Greg Wycliffe - 🟠Residential School Denial vs. FREE SPEECH🟠Twitter SPACE🟠SaveFreeSpeech.ca🟠#StopBillC63

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00:00:46.520 all right how's it going hello hello oh we got harrison here great

00:00:54.660 yeah so today we are going to be talking about free speech and of course this rising trend or

00:01:00.680 this rising new commodity of residential school denialism i see harrison faulkner of true north

00:01:08.080 news is here with us um and you recently had your um because i know jim that we want to get

00:01:16.320 to your story of being a teacher who uh was fired back in 2021 but if you don't mind uh jim would

00:01:23.020 be all right if we got mr harrison to speak first because he uh he can't stay for that long

00:01:29.340 is that okay with you jim

00:01:33.820 all right let's get let's get um mr harrison faulkner up here but yeah i mean i um i wanted

00:01:39.500 to kind of collect everybody who has been uh how do we say this have been uh canceled or censored

00:01:46.220 or hated upon for questioning history,

00:01:50.900 for questioning the official narrative

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00:01:56.300 as sort of formulated by the media institutions

00:02:00.640 and political ruling class.

00:02:05.800 And Harry, maybe you could kind of fill in the blanks,

00:02:09.460 but I'll give a quick sort of summary

00:02:10.760 of what I understand of the situation,

00:02:13.940 which is you were talking talking to certain indigenous people who had an interpretation of history which actually dared to give some sympathy to the residential schools in question or possibly just shedding some some doubt on the sort of oversimplified version that it's all about genocide and and and killing native kids from the past.

00:02:39.480 um did you want to kind of fill in the blanks for us harrison because i know that there was

00:02:45.820 kind of like a cancel campaign as well with um with uh journalists probably reporting this

00:02:53.700 particular podcast on spotify and then getting you uh getting the actual spotify episode

00:02:59.860 podcast taken down um for for questioning history yeah that's right um so basically

00:03:08.660 we just we had an interview with a man named Rodney Clifton and Rodney Clifton lived at and

00:03:16.840 worked for a residential school two residential schools actually he met his wife who was a student

00:03:23.340 at the residential school he worked at um one of them in Alberta and one of them in the

00:03:29.200 Northwest Territories and he had he's a professor he works at the University of Manitoba this is not

00:03:37.320 somebody who is um talking without an understanding of the situation not somebody who doesn't have

00:03:44.980 a background to talk about these issues he has written extensively about indigenous issues and

00:03:51.020 of course he has a deep personal and family connection to the residential school system

00:03:55.400 you can maybe even say he was an expert on right exactly exactly he was the he was an expert but

00:04:01.700 Greg, he was the wrong type of expert, which I'm guessing will be what is discussed on this

00:04:07.420 space tonight. But what happened was I wanted to have a conversation with him about the good

00:04:14.500 things that happened at these schools because not everything that happened at these schools

00:04:18.900 was bad. There was a lot that was bad. There was more bad than there was good. And my belief is

00:04:25.800 that the residential school system as a policy, as it was a failed policy, because the conditions

00:04:32.020 of Indigenous Canadians today, that they live in today, the majority of them, are not positive,

00:04:38.960 it's bad. And so clearly, if the idea behind the residential school system was to integrate them 1.00

00:04:44.220 and to give them, you know, was to put them on in a stronger economic position, that was a failure.

00:04:51.240 Now, regardless of that, and regardless, besides all of what we know of all the bad things that

00:04:55.580 happened at these schools, all the abuses that happened. Many people who went to these schools,

00:04:59.980 including my guest's wife, look at that time very fondly and have good things to say about

00:05:06.760 those schools. And you can find endless examples of people talking about all the bad that happened,

00:05:12.360 but you can't really find much at all about people talking about the good things that

00:05:17.280 happened at these schools. So that was the objective of the interview. And my guest made

00:05:22.040 very clear that he believes some good things happened and some bad things happened this was

00:05:27.320 not just this was not you know a denialist perspective it was simply a a discussion on

00:05:34.440 on the history of what happened um ultimately what happened was that nobody took any issue with it

00:05:39.640 it didn't even get that many views it didn't get that much attention for the for the first two and

00:05:44.280 a half weeks that it was released ultimately um it caught the attention of the anti-hate i'm not

00:05:52.680 gonna i'm not gonna say the anti-hate network but the the journalists that surround the anti-hate

00:05:58.040 movement in canada it caught their attention and through some activism and some uh some emails to

00:06:05.320 spotify spotify ended up pulling the podcast from the plot from the platform citing hate speech

00:06:13.560 citing uh not even just hate speech but even worse really citing that this was that this

00:06:19.000 was um you know violent rhetoric and so we just basically uh use it as an opportunity to

00:06:27.560 further the you know further the reach of the conversation youtube hasn't pulled it because it

00:06:31.400 isn't hate speech even youtube of all places hasn't pulled it it's still up on x it's still

00:06:37.480 up on youtube it's still up on other places spotify pulled it down because activists took an issue

00:06:42.120 with it and they tried to silence this conversation from being had so um that's where that's really

00:06:48.760 what happened and it's a remarkable story and it's really um i think it speaks to this this

00:06:55.560 attack on free speech that we are all living through right now which is only going to get

00:06:58.840 worse with bill c63 well hopefully that's not going to pass that bill because it would really

00:07:05.000 really truly be a nightmare that's why i started say freespeech.ca i really appreciate you uh

00:07:11.240 Checking out our website and featuring it on in your video on Bill C-63 as well.

00:07:17.880 You know, have we seen sort of resistance to this, like mainstream resistance of like, hey, this this this person has been this podcast has been censored and taken down for simply the wrong interpretation of history?

00:07:31.400 uh have we seen any conservative figures with a platform uh conservative politicians of any stripe

00:07:38.140 uh speaking up for you or kind of calling out this uh this this flagrant censorship in the name of

00:07:44.420 stopping hate no um and i think that shouldn't be surprising to anybody because

00:07:50.940 because it was the entire house of commons if you were if you will recall that uh in my opinion

00:07:58.200 shamelessly voted alongside Leah Gazan's motion back in 2021, condemning the country for committing

00:08:06.520 genocide. Really, something you do in the House of Commons that you can't come back from.

00:08:12.160 Once you make that statement, once you've decided to stay silent on a motion like that and allow it

00:08:18.220 to unanimously pass, that says a lot. And this is an issue that nobody wants to fight. I've been

00:08:24.620 surprised really about the direction and the approach that many establishment conservative

00:08:32.280 figures have decided to take on this issue. To highlight, well, frankly, let's just reframe this.

00:08:39.660 To say that the residential school system was not a genocide and to combat claims that it is,

00:08:45.700 that it was a genocide and to stand up for Canadian history and stand up for the truth

00:08:49.360 is not denying the residential school system and it's not a bad thing to do it is a good thing to

00:08:55.860 do because standing up for the truth is is what you have to do uh if if we just if we just wish

00:09:03.920 that this issue would go away quietly um and we just hope that once we allow you know we're not

00:09:10.140 going to fight this issue we're going to allow the far left in canada to accuse everybody of

00:09:16.520 committing genocide, accuse the country of being illegitimate and being founded on racism,

00:09:21.340 they'll eventually stop and we'll all just be able to move on with our lives. They won't stop.

00:09:25.640 They won't stop unless an effort is put up and a defense is put up of Canadian history. Because

00:09:31.340 this residential school system now, but they'll keep going for different issues. They'll keep 1.00

00:09:35.460 going after different historical figures and different historical events and keep twisting

00:09:41.060 the narrative so people don't want to fight this who are in the mainstream if you could call them

00:09:47.940 that i think that's a big mistake but i will also say just give it time look at where we're at now

00:09:53.740 with immigration this was this was the issue with immigration for a long time establishment

00:09:59.160 conservatives didn't want to fight about it but with enough pressure eventually people do start

00:10:05.880 speaking up and i think greg with the pressure that you're putting on with the bill c63 it'll

00:10:10.580 get more attention it's it's required um and i think that with this issue if there is enough

00:10:17.180 pressure and it is smart pressure it's not out and out denying something that we know to be true

00:10:23.960 but it is saying that this was not a genocide and it was saying that you can't go around and

00:10:30.720 claim that mass graves were found in residential schools which are not which is not true obviously

00:10:35.860 if enough people start defending history and defending the truth then mainstream conservatives

00:10:42.320 might eventually start speaking up yeah yeah and it really does feel sort of patently absurd

00:10:49.360 the direction that things are going right now where it's almost like all citizens of the country

00:10:54.660 are under some sort of tests like they're students like it's a history test and it's like if you get

00:10:59.560 that all if you got the fact wrong oh you're in trouble and it's like that uh i'm sorry like can

00:11:04.080 are we allowed to be let's say just for sake of argument let's say we got it wrong is that so bad

00:11:08.840 just to just to get the facts wrong on history like we all need to be super up to snuff with

00:11:14.060 with our Canadian history and it's funny because you know I don't know how thorough the sort of

00:11:18.140 you know citizen test is right now for for newcomers or immigrants but it's funny that

00:11:24.980 even if you've lived here your whole life if you get this question wrong on the history of

00:11:30.860 residential schools then you will be condemned for it but i do want to go back to something

00:11:34.480 because you know i'm constantly doing research i've been tumbling down this rabbit hole of

00:11:39.460 canadian politics for i mean it's only been five years but it's felt like at least a decade here

00:11:43.960 but you you mentioned and i must have missed this you said that they passed a motion in parliament

00:11:50.600 for basically everyone to agree that yes it was it was genocidal and i solemnly swear as a

00:11:57.120 conservative MP that it was genocide and were genocide. Could you, could you kind of revisit

00:12:01.920 what, what that motion specifically was? Cause I find that very, uh, very interesting. Cause you

00:12:06.140 basically said this, this is why a conservative politician will not go back on this, this sort

00:12:11.260 of, uh, pledge they made to this version of history. Am I getting this right? Absolutely.

00:12:16.820 This is extremely important. And I think that, you know, I, I look at this decision the same

00:12:22.080 way I look at, and this is all, this all happened under Aaron O'Toole's leadership of the party, 0.51

00:12:27.820 but I look at this the same way I believe it's called Bill C-4, that, that, that trans, that

00:12:32.940 trans bill where the conservatives voted for it. And once you make that statement, you really have

00:12:38.540 a lot to answer for. This motion was a unanimous motion that Leah Gazan, the woman who is now

00:12:47.020 pushing the residential school denial bill. She proposed a unanimous consent motion declaring

00:12:55.000 the residential school system to be genocide. And not a single member of parliament in the

00:13:02.760 House of Commons spoke out against the motion and opposed the motion, meaning it passed

00:13:08.180 unanimously. And it's basically the government condemning itself for genocide. And the reality

00:13:16.600 is here, I'm not a historian. I'm not a trained historian. But historians completely oppose this

00:13:25.880 idea that the residential school system was genocide. And they back it up with significant 1.00

00:13:29.820 amounts of evidence and very strong arguments. They do not believe the residential school system

00:13:36.740 was genocide. I agree with the historians. It was not genocide. But not a single member of parliament,

00:13:42.680 no conservative, no Bloc Québécois member, clearly no liberal or NDP member either,

00:13:49.200 opposed this NDP motion declaring the residential school system genocide. And that is why you will

00:13:55.560 see Jagmeet Singh, for example, very casually throw around the word genocide whenever it comes

00:14:01.480 to the residential school system. Not even Justin Trudeau will do that in his social media posts.

00:14:07.820 Jagmeet Singh does it because that is the direction that the NDP have decided to take.

00:14:11.520 the most radical position on this and is is the is the sort of phrasing and verbiage of this motion

00:14:20.420 that simple residential schools were genocide period surely there's like more something more

00:14:27.900 specific than that like it's just residential school equals genocide that was it

00:14:32.460 do you know uh yes absolutely you can search it up and i'm going to try to find you the article

00:14:41.000 um uh and yes that's exactly what it was okay residential school right uh genocide motion

00:14:49.120 from 2021 mps back motion calling on government to recognize the residential school program as

00:14:55.260 genocide from the cbc right and while we have while we have you here again i'm always trying

00:15:00.240 to do more research and understanding how this system this amazing system here in canada works

00:15:05.620 emotion is not a bill it's not legislation but does what does it really mean like is there sort

00:15:14.280 of legal ramifications for it or it's just sort of like an official footnote that's made in our

00:15:19.680 parliament like you know what i'm asking like like what is the what is the real significance

00:15:23.780 of uh of emotion and and how can it be used i guess um in the future if not just for some sort

00:15:31.620 of like piece of paper with a talking point of like, we agreed on this. Well, it's, it is,

00:15:36.900 it is symbolic, but it's also extremely important because Leah Gazan, the woman who proposed that

00:15:43.040 motion back in, I'm sorry, it was October of 2022, not 2021. Leah Gazan went on, I believe it was

00:15:50.680 CTV last weekend after she had proposed the legislation to criminalize residential school

00:15:58.420 denialism. And she brought up her successful motion from 2022, saying all the MPs agreed

00:16:05.640 this was genocide. So why would anybody now oppose a bill that would criminalize people

00:16:11.860 who disagree that it was a genocide? So she used the motion. She's now using the motion

00:16:17.900 to bolster her argument to pass what is clearly, or attempt to try to pass what is clearly

00:16:24.020 a constitutionally a violation of the canadian constitution and completely ridiculous censorship

00:16:31.620 legislation on history so it's it's symbolic this motion but it's it's written in canadian history

00:16:38.800 now that this specific parliament said this about the residential school system and it can be used

00:16:44.880 to silence anyone who wants to speak out about it so it's deeply significant awesome well thank you

00:16:51.240 so much for your time uh mr harrison i do want to move on to jim but just one last question before

00:16:56.880 you go um let's talk about this sort of immense pressure that politicians and i guess the

00:17:04.820 conservative party were under back then and and i guess like this insane sort of i like to call it

00:17:10.160 this sort of incestuous relationship between the canadian media and the political class

00:17:14.300 where you know it takes two weeks for them to convince us all to stay inside during lockdowns

00:17:20.000 it takes two weeks to convince us all that our history is genocidal and everybody in the

00:17:24.020 parliament buildings agrees with it um you know what like if you if we look back when that happened

00:17:30.420 it was oh you know a hundred however many bodies were found in Kamloops and all this was kind of

00:17:34.900 happening why do you think it's just so easy for the conservative party to just kind of cave

00:17:40.200 to this media pressure or maybe you could just kind of comment on this sort of like

00:17:44.780 zeitgeist that our entire country is under with um with with the sort of like just being so

00:17:50.920 obedient to anything that the cbc news or ctv news says to us

00:17:55.560 i think well two things immediately jump out to me the first is that the conservatives have

00:18:05.440 don't feel any competition or pressure to their right so they're not concerned about

00:18:13.160 they're not concerned about appeasing their base and not even just appeasing their base,

00:18:17.660 but they're not even concerned about abandoning their base on these issues, given the legacy

00:18:21.960 media have so much influence and they use it to bash the heads of conservatives into

00:18:28.940 submission over.

00:18:30.220 So I think that's one thing.

00:18:31.280 Their perception is that they don't have any pressure to their right and they're not concerned

00:18:35.000 about losing support to a party which they don't see as competitive.

00:18:39.320 I think the second thing is that in our system, at a political level, as everybody knows, MPs cannot vote out of line with the direction of their party leader, which I think is a bad thing for our system, obviously.

00:18:56.820 Because an Ontario Conservative MP from the GTA thinks completely differently on specific issues than a rural Manitoba Conservative MP would.

00:19:10.660 And that's perfectly normal because Canada is a very large country.

00:19:14.500 And however, both MPs will have to vote exactly the same way if that's what the leader wants.

00:19:20.560 If the leader says we're voting this way and we're not going to allow any free votes, well, that's just how it is.

00:19:28.420 And they never allow free votes. Rarely will they ever allow free votes.

00:19:32.760 So MPs just have to fall in line. And this trickles down into what MPs can say.

00:19:38.980 These conservative MPs are not allowed to do interviews.

00:19:44.000 They're not allowed to do, they're not allowed to post what they want to post.

00:19:47.960 Everything has to go through Pierre Paulyov's office.

00:19:52.080 Everything has to be, you know, centrally governed.

00:19:55.380 And so you're really not going to get to see the differences.

00:19:57.780 You're really not going to, you're not going to get to see MPs expressing how they really

00:20:01.660 feel on specific issues.

00:20:03.880 And I came to that realization quite late, but it makes a lot of sense now when you think

00:20:08.560 about how many conservatives have operated over the past, well, five, six, even seven

00:20:14.760 years until they get to go ahead from the from the top they're not going to be able to speak on

00:20:20.080 certain issues this is one of them for sure but it's a trickle down it goes on it it goes on to

00:20:24.640 all the other issues yeah yeah wow thank thank you for that for that analysis um you said a lot of

00:20:32.760 very powerful things there or important things there i should say that there's not enough pressure

00:20:37.060 from the further right uh they can't even speak freely uh you know blink twice if you're being

00:20:42.900 held hostage conservative mps um are you in danger uh but uh this is part of another conversation

00:20:49.680 but uh you know maybe we could have it offline uh i would love to kind of ask how uh how i could

00:20:54.560 try to make this safe free speech project work to apply the right pressure to the conservative party

00:21:00.200 coming from a you know mostly a right-wing perspective although i think you know freedom

00:21:04.440 of speech should be a left-wing thing as well but um can i just ask one question this is these are

00:21:10.420 two separate bills the denialism and and the bill 63 right they're two different correct correct

00:21:16.280 bill c63 wouldn't fall under the guise of 63 it was a separate it is it is a separate bill but it

00:21:23.080 would have uh you know profound free speech implications uh well exactly so i'm just

00:21:28.000 wondering if it's criminalizing would you be charged the same way under bill 63 i don't know

00:21:32.620 the parameters yeah so uh unfortunately there's actually a legal precedent for bill c413 as

00:21:38.900 there's already Holocaust denialism

00:21:40.940 on the books, so they

00:21:42.940 use the exact same verbiage, so it's kind of

00:21:44.980 like just tacking on a new sort of denialism

00:21:47.340 bill, which is

00:21:48.860 if I get the verbiage correct, it

00:21:50.880 would be considered

00:21:52.080 criminal to downplay

00:21:55.380 deny

00:21:56.440 there's another word they use

00:21:59.280 of the, you know

00:22:00.640 residential schools equals genocide narrative

00:22:03.180 so needless to say, a lot of the people featured on this

00:22:05.040 space could easily get charged with

00:22:06.900 the criminal speech charges for for what they for what they believe exactly and i could have been

00:22:12.240 charged on my day so go ahead well maybe we'll go to gym now for yeah we're gonna go to gym uh but

00:22:16.940 thanks a lot harrison um if you want to have any last words before you go um or how we could you

00:22:23.200 know apply pressure with the with safe free speech.ca let me know um just before you leave

00:22:28.460 yeah i gotta i gotta bounce but uh thanks for doing this greg and um thanks for also advocating

00:22:37.820 against bill c63 it's extremely important awesome amazing thank you harrison faulkner of true north

00:22:44.340 thanks for stopping in appreciate it uh appreciate what you're doing there as well um we're gonna

00:22:49.720 move on to jim jim mcmurtry murt murtry sorry abbotsford teacher fired for refusing to lie to

00:22:58.020 kids and if i'm not mistaken uh jim you're really the canary in the coal mine here um in 2021 i'm

00:23:06.600 pretty sure around the same time that this news first broke of a whole bunch of bodies found in

00:23:13.700 kamloops um and in your testimony you said it only took 30 minutes from you saying something in a

00:23:19.980 classroom from you being dragged out if you could uh jim kind of just tell your story from from the

00:23:26.740 beginning of like when this news hit the headlines to you know when you made comments in class and

00:23:30.960 then and then what what happened after that but thanks thanks for joining the space by the way

00:23:35.340 how's it going well it's wonderful to be here i have the unhappy distinction of being the first

00:23:41.840 person that may not have may not been the first person to have thought that this was outrageous

00:23:48.900 what the news that was coming out of kamloops um but it was the first person punished but i was

00:23:54.560 right there at the start. So the press release from the First Nation Band in Kamloops was on

00:24:05.360 May 27. That was a Thursday. News started to trickle through schools and so forth. And they

00:24:12.980 made a big deal about it right across Canada on Monday. And I was teaching Calculus 12 at the

00:24:19.920 time and I was asked by the principal as were all the other teachers to talk about residential

00:24:24.620 schools and um and the narrative circulating was that there was torture and murder and all sorts

00:24:30.900 of things and um I just said one thing that went against the zeitgeist the word that you used

00:24:37.180 earlier and um within half an hour I was had two male vice principals um leading me out of the

00:24:43.940 building I got angry as I was being taken in the parking lot and I said I've just changed my mind

00:24:49.460 of not leaving make it easier for you guys if you allow me to speak to the principal and the

00:24:54.960 principal said nothing and nobody said nothing to me for three and a half years so I paid um I feel

00:25:00.700 that not only have I again was the first punished but I think I have been probably the most punished

00:25:06.500 um I know there are people before me like the senator Lynn Beck and so forth who was pushed

00:25:11.980 out of the senate for very much the same thing um which was questioning any indigenous narrative

00:25:16.620 the same year, 2021. So that's my story. I stood my ground. I'm someone who has a PhD from the

00:25:27.140 University of Toronto. My father was the Chief Justice of Ontario. We had many conversations

00:25:32.820 about Indigenous education, about Indigenous law and history and so forth. I've never met anybody

00:25:41.060 up until 2021, whoever said, even some of the things that were said by Harrison, which is that

00:25:48.060 there was more bad than good in residential schools. I object to that statement. Tremendous

00:25:55.740 fondness and respect for Harrison and everybody else that say that, but it's just simply not true.

00:26:00.700 The schools wouldn't have lasted for almost 150 years if they weren't doing a good service.

00:26:05.720 It was an educational right for children to go to school. Their parents signed application forms.

00:26:09.920 residential schools are only for those that couldn't or go to day school or didn't live near

00:26:15.480 a day school and in addition there are orphans and kids who have had necessities of life who

00:26:20.300 were put in residential schools I think the teachers did a tremendous job considering the

00:26:27.420 circumstances and pay and and then and the type of child that they got many of these children

00:26:32.680 came to residential schools with disease many of them from home lives where there was tremendous

00:26:39.220 abuse including sexual abuse and I think teachers did their best obviously there

00:26:45.160 are some teachers that did things they shouldn't have done and there was one

00:26:49.240 priest one priest 143 schools over 141 years really over 400 years because the

00:26:54.760 first residential schools were began almost to the day 400 years ago in

00:27:00.220 Quebec and they different names and the past including industrial schools and so

00:27:04.780 forth but we had a long history of trying to educate indigenous children i'm very proud of

00:27:10.100 that history as is harrison and i think it's wrong to condemn them any way whatsoever mistakes were

00:27:16.460 made and we've learned from those mistakes but i think what we need to do is not speak about

00:27:21.740 schools that were in our country a long time ago without having any knowledge i'm someone who has

00:27:27.000 knowledge harrison had as he said rodney clifton on someone who was at those schools i have met

00:27:32.140 many teachers i have met many students who were in attendance and i never heard anything of the

00:27:38.280 sort of physical or sexual abuse and certainly not genocide until it became de riga really sort

00:27:46.000 of in following up from what happened in 2020 in the united states with george floyd that trudeau

00:27:50.980 and others were looking for a george floyd moment as an interesting sort of spiritual repentance

00:27:56.960 that we had to say we were bad in order to be carried to the promised land by virtue signaling

00:28:02.900 savior Trudeau. I think residential schools are not a stain in our country, but an example of all

00:28:10.080 the good that we have tried to do to lift up all people in this country, whether the people that

00:28:16.080 were here long before, Europeans, and including people that have come as recently as today.

00:28:22.240 I think Canada is a country that's honorable. Yeah. So Jim, take us

00:28:26.940 back again to just that scenario, you know, you said something, did you say you were in a calculus

00:28:31.280 class when something was said? And how do you think what you said got back to these two vice

00:28:36.920 principals who came in to, you know, walk you out of the classroom? First, I need to apologize

00:28:44.140 because it's, uh, when you lose your livelihood over something like this, um, it does tend to

00:28:50.240 make me, I'm perhaps overly ripe in my passion. So thank you for keeping me in line a little bit.

00:28:56.180 So the problem was very simple. The kids at the school and all other schools right across Canada have been told for a number of years now that residential schools were equivalent of houses of horror or of the Auschwitz or other death camps run by Nazis, which is simply not true.

00:29:15.160 um and um so i don't blame this student there are a lot of students that are encouraged to snitch and

00:29:21.860 to sniff out orthodoxy in schools in recent years there's a as you know there's an ideology that's

00:29:28.600 firmly in place and has different names i'll use the name wokeism but postmodernism whatever 0.91

00:29:34.740 and but the kids are told that white canadian society is racist and vicious and and full of

00:29:41.920 darkness and i don't blame the kids that reported me there was one girl went down and and talked to

00:29:48.300 a guidance counselor and the guidance counselor um went to the principal and the principal right

00:29:52.460 away went to the board and i was out of i was out of the school before anyone talked to me

00:29:57.380 wow wow that's uh that's is uh that's wild you you say that you don't blame the kids

00:30:07.980 and I guess you just why do you say that well thank you for asking and you know I am a teacher

00:30:14.280 so I like to make reference to the fact that the what I'm saying to you today is really very much

00:30:21.480 from you know through the lens of being a teacher and and I think of students and students were told

00:30:29.120 by our society gosh newspapers we're talking about 215 human remains of children some as young as

00:30:37.660 three um being buried by classmates secretly at night and placed in a mass grave that's what the

00:30:45.900 kids that's the diet they were fed so i certainly don't feel any animus to students who who didn't

00:30:52.500 like what i said and and again i said it was disease that struck down most kids that were

00:30:58.580 in attendance at these schools as in other schools tuberculosis ravaged canadian society

00:31:03.960 And there was more tuberculosis on reserves than in these schools.

00:31:09.600 These schools ended up inoculating the kids before other Canadian kids were inoculated.

00:31:15.400 They had regular visits from nurses and doctors.

00:31:18.540 Camelot School had a sanatorium for tuberculosis patients about 20 minutes drive away.

00:31:26.540 The idea that nuns and priests were trying to kill kids is just so absurd because they were doing the opposite.

00:31:34.360 They were ahead of their time in trying to keep kids healthy and safe and alive.

00:31:41.820 Okay, so like Faulkner said, I'm not a historian either.

00:31:48.600 Would you call yourself somewhat of an expert on this history and these stories of burying their own classmates at night?

00:31:58.380 Would you call these lies, or what would you call that, and where do you think it comes from?

00:32:04.000 Well, you're asking excellent questions, and the one at the end is the one that interests me most, where it comes from.

00:32:12.400 But I'll answer your first one, and I'll try and answer all the questions very, very briefly here.

00:32:18.600 that when I went to university, I studied Indian education policy and I did my master's thesis on

00:32:26.280 it. And I also took courses that related to all educational history, as I did my, as I said,

00:32:33.880 my doctorate at the University of Toronto. I worked under the University of Alberta for my

00:32:38.700 master's, a man named Robert Carney, who is the father of Mark Carney, who people know. And he

00:32:44.160 was considered to be the leading expert in residential schools and what his particular

00:32:48.120 emphasis was in talking about residential schools was how many kids were there because they had

00:32:53.540 nowhere else to go that residential schools even had even had adults there because there were

00:33:00.020 adults that had nowhere else to go and the schools fed them and sheltered them um so um they were

00:33:05.720 you know if you look at today's statistics about half the kids in some provinces some more than

00:33:10.980 have um that are in government care are indigenous so it's not this is not you know the residential

00:33:19.260 schools were were the precursors of of government child welfare and and um so they they looked after

00:33:28.300 kids and and they didn't always have the easiest kids and again things went wrong but but i don't

00:33:33.300 blame the teachers or the the intentions and also i should just quickly mention before i answer the

00:33:37.780 most important question here, is in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission report, the

00:33:43.120 Indigenous authors like Murray Sinclair talked about the schools having good intentions and

00:33:48.360 having many good accomplishments. And so that's page 128 of the final report. So the really

00:33:54.800 interesting thing here is you're asking, why would people say something that isn't true?

00:33:59.960 So yes, to answer none of your questions, I believe they're lies. It's not true, ghost

00:34:05.200 stories. Now, why would they have ghost stories? And I think the best explanation for this comes

00:34:10.820 from a colleague of mine on the, there's a national pan-Canadian research group called the

00:34:17.620 Indian Residential School Research Group. And there's a woman there named Michelle Sterling.

00:34:21.780 And her explanation relates to trauma, that these kids did not go to residential schools for the

00:34:28.300 most part without having already experienced a great deal of trauma, particularly in the 1880s

00:34:33.580 and 90s when there was a lot of starvation. Even before that, before they were officially

00:34:39.120 called residential schools in 1883, when there was smallpox. And of course, later you had Spanish 1.00

00:34:46.200 flu and you had all sorts of other things like alcohol, the problem of fetal alcohol syndrome,

00:34:51.660 and more recently drugs and so forth. So finally wrapping this up, why is this? Well, when people

00:34:58.080 have trauma and I talked to a friend yesterday who worked in and on reserves for most of his

00:35:05.600 adult life he said that he asked me he said Jim how many kids do you think that some of these

00:35:11.840 reserves were sexually abused on the reserve and I said well I think in some cases as many as 40

00:35:17.760 percent and he said to me you're wrong he said almost every child so what's happened in many

00:35:23.580 reserves because of poverty, as Harrison Faulkner was saying, because of drugs and alcohol and

00:35:29.360 suicide and despondency and economic, social dysfunction, family dysfunction and unemployment,

00:35:36.260 all these different things. They came together as a horrible, toxic cocktail. And it's really

00:35:41.080 hard for kids. And that's why when I was in school, I didn't understand when I was a student,

00:35:46.000 how there could be students and residents and schools and native reserves, you know,

00:35:51.880 sniffing glue or photocopy or fluid and so forth and and so i i think their kids have a lot of

00:35:59.560 trauma and i think it's easy to point figures at residential schools and of course some kids did

00:36:04.640 have a bad experience at residential schools for some of them was hard to be away from family and

00:36:09.360 community and i'm and i'm not an apologist for the schools at all but i think the intentions

00:36:14.140 were good and and and i think when people make up false stories even the orange shirt story is false

00:36:20.280 The girl Phyllis Webstat never, never went to a residential school. 0.95

00:36:24.680 She blames nuns for taking away her shirt.

00:36:27.420 There were no nuns at the hostel.

00:36:29.360 She was staying in Williams Lake.

00:36:31.420 And as far as graves, as Harrison Faulkner also said, you know, there's no graves that

00:36:37.260 have been found anywhere of missing children, let alone murdered children.

00:36:41.640 So, yes, these are lies.

00:36:44.500 And but I think many Indigenous people who come up with with stories like this that are

00:36:48.860 not factual um i think um are are people who who are suffering from trauma and i think um we need 0.97

00:36:56.840 i think that's that needs to be addressed and i think we have we're wrong to believe because one

00:37:03.120 archaeologist based on stories circulating and and in the in the community there about dead

00:37:10.580 children in in an apple orchard that person should you know should be tested but her archaeology

00:37:18.140 report hasn't been seen by anyone because nobody is is allowed to see it and the police are not

00:37:24.400 investigating so it's it's uh it's a really surprising thing if it were true they wouldn't

00:37:29.540 be going to this extent you people can't even fly zones over where these bodies are because the

00:37:36.040 federal government has prevented that so it's a very concerted effort to make sure that those

00:37:41.840 that those sites the 215 sites which are all in a line very much like the sewage trench that they

00:37:48.700 really are um are never i never um excavated interesting interesting almost like they're

00:37:54.940 trying to uh hide hide the uh the truth um i wanted to ask you know what what would you say

00:38:02.260 to somebody like because i'm just i'm thinking it's so childish this fairy tale version as if

00:38:09.080 as if history is a fairy tale with every,

00:38:11.260 as if everything's all good or everything's all bad,

00:38:14.600 you know,

00:38:14.800 like the history is,

00:38:15.660 is there's a lot that's happened and to say it was all good or all bad is

00:38:19.680 just obviously a red flag for anybody who's serious.

00:38:23.020 Um,

00:38:23.460 especially a historian who knows that there's a lot of complexities to any

00:38:26.180 situation.

00:38:26.580 But,

00:38:26.940 uh,

00:38:27.840 what would you say to somebody who heard what heard what you just said there

00:38:32.580 now,

00:38:33.100 Jim,

00:38:33.340 and said,

00:38:33.600 this is all just misinformation and disinformation,

00:38:36.640 Jim,

00:38:37.020 this is all just hate filled rhetoric.

00:38:39.080 It's all misinformation.

00:38:42.700 Well, the very first thing, so I put out a tweet a few days that had 1.3 million views.

00:38:49.500 And it was me wearing a shirt that said, where are the missing graves?

00:38:53.720 And I got a lot of death threats.

00:38:56.380 And so the very first instance, I think we have a problem in society across all sorts of issues in which we've lost the art of disagreement.

00:39:05.960 And I think the most important thing to do is not to presume that one is right. And I'm open. If someone were to excavate tomorrow on Kamloops and find 250 child remains, then I would change my opinion or my view and say I was wrong.

00:39:24.080 but we're not allowed to in Canada as adults even to entertain any discussion and the school system

00:39:33.560 in particular in any discussion whatsoever about a lot of these issues is something that's the

00:39:39.640 death knell for a teacher so generally one avoids it but to more specifically answer your question

00:39:45.500 what I would say to somebody is that it's my understanding based on the research that I've done

00:39:49.500 um that they haven't found any graves or missing children and um and that residential schools um

00:39:56.740 at the time um served an important role okay i do have a couple more questions and then i think

00:40:04.880 we're going to move on to to hearing more people's testimonies but um i want to ask uh you know how

00:40:11.760 Were you political before this happened?

00:40:15.940 And what is your sort of perception been of Canada since then?

00:40:20.680 Has it radically changed your sort of perception of our institutions

00:40:24.500 since you got dragged out of the classroom in 2021?

00:40:28.220 Absolutely.

00:40:29.080 I've become more cynical.

00:40:30.040 I would rather be teaching today than doing this interview.

00:40:35.600 But my regulatory body wants to cancel me as a teacher for the rest of my life.

00:40:41.200 So there is some hard feeling.

00:40:43.600 If I could just go back, mention that my father was Canadian of note.

00:40:48.220 He won the Order of Canada and involved in the Patriot and the Constitution and had a storied career.

00:40:54.380 And he died recently.

00:40:56.980 But I had a lot of conversations with him, as you can imagine, about being a fired teacher and asking my father for support and for advice.

00:41:07.580 And I never got very far with my father.

00:41:09.820 my father absolutely loved canada and and he was loved by canadians from coast to coast

00:41:16.780 um but i never got far with him because he would start to swear and get very upset he doesn't he

00:41:23.980 didn't understand why people had to put the statue of johnny mcdonald behind a box or would tear it

00:41:30.620 apart why we had to get rid of edgerton ryerson who gave free public schooling to all ontario

00:41:37.340 children. So there's something that's happened to Canada in recent years that no one I think

00:41:44.040 ever anticipated, where we started to hate ourselves and we started to destroy all the

00:41:48.600 things that unite us. So I think, yes, I've become bitter and cynical in some ways, and

00:41:54.700 I don't want to be that person. But I will be until I'm fully vindicated because I did nothing

00:42:00.920 wrong as a teacher. But it's really interesting that my father, who's very much an establishment

00:42:06.560 figure and then many of his friends would have conversations with me and wouldn't they again

00:42:12.020 they wouldn't last long because they'd be so upset with what's happening to canada and if you can't

00:42:17.000 love your own country and the people who built this country the people like mcdonald who who

00:42:22.920 created a railway that extended from one end one coast to to the other then i or simon fraser and

00:42:30.540 canoe going you know down the fraser river the mackenzie walking up to the arctic if we can't

00:42:36.940 take pride in the in the men and the women who built the country like the earth on nuns and

00:42:42.220 jesuit priests in fact do the opposite and call them all sorts of names including murders

00:42:48.220 in residential schools then i then i don't like the canada that i'm living in today

00:42:53.500 that that's a that's a very powerful i mean i i relate but i can't even imagine um

00:43:03.580 the fact that your father is like a historical icon of sorts and i find i find that very

00:43:11.160 saddening and disheartening of course and also a bit relatable that he almost can't even put

00:43:16.560 into words the the disappointment and and the the feeling of being let down by this place being let

00:43:24.880 down uh by these institutions so i guess i'm understanding that even even trying to talk to

00:43:30.280 him about this it just kind of quickly devolved into just pure pure frustration and rage i guess

00:43:35.940 yes because he knows how good a country canada is and was and he's a personal friend of jean

00:43:41.820 Kretchen. And many people refer to Kretchen because he adopted an indigenous child as being

00:43:47.560 some sort of monster. And my father knew what Kretchen went through in his wife, Aline, in

00:43:54.160 raising a boy from a background of trauma. And they weren't able to save him. And he became,

00:44:03.800 as you know, someone with a very checkered life. But my gosh, to look at someone like

00:44:11.800 that is participating in the 60s scoop you know this evil white you know politician taking a kid 0.77

00:44:19.720 out of his culture all cretchen wanted to do and all canadians wanted to do in the 60s 0.63

00:44:25.040 and all missionaries wanted to do with kids before that was to help them and anybody who

00:44:31.160 says the opposite is a liar very very well said um i uh you know a lot of people are um or you

00:44:44.420 know any sort of leftist who would come across this across this space or any official politician 0.93

00:44:48.800 or even a conservative might say oh we're all hateful bigots and and you know you know the

00:44:52.980 regular catchphrases that they would say um and i really in a certain sense want to take the high

00:44:58.480 wrote here uh with one last question if if if truth and reconciliation day was actually about

00:45:06.220 reconciliation what what do you think it actually would look like if if there was some or do you

00:45:12.660 think this whole day the the premise of it is just absurd to begin with and it's just about kind of

00:45:16.840 further further justifying the kind of resentment of of uh canadian european christian history

00:45:23.220 yeah to me reconciliation wouldn't involve demonizing all non-indigenous canadians

00:45:31.340 i think it's just an absurdity that you want to put people into white hats and black hats

00:45:36.520 this manikian worldview and and again demonize particularly some of the most beautiful people

00:45:42.720 in our past who who went to remote reserves and and other places to um much hardships to

00:45:50.060 themselves to to help communities that were struggling and um but where i where i fit into

00:45:56.500 this puzzle right now um is really not about reconciliation i don't have much to offer where

00:46:02.960 i have a lot to offer is with truth and i don't think reconciliation can come from deceit i think

00:46:09.520 we have to be true about our past and if all sorts of right now up until 1971 you had eight

00:46:16.720 bans in manitoba who are fighting the federal government to keep their residential school

00:46:21.280 open all these things are not talked about all i'm asking right now is for canadians

00:46:28.000 to stop the woke game of again placing people into categories of good and bad

00:46:34.320 history is nuanced human character is nuanced and truth presents all canadians today and in the past

00:46:41.280 as people who are part of a very good society

00:46:44.600 and we should stop seeing yourself as anything but that.

00:46:49.040 Absolutely.

00:46:50.920 So, Jim, I really appreciate your time.

00:46:54.720 I did want to ask you one more question,

00:46:58.620 which is you talked about your regulatory body,

00:47:00.720 wanting to make sure that you never teach or never work again.

00:47:03.320 Is there anything hopeful that you want to share

00:47:06.280 in terms of solutions you're looking at

00:47:09.040 or participating in to try and turn this country around?

00:47:14.560 Yeah, I could say all sorts of things, but I'll limit myself to one thing,

00:47:18.940 that I, on Twitter, where I hear from a lot of people,

00:47:23.340 and I would love people to communicate with me through direct message

00:47:27.200 at Jim McMurtry01,

00:47:30.800 but I've been lately hearing from a lot of high school students

00:47:34.640 who don't know me, and I don't know them,

00:47:37.320 But they've taken the time to write to me and thanking me. And the one thing that they say, and I think this is to answer your question, this is why I believe, and I'm an optimistic person to begin with, I think it all bodes well, as I think young people are wanting and insisting on having open inquiry and discussion.

00:47:59.640 and and i think so we started off today speaking to a wonderful young canadian named harrison

00:48:07.940 faulkner and he was talking about being in trouble what was spotify and so forth and the debate being

00:48:14.140 closed and leah gazin wanting to put people like him and me in jail or finest what's most exciting

00:48:22.540 for me is that young people have had enough of this many many young people across canada and

00:48:28.540 they're reaching out and they're saying, thank you. We don't, we don't want the Canada that's

00:48:33.980 being presented to us by, by our teachers, by our professors. We want a Canada where people can talk

00:48:41.120 about these things and come to some kind of consensus. Thank you.

00:48:47.800 Thank you so much for your time, Jim, sharing your testimony. I truly want to learn more about

00:48:54.540 your father and how

00:48:56.540 he got the Order of Canada. That sounds

00:48:58.520 very interesting. Rachel, I

00:49:00.600 want to get to your story in just a second, but

00:49:02.420 I know that the ferryman's toll

00:49:04.620 is in here, and he's

00:49:06.700 someone who's very passionate

00:49:07.920 about European

00:49:10.420 history and how it relates to our heritage

00:49:12.380 and that sort of thing. I know he can get

00:49:14.460 very spicy with his perspective,

00:49:16.500 but I'm very curious to hear what he thinks

00:49:18.560 about this and Truth and Reconciliation

00:49:20.360 Day. So the ferryman,

00:49:23.040 if you are

00:49:24.140 uh around uh unmute yourself and kind of share share your thoughts on this sort of residential

00:49:29.500 school denialism uh versus free speech um sort of battle going on right now in this country

00:49:35.800 are you there buddy yeah yeah thanks greg and that was those are really good to hear jim's

00:49:43.800 whole story i'd heard of this case but i hadn't heard those details and

00:49:48.820 yeah it's just another another system attack on somebody who actually wants to get to the truth

00:49:57.300 and you know move forward as opposed to just ruminate over nonsense endlessly but yeah it

00:50:03.840 doesn't surprise me that they've treated him the way they did um look i have a much more

00:50:10.060 aggressive take on this whole story um than most people are probably comfortable with um

00:50:18.820 Obviously, I come from a very pro-European perspective on things. I think that Europeans built this country. Europeans are the reason why Canada is a great place to live. And I think they've systematically attacked us over the past, well, decades, really, because they understand that a strong European population is something that stands in the way of globalism.

00:50:44.460 And I see the residential school denialism nonsense as just being another way to bludgeon old stock Canadians into giving up their heritage, their history, their homeland and their birthright.

00:50:58.700 This country belongs to us. It was made by us, for us, for our descendants, by our ancestors.

00:51:07.460 um anybody who tries to undermine that is somebody who comes from a place of hatred

00:51:14.300 and that's what this residential school denialism is it is a bludgeon used against white people

00:51:21.780 that's what it really amounts to and so when i hear people try to come at this in good faith

00:51:28.780 and you know to i i feel like that's where jim is coming from he's somebody who genuinely comes at

00:51:34.240 this. From a good faith perspective, he wants reconciliation, but the truth is they do not

00:51:42.280 want reconciliation. That is not what this is about. This isn't actually about getting to the

00:51:46.340 truth. It's not actually about having some kind of amicable agreement from which we can move

00:51:53.080 forward from and let bygones be bygones. That's not the intention behind this rhetoric and this

00:52:00.820 attack on european canadians now i think that this speaks to something much deeper that's a

00:52:10.520 problem specifically with europeans in the modern era our altruism has become suicidal and funny

00:52:18.320 enough i believe i think the residential schools were a mistake personally not because they were 0.77

00:52:24.060 evil not because they were a systematic genocide against the population not because you know they

00:52:29.760 were horrible and the catholic church is evil and all these things it has nothing to do with that

00:52:34.080 i think it was a mistake because it's a testament or a perfect example of how liberalism

00:52:40.900 is a horrible path that europeans have gone down i think it was a mistake to ever try and

00:52:49.760 integrate these people into our society i think that the the correct course of action was to let

00:52:55.400 them uh you know go off on their own course and be their own people i think that this this altruism

00:53:02.920 that europeans go through and it doesn't matter which example you choose whether it's you know

00:53:06.920 as jim brought up you know the the george floyd and the black situation in america or the aboriginals

00:53:13.160 of australia or ex-colonial countries any of these things this liberal mentality of trying to 0.60

00:53:20.360 integrate and you know adopt and um assimilate these people into your society was always a mistake

00:53:33.560 i think we need to reconcile this fact that this this whole notion that we're all going

00:53:38.520 to get along and that we should have ever tried to get along with with these people

00:53:42.360 on this level in our societies is a mistake and it always was and if you don't believe me

00:53:48.440 You know, the argument that I would make here is that the people who, you know, put together

00:53:56.320 these residential schools, the intention behind them was noble, honorable, and well-intentioned.

00:54:03.300 They wanted what was best. They were trying to do what was right. They were trying to be

00:54:08.940 humanitarian and look at how it has been used against us. And in 20 years, you know, the same

00:54:15.740 people who are demanding that we do x y and z for the indigenous populations of canada now

00:54:22.520 are going to take those same things that we did and say look at what you've done to us 0.58

00:54:28.380 this this whole notion that you know they're what they're trying to do now is somehow better than

00:54:35.280 what they did before like i don't think you understand it's not about actually fixing the

00:54:40.360 problem they're not trying to fix the problem they're trying to destroy you so when when we

00:54:47.320 look back on this everything that we're doing in the current time period this the same mentality

00:54:52.600 will apply to in the future as applies today to residential schools they will look back on the

00:54:58.520 negotiations and everything that we did in this time period and say it wasn't enough and it was

00:55:04.440 evil what you did and you shouldn't have done that and you should have given us this and you shouldn't

00:55:09.720 have done that like you know it'll just be endless because what you have to understand about these

00:55:14.040 people is again it's not about actually coming to an amicable result it's about deconstructing

00:55:19.320 every aspect of you and your identity that's ultimately what they are trying to do with stuff

00:55:25.000 like this it's not it's not something that's meant to be productive it's something that's

00:55:29.160 meant to be an attack and the more you allow these attacks to continue the worse they will get

00:55:33.800 so in my perspective i'm not interested in reconciliation anymore and i don't think a lot

00:55:41.160 of canadians are i think we saw a lot of this uh over the past week with what was going on

00:55:46.120 with national day of truth and reconciliation i don't want your reconciliation anymore i don't

00:55:50.200 want anything to do with you people i don't i don't want you to integrate my society i don't

00:55:55.720 want to live with you i don't want to be friends with you i don't want you know to have some kind

00:56:01.000 of amicable agreement because you've shown that you're a bad faith actor that you have no interest

00:56:06.280 in actually coming to an amicable agreement you just want to bludgeon me until there's nowhere

00:56:10.760 left for me to go and my children and their descendants are a hated minority in the country

00:56:15.640 that my ancestors built so why would i have a good faith discussion why would i want anything

00:56:20.600 to do with you you're clearly you're a hostile enemy that is who these people are and what they

00:56:25.400 they are trying to do to you is is every every accusation is a confession when they accuse

00:56:31.620 your ancestors of genocide it's it's quite simple that is what they are actively doing to you now

00:56:38.020 they are committing a genocide against the european populations across the entire world 0.57

00:56:43.880 as maxine bernier rightly stated today it's not a grace great replacement theory anymore it's a 0.75

00:56:49.360 great replacement reality and it's time for us to come to the conclusion like the reality that

00:56:54.200 they are not interested in having a good faith discussion they're trying to destroy you

00:57:00.120 so pardon my language i'll end there food for thought again i'm not interested in a liberal

00:57:06.760 you know solution to this problem anymore i'm interested in separation that's the position i

00:57:12.200 come from i don't want anything to do with these people anymore and i don't think any uh european 0.92

00:57:16.760 person should want anything to do with these people anymore i want them out of my country 1.00

00:57:21.240 and i want it you know in the case of let's say the indigenous i want them on their reserves 1.00

00:57:25.560 separate from us they can do their own thing i don't want anything to do with them 1.00

00:57:31.400 i appreciate what you're saying there all right all right i i i really liked your it's it's if

00:57:37.480 you guys have heard of the horseshoe theory it's the idea that the far left and the far right agree

00:57:42.040 in this case it's like the far left thought residential schools shouldn't have happened

00:57:47.400 and ferriman's like residential schools shouldn't happen for a different reason but um yeah no i

00:57:53.640 appreciate that and uh perfect example greg you like you know i'm sorry to jump in there but like

00:58:00.040 that's a perfect example because if the residential school system never happened right now what the

00:58:05.400 left would be saying is look at how you didn't do anything for those poor indigenous children who

00:58:10.440 were being abused look at how you left us to to die and starve and be exposed to the elements

00:58:16.280 look at how you left us to be you know victimized by disease and and the elements look at how you

00:58:22.840 just you you didn't help us at all look right when you say like it will never be enough just 1.00

00:58:27.960 like with the lgbtq like there's never going to be enough there will always be something else 0.99

00:58:32.920 that we need to reconcile with to to bow down to um you know and i and you were talking about the 1.00

00:58:40.840 you know the being a minority i mean mass immigration is already threatening us with 0.96

00:58:44.360 being a minority so there's there's really a lot to that where we're having to kowtow to these 0.56

00:58:50.720 people to just you know be be apologists for being white in so many ways that we're going to be you

00:58:57.320 know pretty much wiped wiped out of our country yeah um while you're on the horn here uh the

00:59:02.260 ferryman this is kind of a topic that i've thought about a lot uh you know because i i tried to

00:59:07.640 gently bring this up this this idea that hey truth and reconciliation day is uh you know there's a

00:59:12.580 really anti-white flavor to it and i appreciate you coming on because you kind of gave that take

00:59:16.780 on steroids um but when it comes to the average european descendant man in canada who's demoralized

00:59:26.900 or who is maybe giving in to the to the fear of well i don't want to be a residential school

00:59:33.920 denier or you know like you know bad things like and they get caught up in in the propaganda or

00:59:38.960 the narrative you know are some people just not even like too far gone to be saved or you know

00:59:46.720 what do you think sort of the solution is there to wake up more Canadians to be like hey your

00:59:51.980 history uh matters your history uh means something and if you don't if you don't stand up

00:59:57.420 and try to uh you know honor it then uh you know the the sort of history as you know it is kind of

01:00:07.340 um just kind of your way of life and your people will like cease to exist do you have any sort of

01:00:13.820 uh thoughts on that and how to solve this sort of demoralize this deep aggressive demoralization

01:00:19.360 problem of the average white canadian um it's a big question i know yeah i'm trying to just

01:00:29.800 quickly you know digest that look i think that on a long enough timeline um i don't i don't know if

01:00:38.400 necessarily you can remoralize the demoralize in any specific way but the the reality is that

01:00:46.680 at some point on a long enough timeline every european canadian is going to have to face this

01:00:53.800 reality because and basically it's not a question of when they they come to the realization that

01:01:00.580 this is what's being done to them it's a question of whether or not it's on it's there's enough time

01:01:05.380 left to remedy it after it does with the collision course that we are headed on looks something like

01:01:11.920 south africa that's that's the situation that they're putting us in um and this is true for all

01:01:20.800 um european countries and european colonial countries uh if you don't believe that they're

01:01:27.560 like you know it's it's the small things they're obviously doing it to us but like a really good

01:01:31.920 example of this is you know english universities are now removing terms like anglo-saxon now you

01:01:38.660 may think like well does that really matter and it's like yes because these are the same people

01:01:43.240 that will tell you well white is not an ethnic group what you're referring to is a collection

01:01:48.500 of European ethnic groups that, you know, make up the larger European, you know, racial makeup,

01:01:56.680 right? So you have English and German and blah, blah, blah. And then if you say, okay, well,

01:02:00.900 I'm English, they tell you, well, English is actually a collection of, you know, Celto-Germanic

01:02:06.900 peoples. There's no real such thing as English, you know, because there's Normans and Anglo-Saxons

01:02:12.080 and Celts and Gales and Picts and Scotts. They break it down. And so now they're at the point 0.96

01:02:17.780 where they're saying well you know there's no such there's not really such a thing as anglo-saxon

01:02:21.880 anglo-saxon is kind of a reference to uh you know a collection of germanic tribes that migrated

01:02:27.600 to uh england in the uh you know the mid first millennia over hundreds of years and you know

01:02:34.220 it was made up of jutes and and frisians and angles and saxons and so like you know using

01:02:39.660 this blanket term of anglo-saxon do you see the the the course that they've they've put us on

01:02:45.000 Everything is about atomizing you and turning you into an individual that has no collective identity, no sense of where you came from and who you are, with the specific intent of turning you into this individual that can be pushed around by other groups.

01:03:00.460 Notice how as they deconstruct your collective identity, if you are of European heritage, as they actively deconstruct and delegitimize your identity, they are simultaneously bolstering and reinforcing the identities of everybody who is attacking you. 0.89

01:03:16.640 so in this case the indigenous right the the same argument that i just made would apply to the 0.72

01:03:22.300 indigenous peoples the notion that the indigenous are some sort of collective identity is nonsense

01:03:27.260 except for in the context of you know the the european peoples who came and kind of saw these

01:03:32.420 similar things but the idea that you know they're one people with one interest um is nonsense

01:03:38.140 obviously they were warring for a long time they didn't view themselves as the same so like

01:03:42.060 do you see what i'm saying like they're actively bolstering up this idea that the indigenous are 0.58

01:03:46.620 this collective uh identity that is in opposition to us as they're deconstructing ours and the same 0.94

01:03:52.620 thing is true for blacks in america and the same thing is true this is why the best way to summarize 0.97

01:03:56.760 this is the term bipoc why do you think they use the term black indigenous people of color

01:04:01.780 isn't that interesting it includes everybody except whitey doesn't it why do you think that

01:04:06.980 they're they're doing that why do you think that they bolster up all of these other groups

01:04:11.300 collective identities as they delegitimize and minimize yours do you think that's an accident do

01:04:17.700 you think that you know this is the kind of thing that leads towards genocidal behavior and the

01:04:22.980 irony being that they're they're the ones accusing you of having genocidal intent simply for standing

01:04:28.420 up and defending your your own identity so um yeah to get back to your question the answer is look

01:04:37.060 people are going to figure this out one way or another and it'll either come because they they

01:04:41.860 they're paying attention and they see what's being done to them or they start listening to the right

01:04:46.180 people and they realize the trajectory that we're headed on or it's going to be whenever they're

01:04:51.300 they have a knock at their door because some gang like you know if you want to use a south african 1.00

01:04:55.860 context because a gang of bantus is trying to break through your gates so they can rape your 1.00

01:05:01.780 wife or boiling water down your children's throats as they make you watch before they slit your 0.99

01:05:06.900 throat and let you bleed out on the floor watching your children die and if that sounds graphic and

01:05:12.100 i know it is i don't care because that's what's being done to them that their story is our future

01:05:18.500 if we do not address this situation and start coming from this uh from a place of strength

01:05:25.780 unless we address this and realize that we are actually being attacked and this is what they

01:05:30.420 this is the kind of thing they are setting us up for we are in big trouble and this residential

01:05:35.300 school denialism is just another link in the chain of them you know binding our hands so it is

01:05:42.180 incredibly important that we fight this it's incredibly important that we understand the

01:05:46.260 ramifications of why they are doing this to us of what the real symbolism behind this is

01:05:51.540 and that we start understanding what the real problem is and it's that unless we collectivize

01:05:59.380 and understand that we are real people and assert ourselves and our history and our heritage and

01:06:05.060 you know claim our birthright in this world and you know don't let them uh you know tell you

01:06:11.460 otherwise this this nation is your birthright and don't again don't let anybody tell you otherwise

01:06:18.420 unless we start doing these things they will disenfranchise us turn us into a hated minority

01:06:24.020 flood us with the third world until your children and their descendants are left with nothing and 0.99

01:06:30.100 And they're simply a hated minority in what should have been their inheritance. 1.00

01:06:35.160 So with that, I'll leave it. 0.96

01:06:37.840 Thank you very much.

01:06:39.160 Before you go, I did kind of want to quickly ask sort of through the lens of free speech

01:06:45.140 and also what's happening in the UK right now.

01:06:47.440 I know that you follow European politics really closely through this lens.

01:06:52.080 And is there an equivalent happening in the UK of Truth and Reconciliation Day? 0.82

01:06:58.500 If I'm not mistaken, they tell crazy stories like, oh, no, no, no, the history of the UK is black people and Moroccans. 0.51

01:07:08.540 What is the equivalent of the UK to Truth and Reconciliation Day? 0.90

01:07:13.320 I don't know if there necessarily is something that translates perfectly in that regard, but they do.

01:07:20.100 So, for example, right now in the UK, it's their Black History Month.

01:07:23.240 and so they make this big song and dance of of the wind rush generation right which is this

01:07:28.440 uh huge influx of caribbean uh you know english colonial carabiners i don't know what the is that

01:07:36.280 the right term but um that that came to the uk in the late 50s and 60s i think and so they make it

01:07:44.040 out like you know this is a very crucial part of english history like they made england you know

01:07:50.440 england owes everything it has to this wind rush generate like you know the same thing they do here

01:07:55.560 right um so like there's there's that aspect of it but really what it comes down to in the

01:08:00.680 english context is um basically it's just constantly bludgeoning them for their colonial past

01:08:06.040 which again is as i said earlier is a testament to uh how liberalism is kind of a suicidal

01:08:13.000 altruism like this liberal approach to dealing with these populations never benefits us in the

01:08:18.040 the long run um you know england as an empire the the british empire was one of the most benevolent

01:08:25.320 and civilizing forces the world has ever seen it was unlike you know any other empire that ever

01:08:31.600 existed the way they went about managing and incorporating these foreign peoples into their

01:08:36.440 empire was a benefit to them like a hunt for every negative thing that happened a hundred good things

01:08:42.100 happened to these people and they make it out like the british empire was you know i don't know

01:08:47.780 the the the empire from star wars or something like some like genocidal force of of evil like

01:08:54.260 you know the the like a cartoonish depiction a caricature of you know megalomaniacal villainy

01:09:01.060 um it's not at all what it was um and you know if you don't believe me go go look at the uh videos

01:09:07.140 because they exist of say jamaica in the 50s or nigeria or um you know south africa go go look at

01:09:14.760 what these civilizations look like under british rule and tell me that it's it's better now um

01:09:21.320 i think if you if you would say that to me you're just a liar but um the the other thing that i would

01:09:28.120 add to this too is that uh one of the things that uh came up there is as you mentioned this

01:09:34.840 residential school denialism is uh bill what is it again is it 4 4 13 or something yeah 4 30

01:09:41.720 yeah 413 that's right yeah yeah so anyways this bill is virtually identical to the holocaust

01:09:50.860 denial bill and i just want to you know point this out to anybody who may be listening in the

01:09:55.620 audience who is a cpc supporter that bill the the holocaust denial bill that was introduced by the

01:10:03.480 conservatives your free speech you know these uh this party that claims itself to be the champion

01:10:09.580 of free speech yeah they're the ones that introduced this measure and they're the ones

01:10:14.220 who crafted the legislation that now is being used to introduce the holocaust denialism bill

01:10:18.780 so if you believe that the conservatives are going to vote against this bill i think you're

01:10:24.300 out of your mind i think you will have unanimous consent from the conservatives in supporting this

01:10:29.160 bill and if you think i'm off the mark why do you think pierre and all of his his colleagues were

01:10:34.200 running around on truth and reconciliation day you know doing everything they could to appease them

01:10:39.080 if you think that that for a second that the conservatives are going to stop this bill i think

01:10:43.960 you're you're delusional they they're the ones who introduced this legislation to begin with

01:10:49.320 they're the reason we are at where we're at so don't kid yourself the conservatives are not your

01:10:55.160 ally in this fight you know for free speech um you know they only want free speech that's convenient

01:11:01.480 to them that's it they don't they don't actually care about the real you know uh yeah

01:11:10.280 you know unadulterated um unfettered free speech they want you know free speech so that i can uh

01:11:17.560 you know in go after justin trudeau's carbon tax or or you know fly a flag that's that's

01:11:24.520 kind of free speech the conservatives care about not really important speech so with that

01:11:29.720 Can I just interrupt for two seconds?

01:11:32.340 I just want to tell the room I'm getting a few messages and why they're not being able to speak right now.

01:11:36.600 We were just going to cover a few people and then we're going to open up the room.

01:11:39.500 So I just want people to be patient.

01:11:41.260 We're going to let everybody speak.

01:11:42.960 Thank you, Rachel.

01:11:43.860 And thank you, Ferryman.

01:11:44.960 Bro was cooking.

01:11:45.840 Yeah, I actually covered that the other night on my stream.

01:11:49.140 And you're absolutely right.

01:11:50.240 They actually initially presented Holocaust denialism in 2022.

01:11:53.800 It didn't pass, but then they slipped it in.

01:11:55.620 believe it or not right around the convoy is when uh i think it's around the convoy maybe

01:12:00.880 it was a bit after that no it was early it was early 2023 early 2023 right and um you know i

01:12:09.700 thought that was so interesting coming from the conservatives uh because it's like oh are you

01:12:14.320 worried about high taxes trudeau well that's why we need to talk about the holocaust and make

01:12:20.340 call the costume aisle illegal uh very interesting yep i would add one more thing here as well

01:12:26.420 which is you know this will be controversial and a lot of people may not like that i say this but

01:12:32.480 that's the beauty of free speech you don't have to like what i say um you know i just have a right

01:12:37.660 to say it and that's i don't think it's a coincidence that the member of parliament

01:12:42.740 who introduced this bill is half jewish i think it's a testament i think you know this is something

01:12:50.260 look whether i don't i don't really care what your opinions are on the holocaust isn't she

01:12:55.120 indigenous she's half she's a quarter lakota a quarter chinese and half jewish i'm sure i'm

01:13:04.060 sure it's a coincidence i'm sure it's just a coincidence i just want to point out that

01:13:09.580 regardless of how you feel about um you know the holocaust which we're not allowed to really have

01:13:14.860 a discussion about anyways in this country because you can go to jail for two years if you

01:13:18.760 even flirt with the idea that maybe something is not exactly how they told you but regardless

01:13:24.980 that's not necessarily what's important what is important is that if you're honest you and

01:13:31.580 objective you will understand that the holocaust denial grift is the biggest grift that has ever

01:13:39.240 existed it has been used to drain resources out of germany the united states other eastern 0.60

01:13:45.640 European countries for 60 years. They have been milking that genocide. It is used to finance

01:13:52.860 groups like the ADL. It is used to finance groups like the SPLC. It is used to finance groups like

01:13:58.520 the Canadian Anti-Hate Network. It is a massive political grift. I don't care if, again, it

01:14:04.620 doesn't matter if you believe it or not. The point I'm getting at here is that the reason I don't

01:14:09.920 think it's a coincidence is because I think that, you know, there are people within this camp

01:14:15.100 pushing for this legislation that can see how effective having that kind of legislation has been

01:14:21.540 in terms of getting financing and resources for Jewish groups. And I think they're looking at

01:14:28.320 this and saying, and, you know, they're rubbing their hands and saying, look, if we can get this

01:14:32.300 bill passed, we can go after all of our political enemies. We can, you know, basically shut down

01:14:38.220 anybody who says something. And on top of that, we can use it to leverage governments, probably not

01:14:44.260 only in canada but across the world to give us money to give us resources to give us whatever we

01:14:50.660 want so you know i think this is as much as again i know that's controversial and i know that a lot

01:14:56.820 of people may not like hearing that but i think it's important context to this whole situation

01:15:02.340 understanding that that they have used that as a way of um you know pressuring governments and

01:15:09.220 corporations and academic institutions and all these places into giving them money is incredibly

01:15:14.820 important and that's ultimately what this is going to achieve i would definitely be interested to see

01:15:20.560 sort of uh you know if there's kind of very easy to look at numbers of like hey look how much money

01:15:26.120 was made off of uh off of this denialism grift but no that's a real that's a really great parallel

01:15:31.900 to bring up and i would argue that um you said they're obviously going to use it against their

01:15:36.740 political enemies i think bill c63 is like the biggest set of weapons you know for tyrants to

01:15:43.700 to weaponize against people and then of course there's just so many vectors of attack right now

01:15:47.980 and c413 on residential school denialism is obviously just another one that is just another

01:15:53.920 vector of attack and um yeah no and uh for anyone listening who's like oh you know ferryman seems

01:16:02.760 really out there you know every single other group in the bipoc is you know when you advocate

01:16:08.860 for yourself and and and your birthright you know there's a conflict going on in israel in the

01:16:14.400 middle east right now and like you know you will hear a lot of jewish people talking about their

01:16:18.800 birthright and their land and this and whenever any other group says it talks about this it's

01:16:23.060 absolutely celebrated it's it's the media is glowing about it it's it's yeah it's something

01:16:28.820 that's totally acceptable but because of the propaganda because of the situation we're in in

01:16:33.020 2024 and because it hasn't been resisted in a significant way for decades since i've ever been

01:16:39.500 alive probably there's just there's just all this groundwork that's been laid to uh really make

01:16:45.840 european european people hate themselves and their history and um yeah i'm it's definitely a huge

01:16:54.340 part of the formula a huge part of the equation here in terms of what we're up against in canada

01:16:59.600 and ferryman was really cooking here when he brought up the fact that this conservative

01:17:04.800 party is not not going to be uh our saviors here at the very least it's going to be people

01:17:11.480 further right than the conservative party to apply uh pressure to try and make them at least

01:17:16.940 do the right thing or something but uh i i really don't think the solution has presented itself in

01:17:22.780 canada yet but has a single conservative member of parliament even said like this is outrageous

01:17:28.160 have they even talked about it have they even brought it up as as something that is out of the

01:17:32.520 question i so harry harry faulkner was on earlier and he said that like no no no no conserve no like

01:17:39.880 sitting conservative no establishment conservative has said anything about this all they've really

01:17:45.040 done is worn the orange shirts uh there's someone who i voted on invited on the space uh chanel

01:17:51.500 she really follows the residential sorry she follows the you know gender ideology in schools

01:17:56.740 and there was a conservative mp i'm gonna mess this up i think it's manitoba but there's a

01:18:00.920 conservative sorry not mp i think provincial or city conservative person and they said hey there's

01:18:07.900 a parallel here between uh you know parental rights being taken away with gender ideology

01:18:13.520 and like the horrible things that happened during the residential school and even a conservative

01:18:18.400 of saying that they got disavowed by the party like you're not allowed to make this comparison

01:18:22.960 so no you're no to answer your question fairy absolutely not they're not resisting this at all

01:18:27.920 we all saw Pierre Polyev wearing the orange sweater it reads exactly like a Justin Trudeau

01:18:33.980 tweet folks exactly like a Justin Trudeau tweet and I would certainly argue that this is this

01:18:39.860 touches upon one of the most important uh issues going on right now which is you know

01:18:45.500 traditionally canada is a european nation it's known as that and right now we are the most

01:18:55.340 it's totally acceptable to hate us as a group we talk about hate stopping hate stopping hate 0.90

01:19:00.400 stopping hate stopping hate and it's like well you're allowed to hate white people like that's

01:19:04.740 and i made you know i i made a kind of a video about this proving this of how um you know tearing

01:19:10.280 down statues running down churches like this again hardly gets much attention at all and i

01:19:16.140 really feel like we're just kind of getting breadcrumbs with the bill we got this recent

01:19:19.740 bill from the conservatives like hey we're going to stop churches burning down we're going to

01:19:23.380 condemn that and it's like what does this really do though like you know they're not even opposing

01:19:28.400 the uh the premise of you know the residential school denialism and i don't know if you were

01:19:34.880 here for this either fairy but because i forgot about this or didn't know this but earlier in

01:19:39.840 in the parliament buildings back in 2021 after this whole cam loots mass graves things came out

01:19:45.060 for the residential schools equal genocide they passed a motion in the parliament buildings to 0.68

01:19:50.320 say we all solemnly swear and agree that residential schools equals genocide our history

01:19:55.500 equals genocide so there's already sort of a precedent set in the house of commons that

01:19:59.600 all the conservatives voted yes to that uh yeah our history is inherently genocidal so uh needless

01:20:06.980 to say especially when it comes to this issue uh we are down in the ninth inning you know like we

01:20:13.480 are definitely in a in a pickle here because these uh this conservative party who's supposed

01:20:18.620 to champion us is really uh asleep at the wheel they're i i you know i think they're controlled

01:20:23.660 opposition but thanks again for hopping on ferryman really appreciate your perspective

01:20:29.100 we're here we're all about the free speech maybe really quick before you go do you think we can

01:20:33.440 stop at bill c63 come on give us a white pill before you go sir do i think that we can stop

01:20:41.040 bill c63 yeah like our initiatives free speech yeah yeah our initiatives that say free speech

01:20:49.400 dot ca is to apply pressure to the political bubble in ottawa outside pressure try to convince

01:20:55.100 a senator uh you know try to get our videos shared with uh you know elon musk or whomever

01:21:00.700 look i'm i'm of the opinion that um it would be i guess good if it was stopped i actually think

01:21:11.500 it will be better for us if it passes you're an accelerationist i knew it i i know you can you

01:21:17.440 can call me that if you want um i'm of the opinion that canadians need to be pressured into a

01:21:22.600 situation where they have to act and not hope you know for a the government's you know big daddy to

01:21:29.620 come in and save you so um you know like people have to lose all hope first before anything

01:21:36.860 here's here's a better way to put it if if you manage to put pressure on the government and get

01:21:42.300 them to stop it um it'll be a conservative victory and the conservatives will take that and

01:21:47.980 they will you know laud it over you and say look at how good we did you know by finally deciding

01:21:53.660 that we were going to stand up to a bill that we should have been standing up to a lot harder

01:21:57.380 anyways um i'm of the opinion that canadians need to stop relying on the political apparatus

01:22:03.960 to solve their problems and start taking action themselves and organizing themselves at the

01:22:10.060 grassroots level outside of the political system so you know that's my that's my perspective on it

01:22:15.140 the truth is i don't really care at this point um what the government does i don't really care 0.96

01:22:20.040 what laws they pass i'm i'm tired of them and their bullshit so yeah like i i i yeah i'm one 0.96

01:22:27.200 these people that are like yeah go keep going like every time they do this stuff every time they 0.98

01:22:32.080 they they uh get more egregious with these bills that they pass it just radicalizes more canadians

01:22:37.440 and makes them see that you know that this is a pointless endeavor and that we need to take action

01:22:42.000 ourselves so you know it's good for me it's good for me and the the the circles that i operate in

01:22:47.200 like i i benefit from them doing this stuff uh it brings more recruit to us so uh let them keep

01:22:54.240 doing it is what i say aren't you concerned that if this bill passes you'll be like one of the

01:22:58.560 first people that they go after oh for sure there's a good chance they look i don't know

01:23:03.920 if you want to get into a whole thing on this but like i understand that um i'm perfectly uh happy

01:23:08.640 to go to jail if i have to uh especially if it's for speech um you know what whatever whatever you

01:23:14.880 know it is what it is uh that being said um look uh there is a diminishing returns that they're

01:23:21.360 getting on these kinds of actions so you know the the best example uh i think most people in here

01:23:27.680 are probably familiar with it but if you're not there's a man from the united kingdom his name is

01:23:32.080 sam milia he's a father of two um a patriot a guy who has stood up for his people and he was arrested

01:23:39.760 and imprisoned for giving out stickers not even putting the stickers up for giving out stickers

01:23:48.320 and on these stickers it said things like love your nation or mass immigration is replacement

01:23:55.680 or you know i i'm trying to think of them but you know stop it's okay to be white yeah stop 0.96

01:24:03.760 muslim rape gangs stuff like this which is all perfectly valid things and they threw him in jail 0.72

01:24:09.840 and yeah they you know he had to spend two years in prison but that became a massive uh political 1.00

01:24:15.680 victory for us or at least a uh a propaganda victory for us because they we took this guy's um

01:24:23.520 you know situation and blew it up into a story that was getting retweeted by people like elon musk

01:24:29.440 so the the reason i say that there's a diminishing returns on these kinds of

01:24:33.520 actions from them is that the more people they lock up for uh even you know lesser and lesser

01:24:39.600 crimes uh the the more it delegitimizes uh their their regime so if they want to uh put me in jail

01:24:48.000 because i said you know the whole residential school mass graves is bring it on i'll do two

01:24:54.080 years that's no big deal to me um i'm okay with it and uh you know then it's on you guys you know

01:25:00.960 to uh take that and and turn it into this massive political firestorm right this is how we have to

01:25:07.760 off right now so that's how i'd see it i'm gonna be i'm gonna be right next to you in the jail cell

01:25:12.460 but uh um really appreciate you taking the time ferryman's toll um rachel let's go to you let's

01:25:21.160 hear your story of being uh canceled but actually before though real quick jim i see you're hanging

01:25:27.960 out still in the uh here i'm curious if you wanted to make any comments on uh what the ferryman was

01:25:34.740 talking about if you're if you're still tuned in and listening well i'm finding this absolutely

01:25:39.980 fascinating and um what i'm really looking forward to is hearing from from some of your guests and

01:25:47.080 and hearing their reaction to what i said in addition to what others are saying so i'm happy

01:25:52.980 to to be a listener but thank you anyway all right thank you jim uh all right let's go to you

01:25:58.900 Rachel uh you made a tweet I think it was on Truth and Reconciliation Day on Monday

01:26:04.820 I was gonna say yeah I'll try to get the tweet in here so people can look at it

01:26:11.120 but uh is the tweet up do you have a picture of the tweet you know what I I'm afraid okay so

01:26:16.880 that's where I mean I had to take it down because I was can I just retweet it now yeah absolutely

01:26:24.160 the photo i'll just tweet out the photo of it um but yeah you you face these consequences i guess

01:26:30.240 for uh for tweeting i guess in opposition so that's that's where i'm coming from this aggressive

01:26:36.800 assault on freedom of speech right and it's not the first time i've been canceled and i am in an

01:26:41.760 industry where it's rather well extremely liberal being an actor in vancouver and i am in alignment

01:26:50.960 with both Jim and Ferryman um I empathize with what Jim went through and maybe he has more hope

01:26:58.040 for truth and reconciliation but I'm more aligned with Ferryman where I don't believe in any truth

01:27:02.320 that there's any truth to be told or has been being told or reconciliation is possible whatever

01:27:08.060 that means and if someone like myself who's not inciting violence um which they're considering

01:27:14.960 denialism is violence it's calculated it's harmful it's hate um which i don't believe

01:27:20.980 i'm doing by sharing my views but uh you get you get people who like woke activists who can file

01:27:28.780 human rights complaints that's what this bill is going to allow them to do for simply disagreeing

01:27:34.000 with us like the ones who called my agent so monday my agent was infiltrated with like you

01:27:40.760 know messages and emails telling them you know that i shouldn't be on their roster i'm racist

01:27:46.920 we do work with a lot of first nations or indigenous um native canadians so that's not

01:27:53.820 where i was coming from i was just for one hashtag where are the bodies okay two i don't have i don't

01:28:00.420 feel that i have anything to reconcile for um you know and for these people it costs them nothing

01:28:06.460 to file a complaint. And if this bill passes, it'll be people like me, who will have this

01:28:12.700 process hanging over their heads for years with costly legal bills, or, or I just pay, you know,

01:28:19.320 50,000 to the government and 20,000 to a person who's deeply offended. And this allows for

01:28:25.440 anonymous people to complain, you can never confront your accusers, you can never ask

01:28:30.700 questions. So if this bill was passed through right now, I would have been charged with hate

01:28:35.420 crime and it's absolutely insane to be dealing with this in canada and you're right like the

01:28:42.600 conservatives won't do anything about this we already know i think the majority of people know

01:28:46.200 we're dealing with the uniparty then there's the ppc so i hope we get some dissenting voices here

01:28:53.280 we're not just going to be in an echo chamber here i want to hear other people's views from

01:28:56.880 the other side um but this is very guys thanks so much for the five gifted subscriptions to 0.90

01:29:04.860 fuck you make me thank you so much after not being jabbed for speaking my views against cbc 0.92

01:29:09.920 and now to share you know and have to take it down i felt sick that i had to take down my post 0.99

01:29:15.800 because i stand by it and even being on you know suggesting we host a space because we were you

01:29:22.360 know, trying to figure out who was doing some doxing on Twitter, you know, we want to speak

01:29:26.960 to those people who feel the need to cancel people for speaking their views. I really want to engage

01:29:32.600 in cordial civil conversation with these people who feel like it's, it's just to to not allow us

01:29:40.200 to speak. And that's, you know, that's right in the face of this denialism bill. Yeah, yeah. Thank

01:29:45.640 you for sharing that, Rachel. And yeah, what she's referring to there is, I saw this tweet on

01:29:51.240 Twitter and I clicked on it and it was like deleted already so I screenshotted it and it was

01:29:55.780 from this woman named Jennifer and you know I don't want to say too much because she's not here

01:30:01.160 to defend herself um although what I'm about to say is not speaking behind her back because I was

01:30:06.140 DMing her on Twitter and this is essentially what I had to say well I'll start with the initial tweet

01:30:11.620 that I tweeted out there she said um there's the there's these four anonymous people these so-called

01:30:19.760 anonymous people who are spewing insane residential school denialism you know i've i've looked some of

01:30:26.960 them up and i know where one of them works and they and they work at like a big company or

01:30:30.700 something i looked them up on linkedin and i saw that and i'm like and i tweeted out saying like

01:30:35.240 oh like this this is really alarming this person's obviously alluding to doxing like hey i have the

01:30:42.300 information of where you work and you're an insane residential school denialists and i said you know

01:30:46.860 bill c63 would be a dream come true for people like this because you know this person was showing

01:30:52.200 a willingness to sleuth around on the internet and that person show consequences for their

01:30:57.700 political opinion which goes against the official narrative right and there was kind of some back

01:31:02.900 and forth and she you know she was she was what's what she was doing unfortunately is she started to

01:31:09.320 muddy the waters so she was she was saying look at these death threats i got look at these death

01:31:13.480 threats i got uh you know look at these people bothering me you know you you endorse this is

01:31:18.200 this is this free speech and it's like hold on we need to there's a difference between

01:31:21.860 criminal behavior death threats and saying something about residential schools that

01:31:27.320 oppose like obviously there's a difference between these two things and i kind of i said that in the

01:31:31.940 dms i think i think you're kind of muddying the waters here and as a free speech advocate like

01:31:35.860 this really is upsetting and you know you're someone who seems to be well connected you're

01:31:40.540 part of a you know an advisor group or uh some one of these like provincial not provincial political

01:31:46.620 sort of advocates advocates yeah and you know she wants to advocate for reconciliation and it's like

01:31:51.940 well let's let's talk about this like and to this to this day i mean it hasn't been that long but

01:31:56.660 like i'm i'm confused whether or not she you know thinks people on this call deserve how they were

01:32:03.360 treated for simply you know saying a few things about history which which doesn't prescribe to

01:32:08.280 this oversimplified narrative that residential schools equals genocide exactly and just to let

01:32:13.260 the room know we have uh invited this woman a few times to join our our space um she's refused

01:32:20.000 so we're trying to make this fair and give her a voice yeah yeah it would have been nice to have 0.87

01:32:26.000 it back and forth and you know earlier before the space she said a few more things where like you

01:32:30.680 know someone made a comment of like hey where are their bodies or something like this and she's like

01:32:34.400 this is exactly why i'm not coming on this space and it's like well again this is really

01:32:38.740 disingenuous you're going to take one random internet comment and say that's why we're not

01:32:43.200 going to have a conversation about it and and also that comment is the same thing as a death threat

01:32:47.620 like it's all very it's all very feels on you know it's unfortunate because i feel like it's

01:32:51.780 really muddying the waters well again yep this this is what this is what i was going off on

01:32:56.960 whenever i had my monologue there which is you guys like i i almost think it's funny there's a

01:33:01.860 lot of irony here which is you guys are still coming at this discussion from a good faith

01:33:06.780 perspective you guys want to have you actually want to have a real conversation about this and

01:33:12.980 find some kind of you know agreed upon you know truth and understanding of reality they are not 0.96

01:33:18.680 interested in that they don't give a shit like like this is crucial this is just applies to the 0.92

01:33:24.440 left uh indefinitely about all topics they're not interested i don't think we were trying to come 0.97

01:33:30.420 to some sort of agreement but just to let her speak you know it's not about i'm not trying to

01:33:35.380 be kumbaya with these people but i'm just saying i wanted to hear and maybe other people like her

01:33:41.500 could speak to this and just give us their side doesn't mean but again again they're not going 0.80

01:33:46.060 to do that because you would obviously destroy them you would make them look foolish they don't

01:33:50.900 have any facts to back up their arguments so exactly exactly like even like the the idea that

01:33:59.120 going to have a discussion with these people is just not like they they avoid it at every turn

01:34:03.760 i don't know if anybody saw this video that was going around of karima uh you know who went up to

01:34:09.200 and kind of like approached a canadian anti-hate board uh network uh sorry canadian anti-hate yeah

01:34:16.880 a board member from the canadian anti-hate network and he just like he was in would not address

01:34:22.880 anything and then whenever she in good faith tried to engage him he said that he was threat

01:34:27.920 or she was threatening him and that he had that her videography exactly but that's what i mean

01:34:34.160 is that's the only thing you're ever going to get from these people so like the idea that you're

01:34:37.360 going to have a discussion with them is nonsense everything they do is we tried it's it's always

01:34:42.640 obfuscation manipulation you know trickery deceit like this is the world that they operate in so 0.99

01:34:48.640 there's no point in really even trying to engage them other than to show people how they are liars

01:34:54.800 And so they're never going to willingly do that because they know that they will be, um, you know, exposed for what they are.

01:35:01.940 I can, I can appreciate that perspective.

01:35:04.280 And to some degree, I think a lot of people are, are like that, especially official leftists for this person in question.

01:35:10.900 She claims to be a conservative, I guess.

01:35:13.440 But, um, I also come from the, you know, you know, the whole phrase, you know, force a tyrant to act like one.

01:35:19.480 i i think there is merit to sort of letting people sort of show who they are through their

01:35:25.560 own actions as opposed to being the aggressor it's like let me let me actually just continue

01:35:29.040 to give you the good fit and kind of let them bury bury themselves uh through their actions

01:35:33.700 and the reason i do that is because you know i am you know i'm taking a more moderate approach to

01:35:39.600 the to solving the problems in this country and i think part of that is to to try and reach and

01:35:44.720 wake up the normies and kind of collectivize around something we can all agree on um and i

01:35:51.340 don't disagree there's going to be people who yeah these people hate us these people want to

01:35:55.020 you know that and that's very true i won't i won't go into detail because i think it was in the dms but

01:35:59.700 you know it was like oh yeah sure like i'm not calling you colonizer blah blah blah and it's

01:36:04.980 like yeah well uh the people on tv are and they have a lot they have a lot of sway they have a

01:36:10.000 lot of influence you know they're they're tearing down statues if you haven't noticed if i'm not

01:36:14.040 mistaken there was actually like a horrific sort of uh you could call it a hate crime um against

01:36:19.500 uh i don't know the details it just kind of kind of came across my feed but like there was a

01:36:23.960 horrific like beat down of a white person or something recently in canada again is that

01:36:28.060 getting oh this is uh this was in colonna where a young girl group of 13 year olds beat the living 0.99

01:36:33.720 shit out of a white girl well who who were the perpetrators other 13 year olds white girls yeah 0.95

01:36:41.900 you know indians it's it's it's hard to tell i you can't really tell because you know how 0.99

01:36:49.280 whenever you use a camera at night the exposure kind of makes everything look a lot lighter than

01:36:54.820 it is right it's very difficult to tell what the ethnicity of the attackers was and who it was and

01:37:02.280 we're not going to know at least in any official capacity because their use and so their you know

01:37:09.440 their identities are protected right right right okay well um yeah thanks for chiming in there

01:37:17.920 for uh rachel is there anything else you wanted to add about uh no i you know just being a free

01:37:24.420 speech absoluteless absolutist and and and what is hate you know that's such subjective it's like

01:37:29.220 beauty it's in the eye of the beholder so i'm just very passionate about that and i'm kind of at a

01:37:33.400 crossroads with my own journey with my career and also being a ppc member and activist and

01:37:38.820 it's not they're not jiving the two are not jiving so i'm just at a crossroads personally

01:37:44.040 with that but i wanted to know if you want to open up the room and then we'll go to hands

01:37:47.480 oh yeah yeah we could totally do that i will give one last sort of spiel on this individual

01:37:53.560 jennifer as well because it's it really speaks to the sort of cultural undertone of the mission

01:37:59.580 at savefreespeech.ca

01:38:01.860 for those who don't know I've started an initiative

01:38:03.800 savefreespeech.ca

01:38:05.000 you can check out the website we give

01:38:07.840 a very vivid and horrific

01:38:10.100 summary of Bill C-63

01:38:12.020 which is a legislation that would be

01:38:13.920 the end of free speech in Canada

01:38:15.800 it would be like a tyranny toolkit

01:38:17.380 for the tyrants in this country to go after

01:38:19.820 political opponents people they don't like

01:38:21.800 so

01:38:23.680 yeah definitely check that out we're also

01:38:25.620 funding a documentary

01:38:27.200 uh that has to do with the canadian anti-hate network and the far left ideologues uh in this

01:38:32.800 country and exposing it we're working with an award-winning documentarian uh so you can check

01:38:37.620 that out at our website just click the donate button um yeah and sorry the cultural undertone

01:38:41.840 you know what really bothered me about sort of the uh tone i guess or the energy uh of this woman 0.93

01:38:49.900 jennifer is that it really feels and she because you know she said in the dms we actually have a

01:38:54.500 lot in common we actually have a lot in common and i was thinking about it and it's like well

01:38:57.320 on a very important fundamental issue we have we're kind of opposites she she's i don't know

01:39:04.720 if she's ever worked in hr but she has this very sort of like political correctness is like we must

01:39:11.240 obey the supremacy of political correctness you know i'm not putting words in her mouth i'm just

01:39:17.820 kind of like that's the impression i get from a lot of what she's talking about and a lot of like

01:39:23.320 what she values and um yeah and like i am i am the opposite of that i i think that this supremacy

01:39:30.420 of political correctness is precisely the problem that is um you know the boot on the face of so

01:39:37.960 many canadians and especially uh you know white canadians who who believe all of the sort of

01:39:43.620 propaganda of that you know our history is inherently judicidal and you know you're

01:39:48.540 privileged and all of this um you know the supremacy of political correctness is is totally

01:39:54.900 the problem and and part of the cultural undertone of what we're doing at say free speech is totally

01:39:59.100 rejecting that you know people are so serious about oh i better not say something that gets

01:40:05.260 me in trouble and to be fair you know it's unfortunately when you're when you're in certain

01:40:09.460 you know job positions there there are these sort of as you were saying rachel with your story there

01:40:14.920 there are these kind of ruthless expectations of like hey if you disobey the official narrative

01:40:19.420 like you will be uh you know fired and um the fact though that that it's infecting people's

01:40:25.900 daily lives and social lives as if like we all have as if we're all canadian citizens who have

01:40:32.120 the same hr department and that we all need to make sure that our opinions opinions are hunky

01:40:37.160 dory uh yeah like i totally reject that and i think perfectly said that's perfectly said and

01:40:42.420 And it is, that's why I say personally, I'm at a crossroads because I am an activist.

01:40:45.920 I am political.

01:40:47.320 I do have a passion for the truth, for freedom of speech.

01:40:50.440 And it doesn't drive well with what I do.

01:40:52.480 If I need to keep my, you know, I've had it happen where I've been counseled before

01:40:58.280 and I had to keep my mouth shut and I'm not one to keep my mouth shut anymore.

01:41:01.340 And I don't, I don't want to be, I need to contribute, right?

01:41:04.300 So if I have a voice, I want to use it.

01:41:08.140 Absolutely. 0.52

01:41:08.500 Speaking of which, we have a tenured and esteemed activist who I just brought into the space here, Mr. Mark Emery, the Prince of Pot.

01:41:17.540 He's someone who has, you know, been, he's a very longtime political activist advocating for the legalization of marijuana. 0.69

01:41:25.840 And more recently, Mark, I've noticed that you have been kind of pointing out this like, hey, people seem to be bullying Whitey. 0.90

01:41:31.560 And it seems to be very popular in Canada. 0.65

01:41:33.580 And I saw you reading the grave error.

01:41:37.520 You posted a picture of you reading the Grave Error book.

01:41:41.520 Maybe if you wanted to hop on here for a second,

01:41:43.420 maybe introduce yourself and talk about that book,

01:41:46.260 maybe first and foremost,

01:41:47.580 and then continue on with whatever you'd like to talk about

01:41:50.980 with this topic of residential school denialism.

01:41:54.200 I think you're on mute now.

01:41:55.720 That was a very empowering book.

01:42:00.020 That was a very empowering book, Grave Error.

01:42:02.600 And I really felt confident speaking afterwards,

01:42:04.520 afterwards having read it and then digested what it had to say that there are no credible evidence

01:42:12.280 or data or proof or anything ascribing malintent by any particular nun or teacher

01:42:21.720 or residential school headmaster headmistress it's just not there not only are the bodies not there

01:42:29.160 but there's no evil intent to be proven there's nobody who can say it and there's so much good

01:42:35.320 in the history of the residential school system that can be proven photographs for many many

01:42:40.840 books written by native canadians who went through the residential school system we said great things

01:42:46.040 in fact there are very few books about the residential school system considering we taught

01:42:50.760 them all to speak english and write english and that's why they can to this day do that is because

01:42:57.560 the European taught them, is that there is not a lot of historical data to impugn the system.

01:43:04.860 And there's a ton of stuff out there to validate that the residential school system is extremely

01:43:09.800 beneficial and useful for the vast majority of Native children. Now, of course, these are awful 1.00

01:43:15.860 times. You know, I went to school in the early 60s, mid 60s. They still beat us in those days.

01:43:22.540 They still took a leather belt out and whacked our hand until we cried for half an hour.

01:43:28.160 And that's in the 1960s.

01:43:29.940 In the 1920s, these were rough schools everywhere for every kind of Canadian.

01:43:35.020 It was not an easy life.

01:43:37.240 We were mostly pioneer children at the time. 0.63

01:43:40.580 Whites didn't live that much different on the prairies, especially in the 20s and 30s, than any Native child did.

01:43:47.100 So there was some degree of government neglect.

01:43:49.760 But I was upset about how governments end up accepting weird guilt and then making the taxpayer pay for that guilt that was committed by governments, like this veil of, I don't know, judgment-proof veil that exists around politicians that they never have to pay personally for the perfidy or the criminality they may have committed while they were in office.

01:44:15.700 And I find it unfortunate that we're giving, what, $30 to $40 billion to 1,800,000 Native Canadians in one year alone.

01:44:26.920 Like, that's $20,000 per Native, and they pay fewer taxes in many areas. 0.67

01:44:33.400 They have many advantages over the white community. 0.99

01:44:36.380 That kind of relationship has to end. 0.86

01:44:38.620 We have to stop giving money out of guilt or any other reason.

01:44:42.760 There's no reason for us to give them money.

01:44:44.700 The Native Band that I live beside, the Sechelt Indian Band, Native Band, they are incredibly prosperous.

01:44:52.280 They have huge amounts of property.

01:44:54.440 They own the biggest mall here and charge everybody rent.

01:44:57.540 They have apartment buildings.

01:44:59.740 They have businesses.

01:45:01.320 They have a mining, a quarry.

01:45:03.920 They have fabulous amounts of land that they can rent out and build on, and they are doing so.

01:45:11.040 So they don't need extra money.

01:45:12.960 We've given them the wherewithal, a capitalist system, lots of land, the right to do business as they see fit.

01:45:20.280 We don't need to do any more. 1.00

01:45:22.460 And this is a problem we have with all ethnic groups, and everybody's an ethnic group of some kind. 1.00

01:45:29.100 But we pander to them terribly. 0.99

01:45:31.840 We have the ethnic lobby, the Sikh ethnic lobby in parliament that helps direct this fabulous flow of hundreds of thousands of Sikh and Indian nationals coming into this country.

01:45:42.500 almost monthly. We have Somali lobbies, Sri Lankan lobbies, Chinese lobbies, Indian lobbies,

01:45:49.380 Filipino lobbies, and we have mass migration from all those areas. Coincidentally, the liberal

01:45:55.060 government is just used as a way to hijack power, influence, and money. I mean, the debt is now

01:46:01.220 $700 billion in the nine years Trudeau's winning government. That's going to be impossible to ever

01:46:06.860 make up i don't know how that's supposed to be ever paid off or dealt with and if interest rates

01:46:12.680 ever go really high we're going to be screwed that debt will cost us a fortune right it's all

01:46:17.640 the pandering we do to all the ethnic groups all the minority groups lgp the alphabet mob the only 0.78

01:46:23.160 people they don't pander to is the white community but the exception with that is that the bureaucracy

01:46:28.540 in ottawa and most of our provincial capitals are white we are paying for a vast middle class 0.56

01:46:36.180 bureaucracy that's largely white who largely do that kind of white savior stuff with people who 0.57

01:46:42.240 are drug addicted or on welfare or seeking that the most the tremendous amount of money is consumed

01:46:48.360 by a white professional class in the government just spending tax money like earning tax money

01:46:55.560 but not producing anything so you know i i would say we have many crisis the denialism bill is that

01:47:01.860 you've been working on greg and your great work on the online harms act i'm really appreciative

01:47:07.460 of what you've been doing getting it out there i i've recommended your website which is very

01:47:11.940 nicely laid out and i commend you for the work you're doing one thing i'd like to ask anybody

01:47:16.580 who wants to is why has the people's party of canada with all their great platform not moved

01:47:22.180 the needle in three years why have they remained sort of stagnant i i think that is a question for

01:47:30.020 another uh twitter space we we could get into it except when i look at all the people here though

01:47:35.120 i see a lot of ppc sympathizers right for sure and yet the question exists is why have we not

01:47:41.420 been able to harness a crisis several crises from mass migration to covid lingering you know covid

01:47:49.420 vaccine denial by governments from all the things that are going on that the ppc clearly stands in

01:47:57.320 opposition to um including gender ideologies and all we don't have seats there mark um we're trying

01:48:03.920 to get seats why have why hasn't our percentage of the vote in the polls gone up right why is it

01:48:10.940 like remain two three four percent uh in fact we got five percent in in 2021 so i find it difficult

01:48:17.580 to understand yeah no that's a really really good question and you know also why is it my generation

01:48:24.680 is 2% support for PPC and kids 18 to 29 or 7%.

01:48:29.320 Like what happened to my generation

01:48:31.040 that they're all supporting the mainstream parties?

01:48:34.140 Wow, that really is like quite stunning.

01:48:36.580 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:36.980 In a nutshell, I think that the propaganda,

01:48:40.500 the messaging for the PPC could much be improved.

01:48:45.360 I don't know what's necessarily,

01:48:47.720 like, you know, we could, it really is kind of a big,

01:48:50.140 I am actually really passionate about this,

01:48:51.780 of how could the PPC be better and stronger.

01:48:54.680 Um, like in a nutshell though, like part of the issue, I think, uh, have you, have you

01:49:00.220 heard of the group called Diagelon and Jeremy McKenzie real quick?

01:49:03.480 Oh, of course.

01:49:04.080 Yeah.

01:49:04.560 I've heard of Jeremy.

01:49:05.640 I've certainly seen his stuff.

01:49:06.840 Sure.

01:49:07.160 I bring that up.

01:49:08.200 It was a joke really.

01:49:09.440 Yeah, you know, but I bring it up because these guys were doing a tour.

01:49:12.420 Jeremy and Ferryman were doing a tour, uh, this summer and they went across the country.

01:49:15.940 They did all these speaking events and like comedy show things.

01:49:18.880 And, um, the media picked this up and they were disavowing, like, like they were all

01:49:23.500 over these guys for just doing speaking events and i bring that up good isn't that good i know

01:49:29.500 it's it's great i bring that up because if if the ppc was doing its job they would be getting

01:49:36.640 attacked in the media but instead more people who are getting more attention for being like further

01:49:42.680 right is diagonal and you know again we can we can go into like diagnosing the problem and talk

01:49:48.080 talking about you know how to improve that that would be actually a great topic for a twitter

01:49:52.240 space to be honest but that but that would be that's that's a whole other uh kind of topic we

01:49:58.040 could actually do that and we could invite max to discuss that sure maybe maybe we'll do that uh

01:50:03.140 in the near future mark by the way jim was great and so was uh ferryman stroll was great

01:50:08.860 mark i have a question for you did you make reference to so i went to catholic school 0.97

01:50:13.100 and in in the 70s and i was beaten i was you know the the leather the leather strap on my ass the 0.70

01:50:21.740 the knuckle or the the ruler on my knuckles i saw the nuns pick boys up by their ears um it was 0.98

01:50:29.260 horrendous you know i'm talking and i'm and i'm and i'm and i'm not washed a boy's mouth out with

01:50:35.220 soap literally got the bar of soap in front of all of us and got it wet and shoved it in his mouth

01:50:40.480 because he swore oh yeah so just talking about like i'm i'm both my brother and i you know

01:50:46.760 i mean i think i've got resolved trauma from that but there was trauma from that you know

01:50:51.540 And we talk about the natives having the trauma from—I dealt with it, too, in Catholic school. 0.96

01:50:57.640 I mean, they were horrendous. 0.68

01:50:59.920 I'm not saying what happened to me equates to what happened, whatever.

01:51:02.760 You know, I'm just saying I've been there, too, with teachers, nurses—sorry, nuns, and the pastor being the principal, absolutely abusing us kids.

01:51:13.080 Yeah.

01:51:14.580 Mark, I want to ask you—

01:51:15.480 But you know what?

01:51:16.160 I also remember that we were rotten little kids at times, too.

01:51:19.520 like we we saw our job as that to intimidate and so we often were really rotten to her

01:51:28.820 so when they were when they actually caught us in the rare time doing something we always deserved

01:51:34.860 it nobody was innocent it's not like the principal decided yes i'm going to give you the strap because

01:51:39.320 there's no evidence no we saw you fucking punch that kid yeah you know and so it's not like there 0.94

01:51:45.840 was like we lack due process it's just that life was rough in the 60s it was rougher in the 50s 0.96

01:51:52.660 and every generation before then it was rougher now you know no child can be touched in 1910

01:51:59.720 no child can be touched in schools no child can be assaulted um but it seems to be the way to go

01:52:06.140 good the problem is less with the teachers are terrible now and the curricula is really terrible

01:52:11.520 But parents are terrible, too. Most children don't have two parents at home. So the deterioration is there. Now, when people say homeschool your kids because the system is horrible, I go, well, what am I paying all this money for? I have to go to work on a night shift from 10 o'clock at night to 630 in the morning.

01:52:29.640 And I have to say, if I don't have time to teach children, our three girls stuff, because the LGB2 alphabet mafias invaded our schools, it's our job to clear these schools of all this, you know, disease and cancerous ideas and return it to sanity, not retreat into our home, right? 0.97

01:52:48.560 I'm not paying myself to teach my children. 0.99

01:52:51.380 I'm paying others.

01:52:52.500 And I expect them to do it.

01:52:54.160 So it's worth fighting to do that.

01:52:56.040 We have three girls in the local high school. 1.00

01:52:58.580 so and they're always being bombarded with fucking stickers for all the different sexualities and 0.99

01:53:04.420 gender identities and it's just a ton of bullshit they've had dildos shown to them all sorts of 0.99

01:53:10.640 bizarre sex object stories weirdo books and stuff right like it's a lot to keep your kids uncorrupted 0.99

01:53:17.840 because the schools love to do that they really want the kids to talk about whether they're 0.99

01:53:22.440 bisexual or pan in the grade fucking six right like none of these children should be having sex 0.98

01:53:28.920 where our girls are up to 17 and we're we believe that they are not and that is not on their radar 0.99

01:53:34.400 at this time so it's unfathomable that schools are constantly promoting this yeah let's let's

01:53:40.340 bring it back on topic later on actually we're going to have a chanel come on uh the space 1.00

01:53:44.860 because she's great too by the way yeah yeah and she and she was standing up for a conservative 1.00

01:53:48.880 politician who is basically saying the the the violation of parental rights under gender ideology

01:53:56.060 is similar to the sort of like lack of uh you know it's the same thing as the government kind

01:54:01.900 of imposing these absurd rules that put children at risk in school like and and because this

01:54:07.900 conservative uh politician made this comparison you know that's resident that's denialism that's

01:54:12.680 that's uh bad but mark i want to go we're going to talk about the school system a little bit later

01:54:16.520 I want to go back to something you said earlier, or rather just kind of like your history of being politically activated and politically engaged for a number of years in this country.

01:54:26.360 You know, we're seeing the diversity.

01:54:28.640 It's not it's not just sort of a trend. 0.67

01:54:30.800 It's almost like a tyrannical expectation.

01:54:33.100 It's sort of like a so, you know, you must pledge your allegiance to BIPOC and diversity in the rainbow flag.

01:54:39.160 Tell me, you know what?

01:54:40.480 No, I went to prison.

01:54:41.940 I never heard the word white privilege when I came out in 2014.

01:54:45.460 it was everywhere before 2010 i'd never heard of it before so it was bizarre how things changed

01:54:53.640 while i was gone so radically yeah and i'm curious did you see evidence of this before 0.92

01:54:58.860 like did did you see um evidence of these trends building up of of uh yeah i used to fight feminists

01:55:06.320 in the early 80s and i used to fight environmental lawyers in the early 80s and i used to fight uh

01:55:13.720 you know, worker lawyers in the 1980s. And all of these were teachers and profs at the University

01:55:20.500 of Western Ontario, where I'm from, London, Ontario. And I realized, starting in the late

01:55:25.360 70s, the entire university academic structure was being purged of conservatives. They were actually

01:55:31.940 being run out of the university, intimidated, ostracized, pushed away. And I saw all the

01:55:39.340 academic positions in the humanities in the 1980s go to all left-wing academics and of course that's

01:55:46.080 what they started to do is producing acolytes like themselves who are all left-wing academics

01:55:51.040 who further go out and poison the environment in other universities so that by the time the 90s 0.85

01:55:56.620 were here you had all these people ready to come out like manchurian candidates and suddenly i saw 0.90

01:56:03.440 this with Black Lives Matter that everywhere, you know, like how did you get hundreds of health

01:56:09.540 officials to sign a petition endorsing Black Lives Matter in the middle of a pandemic? 0.99

01:56:16.380 And that's when I realized people who have come out of university have all been inculcated like 0.52

01:56:21.980 Marxist cadres, thousands, tens of thousands of them, hundreds of thousands of them. There are

01:56:28.360 no conservative professors. There are no conservative teachers. There's hardly any

01:56:32.180 male teachers left um in the public school they're all female in the high school they're almost all

01:56:37.780 female or gay men there are no real heterosexual men teaching anymore you look at the local school 0.72

01:56:43.780 board it's seven woke white women and they are all down with the alphabet mob and the 0.71

01:56:49.300 ndp platform provincially which we have an election in two weeks we're hoping to cancel 0.87

01:56:54.420 that get rid of soji which is uh sexual orientation gender identity one two three which is in all our 1.00

01:57:00.500 schools and is responsible for this horrible stuff that they're brainwashing our kids with 0.99

01:57:05.840 this sexual bullshit that we're hoping to get cancelled in two weeks. Big election for us here 1.00

01:57:12.020 in British Columbia. And I've been very active in participating. The local Conservative Party

01:57:18.700 candidates disavowed themselves from me when some local radio NDP agitator called them up and said,

01:57:25.200 is mark emery like in your party do you endorse him being a member of your party

01:57:29.780 and promoting you and they had to go oh no no we know nothing about him meanwhile i've been to

01:57:34.040 guys lecturers giving him money donated 250 bucks you know sign on the lawn and suddenly

01:57:39.140 i'm persona non grata because they don't want to jeopardize their election by being seen with

01:57:43.800 someone who no one's ever actually accused me of being a racist um but josh joal didn't even say

01:57:50.360 that but he was the guy that called him up and said i was an extremist right an extremist that's

01:57:55.980 how they get you an extremist which to me just means principled you know if you're an extremist

01:58:00.280 you probably have certain principles that are so important to you you won't compromise on them

01:58:04.740 and that's an extremist but anyway listen i'm going on i have no right to take up your time

01:58:09.420 and i really enjoyed the show and i really enjoyed hearing from everybody and uh i would love to be

01:58:15.280 the ppc candidate out here in the next election but they've already got a fine gentleman so i'll

01:58:19.600 be supporting him and being president of the local uh west vancouver or sea to sky country

01:58:25.280 sunshine coast eda uh certainly in the in their time ahead well i just give you a follow uh fellow

01:58:32.400 british columbian thank you for contributing to this sorry go ahead great before you go mark

01:58:38.340 again because because you've been kind of like keeping your eye on the ball of canadian politics

01:58:41.960 for some time um you know we have something happening that's so patently absurd where

01:58:48.000 you can only talk about history a certain way as as if we're all like history we're in like we're

01:58:54.660 in we're in school in a test and it's like if you get the facts wrong on this history you're

01:58:59.760 going to get in trouble except it's like this applies to the entire country it's it's totally

01:59:04.160 insane and why aren't more canadians speaking up about this what's what's your what's your take

01:59:10.660 what's your theory on this well one thing that i would love to discuss on a show that's not 0.99

01:59:15.720 is, you know, for all my life, I thought it was terrible that we interned the Japanese from the

01:59:20.500 Canadian Pacific coast here in 1942. But I no longer feel that way, because I've had a revelation

01:59:27.920 about race and Canadianism and being Canadian and what it means to be Canadian. And if I was

01:59:35.400 talking to someone who's to this day, their family is suing the Canadian government for being

01:59:39.740 interned as Japanese people. And I said, but the Japanese were the most bloodthirsty armada on the 1.00

01:59:46.480 face of the earth, even worse than the Nazis, killing millions of people, raping millions of 1.00

01:59:51.920 women. I said, their legacy is shocking and horrific. Why do you think we shouldn't have 0.99

01:59:57.920 taken you in as a potential danger to the Canadian war effort? And she said, well, we're Canadian. I

02:00:04.760 I said, really, do you think being Canadian supersedes you being Japanese?

02:00:09.000 I mean, when I look at you, do I see Canadian or do I see Japanese?

02:00:12.220 I see Japanese.

02:00:13.760 So does race trump nationality or citizenship or does citizenship trump race and culture?

02:00:21.680 And I don't think it does.

02:00:22.940 I think race and culture trump citizenship.

02:00:26.200 And I think we can see proof of that all over.

02:00:28.140 And I think there was some degree there was a heightened fear of that in World War II, 1.00

02:00:32.020 that the japanese were such a vicious bloodthirsty raping killing murdering uh imperialist force 0.92

02:00:40.020 that it didn't matter what citizenship you were the government couldn't err uh on the side of 0.99

02:00:45.140 caution they had to take you away and and divest you of all your stuff and put you in until the

02:00:49.460 end of the war and now i i'm much more sympathetic to that position than i ever was before because

02:00:55.220 i've been thinking about it i said race and culture trump citizenship it tells me a lot

02:01:00.740 more where you're from, when I look at you and hear you and hear you speak and tell me where

02:01:05.720 you're from, then it does what your citizenship papers might say, whether it says England, France,

02:01:11.140 Canada, or the United States. Right? So anyway, that's just something that's happened to me in

02:01:16.900 recent times. Absolutely, Mario. No, I really appreciate that perspective. And it is so

02:01:22.200 interesting how it only really works in white Western countries where it's like, you know,

02:01:28.960 someone from india can become canadian someone from africa can become part of the uk they can

02:01:37.200 be they can be a brit and i know it's extraordinary because they can't become japanese chinese

02:01:42.180 vietnamese or any place in africa in fact it can only be europe or north america for some reason

02:01:48.260 and this mystifies me as to why white anglo uh english-speaking countries or european countries

02:01:55.420 are expected to take this mass migration of savages, really, in many cases.

02:02:00.560 I mean, just people completely not ready to be integrated into European or English or North American culture. 0.97

02:02:07.900 They're simply not ready for prime time or civilization, and we shouldn't take them. 0.94

02:02:13.600 That last monologue was heckin' based, Mark.

02:02:18.500 Anyway, this is a wonderful show, ladies and gentlemen, and I look forward to another one, Greg.

02:02:23.260 thanks for coming on mark really appreciate it thank you mr mark emory for the prince of pot

02:02:27.940 ladies and gentlemen if i can say one thing about what mark just said too and like this is i think

02:02:33.420 this is essential that people understand this which is what they will tell you is if you are

02:02:37.860 from a european country or european colonial country they will tell you that well actually

02:02:43.180 what makes us who we are is our values you know what makes us english is our values what makes

02:02:48.500 as Canadian is the values we share. What makes us German is the values we share. And it's funny

02:02:53.940 because if you ask them what those values are that make you German or English or Canadian or

02:02:59.320 American or Australian, they're all the same. It's always the same values. It's some vague

02:03:06.200 assertion that we adhere to liberal democratic principles and global, you know, global homo 1.00

02:03:14.880 brown communism that's that's what it always amounts to when they tell you oh well it's our 0.98

02:03:20.080 values that what that make us canadian no it's not it's your blood blood is what makes you english

02:03:26.500 blood is what makes you german blood is what makes you canadian american australian etc

02:03:33.060 and this is the the biggest deception that they've pulled on us in our lifetime is this

02:03:41.660 disconnection between who we actually are and this the supplantation of who we are with some

02:03:48.840 vague value system this is what has allowed them to flood us with all kinds of people from all

02:03:56.200 kinds of places that with it's crucial that people understand that yes by the way one last

02:04:04.860 thing sure i wanted to point out that i stole an idea i heard from i tweeted it out there

02:04:09.260 and it's already got 200 likes. I'll read it to you. Do you think Canada could end up like South

02:04:14.360 Africa, with whites and minorities surrounded by hostile cultural invaders living in their 0.91

02:04:19.200 enclaves throughout Canada, perpetuating their tribal grievances and ethos? In 1981, Vancouver

02:04:25.660 was 85% white. In 2021, Vancouver is just 40% white. In just 40 years, whites became a minority

02:04:32.700 in their own city and that's already got 184 likes in the space of one hour exactly so that's

02:04:39.900 going to be over a thousand likes by the by midnight and uh that's just because somebody i

02:04:45.520 think tolman fairman's toll said that and i thought that's true i happen to know all the information

02:04:50.740 about vancouver and i've been to south africa and i have one of my best friends in the whole world

02:04:56.380 was murdered by three black marauders with guns that broke into his home and murdered him in his

02:05:02.380 bed beside his wife. And I've never like forgiven that or forgotten it. So yeah, that South Africa 0.87

02:05:10.840 reference really stung with me there. So anyway, I just put that out there. And I just heard that

02:05:16.080 on there. So it goes to show you that we're sharing ideas, getting them out there. And that's

02:05:20.120 kind of a good electric kind of thing. Absolutely, Mr. Emery, I really appreciate it. We might have

02:05:26.820 a couple more guests coming in to speak and kind of give their testimony. But in the meantime,

02:05:31.400 let's uh let's bring up some some people who gots gots who gots their hands up i'm pretty sure

02:05:38.640 they're remanded you've been in here uh for a while i think from the beginning so if you wanted

02:05:43.320 to uh ask a question to anybody on the panel or if you had anything to say then by all means

02:05:49.720 unmute yourself and and share hey guys can you hear me okay yep yeah i've had some time to kind

02:05:58.080 of uh rehearsing revise and revise revise kind of what i wanted to say a lot a lot of uh interesting

02:06:05.460 talk here um yeah yeah i mean we're kind of like in i mean i'll have a question for jim um you know

02:06:14.320 i as a as a stay-at-home father of three uh decided you know we me and my wife and i decided

02:06:20.400 to you know homeschool our kids because it just doesn't seem like there's any any real option

02:06:26.020 really it just it's just it's just such a it's just such a chance with with where the world is

02:06:31.420 today um so i'll just kind of preface i guess where i'm at with with that um you know and there's

02:06:38.000 i guess a couple years ago when the dei and the critical race theory and all that stuff kind of

02:06:42.880 started getting pumped up and then um things like municipalities that are uh dei based

02:06:51.760 saying you know essentially well you know we're not gonna we're gonna hide white people last

02:06:57.880 um you know and it just ends up making your children uh kind of like low like at the bottom

02:07:05.500 of the rung where it's just like what kind of future do they have if we're gonna end up as a

02:07:10.580 society boiling everything down to race and so um and we see those things like in in in my wife's

02:07:17.900 work as well where they have the land acknowledgements the um the dei the everything

02:07:23.860 has to be prefaced with uh land acknowledgements and all that stuff and then even in her work and

02:07:29.300 this is one of the things that i'll that i'll hit into before i ask the question um was that we

02:07:33.840 never hear about the chiefs we never hear about the families of the first nations who are looked

02:07:41.520 down upon or don't get funding from the chiefs um when if they speak out on them um one of uh one

02:07:51.560 of the projects my wife was on she had worked on it for i think like a half a year or so

02:07:56.360 and then it got dropped sorry sorry what project what's the project what do you mean project uh

02:08:02.180 school it was it was a new school i don't want to go too far because some people can kind of dive

02:08:07.240 into it and um but it was it was a school that that that was proposed um and she was working on

02:08:13.680 it and so when uh it got dropped um her her boss who specifically works um with uh with first nations

02:08:21.940 um asked you know what happened with the project you know what happened um and it was there were

02:08:27.440 in an election um i guess for for who's to be like the next next chief for x many years um and

02:08:34.240 and the project was dropped and so you know you can kind of you know and this is a thing that

02:08:39.740 never gets brought up you know it's just you know white man bad government bad um but but where's

02:08:45.400 that funding going to and so when you look at the the candidate that that would have been i think it

02:08:51.540 was going to be a would have been a female chief which was i guess was looked down upon um in the

02:08:57.460 politics involved um you know they sided with not having a brand new facility or higher education

02:09:04.300 for that reserve and so that speaks volumes but nobody is able to speak on that um and so i guess

02:09:12.600 i'll kind of go into my question for jim um you know for those because i obviously you're you're

02:09:18.700 well hearst on this and for those that still kind of attempt to have civil discussion or just more

02:09:25.180 information in general you know my kids are going to probably want to know about this stuff

02:09:29.240 um what kind of literature um i mean if it's on your x feed but if we end up having discussions

02:09:35.440 with other p other people you know i know that names are triggers and so if i bring someone up

02:09:41.680 like uh you know joe below whatever people just get triggered then it's a non-sequitur like you

02:09:47.220 can't have the conversation so what literature can we go to that you can provide is there a list

02:09:53.900 Is there something that we can preface with the reports that the governments have come out with?

02:10:00.240 So then the general public who are still looking to find more out about this can then have their own information and facts and not just be like, well, so-and-so said it.

02:10:10.080 And so that's fact.

02:10:10.900 Thank you.

02:10:12.540 Well, I'd be happy to answer that, Greg.

02:10:15.880 Go ahead.

02:10:16.560 Go right ahead.

02:10:17.060 Okay.

02:10:17.760 And so people are wanting to know, they know that the government's lying to them.

02:10:22.260 It was very much 1984 Big Brother, where war is peace, and ignorance is strength, and so forth.

02:10:30.980 So I think there's all sorts of things.

02:10:34.500 Whenever I want to find something, I go to many different places.

02:10:38.700 I think there's a lot of deceit on all sorts of issues in schools, including the ones that are well-known,

02:10:44.300 whether it's gender, trans stuff, race, history, falsification, censorship of literature.

02:10:53.060 There's all sorts of things that kids know they're not getting the goods on.

02:10:57.000 So I don't have any one list.

02:10:59.300 What I recommend as a teacher for kids is to just to develop critical thinking and reflection.

02:11:06.700 And the way I did that, and I think many people do that, is by reading a lot of books

02:11:11.000 because that's what books do.

02:11:13.120 They provide different perspectives

02:11:14.360 and help one think better.

02:11:16.700 So I'm sorry if I'm failing you

02:11:18.420 by not providing you with a list

02:11:19.820 other than just to say

02:11:20.920 the very best thing for children is to read.

02:11:24.120 And if there's any one book

02:11:25.160 that I think is wonderful to read for children

02:11:27.820 is one that was recently banned in Surrey

02:11:29.840 and that's To Kill a Mockingbird

02:11:31.220 because I think the separate moralities

02:11:33.780 of people like Boo Radley

02:11:35.040 and Atticus Finch and Scout Finch

02:11:37.160 and Tom Robinson and so forth.

02:11:39.740 It's just any literary work like that, which gets students to look at things from different perspectives and to, in many ways, question not only their own morality, but question the morality of the society.

02:11:56.280 Thank you.

02:11:57.200 Very interesting.

02:11:58.420 Thank you so much for the question.

02:12:01.100 All right.

02:12:01.960 Who should we call on next?

02:12:04.580 What is it?

02:12:05.180 Is it short and long?

02:12:06.840 Short and long, political atheist.

02:12:08.340 over 20 years of service to my country to go ahead and um unmute yourself and you know ask

02:12:14.500 ask uh jim here a question or share your thoughts on uh residential school denialism versus free

02:12:20.380 speech are you there short and long yeah i'm here uh how's it going i was waiting for you to finish

02:12:27.140 talking you guys got me loud and clear or what yeah yeah we can hear you okay okay cool um yeah

02:12:33.340 you know i used to be a true believer you know when i got in the military i used to believe in

02:12:41.840 the u.n i used to believe in all this crap and i'm a total 180 anymore like i don't i don't 0.82

02:12:47.420 believe in any of this crap um for example it's it's crazy but the big thing i want to talk about 0.94

02:12:56.960 as far as school denialism or residential school denialism i'm sure some heinous things happen 0.99

02:13:03.320 in these schools. Just like any big organization, you know, the Catholic Church has a certain

02:13:08.680 reputation. I'm sure some really crappy stuff happened in the schools. But do you call it

02:13:13.940 a genocide? No. If you want to call it a genocide, and if our Prime Minister calls it a genocide,

02:13:21.100 well, in that case, you need to call it a third body, like the hag, and you need to investigate 0.93

02:13:28.080 this and then that is the pathway to reconciliation but they don't want to do that i brought that up

02:13:36.280 a couple days ago when all this crap was going on and i said hey why don't you guys do that 0.97

02:13:40.480 you're a racist that tells me right off the bat they don't care about reconciliation they don't 0.95

02:13:47.080 care about truth all they want to do is get the gifts and that's it cheers thanks a lot thanks 0.96

02:13:56.240 thanks for sharing that sir um thanks for your service uh let's go off to what is this lissette

02:14:03.380 lissette are you there do you have a question for jim or any comments on residential school

02:14:10.360 denialism lissette hi hi guys can you hear me i can hear you yes okay all right first of all

02:14:17.860 thanks a lot for having the space excuse me and thanks a lot for having me up here

02:14:24.660 I think all of us know why they're doing this.

02:14:29.420 And it's just another form of white guilt, right?

02:14:32.720 So in America, you have slavery.

02:14:35.540 But we didn't have slavery that bad, even though we were told we did. 1.00

02:14:41.160 So, you know, we have to go with, you know, Aboriginals. 1.00

02:14:44.420 And we know in Australia, they're going with their Aboriginals. 0.97

02:14:47.500 And of course, in Europe, they're going with colonialism. 0.95

02:14:49.900 So it's all the same playbook.

02:14:51.580 so like why are we even bothering to like debate it like was it good was it bad hey i went to

02:14:58.380 catholic school i had it bad too like that's crazy like it's a psyop it's a great and the only way

02:15:08.320 out of it is just say no like in my neighborhood i have signs on the i've seen signs on poles that 0.99

02:15:15.120 say we are on uh stolen land and i get my sharpie and when no one's looking i write fuck off on it 0.92

02:15:21.200 like I don't put up with it and I think like Canadians we are just so nice right like hey 0.96

02:15:31.200 oh you know I went to school and I had a bed too but hey like don't you see what's going on 0.50

02:15:37.740 don't you see what you're doing to white people that they are guiltiness out to the point where 0.59

02:15:42.780 we're just going to roll over and give it all away which is what is happening and it's already 0.96

02:15:48.840 being done will it go well all these savages coming in all these savages are going into 1.00

02:15:52.880 employment they're going into management they're going into government they're taking over they're 1.00

02:15:58.900 going to be they're going to be making the laws already the guy who wants to pass the law on 0.98

02:16:03.800 canceling our free speech he's he's an immigrant from he's an indian by by way of dubai by way of

02:16:11.920 africa or something rather it's uganda uganda yeah yeah i mean i i appreciate your perspective

02:16:20.280 which is you know why are we giving any of this the benefit of the doubt you're because you're

02:16:25.380 right especially if you look across the world everything's kind of happening in the same way

02:16:29.660 just same with covid everything kind of happened the same way right it was like let's let's lock

02:16:34.500 people down it was the same way across the world and there's the specific to this issue 0.84

02:16:39.800 let's use indigenous people and indigenous people as a as a crowbar to kind of pull away or push 0.86

02:16:47.740 away um the you know usually europe european descended population from from their rights 0.98

02:16:54.680 from their land from their their identity itself and you know aside and you know it's not us i

02:17:02.060 worry about it's young people imagine growing up and having to say every morning like i don't know 0.96

02:17:08.960 what they say like we're on stolen land or something or other and imagine all the crap 0.93

02:17:14.380 that they're teaching and a lot of teachers today aren't white like a lot of them especially in 0.94

02:17:20.400 cities they're from india they're from pakistan they're from all over the place do you think that 0.56

02:17:26.440 they're gonna they're gonna rub in the white guilt isn't it in their best interest to do so

02:17:30.880 it's certainly trendy it's certainly a trendy thing that is uh endorsed and basically co-signed

02:17:38.080 by a lot of the political and media establishment in this country so you certainly bring up a lot

02:17:43.820 of good points uh lysette uh is there is there anything else you want wanted to uh say before

02:17:48.560 we move on to someone else my name is lizette but anyway okay what i want to say is like white 0.71

02:17:54.800 canadians what is wrong with us why are we so fucking weak like when i go in spaces hosted by 0.94

02:18:03.060 like Americans they are so the men they are so you know and Canadians it's like well you know 1.00

02:18:11.860 like we don't have any spine and so many white Canadians are virtue signers right huge massive 0.65

02:18:22.220 virtue signers and it's the good whites versus the bad whites and hey guess what where's the bad 0.64

02:18:28.560 whites and you want to want to know why the people's maxine bernier's party because good

02:18:34.720 white canada won't tolerate maxine bernier they can't handle donald trump like can't real you 0.96

02:18:42.600 really think maxine bernier has a chance anyway that's all i have to say i'm disgusted with

02:18:48.800 canada that's it hey thanks so much for sharing that i definitely definitely related to a lot of 0.98

02:18:54.800 what you're saying there why are we so why are we such pussies you look at 0.87

02:18:58.360 America and they have this autonomy about themselves our Constitution and in 0.90

02:19:03.120 some ways the Constitution thing it's like well it'd be better if it was more

02:19:07.800 about you know the identity of the country and not a piece of paper but

02:19:11.280 still like we don't even have that to rely on here in Canada we were known as

02:19:15.800 peacekeepers we have a reputation for being kind and passive but it's gotten

02:19:19.700 to be it's weak and and complacent right and that's also a lie I it is a lie oh it is a lie

02:19:26.340 but that was our reputation on the world stage well it became if I'm not mistaken it kind of

02:19:30.740 became our reputation somewhere around like the I think like the 50s or the 60s where that became 0.97

02:19:36.900 the whole like rhetoric of like we're we're a bunch of pussy peacekeepers when in reality 0.52

02:19:41.280 there's there's a lot of really cool Canadian history that uh that I'd love to hear more about 0.51

02:19:47.620 but you know it's gonna it's gonna take where this really is part of the reason i started say

02:19:51.920 free speech.ca is like you know i want to look at the more sort of long-term solution like there's

02:19:56.080 not going to be any sort of simple solutions to uh to what we're facing you know they're trying

02:20:00.140 to take away our freedom freedom of speech uh with multiple different vectors of attack no one

02:20:05.120 seems to be opposing mass migration and demographic replacement which is becoming abundantly obvious

02:20:09.340 even to people who are apolitical in this country which is fascinating and unfortunately as it was

02:20:14.460 kind of mentioned the ppc really isn't tapping into that in in a more effective way than i think

02:20:19.580 they should oh they are they are bernier just posted a picture of a seat shitting near a river 0.95

02:20:25.160 and said canada is becoming a shithole country no way which is the kind which is the kind of 0.98

02:20:31.240 rhetoric that i have been dying for yes and max will do it see what what i found it interesting

02:20:37.520 when lizette was going off there because the truth is canadians are becoming more racially

02:20:41.940 conscious in the last year or so than they have been probably since the 50s or 60s and it's almost

02:20:48.200 entirely due to mass immigration specifically from india nothing will radicalize you more than being 0.99

02:20:54.280 surrounded with indians because they are so diametrically different to us in every conceivable 1.00

02:20:59.520 way that when you're just placed in the vicinity of them and forced to live amongst them it's going 1.00

02:21:04.080 to have an effect on your racial consciousness and make you understand that hey i don't really

02:21:09.160 like living like this and as you're seeing canadians are becoming slowly more vicious

02:21:15.320 towards foreigners and i think this is a trend that's going to continue and it will it will only

02:21:21.160 be exacerbated by the fact that there's not a single institution uh you know uh department

02:21:28.180 of government there's no organizations academic institute like with the exception of arguably the

02:21:34.100 PPC there's nothing that's giving these people an outlet for how they feel and how they rightly feel

02:21:40.740 like they're totally justified in feeling this way about their situation and in a situation like that

02:21:46.860 what you will find is that inevitably that ire that contempt that dissatisfaction will be directed

02:21:53.060 towards the people who are causing it so I don't know you don't have to like it but I think it's

02:21:59.940 important to understand that Canadians are probably going to become a lot more racist in the future

02:22:03.500 And it's like, look, it's directly result. It's very easy to say like, oh, I have no problem with Indians or Chinese. I have no problem with these people when you don't live next to them constantly.

02:22:13.700 You know, fences make good neighbors, right? But when you force all these people into the same city, and there's no dominant culture, and everybody's vying for their own collective ethnic interests, watch how quickly that that disintegrates into just a tribal, you know, conflict or, you know, confrontation, it's inevitably going to get worse, and nobody's doing anything about it. 0.91

02:22:40.900 And so even just seeing that from Bernier, Bernier has been really good the last week, I've noticed.

02:22:45.600 And it's because he's tapping into this very primal, very vulgar, very brutal.

02:22:51.860 I like the term grug, you know, caveman kind of tribalism.

02:22:56.800 Like, I don't know that that is the most look, it's the most powerful argument.

02:23:00.540 I know this is not what the space is about.

02:23:02.160 And I don't mean to hijack it.

02:23:03.420 He's changed his two.

02:23:04.480 He's been doing since our conference in Victoria, there was a lot of people just plain speaking.

02:23:08.900 And he knew he was affecting the crowds more with his plain, plain speech, and just being real. And the way he's, and a lot of people were saying, you got to, you got to kick up your social media presence, you know, you really got to get at that. And I think he's changing his ways. I mean, not that he wasn't, it's just being, it's more obvious now. And I really, really like what he's saying and what he's doing. And that's exactly what we need. And I know it can be crass, it can be a little Trumpish, whatever. I don't give a shit. It needs, we need that. We absolutely need that.

02:23:38.900 Yeah. And, you know, it's definitely not irrelevant to the space because, you know, I think we've done a good job at defining the problem here. And it is related to racial identity because residential school denialism and, you know, Truth and Reconciliation Day, I do believe like the main goal or the main sort of outcome is let's normalize the resentment and hatred of white people.

02:24:01.760 and uh you know in effect that's kind of what uh what's happening and really Bernier with his

02:24:09.440 platform with an established party with the fact that he does have tenure in the house of commons

02:24:14.000 there's a lot of legitimacy there he is he he really is the best positioned to help fight

02:24:19.900 against this help fight back against this and I think um yeah I think maybe it will be worthwhile

02:24:25.640 to to have a space on that I I do I mean it was sort of a private conversation but I did go to a

02:24:30.940 ppc event last week uh and i did get a chance to speak to him and i was explaining to him i was

02:24:36.880 showing him like the instagram and i'm like yo like all of the and i was going to six buzz for

02:24:41.040 those who don't know six buzz that they really post a lot of uh you know inflammatory kind of

02:24:46.060 like clickbait rage bait outrageous dramatic stuff if people didn't know there was a recent

02:24:51.180 video of a uber eats driver spitting in someone's drink which is just like so such detestable

02:24:59.120 behavior uh see greg this this is the thing that i find so fascinating i was talking about this on

02:25:05.520 the last i heard your take on this i heard your take on this and it's so fascinating to me that

02:25:10.100 it's like you know for years i've been trying to tell canadians like look it's affecting housing

02:25:14.700 look it's affecting health care look you know it's it's suppressing wages it's making it so that

02:25:19.780 your kids can't get an entry-level job it's you know disenfranchising you it's it's you know

02:25:25.600 it's creating a population trap it's destroying our economy it's a complete drain on a like all

02:25:31.600 these things and these are all true and they're all valid and they're all good arguments but you

02:25:35.800 know what that that isn't what really worked surprisingly at convincing canadians that mass

02:25:40.860 immigration is not good for them surprisingly what it takes is seeing a an uber eats driver

02:25:47.180 spit in somebody's drink apparently that's that's it's seeing a seek man pooping next to a river

02:25:52.740 That's what really does it. It's seeing an Indian, you know, take his ass out at a gas station. It's watching, you know, Muslims poach fish in a river. Like it's not none of these, these charts, these statistics, these economic arguments, they don't work as well as just, hey, these people suck. Like, look at what they're doing to our country. Like, it's fascinating to me that unfortunately, I don't even necessarily like it. 1.00

02:26:18.000 But the truth is, this kind of like just basic tribalism is actually what's going to wake Canadians up more than any kind of academic or intellectual argument you can make about it.

02:26:28.180 It's just the reality.

02:26:29.460 It is a fascinating phenomenon that we've seen over the past maybe, what, six to nine months where having an anti-immigrant sentiment is becoming more popular.

02:26:40.360 And as I said earlier, like with apolitical people.

02:26:42.520 And I think you're absolutely right.

02:26:44.460 It's like, OK, now that they're spitting and they're spitting in someone's Uber Eats delivery, like, OK, maybe maybe this is a problem.

02:26:50.860 And I think, you know, to get into the psychology real quick, the the the the disgust instinct is like a very strong and deep one that we all have.

02:27:00.440 And it sort of supersedes your politics, you know, even if you're like a far left progressive.

02:27:05.880 It's like you see something disgusting like that and it's like, wait a minute. 0.53

02:27:09.940 Maybe I am a bit racist. Wait, what's going on here?

02:27:12.260 you know it's and it and it is you're talking about this earlier ferriman which is you know

02:27:16.360 we are sobering up to this reality this tribal reality of multiculturalism like you know we've

02:27:23.740 seen justin trudeau for the past nine years preach the benefits of diversity and multiculturalism and

02:27:29.920 it's here now it's here how do we like it how do we like it and of course there's very very

02:27:36.080 ugly uh realities to that and um i mean what else is there to say other than you know the far right

02:27:44.440 continues to be vindicated you know it's uh it's it's so this is kind of off topic but it's so

02:27:50.840 funny that you know the ppc and max bernier iran in 2019 gets thrown under the bus for daring to

02:27:58.700 oppose multiculturalism and mass migration and now the same journalists who are smearing us in 2019

02:28:04.360 are like maybe mass migration is a problem here's why it's like you know it's just yeah

02:28:11.200 um just that guys i just want to do some housekeeping can we drop a few and get some

02:28:16.680 people back like on the panel uh like maybe somebody who has done speaking can we drop down

02:28:22.760 and let a few more people up please yeah that would be great um uh did you want to say something

02:28:29.500 fairy i was going to go to the sun oh i i was just going to say the thing that i find really

02:28:33.400 fascinating about this ppc arc is that you know look in hindsight it's easy to see this now but

02:28:40.380 the truth is that everything they did to try and convince you know the people that they weren't

02:28:45.480 racist and that you know really it was not about uh you know race it was about culture and it wasn't

02:28:51.840 about you know any particular group any of this kind of stuff in hindsight that was the mistake

02:28:57.360 they should have just leaned into it from the beginning um because the truth is that the only

02:29:02.020 way that you can defeat these accusations is by not caring about them anymore you win whenever

02:29:07.940 you stop trying to convince people you're not racist and you just say okay i'm racist now what

02:29:13.160 yep absolutely now now okay i admit it i'm racist now let's talk about what's actually going on

02:29:19.660 perfect and that's exactly what the politicians were afraid of i don't want to be called a racist

02:29:23.140 so they don't talk exactly and to be to be frank i think that bernier was he was playing this game

02:29:28.660 And I think to honestly, from the way I see it until very recently, he was playing this game of I'm not going to be like, I'm going to do everything I can to not be perceived as being racist. And from what I'm seeing now, it seems like he's decided that, you know, fuck it, let's, let's do it. Because this is not working. This game of, of, you know, being well, I'm not right. It's never going to work. 0.98

02:29:51.420 Because for the reasons I stated earlier, these people aren't actually, they don't actually believe you're racist or if they do, there's no way that you're going to convince them that you are racist. It's purely a power game. Their only concern is how can I silence you? It's not, again, it's not a good faith position that they come from.

02:30:11.100 the only thing they're trying to do is is beat you it's a pure power game it's pure it's pure

02:30:17.060 just basic aggressive uh you know cutthroat politics that's the game you're they're playing

02:30:24.040 and you're playing the game of well if we can just convince enough people that we're not racist then 0.69

02:30:28.280 maybe we can talk about you know ending mass immigration it's never going to work you have

02:30:32.480 to just lean into it yeah yeah and and it's it is super misguided and naive because you know the

02:30:38.420 liberal establishment has made the rules

02:30:40.880 and the rules are you can't

02:30:42.720 advocate for yourself or else

02:30:44.600 we'll call you evil

02:30:45.500 and then right wing people are like okay

02:30:48.660 let's play by those rules that's the rules

02:30:50.780 that the conservative party is playing by

02:30:52.640 the one is to self censor

02:30:54.520 yeah we have to play by the liberal

02:30:56.480 establishment's rules and it's like okay

02:30:58.680 so you're you know we can't have the media

02:31:00.680 call us a name and it's like okay so you're going to lose every

02:31:02.700 single debate and you're going to continue to slide

02:31:04.640 to the left and we've all seen this happen

02:31:06.480 let's move on to

02:31:08.260 uh the son of plaid mr edgy d you had a video recently where you went to the uh you know it's

02:31:13.960 it's not missing it's definitely adjacent to what we're talking about uh you went to what was it

02:31:19.000 like a diversity town hall yeah so in sync uh first of all thanks for having this space it's

02:31:26.300 great to hear everyone's perspective on this um yeah if you don't use your free speech you're

02:31:33.020 going to lose it and i went uh with very little notice on what was actually going on i i found out

02:31:40.720 about it on the morning of and so in saint catherine's uh they were hosting a town hall

02:31:47.820 meeting for dei and specifically they have a dei action plan for 23 2023 to 2027 for the whole

02:31:57.880 niagara region but uh this was to ask questions to the mayor of st catherine's so i asked him

02:32:05.400 point blank using the the terminology from his own di action papers that they abide by

02:32:14.300 why they have excluded white people and uh it was my first time ever uh speaking at a town hall

02:32:24.140 meeting and it was very eye-opening eye-opening and uh revealing as to how these things work

02:32:30.960 because i was met with sneers heckling derision from a whole like dozens of activists who all

02:32:39.120 knew each other and all knew the mayor on a first name basis and all were all were pulling in his

02:32:45.820 pant leg trying to get whatever they can from him but uh i thought that was very revealing

02:32:51.780 yeah yeah and it's it's it speaks to what i think the ferryman was saying earlier which is you know

02:32:57.880 bipoc is everything about white people diversity is everything about white people and um yeah like

02:33:06.580 these are things that people need to sort of uh wake up to and similar to what we're doing with

02:33:12.500 safe free speech safe free speech.ca you know stopping hate uh that's every form of hatred

02:33:20.000 that's against BIPOC people

02:33:22.020 and against diverse people so like you can 0.99

02:33:23.900 like hating white people and 0.99

02:33:26.000 hating Canadian history hating patriots 1.00

02:33:28.080 hating right wingers like all of that is

02:33:30.020 actually co-signed and

02:33:31.800 ignored by the Canadian

02:33:34.060 anti-hate network has actually explicitly

02:33:35.980 said this these are the hate experts

02:33:38.100 in Canada who have explicitly

02:33:40.240 said we focus on the

02:33:42.040 far right and we're proudly anti-fascist

02:33:44.440 so the hate experts

02:33:46.160 are like yeah we

02:33:47.160 we don't really care about 0.93

02:33:49.780 hatred towards or violence for that matter uh towards white people uh and it's all baked into 0.86

02:33:56.880 the cake right because like it's not just bipoc that's just one very uh obvious example of it

02:34:04.180 because obviously it includes everybody but white people but marginalized people vulnerable groups

02:34:11.140 protected peoples they have about like five or ten different synonyms for this exact same term

02:34:18.060 which ultimately includes everybody but white people right right um and is there anything else

02:34:26.640 that you wanted to uh to add there mr mr edgy d mr uh son of planet yeah i would just say that

02:34:34.200 it was kind of a joke experiencing what was like what goes on at a town hall and how these

02:34:42.200 municipal politics actually worked but at the end of the day it felt amazing speaking my mind

02:34:48.220 there uh despite all the the the attempts at humiliation they tried to do to you

02:34:55.280 it was great it was like like getting it was like like relieving myself of like taking this load off

02:35:07.100 of my chest essentially and i would suggest that everybody does it in public every chance that they

02:35:12.980 can get come prepared and give your opinion and fight back against them because day in and day

02:35:19.780 out these perpetual left-wing activists are at these town hall meetings they have uh they have

02:35:27.860 the ear of the mayor your city councillors everybody so we need to start going into their

02:35:34.880 territory and telling them that they have some opposition i i totally agree with that and i know

02:35:41.440 there's a lot of people who say like hey like there's no political solution and i understand

02:35:45.760 where they're coming from but you know we need to stop being so overwhelmed with fear with

02:35:50.360 everything that's going on and look at the long term and start looking at solutions and looking

02:35:55.660 at winning over yeah normies apolitical people because because as things get crazier and more

02:36:00.420 insane they're going to be looking for solutions normies are going to be looking for solutions

02:36:05.620 and when people like us start to you know build organizations or building a following or building

02:36:11.740 a network or community of like-minded people who are you know trying to do the right thing uh like

02:36:17.140 it's it's important to start building that up so when people actually do get red pilled in some

02:36:22.040 in some sense there will be a solution now um i want to bring uh chanel on uh i need to go find

02:36:28.280 the tweet but um i'm going to give a quick sort of like summary of uh how you know how you're

02:36:34.580 related to the residential school denial talk uh when it comes to free speech but essentially

02:36:39.220 a conservative and correct me if i'm wrong chanel a conservative politician said hey uh speaking of

02:36:47.860 residential schools where uh kids were mistreated by you know government sort of institutions or

02:36:53.860 like government mandates there's this thing going on right now called the gender ideology 0.98

02:36:57.700 where it's taking parental rights away 1.00

02:37:00.200 where kids are sort of being prey 1.00

02:37:02.060 victim to this gender ideology where

02:37:03.940 down the line they might be convinced 1.00

02:37:06.060 to chemically castrate themselves

02:37:08.100 or go on hormones as a child

02:37:10.100 and potentially ruin

02:37:12.180 their lives because their minds have been

02:37:13.920 indoctrinated with very questionable

02:37:16.060 material and sorry the

02:37:18.000 conservative politician who said this made this

02:37:19.960 comparison has been cancelled

02:37:22.000 they're being disavowed by

02:37:24.180 the conservative

02:37:25.920 party that they're in but but i apologize i apologize chanel maybe i butchered that i don't

02:37:30.960 even know if it's provincial conservative or what but could you fill in the blanks for us

02:37:34.240 hi by the way yeah hi so it's sherry wilson she's a pc candidate for in new brunswick and i don't

02:37:42.980 think she was necessarily disavowed i don't think she is actually canceled or anything she's still

02:37:47.580 running but she did delete her statement which is unfortunate um she had it posted around 2 p.m

02:37:54.020 on Truth and Reconciliation Day.

02:37:57.640 And then I think she had it deleted by about 11.

02:38:00.920 A follower told me that.

02:38:02.460 So I only saw it the next day.

02:38:04.380 So I came to her defense not knowing she had already deleted it.

02:38:07.620 Then I saw that the premier had, I think his comment was that she missed the mark

02:38:15.580 with that statement.

02:38:18.880 And he obviously had a lot of pressure from, well, the woke mob.

02:38:24.020 to not let her run

02:38:26.280 anymore. I don't think

02:38:28.360 he has caved

02:38:29.240 to those demands. He just

02:38:32.220 basically said she shouldn't have said it

02:38:34.180 but he's keeping her in

02:38:36.060 I think so.

02:38:50.000 ...

02:38:54.020 Thank you.

02:39:24.000 the stuff i post i'm actually finding myself like i um i basically just look up what they're doing

02:39:31.680 i've i have an alternate twitter account and i follow a lot of them and i know what they're up to

02:39:36.800 and i know what keywords they use and i just spend a lot of time um searching for exactly what

02:39:46.560 they're doing because a lot of these teachers are proud to be uh promoting woke ideology in

02:39:52.640 in their classroom right they think that they're doing the right thing they'll take a picture of

02:39:56.080 what they did that day what book they read what activity they did and then they'll post it and

02:40:00.160 they'll say yay look at me look at this inclusive activity i did and i screenshot that um and i

02:40:07.340 post it and i just give the info of what happened um yeah yeah and one tweet i remember that you

02:40:14.760 shared uh and i certainly think it's relevant to the residential school denialism uh day because

02:40:20.920 you know people in the space have kind of been making this argument that it really feels like

02:40:24.940 it's validating the resentment and hatred towards Canadians who are white or Canadians who are proud

02:40:31.240 at all of our history and you posted it said something about white girl tears are something

02:40:41.720 about oppressing you know uh like like oh yeah um that was one and then the other one talked about

02:40:52.940 like what is privilege or something as well um but i guess if you could you know we don't need

02:40:58.900 the act like we know it's out there you don't need to like go go searching for it but maybe

02:41:03.040 in like broad brushstrokes like like what what kind of trend are you seeing when it comes to this

02:41:07.500 um in terms of the material being taught in school around white privilege have you seen any

02:41:13.820 that's about uh the residential school stuff oh yeah there's a lot there's a lot about the

02:41:20.060 the decolonization stuff there's um lies about residential schools there's schools that are you

02:41:27.140 know still to this day putting up 215 ribbons or 215 whatever it is to um honor the lives lost

02:41:36.920 things like that um there's a lot more happening that I like obviously the indoctrination happens

02:41:45.120 all the time then there's a small small portion of the teachers who are indoctrinating who post

02:41:49.960 about it then there's a small small portion of those that I see and a small portion of those

02:41:56.120 that I post so like this is happening way more than people imagine it to be happening I think

02:42:03.220 I've been in a school myself I mean I'm not a teacher anymore but I was a teacher up until

02:42:09.220 2021 and I saw it in my own school teachers were talking about activities they did with their class

02:42:15.800 on white privilege and all this stuff this was early on when I was still I used to be somewhat

02:42:22.040 woke adjacent and then I woke up in 2020 so I was still piecing it together a little bit that year

02:42:28.580 and I was observing more than anything but there was a lot of really crazy stuff happening

02:42:33.040 and just parents need to be paying attention.

02:42:56.740 Okay.

02:43:03.040 Thank you.

02:43:33.040 I mean, I'm I'm afraid I'm not going to be that hopeful person.

02:43:38.040 I'm quite cynical about everything that's happening at this point.

02:43:42.040 There's not many people speaking up in twenty twenty one when I stopped teaching.

02:43:49.040 I spoke up about it and at the time I thought, OK, this is going to be it like people.

02:43:54.040 Other people are going to follow suit and we're going to get like a big, large number of teachers who come out and say, look, this is not OK.

02:44:01.040 okay. And that just hasn't really happened. There are some teachers like Jim McMurtry and a few

02:44:07.920 others that have come out, but it's a very small number. I think in schools, teachers that I talk

02:44:17.200 to, I have a lot of contacts in different schools across the country, and a lot of them say they

02:44:23.800 don't think that most of the teachers are enthusiastic about this stuff. However, nobody's

02:44:30.740 really speaking up against it. So everybody's just silent. And

02:44:36.080 you can't really get that far with with.

02:44:40.040 Yeah, and man, that really pains me to hear that. You know, I've

02:44:46.640 started this project save free speech.ca to stop Bill C 63. And

02:44:51.080 you know, one one thing is stopping a legislation, which

02:44:54.140 would, you know, essentially allow the government to easily

02:44:56.900 weaponize this new legislation against people who they don't

02:44:59.700 like or have the wrong opinion or who intensely dislike someone like you know to give you an

02:45:03.920 example when it comes to uh you know the gender indoctrination if i were to publicly disavow

02:45:10.400 this gender indoctrination you could argue that i'm bullying a trans child and get my stuff taken

02:45:16.320 down off the internet and then say that you know all sorts of stuff it's it's crazy what's in this

02:45:20.100 bill but i've realized that you know the cultural stuff is almost even more important which is do

02:45:26.580 canadians even want their free speech they don't even use their free speech they all agree not all

02:45:32.420 of them but like many people agree that they disagree with the gender ideology or that maybe

02:45:36.580 they disagree with this uh you know sort of colonization narrative of of white um privilege

02:45:43.860 but no one says anything no one says anything everyone's too afraid to say something um and

02:45:49.720 it's like okay if that continues to be the case do we even deserve our free speech like do we even

02:45:55.220 have the will as canadians to even fight for our free speech like that this is kind of what keeps

02:45:59.540 me up at night and i'm hoping to you know push encourage canadians in the right direction but

02:46:03.880 you know what are your your thoughts on that chanel

02:46:06.120 i mean i totally agree it's like when are people going to wake up so many people think

02:46:13.480 that this is just a little phase and it's going to pass and you know it's not a big deal if we're

02:46:18.240 writing things into law and passing bills against uh free expression and all that and that's just

02:46:24.280 not the case it's like i guess canadians are just we seem to be quite ignorant of um history and how

02:46:33.120 thank you silver man and buddy for the hundred dollars i'm authoritarian and totalitarian

02:46:38.900 it starts in with small steps right so we need to do something about it now and just

02:46:45.580 it's through being courageous hopefully inspire others to be courageous

02:46:49.760 yeah yeah the totalitarian tiptoe as they call it like you know it's slowly but surely it

02:46:56.660 encroaches upon us and um it's simple but i think you're right it's as simple as being courageous

02:47:03.300 and and standing up and i really think that a lot of the people in the sort of right wing right now

02:47:08.980 uh you know in in this twitter space who are you know further right i think that um you know

02:47:16.600 we're going to look back and be like yeah we were the early adopters of just standing up

02:47:21.100 and and telling the truth you know what i mean um i think that we're on the right side of history

02:47:25.880 we have the truth on their side all these things and uh that's why we're all here there's something

02:47:31.480 inside all of us that's kind of drawing us to be like uh something is wrong here i cannot just shut

02:47:37.940 up about this right and i think that's very powerful that we're able the people on this call

02:47:42.820 are able to listen to that

02:47:44.460 and to speak up

02:47:46.640 and do the right thing.

02:47:50.740 I'm curious

02:47:51.780 where should we go next?

02:47:55.520 Chanel, did you want to add anything else?

02:47:57.620 Maybe we'll bring on

02:47:59.340 someone to ask a question.

02:48:02.820 Mel Tell has been waiting a while too.

02:48:05.320 Is anyone getting

02:48:06.260 the sort of like

02:48:07.500 the jagged audio going on right now?

02:48:09.960 Just one thing.

02:48:10.920 Sorry.

02:48:12.820 go ahead can you hear me okay yeah yeah or is it just me it might just be on my end to be honest

02:48:20.060 oh go ahead chanel go ahead okay hopefully um so i was just gonna say one thing like i've heard a

02:48:27.480 lot of talk i've been in and out so i haven't heard the whole conversation but i hear people

02:48:32.060 say like and talk about white people or like indians or whatever right we're talking about

02:48:39.140 these groups and i just really hope that people are making the difference or distinguishing between

02:48:44.100 an ideology that claims to represent these groups and the people in these groups because personally

02:48:52.580 i don't care if you're indigenous or if you're indian or whatever i i view you as an individual

02:48:59.560 i'm going to have respect for you i'm going to treat you i want is for people to

02:49:05.940 um start how to like you know what i mean um i just really hope that people will continue to

02:49:15.840 um judge people as individuals and not as a member of their group i think that's a dangerous

02:49:23.520 road to go down yeah i mean i think what you're alluding to here uh or like the way i would

02:49:28.960 describing is um focusing on what you love and what you prefer and not being caught up in and

02:49:36.520 in the fear and the resentment and uh like dwelling in the hatred you know because because

02:49:43.060 i think that the issue here especially when it comes to the residential school denialism and

02:49:48.360 what's being taught in school about right white privilege is you know every single member of the

02:49:53.240 bipoc black indigenous person of color they can totally celebrate their history where they come

02:49:58.140 from everything uh but the second that a white person tries to do that uh they get villainized

02:50:03.760 they get demonized and i think it is important um at when fighting this fight is to is to not

02:50:11.520 get caught up in in the resentment and the fear and the hatred because then it then we almost

02:50:17.960 fulfill the prophecy of acting like demons because we're not focused on on the love and the self

02:50:24.340 respect for me it's about self-respect and it's about honoring myself it's about honoring like

02:50:30.420 you know my ancestors and the country and what's good about it and kind of not letting people uh

02:50:35.720 rewrite history and uh sort of right absolutely you should yeah like i i agree with that you

02:50:42.300 should be just you shouldn't be made to feel guilty about being white you should be you should

02:50:47.340 be proud of your heritage that's fine what i'm saying is um like there is a difference between

02:50:53.680 uh the the ideology being pushed like the ideas being wrong or or crappy and the actual

02:51:03.980 people that we're dealing with like we do you know what i mean like we're just i think we're

02:51:10.660 falling into this slippery slope where we're kind of painting with the same brush so lgbt people for

02:51:20.820 example are not the queer ideology those are separate things so uh like i i just i just see

02:51:34.820 the ideology and the people

02:51:37.460 uh-oh

02:51:42.700 uh-oh is anything working right now my twitter space is really lagging at the moment

02:51:50.820 Is it working again? Can you guys hear me? Can you hear me? Greg? Can you hear me? I can hear you guys fine. So, okay. Okay. I think my computer. I can hear Greg fine.

02:52:03.780 Can you, you guys can hear me? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I go ahead. Ferryman. I think it's interesting what Chanel just said.

02:52:14.500 so this is something that gets brought up a lot and uh i this used this argument used to resonate

02:52:23.480 with me the individualist argument the idea that like look if we can all just get all get along a

02:52:29.760 lot easier chat what do i do how do i fix this this is nonsense i'm sorry i i know you don't

02:52:39.480 have to like it i don't necessarily like it all the time either but the reality is that um you

02:52:44.780 know the the term identity politics gets thrown out all the time the truth is that politics is

02:52:50.820 an identity game that's exactly what it is politics has always been about serving certain

02:52:57.140 identifiable groups was about protecting specific folk a specific ethnic group this is why we have

02:53:08.660 these things. Politics is something that derived or evolved as a way of allowing a group to face

02:53:17.160 existential threats. It was about being able to mobilize your people. The modern nation state

02:53:22.400 itself is an expression of ethnic identity. Everything we have in this world, these kinds

02:53:27.960 of systems, and basically what they've done is contrived a situation where they tell every other

02:53:32.820 identifiable group that they are allowed to act in their collective interests as they actively

02:53:37.020 tell you that when you do it you're the woke right and that's identity politics and that's bad

02:53:41.760 you are being handcuffed as you are being beaten to death and then you're being told that if you

02:53:48.220 act in your own interests you're evil i'm sorry i i wish we could have the world that chanel is

02:53:55.000 describing where we just didn't judge each other based on these things and we didn't see the

02:53:59.420 difference in race and we didn't see these things but it's just not true and unless we uh you know

02:54:04.160 Canadians, white Canadians start asserting ourselves as a group and, you know, looking out

02:54:09.740 for our own interests and identifying that we are, in fact, a distinct group, that we do have a

02:54:14.500 specific set of values, that we do have a distinct culture, history, heritage, you know, all of these

02:54:19.640 things, then we're just going to be continued to be walked all over by these other groups.

02:54:24.900 So I don't know. I mean, I hear you. That's my perspective on it. I'm tired. I'll put it this

02:54:29.920 way i'm tired of of being told that i have to be an individual while all of these other groups are 0.99

02:54:36.000 you know coalesced into one bipoc mob and then used to bludgeon me so you know what it's not for 0.55

02:54:43.700 me i think it's not for me to stop acting in my collective interest if you want that i would 0.99

02:54:50.000 suggest you take that to the bipoc and to the left and you tell them to stop doing it because it's not

02:54:55.800 us who started this it's the other side and so now this has become a matter of survival if we

02:55:01.420 don't start asserting ourselves as a collective group we are doomed okay i find it really

02:55:06.520 interesting that you think that you see it as they're pushing you to be more of an individual

02:55:12.420 or less of a collective because i actually see it

02:55:15.440 well they are i think they're trying to make us into more of a collective and forget our individual

02:55:22.940 Liberalism is individualism.

02:55:24.780 Hold on, hold on. Let Chanel reply.

02:55:30.620 Enhance, please.

02:55:32.160 Well, that's basically all I wanted to say is just

02:55:34.380 point out that I just think that's interesting

02:55:36.840 because from my perspective,

02:55:38.640 they're trying to eliminate

02:55:40.280 individualism, and from your

02:55:42.640 perspective, they're trying to

02:55:44.180 eliminate collectivism

02:55:46.560 and make you into an individualism.

02:55:49.220 I'm sorry. This sucks, 0.98

02:55:50.780 guys. I'm sorry. I don't know why. 0.60

02:55:51.880 They are trying to eliminate your individualism if you are part of the minority groups, which isn't even a minority group anymore. 0.61

02:56:00.460 If you are white, they are trying to individualize you and atomize you as much as possible. 0.73

02:56:05.320 Because fundamentally, the system that we currently live under operates entirely under a framework which is anti-white. 0.55

02:56:12.900 So what happens to a white person who talks the talk of the ideology, goes along, admits their white privilege? 1.00

02:56:21.880 they're treated really well what happens to a black person who says hey i don't like this shit 0.99

02:56:26.420 they're going to be treated just the same as us so i think we have to revise that theory that it's 1.00

02:56:30.920 all about hating white people actually it's very it's very simple it's about hating people who 0.90

02:56:36.300 don't go along with the ideology what you've just described is two different kinds of traitors 0.99

02:56:40.660 so for example the white people who engage in this anti-white system yeah they're called traitors

02:56:45.880 they've existed for as long as you know humans have you know documented recorded history you 0.97

02:56:51.000 know they open the gates of toledo they're the benedict arnolds they're the you know insert your

02:56:55.780 example that you'd like of of a traitor of course they exist these are people who put their own

02:57:01.960 selfish interests above those of their people and their heritage which is why they're willing to

02:57:06.820 throw everybody else under the bus if it gives them a better place in the regime the other

02:57:12.400 example you gave of say a black person who doesn't go along with it is perceived as being a traitor 0.69

02:57:17.780 by the other side because they have have gone against their collective interest and so the

02:57:23.560 other thing that you're describing is these are the outliers these are the outliers of the situation

02:57:28.260 so yeah of course you have exceptions to every rule but general uh generally these rules apply

02:57:33.520 look look at look at what's going on right now in america you have like 80 something percent of

02:57:38.360 blacks who are going to vote democrat like so yeah of course there are blacks for trump but

02:57:42.620 But the reality is that the vast, vast majority of them vote for what they perceive to be 0.63

02:57:48.620 is in their best collective interest.

02:57:50.660 Who is going to give them the most? 0.99

02:57:52.460 Every other group operates like this, except for whites. 0.99

02:57:55.740 It's very simple. 0.98

02:57:58.380 Yeah.

02:57:59.060 Can we go to people have been waiting?

02:58:01.780 So Jody, Mattel, and then Kat.

02:58:03.560 This is an interesting topic, though.

02:58:06.100 I do want to.

02:58:07.320 Can you guys hear me OK?

02:58:08.360 Because the audio on my end is not good.

02:58:10.840 Can you hear me OK?

02:58:12.620 yeah yeah yeah you're good okay yeah no i um i i do i do think chanel is on to something here

02:58:21.180 though because you know it's like people who oppose the ideology like let's say that the

02:58:29.260 residential school denial um they can still very much get on our side and wanting to fight for free

02:58:35.180 speech and i think it's important to not make it all about all about being white you know what i

02:58:41.260 I mean, I think there is a small distinction there that I think is important because we want more people on our side. 0.56

02:58:47.140 We want people who are non-white to be like, yeah, it's actually really shitty how you're being treated, you know, by being demonized with this residential school denialism.

02:58:57.720 You know, like this is something that everyone can get on board, white and non-white alike, because it's simply it's wrong.

02:59:03.160 you know like recognizing that um you know the colonizers are being demonized like you know it's 0.76

02:59:10.180 it's uh more people can get on board with that obviously i think where ferryman is coming from

02:59:15.940 is like well the people being demonized have the most to lose and the people who are non-white you

02:59:23.100 know the willingness for them to stand up for us because of tribalism is you know it's they're uh

02:59:29.780 they're also but you say stand up for us stand up for themselves like standing up for freedom

02:59:36.640 and individualism and and all these values that i'm standing up for even if they're black that's

02:59:41.900 that's in their best interest upholding you know the principles of western society is in their best

02:59:49.020 interest it's not i don't operate with this like race centric view that you guys seem to have it's

02:59:55.400 just it's um i don't know i just disagree fundamentally with a lot of what i'm hearing

03:00:00.200 here but that's that's just me can i jump in yeah please go ahead dying it goes back to so

03:00:07.600 one thing i haven't heard mentioned all night is the crown the crown because as much as like

03:00:14.480 growing up we always heard oh the crown doesn't have much to do with canada blah blah blah

03:00:18.640 the indian and the crowd the indian is the key to we have to get rid of the crown in order to 0.93

03:00:25.240 um have whatever we're talking about here us white the indian is the only one that can 1.00

03:00:33.000 get rid of the crown and that's why they continuously oppress them and pay them off 0.95

03:00:37.460 and do what they do um i gotta gather my thoughts i've never spoken in a space or anything i've

03:00:45.500 never spoken on anything but sure uh so what are you what are you talking about with uh with a

03:00:51.060 crown the crown is the key and the crown the british royal crown is the key all our politicians

03:00:59.020 nobody's going to do anything to for us because they are sworn to the crown

03:01:04.340 all of them are they're not for us it all goes back to the crown we have to get rid of the crown

03:01:12.500 now the only um nation really if you want to call it a race that can get rid of the crown 0.89

03:01:19.260 is the indian here in canada

03:01:21.500 yeah right people need to i'm sorry are we gonna i hear what you're saying i hear where you're 0.97

03:01:29.120 and i'm not talking out of my ass i've i've done a lot a lot of research 0.85

03:01:32.820 craig you mind if i speak for a minute yeah uh sure yeah i hear i hear where you're coming from 0.98

03:01:38.340 um meltell uh the only problem with you know i know you've done the research and all this

03:01:43.340 uh the only problem with that is like this is kind of like the whole sovereign citizen like

03:01:47.900 if you look into the legislature that you know it's really the crown this isn't going to change

03:01:54.300 because you know there's so much explanation that needs to happen for somebody to understand all of

03:01:59.600 this and it's just it's just so far away from from anybody understanding uh getting to get

03:02:04.960 on board with that like we can hardly even get people on board with opposing the gender ideology

03:02:09.860 in schools you know and that should be a really simple one for the average person to be able to

03:02:14.080 get up off their couch and be like hey something's wrong here so this idea of you know going way back

03:02:20.620 into into documents that have to do with the crown like it's it's so far away for the average person

03:02:25.900 to understand that so um and you know respectfully i just feel like a lot of that sovereign citizen

03:02:31.100 stuff it's you know it's i don't think it's really going to be the stuff that activates people

03:02:36.340 Whereas, you know, something like the sort of the demonization of us as colonizers and seeing stuff being taught in school, that's kind of absurd.

03:02:47.280 Like that's going to be a much more sort of visceral thing that that gets people activated and actually speaking up about stuff.

03:02:55.860 I did get a I do want to quickly go back to Chanel, though.

03:02:59.060 I saw a message in my chat, which is ask Chanel what she thinks of CRT or critical race theory.

03:03:06.340 uh did you did you want to speak to that

03:03:16.420 maybe she's gone um

03:03:19.780 someone said no no no so for some reason you muted people so i just unmuted oh oh sorry

03:03:27.540 my bad my bad okay my bad uh sorry yeah my my bad i'm being a tyrant here muting everybody

03:03:33.460 no free speech for anyone uh go ahead chanel i mean it's it's uh of course i i despise critical

03:03:42.120 race theory i think it's horrible we're dividing kids into groups based on the race we're telling

03:03:47.100 them that uh white people are oppressed and and i'm sorry black people are oppressed and white

03:03:52.840 people are privileged and that these power structures exist whether you like it or not 0.96

03:03:56.860 And unless you're willing to say, yep, these power structures exist, you are the bad guy.

03:04:03.480 It's an ideology that's absolutely horrible.

03:04:06.660 It's being pushed in all of our schools.

03:04:10.140 I mean, it's not taught directly, right?

03:04:12.960 No teacher is going to their class.

03:04:14.780 Okay, maybe in grade 11 or 12, but no teacher is going up to grade two kids and saying, hey, this is.

03:04:22.960 I'm so sorry, chat.

03:04:24.200 This is hard to listen to.

03:04:25.720 This is there.

03:04:26.100 it's put into action um i i don't know if there was a more specific

03:04:30.860 oh i don't know have you lost me can you hear me oh no you're good you're good

03:04:39.160 i just really need to stress that um i don't know how much time you have

03:04:43.480 greg but uh there have been a few speakers that have dming me and it would really like a chance

03:04:49.260 an opportunity to say something so we have yeah you're right we've been going for a while

03:04:54.080 so let's yeah go ahead who's up um go ahead jody hi rachel you at the revision conference in

03:05:07.920 No, you gave me your card.

03:05:23.160 Uh-oh, I hope I didn't nuke it.

03:05:30.560 Uh-oh, did I just nuke it? 1.00

03:05:37.920 I left my neighborhood five years, a couple weeks ago, because of mass immigration. 1.00

03:05:47.020 So my riding, I'm in Manitoba.

03:05:50.560 I'm in Winnipeg.

03:05:51.940 The riding I'm in is a liberal riding.

03:05:54.160 And it was inundated with a couple hundred thousand people from mostly the Punjab area of India, some Hindus.

03:06:03.620 um it already had a very heavy um Filipino community that was from like the immigration

03:06:11.680 in the 1990s um it's a very large writing on one side of it is is mainly indigenous Canadians and

03:06:18.720 then on the other side where I was um with my partner I was actually on both sides over the last

03:06:23.980 uh 35 years um with my ex-husband so they uh i watched my neighborhood dramatically change

03:06:33.600 within a matter of about a year not not even a year and a half about 14 months um and it went

03:06:42.820 from a very quiet um neat tidy uh neighborhood with with a you know a fairly multicultural feel

03:06:52.740 which Winnipeg has already had to being um it felt like well we we get the nickname Little

03:07:00.840 Brampton Little India um it went from I didn't I used to hear English I didn't hear it anymore

03:07:09.020 I go up my backyard all I ever heard was Punjabi there was signs um in another language I found 1.00

03:07:15.740 out later was hindu advertising crackers um every uh-oh uh-oh shit guys i think i nuked it 1.00

03:07:31.340 fuck fuck oh my god 1.00

03:07:37.140 that sucks 1.00

03:07:43.940 i think i think i just nuked the stream i think i just nuked the space

03:07:51.280 i didn't mean to it was getting so laggy on my computer i could i couldn't even 0.75

03:07:56.300 hear it anymore is it over i think it's over shit crap space was disconnected guys i'm so sorry 0.99

03:08:08.740 fuck man 1.00

03:08:09.900 shit 1.00

03:08:11.740 my computer is basically frozen 0.99

03:08:15.380 and I can't even

03:08:17.460 reload twitter right now it's like frozen 0.98

03:08:19.260 god damn it 0.96

03:08:22.300 well there you go 1.00

03:08:25.080 there you go

03:08:27.460 um

03:08:31.460 um

03:08:33.460 that was it

03:08:41.080 I mean

03:08:41.960 there's no point in restarting it right

03:08:44.180 sorry folks

03:08:46.060 sorry folks

03:09:03.460 um thanks for hanging out thanks for all the donations guys i saw people were handing out

03:09:15.120 memberships and everything i just want to make a quick tweet to you know address what just

03:09:19.720 happened everyone's like what the hell greg nuked the stream i didn't mean to i didn't mean to okay

03:09:24.740 sorry folks my computer just crashed great this great discussion

03:09:33.580 agreed to listen to

03:09:54.740 oh man i mean i got this big computer it's like you know try to try to

03:10:17.060 hey there i'm on a live stream right now i know everything got nuked uh are you yeah

03:10:26.020 yeah i know i did my my computer crashed

03:10:33.740 yeah i know i we're just gonna that's you know that that's it unfortunately it's uh it's over

03:10:41.440 um i'm i'm i'm live right now i don't know if you wanted to chat to the people who are live

03:10:46.960 but like i'm live on youtube

03:10:49.200 yep

03:10:56.240 yeah that would be interesting i think that would be interesting i think there's a lot of appetite

03:11:13.500 for that conversation um and yeah um but i'm just gonna wrap up this live stream uh i'm i'll have

03:11:22.420 to figure out the technical issues for next time it's unfortunate but uh thanks thanks for helping

03:11:27.520 uh organize this and and uh with your help moderating i mean it was i'm really happy with

03:11:36.280 it it's my first time hosting a space and i thought it went really well so yeah let's let's

03:11:41.160 let's do another one um but yeah we'll talk again later okay i'm i'm gonna run i'm i gotta

03:11:46.980 figure some of this stuff out all right talk to you later bye

03:11:51.400 uh i'll send some messages too to people

03:11:58.320 sorry my computer crashed

03:12:11.160 hopping hoping we're hopping on how are we doing chat is this fun to watch me uh scramble around

03:12:28.880 here i can't i can't believe yeah i know the space is cooking i know but i couldn't i couldn't

03:12:35.440 even hear it was the problem i couldn't even hear it and you know like it was yeah i uh

03:12:45.540 and then and then like the twitter basically froze like i couldn't even click on it um

03:12:52.180 and then it and then it and then i started listening on my phone and then just got got

03:12:56.760 nuked so i'm thinking it might be more stable on um on mobile which is crazy

03:13:04.340 That's crazy

03:13:14.840 What did you guys think?

03:13:16.900 It was a good chat, right?

03:13:19.300 I closed

03:13:19.780 Lee says Telegram is a known suspect to interfere

03:13:23.120 I closed Telegram

03:13:24.160 I was closing all the apps

03:13:25.360 I was closing all of it 0.98

03:13:26.780 Oh shit, it's on in the background 0.99

03:13:29.420 Maybe that was a problem 0.99

03:13:32.140 uh i'll have i'll have to rectify that for next time i might actually have to um

03:13:37.980 change the settings of the live stream as well um because my live stream settings are kind of set

03:13:46.260 to like pretty high high gigabytes or whatever but um yeah no that was awesome we got harrison

03:13:53.740 faulkner kicking off the uh the space talking about his band uh podcast anybody who deviates

03:14:00.200 from from the official narrative gets banned you get your podcast taken down and he's part of a

03:14:05.460 major platform he he helped educate me a little bit on sort of the uh the precedent of this

03:14:12.640 holocaust denial not holocaust rather residential school denialism with uh the motion that was passed

03:14:20.840 back in 2021 that all conservatives agreed with we got jim mcmurdy on we got to hear his testimony

03:14:28.160 the lore the Jim McMurdy

03:14:30.240 lore is incredible is it not

03:14:32.060 his dad got

03:14:34.120 the was esteemed to the

03:14:36.060 order of Canada

03:14:36.900 and like

03:14:39.420 yeah that was incredible

03:14:42.000 not gonna lie not gonna

03:14:46.040 lie Ferryman came on kind of mogged the

03:14:48.020 space a little bit kind of mogged it up kind of

03:14:50.160 kind of was like

03:14:51.980 I'm gonna be an uncompromising

03:14:54.040 Anglo-Saxon 0.99

03:14:55.560 but

03:14:59.660 yeah I mean

03:15:01.320 it's

03:15:03.520 pretty hard to argue

03:15:05.460 with some of the stuff that he

03:15:07.460 says you know

03:15:08.420 but yeah

03:15:11.620 we had Jim McMurdy on

03:15:12.900 telling his story

03:15:14.820 we almost had all the guests

03:15:19.320 hop on

03:15:20.460 you know Rachel

03:15:23.560 gave her story she was co-hosting

03:15:25.540 she gave her story of being canceled um we got mark emery on and mark emery is kind of

03:15:34.400 becoming a little bit i guess racially conscious and i'm really grateful that chanel came on to

03:15:41.340 give her perspective and i'm really glad i'm really glad that she pushed back she's like uh

03:15:46.140 this this feels too like racial centric like what's going on here and uh i appreciate that

03:15:52.120 I appreciate that. 0.88

03:15:53.160 I think it's healthy.

03:15:54.640 What's the one thing?

03:15:55.620 Was it McMurdy or was it Mark?

03:15:57.320 I think it was McMurdy.

03:15:59.840 It's McMurtry, right?

03:16:01.200 I'm not even saying it right.

03:16:04.120 But I tweeted it out when he said it.

03:16:05.880 He says, like, in Canada, we're losing the art.

03:16:09.060 Canada has lost the art of disagreement.

03:16:12.720 I don't think it's just Canada.

03:16:14.140 I think it's kind of across the Western world that, you know,

03:16:18.800 there literally isn't good debates anymore.

03:16:20.980 like you really cannot find a good debate

03:16:23.720 not in the mainstream anyway

03:16:25.340 not to save your life

03:16:26.400 but no it was good

03:16:31.640 it was good

03:16:32.600 we'll have to do another one

03:16:35.060 we'll have to do another one

03:16:36.060 let's go through here

03:16:38.220 is there any super chats

03:16:39.100 I saw Silverman sent a huge super chat

03:16:41.880 thank you so much

03:16:42.960 yeah maybe we can quickly do that

03:16:44.760 can we do that

03:16:45.360 is this up

03:16:46.320 boom

03:16:47.100 whoops

03:16:48.860 uh hold on let's bring something up here because i saw some donations roll in

03:16:56.200 saw some donations roll in on the gifts and go we got satoshi ape with fifty dollars can't wait

03:17:05.820 for the finished product same here sir same here sir it's going to be fantastic it's going to be

03:17:10.360 streaming uh on amazon video and it's it's you know if if we reach our our higher budget goals

03:17:17.680 then we'll be able to submit it to film festivals

03:17:19.560 and everything, so it'll be really good

03:17:20.940 Anonymous Givers gives $100

03:17:23.080 good work Greg, thank you sir

03:17:25.020 thank you very much, assuming your gender

03:17:27.380 sir 0.54

03:17:27.740 Drewgaloo Dag sends $100

03:17:31.240 keep fighting brother, guys thank you so much

03:17:33.620 for these huge donations

03:17:35.020 really appreciate it, thank you so much

03:17:37.880 yeah

03:17:39.560 there's lots in the works

03:17:40.520 I hope you've recognized

03:17:42.460 the hard work I'm putting into this

03:17:44.800 to get the voices out there

03:17:46.400 and you know you know how we'll know you know how we'll know if this uh twitter space is a success

03:17:53.020 is if there's people smearing us tomorrow if there's people smearing us monday about oh

03:18:00.560 this person went on a podcast that one they want they associated with each other and they said the

03:18:06.120 things that you're not supposed to say cancel culture cancel them don't allow this don't allow

03:18:12.440 these people having a conversation about

03:18:14.500 about free speech

03:18:16.480 about how hey a lot of what's going

03:18:18.400 on is kind of has a little bit of a

03:18:20.460 sort of you know demonizing

03:18:22.240 demonizing white people thing

03:18:24.480 going on and anybody who questions history

03:18:26.580 gets demonized

03:18:28.140 and

03:18:29.360 yeah can't have

03:18:32.420 that can't have conversations like that

03:18:34.120 not at all but I do want to thank

03:18:36.480 everybody for coming out I wish I could have closed 0.76

03:18:38.400 the space that sucks that 1.00

03:18:40.300 really sucks I'm an asshole to be honest 1.00

03:18:42.160 um the fact that the space just ended with some some poor guest in mid-sentence getting cut off 0.99

03:18:49.400 and just nuked what a great way to end the space greg fantastic great work uh but yeah i think i'll

03:18:55.940 still leave it up i think it was a you know i think we touched on a lot of great conversations

03:18:59.260 um thank you for the two dollars one more quarter appreciate your work gotta go thanks for watching

03:19:08.120 one more quarter um and yeah guys thank you for watching how long we've been streaming for three

03:19:14.800 hours three hours okay um yeah we had a couple guests on there the one person that didn't make

03:19:21.760 it was uh pamela pamela geiger um she is an indigenous woman part indigenous i interviewed 0.72

03:19:29.960 her recently at a ppc event she's running as a ppc candidate and she was really cooking when it

03:19:34.980 comes to you know she's actually was actually it's too bad she didn't come on because she was

03:19:39.060 actually really sympathetic to truth and reconciliation day being uh part indigenous

03:19:44.160 and it really sucks we didn't get to hear that perspective on it because um and to be fair maybe

03:19:52.240 i should have pushed back more against against uh ferryman's uh sort of summary of the situation 0.97

03:19:59.540 only because you know he said like i wish we wouldn't be living with the indigenous people 0.92

03:20:04.600 like we shouldn't have even helped them at all and it's like well that's so far away from our 0.96

03:20:11.700 reality though because we did do that and that that did do that did that did be do what happened

03:20:18.560 and um i do have sympathy for the indigenous people and how poorly they are treated and it's

03:20:26.020 like you know hey they were colonized we're getting colonized right now you know what i mean like there

03:20:30.480 there is actually a common sort of uh uh natural unity there and also with the whole thing of um

03:20:39.920 yeah that would have been actually interesting to uh to kind of have have that argument because

03:20:48.260 like like what what is what does ferryman believe we should have just like wiped them all out or

03:20:51.920 something and that they didn't have any rights to their land or something i don't know um i'm not

03:20:57.860 sure that's a discussion for another time discussion for another time because that's what

03:21:04.840 we do we discuss topics even if they're offensive even if they make you flinch even if they make

03:21:09.960 you feel oh you can't say that you're not allowed to say that you hate go hey man you're not allowed

03:21:16.620 to say that man well i just did now what now what's gonna happen um yeah guys thanks for

03:21:26.860 watching uh i'm gonna end the stream here appreciate you thanks for tuning in thanks

03:21:31.900 you so much for the support the donations and uh i'll see you on the anti-hate homepage

03:21:37.640 tomorrow morning until next time

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03:22:17.340 yeah

03:22:18.860 so until next time guys

03:22:20.620 until next time thanks for watching

03:22:30.540 no just how

03:22:31.980 oh man

03:22:34.080 I'm hungry.

03:23:04.080 So

Greg Wycliffe - October 04, 2024

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