you have to do it yourself
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Summary
In this episode, we sit down with the founder of the Freedom Convoy, Adopt a Trucker, a group dedicated to fighting against the Conservative Party of Canada, Max Bernier. We talk about his journey into politics, how he got started in politics, and what he thinks about the current state of the party.
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You know, ever since I joined politics, I always noticed I would go to, I really got into it with
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the PPC in 2019. And, you know, there'd be the pub nights and we chit chat. And I always realized
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that most of the time the pubs would kind of descend into, this is the ideal society. No,
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this is the ideal system. No, this is the idea. And I realized, well, this has nothing to do with
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people who think like us actually getting power. Like, what is the actual, like, that's great.
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We could talk for days and we could actually be in the gulags talking about what's best.
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Well, this is the most ideal system. But when it comes down to it, I just try to avoid those
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conversations and say, well, what can we actually do practically to solve this problem? I really
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like the point that Adopt a Trucker brought up about how important the media is. Someone mentioned
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about, mentioned debates, how important debates are. But at the end of the day, it's going to take
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work. And people don't want to hear that. It's going to take work. It's going to take a long-term
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plan. But I think the Trucker Convoy kind of has, is a good sort of like small example.
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What I realized early on in politics as well is if you want something to happen,
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you have to do it yourself. And I would even add, like, you know, I'd love, like, we could have this
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conversation another time, but I'm sure Adopt a Trucker, you did a lot of your own personal
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efforts. I don't think the Conservative Party helped you. I don't think, you know, I think you
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did it yourself with that community. And the Freedom Convoy was another representative of that.
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Canadians helping other Canadians. And I think why it worked and why it was this beautiful thing
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is because it was a simple, simple goal. Go to Ottawa, protest mandates. That's something that
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everyone understood. Didn't even, didn't have to be people that even knew each other, but we all knew
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intuitively that that's what the goal was. And we all worked together towards that end and we did
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it ourselves. We didn't have organizations set up by any means when it all started. Sure. We made
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connections and like kind of made systems ourselves as we went along, but it worked because we, we had
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that, uh, that common goal against the establishment. Um, and you know, we need better media and
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unfortunately, uh, you know, our bigger right-wing outlets, rebel news, true North, they kind of just
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prop up Pierre Polyev. They do great work. Don't get me wrong, but that they kind of just prop up,
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um, Polyev and Tim, Tim, you were saying that, you know, you want to debate and it's true, you know,
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but here's the thing. There's no debate going on with the liberal party. There's no debate going on,
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on the concert, uh, on the, you know, uh, CBC or any mainstream media, but you don't even get a debate
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with Pierre Polyev. You know, like there is no conversation to be had in the conservative party of
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Canada. And we saw example after example of this during COVID, during lockdowns and during the
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convoy, Randy Hillier got kicked out of the party for speaking his mind. Derek Sloan got kicked out
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of the conservative party for speaking his mind. And there's a few other examples of this. So,
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you know, I heard the strategy earlier of like, we just got to keep influencing the CPC. We got to
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keep influencing Pierre Polyev. Here's the thing. It is so easy for someone who works for the
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conservative party to give you lip service and be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear you.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're influencing us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We totally hear your concerns at the end
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of the day though. I think, I think you guys underestimate how old and rotten the conservative
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party of Canada is. This is like a very, very old institution and it is festering. It's got mold
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that we've never even science scientists have never even seen the mold on this festering wood of the
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rotten liberal party, conservative party. It's been there for so long. The best way to influence
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the conservative party is to cause them pain. And the best way to cause them pain
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is to pick up a PPC flag. I know that people don't want to hear that, but this is the truth.
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And don't get me wrong. There are people were bringing up criticisms of Max Bernier and the
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people's party of Canada. And I tend to agree that there are a lot of, a lot of room for improvement.
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But like I said earlier, remember what I said at the beginning, you know, it's going to take work.
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It's going to take people uniting together and you know, the trucker convoy wasn't perfect,
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but we made it work and sure there's weaknesses with the PPC. For example, let's face it. The
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conservative party is, is as much as I despise their subversion and how they don't really tell
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the truth. And they, they're crushing it when it comes to clever messaging and propaganda to speak
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to frustrated Canadians. And it's unfortunate because it's like, man, I really wish the PPC was
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better at consistently tapping into that. However, there's a lot of strengths and opportunities with
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the PPC as well. They are grassroots and that means pretty well anyone can participate. They can,
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you can show up and take the wheel, especially in your local area and start to make stuff happen.
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And, you know, people will say, well, Max isn't the best. The messaging could be better. And like I
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said, I tend to agree, but you, you know, you can start taking up the PPC banner and saying what you
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want. And I'm sure it'll probably align with, uh, with the party. And as I said, cause pain to the,
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to the conservatives because you're not kind of just blindly following them. Um, but yeah, I mean,
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at the end of the day, politics is winning hearts and minds and, and moving a large group of people
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in the same direction. Um, I don't think the conservative party has our best interest in mind,
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not by a long shot. I think we've seen that since the convoy and yeah, as I said, the PPC isn't
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perfect, but in terms of the situation right now, that is at least a platform that's going to cause
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pain to the conservative party of Canada and, um, help them move in the right direction.
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And, you know, there are other opportunities, organizations that I encourage people to grow
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and build and be a part of, but you know, we need to stay solution oriented because I think it's very
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easy to kind of just sit around on the couch and shit on the PPC and Max Bernier for not being good
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enough. But at the end of the day, like we need to look for viable solutions. And that includes,
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uh, for better or for worse, you know, getting to work and, and, and doing it ourselves.
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It was very good. Great. Thank you very much, Greg. That was a good wrap up. And I really enjoyed