00:04:56.020this is the truth and reconciliation I can feel the healing already and yeah I mean there's really
00:05:04.200there really is a lot to go over it's it's funny when I first interviewed you for the
00:05:08.700for the documentary that's coming out soon by the way she you you had not gotten into this much
00:05:15.660trouble and a lot of people were like Greg why are you talking to this friend who's this Francis
00:05:19.380person and I'm like trust me Francis Francis has the autism okay Francis is like focused on the
00:05:25.500topics she's like you know she's in weapon she's dangerous and sure enough after you know after
00:05:31.600doing this interview i forgot what the the first shoe to drop was but um yeah i'm just that was
00:05:38.380in october because that was brock right so brock was the big is the last when i went to brock and
00:05:43.640we met and we did all that stuff brock was the final university where you could do things you
00:05:49.600could go and speak and you could go to street epistemology and nothing sort of happened except
00:05:56.040for the usual kind of typical opposition but after brock everything just fell apart in a massive way
00:06:04.080and then now things are really really out of control completely unhinged and out of control
00:06:10.420winnipeg being the best example winnipeg is a is in a class by its own although lethbridge is pretty
00:06:16.180lethbridge and winnipeg they are very similar and we'll find out with victoria going to university
00:06:21.540victoria on september 29th for the truth and reconciliation day or the day before truth and
00:06:27.100reconciliation uh i just thought of i just thought of some great content for you do you know what a
00:06:33.220tier list is a tier list a tier list yeah uh top tier middle tier so you go like s tier a tier b
00:06:43.160tier c tier um you should make a tier list of universities in canada and like how they rank
00:06:52.000in terms of like how good the free speech is like this is this is the best this is the worst
00:06:57.060um i think if there's anybody who has sort of an expert opinion on that it's probably you
00:07:04.140um you have a controversial opinion of caring about the facts of of a historical item and which
00:07:12.680is that's all it takes to be controversial these days is hey i have a certain idea of history i'm
00:07:17.780kind of an expert on it um but i think you would be a good authority on that to make that tier list
00:07:23.820i can help you set it up as well i think it'd be really good clickbait as well um i was doing that
00:07:28.940a little bit with the hall of shame so that's how i was kind of characterizing it was the
00:07:33.120the hall of shame which were all the universities that were trying to stop me from they were
00:07:39.140canceling me or they were making things difficult for me or and so on and then there was the elite
00:07:45.620hall of shame which was uh the ones that arrested me and so on and then there was the jewel in the
00:07:53.140crown that was the jewel in the crown of the elite hall of shame which was the university of
00:07:57.760lathe bridge at the time because of everything that they've been doing but now the university
00:08:02.620of winnipeg is you know really competing with the university of lathe bridge for the elite hall of
00:08:07.840Shane it's like a neck and neck kind of race as to see who's going to come out on top of that
00:08:14.360competition um yeah because Winnipeg is the zombie apocalypse as I say whereas Lethbridge is
00:08:21.540you know it's not as uh dangerous it's not as dangerous as Winnipeg
00:08:26.800um and why is it more dangerous in Winnipeg
00:08:31.240uh gangsters the gangsters uh and the police are completely uh captured by the gangsters
00:08:40.740so this was uh so university of winnipeg which i so maybe i should just tell the story for your
00:08:47.860listeners who are not familiar with the winnipeg is this image helpful yes yes so those are the
00:08:54.640seven assailants which have uh three are known and uh there is uh vivian ketchup sorry ketchup
00:09:05.660not ketchup i want to call her ketchup vivian ketchup or ketchup um and grandma uh geraldine
00:09:12.280shingoose but i like calling her grandma shingoose that's my way of because she is the grifter
00:09:18.680she is an unbelievable grifter she's number six and then um louise meno or me now i learned that's
00:09:26.500how you pronounce her name louise me now who is number three and so i know the names of all of
00:09:31.720those that those three people but i don't know the names of the other four anyway this all went
00:09:36.880to the and sorry sorry they are the avengers and you are uh thanos in this scenario you are the
00:09:44.180bad poor person and they are the avengers who are uniting to stop the evil of the world
00:09:48.920exactly exactly if francis collects those infinity stones she's gonna just snap
00:09:54.620the indigenous out of anyway anyway on so this was last year on uh september 26 2025
00:10:02.480uh i was with my cameraman daniel page and he feared for his life that day that's how bad it
00:10:09.300was and gary who was with us too told me this time and i hooked up with him that his coat had
00:10:15.900been sliced by a box cutter that he didn't even know about until a couple of days after this
00:10:21.320this melee that that that broke out at winnipeg anyway uh eight nine one one calls were made
00:10:28.120security stood down and were completely useless did nothing eight nine one one calls were made
00:10:32.980and no police showed up at this very, very dangerous situation.
00:10:38.500So that was the backdrop for, and the police have now closed the investigation
00:10:43.140and they're not going to lay charges against any of these people
00:10:45.980in spite of the fact that massive coverage,
00:10:48.580we have all the video of everything that happened.
00:10:50.680There's no mystery as to the assaults and everything like that.
00:10:55.860Anyway, they've closed the investigation.
00:10:57.080So on September 17th, Sean Carlton and Negan Sinclair had edited a volume called Truth Before Reconciliation, Confronting Residential School Denialism.
00:11:14.840And that was going to be a book launch happening on September 17th.
00:11:18.940So I decided it would be a good idea to go to this book launch.
00:11:23.340and I made the mistake of announcing that I would be going and then I had people tell me
00:11:30.160you shouldn't tell people you're going because they'll then organize against you and so I said
00:11:37.660okay and so I said okay people you know I was telling you I was going well I'm not going
00:11:43.580anymore I can't go and then I would do this kind of I'd do this kind of because I couldn't resist
00:11:48.940taunting them and teasing them about this situation so they sort of knew i was coming
00:11:54.580and then it all got um unfortunately leaked so some one of our associates went to the bookstore
00:12:00.360and for some weird reason decided to approach security and tell them that there could be
00:12:06.180problems happening the next day so i got a notice on the night before i was going to fly out hold
00:12:14.240on do you know who do you know who this person was who went to the uh library yeah or the bookstore
00:12:20.600yeah they were just being they were they were being trying to be helpful and they didn't
00:12:24.640understand that this was not we were we didn't want to have attention drawn to us that we were
00:12:29.560going to be there um anyway i got this notice on september 16th i got a notice hey i don't want
00:12:35.720to draw attention to this but uh there might something really messed up might happen tomorrow
00:12:40.560like what i don't know man anyway i got this notice from the bookstore mcnally robinson
00:12:48.940telling me that i was banned from the launch i couldn't attend the launch so i said okay well
00:12:56.620i'm gonna have to play this one by year uh i'm going anyway because i want to do all this other
00:13:01.240stuff with winnipeg university winnipeg university of manitoba blah blah blah blah i was going with
00:13:06.160tony hall who was a professor emeritus from lethbridge who wanted to kind of help me
00:13:10.120document all the problems that i was going to probably experience um anyway so we we went to
00:13:17.800winnipeg and we were having lunch in a restaurant gary picked us up so gary the guy who had his
00:13:24.340coat cut with a box cutter last time and got assaulted was driving us around
00:13:28.800and we went for lunch in a restaurant called stella's which was across from the university
00:13:35.740of Winnipeg. And I didn't know at the time that this was part of the University of Winnipeg. It
00:13:42.520was actually in a building owned by the University of Winnipeg. So unbeknownst to us, we were made
00:13:48.620in the restaurant and all the security was all on high alert that we were there. And as we walked
00:13:55.680out the door to go over to the University of Winnipeg to do a walk and talk, to just explain
00:14:00.620where all the assaults happened and everything i ran face to face with the key security guy
00:14:05.420who had stood down and done nothing while all of us were being assaulted and so uh i got my camera
00:14:12.760on him and this was like last year though no this was this year this was uh september 17th this year
00:14:19.080oh okay okay okay but like when you saw this guy who was head of security
00:14:25.640this is at the book thing no it's just outside of university winnipeg before we were going to go on
00:14:31.780to the book launch we're just visiting we're just doing a just a brief visit just going to go in
00:14:37.220there i'm just going to walk through with gary and point out the various places where we got
00:14:41.260assaulted last year and then go on to the book launch so that was the the plan but we were we
00:14:49.160were being surveilled all the time we were people knew we were there and when we came out i ran
00:14:54.080headlong into josh who was the head security guy for the previous year and he told me you've been
00:15:00.960barred for five years you cannot go into the university of winnipeg and i said i do not
00:15:06.700listen to anything the university of winnipeg says piss off we're going in anyway and gary and i go
00:15:12.800March. Nice. And we ran headlong into 11 security guards who formed a phalanx and prevented us from
00:15:28.060coming on. And we were walking back and forth in front of the University of Winnipeg with them
00:15:31.920following along like a like a flock of ducks back and forth while I was castigating them and telling1.00
00:15:38.840them what useless pieces of shit they were and how they stood down yesterday last year when1.00
00:15:43.600everyone got assaulted and the president of the university of winnipeg was there i didn't know1.00
00:15:48.420that at the time otherwise i would have really given him a what for but uh he's kind of lurking
00:15:54.080in the background you can see him in the footage with the he's got this one of these silly hats on
00:15:58.320uh anyway so they said francis we've had enough of this it's time for you to go and i said i am
00:16:03.320not going anywhere call the police and get them to exercise your order and we'll see because they
00:16:09.420never show up the police never show up so let's let them do this anyway about a half an hour later
00:16:16.720eight police officers in three cruisers showed up to uh is this the right clip here no it's from
00:16:23.060last year shoot yeah that's from the university of manitoba um okay i don't know if i've uh uh
00:16:29.500it's okay that's okay yep yep um i want to ask you know you're so used to this now
00:16:38.300and i'm i'm used to something similar in some other way similar way um how do you kind of
00:16:45.620paint it how do you paint the picture in your own mind of like yes i i mean i don't want to
00:16:50.260use the n-word but it's like you're kind of like this 2026 and probably like you're treated like
00:16:55.660oh they're in the restaurant over there you know what i mean like everyone's like alerted of this
00:16:59.880this horrible vile person um how do you kind of construe that how you're treated uh in your head
00:17:10.580oh it doesn't bother me at all i i see myself as a symbol not i don't take it personally at all
00:17:17.800and i just i just focus on how to make them explain themselves as much as i can and what
00:17:24.720i've been doing now since the university of lethbridge on september 1st when we went with
00:17:30.260peter bogosian and reese nice wonder um we got and tony hall was there as well he's a professor
00:17:37.620emeritus from university of lethbridge we got the police to stand down we argued with the police
00:17:43.420and told them that they didn't have to exercise the trespass order they could just stand back
00:17:49.560and see if we did anything unsafe or if we did anything obstructionist and then they could
00:17:55.140remove us if we were doing something but they didn't have to do this and they they went away
00:18:00.680for half an hour and came back and we were able to do the street epistemology so that was a new
00:18:04.900development that i'd never kind of considered before which was arguing with the police
00:18:09.940mm-hmm yeah so i i don't it doesn't i i just see these people as it it's it's not me they're
00:18:18.040they're going after they're going after a kind of a you know a cartoon kind of character as you say
00:18:25.700super villain um lex luther or whatever you know that's something they don't they have no idea what
00:18:32.720i'm even arguing they don't even know what i'm about or what my position is on anything they
00:18:37.940just know that I'm a person to be hated and they're just gonna hate on me and it's like well
00:18:44.020go ahead like maybe it'll be good for you to get it out of your system all these kinds of thoughts
00:18:49.500but I just with the security at the University of Winnipeg I just spent it must have been 20
00:18:57.180minutes just castigating them just telling them how useless I thought they were and how terrible
00:59:27.420If you don't want to be called zombies, don't act like zombies like this.0.94
00:59:32.200What they probably do is, you know, the people who they try to rile up, no offense to them, but the people who they try to rile up probably aren't very smart.
00:59:40.300so they probably take the zombie label and they spin it to be like oh no because like it's like1.00
00:59:45.300dead bodies and it's like like right and it's like no i mean like you're a brainwashed idiot1.00
00:59:51.120not that you like got raised from the dead that's stupid um but uh i'm sure you can't really get a1.00
00:59:59.340word in uh most of the time on campus but let's talk about a few more things because you got so0.99
01:00:03.920much going on i want let's talk about um i saw this come up on the justice center it's been great
01:00:08.920to see them cover your stuff yeah this is from the justice center i think earlier this week
01:00:14.060september 18th in a major victory for free expression the alberta court of king's bench
01:00:18.300has squashed the university of lethbridge decision to cancel a campus lecture by dr francis
01:00:24.080widdowson that keep the doctor there it is boom dr francis widdowson the court ruled that the
01:00:30.160university's failure to consider charter rights was a fundamental and fatal error justice center
01:00:35.020President John Carpe said past Justice Center court victories have established that the charter
01:00:39.300protects freedom of expression on university campuses in Alberta. This decision affirms
01:00:44.220that principle and the constitutional requirement that universities meaningfully consider freedom
01:00:49.840of expression when making decisions affecting expressive activities on campus.
01:00:55.800Yep. Thoughts, feelings? What was your reaction to this news? Yeah, so I was ecstatic at the time
01:01:02.120because it is establishing some important principles
01:01:06.460about, you know, considering freedom of expression and so on.
01:01:11.160And it's been really good just in terms of raising awareness
01:01:31.440the problem with it just so that people can be a little bit clear-eyed about this
01:01:35.700is that it doesn't um make a statement that my charter rights were violated so it doesn't do
01:01:43.840that and it doesn't provide a remedy as to what the university of lethbridge must do after it has
01:01:50.600not done this so we don't we're no for in terms of the actual situation of me giving the talk
01:01:58.240on campus which is what we were asking for that's the remedy we were asking for is that i
01:02:03.820be allowed you know they they give me space to to do this lecture that they canceled that was
01:02:09.880what we were asking for and we didn't get that remedy so now the university of lethbridge is
01:02:14.280just going to say well you know we now in the future we need to consider charter but they could
01:02:21.380just say hey we considered the charter and we found that we have to balance it with safety and
01:02:27.020so therefore we're canceling the lecture anyway or like they like it's not very it's not really
01:02:31.420very clear in terms of the future but it's good in terms of having a recognition that the
01:02:37.660university of lethbridge uh didn't act properly on that day on february 1st 2023 right so i'm just
01:02:48.100trying to understand this so the court ruled that the university's failure to consider charter
01:02:52.360rights was a fundamental and fatal error so they're like this was wrong yeah we're not going
01:02:58.060to make you we're not going to make you do anything about it no we're just going to say that was wrong
01:03:02.740that you did that yeah so now lunavers lester says oh well thank you very much and we'll just
01:03:07.160continue as we are what i'm hoping is to get if daniel smith and miles mcdougall are listening
01:03:13.700you now have this uh it's no longer before the courts so that's often their excuse we we can't
01:03:20.900do anything because it's before the courts so it's no longer before the courts you have the
01:03:26.040the ruling that they didn't consider it you direct the university of lethbridge to allow that talk
01:03:32.360to happen and if they don't allow it to happen you withdraw five percent of the funding from
01:03:37.440the university of lethbridge the government can do that and it should do that will it do that
01:03:43.740here's the question daniel smith if you can hear us take the action it will be popular
01:03:51.180i don't i don't know what these conservative um premiers are doing honestly like well they're
01:03:57.120trying to get there they've got other issues that they're trying to negotiate on and they're
01:04:01.700gonna throw freedom of expression under the bus to do it is basically what's happening they've0.94
01:04:06.920got to negotiate the pipelines and do all these things right who gives a shit about freedom of0.65
01:04:12.060expression and universities and all that that's the francis who um yeah well no daniel smith knows0.57
01:04:17.520who i am like she did talk to aaron pete about that so she's aware of what's going on aaron pete
01:04:23.800brought it up confronted her good shout out to aaron pete for that yeah i love him i want to be
01:04:31.000i want to do an event with him i want to do an event at the university of lethbridge with aaron
01:04:34.980pete and we can talk about you know the residential schools being genocidal or the cam moves 215 or
01:04:41.040see oh okay okay this is this might be a really like baby boomer idea but what if for like one
01:04:50.280of your demonstrations where you're where you're going to show up and there's going to be a lot
01:04:54.640of haters what if you show up like hannibal lecter where you're like in a stray jacket like
01:05:01.380on like a on like a dolly or whatever like completely wrapped up with like something over
01:05:06.040your face and it's like there she is there's francis widows and they have to like wrap her1.00
01:05:09.780in a stray jacket because she's such a disgusting violent freak um and and then like dramatic1.00
01:05:16.780dramatically like they can take like the duct tape off your mouth and like what was what's the0.98
01:05:21.460first thing you would say on microphone in front of a group of your haters if you're dressed like
01:05:25.340hannibal lecter i don't know can i have some water i'm thirsty something like uh the truth
01:05:34.560is fundamental or something like that like they they're one of these kind of philosophical kinds
01:05:38.440positions uh you know we we must have truth about cam loops or if we and we can't have to the two
01:05:44.180plus two equals four you know that's one of my favorites the george orwell kind of uh quote
01:05:50.220which is uh winston smith says writes down uh freedom is the freedom to state that two plus
01:05:55.060two make four once that is cunningham bear 76 in chat said silence of the denialist
01:06:03.960very good very good yeah yeah silence of the uh cookums yeah but i used to do these kind of
01:06:13.220graphics which was showing my trajectory it's kind of funny because i had the first one was
01:06:18.420the leper you know like there's a famous medieval kind of mosaic which has a a person with a leper
01:06:25.040bell around them with the leper spots on so that's the first frame the second frame is uh
01:06:30.240um i think it's hannibal lecter with the with the mask on and then the third is the um the rat
01:06:38.120cage mask in 1984 where you have winston smith which has the mask with the rats in it which is
01:06:44.100you know um and it might have been i can't remember which one i think whether i can't
01:06:50.340remember whether hannibal lecter was number three or number two and the rat cage mask but anyway
01:06:55.280there's it's kind of an interesting kind of tree panel uh was it called a trip ditch or whatever
01:07:00.000the three panel you know the story of francis widows and going through the various you know
01:07:05.140kinds of yeah tactics of silencing um but i guess it would be the rat cage mouse would be the final
01:07:12.360one because that's like when they're torturing you yeah right and so speaking of uh torture and
01:07:20.760the phases let's talk about one of the first phases which was um mount royal yes well i didn't
01:07:27.680watched this video yet but it looks like you gave it you gave an update for people yeah um
01:07:32.400this is about the spider web um well i mean what's the update on mount royal and your uh
01:07:39.240and your kind of ongoing appeal or counter-appeal case with uh you not being able to go back to work
01:07:45.980yeah so uh i was fired so for people who don't are not familiar with my case i was fired in
01:07:51.280December 2021. I went through an unbelievably abusive arbitration process over the year of
01:07:58.8602023. The arbitrator in 2024 found that I had been wrongfully terminated, but that I couldn't
01:08:08.180be reinstated because Gabrielle Weaselhead and Renee Watchman, who doesn't work there anymore,
01:08:14.700there's friction between us and this would be unviable this made my my relationship employment
01:08:23.700relationship unviable that got appealed to the Alberta Labor Relations Board and in
01:08:29.3802026 the board gave me an incredibly favorable ruling and said that the arbitrator's decision
01:08:40.180was unreasonable and it would need to go back to him to provide reasons to show that I was can't
01:08:46.780be reinstated because of my harassment and not because of my ideas because you cannot say that
01:08:54.260I cannot be reinstated because of my ideas because that would be a violation of my academic freedom
01:08:59.820so that was incredible that decision it's a win regardless of whatever else happens because
01:09:05.260it's going to form the basis for discussions in the future about this but what happened after
01:09:10.840that it's supposed to go back to the arbitrator but mount royal has appealed the labor board's
01:09:17.380decision to the court of appeal or no sort of seeking leave to appeal and so we went before
01:09:23.180the alberta court appeal in september so what mount royal is trying to do is it's trying to extend
01:09:28.080the the the whole thing right so because if we go to the court of appeal on that then that's
01:09:34.000going to be a couple of years before i get their strategy is uh before anybody is held accountable
01:09:39.560they're hoping everybody dies of old age exactly yeah they're gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna1.00
01:09:44.200die first uh you know but whatever like i'm like bring it on bring it on you motherfuckers um we1.00
01:09:51.300want to uh have everything that you think written down and everything that you do documented and1.00
01:09:58.440then i will castigate you mercilessly for all the misdeeds that you've been involved in for
01:10:04.780the last five years and all you got to do is you've just got to have you know stamina you
01:10:09.780got to have serious stamina to be able to do it and you've got to constantly be talking about
01:10:14.940what they've done yeah which is just so terrible and it's so verbal you got to be yeah you got to
01:10:22.560be like your own campaign manager constantly campaigning telling people what happens and uh
01:10:28.380you know being being your own spokesperson being your spokesperson for the cause um you got it and
01:10:34.860you're doing a great job by the way getting your content out there you know your channels are
01:10:38.780growing and stuff like that and like this is someone made a comment the other day when i posted
01:10:43.400something um and they're like oh you didn't know about this this happens all the time and it's like0.99
01:10:49.040yeah but this is a video or a picture of it happening and unfortunately people are stupid
01:10:54.060sure a story is a story but like if there's actual visual content to go along with what's happening
01:11:00.340that actually is what you need to get people to care i know it's kind of sad yeah but like you
01:11:06.000need the you need the receipts especially these days in this attention economy online and social
01:11:10.440media you need to get people's attention uh with the content or else no one's gonna care
01:11:15.900um and that's just the world we live in and uh you know this is it's interesting because i
01:11:22.140you know i i used to be the you know we spent all my time writing things that was my
01:11:28.640stock and trade but now it just it's just not like in terms of trying to get people to understand
01:11:35.660what has happened um i do write you know blog posts and stuff like that but then i always do
01:11:42.400a video to explain the blog post so that you know people have the you know they can read it or they
01:11:50.420can watch it but you know it's it's it's it's the clip you know the the minute and a half clip or
01:11:56.760whatever that that you're able to just get that one kind of idea out there that everyone can say
01:12:02.720okay i get this you know like that kind of thing and it's a real skill like you know you work on
01:12:07.560it all the time trying to you know make sure you capture that kind of moment in this short space of
01:12:14.640time that people can understand and they can figure out what this means you know and that is
01:12:21.960that's interesting doing that like working on this all the time and I'm this is going to be
01:12:28.280my life for the next definitely for the next year or so because I've got all these I'm working with
01:12:33.400simon hair got on all these uh these documentaries on these different universities so simon is
01:12:38.660currently editing the last bridge case and then i went to winnipeg and got all this stuff about
01:12:44.800winnipeg which i've got to kind of put together into a manageable kind of you know bunch of
01:12:49.880folders and stuff so that can be edited and then we're going to be in victoria on september 29th
01:12:55.820or no i'm going to be going in by myself uh but you know he'll be he'll be editing the stuff so
01:13:02.440I don't, the thing about Victoria is I don't want it to be like a big production of a whole bunch of people and a camera crew. I want it just to be me with nothing. I'm just there.
01:13:16.540now obviously i have to document what's happening because people will lie about what i say if i
01:13:23.900don't i have no option but to document it but i don't want it to be a big production
01:13:29.020like we had last december 2nd because then that's people are saying oh well you're just trying to
01:13:35.200create this big production or something that's not what i'm doing here i'm trying to figure out
01:13:39.140what university of victoria's problem actually is here is that me are you going to have a sign
01:13:46.980or a t-shirt or any sort of like message for people no so you just want to it's just kind
01:13:52.800of a stroll on campus yep just a stroll i'm here i'm i'm everywhere and i'm nowhere that's my
01:14:01.680message well but is it isn't that now you know you're kind of just making it about the spectacle
01:14:09.360that is you having having the wrong opinion right well i i i suspect it's just me that they don't
01:14:17.080want there it's got even if i just did nothing even if i was rolled in like the hannibal lecter
01:14:23.980thing with the mask on and stuff it's still there's there's this person that shouldn't be here
01:14:29.580and and the fact that university is taking that kind of position i i think most people can sort
01:14:35.400of recognize that that can't be right to just say you as a person like you've done nothing
01:14:41.680you've said nothing you're there you're you're just a person and and they're doing that so that's
01:14:48.020you know the things that she thinks about and believe do you know what her opinions are if
01:14:53.200her opinion falls out of her pocket she should she could kill somebody yeah so this is this is
01:14:59.160the point of this is to be as low key as i possibly can be and it's not an event this is what the
01:15:05.940university of victoria has to understand is that being on campus to say okay if people want to come
01:15:12.220up and talk to me and and have some questions that they want to ask me that's not an event
01:15:17.180i can be anywhere on campus i don't have to have anything i'm not taking space i'm whatever i'm
01:15:22.780just walking around and people can walk with me and people can just if i'm in the way i can go
01:15:29.740somewhere else like whatever like that's kind of that's the kind of approach that i want to do
01:15:35.020at the university of victoria on september 29th that's amazing i was just i just thought of a lot
01:15:42.040of really dumb stuff right now for some reason i was just thinking like imagine like you were
01:15:45.160a skateboarder and you just showed up with a skateboard and you're like you know skateboarding0.91
01:15:48.160the campus just i'm just hanging out man um that's silly but uh that's what i'm sort of like
01:15:55.280whatever like and i'm not gonna be i'm not gonna be announcing where i'm gonna be i'm
01:16:00.580gonna be around around one o'clock but i'm gonna be as i said everywhere what if what if you said
01:16:06.460hey guys truth and reconciliation day francis widowson holding a huge game of hide and seek
01:16:12.840join in if you want to play hide and seek with me will you find me you could like an easter egg hunt
01:16:19.760and then hide a bunch of easter eggs and the easter eggs say like facts about the camel
01:16:23.880yeah it'll be like uh it'll be a treasure hunt it'll be like i'll hide some things of the
01:16:29.160treasure hunt and you can have clues about you know where francis widdowson is you know you pick
01:16:33.920up this one clue and you go to this other place and this kind of stuff like whatever i don't know
01:16:38.140like i'm i'm just trying to say to people look i understand well i don't i think it's a ruse again
01:16:44.640like the street epistemology when i had the mats like i did take up a like an area of the the
01:16:51.680pavement you know i could have moved the mats i know it's like you took up like the size of like
01:16:56.620a foldable table basically like relax people just hate people just hate you for instance people just
01:17:03.100they were they stealing your mats or like putting stuff i'm not doing anything i'm not i'm not using
01:17:08.040any resources i'm not doing anything i'm just a person who's just walking around the campus like
01:17:13.940this like there's no big deal i know what we'll do we'll get a camera crew for truth and reconciling
01:17:18.920this is really blasphemous we'll get a camera crew and then we'll strap you to a wooden cross
01:17:24.220and then march you through campus and then people will throw stuff you know that'd be awful i'd be
01:17:29.500awful you know what it would be the stalks the stalks what's that okay you know the stalks it's
01:17:35.860a you put your hands through these holes and you put a thing over your head so you got your head
01:17:40.600and your hands sticking out okay and then people throw tomatoes and stuff at your face
01:17:45.160that was that was in the middle ages that was what people used to do yeah what what's really
01:17:51.960messed up about that though is that even thinking that would be funny is like it would just trigger
01:17:57.700this blood memory of the leftist and they'd be like we're gonna kill we're actually gonna
01:18:00.740lynch this person now and like it would get really ugly um yeah well i'm gonna do that as a poster
01:18:05.740maybe well that was kind of that was kind of gonna be my last question you've you've kind of uh
01:18:13.380summarized it there but i'll kind of reiterate it yeah truth and reconciliation day it's coming up in
01:18:18.620just a few days um you're gonna be at uvic you said yeah 29th 29th um should people
01:18:27.500how can can people support you do you don't want them there you do want yeah i want them there but
01:18:32.440it's just there we're gonna have to just do it on the fly because uh it's not gonna be in a any
01:18:38.500location it's gonna be i'm just gonna be wandering the campus i have a silly idea i don't i don't i
01:18:44.680don't know how amazon works with all this i don't know if you probably couldn't turn it around in
01:18:47.860time it's only a few days away but imagine you could get those like masks that was like like
01:18:53.980where you put that over their face and like it kind of like looks like the person you could like
01:18:58.160get off get a bunch of those and get a bunch of people that are like around your height get them
01:19:02.540in clothing that looks like you and then you could get like 10 different people assaulted
01:19:06.660on a truth and reconciliation day wouldn't that be great oh my god 10 different people
01:19:10.260there's a thought there's a thought uh something in the future the masks for halloween and leftist
01:19:18.980will do it because they're you're a scary boogeyman oh my god it's like hitler it's
01:19:22.560like dressing up as hitler for halloween you know joseph as francis widdowson wow um anything else
01:19:29.440when it comes to the you know uh truth and reconciliation day because i feel like they
01:19:35.700keep this is like a really new holidays it's like five five the fifth year the fifth year yeah
01:19:41.760and that's why it's very significant they're beefing it up every year it seems too
01:19:46.340uh it's interesting like the kind of they're a little bit nervous obviously in terms of how
01:19:52.480because people are are getting more and more irate about this the situation right the 20 we
01:19:59.560did the fifth year anniversary of the 27th like the the may 27th claim which was when there was
01:20:04.700the announcement that the remains of 215 children have been found we did an event on the lawn of the
01:20:09.820bc legislature that day and that went really well and there was no there was a little bit of you
01:20:15.340know kind of disruption but it was good because we had interaction and then um this is kind of
01:20:21.540like the grand finale because it's the fifth year once the fifth year anniversary has come and gone
01:20:27.880it's kind of like the next year is not going to be that significant as you know it's going to be
01:20:34.000the fifth year then it's going to be the 10th year then it's going to be the 15th whatever like
01:20:38.380whatever and then 25th of course you have the 25th anniversary but i'm really hoping that there will
01:20:43.500be the needle will have moved on this kamloops claim because it really is quite shocking
01:20:51.520i have a colleague at mount royal who teaches psychology so this isn't a woke
01:20:56.760indigenous studies degree or anything it's it's psychology whoa whoa are you are you digging at
01:21:04.380your own don't you have an indigenous studies degree no political science oh okay okay um
01:21:11.240anyway psychology is one of the most rigorous of the social sciences not that it's very rigorous
01:21:15.920but it's still when it's not it's not a made-up discipline anyway he gives a survey to his
01:21:21.760students when they come into the first year class and he has a whole bunch of questions and one of
01:21:25.940them is about the Kamloops case has a mass grave been this and 80 percent of his students his first
01:21:33.300year students believe that a mass grave has been discovered at campus that's unreal that so many
01:21:42.760students believe this like the degree to which this has seeped into the university and it's not
01:21:48.940so much the public anymore because i think the public is becoming a bit more critical a bit more
01:21:53.960skeptical but in the universities because you have and and uvic is really the the worst university
01:21:59.780i've seen in this regard they have all sorts of false information about the 215 all over their
01:22:09.020promotional materials and all over the library website i've never seen such you know sort of
01:22:15.060terrible kinds of falsehoods being perpetrated all over the place so uvic is is got serious
01:22:22.280problems in terms of how it is engaging with students about this case and so i really see
01:22:28.480this day on the 29th as my final kind of effort to have some truth about kamloops and and see if i
01:22:38.520can get don't say final don't say final anything francis it's just going to be another i don't
01:22:43.160want to say final i but but certainly a major kind of push uh in september 29th it certainly
01:22:50.360is a big day um it is a big day because it's so now they've kind of created this uh this new kind
01:22:56.460of holiday or memoriam day but but i can answer your question you're like oh how do people believe
01:23:01.760there's mass graves everywhere the government propaganda was insane it was insane it was it
01:23:07.440shoved down our throats so powerfully all this all this uh what's the term um uh it's not
01:23:15.500not misery now that'd be hysteria no it's the same thing during war
01:23:24.100atrocity atrocity propaganda right yeah uh which kind of like fears and spooks people
01:23:30.560yeah into uh you know buying into it or what have you but the final thing and the final thing i
01:23:35.600want to say about uvic just just to end on this is why uvic is so near and dear to my heart
01:23:41.980is because i have a i spent five years at the university of victoria between 1987 1992 i have
01:23:48.900a master's degree in political science from the university of victoria so i'm like deeply connected
01:23:55.320to this university campus and to have this university campus treating me like i'm such a
01:24:00.860a pariah and this horrible person and all and i'm discredited and i'm this and that
01:24:07.260that is really just terrible what uvic has done so i'm hoping with my approach this uh 29 you know
01:24:16.680and i'm just going in by myself i'll be everywhere and nowhere that you know uvic will not do
01:24:23.120anything silly or crazy and will just let me be on the 29th yeah yeah you know i i really i really
01:24:33.420want to end it there but i thought of another question okay uh that that is that is a good
01:24:37.860mic drop just let me be let me be um because you mentioned something where it's like hey i you know
01:24:45.420i used to be there on campus all the time um because because there certainly still is this
01:24:53.420thing that exists in a workplace with uh colleagues um hey we are all university professors we've all
01:25:01.220jumped through the same hoops we're all on the same campus we're all doing the same thing we're
01:25:04.680trying to teach the younger generation or something or push the envelope of information
01:25:09.120like there's there's some sort of there's a really good latin word for this but i don't know it
01:25:13.120there's some sort of uh you know familiar group conscience morale there um where did that go when
01:25:22.360did that get corrupted or or is there a specific reason of why you're just kind of not part of that
01:25:26.260anymore no it got you know like this uh the idea that you shouldn't have different perspectives
01:25:34.020kind of engaging with one another on these topics and for me it happened in 2008 that's when things
01:25:42.640started to go terribly awry because you know I'd been a dissident uh in the in the PhD program like
01:25:49.2401997 that's when I started my PhD and then uh I was always dealing with people who disagreed with
01:25:56.520me and sometimes it would get heated and people would get emotional and so on but no one ever
01:26:01.360thought it was wrong to have this kind of interaction take place and then in 2008 I was
01:26:09.820on a panel with a couple other people who disagreed with me and a woman whose name is
01:26:16.080Joyce Green she got up in the in the question answer and screamed at me why do you hate
01:26:24.300aboriginal people so much Francis or something like this and uh that's a loaded question by the0.84
01:26:30.400way yeah and I was like shocked that she would be doing that and she was completely unhinged0.90
01:26:36.260And I thought at that time that, you know, people are going to, you know, sort of see that as being a real problem. And they did. But the problem that they saw was me. And they were actually contemplating having me charged with hate speech for my presentation at that time.
01:26:54.840And after 2008, I was never able to be on a panel with people who disagree with me again.
01:27:01.460And that was really kind of it was over in terms of the collegial sort of thing where people would realize I disagree with these people, but we're we have different positions and we're trying to convince each other.
01:27:18.340and and then we're gonna try and sort it out in whatever ways and it might get hostile sometimes
01:27:22.860but in the end we'll just all come back and we'll try and figure out again it was over in 2008 and
01:27:28.760that's really that's it went it died like the university system died that day and uh we haven't
01:27:36.200got it back and no one understands the the danger and you know this is what this is all about is
01:27:40.880you know we have to be able to disagree at a university and if you can't be able to disagree
01:27:47.280it's not a university anymore and we don't have universities anymore
01:27:51.3602008 the day that university professors stopped being adults this just started acting like
01:27:59.360children amazing yeah um be interesting to hear if there's kind of other experiences around that
01:28:05.960time period um thank you so much for your time i do have one last question from a viewer in the
01:28:12.420audience in chat cunningham bear 76 says how can the average citizen deal with those who believe
01:28:19.600the mass graves exist is there a good spectrum street epistemology that's how you do it you ask
01:28:26.000questions why do you believe that you try and get them to explain it and i at the winnipeg the lot
01:28:32.280the latest winnipeg you know interaction we had the big thing with the police and the big thing
01:28:38.180with the security and then at the end two women came up and we had this kind of impromptu kind
01:28:44.940of spectrum street epistemology session on the Kamloops case and it was quite interesting listening
01:28:50.120to them because they their logic was just like whoa like like it was really but we got them maybe
01:28:56.960thinking a little bit about why they believe the things that they did and that's what you try and
01:29:01.340do you just ask people why they believe what they believe and whether what they what they would need
01:29:06.940to become less certain about it or more certain about it and that does help a little bit in terms
01:29:13.140of getting people to think about you know the case and the lack of evidence for what exists there
01:29:18.560yeah but is there something like simpler like a good like you know 60 second tiktok that's like1.00
01:29:26.460hey idiot this is why this claim is actually not so strong here's a few factoids for uh your dumb1.00
01:29:32.840ass uh you know not to be not to be crass well a big one is gpr so most people don't understand1.00
01:29:38.420that that gpr does not um locate human remains well hey maybe i don't know if it exists yet
01:29:45.600but i would love to help help you brainstorm like short short pieces of content that you can just
01:29:52.340send people because those can really be useful yeah when you're dealing with somebody and it's
01:29:57.640like oh well you know what do you mean it's a massacre and then like it's just a short like
01:30:01.100two-minute thing that kind of goes over all the stuff yeah um because the thing is yes they're
01:30:06.820zombies yes they want to tear your face off but zombies can actually be you know convinced in the
01:30:12.240other direction as well yeah yeah make it really snappy and good uh good good content you know
01:30:17.060yeah yeah um but hey thanks so much again for being on the show francis it's always a pleasure1.00
01:30:23.840it's always a good laugh to talk to thanos snapping indigenous elites out of existence1.00
01:30:30.340oh my gosh good luck on your searching for the infinity stone at um at uvic for truth1.00
01:30:37.260and reconciliation day yeah seriously though be safe and all that stuff because yeah these people
01:30:42.300are insane um and but yeah you know i will i will pray for you not to us not to a spider but i will
01:30:52.680pray to uh you know the man upstairs i know you know i know you're not doing that stuff
01:30:57.960it can't hurt it can't hurt and yeah for those who don't know you can also make sure that you
01:31:06.620are following francis widdowson on youtube and on the twitter yeah and uh those are those are
01:31:12.960your main squeezes and facebook facebook and my website is uh woke academy.info woke academy.info
01:31:20.800there you have it. Thanks so much, Francis, as always. And, you know, we will talk to you soon
01:31:28.300until next time. Okay, thanks a lot. It was a pleasure. Absolutely. Thanks, everybody for
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