Greg Wycliffe - Taking a Drive with Cancelled School Teacher Jim McMurtry

00:00:00.240 When someone gets cancelled, you just read about it and then you move on to the next article in the newspaper

00:00:07.000 or the next little screen shot or whatever on the television.

00:00:12.940 You don't really think about it. There's a human element to it.

00:00:16.460 When you cancel somebody, you do a lot of damage, not just to that person, but to his or her community.

00:00:22.800 So when you take a teacher away from his job permanently, there's a lot of kids left behind who go,

00:00:30.100 where's my teacher, where's my coach, where's my film director, where's my club supervisor?

00:00:34.400 Because teachers wear lots of different hats.

00:00:36.780 And where's the guy, where's that friendly teacher who just chatted with me at lunch outside the cafeteria and held the door open for me?

00:00:44.680 So that's the thing is that people are just so incredibly insensitive.

00:00:48.400 They call me insensitive for saying something that they perceive Indigenous people being upset with.

00:00:55.600 But of course, they're the ones that are insensitive.

00:00:58.540 They're insensitive to the feelings of all the people they hurt by running me out of the school system.

00:01:04.700 And this idea, again, that Indigenous children are hurt by their not being all sorts of murdered.

00:01:10.860 Indigenous people in residential schools, that they're hurt by the fact that you mean there weren't kids put up in hooks or put in incinerators or burned or thrown in rivers,

00:01:24.860 drowned in little babies that were killed after being, you know, their mothers, teen mothers, been pregnant by priests.

00:01:31.360 And it's an interesting thing.

00:01:34.900 The only way to avoid harm for a teacher is to peddle all these really dark, sinister stories against white Christian missionary teachers 100, 150 years ago to defame the dead.

00:01:49.660 Defaming the dead is considered to be perfectly normal. 0.96

00:01:51.880 And it's easy to do because they can't come back and say, oh, excuse me, I never hurt any child in Kamloops.

00:01:57.560 It's quite the opposite.

00:01:58.360 I had kids home during the holidays to my house.

00:02:01.800 I did all sorts of special things.

00:02:03.740 And they were my family.

00:02:05.020 In many ways, they were my own children.

00:02:07.060 You don't hear that.

00:02:09.180 But what you do hear, and people go, this is a story we want to tell.

00:02:13.420 It's about, again, little kids being killed by their teachers.

00:02:15.840 And I have a three-year-old grandson who was in a daycare, is in a daycare.

00:02:22.640 And he's not much past three.

00:02:24.480 Like, I'm just talking a really young kid.

00:02:25.980 He came home twice recently talking about what his daycare teacher was telling the kids, reading a book about residential schools.

00:02:35.060 I don't really understand how residential schools relate to anything in the existence of a three-year-old.

00:02:41.700 And I think they're generally, the way they're presented is dark.

00:02:44.820 I don't think they were dark.

00:02:47.240 But they're presented that way. 0.65

00:02:48.660 So what the heck?

00:02:49.760 So he's going, Mama, they took these kids away from their families.

00:02:55.560 And they were never seen again.

00:02:57.280 And they cut their hair.

00:03:01.260 It's just so sad.

00:03:03.220 A three-year-old can't process that.

00:03:05.620 You can't sit down and have a conversation and say, well, look, really what this is about, it's called virtual signaling.

00:03:10.620 There's politicians and other institutional leaders today who want to feel morally superior to everybody else.

00:03:16.540 So they make up things about the past and make it seem as though everybody before them were monstrous.

00:03:21.960 And then they come along in their shining white armor on their white steed and lead us to a promised land.

00:03:29.200 That's what you want to say to a three-year-old.

00:03:30.900 But the kid's not going to get it.

00:03:32.220 So you just go, oh, OK.

00:03:34.140 I hope you had a good day at school otherwise.

00:03:35.620 Yeah, no kidding.

00:03:41.940 I still remember when we connected on Twitter, on that Twitter space.

00:03:46.860 And I think we chatted on the phone.

00:03:49.400 And you were like, just let me know.

00:03:52.260 Let me know and I'll be there.

00:03:53.520 And I'm like, this guy's solid.

00:03:55.840 This guy is rock solid.

00:03:58.360 Well, you know what?

00:03:59.060 That's part of, if I've had any success, is that I am good to people.

00:04:03.940 Meaning anyone who writes me, whether it's direct message, whether it's just making a post on my home feed, whatever.

00:04:12.520 Wherever someone is, phones me, whatever.

00:04:15.220 I always give people time.

00:04:16.880 Because I think you have to try and build your own army because you're going up against.

00:04:21.440 This is very much, obviously, David Goliath's fight.

00:04:24.640 And, you know, I have my sling and stone.

00:04:29.700 That's it.

00:04:30.680 And they have just everything.

00:04:32.940 They have time and they have money and they have all sorts of resources.

00:04:37.460 And in my own situation, I have really no chance of winning.

00:04:41.460 People have told me that from the beginning, particularly lawyers in my family.

00:04:45.520 There's no way you're going to win.

00:04:47.100 You mean like legally?

00:04:48.080 Legally.

00:04:48.600 There's just no way you're going to win because you're going to go up against a woke adjudicator or judge, arbitrator, mediator, whatever.

00:04:55.680 You just, they're going to find a way to rule against you.

00:04:59.420 And they're not going to care what your arguments are.

00:05:02.300 Nobody's going to care.

00:05:03.260 And so people left me feeling rather defeated early on and make things worse.

00:05:11.140 Most people didn't believe what I was saying because I was long before anybody else.

00:05:15.740 I was the first day that they were saying about graves and candle loops.

00:05:19.680 I said, that's not true.

00:05:21.420 And then I was walked out and then got some publicity over that.

00:05:26.340 So I, at first, nobody believed me.

00:05:29.240 They thought I was just horrible.

00:05:31.260 I was called by many people the Jim Keegstra of our times.

00:05:37.400 The what, sorry?

00:05:38.360 Jim Keegstra.

00:05:40.160 So he's the Eckville, Alberta teacher who, in 1985, got into controversy because he was telling his students that Jews were in gutter riots.

00:05:50.620 And so he had some very strong, strong anti-Semitism.

00:05:55.840 And anyhow, he was a teacher and he was also the mayor of Eckville, Alberta concurrently.

00:06:02.660 So he was a guy that wasn't very, wasn't somebody that many Canadians thought much of.

00:06:10.360 And for a good reason, because I don't think he used students as pawns in any political game.

00:06:17.360 So I, I obviously wrangled a little bit, being referred to as the second Jim Keegstra.

00:06:25.920 And then over time, people recognized that what I said in the classroom was, it's pretty innocuous and absolutely correct historically.

00:06:35.340 And nobody is, nobody has proved anything that I said to be wrong.

00:06:39.300 But you realize after a while that it's something to do with truth.

00:06:43.160 It's something to do with facts.

00:06:44.180 It's simply who has power.

00:06:47.060 And if you have the regulatory bodies and our employers and all the institutions and certainly the political establishment in Canada against, you know, against anyone who is off script, how do you fight that?

00:07:06.240 And so what I've done, and I know, Craig, you're part of this, is you go on, find a form, some forum on social media.

00:07:17.180 For me, it's me next.

00:07:18.460 And you try and attract people.

00:07:22.140 You make some noise.

00:07:23.880 That's all it is.

00:07:24.720 But is that noise going to make any difference for me?

00:07:27.060 And people still say after four years, it's not going to make any difference for you.

00:07:31.180 And so I have lost my livelihood.

00:07:33.400 I haven't had any possibility ever again to teach.

00:07:39.160 So it's, so I'm not winning in that front.

00:07:43.260 But on the, and I'm not going to win legal.

00:07:45.840 I'm not going to, you know, get a big settlement and get my job back.

00:07:49.900 And I don't see any of these things happening.

00:07:53.100 I'm fighting for those things.

00:07:54.480 And I'm not taking a knee.

00:07:55.880 And that's probably something that not enough Canadians do.

00:08:00.560 Because I think the, that this whole woke edifice is like a house of cars that will collapse very quickly.

00:08:06.420 As soon as enough Canadians say, nope, not doing land acknowledgements.

00:08:10.140 Nope, nothing happened in Kamloops.

00:08:12.100 Nope.

00:08:13.000 Trucker con, nothing wrong with the trucker con, but nope, I'm not going to follow along with gender ideology. 1.00

00:08:18.680 Whatever, whatever the issue is, if enough Canadians stood up and did it, it would just end because it's just, obviously, it's, it's, it's depraved.

00:08:27.220 And, but, but in amongst all that gloom and doom that I'm describing to you is the fact that I really believe strongly that, that there's something more important than whether I get my job back or whether I get compensation or whether I win over people to my argument.

00:08:47.140 I don't think I'm even going to win people over to my argument because they're changing the language.

00:08:50.800 You're saying, well, no, the other side didn't say anything wrong at all.

00:08:54.080 And they didn't say there were mass graves.

00:08:55.540 They didn't say they found child bodies.

00:08:58.140 They didn't say they found actual graves.

00:09:01.880 They said they simply found targets of interest.

00:09:06.260 So the discovery was of what others think to be potential or suspected graves.

00:09:11.860 And you can't say they're wrong because presumably there are graves everywhere.

00:09:16.700 You look out the window right now and assume that there's graves on both sides of me in those fields.

00:09:20.680 So this is the, this is the problem for me is that the other side will never, they'll just keep changing the language and they'll never admit that they are wrong.

00:09:28.420 Of course, it's all written down that a few years ago, including my employer, said that I was guilty of serious professional, extremely serious professional misconduct for not agreeing that there was murder in Kamloops.

00:09:43.360 There were all these children who were secretly buried at night, some as young as three.

00:09:47.960 Anyhow, it was just the most lurid and fabulous description imaginable of a school where the teachers are mass killers and nuns with guns and so forth.

00:09:59.760 And it's just, anyhow, hard to believe.

00:10:01.480 So in the end for me, what I'm realizing in my case, wherever it goes, it's going to end well in this sense.

00:10:10.900 It's going to end well in the sense that I will know myself and anyone who cares to take an interest in my case will know that I did absolutely nothing wrong.

00:10:20.340 And that I was just a victim of a, of a, of a hysteria of a government and media conspiratorial effort to root out anybody who is a stickler for truth.

00:10:33.300 And I think they abused hundreds of thousands of school children by telling them these really disturbing, traumatizing ghost stories about all these dead kids everywhere in Canada in residential schools.

00:10:47.080 Sorry for that long.

00:10:52.200 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:10:53.400 That's my story.

00:10:54.320 My, my story is I'm winning in a, in a moral sense.

00:10:59.880 Well, yeah, it's, uh, there's, there's lots to, uh, lots to fix here in this country, but, uh, I, uh, my inception into all this was running for the PPC in 2019.

00:11:14.640 Uh, you know, like the people's party.

00:11:17.740 Yeah.

00:11:17.880 Well, yeah, of course you ran, you ran for the people's party, but I ran in 2019 back when it really was not popular.

00:11:24.160 Um, it was the climate change election, you know, and, uh, you can keep it open if you want.

00:11:31.640 No, I just don't want to be the tape.

00:11:33.640 No, that's fine.

00:11:34.620 These are pretty good mics.

00:11:35.660 So, um, but yeah, back then, if you opposed immigration, you, you were a heretic.

00:11:44.300 You, you, people thought you were a horrible person.

00:11:48.160 And now five, six years later, uh, people are like, yeah, maybe there is too much immigration.

00:11:54.440 And, you know, the, the child inside of me is like, am I going to get an apology or no?

00:11:58.780 Like, am I going to get, are you guys going to apologize for crapping on me and saying I'm the worst person ever?

00:12:05.040 Oh, now you agree.

00:12:06.520 You know, or they, or they change the language.

00:12:09.180 So that's my case.

00:12:10.560 So, so they're not, you know, they, they're confronted with the fact that, that the whole world ganged up to me and seen that way.

00:12:16.380 And, um, and nobody cared.

00:12:18.360 Nobody came to my defense in a single church or church person, not a single politician, not a lawyer.

00:12:23.220 Nobody, nobody four years ago came to support me.

00:12:25.780 Um, and then, of course, over time, people realized, oh, my God, he's absolutely right.

00:12:32.580 And then they start changing the language.

00:12:34.820 Well, we didn't say that.

00:12:36.840 Yeah.

00:12:37.820 We, you know, we didn't say anything like that.

00:12:40.400 Yeah, that's right.

00:12:41.060 We didn't say it.

00:12:42.240 What, what it was is you reacted to, to something that was absurd because all that was reported for years ago was the discovery of suspected or potential graves.

00:12:55.620 And how could you argue that there aren't potential or suspected graves on a, in an indigenous community where people have lived for hundreds of years, um, if not thousands. 0.87

00:13:06.540 So anyhow, so they make it seem as though I'm, I'm some sort of a logical fool.

00:13:12.040 Um, and yet, of course, what was said four years ago by them was in telling all the kids everywhere in Canada and getting to put red handprints on their faces or orange, cover themselves in orange and, and, uh, either be indignant enough to the point where they're almost ready to jump out the school window or, or cry whatever.

00:13:31.560 There were all tons of kids were crying when the camos broke because the teachers used it as a theater of the absurd.

00:13:37.340 They just worked kids into the deepest form of, of remorse and like a wailing wall in, in, um, in Israel. 0.76

00:13:45.260 Um, so.

00:13:46.620 It's like a wailing wall in the classroom.

00:13:48.320 That's exactly it.

00:13:49.520 Because they use the walls, right?

00:13:50.620 That's the important thing is the walls are, are kind of interesting because that's a lot of the teaching.

00:13:54.740 It's just the walls, kids are bored in class in many cases and they just look around and you've got all this, you know, these, this flag and that flag and, um, so the wall thing is an intentional analogy by me.

00:14:07.640 Um, interesting.

00:14:09.160 And so instead of the wailing wall, it's like the rainbow wall.

00:14:12.100 That's right.

00:14:12.760 But that's just one part of it.

00:14:14.080 Cause to me, there's six things here again and I will come back or mentioned the six things.

00:14:18.520 I will come back because I really want to, well, maybe I'll just say this right now before answering that and saying.

00:14:24.740 So what they're doing is they're taking history and they're, of course, deforming it, revising it, rewriting it.

00:14:30.500 They're saying that, um, all it was, was a potential discovery.

00:14:34.940 How could you have been against that?

00:14:36.640 How could you have at a time when people were very upset with this?

00:14:40.840 How could you be against that?

00:14:42.500 How could I be against simply what an elder was saying to be a potential suspected discovery?

00:14:50.860 Like how, how could I, how could I know more than the elder and how could I say there's no potential or no suspected graves?

00:14:57.820 Um, how dare you question the experts?

00:14:59.840 Yeah.

00:15:00.020 Yeah.

00:15:00.160 That's right.

00:15:00.540 But at the time, but they're not the experts.

00:15:03.040 I'm the expert.

00:15:03.760 I'm the guy with a PhD in, in educational, an educational history.

00:15:11.020 That's right.

00:15:12.040 That's right.

00:15:12.420 And, um, how, how can, how can they say that?

00:15:16.300 And then you go, you pick it out.

00:15:17.840 And this is what I went to Abbotsford on Friday to do with a group of people.

00:15:21.680 I put it up in a big, um, poster board, what they had wrote to staff and students and parents.

00:15:27.080 And it said that there are 215 child bodies uncovered in an unmarked mass grave.

00:15:35.780 That's what they're saying to kids.

00:15:37.340 And then, of course, explaining it to children in the classroom, they are saying that the

00:15:40.740 teachers murdered these kids and secretly buried them.

00:15:43.940 Yeah.

00:15:44.120 And then some teachers to win, you know, points and, and this, you know, these victim Olympics

00:15:49.520 and, and to get promoted in schools, they, they put their own stamp on it.

00:15:54.440 Well, they, did you know that the kids were also tortured?

00:15:57.160 Do you know that some of the kids were raped and their babies were put in incinerators?

00:16:02.080 And then they make it into a film that gets all the way to the Oscars called Sugarcane.

00:16:07.240 Um, so the, the residential schools things became something, you know, again, as you know,

00:16:11.680 equivalent to the tantamount to the Holocaust, putting babies, putting children in ovens and, 0.57

00:16:17.760 and huge numbers.

00:16:18.900 And, and, and there's not a single documented death, an intentional death in a residential

00:16:24.800 school.

00:16:25.460 And there are very few kids that have ever even died in a residential school, even though

00:16:29.100 diseases were rampant, like tuberculosis, they were sent home or sent to a hospital.

00:16:34.300 In many cases, they were sent home.

00:16:36.000 You know, they, they wanted the children to be with their families.

00:16:39.120 Um, so it's just so that the six things that they do in schools and their walls is, is,

00:16:47.120 um, the six areas.

00:16:48.520 So it's, to me, it's, yes, the flags are a big part of it and you have different flags

00:16:52.140 and so forth.

00:16:52.860 And it's interesting.

00:16:53.980 The rainbow flag is fun for me, uh, because, you know, there's classrooms where of course

00:16:59.000 there's still white kids and there's, um, you know, the, the, the rainbow flag excludes

00:17:03.940 white children, um, which is just to me, it really an awful thing. 1.00

00:17:08.140 So you have a color for, for brown and black, but nothing for white children. 0.96

00:17:12.780 So it's not an inclusive flag.

00:17:14.840 It's, it's, uh, it's a really nasty thing to do in a class to, to obviously punish children

00:17:20.720 for the imagined, in many cases, completely false sins of their, of their long ago ancestors.

00:17:28.240 But the, uh, so the six things that are happening in school that are all evident in the classroom,

00:17:33.780 the first one is the gender stuff, which is the worst of all, because you're getting, 1.00

00:17:37.640 you know, kids to do things to their body that were going to result in their lifelong

00:17:41.380 humiliation, sterility, and in many cases, at least their suicide.

00:17:46.140 Um, the second thing to me is the race stuff.

00:17:48.840 The kids are going to be defined by the race going through Canadian society. 0.80

00:17:52.140 And I think that's just complete nonsense.

00:17:54.760 In fact, it's often, it's the opposite of that we're seeing with people of darker hue or

00:17:59.680 often, or power or often, uh, have an easier time getting work than, than people who look

00:18:04.980 like me.

00:18:05.900 And the third thing is indigenization and the daily land acknowledgements and, and how their

00:18:11.440 way of knowing in many ways is superior to science.

00:18:14.440 And, and we have to, or it certainly is on, on par with it.

00:18:17.900 So, and then their content is also being, is replacing, um, regular content.

00:18:23.000 There's some schools come back, the genie, the gender stuff.

00:18:25.700 Someone, um, said to me the other day about 30% of, um, elementary school teachers time

00:18:30.020 in, in, in Waterloo is spent on the gender stuff, like 30%.

00:18:35.120 And this is a parent of kids in the school system.

00:18:38.560 So whether it's true or not, it certainly means that there's an awful lot.

00:18:41.660 So the indigenous stuff is just so, so heavy. 1.00

00:18:45.120 And so math is all being changed right now.

00:18:47.440 And you've got to change all the math books and make sure it's no longer two trains passing

00:18:51.420 each other at these speeds.

00:18:53.420 It's two canoes and, um, and it's, as though that's going to make it better for kids, you

00:18:59.660 know, it's going to make it harder for kids to actually, to relate to.

00:19:03.380 So the, the fourth thing for me is the, the censorship.

00:19:08.140 Um, there's an awful lot of censorship and it's, you see it of literature, you see it

00:19:13.460 of all sorts of things, the restricted speech and, you know, all the words you can't say

00:19:17.780 and, and the thoughts that you can't have.

00:19:20.660 And, um, then another thing it relates to, for me, to literature, how they're just, you

00:19:26.460 know, the, the new, the posters in the classroom are all of social justice, um, books that are

00:19:31.460 full of, you know, white people are bad and this poor native or, or Hispanic or black kid 1.00

00:19:36.840 or whatever was terribly taunted by white classmates. 0.99

00:19:39.700 So that's the sort of stuff that's replacing To Kill a Mockingbird and, and other literary

00:19:43.740 classics that are prized for their form and effect.

00:19:47.140 And then you have the revision of the, of history, then you have defamation of dead, then

00:19:52.960 you have lower academic standards.

00:19:55.240 Sorry, go on.

00:19:55.880 Is this all part of censorship?

00:19:57.540 No, I'm just going on.

00:19:58.720 I'm just making, I've gone, I've gone beyond six points.

00:20:01.160 I'm on to seven, but I'll stop there.

00:20:02.960 I'm just simply saying there's so many things in school and you see all this in the classroom.

00:20:07.120 And so the, the censorship to me is an interesting one because that's probably from a teacher's

00:20:13.620 perspective that the saddest thing of all is that, that teachers are feeling they're walking

00:20:18.960 in a minefield that they, at any moment, a kid with a cell phone can record them.

00:20:24.080 And I, that happened to me and, um, I, I was recorded.

00:20:29.420 And so it's really hard for a teacher right now, knowing that a child can anytime capture

00:20:34.300 you and take what you have to say out of context.

00:20:37.520 And, um, or maybe it doesn't have to even be out of context because there's so many things

00:20:42.080 that you can't say.

00:20:43.620 So it's a, you know, so when, and what I mean in a classroom, you see all these things and

00:20:47.720 you see all these, you know, things you can't say and things you need to think about.

00:20:50.960 And it's just in all these different subjects and you go, what, it's not just pride flags.

00:20:56.640 It's, it's much more than that.

00:20:58.220 It's a, it's a complete program of indoctrination.

00:21:01.340 It's, it's very much a cult.

00:21:02.720 It's a religion.

00:21:03.640 It's people who guided by high priests are trying to win over converts.

00:21:09.520 And you have kids walking around as these, again, social justice warriors who will string

00:21:14.760 up even classmates if they say the wrong thing.

00:21:17.320 What impact do you think that has on like the mind or the perception of a teacher when

00:21:23.460 they think that they might be recorded at any moment?

00:21:25.680 Well, there's all sorts of things.

00:21:26.800 One of the things is you recognize that all your students at any time could become snitches.

00:21:32.420 And, and that's a sad thing.

00:21:34.080 And that's what they do in a totalitarian society.

00:21:36.340 And the dystopian example of a totalitarian society is 1984 by George Orwell.

00:21:42.640 And the Parsons children turn on their own parents.

00:21:45.280 They report their own children, their own parents.

00:21:47.440 So I'm seeing increasingly in schools, when you look at teachers who get in trouble like

00:21:51.120 me, you realize it's not because parents have complained.

00:21:54.720 Because parents, in most cases, are much more reasonable than children.

00:21:57.580 Um, understand because they're older and wiser, but it's, it's that teacher says something

00:22:03.000 that a child has reported the teacher for saying, um, and, and being encouraged to report

00:22:08.260 the teacher.

00:22:08.840 If the teacher says something that is now, you know, in Orwellian terms is wrong speech.

00:22:14.920 That was just the conversation of me and Jim on the way to our sit down interview that

00:22:19.960 was recorded for the upcoming documentary I'm making entitled The Hate Network.

00:22:24.540 It's all about how Canadian institutions target, censor, and smear the reputation of Canadian

00:22:31.900 citizens who dare to publicly disagree with the ruling ideology.

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Greg Wycliffe - July 17, 2025

Taking a Drive with Cancelled School Teacher Jim McMurtry

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