred of unvaccinated canadians that was a very real thing uh in recent

00:41:36.340 history all saw young saw online content daily that could incite hate or violence and for that

00:41:42.780 matter um truth and reconciliation day the burning of churches the tearing down of sir john a mcdonald

00:41:49.380 statues what about that hate a reef what about that hate i mean i would make the argument that

00:41:55.700 the motion that was passed in the

00:41:57.800 parliament to

00:41:59.120 say that residential schools are genocide

00:42:01.360 I would say that has a sort of implication of

00:42:03.720 hate it implies that

00:42:05.780 our history

00:42:06.540 I mean should you like somebody that's genocidal

00:42:09.620 no you'd probably hate somebody who's genocidal

00:42:11.640 so you're implying that Canadian history

00:42:13.700 is inherently genocidal or that

00:42:15.860 Catholic 0.53

00:42:16.980 residential schools are inherently genocidal 1.00

00:42:19.980 i.e. you should hate them 0.97

00:42:21.160 right but no no no this is a very

00:42:23.680 specific definition of hate that he gets

00:42:25.660 to define that the liberal government wants to define that they're going to control it's uh yeah

00:42:31.720 and they raise this because it's something that just came up earlier this morning i was speaking

00:42:37.600 at another group about this very same idea and it's about given that statistical path

00:42:43.320 i feel it's incumbent upon legislators like me particularly people with roles like me as minister

00:42:48.900 of justice to take action and people said you know reef it's really helpful when you sort of

00:42:53.640 when you sort of give us illustrative examples so i'll go back to my youth so my youth was okay

00:42:58.520 i'm sorry i'm sorry before we get into this bullshit story this is just such this is just 0.97

00:43:02.200 such bullshit this this whole like emotion you know i thought i had to take i had to take action 0.98

00:43:06.660 i knew i had to do something when i saw these trends this is total bullshit bill c36 this was 0.98

00:43:12.860 tabled in 2021 they've already been trying to pass hate speech laws it was bill c36 i've made videos 0.87

00:43:18.840 about it years back and they were doing the same thing they were trying to uh control speech online

00:43:23.560 under the guise of protecting people from hate speech.

00:43:26.000 Arif Arani was not involved.

00:43:27.720 And now they've just repackaged Bill C-63

00:43:29.860 and Arif happens to be the attorney general, right?

00:43:34.080 Wait, am I getting that right?

00:43:35.720 Attorney general, justice minister.

00:43:39.020 You know, I knew I had to do something.

00:43:40.940 No, this government was already trying to push through

00:43:42.980 hate speech laws.

00:43:43.940 And now you're just taking up that banner

00:43:46.100 to try and push it through.

00:43:47.300 No, I saw the trends.

00:43:48.620 Guys, I saw the trends and I thought,

00:43:50.180 you know, I need to do something.

00:43:51.920 It's just such baloney, this guy. 0.60

00:43:56.760 Smartphone. 0.80

00:43:57.640 There was one phone in our house.

00:44:00.180 It was a dial phone like this, for those of you that remember what it does look like.

00:44:04.320 I've got one calling you does.

00:44:05.500 By the way, if you're tuning in and you want to help save free speech in Canada,

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00:44:18.580 we're doing all types of interviews of people who have been silenced having their characters

00:44:23.200 smeared by the canadian anti-hate network they're the same people who are behind bill c63 as well

00:44:27.940 we're going to expose them with this documentary go to givesango.com save free speech thank you so

00:44:33.900 much for uh the donations um yeah anyway let's get back into it that's good um but i remember

00:44:46.060 I've got a sister who's three years and three months older than me.

00:44:48.700 I remember my dad getting very angry when people would call our house after 9 or 9.30 or 10 o'clock to speak to my sister.

00:44:55.860 It was always boys wanting to speak to my sister.

00:44:58.180 He was being a protective dad.

00:44:59.360 I'm not a father of a daughter.

00:45:01.300 I'm a father of two boys.

00:45:02.320 But I think any dad would probably react in the same way.

00:45:04.640 But I raise this both partly flippantly, but also partly just to point out that we don't generally tolerate people who would show up at our houses,

00:45:13.200 show up at the playground or show up on the phone at 10 o'clock or 11 o'clock or 12 o'clock at night

00:45:19.320 particularly if they're wanting to chat about things that maybe might be harmful to our children

00:45:23.460 and yet that's exactly what's happening online all of the time and we need bros bros seriously

00:45:31.480 comparing irl to the internet you know and i think and this the ridiculous irony of his or

00:45:41.340 like not irony but the absurdity of his example is that uh the internet doesn't come to you

00:45:47.720 okay the internet does not come to you you need to open the internet you need to go on a device

00:45:53.040 and open the internet you need to open it you need to actively go inside and look at it and

00:45:59.800 go inside of the internet okay that's how you do it he's talking about people showing up at your

00:46:03.880 door calling you on your phone yeah that's not that's not how the internet works the internet

00:46:10.760 doesn't call and say like hey look at these hateful comments you know i mean i guess you

00:46:15.180 could make the argument with notifications that there maybe maybe he's going to go there let's

00:46:20.120 see need to take action to prevent that in terms of protecting young people in particular i mean

00:46:25.580 it is hilarious just like the imagery of like i don't know what like a cartoon character of the

00:46:30.300 internet would look like but like the internet's knocking on your door i'm here to cause harm to

00:46:36.800 your children oh no it's the internet a reef for ronnie save us don't worry canadians i have bill

00:46:45.660 c63 the internet's not gonna harm you again yay thank you a reef totally

00:46:54.060 the internet it's gonna come eat your children ah when in reality though in reality though it 0.98

00:47:04.300 It is pedophiles. 1.00

00:47:05.300 It's sexual predators. 1.00

00:47:07.060 That is a real thing. 0.99

00:47:07.980 That is coming after your children.

00:47:10.180 And they're smart.

00:47:11.900 They're tactful.

00:47:12.760 They use the internet in a tactful way to sort of entrap and draw in children.

00:47:18.420 The problem is Bill C-63 doesn't address any of this stuff.

00:47:24.740 It doesn't address any of the kind of private conversations that people might have on different apps or whatever.

00:47:29.680 It doesn't touch any of that whatsoever.

00:47:31.780 so anytime he brings up oh sexploitation pedophiles online yeah your bill doesn't do anything to stop

00:47:39.760 this so what are you talking about why do you keep lying to people a reef why are you giving

00:47:45.040 them the impression that bill c63 is going to address this problem of pedophiles and trapping

00:47:49.860 kids online when this bill would not do anything for that the only thing it's going to do is like

00:47:54.740 hey we took down child sexploitation content well that kid already got sexploited and it already got 0.82

00:48:01.000 uploaded to the internet so it's kind of fucking late it's kind of too late to stop that from 0.52

00:48:05.260 happening isn't it so if you actually want to solve the root of the problem your bill does nothing 0.81

00:48:11.060 so it's actually very disgusting and detestable a reef that you use these examples of kids being

00:48:19.540 entrapped by pedophiles on the internet as a reason to pass bill c63 when it would not do

00:48:24.540 anything to prevent that you're using these tragic stories of kids who have been victims of these

00:48:34.040 sick monstrous pedophiles to push your legislation that wants to censor the internet you actually

00:48:40.160 have no interest in protecting children and and some lawyers have actually made the argument 0.98

00:48:46.000 that this bill might actually help insulate pedophiles and people posting child porn from

00:48:51.680 consequences it would help give them a buffer if they're getting caught it would help them like you

00:48:56.840 know burn their hard drives before they uh you know before they get found out

00:49:01.320 or maybe they're doing something shady in public and then that content gets taken down as harmful

00:49:07.980 so then the evidence incriminating a pedophile is now no longer on the internet it's harder to find

00:49:13.880 because it got taken down for harmful content evidence of a pedophile doing detestable things

00:49:19.280 or creepy things in public is now removed because it's a harmful content.

00:49:25.920 We've seen this liberal party of Canada. They approve of the pride parade. They approve of

00:49:31.020 the gender ideology taught in schools. What do you think kids are going to do after seeing that

00:49:36.060 in schools when they go home and go on the internet? What do you think they're going to

00:49:40.880 look up? These, this liberal party clearly does not give a fuck about protecting children from 0.98

00:49:46.680 sexual exploitation if they are rubber stamping and co-signing a pride parade where there's 1.00

00:49:53.900 naked men dancing around with a bugs bunny mask in front of children fuck off with this argument 1.00

00:50:01.120 that bill c63 protects kids from from sexual exploitation blow it out your ass it's total 1.00

00:50:06.880 bullshit anybody buying into this you're naive i have some snow to smell you i have some snow 1.00

00:50:12.780 to sell you this February 1.00

00:50:14.480 if you think Bill C63 is going to protect kids online.

00:50:19.000 But I'd also say to you

00:50:20.300 that it's not just about protecting my kids.

00:50:21.920 My kids are literally at that stage

00:50:23.240 where they're 10 and 13

00:50:24.120 and the 10-year-old isn't at the stage at all

00:50:26.280 with the 13-year-old's graduating

00:50:27.780 from a brutal flip phone

00:50:29.520 to he wants a smartphone.

00:50:31.740 My wife and I debated,

00:50:33.340 he's just starting grade nine

00:50:34.280 and he's got a smartphone.

00:50:35.980 He's allowed to have one app on it.

00:50:37.720 So he had to choose his app.

00:50:39.320 Apparently Snapchat is the way to go in grade nine

00:50:41.380 at his high school. But I also can't divorce the fact that he's not just a boy trying to become a

00:50:50.720 young man, but he's also a boy with a different name. He's a boy that has the same skin color as

00:50:57.300 me. He's a boy that is Muslim. And what he's going to face is different than what some other people

00:51:03.240 might face. And I raise that because it's not just my children's reality that informs how I

00:51:08.880 approach this legislation but it's canada's reality and canada's reality is unfortunately

00:51:14.320 you know just today you know i've had lots of engagements as minister of justice including

00:51:18.040 with international counterparts including at things like the g7 and it really troubles me that

00:51:24.340 canada leads the g7 in a statistic that i don't want to lead in like i want to lead in all these

00:51:29.380 great economic indicators and democratic governance indicators we lead the g7 in deaths due to

00:51:35.080 Islamophobia let deaths due to Islamophobia what is that what is that mean how do you even

00:51:44.780 how do you even quantify that deaths due to Islamophobia deaths due to racism deaths due to

00:51:54.060 homophobia like I'm telling you somebody somebody's got to expose this whole like stat

00:52:02.120 this whole stat industry this whole like study industry there's this whole system where people

00:52:07.400 make these studies to like prove things and they're it's just creating political footballs

00:52:12.940 for politicians that's all that's is am I crazy or is this is this all that these uh you know stat 0.96

00:52:18.440 study companies do is they they just craft a study to make a bunch of bullshit statistics 0.91

00:52:23.880 for politicians like a referani to kind of push around all of this all of this like all these 0.65

00:52:30.160 weird talking points since 2017 that's pretty startling right 11 people have been cut down

00:52:43.020 because of their faith in this country and that faith was this long what am i talking about i'm

00:52:48.180 talking about the quebec mosque shooter whose name i will not repeat in 2017 who killed six

00:52:52.800 individuals and i'm talking about the person who decided to take a car and drive into a family

00:52:57.920 killing for an orphaning one i mean did we ever hear the actual background of this person i mean

00:53:04.940 i'm not gonna lie that was horrific that happened this guy ran over a whole like muslim family in

00:53:10.300 london ontario but i feel like the re like the sort of reporting on that was very very scarce

00:53:16.120 in terms of what was actually going on um so yeah once again it just feels like a lot of uh

00:53:24.300 I mean in terms of the mosque shooter

00:53:26.820 obviously I disavow that

00:53:28.340 I disavow violence of all kinds

00:53:30.020 but

00:53:30.660 yeah I mean

00:53:34.580 I don't know

00:53:36.340 that one in London though I don't know

00:53:37.980 if anyone's got the link of like more of the research

00:53:40.680 on that whole incident I would love to know

00:53:42.700 right that's the

00:53:44.380 family in London

00:53:45.300 I don't want to leave that statistic and the reason I

00:53:48.480 raise that statistic is because it's informative for me

00:53:50.680 it's motivating for me

00:53:52.340 but it also leaves clear a pattern of truth it's also worth mentioning uh during the trucker convoy

00:53:59.200 in manitoba there was an antifa guy who drove a car into a crowd of protesters

00:54:04.940 like pro-freedom anti-mandate protesters one of them went to the hospital

00:54:10.600 drove a drove a drove a car into a protesting demonstration no one really talks about that

00:54:17.920 I'm sure Reef never talks about that

00:54:20.060 no one ever talks about how a car was

00:54:22.100 driven into a crowd of

00:54:23.700 convoy protesters

00:54:25.180 that is definitely a terror attack

00:54:28.080 you know it's doing violence

00:54:30.460 to advocate

00:54:31.660 for your political beliefs

00:54:33.660 so

00:54:34.460 once again it's just hard to take any of

00:54:38.200 this sob story seriously

00:54:40.100 when it's like you're clearly just using

00:54:42.100 this for a political football you're going to focus

00:54:44.160 on this violence not that violence you're going to focus

00:54:46.140 on this hate not that hate

00:54:47.400 yeah right and people like to say well verani you're just sort of espousing is that just

00:54:54.340 theoretical because i often say online radicalization leads to real world violence

00:54:59.320 in those two cases and i hope you know i always say online radicalization radicalization leads to

00:55:07.400 real world violence okay you always say that but again the type a folks in this room follow those

00:55:14.440 two cases both instances the accused persons who have now been convicted admitted on the stand

00:55:20.800 under cross-examination that they were radicalized online so it's not theoretical it costs lives

00:55:26.820 including in this country and no oof i'm not i'm not gonna lie if that that's if that's true that's

00:55:32.440 a pretty good talking point for him for his side it's a pretty good talking point if he's got that

00:55:39.540 stat if they admitted this on the stand that they were radicalized online that's a pretty it's a

00:55:43.600 pretty good talking point for him shit we're gonna have to we're gonna have to work we haven't had a 0.93

00:55:48.300 pittsburgh tree of life synagogue attack and no we haven't had an orlando lgbtq bar attack where 0.98

00:55:53.600 49 people were killed in this country uh quick question arif how many churches

00:56:00.180 how many uh how many churches got burnt down

00:56:03.560 is that in is that in your little is that included in your study or or what

00:56:09.900 jennifer francis says a 13 year old boy unalived himself during lockdown in victoria

00:56:17.520 yeah great point how about the destructive nature of lockdowns or the destructive nature

00:56:22.800 of the um you know how the unvaccinated were treated yeah it just goes on and on it just

00:56:30.480 goes on and on like this is a power grab we know this is a power grab it's all it's all a bunch of 0.99

00:56:37.120 bullshit but you know he does bring some strong 0.99

00:56:39.080 talking points to the table with this one not gonna lie 1.00

00:56:41.180 because there's a lot of bullshit 0.99

00:56:42.680 but this one this one's actually 0.99

00:56:45.000 like not as easy to just kind of like throw

00:56:47.000 aside but I'll be damned if I'm gonna stand by

00:56:49.000 and sort of watch it happen

00:56:50.180 so it's not just about protecting Muslims it's about

00:56:52.920 protecting lots of vulnerable people

00:56:55.100 oh here's another one

00:56:56.720 what about the Danforth shooting

00:56:58.840 what about the Danforth shooting when

00:57:02.340 you know the shooter

00:57:04.360 somebody who he was related to

00:57:06.760 had a huge stockpile

00:57:08.980 of carfentanil and apparently

00:57:10.960 one of them or both of them

00:57:12.780 went to a local mosque that they

00:57:14.880 say was quite radical

00:57:16.700 as well.

00:57:18.700 But of course, again, we don't care

00:57:20.700 about that. That doesn't matter

00:57:22.800 to Arif. That's not important to Arif.

00:57:24.860 That's not something that he focuses on.

00:57:26.700 That type of hate is not 0.99

00:57:28.820 something that he really gives a shit about. 0.99

00:57:31.220 So, 0.99

00:57:32.420 yeah.

00:57:35.040 This country.

00:57:36.760 The other component that I think I feel compelled to speak about is this idea that people have mentioned to me, and I'm sort of jumping around my notes here a little bit, but they've said to me that, you know, Arif, you've got a really impressive piece of legislation, and it is impressive, and it's worked on a long time.

00:57:56.800 It's not sort of my handiwork on the back of a napkin.

00:57:59.460 It's a four-and-a-half-year process.

00:58:01.500 And that piece of legislation addresses things such as content that needs to be taken down immediately.

00:58:06.940 That's child sex abuse material and revenge porn.

00:58:09.880 It addresses content where we've got to moderate the risk.

00:58:12.640 So that's incitements to violence and terrorism.

00:58:16.660 That is fomenting hatred.

00:58:18.040 That is content that would be used to bully a child and content that would be used to cause a child self-harm.

00:58:22.680 that's content that he wants taken down within 24 hours from big tech

00:58:27.760 content that bullies a child

00:58:31.080 that is just that's so broad man that's so crazy broad that's so crazy broad so any meme about fat

00:58:41.180 people any meme about making fun of virtually anything that could that could apply to a child 0.99

00:58:49.120 no don't worry we're going to define what what uh cyber bullying is it's like just fuck off like 0.98

00:58:57.300 this stuff is so broad it would be insane to have bureaucrats determine this stuff for us 0.97

00:59:01.580 people have said to me you know arif i feel like we've got this momentum behind the bill but i'm

00:59:06.840 not sure about all of the bill you know like why can't we just sort of bifurcate it a little bit

00:59:10.640 let's just deal with the kids part because that's easy like everyone wants to protect their kids

00:59:14.380 and maybe you know that hate stuff you know maybe we should just sort of pause for a second on the

00:59:19.980 hate stuff and what i say to people and then they say to me well you know this is what we this is 0.92

00:59:25.160 how we should do we should actually separate out the bill just to reiterate the whole bill sucks 0.68

00:59:31.740 there's nothing good in the bill i already covered this anything that's actually good in the bill is

00:59:35.160 totally redundant there's nothing good in the bill but anyway continue and my response to that

00:59:39.600 is as follows fundamentally when i take an oath of office as the minister of justice and attorney 0.98

00:59:46.020 general of canada just so much fucking bullshit this guy my response to this is as follows as 0.98

00:59:52.080 an attorney general of canada yeah it is to keep canadians safe and i believe in keeping all 0.99

00:59:58.080 canadians safe yeah okay except yeah okay it's the first point the second point is that

01:00:05.700 when we look at harms that people are exposed to we've looked at harms comprehensively there are

01:00:11.780 all types of different harms it is not just child sex predators of which there are many unfortunately

01:00:16.480 but there are other types of harms that people are exposed to and this bill is meant to address

01:00:20.480 all of them this bill is also meant to address what we're seeing i'm here at the campus of tmu

01:00:26.840 it would be indifferent if i was notice how he's not answering the question hey should we separate

01:00:32.380 this bill isn't some of this completely absurd and he's just like we're tracking the harms the

01:00:37.820 campus at york or at u of t or any other campus around this country we have seen sometimes because

01:00:44.720 of geopolitical events sometimes because of domestic events we've seen increasing polarization

01:00:48.600 and division right and what we've seen is that we need to ensure that in those times that dialogue

01:00:55.020 occurs but hatred does not and hatred is on the rise and the stats that i read to you

01:00:59.760 there it is there it is folks we need to make sure that dialogue occurs but hatred does not

01:01:11.140 this is just like such this is like crazy communist dialogue

01:01:17.360 i i just want to know what the actual definition of dialogue is i've never

01:01:24.540 looked it up so

01:01:25.760 it's like a quick peek

01:01:28.680 computer

01:01:29.960 define dialogue please

01:01:31.780 conversation between two or more people as a feature

01:01:34.560 of a book play or movie

01:01:36.160 take part in a conversation

01:01:38.720 or discussion to resolve a problem

01:01:40.880 okay

01:01:42.140 let's have some dialogue

01:01:44.160 let's have some dialogue

01:01:46.060 about Israel, Palestine, Arif

01:01:48.640 we want to make sure

01:01:50.620 dialogue happens but no hate happens

01:01:52.600 let's have some dialogue about israel palestine or ukraine russia and let's not have anyone hate

01:02:00.580 each other good luck this kind of just goes right to the point of why this is totally absurd you

01:02:07.360 want to have dialogue and it's funny that dialogue actually comes from the noun refers to dialogue in

01:02:13.980 a book movie or play stories and narratives thrive on conflict characters will hate things

01:02:22.860 they'll hate other people so it's like this is just a terrible it's a terrible word to use we

01:02:28.160 need to make sure dialogue happens but there's no hate here's a free lesson here's a free lesson

01:02:34.200 mr arif you should you should you should have used like debate or something that we should have 0.99

01:02:38.080 debate without hate oh fuck i just gave him a go i just gave him like a fucking bumper sticker 1.00

01:02:43.880 fuck you can't hate you can't debate without hate a reef you can't debate without some hate 1.00

01:02:52.240 but uh that's that sort of thing is just i would be so pissed if he ends up using that holy shit 1.00

01:02:58.520 all right let's continue all right let's continue but i'd also say to you did i just 0.98

01:03:07.780 give my enemy a bumper sticker fuck dude and i see you know different people with different 0.94

01:03:13.480 backgrounds like tmu looks exactly like toronto does and that's why i love this city but it also 0.99

01:03:18.000 asks you to think about tmu formerly ryerson rest in peace to egerton ryerson's legacy uh taken down

01:03:26.260 by angry uh indigenous people because they hate white canadian history pretty much those who say

01:03:35.360 just separate the bill, Arif, because let's just protect just those young people. I say to you,

01:03:40.500 okay, let's think about the young people, right? Think about my kids, think about your kids,

01:03:44.460 your nieces, your nephews, your grandchildren. But now let's think about what it looks like for

01:03:49.980 them online if it's a young girl online as opposed to a young boy. Now let's add a few

01:03:57.060 layers. Let's think about if that's a young racialized girl. So now we've got a young black 1.00

01:04:00.380 girl online now let's think about let's maybe she's of somali origin and maybe she's muslim

01:04:05.200 like me so now i've got a young black somali muslim in a hijab just bringing out the in

01:04:12.300 well what if they're like the most what if they're in a wheelchair too you should have 0.70

01:04:17.580 them in a wheelchair to a reef what if they're a young somali muslim girl in a knee cab who's 0.94

01:04:25.460 lesbian in a wheelchair and she's blind and deaf how many more do you want you come on let's go 0.89

01:04:33.860 let's let's up the ante here arif if you think all she's facing is sort of eating disorder issues

01:04:40.840 about her body image i just think you're wrong in fact i know you're wrong because i know that

01:04:47.800 the vitriol that circulates online is also circulating with young people and they are

01:04:52.100 exposed to hatred if they're exposed to material that is being fomented towards them and targeting

01:04:59.160 them this is such a wet dream for helicopter parents i'm just thinking imagine how they just

01:05:07.680 consider how absurd this this sort of goal is it's it's like hey hey i want to protect my kid

01:05:15.380 so i'm gonna put bubble wrap all over all the walls i'm gonna wrap mattresses around anything

01:05:20.260 to make sure they don't hurt themselves ever and they don't fall ever. That's essentially what he's

01:05:25.260 saying. We're going to make sure that there's no hate on the internet and your child is never

01:05:30.380 offended and they're never exposed to anything bad ever. That's what I'm going to do.

01:05:36.200 Totally unrealistic. Are you just here to take away my rights, sir? No, no, no. We're going to

01:05:40.660 make sure that your kid never trip. They never fall. They're never exposed to hatred. They're

01:05:46.040 never exposed to any disagreement or anything that might hurt their feelings. Is this even good for

01:05:50.180 child to completely insulate them from the real world to completely insulate them from anything

01:05:55.360 that's they might find harmful i mean like where is the character building part where is the part

01:06:01.040 where you interact with people who you disagree with and you to the point where you might hate

01:06:05.380 each other on a disagreement doesn't have to be on the israel palestine thing maybe you hate each

01:06:09.380 other because somebody likes the beatles and the other person doesn't somebody likes this movie

01:06:13.520 and the other person doesn't and maybe that descends into a flame war as the old school term

01:06:19.220 goes when you're like arguing with each other online but it's it's it's what he's talking about

01:06:24.780 is such a wet dream for helicopter parents who want to say like i want to protect my kid from

01:06:30.140 everything make sure that they don't trip they don't fall they don't they're not exposed to

01:06:34.280 anything harmful or hateful on the internet what what an absurd goal to have it's the internet guys

01:06:41.500 it's filled with all sorts of insanity

01:06:43.600 that's the whole point of it

01:06:45.160 but no

01:06:47.780 the government the Canadian

01:06:49.740 government is going to make

01:06:51.680 sure that you

01:06:53.340 your child

01:06:54.860 never never sees anything

01:06:57.800 weird on the internet never

01:06:59.340 it's not going to happen like

01:07:01.480 I

01:07:03.080 based on how absurd that is

01:07:05.260 I bet that

01:07:07.720 and I don't want this to happen because we're going to

01:07:09.740 save free speech we're going to stop bill c63 go to savefreespeech.ca but i bet if this bill were

01:07:15.280 to pass as is big tech would just bail i think big tech would just bail out of canada and say

01:07:21.800 it's not even worth the trouble you guys are cooked uh you're only 40 million you know we got

01:07:27.540 we got five ten times your your uh your population your your market base in other countries it's not

01:07:33.320 even worth our time it's not even worth the financial risk for if you because if you don't

01:07:36.940 No, there's a huge, there will be a huge financial risk for big tech platforms with Bill C63

01:07:43.280 if big tech doesn't obey whatever our digital commission says.

01:07:48.040 If the digital commission says, oh, this is a, you know, this is a, this is bullying

01:07:52.760 a child online.

01:07:53.800 This meme about fat people is bullying a child online.

01:07:57.100 We're the digital commissars of Canada.

01:07:59.720 Facebook, if you don't take it down, we're going to fine you millions of dollars.

01:08:03.780 We're going to fine you Facebook for millions of dollars.

01:08:06.940 There could be hundreds of applications for this happening every single day to Facebook.

01:08:13.860 They could get potentially, like, imagine getting 100 inquiries a day that you might get fined millions of dollars for.

01:08:20.660 Yeah, I think big tech will probably just leave the country.

01:08:23.300 They already did that with the news sharing with Bill C-18.

01:08:27.480 Why? 1.00

01:08:28.700 Because these legislators suck, okay? 1.00

01:08:32.200 Because this liberal party, these bureaucrats in Canada are terrible at their job. 0.99

01:08:36.940 They're terrible at writing legislation to the point where professional, massive, international, big tech companies are calling them out on their bluff.

01:08:46.340 And they're just like, this is not even tenable for us.

01:08:48.400 So we're just leaving the country because you're so bad at writing legislation.

01:08:53.940 And I feel Bill C63, based on this absurd dream that Arif Farhani says that we're going to protect your kid from anything harmful online.

01:09:01.980 And based on that, yeah, I'm thinking that they might just nuke the internet or at least nuke big tech from even existing in Canada if this were to go through.

01:09:10.280 And what I would say to you is that we all need to think about those examples because I think in my job is protecting Canadians, protecting those who are victimized online.

01:09:20.100 I'm not going to cherry pick which victims.

01:09:21.900 I'm not going to hang out to dry. 0.98

01:09:23.420 I'm not going to focus only on child sex predator victims and hanging out to dry the LGBTQ plus community, hang out to dry indigenous people, hang out to dry black Canadians, Muslim Canadians, Jewish Canadians, you name it.

01:09:34.900 My job is to try and protect to the best of my ability all Canadians.

01:09:38.360 But I also see to you and I find this very troubling is that because I thought we we learn more coming out of COVID.

01:09:44.820 Once again, the the absurdity there is crazy. 1.00

01:09:47.440 how do you protect jewish and palestinian canate uh canate canadians at the same time 0.99

01:09:54.440 uh like like how do you police the content because sorry you're going to have jewish

01:10:00.660 canadians complaining about the palestinian protesters and their posts and you're going

01:10:04.560 to have palestinian canadians complaining about the jewish canadians and their posts 1.00

01:10:07.920 how do you square that circle you can't you can't this bill's a power grab uh you're a clown 0.99

01:10:16.400 about the mental health impacts of what people are experiencing online you've seen the u.s surgeon 0.73

01:10:22.300 general issue a warning literally like think about again for those of you old enough the 1960s

01:10:27.740 there's a warning tobacco causes cancer this is bad for your health the u.s surgeon general has

01:10:32.260 issued a warning about social media and what it does to young people that's significant we know

01:10:39.020 that that is significant right but you're still not even encouraging kids to use their phone less

01:10:44.000 you're encouraging the government to babysit everybody who ever used the internet in the

01:10:47.780 country. But what I find troubling is that I don't think anyone in Canada, regardless of whether they

01:10:52.100 vote for me or hate my party's guts, I don't think anyone in Canada would countenance somebody taking

01:10:56.520 a firearm into a mosque. No one's going to defend that because it's deplorable conduct. But I find

01:11:02.040 it troubling that people will take less umbrage at the pernicious mental health impact and trauma

01:11:09.320 that young people are experiencing who face hatred what it does to their confidence levels their

01:11:14.660 self-esteem their anxiety their depression their ability to engage that's something that we need

01:11:19.040 to be thinking about once again stopping the hate online you're interested in that but not the fact

01:11:25.480 that kids are glued to their screens that part i called it at the beginning that aspect doesn't

01:11:32.380 get talked about at all uh the cell phone addiction doesn't get talked about at all it's just uh no

01:11:37.160 we want the government to police speech that's the only that's the only solution no we're not

01:11:41.380 we're not here to kill free speech in canada and give the government an insane amount of power over

01:11:46.620 speech and free expression across the country no no no no not at all no this is to protect kids

01:11:51.220 yeah i also reflect on you that when i stood at this podium and i mentioned

01:11:55.480 at least bouvet who was with me

01:11:58.180 also with me at the podium which was a first since october 7th was the national council of

01:12:06.620 canadian muslims and the center for jewish and israeli affairs why were they both there because

01:12:12.380 i haven't been hanging out too much recently to be blunt they were both there because they know

01:12:16.740 that online radicalization leads to targeting of both of their communities and leads to violence

01:12:23.380 against both of their communities that was salient for me the communities are attacking each other

01:12:30.120 though a reef you talk about that part oh the oh man we got to exploit that there's got to be an

01:12:41.160 exploitable uh video for that how do you square that circle man yeah there's got to be something

01:12:48.580 good there because it really just blows up the absurdity of trying to uh you know police speech

01:12:54.100 online hey the jewish advocacy group wants this bill because they're afraid of the muslims and

01:13:01.680 the muslim advocacy group also wants this bill because they uh because they don't like the jews

01:13:06.700 this is all going to go very well this is going to go great this isn't going to be messy at all

01:13:12.620 it's also salient that both of them are behind aspects of the bill that people want me to divide

01:13:18.720 so the people that say keep in the bits about child sex predators but let's you know that

01:13:23.560 troubling criminal code stuff let's just put that aside for now let's you know we will deal with

01:13:28.180 that another time in those criminal code provisions are things like a freestanding hate crimes offense

01:13:33.180 people have taken issue with that well why do we need that i gently point out that it exists in 47

01:13:39.540 out of 50 states south of the border i haven't seen an erosion of free speech last time i checked

01:13:44.500 in any of those 47 states south of the border but i also point out that police officers are begging

01:13:50.520 me for this what was that what was that 47 out of 50 states have a standalone hate hate uh hate

01:13:57.320 motivated law i've got a fact check that never heard that kind of provision i'm going to get a

01:14:02.800 bit into the into the into the weeds here so where's jess because i usually pick on jess well

01:14:07.100 i'll pick on keith this time no jess is easier to pick on i'll pick on jess jess is floating around 0.99

01:14:11.660 somewhere um if i throw a punch and i'm convicted of assaulting jess my female staffer i may get 30 1.00

01:14:19.380 days in a provincial facility. If it is demonstrated that I threw the punch at Jess

01:14:24.680 because I was motivated by misogyny, anti-female sentiment, my sentence could be increased because

01:14:31.280 it's an aggravating factor. That's 718.2 of the criminal code, but you deal with it on the back

01:14:36.140 end. And no, your officer. No, no, no. I punched the woman. I don't hate women. Yeah. I may have

01:14:43.560 punched her in the face, but I don't hate women. Yeah. Okay. So I punched this woman in the face. 1.00

01:14:48.640 Okay, sure. 1.00

01:14:49.760 But I don't hate women. 0.99

01:14:51.220 No, no, no, no, no. 1.00

01:14:52.100 I just hate this woman. 1.00

01:14:53.260 I swear. 1.00

01:14:54.640 Like, it's funny that he's using this as an example.

01:14:58.240 He's, like, so out of touch of how absurd this is as an example.

01:15:02.540 I kind of love it. 1.00

01:15:04.460 I don't hate women.

01:15:06.600 It was actually when I was chatting with, this is a very simple talking point,

01:15:11.020 but it was from, I think it was Randy Hillier.

01:15:13.800 He was like, you know, if you murder somebody, you know, chances are you hated them.

01:15:18.580 but now we're going to have a hate motivated offense to add to like any,

01:15:23.360 any criminal criminal charge.

01:15:26.880 Is it,

01:15:27.560 you know, 0.83

01:15:27.760 isn't it implicit that you hated them if you punched them,

01:15:29.900 but no.

01:15:31.020 But if we look at their social media and they posted something by

01:15:33.980 Satanistic,

01:15:34.740 then we're going to up the charge.

01:15:36.320 I mean this,

01:15:38.200 this honestly,

01:15:39.160 he's talking about,

01:15:40.020 Hey,

01:15:40.380 hate motivated,

01:15:41.320 hate crime charge.

01:15:42.060 He's talking about it. 1.00

01:15:42.980 Like it's a good thing.

01:15:45.240 This would be the perfect tool for tyrants.

01:15:47.880 this would be like the number one tool for tyrants you could take all of these you could

01:15:53.200 take all of these mischief charges from the protest from the trucker convoy and then you

01:15:57.540 could tack on a hate motivated charge and say you did this because you hate group x and now you're

01:16:03.600 going away for life in prison because that's the maximum sentence for this standalone hate crime

01:16:08.480 charge why do i feel like a referani is not going to mention that part uh in this presentation 0.80

01:16:15.240 because he's a swindler because he's trying to take freedom of speech away and he is a dishonest 0.69

01:16:21.940 weasel we don't know how many of these incidents are actually motivated by hate because it only 0.80

01:16:26.820 gets considered if a conviction is successful what police officers have said to me is that

01:16:31.480 there's actually a lot more violence out there where there's mischief vandalism trespass assaults

01:16:36.640 even sexual assaults or even murders that are happening that are hate motivated but we're not

01:16:41.440 laying the charge up front so we don't have an ability to track it so imagine a scenario where

01:16:46.500 you've got how about you just enforce the law when people break the law and adding this whole

01:16:53.000 hate crime thing to it like what is the utility in that thousands of such incidents they still

01:16:57.760 only result in hundreds of convictions but we know the scope of the problem that's what police

01:17:02.540 have told important context too is this guy is a lawyer do you know how much money lawyers would

01:17:10.320 make if bill c63 passes do you know how like that'll create an entire new industry of lawyer

01:17:16.600 and law practically to deal with hate crime charges if you're a lawyer that's a huge payday

01:17:22.740 that's awesome for you if you're a lawyer you probably want bill c63 to pass if you're a lawyer 0.85

01:17:28.360 oh got more clients oh i got a new swimming pool you got a new villa in italy yeah i fucking love

01:17:35.960 hate crime let's go that's something that people don't talk about is how you know the the financial 0.54

01:17:41.340 incentive that lawyers have to create more laws like this where they just constantly have clients

01:17:47.540 running around running around in and out of the courtroom having their their bill stack higher and 0.83

01:17:53.780 higher because some poor person oh i gotta fight the hate crime charge like it would be crazy boom 0.97

01:18:00.920 for uh for the law in like industry of like making money off of bullshit police had eight crimes 0.78

01:18:07.360 units in this very city are telling me that and yeah a reef is a lawyer so again another thing

01:18:12.440 that he would never talk about and that i don't like any lawyer would publicly talk about is the

01:18:16.040 sort of financial incentive the eye like the dollar signs and the eyeballs of these lawyers

01:18:20.700 when they hear about bill c63 but those groups that are targeted are also telling me that you

01:18:25.880 know what's a good part about your bill you're increasing the penalties for these types of crimes

01:18:29.340 for willful promotion of hatred,

01:18:31.580 public incitement of hatred, advocating genocide.

01:18:33.980 That's what's in the bill.

01:18:35.840 And the last response I have to people who tell me,

01:18:37.820 you know, why don't we just divide it up?

01:18:39.480 You know, it'd be just so much easier,

01:18:41.240 such low-hanging fruit just to protect the kids,

01:18:43.920 is that what I say to them is that, you know,

01:18:46.580 I've looked internationally at examples about this bill.

01:18:49.500 And Australia is one example we've looked at really closely.

01:18:52.820 And Australia moved in this area in 2015.

01:18:55.040 In 2015, nine years ago, they dealt with children.

01:18:59.340 Nine years later, Australia has gone way beyond just dealing with children.

01:19:04.240 If I'm moving for the first time as a minister of the Crown to deal with this issue, I think it's incumbent upon me to address the issue as we see it now, not as the world saw it nine years ago.

01:19:14.280 So I think that's really important.

01:19:16.820 There's a lot of components about the bill that my staff hate this because I've deviated wildly from the order that they laid things out here in my comments.

01:19:27.000 but there's people that have talked to me extensively about this bill and they said

01:19:32.640 arif it looks like this is just you manufacturing sort of your own vision of canada

01:19:37.580 this is you manufacturing your yeah they said to me quite candidly that

01:19:45.700 you know it looks like a bold face attack on freedom of expression in this country

01:19:50.360 yeah let's clip that that's a good clip that's a good clip this is just you manufacturing sort

01:19:56.220 of your own vision this is a bold face attack on freedom of speech in this country said to me

01:20:00.200 quite candidly that you know it looks like a bold face attack on freedom of expression in this

01:20:05.540 country totally real real he's right and to that i have several responses let's hear it let's hear

01:20:11.340 the first is that freedom of expression is fundamental in a democracy and i say that as

01:20:16.040 somebody who had a very tender age but nevertheless my family fled an authoritarian regime in east

01:20:21.420 Africa, the regime of Idi Amin. So if you want a family that venerates Canada and everything

01:20:25.940 it represents, it's probably my family. If you want somebody who's going to defend freedom

01:20:30.860 of expression under section 2b of the charter, it's probably me as minister of justice, not

01:20:35.300 only because I practice constitutional law, but because my oath as a cabinet minister

01:20:39.360 is different from every one of my colleagues. We all pledge allegiance to the king.

01:20:44.660 I'm so tired of this disingenuous. I love free speech is so important. Hey guys, let

01:20:51.280 mean I said free speech I said I care about it okay that's why we're passing hate speech laws

01:20:57.100 okay but I talked about I talked about loving free speech it's just I'm so tired of how

01:21:02.280 disingenuous this stuff is I'll pledge to keep cabinet confidence I pledge to uphold the

01:21:06.620 constitution and I take that very very seriously but the most important thing I will say to you

01:21:11.300 about freedom of expression is that hate speech is not constitutionally protected speech okay

01:21:19.300 says you what do you mean like says you what is hate speech like this is when i first started

01:21:29.220 researching this bill like no one defines hate like hate just like does not get defined um

01:21:34.380 the only the only thing yeah and it's like it's ridiculous i'm just gonna repeat that

01:21:40.740 in this country hate speech is not constitutionally protected speech he's casting a spell

01:21:46.880 That begs the question that if we don't protect it in the physical space, me here on the campus at TMU, why would we protect it online?

01:21:56.100 Okay.

01:21:57.220 It begs the question about, okay, well, then, Verani, what's the definition of hatred?

01:22:01.820 Like, did you just concoct this on the back of a napkin in some bar in Ottawa?

01:22:05.500 The answer is no, I did not.

01:22:07.800 It was actually in one of the offices in Ottawa.

01:22:11.360 Because we thought about this.

01:22:12.780 We thought about the kind of criticism we would face.

01:22:14.920 We thought, you know what would be the safest thing?

01:22:16.880 We're going to codify a definition that already exists.

01:22:19.800 Whose definition?

01:22:21.020 The Supreme Court of Canada.

01:22:22.160 The Supreme Court of Canada's definition.

01:22:24.100 Yeah, it's not a good definition, though.

01:22:26.460 It's not a good...

01:22:27.820 Intensely disliking is what hatred means.

01:22:33.500 This is such a terrible defense, though.

01:22:35.900 I was expecting a better response than this.

01:22:37.920 This is terrible.

01:22:38.620 It's from two cases, Keekstra and Watcott.

01:22:41.760 Watcott is a 2013 decision in the Supreme Court.

01:22:44.160 I encourage you to look it up.

01:22:45.460 the definitions around paragraphs 42 to 47. Read those five paragraphs. What does it say? It says

01:22:52.880 hatred is detestation and vilification. Hatred is not insulting comments, offensive comments,

01:23:01.380 expressions of disdain or dislike. Okay, why do I point that out? People love to ask me, you know,

01:23:07.400 you've done a lot of stuff in your career. How does it help inform you in terms of what you're

01:23:10.500 doing now? I say it helps inform me all the time. It helped that I practice constitutional law in

01:23:14.440 the city it helped that i was a u.n war crimes prosecutor on the rwandan genocide you know how 1.00

01:23:19.460 tutsis were described in rwanda in 1994 as cockroaches that should be stamped out that's

01:23:26.120 called detestation and vilification when you dehumanize another well sorry sorry so any version

01:23:32.620 of dehumanizing is detestation and you know it's like it it's so annoying it's so disingenuous the

01:23:38.880 way in which he's like these words are so important and then he's just kind of lumping

01:23:42.940 them all together with the very first example what that definition does is it sets a high bar

01:23:47.860 it's not going to affect accent no it doesn't it really does not it really does not set a high bar

01:23:54.520 and that's the whole problem on toronto on october 17th it's not going to affect colorful jokes at a

01:24:00.300 yucky yucky comedy cabaret it's not even going to affect people who have legitimate criticism

01:24:05.040 a better immigration policy see i'm he says this now but you know it's it's like a trust me bro

01:24:13.160 this is like a trust me bro this moment is like a trust trust me bro trust me bro you won't get

01:24:19.700 in trouble for that let's just pass the law okay trust me bro you'll be fine all this will be fine

01:24:26.420 no hey just just trust me bro i know the legislation is totally broad and open to

01:24:32.000 interpretation but just trust me bro you'll be fine including which country people are coming

01:24:36.860 in from people express to me all the time as recently as two weeks ago in my riding on

01:24:41.580 somebody's porch you have too many people coming in from this particular country that is legitimate

01:24:46.620 debate in canadian society that is protected speech but what it is going to draw differentiation

01:24:52.340 from is between a casual racial slur what i call awful but lawful language and somebody who calls

01:24:58.200 for the extermination of a people that's detestation and vilification

01:25:02.120 once once again he's he's kind of muddying the waters he's conflating two things now he's saying 0.90

01:25:10.400 that he said uh you know calling people cockroaches that's the that's detestation that's 0.92

01:25:17.020 vilification well it's also dehumanization so the way he's calling people cockroaches

01:25:21.080 detestation vilification dehumanization are all three personally i think it's just dehumanization

01:25:28.300 does that also imply is dehumanization is that also part of what's hatred is that also one of

01:25:34.940 the thing is d is dehumanization always detestation is it always vilification and

01:25:40.700 also calling for the death of a group of people is that detestation or is that vilification or

01:25:46.620 Or is that something else entirely where it's, you know, inciting violence, which is something that's already illegal, if I'm not mistaken.

01:25:53.320 And really annoying that this is guys.

01:25:56.360 This is supposed to be the top expert on this bill.

01:25:58.940 And he's not caring to actually differentiate any of these things. 0.99

01:26:02.460 He's just giving us the bullshit. 0.99

01:26:04.800 Cole's notes of like, hey, don't worry, bro. 1.00

01:26:06.720 Trust me.

01:26:07.100 Hey, hey, trust me, bro.

01:26:08.700 Hey, we thought about this a lot.

01:26:09.920 All right.

01:26:10.160 It's a really high bar.

01:26:11.740 Hey, you wouldn't you wouldn't call someone a cockroach, would you? 1.00

01:26:15.600 you you wouldn't call for the death of people would you yeah let's just pass this fucking 0.99

01:26:19.100 bow through already shut up for those who say to me oh my god verani you're going to open the 0.99

01:26:23.240 floodgates every casual comment about colin kaepernick taking in during the american national 0.78

01:26:27.980 anthem in a football game it's going to throw me in jail i call bs on that to be blunt because if

01:26:33.520 you think hatred prosecutions because it's the same standard we have the same laws if you think

01:26:39.220 they're easy to apply right now you're wrong they're sparing partly because most hatred

01:26:45.580 prosecutions require the consent of an attorney general that remains on the books because of the

01:26:50.820 careful civil liberties that are at stake what i also say is look closely at what we're doing but

01:26:55.360 also what we're not doing because again we looked around the planet six countries trust me bro trust

01:27:01.420 me bro don't worry we won't abuse this bro won't be abused bro it's funny how he's like yeah and 0.95

01:27:06.200 someone said they're worried about a Colin Kaepernick tweak I call bullshit what do you 1.00

01:27:12.600 mean you call bullshit like you're the one making the law bro uh you shouldn't have to call bullshit 0.99

01:27:20.260 you should have you should calmly be saying that is simply incorrect you know what I mean I call 0.99

01:27:25.580 bullshit he's like very antagonistic against his critics they've moved in this area already 0.94

01:27:29.520 australia it's giving me ireland france it's giving insecure it's giving tyrant it's giving 1.00

01:27:36.380 um that he didn't write the script today so uh the uk in the uk they decided to wade into private

01:27:46.000 communications our bill does not our bill does not talk about individually hosted websites that

01:27:50.900 don't host user generated content right in france they went too far on freedom expression their bill

01:27:56.260 was struck down this calibrates in an important manner the other thing what he's missing of

01:28:01.420 course is that the online harms bill in the uk i forget what it's called it's very similar

01:28:06.460 name to ours ours is online harms act theirs is like online harms bill um yeah there are people

01:28:13.780 who are being thrown in jail for criticizing immigration or reef so that is happening with

01:28:19.340 the with the bill that you've modeled after in the uk so you're lying you're lying to people

01:28:26.620 you're not telling people that in the uk the online harms bill that they passed is throwing

01:28:32.460 people in jail for simply attending a protest for simply voicing a particular political opinion

01:28:38.200 and these people are getting persecuted and thrown in jail under this so-called online harms

01:28:42.540 legislation that you want to pass but you're telling people with you're telling people

01:28:47.780 fully throated saying that's not going to happen here it's happening in the uk with a piece of 1.00

01:28:53.880 legislation that you're modeling yours after why do you why does why are you so full of shit like 0.99

01:28:59.780 why is it so easy for you to lie about this and like if i'm wrong if you're not lying then maybe 0.97

01:29:05.980 you should clarify why that's different because as far as i can tell you have not it's really

01:29:12.060 important to understand you can tell i'm a bit sort of engaged on this because i've been dealing

01:29:15.580 it for a few months now is that we've got the law we've got the definition who's going to apply that

01:29:22.700 definition great question very great question who's going to apply the definition so let's go

01:29:27.900 back to jess i don't even know where she went but she's around here somewhere if jess feels that

01:29:31.900 something is offside i just want to record i want to rewind that a bit because like like i said it's

01:29:37.820 giving insecure it's giving like totally full of just like look at this body language

01:29:42.380 when he says all this who's gonna apply that definition i'll tell i'll tell you who yeah yeah

01:29:47.300 no we can we got it we got it we know the other thing that's really important to understand you

01:29:52.320 can tell i'm a bit sort of engaged on this because i've been dealing with it for a few months now

01:29:55.880 hey canada rv with the ten dollars thank you for the super chat sir would you be able to display

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01:30:20.200 do you got going on over there you got rvs or what thank you for the donation i appreciate it

01:30:25.700 we're gonna get through here to keep going is that we've got the law we've got the definition

01:30:33.720 who's going to apply that definition? Great question. Very great question. Who's going to

01:30:39.540 apply the definition? So let's go back to Jess. I don't even know where she went, but she's around

01:30:43.300 here somewhere. If Jess feels that something is offside the definition of hatred, Jess puts up

01:30:48.440 her hand. The next step is for Metta. So Metta is going to say, well, here's the definition of

01:30:53.500 hatred. Do we agree with Jess or not? Metta can then decide to moderate Jess's exposure to that

01:30:58.960 material. Meta is not taking it down. Very important point, right? I told you what's coming

01:31:03.640 down. Child sex abuse material, revenge porn comes down 24 hours, all this other stuff. We've got to 0.94

01:31:08.500 reduce Jess's exposure to it, but we're not taking it out of the public domain. If you still think

01:31:14.340 Meta's decision maybe wasn't robust enough or is too robust, too aggressive, who deals with it? The

01:31:19.320 Digital Safety Commission. They come in and they say to Meta, well, we don't think you've got the

01:31:23.080 balance right here. If you still feel aggrieved that no, no, that wasn't hatred, that Jess is

01:31:28.040 wrong meta's wrong the digital safety commission's wrong you go to court you know what's important

01:31:32.620 about all four of those actors chess meta the digital safety commission and the court none of

01:31:38.020 them are named a reefer any or justin trudeau oh what what but they're your best friends what are

01:31:46.680 you talking about what kind of argument is this it's it's fellow bureaucrats right next to you

01:31:53.720 who you probably pick and choose to put on the Digital Safety Commission.

01:31:58.040 What are you talking about?

01:31:59.660 This talking point is so bad, Arif.

01:32:02.220 What the?

01:32:03.980 Am I dreaming?

01:32:06.580 That is just so...

01:32:08.400 You know the best thing about the Digital Safety Commission?

01:32:10.880 They're not me and Justin Trudeau.

01:32:13.060 Yeah, but they're going to be people that you pick

01:32:14.980 to be on the Digital Safety Commission.

01:32:17.640 Like, what the terrible argument?

01:32:21.620 Oh, my God, that's bad.

01:32:23.720 this is not something where we as political officials weighed in on what's going to be in

01:32:28.960 the public domain or not this is where other actors the four that i listed we are not public

01:32:34.860 officials waiting into what is in the public domain or not that the whole that's the whole

01:32:38.820 point of you making this bill is you saying i need to protect you know that that was the whole

01:32:43.580 introduction of this presentation arif of you saying i am going to determine what's good and

01:32:49.380 what's not good on the canadian internet and i'm going to decide and i'm going to make this happen

01:32:54.560 with bill c63 that's the whole premise of you is to wade into the public domain of what is allowed

01:33:01.880 and what is not allowed apply a definition that's entrenched in the statute that's really really

01:33:07.080 fundamental for people to understand looks like ai i'm not ai other thing that has come up a great

01:33:15.600 deal about this legislation in terms of sort of people criticizing this stuff but well we like the

01:33:20.180 points that deal with children and how we prosecute children because we're beefing that up as well

01:33:27.240 where we can prosecute children of the data the metas of the world have to transfer that data

01:33:32.040 to an rcmp uh child exploitation center they're clearly scoped into the bill etc that sounds super

01:33:39.480 creepy hey was your child sexually exploited just send all the photos to the rcmp okay i think i

01:33:46.180 think we're trying to understand what this is really about here but when people say to me that 0.97

01:33:49.780 you know okay you've explained to me a bit about the criminal code stuff but you've got this human

01:33:54.080 rights act aspect i'm not sure about this human rights act stuff like why should people be able

01:33:59.080 to raise their hand and say this is hate speech that's i love always going over all of like

01:34:04.220 people's concerns with the bill and it's like hey what about all this hate speech stuff it's like no

01:34:08.500 no no it's fine and now he's like yeah what about all this human rights stuff and he's like no no 0.76

01:34:12.040 it's fine like there's so many excuses that he has to give to try and rationalize this trash

01:34:17.240 piece of legislation it's very funny keep dancing keep singing and dancing buddy keep dancing for 0.90

01:34:22.940 us monkey boy discriminatory and complain about it in front of the human rights commission

01:34:27.180 and you know didn't we remove that as a parliament in 2013 you're right the previous government did

01:34:33.060 removed that under Stephen Harper. Yeah, we did. That removal deprived people of a root and a

01:34:39.740 recourse vis-a-vis the individual author of the material. So understand that when we talk about

01:34:44.940 the Digital Safety Commission, that layout that I just gave you, that was all vis-a-vis meta and

01:34:50.140 what it's exposing me to or not online. But here you would have Jess feeling aggrieved by an

01:34:56.500 individual, Arif Arani, and what recourse would she have against me personally? People said,

01:35:00.780 well, you're going to flood. It's going to be all full of BS complaints and bad faith

01:35:04.780 complaints. It's going to just inundate the commission and oh my God, the sky will fall.

01:35:08.900 Actually, we know this based on what happened when section 13 of the

01:35:12.880 Human Rights Code was already in effect. And it wasn't necessarily a flood.

01:35:16.700 It would be a flood now because a lot's changed since then. Everyone's sensitive to microaggressions

01:35:21.020 now, Arif. I'm sure you can appreciate that because you opened up your entire

01:35:24.760 presentation about how sensitive you are to the color of your skin and all this type of stuff.

01:35:28.940 um and you want and you want to what was it you want to protect people from

01:35:34.020 def uh defend people from safety but um no we know that the the most of the complaints from

01:35:42.560 section 13 were like someone abusing the piece of legislation i can't believe he's trying to

01:35:47.560 defend this this is so funny this is really good actually we'll probably clip this into something

01:35:54.220 people said well you're going to flood it's going to be all full of bs complaints and bad

01:35:59.580 faith complaints and it's going to just inundate the commission and oh my god the sky will fall

01:36:03.840 yeah we thought about that because we heard about it so there's four ways specifically how we

01:36:08.680 address that oh the first is that we define hatred the same definition i told you applies across the

01:36:14.140 act so a reef so it's not yeah again very broad definition you say that it's a high bar it's

01:36:20.360 really not casual comments do not arise to detestation or vilification unless i'm doing

01:36:26.520 things like calling for the extermination of a people secondly again he's muddying the waters

01:36:31.360 he's muddying the waters extermination like calling for the extermination of people is already

01:36:36.440 something that's illegal it's called incitement in the states whatever it's called here that's

01:36:41.560 already something that is in considered criminal speech calling for the the death of people

01:36:45.160 and he's saying no no detestation and vilification that's only calling for the death of people

01:36:50.020 no it's not again you're supposed to be the expert on this bill and you're just muddying 0.99

01:36:55.000 together all of these words to justify your bullshit it's very very detestable a reef come 0.98

01:37:00.700 on it's very dishonest we said to the human rights commission that if somebody's going to raise a 0.97

01:37:05.340 complaint under this new section 13 provision that you have the ability to summarily dismiss it so

01:37:10.920 for the budding lawyers in the room a summary dismissal mechanism is sort of a prima facie

01:37:15.060 the case has not been made out they just dismiss it out of hand no hearing nothing just gone

01:37:19.660 third they've always had the ability to weed out frivolous or vexatious complaints and fourth

01:37:25.640 rarely in an administrative context if somebody has used the process and is deemed to have abused

01:37:31.620 the process of the Canadian Human Rights Commission costs can be ordered against them

01:37:35.500 so it takes time and money to deal with some of these things in the Canadian Human Rights Commission

01:37:39.060 so you can have a punitive order of costs so if Jess felt aggrieved and I abused the

01:37:43.940 the provision she gets costs ordered against me and I pay for her legal costs

01:37:48.380 Like it's, I'm just thinking about, oh man, like we already have so much useless bureaucracy in this country and more and more of it is, is catering to like DEI stuff, diversity, equity, inclusion.

01:38:01.920 And, and this would really be like the Holy grail bringing in more human rights court stuff, all this taxpayer money spent on a bunch of complaints from people.

01:38:14.700 Oh, my God, dude.

01:38:17.160 Like, what a nightmare this country would become if this passes.

01:38:20.600 These are significant, and these help calibrate the impact of that measure,

01:38:24.180 which I think is really, really important. 0.98

01:38:29.480 Okay, what's your last bullshit? 0.98

01:38:30.680 The key piece, I think, about the legislation is that what we're trying to do 0.99

01:38:35.820 is ensure online safety for all Canadians.

01:38:39.660 And we're trying to meet them where they are with respect to the threats

01:38:42.600 that they're facing.

01:38:43.240 children adolescents adults i think that's really really critical what we're trying to do is ensure

01:38:50.980 that we are not leaving any particular group behind

01:38:53.840 really talk about the burning churches bro talk about the convoy protesters who had a car driven

01:39:05.000 into them they got vilified by the prime minister they're not going to talk about that we don't want

01:39:10.280 to leave uh anyone out trying to ensure that people can engage online fundamentally and engage

01:39:17.120 in a safe manner it's like totally the opposite of no you want to silence and censor people and

01:39:24.240 take away content that you you deem harmful what i'd say to you is that i hope you're interested

01:39:29.820 in this bill no doubt you are because you're here at this kind of forum and what i would say to you

01:39:34.520 is that i also need you to be reflective of canada's reality is that this isn't cookie cutter

01:39:39.080 legislation this is legislation that involves a lot of factors and people have voices and concerns

01:39:44.580 that they want to raise and what i want is for those voices and concerns to be raised most

01:39:49.240 specifically if you have ideas about how to improve the bill strengthen it how to attenuate it or make

01:39:55.240 it more detailed and precise those are exactly what i want to hear both now but also when this

01:40:00.200 bill gets to committee because at the justice committee is exactly where through parliamentary

01:40:04.640 process we're meant to be hearing about how to improve the bill uh i got a great solution for

01:40:10.400 the bill i got a really good thing for the bill actually i got a this will actually be great i

01:40:17.840 think i have the perfect solution for the bill um check this out i think this is probably

01:40:28.400 something like this what do you guys think i think that's pretty good for the bill

01:40:31.760 i think this would be great for the bill maybe this one i think this this would be good for

01:40:42.680 this is what we can do with bill c63 right here that one actually that's i think this is some

01:40:48.380 good this is this is my suggestion uh arif i think this would be probably best for for bill c63

01:40:54.660 this right here this this image of a trash can because it should be thrown in the trash let us

01:41:03.320 know if you want to do anything to fix it just throw it out guys just throw it out there's 0.53

01:41:07.120 nothing good in there it's a shameless power grab from a flailing liberal government it's 0.95

01:41:14.740 quite pathetic to watch actually but um i mean with any luck uh reef will kind of lose his

01:41:20.020 credibility as this bill kind of crashes and burns but if you want to ensure that happens

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01:41:48.960 We've got a couple more minutes here, and then I'm going to wrap it up real quick.

01:41:54.360 where are we

01:42:01.720 where'd it go

01:42:09.720 there we go

01:42:15.220 what I'd say to you is that it's really critical that it gets to committee

01:42:19.660 and here is where I'm just going to issue a plain call to action

01:42:23.060 that we are in a minority parliament right i was just talking to some americans and they can't

01:42:28.500 fathom how there'd be like four and a half parties and how does that work etc what do you mean you

01:42:32.620 could have a snap election etc etc so i walked them through all of that but in a minority parliament

01:42:37.380 we need what we call a dance partner right we need another party to support us getting this

01:42:42.420 committee and getting this through the house of commons what i'd say to you quite candidly is

01:42:46.360 please engage with parliamentarians you can engage with liberals as much as you want

01:42:50.680 but what I would really encourage you to do

01:42:53.160 is engage with the NDP

01:42:54.800 and also engage with the Bloc Québécois

01:42:56.900 so if that means dusting off your LaRousse

01:42:59.060 and your Bécharel, if you don't know what I'm talking

01:43:01.140 about, going on to Google Translate so you can

01:43:03.160 translate a letter in English

01:43:04.820 into French, please

01:43:07.240 reach out to different parliamentarians

01:43:09.140 because it is the Bloc and the NDP

01:43:11.120 that can help us expedite this bill and its

01:43:13.220 passage to the House of Commons but

01:43:15.000 it will not happen without Canadians

01:43:16.940 standing up and speaking out for what they believe

01:43:19.140 is necessary all right we believe that in the importance of ensuring that canadians and all

01:43:26.440 canadians children adolescents and adults are protected from what they're facing online and

01:43:33.220 empowered to participate online so i will leave it there and i'll be very happy to entertain your 0.92

01:43:38.240 questions wow what so much i feel like i need to shower after all that bullshit jeez louise anyway

01:43:46.020 guys thank you so much for watching 0.94

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Greg Wycliffe - November 22, 2024

Reacting to Arif Virani Answer Questions about Bill C-63

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