Greg Wycliffe - Talking to MartyUpNorth who started the #trudeaumustgo trend

00:00:00.000 hey everybody are we live I think we're here I think we are live right now and I think we're

00:00:11.560 gonna start off with just by reading this I'm a 55 year old Canadian I'm married father to

00:00:18.660 four university educated and perfectly bilingual I'm an engineer solving problems for 35 years

00:00:24.960 I'm a volunteer hockey coach and an avid outdoorsman.

00:00:29.020 According to Trudeau, I'm an extremist who needs to be dealt with.

00:00:33.000 Hashtag Trudeau must go.

00:00:36.040 I'm here with the one and only Marty Up North.

00:00:39.720 And I got to say, Marty, that is a great tweet on its own.

00:00:46.480 You know, it's a banger tweet.

00:00:48.420 It says, hey, I'm a regular person.

00:00:49.800 I'm an outdoorsman.

00:00:51.360 And according to Trudeau, he thinks I'm an extremist.

00:00:54.960 Yeah. And I don't claim, you know, I didn't invent the tweet or the style of the tweet. You know, I've been on media platforms for decades, YouTube for a decade and Twitter probably three, four years now. So, you know, of course, you've seen those kinds of things. I definitely do not claim any ownership of that tweet. It's something I saw. What's important is why I felt like tweeting that.

00:01:19.520 and and you know and i think that's what we want to talk about because i've had people say that

00:01:24.480 you or you stole the the format of the tweet it's like well that's like telling me that my

00:01:29.280 my telethon is not original or my garage sale is not original i mean it's pretty hard to have an

00:01:34.160 original idea same with the same with the hashtag itself you know there's people that say the

00:01:38.400 hashtag existed before it's in my opinion it's not the hashtag that's viral it's the

00:01:44.480 it's the sentiment behind the tweet and what people decided to do with it yeah and there's

00:01:50.760 always going to be critics I mean it's something that I've noticed especially in the world of

00:01:55.360 you know Canadian politics the second you start to do something that's actually effective the

00:02:01.420 second you start to do something that people are paying attention to all the haters all the critics

00:02:06.020 show up and I honestly just treat it like they're there to they're designed to be there to get under

00:02:13.660 your skin in the political world but i i also it's also an interesting weird canadian characteristic

00:02:20.740 you know um not that we're haters but you know i've traveled to the u.s and canada a lot you

00:02:27.420 know if an american suddenly has a nice whatever bmw in this driveway his neighbors will go hey

00:02:32.700 john nice job you know looks like life is good for you you nice car you know whereas in in canada

00:02:38.680 we have a different you know we'll say something like oh nice car in sort of a passive aggressive

00:02:45.240 tone and so we don't we don't we don't celebrate ourselves we don't celebrate we're canadians we

00:02:51.000 have a different culture than than than americans but to your point in the political spectrum that

00:02:57.560 it can get pretty ugly with haters you know or on on faith you know it's a different phenomena but

00:03:03.080 but it's an observation, yeah.

00:03:05.580 I'd love to come back to that

00:03:07.200 because I'm personally, you know,

00:03:09.400 I kind of tripped and stumbled and fell into politics.

00:03:12.620 I joined the PPC in 2019.

00:03:15.900 Like many other PPC people joining at that point,

00:03:18.480 we were very naive to the nature of politics.

00:03:21.160 And since then, especially during the pandy,

00:03:24.420 the pandemic over the past couple of years,

00:03:26.460 I got to say, I've been really disappointed

00:03:28.600 in like the like the character as a whole of Canadians and I think you kind of touched on

00:03:36.040 something really important there which is this sort of passive-aggressive sort of it's it really

00:03:43.760 exists in Toronto this I can't be happy for you like I'd rather not be happy for you I'd rather

00:03:49.300 kind of just nag at you sort of mentality but thankfully with all that's going on I think a lot

00:03:56.300 a new kind of a new uh not brand a new breed of canadians is is being uh you know put in the

00:04:04.500 forefront so well i'm sure it's it's a new breed but hopefully it is a new breed but i also think

00:04:10.780 we're just bringing back you know canadians have a persona we we have and some of it is coming back

00:04:16.380 i think during the last three years maybe even seven um something got buried and it's coming

00:04:22.860 back you know I was talking to somebody else the other day I mean you know we were talking about

00:04:26.720 hockey you know almost everything comes back to hockey when you're a Canadian but I was talking

00:04:32.820 about you know the weird nature of Canadians I witnessed the first NHL classic you know between

00:04:39.700 Edmonton and Calgary outdoors and it was a day where it was minus 32 you know it's minus 32 and

00:04:46.580 I'm outside with 20,000 other Canadians we're cracking beers and they're freezing while we're

00:04:50.960 drinking them and i'm looking around us going like who does that you know and so we're canadians and

00:04:55.680 oh and and we love to be together we love to help each other and and this whole period of the last

00:05:01.920 three years uh dehumanized us and decanadianized us i think yeah yeah i like that decanadianized us

00:05:12.100 that was a great way to put it um and i think to summarize like what decanadianize is i would say

00:05:19.260 something like we went from a very high trust society to a low trust society like like they

00:05:25.240 really thrust all this stuff don't trust your neighbor don't trust your family members don't

00:05:29.380 trust you know anyone unless and you got a politician like i think he did it on purpose

00:05:36.020 i'm not going to mince words i think trudeau did some of this on purpose he took advantage of that

00:05:40.020 good nature of canadians you know um for instance like when you look in in this whole vaccine thing

00:05:46.340 and it's important because it's it's kind of the genesis of my tweet but um canadians a lot of

00:05:51.920 canadians wanted to do the right thing so the the the idea the idea of protecting each other

00:05:58.440 matters to canadians so you know it did resonate there are canadians who said no i'll take the

00:06:03.260 vaccine to protect grandma or somebody else and we heard that over and over but then then it went

00:06:08.600 too far because then then suddenly there's still some canadians who who for very valid reasons

00:06:14.300 chose not to get vaccinated and i don't need to get into that it's your right as a canadian

00:06:18.540 and and now we were you know and trudeau was demonizing that so he's trying to play both

00:06:22.460 sides you know to uh and and and then and then if i look back the the good-natured canadians

00:06:29.260 feel abused and now the minorities feel abused and the good-natured canadians who historically

00:06:34.780 protected minorities are coming together and going back to protecting the the canadians so

00:06:39.500 some real solid canadian values are coming right back up so that you know that's yeah that's it's

00:06:46.380 an observation of the last seven days i mean i've been in it like i said i i didn't say it yet but

00:06:54.220 um i'm not the leader of the movement i just did something that resonated but but by my position

00:07:01.500 where i'm at today i've been i've had center seat to something incredible i've been bombarded and

00:07:07.020 And I've learned more about Canadians, politics, Twitter, everything in the last three days.

00:07:12.860 I mean, you said you were sort of naive going into politics.

00:07:16.240 Man, I thought I was a sophisticated YouTuber, Twitter, and I had a good sense of politics.

00:07:24.620 And I realized, oh, man, I was naive as well.

00:07:26.860 I mean, it's a complicated, it's complicated and dirty.

00:07:30.880 Politics is dirty.

00:07:32.180 And can you give me examples of the last seven days?

00:07:35.320 of uh like is that just speaking to the criticism you perceived or the fact that

00:07:41.480 no it's speaking to so many things i mean

00:07:46.600 how to break that down rephrase the question ask me a question um you you mentioned the uh

00:07:56.040 the sort of ugliness of politics that maybe you've experienced over the past week would you say

00:08:01.480 there's a specific moment that you've had over the past week that really made you think wow like this

00:08:06.360 is this gives me an icky feeling this gives me a feeling of um yeah what was the what was the

00:08:11.400 worst yeah so let me let's give a little bit of context so you know my tweet goes out and the

00:08:18.200 tweet resonates with people that's fine that's great it resonates with people and and they're

00:08:23.640 they're similar to me and then i'll say this i mean i i made it through like all canadians i

00:08:30.040 I was affected by COVID.

00:08:31.380 I had some bad moments in COVID, but I have to be honest.

00:08:34.360 I made it through pretty unscathed.

00:08:37.140 I'm fairly resilient, and I live in the mountains,

00:08:39.080 so I kept my wits about myself.

00:08:42.280 But so in the first day after the tweet went viral,

00:08:47.200 I started getting bombarded by Canadians,

00:08:49.520 and the first thing that happened to me is I had Canadians reach out to me

00:08:52.820 and tell me their stories.

00:08:54.540 And so the first moment was like, wow,

00:08:57.020 I was hearing stories that were just devastating, you know,

00:08:59.300 people who um veterans who got discharged dishonorably discharged for not wanting to get

00:09:05.300 the vaccine uh business owners who were harassed by police and hit with summons day in and day out

00:09:11.300 because they they resisted and stayed open mothers who couldn't see their kids play hockey whatever

00:09:17.060 and so i had all those stories and so then suddenly i was like i i i connected with a with

00:09:24.660 with a thousand other canadians and then there's this pivotal moment where um

00:09:31.220 gerald butts gets a hold of this you know somebody must have tapped gerald on the shoulder

00:09:35.060 and say hey gerald there's something happening and gerald goes out on the internet and says uh

00:09:40.180 you know along the lines of i'm aware of this and it's all uh you know don't worry about it folks

00:09:44.900 it's all russian conspiracy and it's bots so me naively i reach out to gerald in a public forum

00:09:53.140 saying hey gerald you know i i think i'm the guy who started this and uh man i like this is real

00:09:58.340 like you know there's people that are impacted by this and i think you should hear their story

00:10:02.420 so i reach out publicly on twitter and he blows me off so then um you know i i picked up my phone

00:10:10.580 and if you followed the the timeline i i went in the backyard i made a little video because now i i

00:10:17.380 was taking it personal i'm like come on gerald you got to listen you you got to listen to these

00:10:21.460 people there's people that have been genuinely hurt by policies of this government so i i do a

00:10:27.380 video to try and make it even more personal and i go online and show that video and then gerald

00:10:32.100 comes over the top and says well i have no doubt that martin is real but um the question now is

00:10:39.620 who's paying him who's motivating him so you know so first realization canadians have been hurt

00:10:45.700 policies of this government have hurt canadians and and i'd say almost on purpose which is

00:10:51.220 terrible but if i give them the benefit of the doubt they were still a lot of canadians were

00:10:56.580 hurt so then and and then you realize that gerald and others i had engaged you know if you if you

00:11:02.580 did see some of my twitter uh timeline i had like almost a battle with um dean blundell

00:11:09.780 is it dean oh dean yeah yeah don't go there right and the man is that guy ever what's the word uh

00:11:18.260 venomous you know toxic so and and then that some brief moment because he was on the same line as

00:11:25.300 as gerald which is very which is very interesting the fact that like a former shock jock who was

00:11:33.300 as like a popular morning show host in Toronto,

00:11:37.500 all of a sudden has the exact same opinion

00:11:40.240 as Jerry Butts of like the liberal party.

00:11:43.360 Like it's very, it's very interesting.

00:11:45.100 Yeah, and then he tells me, you know,

00:11:47.440 he's like, well, I'm only in, you know,

00:11:50.620 he's defending himself saying, I'm not a so,

00:11:52.540 I hate Trudeau.

00:11:53.420 Look at this story I once wrote about Trudeau.

00:11:55.240 So I don't like Trudeau.

00:11:56.160 I'm like, hmm, I don't believe you anymore, you know?

00:11:59.980 And anyways, I don't even want to talk about Dean.

00:12:03.180 just blocked him it's it's it's ugly and um so so the the realization of the machine that is

00:12:10.780 suppressing the voice of canadians was a shocker a huge shocker for me so that the the i knew there

00:12:18.700 was something like that but now i'm no longer naive it's like wow it's it's it's a big machine

00:12:24.700 so then the third thing is so who's gonna come in to the rescue who's gonna actually

00:12:29.820 this is a story i'm like in my mind i'm like there's you know let's let's round it up but

00:12:34.380 there's a hundred thousand canadians who've been hurt somebody should isn't that a story worth

00:12:40.700 telling and nobody like so it's it's guys like you that came out and and questioned me americans

00:12:50.300 came on board first but independence right so viva fray down in the u.s wanted to talk he's

00:12:55.980 an exiled canadian i guess he's um he lives in montreal doesn't he he's not in the states

00:13:01.500 or he's not in canada well he lives in montreal i think he jokes about being exiled in florida

00:13:05.340 i think literally he's been in florida sort of unable to fly back to canada or decided now he's

00:13:09.580 gonna you know right but he's a canadian and um so the independence but it was mostly podcasts

00:13:17.340 like this uh the odd story from independence but then it now it climbed a little bit because after

00:13:23.260 the the the true independence the biggest network what would you call the next level i mean the the

00:13:29.820 biggest outlets would have been brian lily did a little piece and he's you know and i'm not an

00:13:35.260 easterner so i i gathered lily is um not a trudeau fan yeah yeah he's he's a bigger deal out here

00:13:44.300 that's sun news right yeah so brian and a few other people but but still and then people on

00:13:50.700 twitter i've been trying to reach out to people to journalists saying like don't you want like

00:13:56.140 you could make a name for yourself you know we we played almost a we played almost a joke i mean

00:14:02.300 not a joke but i i've seen lately how this rachel gilmore girl was trying to sort of become relevant

00:14:09.020 so i told everybody take the tweet that you made your post and now put it in her timeline and tag

00:14:15.100 her and so if i go down her tagline she literally has a thousand people who sent her their story

00:14:22.780 and she's still not running with it what did she run with yesterday she ran with a story about

00:14:27.020 chickens and nyquil so i'm like okay whatever you know you're irrelevant then you're done but if

00:14:33.260 somebody wanted to legitimately find a story so that is nobody interested in stories it's it's

00:14:38.540 i'm baffled i'm baffled yeah yeah that's um that's quite that's quite the experience

00:14:44.860 And what sticks out to me is first you mentioned the kind of the first moment of feeling devastated or feeling the icky feeling is probably when Jerry Butts is like, hey, he has a way on Twitter of being very dismissive, condescending and having a lot of contempt for anyone who disagrees with him.

00:15:08.360 he doesn't say like, oh, I don't disagree with you. I'm just going to like subtly dehumanize

00:15:12.320 you and tell you that you're being manipulated by somebody. It's very icky. It's very a gross

00:15:17.760 feeling. And then, yeah, on top of that, the media not caring. The media not caring. The

00:15:24.800 media not making any sort of movement to cover a real story. And in many ways, that's the reason

00:15:31.580 I initially even got involved in politics. I just saw that our media was actually getting to a

00:15:35.540 dangerous degree of being biased and actually not covering real stories. And I thought, wow,

00:15:40.500 this trend isn't going to reverse itself, especially if the media is not talking about

00:15:45.060 it, right? Yeah. Now, the interesting thing now, now, now we're a week into it, you know,

00:15:50.060 and it's, some things can't be ignored. I mean, I, you know, the other thing I saw that was,

00:15:54.100 was the manipulation behind the scene of, of Twitter and the algorithms and the hashtag

00:15:59.320 itself and and again i don't believe that that's um that is not coincidental there's there's powers

00:16:06.020 at work there whether it's gerald butts calling or somebody calling twitter but there is some

00:16:11.140 manipulation or if it's somebody that twitter who takes it upon themselves to do it there's

00:16:15.040 manipulations thank god there are independent websites that allow you to track data and so

00:16:23.420 you know people are saying it's only 500 000 and there's evidence that it's

00:16:27.840 two million retweets right now so anyways but but the manipulation was interesting yeah yeah and

00:16:34.000 specific to that it like uh twitter stopped kind of like posting the um the hashtag or that's kind

00:16:40.640 of like disappeared right it disappeared for a while from the trending screen right right but

00:16:48.160 then it came back but then they play other games you know so if you type in uh so the hashtag that

00:16:54.160 i was using is trudeau must go now they do funny things if if you try to type it in it'll go true

00:17:00.080 must go and it auto finishes on so trudeau must go on so then if you're not catching yourself

00:17:05.760 doing that and going backspace backspace you're retweeting with trudeau must go on and so there's

00:17:11.360 this these these battles now that can be perfectly legit because a group of people can can um create

00:17:18.000 their own hashtag but then and then and then i had fun you know gerald butts accuses me of being a

00:17:25.920 whatever a bot factory and then and then three days later we're being attacked by bots i mean

00:17:30.960 they're so blatant you see people that just criticize tweets and retweet and then you go oh

00:17:36.880 wow three followers and uh and and zero follow backs or whatever following three people and i

00:17:44.160 I saw one with zero, like zero.

00:17:46.620 And I mean, you know, the numbers don't matter as much.

00:17:49.820 But what I think is very telling of that and very ironic is what was great about this little organic trend and campaign that happened is you have Canadians showing their faces.

00:18:04.000 Yes.

00:18:04.660 Showing their faces and saying, hey, I am a regular Canadian and Trudeau thinks I'm an extremist.

00:18:09.800 And the thing is, you're right.

00:18:11.180 something that i don't even pay attention to too many different people on twitter

00:18:15.820 especially when they're kind of like leftist attacking me or whatever because yeah you go

00:18:19.940 to their profile they don't have a face picture they're and have you noticed this if you've been

00:18:24.720 on twitter if you guys have been on twitter for some time in the canadian political world

00:18:28.200 you'll always find there's some like liberal supporting twitter account user and they're like

00:18:34.400 hey i'm like a liberal in alberta you know it's like always some like anonymous account they

00:18:41.040 claim to be in edmonton or alberta and they had like they're following the liberal party of

00:18:46.620 canada's like marching orders to a team twitter should implement some sort of system where you

00:18:52.280 have to validate that you're a human being i don't know how that's possible but i i'm i i'm

00:18:58.140 beginning to think that there is there is a real mass of of fake accounts on there that are being

00:19:04.460 manipulate but anyways it's so that was interesting to to witness that um i do want to move the

00:19:11.940 conversation along a bit here because uh this whole scenario reminds me of something uh that

00:19:17.500 a friend of mine told me which is um everything in canadian politics is so controlled and he used

00:19:25.040 the example of pebble gate or the or the scenario where uh somebody threw like pebbles uh near

00:19:33.120 Justin Trudeau like when he's getting on his campaign bus or whatever and this person was

00:19:38.200 saying like it just goes to show like that little scenario just blew up into epic proportions and

00:19:44.380 it just goes to show how controlled um everything is here in the kind of Canadian political landscape

00:19:50.480 and I think this is another great example where you tweeted out all you did was tweet out a banger

00:19:57.420 tweet it was just a great tweet it was you know it exposed the absurdity of the narrative which is

00:20:04.540 you know trudeau thinks that all these people are extremists when in reality they're regular

00:20:09.580 hard-working people i mean and and what better than you marty to start the trend you have an

00:20:14.860 outdoors channel like i didn't even tweet that tweet because i think five days earlier you know

00:20:21.340 my tweets lately have been boring i mean my i was originally known for my covid analysis and

00:20:26.940 i'm getting i want to move on past kobe so my recent tweets have been boring and i said hey

00:20:31.340 see you guys later i'm going on a four-day hike which got cut short so but i want to come back to

00:20:36.220 your comment on yeah everything's controlled and now again i i'm becoming so um skeptical now

00:20:45.100 i don't even think that trudeau singing bohemian rhapsody is a coincidence that had to be like are

00:20:52.380 Are politics in Canada so nefarious now that somebody said, hey, this is a way to change?

00:20:59.260 And I know it is because I actually published on one of my posts, I found a website that tracks the organic growth of the hashtag.

00:21:10.520 And you can see it climbing up and you can see the dips at night when Canadians are sleeping.

00:21:15.840 And then there's this sudden dip, and it absolutely correlates with a new trend called whatever, Bohemian Rhapsody.

00:21:24.200 And so – and everybody in the room that day when Trudeau was singing had to be vetted.

00:21:28.960 There's no way that comes out by accident.

00:21:31.380 There's no way.

00:21:32.600 Well, I mean, I don't want to participate too much in the –

00:21:35.740 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:37.360 Okay.

00:21:38.400 But that's an interesting theory.

00:21:40.380 That's an interesting strategy to bring up, you know, to change the subject, so to speak.

00:21:47.220 Hey, let's just kind of post something kind of humiliating about Trudeau.

00:21:51.800 But he's a good singer, right?

00:21:53.560 So his supporters will still like him.

00:21:56.180 I wanted to kind of ask how you got into sort of the Twitter sphere.

00:22:02.280 And more specifically, I was looking at some of your interview with Viva.

00:22:06.180 And I get the impression, I think you said something along the lines of,

00:22:09.260 I try to encourage people to, you know, use their critical thinking skills and you try to, you know, change people's minds.

00:22:17.740 And I think that, you know, the tweet that went viral is a good example of that, of, hey, assuming that a liberal might read it.

00:22:24.120 Hey, I'm a normal person and Trudor thinks I'm an extremist.

00:22:26.740 I wanted to ask, because I have, I came in, you know, being very hopeful to change people's minds as well.

00:22:35.940 and it's certainly an uphill battle certainly a challenge and especially after covid it's a lot

00:22:40.500 it's a lot of misinformation to fight it's a lot you know we're basically fighting the biggest

00:22:45.900 propaganda campaign that's ever happened in human history so i guess i want to ask kind of what is

00:22:51.700 your philosophy when it comes to that what is your sort of strategy i guess when you do you're

00:22:57.340 asking me a great question actually can can um if you'll bear with me i'll say a couple of things

00:23:02.720 So, you know, so a democracy, some are some people will argue that a democracy and I'll wrap it up.

00:23:10.120 But some people argue that the democracies have been around since the Greek times.

00:23:13.380 But I think our modern democracy, like the American ones, is very different.

00:23:18.440 It's it's it's been modernized.

00:23:20.660 It is the will of the many, which is can be scary because we have minorities.

00:23:26.440 Right. And so we could we could overthrow minorities all the time.

00:23:29.440 but um we've put things in place to protect the minorities things like our constitution and so

00:23:35.080 forth and and then and then we the democracy works better when uh we have an informed public

00:23:42.440 that votes so that that's one of the tenets of our democracy but then you also look around

00:23:48.380 our democracy has evolved to you know ours in particular has um somebody in power which has

00:23:55.900 role and they make the rules we have somebody in the opposition that holds that group accountable

00:24:02.140 or tries to and then we have a fifth estate you the journalists who are supposed to hold

00:24:08.380 both of those group accountable but they're also the journalists have a role to educate the public

00:24:14.140 to properly educate the public so that the public when it's time to do their voting is educated

00:24:19.500 and then there's a fourth group which is the engineers like me and the lawyers and the

00:24:23.820 accountants who who who get consulted by the government the public the the act and the

00:24:29.980 journalists so that we can provide a um an informed opinion on policies and things like that and when

00:24:36.620 i look at what's going on lately it's like all three level all four levels have collapsed

00:24:41.660 and and i'm trying to take advantage uh so one of the pieces i i take my role seriously as a

00:24:48.940 as an academic expert i'm not an academic i'm an expert you know i've been working in oil and gas

00:24:54.940 for 30 years and i'm an engineer so my role is to i should be consulted and and and upon but now with

00:25:03.420 twitter i i get the opportunity to play that role the way i think it's designed which is my job is

00:25:08.220 to help educate in that whole cycle of uh of our democracy and and and the examples for me have

00:25:14.860 lately, like I said, we're COVID. So my job was if somebody said something like, hey, you know,

00:25:22.500 whatever, 80% of Calgarians are already vaccinated. I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Think about this

00:25:26.900 critically. Like there's, you know, there's a million of us in Calgary. And you're saying that

00:25:30.500 in the last three weeks, we vaccinated a million people. Does that mean that everybody took a week

00:25:34.660 off from work? Because if you do a million people, you know, then I'll say to somebody, okay, how

00:25:39.720 long does it take to vaccinate someone? Five minutes? Perfect. Five minutes. So a million

00:25:44.220 people would take five thousand five million minutes and five million minutes expired in the

00:25:49.300 last three weeks so i use that that's my platform on twitter that's what i've been just trying to

00:25:53.740 do is literally educate play my role as as a to help make sure that the public is informed so

00:26:00.540 that they can do their job when it's time to vote and now and for me being in the middle of this

00:26:06.280 storm has shown me that the powers that be at the government are trying to suppress that education

00:26:13.200 the electorate takes it willingly. There's a whole manipulation going on. If I try to do

00:26:19.700 something, I get blocked. I mean, I'm on my third Twitter account because if I get too close to a

00:26:24.960 certain narrative that's deemed inappropriate, I get zapped. You know, and when I got to the habit

00:26:30.800 where when I was talking about COVID, I made sure that I would source my data from a government

00:26:37.500 website and literally put the citation and the link of where i got my data and and the moment

00:26:43.820 i forgot to put the link somebody went bang your misinformation and i got cancelled so uh that's

00:26:53.500 is does that answer your question like where are we going with this one but that's

00:26:58.060 that's what that's my role in twitter yeah yeah no education being patient and you feel like it's

00:27:04.860 it's your duty to educate people and I think that is a uh a major um challenge and something that

00:27:12.480 does need to happen because you know there's just such a divide that's grown um not even just in

00:27:18.760 Canada but but across the world um you know people live in two different realities now you know and

00:27:24.100 there's a weird paradox you know the the internet was supposed to make us more intelligent because

00:27:29.460 it was supposed to give us more information at our fingertip but it didn't make us more

00:27:34.240 intelligent i'm i'm beginning to to question and i'm beginning to think it's making us dumber

00:27:39.360 yeah and and with with internet technology um you know when people i tell people if you want

00:27:47.340 to really understand the world you have to you have to really meditate on how the capacity to

00:27:54.660 produce propaganda distribute propaganda target propaganda and measure how effective the

00:28:01.460 propaganda is has never been uh this high in terms of how how efficient the propaganda machine is

00:28:08.540 i i mean i'll i'll give you another example greg like i you know it's just a weird personal hobby

00:28:14.060 of mine but i contribute to wikipedia and and i'm not contribute like i'm contributing to wikipedia

00:28:19.580 in the um the outdoor forum you know sometimes i see a mountain in in in in my travels and i go

00:28:26.620 oh there's not a lot of information on that mountain or there's no picture so you know so

00:28:30.200 got into that habit but it it and and and and even on something as innocent as you know um

00:28:38.840 the name of a mountain there's an argument i used to think that wikipedia was always

00:28:43.800 very self-regulated but there's there's people who will erase what you put and put something else

00:28:48.840 and so um during a trucking convoy i was in i was i was witness to the manipulations going on

00:28:56.680 for instance with the um gofundme webs uh wikipedia site it was crazy so it's yeah we're in

00:29:03.960 that information age where it's hard to discern what's real and what's not and and again and i'm

00:29:10.760 not going to give up on that i'll you know the discussion we had we there's no perfect way to

00:29:15.080 detect the bot but we have sort of tricks and things like that but some people you know if i

00:29:19.640 talk about this whole topic to my wife she she has no idea she even in a household like mine with

00:29:27.080 me and three sons that are engineers i have a wife and daughter that are not interested in this stuff

00:29:32.440 you know and i think the majority of canadians are like that unfortunately yeah and i think a

00:29:37.800 common thing that's happened which is like really really shouldn't be the case but it's becoming

00:29:42.280 very common and we don't really put it talk about it in these terms but what you do doing research

00:29:47.720 trying to explain things to people, trying to, you know, tell people stories of what's actually

00:29:52.400 happening. That's the job of a journalist, you know? Yes. Why is somebody like yourself who

00:29:59.100 already has a lot on your plate, already has, you know, a day job and all this stuff going on,

00:30:05.760 why are you doing the job of a journalist? Why am I doing the job of a journalist? Like at the

00:30:12.580 trucker convoy for example I interviewed hundreds of people and I didn't plan on doing that I went

00:30:19.460 there the first day captured a few interviews and then when I saw how the news was covering it

00:30:24.040 I was like wow I guess I will interview people because the media clearly has no interest in

00:30:31.100 you know documenting what's going on here so well and I'm feeling the same way I mean you know I

00:30:37.920 in a sense i feel guilty because i'm leaving tomorrow and i gotta go hiking and now i've

00:30:42.760 already had people say oh please marty don't leave or you know you need to keep doing what

00:30:47.720 you're doing and and i'm feeling guilty and i i'm feeling the obligation because i discovered

00:30:54.160 something to do it but i'm also discouraged because nobody else is doing it it's it's yeah

00:30:59.640 it's a you know i was when you were talking i was remembering the role like of of the journalist

00:31:05.220 It's such a weird role nowadays.

00:31:07.260 I mean, in the good old days, if somebody said it's raining outside and somebody else said, no, it's not.

00:31:11.040 Well, the journalist's job was to stick his head outside the window and see which one was telling the truth and who wasn't.

00:31:18.160 And now the journalist picks the side of one guy and says, yeah, it's raining outside.

00:31:22.080 That's it.

00:31:23.000 Like it's not investigating.

00:31:25.240 It's a whole occupation.

00:31:26.660 It's like a whole class of people that are shaping the way people think.

00:31:32.220 And historically, I don't really know if that's always been – to use the fall of Rome as an example.

00:31:37.800 Was there an equivalent to a journalist back then?

00:31:41.080 I don't know.

00:31:41.640 Maybe this is kind of like a new class of state propagandists that we need to deal with because back – people like to make comparisons to the 20th century.

00:31:52.760 All they really had was brochures and flyers and posters back then.

00:31:57.640 even at the end of world war ii or during world war ii you'd go to the movie theater and

00:32:03.240 and the beginning clip would be a little bit of censored images from the war somewhere yeah no

00:32:09.960 society's evolving we're we're going to evolve these things i mean they're you know um

00:32:16.040 like i look at uh well yesterday i became yesterday was the first time i'd ever became

00:32:21.320 the target of a meme i was like wow yeah i became the target of a meme you should take it and then

00:32:26.760 take it as a compliment sure and and and then and then my wife said well that's terrible i'm like

00:32:32.600 oh god compared to what trudeau gets subjected to let's say and she's like well we never used to do

00:32:37.960 that to the other prime ministers i'm like yeah but that's not that's because the technology to

00:32:41.720 do it to other prime ministers didn't exist so you know you couldn't do a meme of john

00:32:46.600 on Diefenbaker very easily in, in 1958. Sure. So, um, that's a good point, but I would say,

00:32:54.200 uh, Harper got it pretty bad. Uh, that's kind of actually when I first started to, uh, really

00:32:59.480 involve politics for the first time. Cause I remember just like, I would look on my Facebook

00:33:03.920 feed and I thought it was fascinating how effectively, uh, they were vilifying him,

00:33:09.100 uh to yeah to make him seem like Hitler or whatever but um yeah I mean let's go let's go

00:33:17.220 back to this trend let's go back to your tweet and you know how crazy is it that they are trying

00:33:24.760 to squash something that is just so simple like their whole narrative hangs on this idea that

00:33:32.760 everyone who doesn't like Trudeau is literally crazy and the second that regular Canadians just

00:33:38.620 start saying hey i'm not crazy sell the alarm bells it's actually it's not that the canadians

00:33:46.100 aren't saying i my observation after reading the tweets not reading the tweets the canadians are

00:33:53.060 saying something innocent i'm not who you are or i'm not who you say i am they're saying that's

00:33:58.340 one thing they're saying in that short blurb but when you talk to them they're hurt the ones that

00:34:04.620 are doing that are actually most of them are hurt they're fed up and they're tired of being

00:34:09.000 of of feeling dehumanized and and and um demonized and decanadianized and we've invented a word

00:34:18.480 so they have to squash that they being the liberals because their message well almost

00:34:26.040 every government's message every government's message is we're here for the people and our

00:34:29.840 job is to make the lives of the people better and and independent of the tactics they use

00:34:36.800 i you know i'm naive again if if you did because in my world in my world as an engineer you know

00:34:43.660 the compressor is running one way today and then i go and make a tweak and then the next day it

00:34:47.820 doesn't run as good and i made the wrong tweak in my world i just go put it back the way it was

00:34:52.600 yesterday okay done and no harms we tried to improve it it didn't work put it back the way it

00:34:57.740 was in politics they can't do that they can't do that you know i mean i'm joking at them you know

00:35:03.460 there's there's there's there's collapses of the airport and something's not working at the

00:35:07.640 airport and the joke is well go back to the way you did it five years ago and hopefully it'll be

00:35:12.680 you know bring it back to what it was so the liberals any government wants to promote something

00:35:19.380 but this government in particular went too far used some nasty techniques but fundamentally hurt

00:35:24.300 people really hurt people and and um and so that's the story they have to hide you know in a perfect

00:35:32.200 world they should look at this and go oh my god we fucked up you know we hurt a lot of people and

00:35:38.040 we're gonna sorry we're very sorry we're gonna adjust and they could salvage it that way but

00:35:42.740 they're they're being advised differently and they're not gonna go down that path they're just

00:35:46.260 gonna try and bury it so more i mean some of the stories that are being buried are ridiculous like

00:35:51.220 i didn't know this we we we canada um dishonorably discharged like 10 000 soldiers

00:35:58.840 and that's not even a story that's a lot like people who put their lives on the line for the

00:36:05.540 country got dishonorably discharged like i talked to a guy who got blown up by an ied

00:36:12.060 ied the ied and um and and and then and then he he was not out of combat he called it he was still

00:36:21.420 active still capable still working but then he refused the jab and he said and i'm refusing it

00:36:27.420 based on you know we were injected 10 years ago and whatever and and for some other conflict in

00:36:33.820 kosovo or whatever we all got sick from that one and we and and and i'm not doing it and they were

00:36:39.740 the government tried to say to those guys well no you're disobeying an order and they're saying no

00:36:44.960 it's an illegal order anyways they got discharged and i hear the story from that guy he's like i

00:36:49.460 still have five years left and now i'm devastated and i'm on the shitty pension and my government

00:36:55.760 is fighting me i'm like wow that's insane but that's just one example so um yeah the government

00:37:02.000 just can't admit that they made a mistake and go back on it though though that's that's just

00:37:08.420 an observation i it's a theory it's a theory but it's it's a lot of governments but then the flaw

00:37:13.380 of my theory would be um are other governments because other governments did the same thing

00:37:20.340 will some other governments be able to admit an error or you know i i i don't know yeah and it's

00:37:29.940 um you know did did cbc write a headline the global news read a headline 10 000 people discharged

00:37:37.700 and you know it's it's very ironic these these uh you know the liberal media and the very popular

00:37:44.580 trend of being a nice liberal canadian you know if you want to find a group of people who are just

00:37:49.780 treated like trash absolute trash and dismissed constantly in this country look no further than

00:37:56.180 canadian veterans they are treated like absolute trash by the state by major institutions by

00:38:02.260 politicians like politicians will pander to them and then the worst example of this is justin trudeau

00:38:10.180 saying to uh his first name was brock i forget his last name but he talked to a veteran more

00:38:15.220 than yeah the guy has one leg yeah the guy has one leg and you said to his face you're asking

00:38:21.300 for more than we're able to give like that's sociopathic i i remember witnessing that moment

00:38:27.700 thinking oh you're going down for this one and then it didn't and he didn't go down yeah and

00:38:32.900 then of course the media is always carrying his water for him right it's like oh well why why

00:38:38.120 telling a veteran with one leg he's asking for too much is actually a learning experience and

00:38:42.900 it was actually uh you know they will always twist it uh one way or another but um sir i don't

00:38:50.980 know what to say right now because what you brought up is really making me angry uh well

00:38:55.700 Well, and I have lots of friends who are veterans.

00:38:59.980 It's a community that I hang out with.

00:39:02.160 And I have friends that were in Afghanistan and places like that and came back.

00:39:11.800 It's no joke, man.

00:39:12.860 We were losing something like 22 veterans to suicide per month, you know, in the years immediately following Afghanistan.

00:39:20.400 So for the veterans out there that are listening today, I've heard some of your guys' stories.

00:39:26.860 Sorry.

00:39:27.840 And man, you guys, you guys, you're right, Greg.

00:39:31.320 You guys got it bad.

00:39:32.480 You guys got it bad.

00:39:34.460 I'm pissed off.

00:39:35.260 We need to go to a happier subject because I'm pissed off.

00:39:39.820 Okay.

00:39:40.800 So let's talk about, what do I want to ask you about?

00:39:47.460 We were talking about the media.

00:39:48.720 we were talking about how they're trying to put a lid on this hashtag um maybe let's talk about

00:39:55.500 the future and oh let's talk about europeans maybe a little bit because you know there's been some

00:40:01.360 um have you seen some of the comments lately so trudeau's stunt in in london backfired so

00:40:09.120 when we talk about journalism i worked in the uk and i love british journalists there is still that

00:40:15.580 there are still british journalists who go after politicians regardless of their stripes they do

00:40:22.140 you know they're known for that so the tabloid thing in the uk is a big one so i applaud some

00:40:28.140 of the and and so this mo this movement is trending and it made you know there's been some

00:40:33.260 interesting comments coming out of the uk from some british politicians not only about trudeau's

00:40:39.420 behavior during the singing but they've noticed that canadians are are speaking out uh through

00:40:46.140 this movement so you know yeah but go on let's let's pick another topic or let's let's let's

00:40:52.700 move on um yeah and i think that speaks to how terrible uh canadian news media is when uh foreign

00:41:01.660 media outlets do a much better job of actually telling what's going on in canada but um let's

00:41:09.340 let's talk about what one more sort of uh heavy topic because i think it's important and i feel

00:41:14.380 like you alluded to it earlier i i was asking this question at the convoy what has been the worst

00:41:22.860 moment for you in terms of dealing with like very unmanageable social challenges during the pandemic

00:41:31.420 it's like something that you never want to have to experience again just because personally for you

00:41:36.620 personally yeah like whether it was like a family member whether it was like something at work or

00:41:41.020 just just the kind of unbearable social challenges that came along not just with lockdowns but also

00:41:47.980 oh i i mean i i yeah well some very lighter moments are the fact that i did not witness

00:41:56.360 two of my sons graduating so the you know two of my sons graduated um remotely which was crappy

00:42:04.240 and i felt crappy for them i mean you know graduating turning 18 and graduating high

00:42:09.520 school is is is is the first important milestone in a in a person's lifetime in my opinion it's

00:42:16.240 the first big one we have many but it's a big one it's probably one of the biggest ones so i

00:42:20.240 so i wasn't able to uh they weren't able to appreciate to enjoy that and neither was i

00:42:27.360 uh as part of that um i've had problems from work i mean i you know i've i've been um my

00:42:37.920 my income has suffered but but that's fine we're still managing and then i had a big one that that

00:42:43.520 i'm unable to bridge the gap right now i had a blow up in my backyard um with a family member

00:42:50.480 uh over the vaccine and and and and it was a blow up and we we haven't spoken in um in over a year

00:42:58.720 now and and i'll i'll find the moment to maybe reconcile but i'm i'm at that point at this

00:43:06.100 point i'm incapable of and um so yeah you know those i mean i can think of other things but i

00:43:16.040 don't even want to make it about me because like I said I think I'm pretty strong and I managed to

00:43:22.920 come through this fairly unscathed and actually one of the reasons I came through this unscathed

00:43:28.260 is the power of being in groups that is powerful and but I am surrounded in my work community and

00:43:37.180 in my living community and in my YouTube social community by like-minded individuals and as a

00:43:44.820 group we supported each other and we made it through so i mean and and and for me um

00:43:51.940 i actually at the peak at the worst part of covid in 2021 i i met an incredible individual uh named

00:43:59.300 evan robertson and uh we we went on hiking adventures and we hiked in the wilderness and

00:44:06.420 we stayed we slept under the stars a hundred nights in 2021 2020 when the when when at the

00:44:14.020 the worst of the pandemic and uh and and that saved me evan yeah there's a lot to be said about

00:44:23.680 uh how therapeutic it can be to just you know get back to nature right get some fresh air go for a

00:44:29.100 walk um and i'm blessed for that here i mean i can see the rockies from my backyard i should grab

00:44:35.800 the camera i can't do it but i see i i live north west of calgary and uh and that's the other thing

00:44:43.060 i've been blessed because i when i come home i live in the country so i can somehow i turn down

00:44:48.020 a certain country road and then when i'm going down that road it's like whatever else is gone

00:44:52.360 i'm i'm and then my phone this is an iphone 6 that barely works so most people have a hard time

00:44:59.440 getting a hold of me and uh and i can turn it off and disappear and and i feel bad like i said i do

00:45:05.980 feel bad and so i'm just hear me out people i i here's the context i'm going hunting on

00:45:13.580 friday and i will be gone for seven days and and that's just to tell you i wasn't intending to make

00:45:20.780 this movement i don't want to be the leader of this movement i i i apply it's a lottery to go

00:45:27.020 hunting i've been applying for this lottery for five years i won the lottery back in june and i

00:45:31.180 I planned this hunting trip and I'm going hunting and, and,

00:45:34.820 and nothing would make me happier than coming back from hunting next week and

00:45:38.600 finding out that this movement is still going,

00:45:40.820 that I've still inspired people and that you guys have, have,

00:45:44.500 have supported each other and found more courage to tell your story.

00:45:48.680 And if we keep telling the story, somebody, they can't ignore the story.

00:45:52.520 I mean, you know, Greg, I don't,

00:45:53.760 I don't think they can ignore the story forever. The story is showing up.

00:45:56.980 They cannot ignore, you know, they can try and bury it,

00:46:00.740 but it'll show up in other things.

00:46:03.280 They can't ignore it.

00:46:04.580 It'll show up somewhere else.

00:46:06.300 And yeah, I really see it as kind of a repetition of the same story.

00:46:11.340 Like, I still think the story is what happened at the trucker convoy

00:46:15.740 and how this regime, which is what I like to call it now,

00:46:20.200 this Trudeau regime, the mask fell off.

00:46:24.940 The proverbial mask has fell off.

00:46:26.540 It's like, wow, so you're ready to sick police horses on your own people

00:46:30.700 instead of talking to them that's a pretty big deal and the fact that that you know the other

00:46:35.080 story on top of that is the media not talking about that and this is another example where

00:46:39.220 you know very organic very cute very beautiful Canadian like this the CBC should be all over

00:46:46.460 this in terms of what the CBC likes to talk about oh look at this these diverse Canadians

00:46:50.920 and they're just standing up like can you imagine if you this campaign I mean I'm not going to call

00:46:57.240 the campaign this trend that you haphazardly happened to start imagine it was you uh complaining

00:47:03.260 about like a conservative politician like harper or something like that hey harper like i'm not

00:47:07.500 crazy you know the cbc would have been all over this they would have been gushing um and actually

00:47:14.380 you're making me think of something here i think history will look back at the trucker convoy and

00:47:21.360 it's more important than we think it is and history will record that and and and some of the

00:47:28.320 people and it saved it was a pivotal moment that might have saved us that did save us and some of

00:47:34.700 the people that i've been talking to lately the really interesting people if you really you know

00:47:39.000 the ones that get this are the people who came from behind the iron curtain and so and i i met

00:47:44.940 somebody like that and a very intelligent educated lawyer uh from red deer and we were talking and

00:47:51.640 you know she said that the the the mass psychosis and the the the tyranny there lasted like 60 years

00:48:00.200 it's like think about that you know we were we were we were manipulated and controlled and denied

00:48:05.500 our rights for 60 years and the help didn't come from anywhere else and we knocked down the wall

00:48:10.420 on ourselves and we got out and and she she's as an observer of history as a witness to history

00:48:17.940 she's convinced that if we hadn't done the trucker convoy we might have that that what's happening

00:48:24.020 in our country could theoretically go on a lot longer than we think and and she's she's so

00:48:29.460 thankful for the trucker convoy she thinks that is a pivotal moment and when i when i digest that

00:48:34.660 with her i i kind of tend to agree i i i think what the truckers did is is is incredible it saved

00:48:42.900 us i think so too and uh the media was running headlines at the same time saying hey we're uh

00:48:49.860 we're bringing back restrictions but it has nothing to do with these uh truckers uh you know

00:48:54.740 holding ottawa hostage nothing to do with that at all um let's go ahead what no no no that's sorry

00:49:03.540 um let's talk about let's talk about the future let's talk about i want to know kind of you know

00:49:10.780 well first of all when are you running for politics

00:49:13.460 i've been asked that so many times you know what my my my answer before was always no

00:49:24.280 for one big reason which is i didn't want to subject my whole family to this abuse and and

00:49:31.380 back and i'm not joking the question's been asked of me many times in the last 10 years

00:49:38.020 and basically that was always the answer i don't want to subject my family and myself to this abuse

00:49:43.860 and people would try to convince me that marty if you throw your name in there you will have a

00:49:47.940 network of support and there will be people that will help you in the abuse will be manageable

00:49:52.340 and and i'm realizing that maybe it is manageable um and so this this this might spark that i have

00:50:02.980 that desire to be in politics i i do think i could be a a voice and and i have in my dna you

00:50:12.700 know my dna as an engineer might suit me well in politics because my dna as an engineer is to find

00:50:19.140 win-wins i've had to do that my whole life you know if i if i want to put a pipeline through

00:50:25.060 a landowner's land i'm not gonna i'm not gonna do it through brute force i'm going to negotiate

00:50:29.860 with him and find the agreement you know what's the money that can be done can i go this way

00:50:35.060 through your land how about how about while i'm going through your land do i reshape it a certain

00:50:39.060 way so that after i'm done you can have a dugout for your cows and get water what can what's the

00:50:44.900 win-win and i and and so win-win was necessary in my line of work and and and then and i was good

00:50:53.140 at it because it was in my dna and maybe it would serve me well and i think that's one of the things

00:50:57.380 we need in this country or i i think trudeau is the guiltiest of that that guy thinks win-lose

00:51:03.460 if if you win i've lost and he cannot win-win does not exist for trudeau so

00:51:09.780 So were you asking a serious question or was it a joking question?

00:51:15.460 It was half serious, half joking.

00:51:19.140 I like to put people on the spot because let me just share my journey getting into Canadian politics.

00:51:27.880 So I didn't know what I was doing, right?

00:51:31.780 But I saw how biased the media was and I thought, well, you know, this trend isn't going to be reversed unless people do something about it.

00:51:39.780 So, uh, you know, I joined the PPC, I got involved and I met a lot of like-minded people.

00:51:45.440 And I mean, like-minded, almost like we had a similar experience.

00:51:48.640 We knew nothing about politics, but we knew something had to happen.

00:51:51.860 It was clear that, you know, the people representing us in parliament didn't seem to be actually

00:51:57.360 wanting to truly represent us.

00:51:59.360 Um, and yeah, I've had a lot of like-minded people as in like, we were inexperienced,

00:52:04.260 completely inexperienced, completely naive in over our heads.

00:52:07.940 uh like i remember at the ppc conference someone was like uh well you know we got to make sure to

00:52:14.900 do this and that so we don't get called racist and i and i was i i shook my head i'm like i'm

00:52:19.840 so sorry my friend but you're gonna get called racist no matter what happens you know it doesn't

00:52:25.740 matter what you do you're gonna get labeled you're yeah did no one tell you that and like whoops but

00:52:31.680 But I asked you the question to, first of all, just plant the seed in yourself and anyone else watching.

00:52:39.900 Because I truly think to get our country back or to get this place back on track, we need politicians, not even politicians.

00:52:50.060 We don't need politicians.

00:52:51.120 We need real Canadians in the parliament buildings.

00:52:53.580 That's what we need.

00:52:54.760 And what we have right now is not that.

00:52:58.160 and back to like the juxtaposition of my journey into politics before that i was a professional

00:53:04.380 in toronto and you're a professional yourself so you probably know when you're in the professional

00:53:09.980 world i was in sales and marketing so i'm interacting with many different companies

00:53:13.540 many different individuals who am i meeting i'm meeting bright canadians who really care about

00:53:18.860 what they're doing they're super smart they're super bright they you know they create win-win

00:53:24.280 scenarios. Like they're, they're hard workers. There are these amazing, competent people who

00:53:29.200 care. And the moment I step into the world of politics and start to kind of keep, start digging

00:53:36.080 and looking around, I see opportunists. I see incompetence, of course. And I just see a bunch of,

00:53:44.760 it's just horrific. And I asked the question, why, why are there no people in like the downtown

00:53:50.860 toronto professional core how come none of these people are making it into politics it's almost

00:53:55.900 like only like the worst type of narcissist opportunists are making it into the world of

00:54:00.620 politics and i think if we can simply solve that problem i don't care if you're left right i don't

00:54:04.620 care if you're a smart professional you know start to start to consider consider this um it's actually

00:54:12.940 you bring up a thought in my head one of the reasons i haven't run for politics happens to

00:54:18.860 be the fact that in the area where i live you know i live in in the writing here is called whatever

00:54:24.860 uh cochrane airdrie or whatever and so anyways both federally and provincially the the the

00:54:32.540 candidates in my writing have always been business people we've almost never elected career

00:54:39.340 politicians in this writing and that's one of the and they were and and all the i i'll say this in

00:54:45.180 all honesty that but all the people we've elected over the years here have been great representatives

00:54:50.380 of of this region and and me particular so i i i couldn't run because i didn't want to run

00:54:57.980 i didn't want to run against them at the um at the constituency level you know just to take away

00:55:03.740 because they're doing a good job so if i had it but now now with this experience and if at the

00:55:09.340 at an upcoming election somebody does one of these incumbents doesn't come back i i might throw my

00:55:14.860 name into the hat i mean my my ppc incumbent and i was close to voting ppc last year was uh nadine

00:55:21.340 wellwood i don't know if you know her but you know so a very smart lady and i met maxine bernier

00:55:26.620 three times so um and and and i i i i mean he he almost had me because the the the i was thinking

00:55:36.940 what do i value more the the alberta independence or or the attack on my freedoms and he was he

00:55:43.340 he almost had me on, they both go hand in hand. You know, if you have your freedoms,

00:55:47.160 then you don't need an Alberta independence. So let's work on the freedoms.

00:55:50.940 And so his message of restoring and making sure that our freedoms aren't trampled is resonates

00:55:56.440 with me. My caveat, the reason I still couldn't vote for him is, is unfortunately after, you know,

00:56:04.840 my opinion now I've traveled the country, I've done everything. My opinion is that confederation

00:56:09.560 is is an experiment that that that's failed and won't work I and so and what Max was saying sort

00:56:17.120 of at a high level is I think I can make confederation work and and I'm like well for

00:56:21.820 you in order to make confederation work you first need to get elected and you can't get elected

00:56:26.120 unless you cheat confederation and make extra promises to Ontario and Quebec so he's in a he's

00:56:31.980 in a catch-22 and um but but and and and i'm very honest about this i re-approach every election

00:56:39.460 independently and it's a fresh start i mean during the last even the one even this one which i thought

00:56:45.680 was a very bogus call for trudeau i went and met you know nadine and max and then i went and met

00:56:52.400 the uh you know um um my my conservative mp and and and a guy named uh tarik uh as as the maverick

00:57:03.920 so i went to talk to everyone and because i i have to do that because i'm not a hypocrite i'm

00:57:10.240 i am who i am when i say i educate people and having an educated um being educated and making

00:57:16.480 an educated decision so i'm still naive i still vote with my i still vote according to

00:57:23.040 i vote for the person i think best represents and is most open to ideas that's that's i'm still

00:57:28.800 naive that way i mean uh we all have our own political journey but um so i i do i do want to

00:57:38.560 ask here uh before we go we'll wrap this up soon uh would you consider yourself right wing more

00:57:46.480 right wing or I think I said well everybody else has moved so far to the left that I'm

00:57:51.500 god I'm de facto right wing um no I'm in fact I have the word liberal in my tagline for for

00:58:01.220 Twitter but I I am a classic liberal in the classic sense you know trying to progress ideas

00:58:07.240 forward and and uh I I do believe in in in society having a a you know the trying to help

00:58:15.200 everybody else so i'm a liberal in the classic sense um but but i'm definitely i'm right wing

00:58:21.280 i mean if you if we're gonna go left right i'm right um but i'm you know sure i'm yeah so that

00:58:29.360 leads into uh this this question which is kind of a broad question i'm just kind of curious what

00:58:34.080 what you might think of it um you know aside from the conservative party the ppc the many kind of

00:58:42.560 separatist uh you know western parties aside from the different parties aside from the policies

00:58:47.760 aside from like you know the rebel news and everything kind of in the right wing sphere

00:58:51.760 what do you think the right wing is missing in canada

00:58:56.700 oh that's a good one what's the right i think

00:59:07.140 what the right wing is missing is that it's it's it's moving too far to the left and it's becoming

00:59:15.720 the left and and what it's missing the fact that is that there is an appetite for a right wing

00:59:21.760 so if you look at states like florida and north dakota and places like that so there there there

00:59:28.760 is a so it's the true right true left and and so the right has gone too far to the left and so i

00:59:36.000 think the right needs to go where it belongs, which is, you know, fiscally responsible and

00:59:42.140 individual responsibilities with a blend of social responsibilities, the whole, the proper

00:59:48.040 right wing and don't get sucked into the left. And, well, and I think we're going to get a huge

00:59:55.640 boost that way because the left is imploding on itself. I mean, it's, the left is, the left is,

01:00:01.680 we're the left is exposing itself and we're finally seeing just how ridiculous i mean look

01:00:06.520 at the events of this week you know like that guy is it in your neck of the woods the guy with the

01:00:10.260 the the prosthetic breasts who's going to school or whatever like i mean the like

01:00:14.340 at some point even even parts of the left are gonna go okay whoa that's it right so

01:00:19.380 the the is that's my answer i mean that you know i yeah to be honest i haven't thought of it too

01:00:26.740 too much but that's my answer that's my thought yeah yeah i think i think that's i think that's

01:00:31.420 great answer i think i i would agree with you and and i think that um

01:00:38.540 this is something that is going to be a challenge because i think that many uh

01:00:44.540 progressive conservatives it's kind of an oxymoron you know uh being a progressive conservative like

01:00:52.380 how progressive are we going to be to allow people like this into our schools who have these

01:00:57.980 prosthetic uh breasts you know but but but you know i just want to have another thought on this

01:01:04.220 though it in fact the left and the right the left the right isn't doing anything wrong per se brought

01:01:11.340 it on a global level i mean if you look at the popular vote garnered by the right the you know

01:01:17.100 the harper and and o'toole and everybody's done good so that if if you wonder why they're not

01:01:26.140 elected it's not necessarily because of the policy that the the whole system is rigged against them

01:01:30.460 i mean you guys in toronto and in montreal have just so many votes and so um do you want do you

01:01:36.860 want to win by changing your policy or changing the game and at this point i'm kind of afraid that

01:01:42.060 it's having to change the game i think if if if we had real proper proportionate representation

01:01:49.020 i actually think the right resonates with more canadians i mean it should you know canadians

01:01:53.500 like what's the number like it's it's it's astronomical like 60 of canadians don't even

01:01:57.820 come from here you know we're we're first generations or or or second generation or

01:02:02.860 we're immigrants not don't come from here 60 of canadians weren't even born in canada something

01:02:07.740 like that and and we tend to have um close family relations and value actually fairly conservative

01:02:15.580 values so i i don't think that in terms of policy the right is not doing anything wrong it's it but

01:02:25.260 they're not playing the game that's perhaps one of the problems i mean somebody has asked me that

01:02:29.500 before you know that like calgary voted a very bizarre socialist mayor not too long ago and

01:02:36.300 people said like did they cheat i'm like no they didn't cheat because we can see it in the math

01:02:40.380 you know that we can see it in the ballots and stuff like that they didn't cheat they just played

01:02:43.980 the game way better i mean they had no they had no scruples they didn't care if they had to go to

01:02:48.060 the old age home grab everybody put them on a bus and say hey we're going to tim hortons to get

01:02:51.740 donuts and by the way we're stopping at the poll at the voting station i mean they they're they're

01:02:56.300 they're disgusting that way and and and one of the conservative values of the right wing values

01:03:01.820 is to play by the rules and to play fairly and to be nice and and that's hurting us so

01:03:08.140 i i don't think we need to necessarily change our rules our values but we need to play the game

01:03:13.980 Yeah, no, that's a great summary. And I think you're absolutely right. When it comes to the actual game of politics, the right wing is getting crushed. Like we're getting crushed. And a good example is, you know, just think of how a left wing politician will deal with the crisis and how, you know, a right wing person will deal with the crisis.

01:03:35.560 A left-wing politician will, they'll say, oh, did someone on the right-wing mess up? Resign,

01:03:42.220 resign, resign. And then the second that a right-wing person, you know, is criticizing a left-wing

01:03:48.500 person, maybe they're yelling at them. It's like, oh no, you shouldn't yell at them. You shouldn't

01:03:54.740 criticize them. That's unclassy to do that. That is just how domesticated, like the left-wing

01:04:01.960 establishment has made uh the right wing like it's like they have our nuts in a jar already

01:04:07.260 and yeah and i think just like to summarize it then we'll move on to another topic i think the

01:04:12.600 biggest obstacle that the right wing all needs to kind of figure out is we need to break out

01:04:18.660 and destroy the left wing moral framework so many conservatives are hypnotized to thinking

01:04:26.740 being racist is the worst possible thing you could possibly no being a child abuser is worse than

01:04:31.640 that okay and that's and they're doing that to themselves right now they're doing that to

01:04:35.600 themselves right now which is you know it's hilarious because um i think the progressives

01:04:40.700 got so far that they're actually reversing progress at this point and it's coming back

01:04:45.660 to bite them you know an example of that um you know the let's say the reversal of roe v wade in

01:04:52.720 the u.s i'm like hey don't don't cry man you you guys went so far one way that you that it's coming

01:04:58.880 back and now it's biting you and this is not on us this is on you so um yeah interesting interesting

01:05:05.580 um what what are your thoughts because i think this is actually relevant maybe more relevant

01:05:11.620 than than most conservatives realize um are you a man of faith do you think uh christianity or

01:05:19.340 any type of religion should should play a role in like what guides the right wing

01:05:23.500 um that's a tough question for me i i'm not a person of faith you know uh i think um

01:05:35.740 my scientific background now after 30 years of being an engineer and people always say that

01:05:40.540 people try to convince me that hey marty you can reconcile that you exist because there's

01:05:44.940 a greater power i'm like i have a hard time with that one so i i'm more of um keep keep

01:05:52.700 keep the religious story out of the out of the picture i i and it's a it's it tends to be a trap

01:05:59.140 and very divisive i i you know i i don't talk religion i i i i respect everybody for their

01:06:05.360 religion i got no problem with that but i'm me personally i'm not a religious person sure sure

01:06:11.440 i think that's a fair answer um however yeah i'd have to be prepared for that if i run right so

01:06:18.340 no well i like i'm you know i'm still tumbling down the political rabbit hole here but i feel

01:06:25.600 like right now the popular religion is is this sort of progressive wokeism you know it's this

01:06:32.280 religion of like you know if you don't pay the carbon tax and the world is going to end

01:06:35.600 you know if you are a straight white man you are a sinner like this isn't officially a religion

01:06:42.000 but all of the characteristics of a religion are there and i feel like their right simply

01:06:48.680 cannot compete unless they have something uh that powerful and i would and i would argue that

01:06:55.740 christianity is the closest possible sort of thing to kind of fill that gap but uh we don't we don't

01:07:01.020 have to you know no no that's a great observation i mean i you know i i um the the the climate

01:07:08.980 alarmist group at this point is very similar to religion i mean they're making a claim that is

01:07:14.920 that has to be supported and that can't be proven otherwise i'll argue that i mean we

01:07:19.660 you know you can't no matter what the co2 model whatever model you want you can't prove them

01:07:24.740 scientifically because you would need you would need two earths one here one there and you need

01:07:29.340 to do the test that's me very pragmatically speaking so i have to take something on face

01:07:34.060 value and you're right religion is that so um so i i i get what you're saying it's sort of like

01:07:42.060 both sides need uh if both sides need a fiscal policy both sides need a a a family policy and

01:07:51.100 both sides need a uh a dogma so i i don't know something you know i'm oversimplifying it but

01:07:57.260 our religion versus theirs and you're saying that the the left has a a wokeism that has become in

01:08:03.740 de facto a religion i i buy that i i buy that that's a very interesting concept i love science

01:08:10.380 don't you don't you believe in the science tm well don't go there with me that's a no no no

01:08:16.480 yeah i hate that yeah that's a whole other podcast that i'm sure we can have

01:08:22.520 yeah um is there anything else that you wanted to add uh that or that you wanted to talk about

01:08:28.080 um or should we just well we talked about me i guess we'll close it on the segments are you

01:08:32.400 done with politics then or are you going to run again you think oh wow um so i'm certainly not

01:08:39.300 done with politics uh but i don't see myself running anytime in the immediate future i think

01:08:48.160 that um i want to be very involved politically with uh commentary and especially with uh stirring

01:08:57.260 the pot with canadian culture and a kind of directly adjacent way to politics but um

01:09:05.740 i could see myself running in the future but um

01:09:09.740 i not not anytime soon i i wanna i wanna continue to you know

01:09:16.940 i wanna continue doing some some good content creation do more journalism stuff kind of

01:09:21.900 document what's actually happening here and we need that actually we we need your style of

01:09:26.460 journalism so we definitely need that but on a scale of one to ten what was your intent being

01:09:31.020 positive what was your experience with your your your your political journey oh my god um i uh

01:09:39.500 i was a zero it was i couldn't believe it man uh i i was running in a very like uh leftist riding

01:09:46.620 in downtown toronto parkdale high park i had i had communists like the communist party protesting

01:09:52.940 against me calling me a white supremist and all this handing out like flyers uh i had grown men

01:09:58.940 running for the ndp and the green party turn their backs on me at a debate every time that i

01:10:04.620 stood up to spoke uh i had 18 year old volunteer an 18 year old volunteer uh being like shouted at

01:10:11.720 and physically intimidated oh you're already so let's get out here like he's an 18 year old

01:10:15.740 volunteer i had to go up to him and be like yeah it's a volunteer he's 18 like do you mind do you

01:10:20.640 to talk about something oh you're running away now great i also had a man of like indian heritage

01:10:26.640 who was another volunteer and he was he was getting stuff like thrown out of him and stuff

01:10:32.880 so it was it was it was funny you're not encouraging me you know that right oh crap

01:10:40.880 but it's it's strengthened my resolve and yeah it really the experience really was uh at the time

01:10:48.560 i wasn't really like processing it that much i was focused on the campaign focused on

01:10:53.120 you know whatever it is that you know shaking hands trying to make a good impression trying

01:10:56.400 to represent the policies and represent myself properly and you know change minds and be

01:11:00.800 be persuasive or whatever and it wasn't until like months after the campaign that i realized like

01:11:07.760 that's really taken a toll on like my soul you know just to kind of no kidding just to kind of

01:11:13.040 of like go through all that but um speaking to you know i put you on the spot to ask if you're

01:11:18.720 going to run for politics i think another aspect to it you know i'm 33 and you know you can look

01:11:25.560 at it at like a 5 10 year down the road do i want to spend time doing this oh it's going to inconvenience

01:11:30.360 me there's going to be a lot of this but i think of it more as like you know what kind of what do

01:11:35.860 i want to leave behind here you know i'm not going to live forever you know and part of the reason

01:11:40.640 why i had to run and start getting involved in politics is it's like this doesn't look like a

01:11:46.860 place where i'm going to want to raise my kids you know like it doesn't look like it's going to be

01:11:50.540 a place where i want to raise my kids so how well i guess i need to get involved in politics like

01:11:56.080 that was kind of like my logic um in joining so but but but that's good but and actually i think

01:12:03.500 you know one way to sort of let's remind ourselves remember earlier my opinion the

01:12:10.820 the four pillars of a good democracy you know the the the government the opposition the media

01:12:16.680 and then the scientists that that provide um commentary on the policies and so for us to have

01:12:23.360 a successful democracy those four things need to work so what you're doing today is making one of

01:12:30.960 those key pillars work it keep this kind of journalism is is is an important part and i will

01:12:37.800 keep doing what i'm doing which is is helping people think critically and educate and somebody

01:12:42.980 else will be the politician and we all and we both play a role as opposition and as critics so i think

01:12:47.840 there's there's there's in my mind there are those four ways to make our democracy successful and so

01:12:55.200 we can we can we we all have a part to play and so don't don't don't don't think that running is

01:13:01.180 the only way you'll make this you know you'll make your future better for your kids do you have kids

01:13:05.080 by the way can i ask yeah of course i i don't have kids not yet yeah soon though because that's

01:13:11.660 something that people have asked me you know it's weird but i almost became an anti-nester here my

01:13:16.700 youngest is 18 i have four kids and i and pragmatically i always told myself i have 18

01:13:22.380 years to prepare them to go out into the world but lately um and and i always thought once they're

01:13:28.060 gone into the world i can sort of step back and i don't have to battle but now i can i have to

01:13:31.740 continue this battle because my my sons are stepping and daughter are stepping into this

01:13:36.220 world as adults but they're going to need help because the world they're stepping in is pretty

01:13:40.780 nasty right now it sure is it sure is so thank you let's not end on a bum note let's end on

01:13:48.780 something cool something cool um well let's let's talk about your outdoors channel you know that's

01:13:55.360 pretty cool you got like 20 000 subscribers almost you're doing uh what hiking videos and

01:13:59.920 things like this that's that's pretty exciting yeah it's uh it uh good good good good good

01:14:05.800 closing no it's um you know youtube i'm i'm old and i discovered these technologies actually the

01:14:13.860 way i discovered youtube was really weird because um at work we used to write out procedures when

01:14:19.860 we had to do stuff and then one day i'm like why am i writing this out i have a buddy norm i'm like

01:14:24.400 norm you're about to change that part over there i'm going to film you while you change it and

01:14:29.060 and this was like literally a decade ago and then it's like okay now i have this video i need to

01:14:33.740 edit it and then where do i store it and then i started practicing with youtube and i was just

01:14:38.240 putting stuff on youtube and the next thing you know i go on a hike and i put a quick video of me

01:14:42.740 on youtube and it's like cling cling cling you got people watching and subscribing it was just

01:14:48.260 just this weird thing and um and and i love it like i it it allows me it's it's an outlet for

01:14:56.100 me it's a creative side for me and it's been to be honest it's been a fantastic way of meeting people

01:15:02.260 and it's extremely rewarding i mean it's uh i i i make it a point to engage with as many people

01:15:08.580 than when i get comments and and people have told me like i've helped i've i've introduced them to

01:15:14.100 the sport i've helped them out and and and i give um honest um uh feedback i i'm not trying to make

01:15:24.260 you know i make a hundred bucks a month on youtube so i'm not in it for the money i'm not in this for

01:15:29.220 the money um i'm you know i like helping people solving problems and doing things that are fun

01:15:34.500 and yeah the the youtube channel if people want to go look at it it's it don't go look at it just

01:15:40.260 randomly but if you're ever thinking of coming to alberta to go hiking or do something then go look

01:15:44.820 at my channel because um quite honestly if you type in the you know if you if you say jasper

01:15:50.420 and pick a name of a trail i've done it and there'll be a little video about it very cool

01:15:56.020 very cool the the link to um to marty's out what do you call an outdoors channel it's in it's in

01:16:02.180 the description below the link to his channel so you can go check that yeah it's just marty up

01:16:05.380 north i mean if you go to youtube and you type in marty up north god i hope i'm not trending but

01:16:09.620 yeah that's you'll find me quickly no it's i mean it's it's great that you started this trend because

01:16:15.700 you know you probably noticed this already the media is going to try to like find something

01:16:21.460 about you and like like smear you but they probably haven't found anything like oh wow he's a really

01:16:26.580 sweet canadian dad uh loving family he's got an outdoors channel he swears a lot in his outdoor

01:16:34.580 channel but that's who he is and that's not you know there you go yeah yeah so uh extremist

01:16:41.940 he's got a beard he's got the extremist beard maybe i'll shave the beard and throw everybody

01:16:47.300 off that would be something i should do that no i should do something really radical i should go with

01:16:51.860 the big uh oh i should handle handle mustache the handlebars yeah no well hey man it's it's been a

01:17:01.460 pleasure marty um yeah anything else anything else you wanted to plug or talk about or no it's all

01:17:07.940 good man i bring me back on the show let's pick a different topic some other day and then bring me

01:17:12.660 back i'd love to come back absolutely this this was really good really fun amazing amazing thanks

01:17:18.420 so much for watching everybody that's been marty we'll put it one more time up on the screen here

01:17:23.780 the tweet that started it all it's just a banger tweet it's just a banger tweet and it's uh it's

01:17:31.700 i'm it's i'm happy to see it go go so viral and uh yeah we'll chat again soon thanks for

01:17:37.220 watching everybody thanks marty cheers everyone till next time bye

01:17:41.300 all right but i'm just gonna knock off real quick it's 11 30 and i'm

Greg Wycliffe - September 22, 2022

Talking to MartyUpNorth who started the #trudeaumustgo trend

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