Greg Wycliffe - The Hate that's Willfully promoted by Canadian Institutions

00:00:00.000 think we are good to go welcome everybody to uh the stream tonight we're going to be talking about

00:00:07.360 bill c9 and how it wants to codify hatred it wants to um make vilification and detestation

00:00:17.260 willfully promoting hatred towards an identifiable group or willfully inciting hatred against an

00:00:25.380 identifiable group that might lead to civil unrest,

00:00:31.520 or sorry, a breach of the peace.

00:00:33.100 This is what they want to criminalize in Canada under Bill C-9.

00:00:36.680 It's actually a criminal law that's already been in the books

00:00:40.660 for over 50 years on the criminal code.

00:00:43.800 It's 319.

00:00:45.280 If you want to learn about this stuff,

00:00:46.780 then familiarize yourself with 319 in the criminal code.

00:00:51.960 and uh yeah but tonight i thought huh vilification detestation these are things that i feel like i

00:01:01.780 was subject to as a unvaccinated canadian um these are things i feel i've been subject to

00:01:09.400 just for being a critic of immigration i feel like i've been detested and vilified for this

00:01:14.260 and i think you could make the argument as christians have also been vilified uh and detested

00:01:20.220 and I thought it might be interesting to kind of go over all of these things go over all of these

00:01:27.180 examples not to say that hey we're going to use Bill C9 against the government we're going to

00:01:33.540 use Bill C9 against Christians no I'm not naive I don't I don't think that's going to work but

00:01:39.260 more so I want to kind of air all this out talk about these examples because I think in that

00:01:46.260 there might be an opportunity to kind of really make an argument or stronger argument uh for a

00:01:54.080 canadian senator to be like this is how absurd this is that you want to uh you know criminalize

00:02:00.820 basically intensely held emotions because i think everybody feels intensely held emotions

00:02:07.020 and trying to criminalize that is uh very dumb very very stupid um and yeah at one point

00:02:16.220 I would like to go to our Twitter space

00:02:19.640 that we got running here

00:02:21.900 to kind of hear some examples from people.

00:02:25.960 I'll just go over some of the most obvious ones.

00:02:28.760 I'm just on a live stream here

00:02:30.180 for those on the Twitter space,

00:02:31.420 but I'm going to play the clip

00:02:33.080 of Justin Trudeau.

00:02:37.560 He's on the French TV station,

00:02:39.360 I think CBC Radio Canada.

00:02:42.320 And he basically does a really good job

00:02:45.080 But I would say vilifying the unvaccinated or anti-vaxxers.

00:02:59.320 Let's see.

00:03:04.860 They are extremists.

00:03:07.100 They're extremists who don't believe in science.

00:03:09.460 They're often misogynists and also often racists.

00:03:11.820 This is Justin Trudeau, our sitting prime minister at the time, talking about unvaccinated people or people who oppose the vaccines.

00:03:23.380 It's a small group, but they take up some space.

00:03:27.380 They're a minority.

00:03:29.380 And we have to make a choice in terms of leaders, in terms of the country.

00:03:34.100 Do we tolerate these people?

00:03:37.040 um you know back in the day civil rights used to be about protecting the minority it used to be

00:03:45.940 about hey like the smaller group that has a different opinion we can't just demonize detest

00:03:51.960 and vilify these people and treat them like shit because that wouldn't be fair um that made sense

00:03:57.780 maybe back in the day when there was i don't know more card carrying racists around i guess

00:04:02.800 But now things have changed where having a certain political opinion will have you detested and vilified.

00:04:13.440 And it'll even be endorsed or promoted by members of the government or Canadian institutions.

00:04:21.680 So if you have any examples of that, it would be great to kind of get into that, go over them, hash them all out.

00:04:30.060 Because I feel like there's a lot.

00:04:31.500 I feel like there's quite a few.

00:04:34.640 And to bring up the definition, this is why it's relevant for C9.

00:04:41.720 Because the bill doesn't say detest and vilify anybody.

00:04:47.140 Like you can't just detest and vilify any one person.

00:04:50.320 It's an identifiable group.

00:04:53.140 This is what's actually in C9.

00:04:55.140 Identifiable group.

00:04:57.220 An identifiable group is defined by,

00:05:02.560 identifiable groups means any section of the public

00:05:05.340 distinguished by color, race, religion, national or ethnic origin,

00:05:08.840 age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression,

00:05:13.920 or mental or physical disability.

00:05:17.600 Now, despite religion being in there,

00:05:21.520 after some of these churches burning down,

00:05:26.240 uh there was someone from the civil bc civil liberties association harsha walia she said

00:05:35.080 uh burn it down or something what did she say let's look it up

00:05:41.680 is it burn it down

00:05:46.360 to burn it all down

00:05:54.060 yeah so this was

00:05:56.160 let's see here

00:05:58.440 Marxist Harsha Walia

00:06:04.300 who openly campaigned to burn it all down

00:06:06.480 referring to church arsons and her public

00:06:08.340 anti-semitic views

00:06:09.740 alright okay here's a post from Kareem

00:06:15.820 the same people who tried canceling me

00:06:17.640 simultaneously defended Harsha Walia's

00:06:19.700 right to say burn it all down

00:06:21.340 I'm at a spat of church burnings

00:06:23.700 Walia and I both experience social media

00:06:25.760 pylons although from opposite ends of the political

00:06:27.840 spectrum I produced

00:06:29.780 a deliberately ambiguous comic

00:06:31.760 about witch hunts against women who exercise their

00:06:33.840 freedom of expression funny how things come

00:06:35.620 full circle

00:06:36.400 okay here's the tweet yeah

00:06:39.080 Harsha Walia burn it all down

00:06:41.280 and that's in response to a tweet

00:06:43.780 that says two more Catholic churches have been torched

00:06:45.800 in Canada amid ongoing reports of more than

00:06:47.880 1,000 unmarked graves of indigenous children

00:06:49.660 found at former residential schools.

00:06:52.360 And if I'm not mistaken,

00:06:53.640 Harsha Walia is

00:06:54.820 or was the executive director of the BC

00:06:57.500 Civil Liberties Association.

00:06:59.740 So this is someone who's part of a

00:07:01.500 civil liberties group

00:07:03.020 saying, burn it all down in reference

00:07:05.740 to Christians.

00:07:08.420 I don't know.

00:07:09.460 That sounds like an example

00:07:11.000 of

00:07:12.520 willfully promoting hatred,

00:07:15.300 willfully inciting hatred against Christians, willfully, willfully, I don't know, promoting

00:07:19.020 violence, whatever it is. But, um, you know, we also had cancel Canada day. Remember cancel

00:07:28.080 Canada day? Um, this was a very popular, uh, thing at the time. There were tons of people out and

00:07:35.500 about um cancel canada day you know was this like d decolonize canada cancel canada day

00:07:52.640 is this not a sort of promotion or mainstreaming of kind of hating colonizers or hating uh

00:08:02.880 sir john a mcdonald hating people who helped build the country um you know i'm trying to

00:08:10.380 understand the sort of how this wasn't a sort of like mainstream promotional hatred of the history

00:08:18.160 of the country is that an identifiable group um and and it's kind of tricky because like

00:08:24.040 maybe would that like be white people would that be like historical canadians who we were hating

00:08:30.560 it's not really you know cut and dry but then again it's like this this is why the text in the

00:08:39.800 bill is very uh i think irrelevant i think it's like an old school definition of identifiable

00:08:47.980 group like i said that's like 50 years old so i don't think that's a very good example of um

00:08:55.800 you know i don't think that should be written into law obviously but um let's see what else

00:09:04.640 what were some other good ones oh yeah albertans albertans is there any examples of politicians

00:09:12.080 um distinctively kind of just hating all albertans um because i've you see it on on

00:09:21.460 social media all the time. Oh, Albertans

00:09:23.720 are racist. You know, people

00:09:25.600 will say this all the time. Oh, yeah, Alberta, that's just

00:09:27.640 a province of racist people.

00:09:36.540 Let's see.

00:09:37.760 Okay, here's a good one.

00:09:40.220 What do we got here?

00:09:43.240 There's

00:09:43.680 planned protests tomorrow in the cities of

00:09:45.520 Calgary and Edmonton against the white trash

00:09:47.820 separatists. This is

00:09:49.380 indigenous land it doesn't belong to the

00:09:51.300 fucking white separatists

00:09:53.220 hashtag Alberta separation

00:09:55.340 I mean to be fair I haven't like

00:09:59.340 researched this in depth to find good

00:10:01.220 like different examples

00:10:03.020 but

00:10:03.980 yeah

00:10:07.300 you know I'm sure there's

00:10:09.320 lots of examples of this and once again you wouldn't

00:10:11.340 think oh well hating Albertans as a

00:10:13.380 group that's not an identifiable group

00:10:15.140 is it an identifiable group

00:10:16.340 you know I feel like

00:10:18.480 i feel like it could be or it should be but uh once again this isn't to say that hey we're going

00:10:23.820 to use bill c9 we're going to use bill c9 against people who are hating on on conservatives or

00:10:31.960 hating on uh christians or hating on albertans no that's not the point the point is like if we get

00:10:38.740 if we grab these examples more and more of these examples stack them up and show them to the senate

00:10:46.440 to say like, hey, guys, the Canadian government has clearly endorsed the willful promotion

00:10:53.580 of hatred against identifiable groups.

00:10:56.540 It's not in the legal term of identifiable groups, but it's still a group of people

00:11:01.100 that you guys have obviously contributed to hating on.

00:11:05.140 So where do you get off thinking that you should kind of embolden this legislation

00:11:11.100 to actually criminalize this when you're guilty of it yourself?

00:11:17.200 Obviously, this is the classic one.

00:11:22.420 Toronto Star front page.

00:11:29.900 Unvaccinated.

00:11:32.340 You know, to be fair, the Toronto Star did apologize for this.

00:11:36.420 Come on, guys.

00:11:37.380 Here it is.

00:11:37.840 Is this it?

00:11:38.400 Yeah.

00:11:39.120 This is front page of the Toronto Star on August 26, 2021.

00:11:42.820 If an unvaccinated person catches it from someone who is vaccinated, boo-hoo, too bad.

00:11:47.340 I have no empathy left for the willfully unvaccinated.

00:11:50.000 Let them die.

00:11:51.180 I honestly don't care if they die from COVID.

00:11:53.140 Not even a little bit.

00:11:54.520 Unvaccinated patients do not deserve ICU beds.

00:11:57.120 At this point, who cares?

00:11:58.440 Stick the unvaccinated in a tent outside and tend to them when the staff has time.

00:12:04.620 Man, this is a time I really try to forget, man.

00:12:08.040 Jeez.

00:12:08.840 Jeez, was that a dark period?

00:12:10.620 Oh, my gosh.

00:12:11.440 but um yeah so once again that wouldn't catch though even though the unvaccinated about four

00:12:21.080 million canadians even though they're a minority you could identify them with their vaccine status

00:12:26.780 i guess even though i don't like that idea of people being identified with vaccine status

00:12:31.460 even though this is the case um you could identify them in a certain way they are a minority they are

00:12:38.760 being detested and vilified by the mainstream media and by politicians, this actually wouldn't

00:12:44.740 reach the threshold with BC nine, uh, with bill C nine with, with, uh, how it would contribute

00:12:51.360 to this, uh, you know, willfully promotion of hatred, uh, charge. So it's stupid. It's useless.

00:13:01.560 here's another good one Charlie Kirk Charlie Kirk know what should the

00:13:16.920 keywords be guys it should be well left celebrates Charlie Kirk's death oh man

00:13:29.840 pure evil moments after charlie kirk was assassinated in broad daylight radical

00:13:35.200 leftists on tiktok began celebrating charlie was a son a husband and a father his life was taken

00:13:39.520 and they're cheering these are the some some of the people who preach love intolerance and i and

00:13:45.080 honestly think this might be i think we would be getting warmer to like a really kind of clear-cut

00:13:49.480 example um because although this is in america you can find examples of canadian politicians

00:13:59.820 probably. I'm pretty sure there was even like a sitting, I think there was like a city

00:14:03.920 counselor in the Niagara region. I remember seeing this clip and she was like, she was

00:14:10.420 like, I'm going to, this city counselor basically said, I'm going to unfriend people who are

00:14:17.820 sad about Charlie Kirk dying was basically what she said. She was like, I am going to

00:14:24.700 unfriend anybody who has sympathy for this person who died and once again like legally they can try

00:14:35.840 to make the excuse and say oh no that's just an individual that does not represent the average

00:14:40.760 conservative christian who supports trump even though it totally does uh they're going to say

00:14:46.200 that's not an identifiable group even though it pretty well is um so we're allowed to hate that

00:14:52.140 person we're allowed to demonize and detest that person um yeah but once again i mean the point is

00:15:01.340 guys maybe i haven't explained this yet there is still an opportunity to stop c9 the senate can

00:15:08.900 still stop c9 i think they're taking like two weeks off and then they're getting back to it

00:15:15.860 to get into the second reading of c9 in the senate and i think there is still hope i think

00:15:23.740 i think that there is a chance to convince senators to stop this bill from passing um

00:15:32.080 i think there is a an appeal to the left that's possible and i definitely think there's an appeal

00:15:36.780 to the right there is a lot of leftist senators but i i think the appeal um could be compelling

00:15:44.980 and a lot of the frame so far

00:15:47.900 is of the religious freedom exemption

00:15:50.000 being taken away and that's true and that's

00:15:51.940 really bad and you know the

00:15:53.580 potential for that being abused is

00:15:55.640 obvious

00:15:56.720 but

00:15:59.360 to me

00:16:01.060 it's missing the kind of

00:16:04.080 bigger frame

00:16:04.880 like the more important way to look at it

00:16:07.840 which is

00:16:09.080 people hate each other

00:16:11.080 people voice intense emotions

00:16:13.760 to each other all the time.

00:16:15.460 Let me bring up the actual definition of hatred

00:16:17.920 that they want to codify into law with C9.

00:16:21.920 The definition of hatred means an emotion

00:16:24.540 of an intense and extreme nature

00:16:26.760 that is clearly associated with vilification and detestation.

00:16:32.100 So they want to criminalize this emotion of hatred,

00:16:36.320 which is stupid for a number of reasons.

00:16:40.840 Like this hasn't happened in Western countries pretty well ever under, you know, in modern times because people who are much smarter than I and much smarter than a lot of us have debated this, philosophized this over and over again, turning it over this way and that way.

00:16:59.560 this was before TikTok. This was before social media. This was before OnlyFans when people had

00:17:04.920 nothing better to do than debate these ideas and talk about how to best run society. And they said,

00:17:11.960 you know what? We should probably draw a line in the sand where only if you commit violence

00:17:18.960 against somebody, only if you actually take an action that's unlawful, or if your speech goes

00:17:25.180 into the realm of inciting violence inciting an unlawful action saying hey let's kill these people

00:17:34.140 or hey let's genocide these people or i'm gonna i'm going to kill you you know like like these

00:17:40.920 are the the realms of speech that are a violation an example of the one i was interviewing bruce

00:17:46.320 party was um you know if i stop you in an alleyway and say give me your wallet or else i'm gonna

00:17:53.280 kill you like like you know that that is speech that becomes criminal now because you're imposing

00:18:00.500 on the other person's freedoms right uh but they drew this line in the sand on speech years and

00:18:06.160 years and years ago by people much much smarter than us and now slowly but surely they're starting

00:18:11.380 to whittle away at that they're starting to chip away at that with these different legal

00:18:15.140 sleights of hands and this is one of them uh they're saying hate crime hate crime hate crime

00:18:19.480 Well, that's hatred, like feeling hatred or voicing hatred.

00:18:23.540 And the threshold for hatred, vilification and detestation, I don't think that's very high.

00:18:29.260 I don't think that's very high.

00:18:31.820 You know, I detest and I think Justin Trudeau was a detestable villain in many ways.

00:18:41.040 I think members of the Laurentian elite are detestable villains.

00:18:45.900 Not all of them.

00:18:46.580 But, yeah, I don't know.

00:18:52.800 It's just, it's a really, really, really bad precedent to set

00:18:57.120 because it gets into the realm of feelings.

00:19:00.120 It gets into the realm of legislating feelings.

00:19:06.160 So if somebody feels hatred towards another,

00:19:09.660 or if somebody feels like they've been hated,

00:19:12.400 then this becomes a problem,

00:19:14.000 and then we're going to get dragged into the courts

00:19:15.880 for the feelings.

00:19:17.960 It's ridiculous.

00:19:20.820 Here's one from Charlie Kirk.

00:19:22.940 I wish the bullet that hit Charlie Kirk

00:19:25.240 was a...

00:19:26.660 I wish the bullet that hit Charlie Kirk

00:19:28.960 a very pleasant day.

00:19:31.460 Very nice.

00:19:33.560 Let's see.

00:19:34.320 Let's see.

00:19:36.700 Canadian celebrates Charlie Kirk death.

00:19:38.640 Let's see if anything comes up here.

00:19:44.000 And I also got to talk about the, man, this is the deep one.

00:19:54.480 I'm going to try to air this one out.

00:19:56.920 But when you get called a fascist, when you get called a neo-Nazi, I would argue that that is vilifying somebody.

00:20:12.100 I would say that that is willfully inciting hatred in hope that it leads to a breach of the peace.

00:20:21.680 You've heard Jeremy McKenzie and other far-right people explain this,

00:20:27.720 but essentially it's like they don't care if you're a Nazi.

00:20:31.160 They call you a Nazi because they want to commit violence against you.

00:20:35.660 So ironically, like they're passing this bill to stop hatred,

00:20:39.780 and they think they're going to go after all

00:20:41.940 of these Nazis, but ironically

00:20:44.120 whenever they call

00:20:46.020 us Nazis

00:20:46.840 that is them detesting

00:20:49.820 and vilifying us, that is them breaking

00:20:51.920 these so-called laws of

00:20:53.900 willfully promoting

00:20:55.940 hatred against a group or inciting

00:20:58.140 hatred against a group

00:20:59.980 but again

00:21:00.820 they have this little caveat

00:21:03.280 where the definition of identifiable group

00:21:06.200 is there to try and

00:21:07.960 save them

00:21:08.580 you know um but uh more and more and one of the problems with this obviously is that

00:21:18.540 i i've been watching this i watched this podcast with rachel gilmore talking to this fascist

00:21:24.680 or sorry anti-fascist this guy who wrote a book how to catch an anti-fascist

00:21:28.840 and they like don't care they don't care about this definition of how they classify a fascist

00:21:38.580 and it's like they kind of they willfully do not give a shit of how they define who a fascist is or

00:21:44.500 what a fascist is so it's like this kind of just this definition this daisy chain of anybody who's

00:21:48.600 critical of immigration or doesn't fall in line well now they're a fascist or they associate

00:21:53.100 with fascists or you're just another neo-nazi blah blah blah yada yada yada um hey i see wiretap

00:22:00.120 just joined us wiretap if you missed it i was talking about how ironically when you call

00:22:05.460 somebody a nazi when you call somebody a fascist this in many ways is the incitement of hatred

00:22:12.820 that might lead to the breach of the peace when you're calling someone a nazi or when you're

00:22:17.380 calling someone a fascist this is sort of especially in regards to the left this is like

00:22:21.840 permission to now commit violence against this person and this is not even really an exaggeration

00:22:26.800 like this is like their own words like you know punch punch nazis and it's like is it an actual

00:22:31.860 Nazi or is it someone who just got branded

00:22:33.720 by a Nazi wherein the branding

00:22:36.040 of the person of the Nazi that is

00:22:37.780 the vilifying of the person

00:22:39.560 which is going to lead to a breach of the peace

00:22:41.780 so

00:22:43.040 yeah

00:22:45.400 I've just been kind of swimming around in this stuff

00:22:47.460 did you want to come up in

00:22:49.320 chat wiretap

00:22:50.640 and kind of share your thoughts on

00:22:53.580 on C9

00:22:55.020 how do I even do this hold on

00:22:57.000 oh my god it's been a while

00:22:59.580 since I've moderated

00:23:00.620 a managed space

00:23:06.860 but um but yeah all of this is to kind of

00:23:17.060 uh once again kind of like boil down a strong argument that i think could be

00:23:24.020 pitched to senators to help expose how uh how absurd uh these laws are and how it would just

00:23:31.800 really create a clusterfuck of all sorts of uh legal cases that would be a total mess

00:23:38.720 how's it going wiretap how are you pretty good how are you i'm uh glad you're uh putting on this

00:23:46.340 space because uh you know just the classification or how they've structured this bill c9 and

00:23:56.180 you know this this is about control this is about political control like and it's exactly

00:24:03.900 what you're talking about um you know calling somebody uh a nazi or you know like when they

00:24:13.560 sit there and say the dominion society is white supremacy 3.0 and when they repackage the idea

00:24:22.840 of ethnic cleansing and apply it to more modern political terms like remigration this here is

00:24:32.380 detestation and vilification right like they are literally vilifying uh you know a group of

00:24:41.020 individuals that believe in anti-immigration they believe in nationalism and they believe in their

00:24:49.200 country and um you know from from another perspective i know uh you you mentioned in uh

00:24:57.400 when you post this you said uh like bring your examples of well pretty much anything barbara

00:25:05.840 anything that comes out of barbara perry's mouth anyone from anti-hate uh you know this falls into

00:25:12.260 what you were talking about but i'm gonna take this a step further and if this is based off of

00:25:18.140 how i feel and who like my emotions and well then you know what all this post-nationalism rhetoric

00:25:27.780 that Pierre Polyev says, like, this is detestation.

00:25:33.160 In my mind, that's detestation to Canada, to our country.

00:25:38.480 They're vilifying our country by using this post-nationalist rhetoric

00:25:44.140 and spreading it out to the public

00:25:46.580 instead of holding true to what a Canadian is.

00:25:51.220 And I think, you know, like, this is how broad we can make this,

00:25:55.800 you know this c9 but the problem is is it's going to be used and weaponized against people like us

00:26:03.480 who have this idea of what canada should be and what canada is and always has been up until you

00:26:11.860 know the the trudeau regime opened the doors um you know i i know that like the multiculturalism

00:26:20.560 idea has been in the circle for a long time but we haven't really felt the pain of it

00:26:26.520 up until you know the floodgates open but uh i don't know what do you think of that greg like

00:26:33.360 it do you think that like being a nationalist do you think that uh that meets your bar of

00:26:43.160 detestation when you hear peer poly of say you know we're a nation of immigrants

00:26:49.400 yeah yeah i um it's it's really interesting because well let me there's there's a lot to

00:27:03.840 kind of get into here it's a really good question um i think that that is the result

00:27:10.520 you know i think we've seen that this is the kind of result of this post-nationalist thinking

00:27:16.660 This complete demonization of, you know, anything to do with thinking Canada has a history that's worthy of celebrating or kind of honoring these ideas do get vilified.

00:27:30.580 They get vilified.

00:27:31.680 They get equated to Hitler.

00:27:32.620 Like that's that's kind of what has been systemically happening for for more or less decades, especially in the past 10 years.

00:27:39.620 and um and as i was saying before like when they call you when they call you a nazi when they call

00:27:47.320 you a hitler when they call you white supremacist this is to demonize you this is to vilify you

00:27:51.100 and all those ideas that you were saying of post-nationalism anybody who disagrees with it

00:27:56.340 is uh instantly a villain so so i do agree with you but unfortunately it's kind of like

00:28:05.100 they are very clever with how they've kind of packaged all of this because um and i'll give

00:28:14.020 you an example like when i ran for the ppc way back in 2019 the news media wasn't saying the ppc

00:28:24.280 is racist and they're and they're horrible monsters the antifa was saying that on the

00:28:31.560 internet but like what the news says is they say oh there seems to be like there's an evidence of

00:28:37.020 a white supremacist at their rally blah blah blah blah blah like they do they do a slight kind of

00:28:42.340 slightly connect two dots that's not them like objectively or explicitly saying hey these guys

00:28:51.300 are racist or hey these guys are white supremacists but they make the strong connection

00:28:56.360 And there's a strong implication of, oh, these are bad guys.

00:29:00.340 These are not like, that's the implication.

00:29:02.340 And I witnessed this like very, uh, it was very visceral, very vivid for me because,

00:29:08.320 you know, I saw some of the news reports on like, oh, well that's bullshit.

00:29:10.780 Like who would believe that?

00:29:11.840 But then I would go on the ground door to door, um, like campaigning for the PPC and

00:29:18.800 people would freak the fuck out and get so hostile and like actually start freaking out

00:29:25.760 and shouting at me, calling me a fascist, shouting at me, calling me a racist.

00:29:29.220 This was way back in 2019.

00:29:31.540 And people would have such a visceral reaction from just learning,

00:29:35.080 oh, PPC, you're literally a Nazi, you're literally a fascist.

00:29:38.980 So that is the effect. You are correct.

00:29:41.420 That is the effect as this happens.

00:29:43.840 But it's like they do a good job of sort of insulating themselves

00:29:47.540 from explicitly saying things like that out loud.

00:29:53.080 But maybe I'm thinking about it wrong because if you turn the tables,

00:30:00.880 you know, think about a good example.

00:30:03.520 This is not turning the tables necessarily.

00:30:05.140 Well, what's a more direct example?

00:30:08.100 Oh, they say when we want remigration,

00:30:10.420 when we want to enforce our immigration law,

00:30:12.540 when we want to deport people who legally should be deported.

00:30:16.320 Hey, we want to enforce the law gets turned into,

00:30:18.920 oh so you want to ethnically cleanse people

00:30:21.420 and you hate all these people right

00:30:23.120 so they are able to jump to this conclusion

00:30:25.480 of saying haha like you made this

00:30:27.400 implication which means you hate all these people

00:30:29.260 but whenever they make the

00:30:31.280 implication of like hey I think all these people

00:30:33.020 are racist or whatever

00:30:34.480 they're able to

00:30:37.400 kind of get away with this

00:30:38.800 this implication

00:30:41.340 I kind of got lost a little bit

00:30:45.540 there but

00:30:46.100 yeah no no i i know what you mean uh and i know what you mean about the connections because

00:30:53.940 i think that a good example of that connection that you're talking about is the ethnic the idea

00:31:01.440 of re-migration being ethnic cleansing right like uh edmund belgore does this often when he does

00:31:09.740 these podcasts and stuff is he says well experts say that this is a new form of ethnic cleansing

00:31:19.040 when ethnic cleansing has a clear definition and re-migration is not ethnic cleansing right

00:31:27.460 this is so they're repackaging that idea and they're uh you know trying to subvert these

00:31:36.500 political narratives or this messaging that like dominion society is creating or like maybe some

00:31:43.560 of these anti-immigration groups or active clubs are are trying to build momentum with these ideas

00:31:50.160 so then they uh try to kind of build these connections in areas where it vilifies the

00:31:59.540 individuals not outright but like people are so simplistic that they make that connection in their

00:32:07.960 own mind is that kind of what you're you know i i think that's you know that meat that kind of

00:32:14.880 says what you were talking about or or kind of aligns with that yeah yeah and and i think

00:32:21.340 something that'll help us kind of get get further into this topic um i think it just comes down to

00:32:29.480 honestly like what the mainstream narrative is what what is the cultural and social conditioning

00:32:35.440 that the the public has received so far like we could even just zoom in on the convoy as an example

00:32:41.340 you know on one hand you have concerned canadians who oppose vaccine mandates they're standing up

00:32:49.680 for bodily autonomy but when you turn on the tv you have these people are are neo-nazis who want

00:32:56.580 to overthrow the government and are trying

00:32:58.540 to kill us all you know like

00:33:00.500 you have two completely different stories

00:33:02.660 and the one that's vilifying

00:33:04.960 you know concerned

00:33:06.460 Canadian citizens is the more popular one

00:33:08.680 and let's

00:33:09.920 compare that to

00:33:12.140 something that Juno

00:33:14.520 News just dropped today I think it was

00:33:16.500 today exclusive media

00:33:18.420 ignores far left fight club embracing

00:33:20.680 political violence

00:33:21.920 did you see this one

00:33:23.720 yeah

00:33:26.260 I actually, I've been holding on to that.

00:33:28.900 I saw that about a week ago.

00:33:32.520 We were working on trying to get somebody to go to the event,

00:33:35.460 but they're heavily, they're heavily vetted.

00:33:42.040 Vetting.

00:33:43.160 Yeah.

00:33:43.800 So it's like an undisclosed area.

00:33:48.120 You know, basically everything Evan Balgord accuses, like, you know,

00:33:52.660 these active clubs of doing like they're doing.

00:33:55.620 Yeah.

00:33:56.260 um it's just it's sickening it's it really is and like but there's more to this story and like we're

00:34:03.460 working on something on the back end uh you and i could talk about that privately uh but like

00:34:10.340 this is yeah it's this is crazy this stuff that they they kind of what they do it's it's so gross

00:34:19.540 like it it's listening to evan speak is like listening to him gaslight you for like an hour

00:34:26.500 you know it's like that's that's what it's like i feel like i'm in this like

00:34:32.900 uh psychological mindfuck and like this um little creature is just like you know trying to brainwash

00:34:42.200 me into believing uh these things are happening when he's like actually behind it you know

00:34:48.480 and um it's pretty crazy i don't know it's it's it's quite scary actually it's it's i identify

00:34:56.460 with what you're saying and bro you gotta you gotta stop watching so much so much evan balgord

00:35:02.120 clips it's you can only watch so much at a time before you have to like okay i gotta go for a walk

00:35:08.220 i gotta i gotta just doom scroll or like i gotta like watch a tv show or something and get this

00:35:14.100 this toxicity because you know you know it's like i i i have you ever heard of the phrase like

00:35:18.700 when you stare into the abyss it stares back that's like in reference i forget what that's

00:35:23.120 in reference to but it's like staring into like the deep dark abyss abyss of like where the demons

00:35:27.140 are and like the demons are like staring back at you and like when they stare back at you they can

00:35:31.580 like you know they can infect your soul it's quite scary so don't watch too much evan balgord clips

00:35:36.920 i want i watched most of the podcast between uh rachel gilmore and the guy who wrote the book

00:35:42.300 to catch a fascist oh my gosh i needed to like shower you know pray three hal marys after that

00:35:48.460 i'm like geez louise this is this is this feels gross hearing these people speak yeah

00:35:54.480 but yeah that one i didn't jump into yeah no i do it i definitely want to do some reporting on that

00:36:01.900 because they've said they've revealed hey this is what fascists believe this is what fascists do

00:36:06.760 and it's like okay so you support political violence you don't care about identifying who

00:36:10.680 isn't who is not a fascist uh you're associated with you know it's mostly communists and socialists

00:36:17.260 and so it's like okay so you don't care about the atrocities that communism has has caused in the

00:36:23.180 past you don't care about that you you want to commit political violence like okay and again

00:36:28.940 it's there you are how they frame it it's how they frame it too like they call it preemptive

00:36:36.460 violence or preemptive assault right so which means that so which means like this and this

00:36:44.620 comes from dr antifa's uh book on uh anti-fascism right that dr mark bray or whatever his name is

00:36:55.180 and uh it's like basically they take this position where they have to assault you because of the harm

00:37:03.900 you are going to create as a fascist to society warrants them assaulting you so it's like preemptive

00:37:11.260 assault so it's they see it as almost like self-defense that's that's the way they they're

00:37:18.260 calling it self-defense well and this and this is the thing this is the thing it would be fine if it

00:37:24.900 was like an equal treatment of both but this kind of like leftist fight club is a great example of

00:37:32.600 how you know if leftists want to try to you know learn how to not punch like a girl like good on

00:37:37.780 them that's that's fine hey they're preparing for violence like you know what that's kind of

00:37:40.920 that's kind of understandable shit's getting heated but at the same time you have the cbc

00:37:46.260 putting thousands of dollars into reports of the the same thing on the right wing which is people

00:37:53.720 preparing for violence people learning how to throw a punch you know and they're they completely

00:37:59.480 demonize uh second sons and it's like okay uh so our institution is totally biased obviously

00:38:08.040 uh they're only going to look at um a fight club on the right wing they're not going to give a

00:38:13.420 shit at all about the left wing they're going to say one is like a little spooky boogeyman

00:38:18.120 they're going to vilify this group uh well they're going to completely ignore the exact

00:38:23.500 same thing on the opposite side of the spectrum so and yeah this this is why again like there's

00:38:30.120 a lot of problems with c9 but the most kind of absurd thing about all of this is like look

00:38:37.020 there's a lot of different you got you got Sikhs versus Hindus you got Jews versus Muslims you got

00:38:44.080 you know the native Canadian population versus immigrants who are moving in you got you know

00:38:48.680 the left versus right people who think it was great that Charlie Kirk got shot and you know

00:38:53.080 christians who are mourning over it and you got transgenders trans kids versus concerned parents

00:39:02.120 you know like all these different factions are obviously going to express intense emotions

00:39:08.960 that could border or cross into the realm of criminal hate based on this definition and it's

00:39:16.460 like do you the government really want the responsibility really think you even have the

00:39:21.120 sort of discernment to the side which hate is too far and which hate is okay and moreover i feel

00:39:29.240 like this is a really strong point that i want to present to senators this definition of identifiable

00:39:35.340 group is so outdated it's so outdated i'll read it again identifiable group means any section of

00:39:42.920 the public distinguished by color race religion national or ethnic origin age sex sexual orientation

00:39:48.620 gender identity or expression or mental or physical disability you know there's nothing

00:39:53.920 in there about political belief there's nothing in there about political alignment because that

00:39:58.640 was 50 years ago today when you see the the polarized political climate we're in if you were

00:40:06.320 serious about wanting to like if you were serious about wanting equality and wanting to stop hate

00:40:13.140 between different groups and have everybody get along you would clearly have that in part of the

00:40:17.860 definition of identifiable group and i think again if you were serious about wanting to make

00:40:23.960 sure society goes well you would recognize what happened four years ago in the middle of the

00:40:29.380 pandemic when unvaccinated people or people who oppose the the mandates were vilified by the

00:40:36.180 actual institutions of this country the mass media the politicians and many many other people all

00:40:42.440 over the place, detested and vilified this group of people, this minority. So it's like, you know,

00:40:48.340 if you're serious about actually stopping the hate, then actually address what's happened in

00:40:54.140 recent history and accommodate the laws for that. That being said, I don't, I don't think we should

00:41:00.420 be passing C9 and trying to like, you know, fix it. I totally reject this idea. I'm just presenting

00:41:05.460 these arguments because um you know i want to air out all these arguments to find how to best

00:41:12.500 expose how absurd this is that we think that we're going to be able to police hate in the country

00:41:16.380 without it being a huge clusterfuck of uh you know different political factions wanting to

00:41:22.080 fine and sue each other um i think i might uh bring some more people up here but uh

00:41:28.820 tell me what's going on, what were you going to say?

00:41:33.560 Yeah, no, I agree with you.

00:41:35.980 The bill has to be scrapped in its entirety, right?

00:41:39.260 Even the section where it says that, you know,

00:41:45.620 the Crown Prosecutor isn't going to set the bar anymore

00:41:50.360 or is not going to determine what the threshold is.

00:41:54.320 And police can just carry out these charges without it being reviewed.

00:42:02.100 Like, this is so dangerous because Bernie Farber himself admitted in testimony in the House of Commons that a gentleman who was sending out this, what he called an anti-Semitic flyer throughout Toronto, right?

00:42:23.340 he actually like kept on harassing the police until and his local jurisdiction wouldn't press

00:42:32.280 charges but he had a friend in another department and that friend pressed charges for him and he

00:42:39.980 admitted this all in in special committee so when we're sitting there thinking like what's to stop

00:42:47.460 some rich guy from like you know we see all this police corruption all these cops are getting

00:42:52.780 arrested you know uh we just it's just corruption has swept across the country what's stopping some

00:43:01.380 rich guy from kicking over a bag of cash to a cop and saying hey you know what let's let's just use

00:43:07.000 lawfare on this guy we need to shut him up and and this is the thing like i don't know if this is

00:43:15.020 the best argument for senators necessarily but i think it should be in there because it's like

00:43:20.980 this could so easily be abused and once again with what we saw during the convoy

00:43:28.240 uh it didn't really look like a democratic government of a you know western country it

00:43:34.540 looked like an authoritarian regime who was like you know show me the man i'll show you the crime

00:43:38.240 like that's what it looked like and i'm bringing up on stream here to um the nazi flag that happened

00:43:45.980 to show up the very first day of the convoy that people have a theory that maybe this flag was

00:43:51.820 staged or planted there and uh this is kind of another part of bill c9 which is the criminalization

00:43:59.080 of symbols the nazi symbol being one of them and it's like in the future if there's any protest

00:44:06.880 movement that's gaining steam and opponents of this protest movement want to discredit and

00:44:11.720 criminalize the entire protest movement they could just hire somebody to show up with a

00:44:15.700 nazi flag boom you know like everybody now associated with this protest is now going to

00:44:20.520 what potentially um you know catch hate charges or is it just the person holding the flag like

00:44:28.080 there's so many like to to to criminalize symbols like that um the ways it could be

00:44:36.360 used and abused are just like insane like this idea that like like stop like criminalizing a

00:44:43.400 symbol is going to like stop hatred is is just really really really dumb and um it's really

00:44:51.180 doesn't it say a variation of those symbols too yeah yeah there's dude so i i was i was streaming

00:45:02.100 i was streaming this the other night because it really is absurd let's see if i can bring it up

00:45:06.880 do i have it here that's 319 okay let me just bring it up in a sec but essentially um

00:45:13.000 i might be able to do it by memory when it comes to and we'll get to you in a second nathan um

00:45:18.520 when it comes to bill c9 and the symbols uh any it's any group that's on the like terrorist

00:45:26.960 entity list and their associated symbols and the thing is one of the uh groups on that list

00:45:37.800 is the proud boys and um one of their symbols is like a certain polo t-shirt that was like

00:45:48.780 associated with this group and at one point like you know donald trump was like wearing this like

00:45:53.660 polo t-shirt that was associated with um the proud boys which kind of you know based on the

00:46:00.440 legislation based on the legislation here i'll bring it up right now um

00:46:05.860 here we go i'll read it one sec so this is part of c9 willful this is a new charge willful

00:46:16.720 promotion of hatred terrorism and hate symbols everyone commits an offense who willfully

00:46:21.540 where is it willfully uh promotes hatred against any any identifiable group by displaying

00:46:29.740 this is the crime displaying in any public place a symbol that is a symbol that is principally

00:46:37.080 used by or principally associated with a listed entity and the listed entity is like you know

00:46:45.100 people on the terrorist watch list and then also it says a symbol that so nearly resembles a symbol

00:46:51.340 a symbol that so nearly resembles a symbol described in this or that is likely to be a

00:46:57.900 symbol described um like that and then and then they add the the the nazi lightning bolts and the

00:47:05.740 nazi um so stika or whatever um and that's and and why that's bad is because that's like those

00:47:15.240 black blotch flashcards that you put in front of a psychopath and then you put in front of a

00:47:20.440 regular person and a psychopath is going to see a bat and the other person's going to see a cat

00:47:26.440 like that and it's just like the fedex logo right a lot of people don't see the arrow in between the

00:47:33.720 e and the x right and like some people see it so it's like everyone's gonna view something

00:47:40.520 differently so like people are gonna make these connections to things that that just you know

00:47:48.120 what i mean it's it's crazy it's fucking crazy and and well how about this how about this how

00:47:55.460 about, once again, there's a protest movement

00:47:57.300 that the Canadian government doesn't like

00:47:59.020 and they're doing this big demonstration

00:48:00.600 or maybe it's not that

00:48:03.180 the government doesn't like, maybe it's some opposing group

00:48:05.440 doesn't like this protest movement

00:48:06.780 and then the opposing group gets infiltrators

00:48:09.620 prints out a whole

00:48:11.340 bunch of stickers of

00:48:13.360 like Nazi symbols

00:48:15.080 and then starts slapping the stickers on

00:48:17.300 all sorts of people's backpacks and like, you know

00:48:19.440 kind of just like putting them on stuff

00:48:21.460 like, you know, they infiltrate and just

00:48:23.420 like start slapping these like hateful

00:48:25.260 symbols everywhere that are literally criminal how would you even deal with that as a legislator

00:48:30.620 how you know what i mean like it's like and the thing is it's like it's a mess be a mess

00:48:36.940 yeah you'll have in tifa like you know crusader flags out anything to like make christianity

00:48:43.700 more abolished than it is you know with it with the burning of the churches everything it's just

00:48:48.020 i get what you're saying it would feel like it would work against us like it sounds good like

00:48:52.820 the hijab the muslim bullshit and all that at the end of the day probably mostly used against

00:48:57.280 christianity like the founding religion of our country but um like you're touching on that bill

00:49:02.500 there and how you doing mr white cleft i'm doing good nathan how are you sir how are you i'm doing

00:49:07.700 great buddy good buddy i'm i'm staying alive you know you know and i'm just waiting for the famine

00:49:13.080 you know with the charges of fuel and all that like uh mostly happen in the third world countries

00:49:18.300 but yeah you can expect the famine's going to happen with the fertilizer and uh growing season

00:49:22.980 coming like we're we're going to see a famine for sure but um we're on the bills here i'll just

00:49:28.300 listen you guys yeah you know it's just more more bills being passed to uh to keep us from being

00:49:36.260 critical against the government at the end of the day like c8 right that in the fine print of that

00:49:41.080 um that that they essentially have the power to disconnect us from the internet

00:49:46.200 defining and now what c22 allowing them to collect our data for what up to a year guys

00:49:54.160 metadata up to a year so three years if if they believe it's serious right right right so there's

00:50:03.560 data they can span through and say yeah let's call that hate and with bill c8 he's a little

00:50:09.240 extreme he's he's speaking out against the regime you know what i mean like um you know and what is

00:50:15.280 that that is everything i don't like the amount of migrants coming in who's writing those policies

00:50:18.880 the government so what are you essentially speaking out against the government so like

00:50:22.240 let's shut him off let's let's disconnect his fucking wi-fi and his cell phone connection

00:50:26.220 and how we have metadata for a year to back him from his posts on x you know like he's speaking

00:50:32.360 like it's so fucking warped and now this religious shit like you guys are talking about right now

00:50:36.880 um how that can be just aligned against christianity and how that aligns with mostly

00:50:42.480 white people in the country like it's uh it all just revolves around being critical against

00:50:48.240 government and just silences us against speaking against what is essentially controlling us right

00:50:54.960 at the end of the day right what do you agree guys yeah and that uh like that metadata that's

00:51:01.920 not just like your comments that's your private messaging too that's even your private correspondence

00:51:08.840 right like literally anything you do anything you do in your phone yeah so they can build a case

00:51:14.280 on you and then turn around take utilize all of the tools that are in c9 and you know c63 and

00:51:24.880 you know c12 and all these you know totalitarian bills that they're just shoveling down our

00:51:30.480 throats they can just line up this massive list of charges so like you're facing this lawfare and

00:51:37.540 you have to take a plea deal because like it'll cost you like five million dollars to defend

00:51:42.940 yourself and that's that's like that's that's where we're headed and the fact that we don't

00:51:51.660 have a true opposition or people that are fighting against it like i think it was either uh i think

00:52:00.240 i saw this in greg's uh live stream you guys should go watch his if anyone here hasn't watched

00:52:06.900 his live stream on the breakdown of this bill like i highly recommend it because no i watch

00:52:12.520 greg greg puts out greg you put up good streams buddy you in dominion study you guys are you guys

00:52:16.820 are you guys are awakening a lot of people especially in these goals as well like is

00:52:21.200 they're putting out a good message you know and uh thank you thank you it doesn't it doesn't look

00:52:27.100 so extreme you know because they want everything everything you know labeled race is extreme right

00:52:31.740 away and all that like you're actually putting out the message properly where it's you're just

00:52:37.260 you're just laying out the facts and and it's it's undeniable right and that's what has to be done

00:52:42.260 you know um you can't blame people you just got he just got aligned it to where it it is all the

00:52:48.020 government that's doing this right at the end of the day it's it's i i know absolutely i i do want

00:52:55.200 to ask you a quick well i'll ask you now i'm gonna i'm gonna talk about something i just

00:52:59.840 found on grok that's wild um swastika hockey teams i haven't heard about this this canadian

00:53:05.340 this little tidbit of canadian history 1922 1921 or 22 apparently there was multiple teams

00:53:12.320 yeah a women's hockey team so i asked grok what was the edmonton alberta swastika is a real hockey

00:53:20.200 team when were they around yes the edmonton swastika's were a real women's hockey team

00:53:24.280 Edmonton, Alberta. They were active in

00:53:26.340 1916. It was an

00:53:28.480 amateur women's team from the early

00:53:30.360 days of organized women's hockey in Canada

00:53:32.260 when the swastika was still widely

00:53:34.400 used as a good luck or decorative

00:53:36.280 symbol in many cultures and had no connection

00:53:38.460 to the Nazis. A well-known

00:53:40.740 team photo from 1916 shows

00:53:42.600 the players in sweaters wear.

00:53:44.360 That's so crazy because it's like, wait,

00:53:46.480 is this AI or is this real?

00:53:48.640 And there's also the Windsor swastikas,

00:53:50.780 which was a men's team

00:53:51.900 in 1905 to 1916 and then the fernie swastikas which is another women's team in bc um

00:54:00.120 well the symbol meant like welcome in so many aspects of like so many cultures or

00:54:05.920 you know it was a welcoming symbol or it was a peaceful symbol in so many

00:54:10.080 you know posty actually played on the team she's 123 i think i believe posty or 123

00:54:15.260 she actually played on that team oh my gosh and that's the thing that's like is that really a

00:54:20.880 hate symbol that's just like but that's just part of our heritage that's just part of that well you

00:54:24.680 know like if you look that symbol up it it that symbol gregor aligns with so many cultures and

00:54:30.960 like the what it actually means and like that's that was that was a unwelcome mats like the word

00:54:36.000 said milk or you go walking into our house like a welcome like that was a symbol for welcoming

00:54:40.320 to my knowledge in certain cultures and peace uh so yeah it's uh and it was in many cultures like

00:54:47.620 But Nathan, I want to ask you, I want to ask you while you're here, because the whole point of this kind of stream in this discussion tonight, because there's a lot of things we can get into in C9, but I kind of want to try to keep it focused here.

00:54:59.140 You know, do you think there's any identifiable groups that have been vilified or detested by the Canadian government, Canadian institutions, you know, the academia, anything like that?

00:55:16.140 or like in your experience and who would it be why

00:55:20.880 yeah well not my personal experience uh being a bit older but i would say being a youth now

00:55:29.400 growing up in canada um the incentives that go to everyone but canadians i would say it would be

00:55:35.620 the actual you know uh blood and soil canadian that experiences the most oppression and and and

00:55:41.480 not a discrimination towards actual funding and you name it like the the the wage subsidies like

00:55:50.200 you're a youth now is growing up competing with every aspect of their life like getting into

00:55:54.600 school they cater universities are are treated as a business the highest bidder gets to go in

00:56:00.300 and it's usually foreign students and you know getting a job while you're you're competing with

00:56:04.060 wage subsidies getting a house you're competing you're competing with the mass amount of migration

00:56:07.940 that comes in and and it's competing with that roof over your head with the lack of uh housing

00:56:12.780 being built since the pandemic so i would say can you think of specific canadian can you think of

00:56:19.640 specific examples like things that have kind of like whizzed by your timeline um you know whether

00:56:26.640 it was like a policy decision or a specific like um because i know they've done things where they're

00:56:31.600 like hey we're going to have the black entrepreneurial program where we're going to

00:56:34.940 yeah the two what is that what is that greg that's like a 250k black-owned business fund

00:56:40.020 for them to just start a business and just because they're black like we have that in our country uh

00:56:44.320 i think that's a yeah i think i think you nailed one right there um black-owned business uh

00:56:48.720 entrepreneurship program or the other start a business the other example would be um i think

00:56:54.060 there's a lot of examples of the cbc and their sort of hiring policies or yeah um who else

00:57:02.720 like oh different universities

00:57:05.320 there was this one guy

00:57:07.400 who's been kind of

00:57:08.600 posting a lot of like different job postings

00:57:11.420 for universities and a whole bunch of them are

00:57:13.340 like describing

00:57:14.620 you know we're looking for a black lesbian

00:57:17.440 in a wheelchair for a rocket

00:57:19.480 scientist position

00:57:20.480 you know and they don't say no

00:57:23.400 whites but it's like it's kind of

00:57:25.400 the implication sometimes

00:57:26.660 yeah it's just without

00:57:29.480 saying it yeah

00:57:30.300 um being called uh anti-vaxxer now is technically hate speech too

00:57:36.400 i would say yeah the university thing like you know like if you look at like you go you walk

00:57:44.220 in your universities now it's like it's it's it's brown people it's all asians and brown people

00:57:49.560 across the council like um and they're and they're paying more to good to to go there

00:57:53.980 because it's like i said it's treated as a business they're not focused on local students

00:57:57.840 don't give a shit about us right um as it should be but uh you know it's a it's a yeah they're

00:58:04.080 treating that as a business and not actual for purposes of education for for our people so

00:58:09.460 yeah education for sure like we we see the memes like in ireland we see them here uh the one white

00:58:16.540 student like and there's phil koreans and chinese you know and like uh you know yeah they all said

00:58:22.080 it was a conspiracy you know that's the caption of the mean um yeah it's uh it's quite apparent

00:58:27.660 especially in our country i mean we're the most multicultural country in the world especially

00:58:31.260 where i think you're from greg and ontario and uh you guys are ontario it's uh what 250 ethnicities

00:58:38.380 in toronto alone i mean i mean i'm in cape breton right like it's still 95 white it's uh it's not so

00:58:45.260 apparent yeah walmart tim hortons uh they're starting to take over the cat companies somewhat

00:58:51.340 the trucking and you know sure enough they'll take the community and they'll vote themselves in

00:58:55.180 because you know 12 of them will live in one house and you think it's a small community but

00:59:00.080 there's enough to put one of themselves in politically and then they'll take the next

00:59:02.720 community in the domino effect like we we get what they do here's here's an i here's like a

00:59:10.080 perspective as well where again i'm trying to like find examples where it's like oh there we go there's

00:59:15.920 an example of a canadian politician or someone in an institution in the media clearly you know

00:59:21.680 promoting hatred, detestation, or vilification against, like, Canadians.

00:59:27.680 And I'm thinking, like, I brought this up earlier, but Albertans, you know,

00:59:31.900 there's been many memes online where people go, like, oh, Albertans?

00:59:34.860 Like, those people are just, like, racist or whatever.

00:59:36.980 Or, like, oh, Alberta is, like, totally backwards, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:59:40.880 And, you know, being able to find a clip in the House of Commons

00:59:43.740 of, like, some liberal MP saying that, of being like, oh, well, you know,

00:59:47.420 like, what the hell was that?

00:59:48.520 What is the implication of a comment like this?

00:59:54.060 And, again, it's like maybe there's – is there some East Coast examples of – do you guys infight over there or what?

01:00:04.280 Not so much, man.

01:00:05.460 We're kind of – you know, everyone still kind of knows their neighbors still in the same community sense.

01:00:11.100 Like the doors are still unlocked as of today.

01:00:14.720 I don't lock the doors.

01:00:15.820 I know all the neighbors around me and stuff, which is great.

01:00:18.520 well now you're you're gonna have a flood of indians coming in

01:00:22.120 they're safe they're safe on the island bro they're safe on the island it's good

01:00:28.760 we're a little different here and you know kind of people make them feel like uncomfortable where

01:00:33.960 they want to maybe stay here for a bit and like yeah we're gonna leave you guys are a little

01:00:37.460 different but um uh the alberta thing like i i'm you know i worked at alberta for for ages i loved

01:00:44.840 it built worked in the infrastructure in their own gas industry for 15 years um but uh what i

01:00:51.320 will say i did i did kind of like um troll that a little bit with like the whole separation with

01:00:56.360 that meme that was going around with the like the one white guy with the uh you know the the um the

01:01:01.240 bags in his eyes and he's surrounded by uh nons and i i i changed that to like we albertans are

01:01:07.320 separating from canada and it's all you know nons because like if you're sending you know what is

01:01:12.040 edmonton and calgary that's phil would forget me like the south the south the north what the

01:01:16.680 northeast of let me try to remember north northeast of calgary or southeast of calgary

01:01:22.440 it's all east it was india you know edmonton so what are you separating with like we're going to

01:01:28.280 separate but you're separating with uh you're seeing essentially non-canadians right you're

01:01:37.880 you're you're gonna separate it with like with it with india and everything we've imported like

01:01:44.760 that's there's a lot of logic there that doesn't make sense yeah um i i get i i get it like that

01:01:50.440 the unfair like the the equalization like all that i get all that but at the end of the day

01:01:55.720 who are you separating with like what like like you're you're flooded too you know at the end of

01:02:01.400 the day and you're dealing with the same problems every other provinces and we don't want to we

01:02:07.080 want to separate from those people not not canadians but uh to make a point and have you

01:02:13.880 know you want to stand tall at the same time i get that but that just uh there's just so many ifs and

01:02:21.000 what ifs what the hell unanswered questions that you know yeah yeah greg uh yep one example uh is

01:02:28.760 Mark Miller's own example for implementing Bill C-9,

01:02:34.640 like when he talked about religion being hateful or,

01:02:39.500 you know what I mean?

01:02:40.380 Like that there meets his own.

01:02:43.480 Like, it's like, ironically, it's like his argument was a conundrum, right?

01:02:50.680 It was just like, he was just piling shit on top of shit.

01:02:55.160 Yeah, that's interesting.

01:02:56.660 you know so uh you know and in the fact that nobody you know from the conservative side

01:03:04.300 pointed that out that he just you know engaged in detestation and vilification of a certain group

01:03:12.620 in that in this case christians is pretty crazy yeah yeah and on that note i actually have a list

01:03:20.900 that i'm just going to fire off here uh when it comes to the vilification of christians

01:03:25.060 uh i mean mind you this this is from ai but this is a pretty good uh this is a decent summary of

01:03:31.660 things that have happened um since the church burnings there was this understandable vilification

01:03:40.360 of christians where in july 2nd 2021 trudeau stated publicly i understand the anger that's

01:03:48.140 out there against the federal government against institutions like the catholic church it is real

01:03:52.880 and it's fully understandable

01:03:54.060 it's fully understandable

01:03:56.300 this is after churches were burned to the ground

01:03:58.240 it's fully understandable

01:04:00.760 given the shameful history

01:04:02.400 that we are all becoming more and more

01:04:04.740 aware of

01:04:05.560 this was said during a period when at least 85

01:04:08.660 Catholic churches had been set ablaze or

01:04:10.540 vandalized with graffiti including

01:04:12.320 colonizers, killers

01:04:14.460 and

01:04:15.860 if you hurt and or kill kids you should

01:04:18.640 be burned alive

01:04:19.560 so there's the sort of like

01:04:21.420 oh greg yep oh that's what i just wanted what you what you just said right there buddy that's

01:04:28.160 what i want to touch on what the interesting percentage would be is how many of them churches

01:04:33.500 burnt down when they created the hoax of the mass graves because i think probably 75 percent of that

01:04:40.140 happened during that period right when and then they got the handouts and then you know the the

01:04:44.500 the pope coming over the 30 million to have him watch these people dance and cry and dress up like

01:04:48.680 halloween so um i i would say because that's i know here i think i'm not sure guys but i think

01:04:57.400 like a hundred churches burned down i could be wrong i think yeah i think i think it's we have

01:05:02.000 a lot of churches i think it's around 130 that the count is since uh since the mass graves thing

01:05:08.780 was promoted um yeah and and yeah you know you're making me think though like the the the laws that

01:05:17.320 they're going to try to embolden and use is the willful incitement of hatred that would lead to

01:05:23.120 a breach of the peace and the willful promotion of hatred and it's interesting because as you said

01:05:29.640 they did this thing at public schools where it was almost like this ritualistic um promotion

01:05:36.920 or like like vilification and detestation this sort of like what's the word atrocity propaganda

01:05:44.380 that results in totally vilifying a group of people and uh yeah actually here's another

01:05:52.120 yeah go ahead and to escalate oh sorry to greg to anti-escalate uh undrip um

01:05:58.600 um yep what is undrip again uh united nations declaration of indire dig united nations

01:06:07.680 declaration of independent uh indigenous rights or something the test like that because that is a

01:06:13.820 legit thing like they were actually giving things back like they they're putting land claims in

01:06:17.420 here left and right like these these uh these companies and businesses that were there for

01:06:21.760 years they had the indigenous have put in a land claim and uh trudeau gave 150 million to you

01:06:27.320 waikogama to a population of a little reserve like that was part of this reserve uh they gave

01:06:33.000 150 million dollars just because like they put in a land claim said this is actually ours too and

01:06:37.940 you know the royal bank was on it it was in the city kinda you know what i mean like shit like

01:06:42.560 that and like this is a legit thing that that undrip is is is it holds no weight it's just the

01:06:47.980 government gives that power right um but it is all like it's all fine printed like all the treaties

01:06:53.760 like it means this it means that it's not quite defined like the fishery like it's you know it's

01:06:58.660 not nothing's defined like a moderate livelihood well what is that they didn't define it so they're

01:07:02.400 going catching 10 000 pounds a day out of season because we didn't define it like it's just like

01:07:06.940 they'll just do whatever they want and and at the end of the day it's worth it to benefit them

01:07:12.380 but this undrip is no joke like it's all about giving everything back to these people and it

01:07:16.880 it is it is happening in an alarm like it's happening in alarm right man like um it's it's

01:07:22.120 it's an easier way for corporate companies to buy it people well absolutely i don't think it's i

01:07:29.900 don't think it's actually to help indigenous people at all i think i think that they've

01:07:33.800 weaponized this uh you know this like indigenous causes to sort of uh disenfranchise other groups

01:07:41.000 or to kind of consolidate power in different ways.

01:07:45.020 But let's stay on focus.

01:07:46.620 Let's stay on topic here.

01:07:47.760 Let's stay on topic here.

01:07:49.120 We're not about UNJ.

01:07:50.500 Yeah, I want to – you mentioned that – you mentioned something about like if the speech creates some sort of civil unrest

01:08:04.040 or – what did you say the bill states there, Greg?

01:08:08.500 Yes.

01:08:09.060 Something to do with public unrest.

01:08:12.500 This is C9, right?

01:08:13.860 You guys are talking C9.

01:08:15.500 Yeah, I'm trying to make that clear.

01:08:17.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

01:08:19.080 And just to be clear, these are actually hate speech or hatred bills that have actually been on the books for 50 years.

01:08:28.260 But they've hardly, hardly ever actually been used because I'm guessing it's hard to persecute.

01:08:35.260 The problem is C9 is going to make it easier to persecute people with these with this legislation.

01:08:41.740 But how it reads is everyone who, by communicating statements in any public place that includes online, incites hatred, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty for up to.

01:09:04.840 so likely okay so this is like i have that highlighted in red because that is really like

01:09:12.480 vague language who's going to determine that um and the example of what we just talked about

01:09:18.680 like inciting hatred against any indignifiable group you know promoting the mass graves and the

01:09:25.280 the horrible you know residential schools which was done by our institutions by the mainstream media

01:09:32.160 done in like local schools by the actual school boards this clearly incited hatred against

01:09:39.700 christians which led to the burning of churches which i'm sure is considered a breach of the peace

01:09:47.560 um so there's an example of which doesn't align to the narrative well hold on actually actually

01:09:55.400 hold on hold on maybe maybe that's me and maybe that's the kind of gotcha to show yeah the

01:10:02.180 canadian senate which is like even if we assume all of this is true you know was it you said you

01:10:10.740 said it's understandable so in this case you're saying that breaking the law and inciting hatred

01:10:15.820 against christians that led to the burning of churches you're you're basically saying this is

01:10:20.360 a good thing but you're not going to get charged because you're the government but it's like this

01:10:24.540 is something that you have done that you participated in but if you say the opposite

01:10:30.540 of what carney says muslim muslim valians don't align with canadians then they well what are you

01:10:34.780 saying here oh well fuck muslims well you're inciting hate you know like anything other than

01:10:40.340 christianity or something that uh that uh an ethnic canadian would represent would be basically

01:10:46.340 defined as hate because i mean what at the end of the day like diversity multicultural they're

01:10:50.760 anti-white terms right because those terms are basically essentially extinct us as a people as

01:11:01.740 a culture as an ethnicity as a as a way of life like that's what they are like because we don't

01:11:07.260 impose that and any other that we're the only nations uh western europeans that this uh these

01:11:13.820 terms are being used on and imposed on the the ideologies and we need to be more diverse we need

01:11:20.200 they're anti-white at the end of the day

01:11:22.540 like that's what

01:11:23.640 I think what you're trying to say

01:11:27.060 and this is something that we

01:11:28.480 obviously at Dominion Society we're acutely

01:11:30.920 aware of

01:11:31.660 you know if a

01:11:33.900 you know when Africans

01:11:36.360 when Somalians when Indians

01:11:38.940 when they're on CBC when the

01:11:40.700 indigenous when they're talking about like you know our

01:11:42.640 people and our culture it's so important

01:11:44.760 like we need to promote it we need

01:11:46.780 to make sure it's sustained in the future

01:11:48.800 you know the CBC host is just gushing like there's a puddle on the floor they're like oh my god you're

01:11:55.160 so right your culture is so important we need to honor it it is such a beautiful thing oh my god

01:12:01.300 this is the most loving amazing thing ever and then if a white Canadian says hey our culture is

01:12:06.040 great uh we need to honor it we need to celebrate it we need to protect it into the future specifically

01:12:11.580 you know the Canadian roots of this country and who built the country then then that's that's not

01:12:18.460 that's not okay that's uh what do they call that they call that ethnic cleansing they call this

01:12:23.700 white supremacy they call and then they start to incur they start to willfully promote hatred

01:12:29.580 against people who say this an identifiable group you could say the the the you know blood and soil

01:12:34.800 canadians whatever you want to call it um yeah and that's why that's why this topic is i want to just

01:12:42.980 reiterate a point in case people haven't heard it you know this is why this is such a conundrum

01:12:47.800 Because anytime you accuse someone of fascism, anytime you accuse somebody of being, you know, a racist or a white supremacist or one of these things, you are actually vilifying this person like that.

01:12:59.060 Like that's what that is.

01:13:00.200 You are vilifying the person which is, you know, in turn, you know, violating one of these laws or at least is like, you know, encroaching in in this part of the law.

01:13:10.440 And I think all of this should be legal.

01:13:11.960 I think you should be able to willfully promote hatred.

01:13:15.560 I think you should be able to definitely willfully promote hatred.

01:13:19.780 The problem with the public incitement of hatred is that they're actually doing this fucked up sleight of hand with their legalese where they're saying that inciting an emotion of hatred is supposed to be illegal.

01:13:34.360 So an example would be if I said, man, look at all these scamming Indian truck drivers who are killing people on the roads and the standards are going down.

01:13:42.400 they could say or like what i say what i say there could incite hatred against an identifiable group

01:13:48.540 indians and if they say what i say is like extreme enough they could say well that's likely to lead

01:13:53.920 to a breach of the peace because the way that you talked about indians being scammers was so extreme

01:13:59.560 it was such an intense testimony that we think it's going to lead to a breach of the peace so

01:14:06.320 like again like this stuff shouldn't be illegal it's ridiculous and sorry just to clarify my

01:14:13.860 point though incitement is supposed to be an unlawful an unlawful action if you look at the

01:14:20.900 history of the word the meaning of the word incitement it's inciting violence it's inciting

01:14:26.140 a riot it's inciting an actual unlawful action as in like hey guys let's storm the capital hey guys

01:14:34.140 let's throw rocks at them hey guy like that's the incitement part where you said something

01:14:39.900 that was like telling people or encouraging people to commit a crime that's what incitement means

01:14:46.260 here they're saying inciting a feeling if you incite an emotion if you say something that

01:14:53.380 makes someone feel like they want to throw a rock or something and it's like it's not the person

01:14:58.960 speaking it's not the responsibility of the person hearing your message to like you know it's the

01:15:05.160 person speaking it's not the it's not my responsibility to know how people are going

01:15:09.540 to respond to what i say and what they're going to do after that and like that's that's the real

01:15:14.400 problem and it's crazy because this law is 50 years old but then again there's a reason why

01:15:19.020 it hasn't been enforced that many times because uh you know it's such a it's such a mess

01:15:24.260 hey greg i sent you uh a supreme court ruling that uh eva chepnia posted earlier today i sent

01:15:33.240 it to you via private message you should read it because i think i think uh you know if we're

01:15:39.940 talking historical fact and we're talking about uh legal precedent i think that these like any

01:15:48.100 sort of charge under uh c uh c9 can be challenged

01:15:53.520 um what specifically in this do you think is uh like the most compelling

01:16:01.280 the post i sent you yeah yeah just you know it's kind of it's kind of long

01:16:08.560 i just i think the point i'll have to one give me a quick sec here i i think the point that uh

01:16:18.080 She points out here at the beginning when she says that the right of people to discuss and debate ideas forms the very foundation of democracy.

01:16:30.000 For this reason, the Supreme Court of Canada has protected the right of each citizen to participate in political debate.

01:16:39.760 and then

01:16:42.040 permitting an effective voice

01:16:45.500 for unpopular and minority views

01:16:47.560 views political parties may not embrace

01:16:49.520 is essential to

01:16:51.540 is essential

01:16:54.180 to deliberative

01:16:55.540 democracy the goal should be to bring

01:16:57.660 the views of all citizens into the political arena

01:16:59.700 for consideration be they accepted

01:17:01.620 or rejected at the end of the day

01:17:03.180 free speech in the public square may not be

01:17:05.760 curtailed merely because one might

01:17:07.580 find the message unappetizing

01:17:09.540 for the messenger distasteful yeah the ability to engage in effective speech in the public square

01:17:15.000 means nothing if it does not include the ability to attempt to persuade one's fellow citizens

01:17:19.760 through debate and discussion this is the kernel from which reason the political discourse emerges

01:17:26.040 yeah freedom of expression must allow a citizen to give voice to her vision for her community

01:17:32.860 and nation to advocate change through the art of persuasion and the hope of improving her life and

01:17:38.060 indeed the larger social political and economic landscape freedom of expression protects not

01:17:42.760 only the individual who speaks the message but also the the recipient members of the public as

01:17:47.380 viewers listeners and readers have a right to information on public governance absent

01:17:51.500 which they cannot cast an informed vote so i think the most useful thing there is to say

01:17:57.420 freedom of expression to advocate change through the art of persuasion

01:18:03.540 this is going to include intense emotion at times you know you're not always going to be

01:18:10.820 i am monotone i care about canada i i think that we need immigration reform

01:18:17.120 hey hey look at these statistics over here like no you're going to be a motive you're going to

01:18:23.200 get passionate you're gonna you know fight for what you think is right and as justin trudeau said

01:18:30.700 the anger is understandable

01:18:33.040 the anger is understandable

01:18:34.880 after the church is burned down so if

01:18:36.820 Justin Trudeau can say the anger is

01:18:38.700 understandable do I not have the right

01:18:41.060 to get angry at a

01:18:42.980 specific person potentially at

01:18:44.920 a specific group and that's

01:18:46.780 and that's what I that's what I think like

01:18:48.340 you know

01:18:49.520 emphasizing the messiness of free

01:18:52.740 expression is kind of what needs to be

01:18:54.520 emphasized here you know like

01:18:56.420 because

01:18:57.720 meanwhile you have these politicians who are

01:19:00.600 like we need to stop hate stop hate like this is the most orwellian shit the most inhuman stuff

01:19:06.220 to say that you're gonna police emotion uh like that's the frame that i feel like not enough

01:19:11.860 people in the conservative party chose um you know they did they did a decent job but um it's it's

01:19:19.160 it's unfortunate because it really is like such a fundamental western value like western

01:19:26.240 civilizational thing that

01:19:28.700 I don't know

01:19:30.460 definitely doesn't get talked about in the mainstream

01:19:32.640 like people are so primed for this

01:19:34.620 stuff with all the talk about like wanting to stop

01:19:36.660 hate and all this nonsense

01:19:37.780 but yeah no there might be

01:19:40.560 something in there that's something I heard

01:19:42.400 in terms of trying to persuade a senator

01:19:44.320 trying to find

01:19:46.480 as many kind of like constitutional

01:19:48.300 receipts as you can

01:19:49.820 in terms of things that have been written about

01:19:52.320 like in the official kind of legalese

01:19:54.640 of Canadian history so

01:19:56.120 there might be something here yeah but even so bad ideas have to be able you have to be able to

01:20:02.900 express even the worst ideas right because you know you don't come to a consensus without

01:20:11.000 everything on the table and when you say something like uh what you brought up before like uh so

01:20:18.600 these indian truckers are you know committing fraud and killing people on canadian roads which

01:20:25.640 are all true right but because you said indian truckers you are now uh promoting hate or you're

01:20:36.240 engaging in vilification or detestation of a certain group when the reality is it's the vast

01:20:45.420 majority of these people committing these uh you know fraudulent acts you know getting behind a

01:20:52.400 vehicle or the wheel of a vehicle

01:20:55.360 they have no

01:20:57.180 experience with

01:20:58.300 who is insuring these people and who

01:21:01.140 is authorizing these people to have a license

01:21:03.220 you know what I mean like what the

01:21:05.180 fuck is going on

01:21:06.320 let's keep it on topic here Nathan

01:21:09.640 I appreciate it

01:21:11.500 the CDL thing

01:21:12.980 the CDL thing like it's like who is actually

01:21:15.540 fucking having

01:21:17.320 the balls to insure this and who is

01:21:19.060 you know

01:21:19.920 it's all being done it's all being done overseas through corporate companies like corporate shell

01:21:25.880 companies it's very difficult for them to track but like i'm gonna get back on topic so if if we

01:21:32.240 look at that as an example right we are now eliminating the ability to track statistics

01:21:39.500 uh you know um even uh prevent these sort of things from happening like by by suppressing

01:21:49.720 that by suppressing those thoughts on the basis uh like by suppressing the people's ability to speak

01:22:00.380 freely about those sorts of things uh prevents us from identifying real world problems

01:22:09.540 and societal problems would you not agree

01:22:12.740 like we can't we can't identify specific problems in society without specifically targeting certain

01:22:26.200 groups if we're a multicultural nation like they're trying to tell us we are we cannot

01:22:32.840 identify the problems that are impacting our country if we do not identify the people behind

01:22:38.880 the problems well here's if we identify those people outright like you gave an example of

01:22:46.080 before it now falls under hate right it falls under vilification detestation and you know

01:22:53.740 it's actually really ironic about what you're saying i i agree with you um and it's like

01:23:01.780 the ruling class

01:23:03.920 doesn't want us to ever

01:23:06.280 do that they're like hey

01:23:08.440 citizens you all need to get along you

01:23:10.340 shouldn't stereotype each other you shouldn't generalize

01:23:12.620 one another but then what does the ruling

01:23:14.400 class do or what do these different

01:23:16.480 political parties do you know

01:23:18.220 all liberals are communists

01:23:20.560 all conservatives are

01:23:22.380 racist everybody who's

01:23:24.500 in Russia are evil

01:23:26.100 you know Putin is horrible

01:23:28.460 Russians are shit we're gonna bomb the

01:23:30.480 fuck out of them you know like like that's exactly what leaders do that they generalize

01:23:35.080 that's like their greatest weapon is like creating fear and animosity detesting and

01:23:41.280 vilifying their political enemies like that this is their like mo basically maybe that's actually

01:23:46.240 a good you colonizers are you are you guys look hey guys look um you were a fan of mckenzie king

01:23:53.800 right one of their greatest prime ministers both of you you would say like yeah he was

01:23:58.820 fucking pretty base it was awesome it's it's embarrassing it's embarrassing to say but like

01:24:04.760 i i don't know nearly enough about our canadian history and prime ministers okay okay well

01:24:11.720 mackenzie king was like you know he was uh the best prime minister he was the longest serving

01:24:17.260 prime minister of canada 21 years for a reason right and uh you know he he didn't he wanted to

01:24:23.520 maintain the english scottish irish french um you know the the red ends he wanted to that to be

01:24:32.660 canada he opposed the war in germany because he didn't he knew it would lead to mass migration

01:24:37.640 if you really look at him he was fucking he was a a notch above you know mcdonald's in my opinion

01:24:43.420 he was long as prime minister for a reason anyway and he was a liberal right but a liberal that

01:24:48.880 would have hung conservatives today for being too liberal do you get me the like liberalism meant

01:24:54.660 a different thing back then and i'm sure guys your parents or possibly your grandparents voted

01:25:01.000 liberal and you know boomers they were raised by a television that told them what to do and they

01:25:07.100 voted not based on policy they voted because my father was a liberal i'm going to vote liberal

01:25:12.020 right not realizing that link and transition were turned into socialism into communism like

01:25:17.900 the combustion of both at the same time in that engine right so that's where like that link is

01:25:24.180 missed and you can't tell them nothing because they're so dull in the head like that's where

01:25:28.480 things got a little lost because it didn't mean what it once meant and what it once was like i

01:25:34.440 said like mckenzie king 100 would have hung conservatives today conservatives a liberal

01:25:40.540 government would have hung conservatives for being liberal extremists you know like the the

01:25:46.140 the opposite of what liberalism meant back then you know and in the 40s right so it's not that

01:25:51.120 long ago at the end of the day so that's where we really lost a lot oh sorry go ahead no no thank

01:25:57.840 you thank you um thank you for that thought i ryer tap what you were just saying i think like a few

01:26:04.800 minutes ago actually sort of just started to like click and resonate with me because it's like

01:26:10.700 let's say you are a group of foreign people living in canada and let's say you have a very

01:26:20.200 tribal mindset you are gonna take this these bills to the bank you're gonna take this new

01:26:26.500 legislation you know what i mean it's like you can operate as as coordinated as you'd like

01:26:31.280 as a tribe you can totally be advocating for your tribe causing problems your your tribe doing this

01:26:37.280 doing that but it's like if anybody points out this pattern of what your tribe is doing well

01:26:43.120 actually that's that's illegal that's that's that's a you know you're vilifying us you're

01:26:48.360 detesting us it's the perfect force field for any sort of like tribal entity that's operating in

01:26:54.040 canada because it's like hey you can't say this about yeah it's like exactly it's it's exactly

01:27:01.800 like you know when whitey bulger signed that deal with the fbi and then you know he just ran amok

01:27:09.180 and you know took over the entire drug trade it's it's going to be the same thing for identifiable

01:27:14.940 groups in canada they're going to use our own laws and we've seen this time and time again we've seen

01:27:21.420 it with muslims we've seen it with indians we've seen it with every single group that comes here

01:27:27.540 they use our system and our laws against us and this is exactly what this bill is going to do

01:27:34.100 it's gonna it's gonna shield them and they're gonna target uh people like near you who speak

01:27:42.860 out against it and then we are going to get vilified and and punished for it and while they

01:27:50.700 make a while they and in the meantime like what do they do they make a country within a country

01:27:55.640 they form their own community they don't integrate it's not multicultural they make the

01:27:58.840 they they they pile into one community Brampton based on their own ethnicity their shared culture

01:28:04.640 values and that grows and expands to another community and when you walk down there you feel

01:28:08.960 like you're another youth you feel like you've you know like what does Canada feel like to us

01:28:12.560 now guys it feels like we're in a permanent vacation into the third world on our own soil

01:28:16.160 right because well hey now I hey now I now I don't have to ever go on a trip to India because

01:28:21.140 I already know what it's like.

01:28:22.800 You've got to look on the bright side, bro.

01:28:24.940 I do want to throw a wrench into this conversation.

01:28:29.560 And I don't know, Natasha Montreal, I see you're here.

01:28:32.020 I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

01:28:34.240 But there's wars going on overseas.

01:28:38.560 And as I said, part of what political leaders do, they vilify their enemy.

01:28:43.560 And here is a tweet of a video from Benjamin Netanyahu who famously said,

01:28:48.440 And this is right around the time that they were about to, like, bomb Gaza or whatever.

01:28:53.420 Bibi says, this is not a clash of civilizations.

01:28:55.960 It's a clash between barbarism and civilization.

01:28:59.500 It's a clash between those who glorify death and those who sanctify life.

01:29:03.840 Now, this sounds like very beautiful flowery language.

01:29:06.120 But in reality, this is vilifying Gazans or vilifying, you know, a group of people justifying right before a bunch of bombs are going to drop on the area.

01:29:17.160 and this was retweeted by Roman Babber

01:29:20.160 a conservative MP

01:29:22.280 so like

01:29:23.360 when it comes to foreign wars

01:29:25.780 is it okay to endorse other politicians

01:29:28.480 who are certainly

01:29:30.420 to some degree

01:29:31.640 promoting hatred against an identifiable

01:29:34.300 group

01:29:34.740 because the same thing also happened with

01:29:38.200 Putin as well, like you could find other examples

01:29:40.280 where Putin

01:29:41.380 dude, I remember right after the convoy

01:29:44.060 when the

01:29:45.460 you know, Russia, Ukraine, Russia, Ukraine thing broke out. I told my parents, I'm like,

01:29:53.880 oh, I was just on the phone with them. And I'm like, I don't really know if it's as simple as

01:29:58.460 Putin just being this evil guy who wants to take over the world. Like I kind of took a neutral

01:30:03.120 stance and my parents got so upset at me for having a neutral stance on this topic. And I say

01:30:10.060 that because that's how powerful the messaging was. They're like, wait, you don't think Putin

01:30:15.740 is a villain? What the fuck is wrong with you? Right? So like, this is another example of how

01:30:21.360 the news media and our politicians effectively do vilify people all the time, especially when it

01:30:27.640 comes to, you know, major geopolitical, you know, moves and war that goes on overseas. Like it's

01:30:34.640 funny how they're trying to criminalize detesting and vilifying people when, when it comes to being

01:30:39.760 ruling class that's kind of like one of your main tools that's one of your main like tactics

01:30:44.560 to get people to move you use fear you use anger to uh try to manipulate the masses to do one thing

01:30:50.720 or another oh we got natasha here i just said approve i'd love to hear what uh natasha has to

01:30:57.920 say on this hello natasha welcome hi thanks sorry it's a bit glitchy so can you hear me

01:31:07.440 yeah i can hear you 100 okay so what what was your question

01:31:12.780 oh no i just made a comment about how you could probably make the argument that roman bobber

01:31:20.680 contributed to vilifying or detesting an identifiable group by retweeting a bb netanyahu's

01:31:27.340 comment um saying this is a clash between barbarism and civilization whether you could

01:31:34.040 say that's like palestinians he was toward target towards or whether it was targeted towards muslims

01:31:38.780 um yeah it was probably targeted towards hamas which is a terrorist group but i haven't read it

01:31:45.940 so i can't comment on that but what i can comment on is that like if you pull up the tweet i'll

01:31:53.220 comment on what i can read but i can't comment on what like something a quote i haven't read

01:31:57.240 but i can i can read the quote off if you want

01:32:01.760 yeah i mean if you specifically want my my opinion on that i'll i'll give you one but

01:32:08.140 i i think that 100 this legislation is going to be targeted towards people like me who are

01:32:16.660 reporting on what's going on on our streets and i get it literally every day every day

01:32:22.860 i get comments from people um basically veiled threats now i don't know if the average person

01:32:29.440 is going to go through with a veiled threat but i know that in reporting on like pro hamas groups

01:32:35.220 there's a lot of money behind uh these groups and they're very litigious so um and i've been

01:32:44.300 like i've been threatened on film before um you know you're gonna hear from my lawyer so i i mean

01:32:50.980 And it will limit freedom of the press.

01:32:54.780 It will limit the ability of people to care for it.

01:32:58.000 Sorry, for speaking out against Hamas and that aspect of the political spectrum?

01:33:04.620 I live in Montreal, and there's a lot of pro-Hamas groups here.

01:33:13.720 It's not just pro-Hamas.

01:33:14.960 It's like they've transitioned now into pro-IRGC.

01:33:18.680 but they're basically uh fledgling fledgling groups some are student groups that are funded

01:33:25.440 through the u.s through parents uh charities through the u.s and student organizations

01:33:31.360 and others are like montreal for palestine there's also uh toronto for palestine and i think

01:33:39.240 maybe mississauga for palestine but those are more there there are more virulent groups than

01:33:45.560 the student organizations the student organizations generally meet with like you know queers for

01:33:53.160 palestine and they meet with the unions and the marxists but montreal for palestine is affiliated

01:33:59.360 with a lot more extremist uh activity yeah they're the transition people from like black lives matter

01:34:08.520 to you know and just yeah yeah but that's like my concern with this is that just even reporting

01:34:15.260 raw footage and and profiling individuals like i broke a story on on someone who had a discord

01:34:23.660 server and uh he was a student at dawson he was in the muslim student association and

01:34:30.240 islamic relief and so you know you worry are you going to be uh taken to court for

01:34:38.040 for you know supposed targeting and vilification where you're just reporting on the facts

01:34:42.620 yeah do you do you challenge the zionist view of that do you challenge the zionist view of that

01:34:49.280 just one side i'm gonna i'm gonna right i'm hearing too many people at the same at the

01:34:54.860 same time yeah um you mentioned that veiled threats you've received and also legal threats

01:35:02.620 and was this from specific groups or just like messages online or

01:35:06.380 no no it's from people like in public in real life um like the leaders of these organizations

01:35:14.060 like one said i'll see you in court that hasn't happened but i don't know you know if he was just

01:35:20.700 trash talking or if he meant it like it's very hard to know there's there's i've done reporting

01:35:26.860 on the muslim association of canada and they have an unbelievable amount of money invested

01:35:35.760 and going into properties and in organizations mosques um and then various learning centers

01:35:43.380 and private schools across the country like this isn't these are not uh broke you know broke guys

01:35:52.380 non-guys online you know what i mean like there's it's do you know there's a lot of what there's a

01:35:59.720 lot of left-wing groups obviously that are very sympathetic to the palestinian cause and that

01:36:04.560 sort of thing um do you have any like high level examples of um you know leftist canadian

01:36:12.320 politicians who you think have you know contributed to the to vilification or uh

01:36:19.260 detestation of an identifiable group well i mean i think uh white people are vilified in canada

01:36:28.640 daily i don't know if that counts because in the legislation it's basically only minority groups

01:36:36.800 right right yeah and and what we're trying to do kind of with this space is kind of like break down

01:36:43.280 uh like get get some receipts and specific examples of like one time this politician said

01:36:48.780 this which is an example of something close to detestation or vilification of an identifiable

01:36:54.340 group um but i do agree with what you're saying i mean it's very vague to even try to

01:37:00.980 to try to quantify that but i think outcomes matter and we're seeing with like let's put

01:37:08.980 it this way i've tried to explain because people are very focused on and it's understandable

01:37:14.120 they're very focused on their own province so i focus a lot on what's happening with muslim

01:37:20.020 extremists because we have a very large muslim population in montreal it's not like that in the

01:37:25.740 other provinces and in the other provinces people may have more um indigenous extremists like in

01:37:32.020 alberta and i'm seeing the protests there with francis widowson and out in bc it's a mix you

01:37:38.440 have you know the indigenous you have uh whatever in toronto you may have the calistanis and then

01:37:44.260 also the the muslim extremists you you might have other groups it's and people are very focused on

01:37:50.380 the groups that are causing issues where they live um so i do get a bit of tunnel vision because i'm

01:37:58.680 a montrealer and because i'm i'm i've followed like i followed islam and nationalism since

01:38:04.100 university it's one of the areas of specialization that i did in my degree so now it's kind of

01:38:09.760 playing out in real life but in terms of like hostility towards canadians i mean and towards

01:38:16.360 christians and white people yes i mean it happened in montreal when sean boyd came i don't know if

01:38:21.980 anybody followed that but he came he couldn't even give a concert in montreal and antifa came in

01:38:26.980 threw a smoke bomb it was an absolute shiza show there there were police everywhere um the church

01:38:35.240 was fined, Restoration Church was fined for hosting him. So I don't see how that isn't

01:38:43.180 promoting vilification against Christians, if a Christian can't even come and perform.

01:38:47.960 I mean, that's Valerie Plante, that would be the ex-mayor of Montreal, but I don't know,

01:38:53.180 like, I can't rattle off the top of my head exactly the words that she used, but she implied

01:38:57.880 that that his his being there would cause uh you know hostility towards homosexuals and various

01:39:07.720 other groups so it's kind of like vilifying while playing the victim at the same time i don't know

01:39:14.620 how to describe it but it but the thing is people need to understand like i've been through the

01:39:19.520 court system in canada and we have anarcho-tyranny so you can have the best legal arguments in the

01:39:26.380 world but the chances are you're going to hit a liberal appointed judge and they're full-on

01:39:32.440 marxist so it's great and strategic and and hopeful to to be trying to put together a strategy

01:39:41.840 of dealing with all of this but i'm very very concerned about it which is why i spoke out

01:39:46.300 against it you know but yeah no that's a good example with the um that recording artist that

01:39:54.200 came here because i think there was like a chorus of different um politicians who chimed in or like

01:39:59.380 leftists who chimed in uh in support of his cancellation if i'm not mistaken like people

01:40:06.300 were like well i believe he was he was sorry to interrupt you i believe he was also cancelled in

01:40:13.180 other provinces not just in quebec but in quebec it became violent so that's that that was the

01:40:19.320 difference like and to me if the mayor is canceling permits that were given to him to perform

01:40:26.760 and then a private religious you know a church welcomes him to have a worship night and the

01:40:35.620 police have to go to protect worshipers who are there to see him and then the perimeter is broached

01:40:42.800 by someone who is actually a department of national defense employee who's antifa affiliated

01:40:48.580 who throws smoke bombs at the performer like if that is not inciting people like i don't know what

01:40:56.420 what would be inciting people yeah yeah no absolutely and you know you brought up something

01:41:02.340 earlier which we've mentioned but we didn't really dig into which is obviously there's the

01:41:08.340 opportunity for the state or the government to uh you know use this bill or use these laws to

01:41:15.140 kind of pick on people they don't like you know we kind of have this multicultural mess now in

01:41:19.080 canada tons of different groups different factions hate each other but it's also an opportunity for

01:41:23.800 different factions to also use the bill or use these laws against people they don't like

01:41:29.660 and you were kind of alluding to how you know muslim groups pick on you and you know veiled

01:41:35.380 threats and you said i think you said legal threats as well and um i i think i think it

01:41:41.760 be a mess nobody's actually like people have physically assaulted me but but nobody's actually

01:41:49.120 sued me yet so i've had like i've been i've been assaulted i don't know how many times

01:41:54.880 it would be impossible for me to count but but in terms of actually being dragged through the courts

01:42:00.880 fortunately at least that hasn't happened yet but i expect it it might now following this

01:42:05.680 legislation you know right exactly and i think that would certainly go both ways like i think

01:42:13.100 muslim groups would be going after jewish groups and jewish groups would be going after muslim

01:42:17.020 groups and i think it would be a huge huge huge mess no you're hateful no no we're hateful whatever

01:42:21.980 um and i guess i kind of want to get your thoughts on the fact that there's a big big difference

01:42:28.100 though because so i hear this like conflation a lot i i guess i find it irritating because it's

01:42:36.180 again like one of my areas of specialization but one of the one of the things that's conflated a

01:42:40.740 lot is like jews are not a monolith they're basically evenly split between being 50 conservative

01:42:47.860 in canada and 50 progressive and it's it's not the us where you know the majority are progressives

01:42:55.540 It's not the same thing. We have a different diaspora. And much like with most, you know, white Canadians, believers, the power are really controlled more by the progressive Jews.

01:43:08.960 They're kind of the official Jews, the same way as the official Christians are the ones that invite trannies into their united churches.

01:43:16.080 And I don't even consider them Christians. So it's kind of a very similar discussion among the Jewish community.

01:43:22.520 i'm not jewish i don't speak for them so nobody take it as me like the cash this is my this is my

01:43:27.960 analysis so jewish progressive groups um lobbied behind c9 to support it jewish conservative groups

01:43:38.280 did not they don't get any kind of airtime or coverage the same way conservative groups

01:43:43.320 well hold on doesn't the conservative party endorse siege all the time

01:43:46.440 i don't know i i mean i'm not cpc so to be honest i like i i don't want to be nasty but i have a lot

01:43:55.260 of contempt for them and i don't follow a lot of what they do like i see funds a lot of the

01:44:01.920 conservative members that could be i don't know i can't think the bad i'm not a cpc member i i

01:44:09.260 haven't supported the conservative party of canada since harper's first term so like i'm not on the

01:44:15.740 up and up and what's going on in that party to be honest but all of this is to say that yes there is

01:44:21.700 lawfare against um against people who are attacking you know synagogues and beating people up and

01:44:30.260 stuff um but they're not they're not winning so one side is winning and it's it's the muslim side

01:44:40.200 is winning like the CRA and like I'll be the last person to say that the you know that our

01:44:46.100 our tax institutions are amazing but they actually did a very good I read 115 page report that they

01:44:52.600 did on the Muslim Association of Canada they worked for a very long time on this report and

01:44:59.940 they basically tied them to financing that was going to terrorist groups overseas

01:45:06.120 And what ended up happening was the Muslim groups that were singled out in this report, like the Muslim Association of Canada, just brought them endless lawfare.

01:45:20.080 And it's still ongoing. I think the report might have finished in 2016.

01:45:26.320 So it's like Islamophobia, alleging this, alleging that.

01:45:29.840 They're doing like the Muslim population is large in Canada in terms of being a minority.

01:45:35.700 it's about five percent that was in the last census so it's going to be a lot bigger the

01:45:40.200 next census that was five years ago and um there's a lot like there there are a lot of muslim mps

01:45:47.800 and what was you know sorry to cut you off what did you say the legal action that

01:45:54.220 the muslim association of canada like took some legal action or something

01:45:57.800 yeah against the cra accusing them of targeting them because they're islamophobic and not

01:46:05.600 because the CRA was concerned about terrorist financing overseas it's a really long report

01:46:12.700 I don't want to say anything to put myself in a position of getting sued because I don't have

01:46:17.100 the report right in front of me but it was basically connecting the Muslim Association

01:46:23.480 of Canada which is like a massive massive association like if anybody in any province

01:46:28.340 wants to look up you know Muslim Association of Canada what they have going on in their own

01:46:34.880 province they'll have something going on whether it's a private school whether it's a mosque whether

01:46:39.180 it's a learning center whatever and they they create kind of like you know it's community right

01:46:46.700 but they create a lot of different funding through real estate holdings and things that

01:46:53.120 normally religious organizations are not allowed to do like one of the findings in the CRA report

01:47:00.040 was on uh i believe it was over 10 million dollars in real estate that you know the investments that

01:47:09.060 are are not permitted by charities right but my point is is not that there are not um

01:47:17.500 progressive jews that are litigious and that uh focus on

01:47:25.140 that they're almost like I don't want to be unkind but they're almost like operating in a

01:47:31.980 different time like they haven't like updated the software to understand who are the people

01:47:40.460 that are targeting Jews at this point you're talking you're talking about leftist Jews

01:47:45.960 yes because leftist Jews are not critical of Muslims it's it's the right of center Jews

01:47:53.960 they're saying like look this is the threat these are the people that are literally beating us up in

01:47:57.960 the street it's these are the people that are shooting at the synagogues and at the girls

01:48:02.760 schools they will call call out and they'll talk about immigration and they'll talk about

01:48:08.680 that but progressive the progressive side are concerned about like the phantom five white

01:48:15.000 supremacists in canada like it's it's like they're older people operating in a different time frame

01:48:22.200 I don't know how to explain it.

01:48:23.940 Okay, Natasha, do you think that this bill, though, is going to be weaponized?

01:48:29.640 Like, do you think the Muslims are going to weaponize it against the Jews and the Jews are going to weaponize it against the Muslims?

01:48:36.800 Or do you think that...

01:48:38.260 I don't think that the Jews will have any success whatsoever if they try and weaponize it.

01:48:45.900 They may think that it will work out that way.

01:48:48.060 I don't think it will.

01:48:48.820 but do you think it's more likely that white christians are going to be targeted by this bill

01:48:54.400 of course yes by muslims that's what i think will happen that's my anticipation you don't

01:49:03.120 think jews are going to target what uh white christians either um i mean i've never been

01:49:09.300 targeted by jews in my life and i'm a very outspoken christian i have physically been

01:49:16.340 assaulted more times than i can tell you in our streets by muslim activists like in front of

01:49:22.580 police what's interesting is that you know there's this there was this clip from andrew lawton

01:49:28.180 maybe you've seen it he was talking you know he was opposing bill c9 and he says you know hundreds

01:49:34.300 of christian groups oppose this bill hundreds of muslim groups oppose this bill and like a dozen

01:49:40.180 rabbis so like if you actually go like pound for pound religious group for religious group

01:49:45.280 um christians oppose it i don't think that many i i don't know how that how many christian groups

01:49:53.060 like my church that i go to is a traditional bible believing church but i am like i i'm fairly

01:50:00.360 knowledgeable about the christian community and a lot of christian churches are just as woke and

01:50:04.580 progressive as you know what i mean like i mean maybe that's maybe that's true but like let's put

01:50:12.040 it this way it's it's conservatives are not the people that normally have advocacy groups and

01:50:21.120 that's the same across religions so you there will be muslims who are aligned in terms of values with

01:50:30.420 me they would be the muslims that were opposed to like the all the trans ideology right but

01:50:38.300 they're not the people that have the muslim advocacy groups they're still running along

01:50:44.140 with the socialists it's the same across all religious lines well so you're not going to see

01:50:49.240 like a huge representation of jewish conservatives among the advocacy groups like i only know one

01:50:55.760 conservative advocacy group that's jewish off the top of my head and i can't think of a single

01:51:01.660 conservative christian advocacy group off the top of my head i'm not saying they don't exist but

01:51:06.420 it's like because conservatives are working we have kids we're busy we have families we have jobs

01:51:13.260 we're not getting paid by the government to have advocacy groups right there's tons of

01:51:20.780 Christian groups you know you're making fair points you're making fair points hold on you're

01:51:26.160 making fair points but in terms of like large amounts of groups who are opposing c9 there is

01:51:33.940 like hundreds of christian groups there is hundreds of muslim groups including the one

01:51:38.940 that you just mentioned muslim association of canada they actually oppose bill c9 as well

01:51:43.160 that's just because they want to be able to say that they can you know kill the jew behind the

01:51:47.920 tree which is part of their scripture and like kill all the non-believers including christians

01:51:52.760 and you think you know what i don't have a problem hold on hold on you think that's the

01:51:55.720 only reason that a muslim person would oppose bill c9 yes because their their book if you've

01:52:03.900 read the quran i have like multiple copies literally right behind me hold on hold on so

01:52:08.440 so jews are not a monolith but muslims are in your opinion well there's a big difference between the

01:52:16.220 two faiths um one has been reformed and one hasn't like i've lived in saudi i i know uh what i'm

01:52:24.540 talking about on this topic i'm happy to engage but i'm not just speaking out of some kind of

01:52:29.860 prejudice i have muslim friends and they understand the issues with islam there are 50

01:52:36.520 over 50 examples of how islam plays out in reality so it's not natasha graham's personal opinion like

01:52:43.540 you can look to the countries and see what happens right but like you know you were saying that oh

01:52:48.400 there's left-wing jews and there's right-wing jews and you're kind of saying that all muslims

01:52:51.720 are left-wing but like you know there's plenty of the majority a majority of muslims are left-wing

01:52:58.980 in Canada that's the statistical fact the overwhelming majority link and over 90% right

01:53:05.520 and the in these censorship bills if we if we could call them that you think are generally

01:53:10.380 leftist coded would you agree with that uh leftist I don't know what that means

01:53:17.820 if they want to stop hate this is generally something that a left-wing person would do

01:53:26.140 to you know they want to stop hate they want to you know kill freedom of expression to stop the

01:53:31.400 bigots like it's like a left more leftist coded thing my question is if if yeah you're saying that

01:53:42.160 muslims are so associated with the left with the left with the left you know the epitome of the

01:53:46.860 far left the the epitome of the far left would be antifa who certainly supports bill c9 so the

01:53:53.920 question is then then why does a bunch of muslim groups oppose c9 if they're allegedly always

01:54:01.060 left-wing like you're saying um i didn't say all as i just said over like about 90 percent

01:54:08.560 vote left in canada which is factual um because they want to be able to express and preach their

01:54:15.280 hate in their mosques and on the streets and so this will interfere with that but you should look

01:54:23.400 up um because it's like i'm not i don't want to monopolize your space and i guess this is why

01:54:28.240 and obviously this is why that why jews support it then and you think so it's only natural that

01:54:33.600 a lot of pretty well it's only half of jews support it like you're creating the averages

01:54:41.660 that i work with are based on voting patterns and they're also based on what happens in

01:54:48.620 muslim countries versus you know israel and then versus the diaspora but i'm not just like

01:54:55.600 generalizing out of thin air right but you kind of it sounds like you have sympathy for why jewish

01:55:02.280 people would want c9 to pass if if they think that it's going to help them you know silence

01:55:07.480 muslims who are you're saying all calling for the death of i don't have sympathy i think it's i think

01:55:12.540 it's absolutely ridiculous i understand the logic behind it i think it's irrational i disagree with

01:55:18.840 it i said that to so many people because i try and talk to people across the aisle but it absolutely

01:55:25.780 is not going to work the way that they think it will so if you're against bill c9 do you think

01:55:33.300 muslims should still have that right to preach from their quran like i think that islam is

01:55:42.420 completely um counter to western civilization and that we should not be bringing muslims into

01:55:49.840 canada period but i think in terms of what people what happens in the mosque it's very complicated

01:55:59.060 because like obviously if people know the bible there are many passages that are um you know

01:56:08.780 strident and kind of, you know, they're pretty crazy. Like some, when you get into the Old

01:56:16.700 Testament, you're reading through it and you're thinking, oh my gosh, like if you're unfamiliar

01:56:19.700 with it, because if it's decontextualized, it's very confusing to people. I think people should

01:56:27.420 be able to say heinous things, hateful things, nasty things, awful things. My line personally

01:56:35.500 is defamation, lying about people, and endorsing terrorism.

01:56:43.640 So what I am reporting on on the streets of Canada is people saying

01:56:49.760 they basically want to destroy anybody who disagrees with them.

01:56:55.680 You know, they're climbing churches, they're setting off smoke bombs on churches,

01:57:02.500 They're saying they want to destroy all the Zionists, all the Christians standing in their way.

01:57:08.980 They're endorsing terrorist groups.

01:57:11.000 They're saying Hezbollah chants like that.

01:57:13.800 I don't think should be permitted in Canada.

01:57:15.920 This is Canada.

01:57:17.020 This is not the Middle East.

01:57:18.360 Like, get this off our streets.

01:57:20.700 That's an incitement to violence, though.

01:57:23.180 And it's endorsing terrorism.

01:57:25.940 But my argument to Jewish progressives was people who are assaulting, harassing, intimidating, physically assaulting in front of police officers, inciting terrorism, literally giving like Hamas and Hezbollah speeches.

01:57:42.360 Those are designated terrorist organizations in Canada.

01:57:45.220 All of those people that are not being charged, they're not going to be charged with hate now.

01:57:51.000 Like, grow up.

01:57:51.920 Like, come on.

01:57:52.580 no i know that they're not going to be charged with hate but i'm saying that the people that

01:57:58.920 were desperate kind of let's say from the jewish community from the progressive side who who thought

01:58:05.640 this would help they're desperate and they think this will help it's not going to help

01:58:09.300 it is not going to help the there are crimes that are being committed that are much worse

01:58:14.260 and people are not being arrested for them so it's it's a fool's errand to support this is is

01:58:21.920 is what i'm saying well like i disagreed i i was very very upset that that anybody would support

01:58:31.180 this but but it's it's also it's just so misguided that progressive jews think this is going to help

01:58:37.520 it's like you're not you're not winning any of these legal wars well what i never understood

01:58:43.320 is you know you're right a lot of left-wing jews oppose um or they want c9 and you're saying

01:58:50.420 naively but the thing is Jews across the board are like you

01:58:54.900 know they're like anti-semitism is a problem anti-semitism is a

01:58:57.500 problem anti-semitism is a problem and it's like you know do

01:59:00.660 something about the anti-semitism and it's like how does that not

01:59:03.260 perfectly play into what you could use c9 for that part never

01:59:08.440 made sense. Yeah but Greg you don't understand like there are

01:59:14.640 people being physically assaulted in Montreal which is already

01:59:17.940 who are getting off on it who are getting off on it like there there was a visibly jewish guy who

01:59:23.760 was beaten up in front of his kids his kippah was thrown by i don't know if the guy had citizenship

01:59:31.900 or not but he was like a a foreigner basically maybe raised here whatever and he uh the judge

01:59:40.760 said that well it wasn't the judge but he he had like a psyche valve he was found to be unwell even

01:59:47.420 though he'd been participating in all of the like pro hamas marches or whatever and then it was said

01:59:55.560 that his met like his psych condition was exacerbated by the hot weather so like i can

02:00:03.640 understand the fear when people are being assaulted out of the blue for no reason

02:00:10.620 like if if girls school like christian christian girls schools were being shot at

02:00:16.560 and there wasn't a lot of appetite to really do anything about it i would also be really worried

02:00:24.160 but this just isn't a place to put the energy like this is it's totally ineffective and all

02:00:30.720 it's going to do is make it more difficult for people like me to report on what's happening

02:00:35.880 mm-hmm yeah yeah well that's fair enough i want to move on to uh to a new topic thank you for

02:00:43.660 for sharing your thoughts on all that natasha um i think we got my pleasure i think we got esma v

02:00:49.860 uh in the wings here and i wanted to talk about people who are critical of the lgbtq plus

02:00:58.520 ideology specifically you know that ideology being taught to children or people who disagree with

02:01:05.140 you know trans women are women um we even have like an example of ccis at one point saying

02:01:13.320 um uh saying what do they say they said that like um people who are critical of gender ideology

02:01:25.260 um are like more prone to violence or something like this um i don't know if i'm saying your

02:01:34.480 name right is it as me big dragon energy um are you one of this stuff as me yeah it's me

02:01:42.500 um do you know what i'm referring to this thing that ceases said of like you got you got to be

02:01:49.700 afraid of these people who are critical of gender ideology because they're violent and it's like

02:01:55.040 okay ceases i think you should be focused on terrorists but yeah yeah ceases um at one point

02:02:02.680 in their threat report named gender-critical feminists or women as an extremist group,

02:02:13.520 although they did say that we didn't present a clear and present danger, but that we're on their

02:02:20.700 list to watch. So yeah, that's just women gathering together to speak about our concerns

02:02:29.960 uh about being infiltrated by perverts um yeah that that we're apparently that makes us extreme

02:02:39.280 and we need to be watched by the spy agency yeah you fall under the imve framework yeah and this

02:02:50.100 framework uh ideologically motivated violent extremist groups right they're just tying

02:02:59.520 together having an ideology with uh violent extremism it's very very hack very uh very

02:03:06.200 clever yeah yeah and the the irony of it is that the only people doing any violence are

02:03:15.600 our opponents, because there have been many incidents of so-called trans people and their

02:03:24.100 allies attacking women, both in Canada and around the world. And so, for instance,

02:03:31.060 Canadian women's sex-based rights, of which I'm a founding member and I'm on the steering committee,

02:03:36.260 uh we had our national annual excuse me national annual conference in montreal a couple weeks ago

02:03:46.700 and so it was our third annual we have to spend our own money on uh security guards just to make

02:03:55.480 sure that nobody gets hurt we also have to go to great lengths not to publish the location of where

02:04:02.660 we're holding these so that the trans activists don't show up and threaten us with rape and death

02:04:10.560 so the fact that cesus is has has us on a list and not the trans activists is just so so canada

02:04:22.080 2026 it's disgusting you answered your own question it's the imve framework was built

02:04:31.280 from barbara perry's research into far-right extremism and uh so they built this category

02:04:40.600 so there's r uh r i ve which is like religiously motivated or i or r m ve which that's where

02:04:52.880 islamic terrorists fall under and then imve is more right-wing ideology and you fall within that

02:05:01.060 ideology their crimes are listed as either civil unrest or political action so they don't have a

02:05:12.400 specific category so because they don't have their own category they're not being watched by our

02:05:18.940 intelligence agencies and and it's crazy that we are considered a right-wing extremist group

02:05:27.980 because we have been explicit in the fact from our very founding that we're nonpartisan. And in fact,

02:05:35.020 we have over 220 women in our national network of vetted associates who come from every single

02:05:44.780 party. We have all parties represented and we're all working together peacefully towards the one

02:05:50.460 goal of restoring sex reality in law and public policy in canada yeah i'm just thinking about how

02:06:00.140 how twisted our our reality is right now anybody who disagrees with the statement trans women are

02:06:06.140 women anybody who doesn't think trans kids are a legitimate thing you're automatically a far

02:06:15.660 You're automatically demonized as a far right fascist and like what a,

02:06:22.660 what a twisted world we live in.

02:06:24.780 And I'm going to get,

02:06:25.800 I'm going to,

02:06:26.180 we're going to go over more examples.

02:06:27.740 So definitely chime in as we keep going.

02:06:30.660 But another one is,

02:06:34.260 and again,

02:06:35.060 just to reiterate the kind of topic,

02:06:36.540 the kind of point is we're trying to find examples of Canadian institutions

02:06:41.260 like CSIS or Canadian politicians

02:06:43.320 participating

02:06:45.520 in the detestation and vilification

02:06:47.560 of Canadian

02:06:49.460 citizens or identifiable groups

02:06:51.480 ideally but this one is

02:06:53.480 from same topic having to do with

02:06:55.600 people who are gender

02:06:57.720 critical what term do you

02:06:59.620 do you use big dragon energy

02:07:01.700 what's it like do you

02:07:02.820 like what's this

02:07:05.520 kind of like short form that

02:07:07.600 you like right so

02:07:09.220 so we started off calling ourselves gender critical but we have even rejected the term

02:07:16.080 gender because it's a post-modernist bullshit term i like it so now so now we we call ourselves

02:07:23.960 reality-based and that's kind of or you know sex realist reality-based that's how mainly but a lot

02:07:34.060 of women call themselves gender critical a lot of women call themselves still turfs and many call

02:07:40.200 themselves that in an ironic way because they're not radical feminists right right they're just

02:07:45.580 owning the label owning the slur um but this next example this next example is from feb justin

02:07:53.260 february 2024 he said far-right politicians pick fights with trans kids shame on them this was

02:08:02.160 responding to alberta's parental rights policies on gender transition trudeau declared at a press

02:08:07.060 conference so far-right politicians pick fights with trans kids shame on them he framed the leader

02:08:13.000 of the opposition and any parent concerned about gender medicine for minors as targeting vulnerable

02:08:18.580 children characterizing an entire political movement as predatory towards children this

02:08:24.300 is certainly vilification at the very least coming from our own prime minister

02:08:29.020 absolutely it is um the very concept that any man could declare himself a woman is deeply

02:08:43.260 deeply offensive to any woman who's aware and any man who's aware and vice versa

02:08:49.480 Greg that if any woman can just say I'm a man it's it's offensive to men no you're not you

02:08:57.160 have no idea what it's like to be a man you don't know what it's like to grow up as a boy

02:09:03.080 and the kind of pressures on boys and young men you have no idea of any of this and vice versa

02:09:08.800 right yeah and you know back to sort of the absurdity of some of these things that they're

02:09:15.720 trying to police um with with c9 and with the kind of further enforcement of um preventing this

02:09:22.840 emotion of hatred it's like deeply held beliefs like you know forget religion let's like yeah i

02:09:29.480 have a deeply held belief that there's men and women and it's like to disagree with that to

02:09:33.920 have people gaslighting me to believe that that's not true you know to have uh you know children

02:09:39.960 being taught this and to expect people not to get angry to expect people not to feel a little bit

02:09:45.780 hateful of this going on you know

02:09:47.880 like it's

02:09:48.480 it's really

02:09:51.400 twisted that they

02:09:53.560 want to do this they want to try to police

02:09:55.940 people's emotions on something that's obviously

02:09:58.080 going to provoke all sorts of emotions

02:10:00.160 like what is a stronger

02:10:01.820 emotion of like you know

02:10:03.880 rage and fighting than like

02:10:06.020 the mother bear instinct

02:10:07.300 like get away from my cubs

02:10:09.540 you know you tranny freak

02:10:12.080 but you know I'm just saying

02:10:14.040 that as an example of

02:10:15.500 yeah it's a very real exactly right i agree and what what about uh the moral injury that occurs

02:10:25.180 when the state forces you to lie and say words that are not true and fly in the face of objective

02:10:33.100 reality like to call a man a woman and like isn't that like a tenet of western society

02:10:43.500 is that you don't lie.

02:10:47.560 Well, yeah, yeah.

02:10:49.080 I mean, it does get in,

02:10:50.540 you get in some really like,

02:10:52.780 what's the word?

02:10:54.000 Very profoundly deep stuff

02:10:58.020 when it's like two plus two equals five.

02:10:59.740 You need to say,

02:11:00.400 you need to say man is women.

02:11:02.600 You need to say this.

02:11:05.040 Yeah, totally twisted.

02:11:07.040 No, there is something there though.

02:11:08.380 I'll go on to this next example.

02:11:10.280 Prime Minister Justin Trudeau

02:11:13.620 Oh, this is after the Million March for Kids

02:11:16.080 the first time around

02:11:16.920 He condemned thousands of protesters

02:11:19.380 parents as promoting hate

02:11:21.380 So when hundreds of thousands of Canadians

02:11:24.540 including large numbers from Muslim and Sikh communities

02:11:27.680 participated in the One Million March for Children

02:11:30.360 to protest gender ideology in schools

02:11:32.600 Trudeau posted on social media

02:11:34.080 Transphobia, homophobia, and biphobia

02:11:37.580 have no place in this country

02:11:39.080 We strongly condemn this hate and its manifestations.

02:11:43.700 And, you know, when you get to control the conversation like that, you make it seem like, yeah, all these people are hateful and evil.

02:11:49.940 It's like, no, you're actually vilifying and demonizing concerned parents of all colors, of all stripes, because they're concerned about their children being indoctrinated with dangerous ideas.

02:12:02.900 Where they, hey, kid, chemically castrate yourself.

02:12:07.460 you know like this is um it's just so evil but um this is another kind of good example of

02:12:14.740 justin trudeau participating in this

02:12:16.560 do you remember that uh when did you first kind of come come into being more of an activist big

02:12:24.820 dragon energy were you around for the uh that first million march for children in 2023 in fact

02:12:30.760 I think, I think I walked with you, walked and talked with you at the second one, but I was at them both. And I first got involved when Jordan Peterson put out those, that first series of videos in what, 2016, when it was when Bill C-16 was going through Parliament.

02:12:58.900 and um i got really interested in it because he was taking the tack of the compelled speech angle

02:13:09.780 and that was very important to me that you know and the the the argument that he made is like oh

02:13:16.580 yeah sure we we already have hate speech laws in this country um we've all sort of accepted them

02:13:24.160 to one degree or another. The bar is very high to meet the test of hate speech, so it doesn't

02:13:33.240 often get tested in court. So the status quo has been okay, not optimal. But he said, when we get

02:13:41.700 into Bill C-16 and you make me, in my place of work, use preferred pronouns that do not adhere

02:13:53.380 to objective reality, that, and on pain of, you know, punishment, that becomes compelled speech

02:14:00.820 and we are crossing a red line and we're going directly into totalitarianism. And so that got my

02:14:08.340 interest. And then once I started going down that rabbit hole, I realized that of the transing of

02:14:17.240 children. And I started looking into that and I went, okay, this can be the hill that I die on

02:14:23.540 because, you know, vulnerable children are being harmed. And then of course, it led me to the

02:14:31.460 women's issue of what exactly is going to happen to our charter guaranteed sex-based protections

02:14:41.780 which means that we get sex segregated spaces for obvious reasons that we all understand

02:14:48.340 that men don't want women in their private spaces where they're in states of undress or vulnerable

02:14:55.700 because they're ill or whatever. And women don't either. And women are at great risk when men

02:15:03.400 breach that boundary. So that, yeah, so that's, and then we started, and then Yaniv hit

02:15:10.120 Mr. Relax My Balls in 2019. And this C-16 came into force in 2017. And there were many

02:15:21.780 uh witnesses at the senate hearing sorry i'm just thinking jessica yaniv cannot wait for c9 to pass

02:15:30.620 she's gonna be on the phone every single day she's gonna be calling the eternal attorney general

02:15:34.940 every day can you charge this guy with hate speech yeah he's like he's like a he's black

02:15:40.080 or whatever like can you like charge him with hate speech please he's being he's hating on me

02:15:45.440 yeah those are the people who recognize their feelings to uh you know totally anyway and then

02:15:53.280 so that was the inciting incident uh for us to gather together uh first of all was 10 of us women

02:16:00.160 who got together and said you know we need a national organization of women to fight this

02:16:04.640 bullshit and it did it didn't exist so we said okay let's build it and that's that's where it

02:16:10.480 started in 2019 yeah that's a long long answer to your short question as me uh i just have a quick

02:16:19.180 question you sure you obviously have put a lot of thought into your messaging to like counter

02:16:25.300 arguments and uh you know just kind of like deflect your opposition do you believe that

02:16:35.420 our existing messaging from like our governments like for example like harms reduction or safe

02:16:43.600 supply or something like uh you know protecting trans or these sorts of messagings that they

02:16:52.840 create do you think that they're psychologically harmful and could fall under like some sort of

02:17:00.200 hate motivated crime that's a that's a really good question um

02:17:11.320 i think that when you have the regulating bodies behind you like we do with the canadian medical

02:17:18.600 association the pediatric association you know this the you know whatever guild of psychiatrists

02:17:26.520 and psychotherapists and whatever i think it's really hard to make that argument just like it

02:17:33.160 was during covid when the courts just deferred to the medical organizations and said well we're not

02:17:39.320 in any position to rule on this we just let we we follow the lead of the scientists and the

02:17:46.920 medical professionals did you have a follow-up to that wiretap

02:17:53.800 no no i it no i'm fine i yeah yeah no so this is another interesting uh article i found in terms

02:18:05.280 of like just the mess that c9 presents related to the lgb lgbtq stuff um this is in 2023 again

02:18:14.340 justin trudeau he was telling muslim parents that their own beliefs were quote american right-wing

02:18:21.000 disinformation so essentially uh i think this is in alberta actually and there was some like

02:18:29.100 muslim representative that said i ask you mr prime minister please protect our culture our belief

02:18:33.380 the sin that you are doing to them a member of the muslim community told trudeau and then trudeau

02:18:38.520 responded trudeau responded by saying uh yeah this is in calgary because muslim parents were

02:18:44.420 protesting lgbtq curriculum in the schools and trudeau told them there is an awful lot of

02:18:49.820 misinformation and disinformation out there people on social media particularly fueled by the american

02:18:54.740 right wing are spreading a lot of untruths about what is actually in the curriculum

02:18:59.400 wow so just trying to gaslight muslims to be like no no this isn't your actual belief

02:19:06.200 it was uh trump trump did this and that's just like that's just like a crazy like mix of different

02:19:13.320 um i mean is that detestation is that vilification that's sort that's sort of a weird like

02:19:19.160 detesting of the american right which is something that we brought up earlier and we might dive back

02:19:25.980 into which is kind of the response to charlie kirk the kind of like generic demonization of

02:19:32.540 trump every single day like that type of detestation and vilification i mean that's just

02:19:37.900 normal that's just like breathing uh as me did you want to jump jump in

02:19:42.440 yeah it just occurred to me that there is a very clear uh example of detestation that that happens

02:19:53.800 all the time and so many people uh in the sex realist community who are lesbian and gay

02:20:00.880 they absolutely despise the use of the word queer and the politicians have picked up that term just

02:20:10.760 like hot shit right and they just love throwing around that term and it's extremely hurtful and

02:20:18.800 painful especially to many older homosexuals who they were actually being called queer as somebody

02:20:25.460 was punching them in the face years ago you know it doesn't thankfully gay bashing doesn't happen

02:20:30.600 that often in Canada anymore but they're old enough to remember that right and and to hear

02:20:36.440 politicians say queer to me it's like what if the politicians suddenly started using the n-word

02:20:43.720 to to seem cool you know what i mean like to me it's kind of equivalent that's interesting that's

02:20:50.040 interesting i kind of like that idea a term that's kind of been politicized is seen as like a hurtful

02:20:55.160 slur to another group one one group thinks it uh yeah this is this isn't bad actually because

02:21:02.680 Really, part of the absurdity of the law is really that.

02:21:07.460 It's like, you know, people are going to have subjective experiences

02:21:10.560 about all sorts of different things, whether it's war,

02:21:13.840 whether it's like this, you know, this gender ideology

02:21:16.900 to a Christian perspective or even just a sex realist.

02:21:22.080 And I was also thinking, too, as you started speaking,

02:21:24.300 I thought you were going to go to this, but and this really applies.

02:21:28.940 This could really this could actually really be a dynamite argument,

02:21:31.440 potentially um no one is more hated than a gay who doesn't agree with the rest of the gays

02:21:41.360 a lesbian who doesn't agree with like the lesbian leftists a trans person who is like you know not

02:21:46.800 in line with what the leftists are supposed to believe or uh and there's probably another

02:21:51.800 example for when you're you know a you know a non-white person i was gonna say person of color

02:21:57.060 but i hate i hate giving that term uh you know credibility i think that's a stupid term um

02:22:05.980 i agree but yeah anytime like a non-white person has some sort of right-wing idea the leftists are

02:22:13.540 like they just they hate that person especially because it's like you're supposed to be

02:22:18.080 one of i one of our diverse warriors on the left it's like huh

02:22:23.200 yeah like like yeah you're you're off the plantation now but oh maybe you could even

02:22:30.540 use the term like uh like like what is it coon or whatever isn't there like a term for like

02:22:35.500 a black person yeah that the blacks use for other blacks who yeah who they think are

02:22:41.500 betraying them and by acting too white or something like that and then what was that natasha

02:22:49.300 the term is oreo oreo yeah very good uncle tom and yeah but or house house they call them a house

02:23:02.040 and words yeah yeah and then once again with the sort of social and cultural conditioning that's

02:23:07.580 at play well it's okay to demonize and vilify and attest these people because they don't have

02:23:13.680 the right political opinion um well we and also we've probably all heard it you know um i've heard

02:23:22.220 it many times that um conservative gays say it was harder to come out as a conservative than it

02:23:28.760 was to come out as a gay that's something right ah that's interesting because uh i think this is

02:23:36.180 before you got here as me but um one of the arguments that i think is worthy of bringing

02:23:40.800 forth to senators is to to clearly show them because because a lot of this hate legislation

02:23:47.360 hinges on this term identifiable group you know they're not saying that detesting and vilifying

02:23:54.120 a person is illegal they're saying if you detest or vilify an identifiable group but here's the

02:24:00.480 thing identifiable group does not consider political views this definition is 50 years old

02:24:07.760 it's before social media

02:24:10.120 it's before the Trump era it's before this like

02:24:12.060 totally toxic and now

02:24:14.260 violent you know

02:24:15.600 polarized political climate we now

02:24:18.280 have and it's like if you are a serious

02:24:20.480 legislator in 2026 and you want to

02:24:22.240 stop hate and you're going to have this

02:24:24.220 definition of the identifiable group that does

02:24:26.320 not include this then

02:24:28.380 like you're you're a jokester

02:24:30.360 you're a you're a jester

02:24:32.340 not that I want to fix

02:24:34.260 again I've said this before like not that I want

02:24:36.400 to fix this bill but but it's it's no it's more to just throw the whole thing out of like you

02:24:40.180 guys are clowns if you think this is going to work it's they're clueless they they live in their

02:24:46.340 little bubbles and they don't understand that and we all we all know this we all feel it this is the

02:24:56.260 most divisive culture that canada has ever had like you know environment um milieu that

02:25:06.380 that we've ever seen in canada ever like i'm old enough to remember when you just didn't know

02:25:14.060 how people were voting unless they were working for the party and if they wanted to put a sign

02:25:19.660 on their front lawn the the the ballot box was sacred it was secret and you didn't ask somebody

02:25:29.420 who they voted for like that was kind of like asking them what their salary was like it was

02:25:35.100 rude you wouldn't do it and and it was no and it was understood that people voted their conscience

02:25:41.820 it was deeply held beliefs and you had the right to vote however you wanted and conservatives and

02:25:49.020 and liberals and ndps mixed together in social circles and they might occasionally spar at a

02:25:57.660 dinner party over certain issues but it was all very civil your your friendships weren't contingent

02:26:06.320 on your political beliefs right exactly yeah um so uh this other example that's come up here

02:26:17.000 is when jordan peterson had to undergo re-education or lose his license it says here

02:26:23.240 that it was because of his tweets being critical of the gender ideology do you know if that's true

02:26:29.980 um yeah there were a couple of different ones he um i remember there was there was

02:26:39.000 there was there were those tweets there was the fact that he stated openly that he would not

02:26:47.020 use somebody's preferred pronouns he would not be compelled to do so that that he I believe he said

02:26:54.600 I will make that decision myself which pronouns I will use I will not be told by the university

02:27:03.080 how I will speak to people and then also I remember there was one big brouhaha when he

02:27:11.060 there was a Sports Illustrated cover and it was an obese woman and he he's he just he just remember

02:27:22.820 that he said something like no that's not beautiful or something like that it wasn't it wasn't even

02:27:28.600 like mean really and he got he got pilloried for that too so I think it was just like the

02:27:36.940 The grand total of him speaking his mind on social media, they did not like that because he didn't adhere to the ideology.

02:27:49.420 Absolutely. Absolutely.

02:27:52.900 I remember reading Identifiable Group and thinking, because it also says mental or physical disability.

02:27:59.440 I'm like, I wonder if being obese is a disability.

02:28:02.180 And then I also thought, man, if I get in trouble, I'm just going to say I have a mental

02:28:06.660 disability of being autistic.

02:28:08.600 That'll be my defense.

02:28:12.300 Not funny?

02:28:13.240 Okay.

02:28:13.820 Natasha, you got your hand up.

02:28:15.440 What's up?

02:28:18.020 I thought the autism joke was funny.

02:28:21.800 Thanks.

02:28:23.240 Yeah, you're welcome.

02:28:25.000 I was laughing, but I was muted.

02:28:26.700 um with the jordan peterson and with like i've done a i'm not a lawyer obviously but i've done

02:28:36.040 a bunch of interviews with different civil rights lawyers and with jordan peterson i think it was

02:28:43.720 the regulatory regime that got him and what a lot of canadians uh need to understand is that there's

02:28:52.540 like an entire kind of pseudo legal regulatory regime that will punish you

02:29:01.980 under these kind of vague vaguely legalistic things like

02:29:08.540 i i would have to look it up but it's like bringing the like the reputation of the uh

02:29:14.620 profession into like a negative light right so i think that's actually how they got him i don't

02:29:21.500 think it was anything like i i don't think he was sued i think was complaints towards his regulatory

02:29:28.940 body and so like the entire managerial regime is skewed towards uh creating certain outcomes

02:29:39.900 and we saw this during the covid regime like with doctors who were opposed to the covid regime

02:29:46.380 frequently there weren't even lawsuits it was just a regulatory thing like they would lose

02:29:50.860 their insurance or they would lose their license right so that to me is very scary um like pseudo

02:29:59.260 legal aspect and then of course like the human rights tribunals which are not courts but you can

02:30:06.220 still have an outcome of your life being destroyed by them you know what i mean like it's it's it's

02:30:12.620 very very scary it's not just like bills that are passed in parliament there's every single

02:30:18.220 mechanism if you're a professional will be oriented towards an outcome which is uh for the

02:30:27.020 leftist progressive like you know global homo whatever you want to call it like a marxist

02:30:33.140 outcome yeah yeah um it reminds me of a quote that uh from my documentary it's something jojo

02:30:41.520 ruba said it was now we have the most sensitive people in the room determining what you can and

02:30:49.060 cannot say and it's just terrifying we have these like you know super sensitive hysterical very

02:30:55.460 emotional very like in the worst cases like you know manipulative narcissists weaponizing their

02:31:02.280 emotions and hurt feelings to uh to punish people for just saying stuff that they don't like

02:31:08.680 um i do have the tweets in front of me here uh from jordan peterson and then i think as me you

02:31:16.660 just put your hand up but uh yeah it was um jordan peterson in response to elliot page

02:31:23.740 elliot page tweeted proud um and to introduce a trans character on a tv show and then peterson

02:31:30.960 wrote remember when pride was a sin question mark and ellen page just had her breasts removed by a

02:31:36.380 A criminal physician.

02:31:38.480 Spicy.

02:31:39.600 Man, I miss these spicy Peterson tweets.

02:31:43.120 Another one was, yeah, the Sports Illustrated, the Overweight Sports Illustrated.

02:31:48.480 He said, sorry, not beautiful.

02:31:50.740 And no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going to change that.

02:31:53.900 As if, how ironic is that?

02:31:56.360 That the regulatory board identified that tweet, which mentions authoritarian tolerance as something they didn't like.

02:32:05.120 the irony is insane

02:32:07.280 and I believe they actually

02:32:09.580 just got him in trouble for just

02:32:11.600 retweeting Polyev

02:32:12.780 which is ridiculous

02:32:15.000 he also tweeted that there

02:32:19.600 is no culture of Nazism or white supremacy

02:32:21.640 in Canada

02:32:22.300 I think

02:32:24.660 something to do with the freedom convoy

02:32:27.560 anyway

02:32:29.480 but yeah that's a pretty good

02:32:31.500 example of just like someone getting punished

02:32:33.520 for offensive things

02:32:35.080 um yeah as me did you want to jump in i am going to be wrapping it up here suit uh two folks because

02:32:44.660 i'm yeah getting hungry cool yeah um i just wanted to follow up on what natasha was saying

02:32:52.700 about the regulatory bodies and of course we're all familiar with the amy ham case amy is a very

02:32:59.940 good friend of mine um greg you may have interviewed her i'm not sure tried to set that up but um

02:33:07.380 she of course is the was the is is the nurse in um bc who because she speaks out on her own time

02:33:17.620 on social media and is a journalist and writes about women's sex-based rights um was hauled up

02:33:25.060 on the carpet by the bc college of nurses and midwives and um it was a five-year ordeal

02:33:34.580 uh basically a star chamber and it was the most ridiculous thing i i attended by zoom most most

02:33:43.620 of the hearings but it dragged on over five years and she was um fired from her job and

02:33:52.020 And she was dropped, recently dropped by her union.

02:33:57.140 They won't represent her.

02:34:00.200 And for the luxury of going through all that, she was handed like a $95,000 bill for costs.

02:34:11.280 So, but she continues to fight.

02:34:13.040 She's also got a couple of, she's fighting fire with fire.

02:34:18.480 she's going back and um charging i think both the college and her employer with uh discrimination

02:34:29.440 on the basis of political belief so and she's she's not stopping it's gonna keep fighting it

02:34:36.320 she's she's amazing so so yes the the regulatory bodies in this country are out of control it is

02:34:47.760 i think you used the word terrifying greg it is terrifying because anybody if you if you work in

02:34:53.040 a regulated profession you gotta stay in line or risk your livelihood that's totalitarian

02:35:05.040 yeah yeah and it's not even like radical it's like hey uh you're a guy you're not a woman

02:35:14.640 you know like that was that's pretty well the amount like that was her sin that was that was

02:35:20.820 her her huge uh punishable offense that's like made her life hell for half a decade it's um

02:35:28.540 saying yeah i don't think trans women are women actually also i'm a nurse so you know how biology

02:35:36.340 works is kind of important no her story is is wild uh i definitely hope and that and that was

02:35:43.620 some point. Yeah. That was part of the complaint against her is, uh, was something to the effect

02:35:50.320 of denigrating trans people while identifying herself as a nurse, which brought disrepute

02:35:57.160 to the profession. That's what the accusations. Yeah. Yeah. There's that. So there's actually

02:36:04.380 a term I, I, uh, this morning I interviewed a, um, a lawyer from the UK who's part of this group

02:36:12.600 called christian concern and i was hearing just a lot of the stories of you know the silent prayers

02:36:17.600 being persecuted for silently praying outside of abortion clinics and all this and he used this term

02:36:23.520 polite persecution um and that's a really good summary of uh what's happening in canada you know

02:36:33.240 it's like it's not necessarily overt it's like it's not like super obvious to the public

02:36:40.940 but it's you know it's politely being like hey you're being disciplined hey we're taking your

02:36:46.760 job away hey uh we're not going to call you like a big stupid evil dumb dumb man but you know in

02:36:52.980 so many words in so many words like the pundits and you know the trolls on twitter uh people are

02:36:59.800 going to hate your guts but uh you know it's not like this horrible authoritarian crackdown it is

02:37:05.860 very polite this very sort of like professional like you know crossing the i's dotting the t's

02:37:11.780 um here's your formal you know here's your formal cancel culture um package you know your life's

02:37:20.040 over uh no one's gonna like you ever again andy hate wrote an article about you um people think

02:37:26.080 you're terrible we didn't like technically technically lie but essentially we're just kind

02:37:30.000 of you know building this big case about how you're a horrible person for having uh having

02:37:35.000 the wrong political opinion so uh yeah and oh and by the way um trying to beat this in court

02:37:42.140 is going to take years and hundreds of thousands of dollars so good luck with that it's horrible

02:37:48.120 um i think we might end on that really thanks so much for coming out if anybody else if you guys

02:37:57.680 want to chime in if you have a mic if you want to say anything before we go then by all means

02:38:01.640 I'll probably just wrap it up now.

02:38:03.960 But the goal, did anybody else want to say anything?

02:38:06.800 I'll probably wrap it up.

02:38:09.420 Nope.

02:38:10.820 Okay.

02:38:12.180 I just wanted to quickly say, because I came in after you'd finished talking about the religious

02:38:21.760 aspect of C9, is that I have been saying for probably around 20 years,

02:38:31.640 i am not sure well i mean okay it's a rhetorical question i think we all know why um uh imams and

02:38:41.240 mosques are not charged with a crime because it is what they say on a regular basis is can is

02:38:50.520 clearly incitement to violence and that i think that we already have laws in place to cover that

02:38:59.960 we don't need c9 i i am all for free speech if somebody wants to say unkind nasty things that's

02:39:07.560 fine just grow a skin and get a backbone and know who you are if you know who you are and you know

02:39:15.560 it's untrue then it's not going to touch you and you shouldn't pay attention to it but clear

02:39:21.640 incitement to violence i think we can all agree that that's in the criminal code and it should

02:39:26.680 stay in the criminal code and it should be people should be charged with a crime when they when they

02:39:31.960 do stuff like that and so that's where i am at and as a catholic lifelong and went through catholic

02:39:37.720 school i can tell you i have never once heard anything from the pulpit that was remotely

02:39:45.240 violent or hateful in school or in church so um and because that's not that's not what the modern

02:39:57.540 church is all about maybe you know in the books there is some stuff that is not kind or not nice

02:40:04.760 or occasionally violent but that's no longer relied upon and we all we all understand that

02:40:11.400 that is not it's it's not what we want to it's not the messaging that we want so it gets set

02:40:20.840 aside but like as natasha said i believe and i agree islam has not had a reformation and there

02:40:29.820 in lies the problem yeah the only the only issue with that is that you know this is kind of the

02:40:36.880 whole crux of the issue because you can go into every

02:40:38.900 religious text and find

02:40:40.940 things that are demonizing

02:40:42.940 probably even calling to the death of groups

02:40:44.800 of people

02:40:45.340 so it's kind of like the same thing across the

02:40:48.860 board and you know

02:40:51.000 and I would counter

02:40:52.920 that to say like okay

02:40:54.040 we can't have these people calling

02:40:56.800 for the death of people that would be the same

02:40:58.720 argument of like well you can't say that

02:41:00.620 you know homosexuality is

02:41:02.760 blasphemous and like both of those things

02:41:04.800 should be criminalized you know like

02:41:06.760 of it. And there's really kind of like, like no end to that. That being said, you know, if,

02:41:11.520 if there is like an explicit, like, you know, someone in a mock saying like, we, we must

02:41:16.460 kill this group of people. I don't know. Like, is that what they're saying? Like that? Maybe that

02:41:22.820 is a case. Natasha knows more about it, but there's a website called Emory, E-M-R-I. And

02:41:31.880 And they document all of these instances where Imams are are telling their congregants to be violent towards people.

02:41:44.360 Interesting. Interesting. Maybe we should just make it apply to Muslims then.

02:41:53.800 But hey, I just want it fairly. I just want it fairly. You know, I want I want the law fairly applied across the board. I don't think anybody should be inciting violence against anybody.

02:42:05.900 yeah yeah um no well it is interesting it is interesting that of all the verses you could

02:42:16.760 choose to pick it's like huh you seem to be picking this one about killing your enemies

02:42:21.900 violently every single week is that is that what you do every week uh mr imam but um but yeah i

02:42:30.140 just i i don't know these specific examples i'd have to look them up i do remember when i first

02:42:34.600 came into politics that i was like her uh there was the danforth shooting and there was like a

02:42:40.360 a mosque down the street that apparently was doing these like violent prayers talking about

02:42:45.640 this type of stuff but um i will give you 15 to 30 seconds natasha i do want to wrap it up here

02:42:54.040 but you got your hand up what's up yeah i know it's just a it's a middle east media research

02:43:01.200 institute memory and yeah esme is right like it's a fool's errand if uh conservatives and

02:43:09.280 christians are running interference for people who want to conquer us like grow up learn that

02:43:15.000 learn what's happening um in those communities and understand 1400 years of conquest that's what

02:43:23.200 i would say in that regard and understand that there are people that come in in large numbers

02:43:28.360 who think that we're weak and soft and they will absolutely use our laws against us

02:43:34.380 and make us have to, I guess, injure subjugation under new laws

02:43:43.320 because our managerial regime will not deal with them.

02:43:47.880 So that's what I would encourage people to do your own research and reading.

02:43:54.020 yeah yeah um all right thanks so much everybody for coming out natasha esme wiretap thanks so

02:44:04.380 much for coming out to the space uh the goal for me is you know the senate is not back in

02:44:12.100 for a couple weeks and in that time i'm gonna take the documentary i've made and make a mini

02:44:17.680 documentary focused on c9 take some of these arguments and try to make the best possible

02:44:22.160 argument to a senator to say hey um this is absurd we cannot let c9 pass it would be a total mess

02:44:29.780 um if you're on youtube and you're watching i did leave a link to uh i think it's the the ccf

02:44:37.420 let's see if i can find it the ccf.ca slash vote no to bill c9 guys couldn't you just make the url

02:44:50.540 c9 anyway um but if you want that they have a they have an automated thing to to send a letter

02:44:57.280 to your senator uh that's the ccf.ca slash vote no to bill c9 because yeah we listen you know

02:45:07.420 there's still hope there's still hope to stop this it's on the senate and um yeah i'm gonna do

02:45:14.500 everything i can in the time that i have to uh try to turn this around with the most compelling

02:45:19.320 mini doc that i can if you want to help me because i am hiring editors to help me then please go to

02:45:25.200 give send go.com slash save free speech send a donation it'll help uh it'll help with the

02:45:33.900 resources i need to help turn this around uh in time because you know more money means i can pay

02:45:39.720 more people to help with the editing so yeah but uh thanks again for coming out guys and until next

02:45:45.780 time you'll probably be hearing me talk about c9 because uh yeah that is that is the fight right

02:45:51.760 now there is going to be the online harms act just around the corner but right now it's uh

02:45:56.660 there's still a lot of stink to be made about c9 because c9 is really the groundwork for um

02:46:02.440 like stuff they just want to layer on because like really c9 lowers the threshold of criminalizing

02:46:09.460 speech and they want to have people scouring the internet with the online harms act so if you have

02:46:17.140 c9 in place then you can more easily just take a tweet criminalize it uh but yeah so c9 is really

02:46:24.300 kind of the foundation of of what they want to build up in this sort of authoritarian nightmare

02:46:29.280 that they're trying to build in my opinion anyway thanks for coming out guys talk to you later cheers

02:46:35.240 all right youtube thanks for tuning in oh my god we did it i am exhausted i'm hungry thanks for

02:46:45.480 tuning in um yeah gifs.com slash safe free speech yada yada yada we're gonna talk to you soon

02:46:52.600 peace out thanks for watching love you all and have a great weekend

02:46:58.700 have a great weekend until next time we'll see you later

02:47:05.240 oh my gosh i'm hungry bro oh my gosh i'm hungry bro

Greg Wycliffe - March 28, 2026

The Hate that's Willfully promoted by Canadian Institutions

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