House Arrest - House Arrest with Chris & Tamara

00:00:00.000 all right hey everybody we are officially live

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00:00:47.960 guess you can see us hi guys welcome okay we do have a special guest that's going to join hang on

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00:01:01.560 can you hear us tom i i can um

00:01:09.560 great to see all you guys hi saskatoon that's where i was born i'm missing the comments this is

00:01:14.840 incredible tom yeah this is honestly actually the first time tom and i have well seen each other

00:01:21.880 we've been able to text again now but this is the first time we've been able to see each other since

00:01:26.120 my condition came off wow so good to see you tom thanks for coming on yeah no thanks i i hope you

00:01:32.760 welcome the house arrest with chris and tamara are we calling it that we should call it that

00:01:39.560 you should call it house actually it's it's a kinder gentler justice system now so now we call

00:01:44.600 it community incarceration yes how do we see the comments here how do we see the comments oh there

00:01:53.480 we are okay i'm trying to minor up yeah oh you guys look at this there's so many people here

00:01:58.600 already oh this is awesome yeah well we have this brainstorm yeah i can hear you okay good

00:02:05.480 okay i want everybody to know this is the first time we've done this so we're streaming on all

00:02:10.680 the platforms we can right now we'll add more to it tamara was the one that set up this stream yard

00:02:15.480 and uh here we are we're all together again we hope to have a lot of guests so tom yeah

00:02:21.480 yes we've been talking about this since the uh the poec where we talked about

00:02:27.160 this and maybe doing a road show across the country like we've been talking about doing

00:02:32.600 this for a long time uh but of course with the bill conditions that you've got or had tamara

00:02:39.160 we couldn't and of course um after what happened at the jccf dinner obviously uh everybody was hyper

00:02:47.800 uh nervous terrified really do you want to read on that for the ones that don't know what the jc

00:02:53.160 yeah yeah so so here okay when we talk about political vendettas and prosecutions um

00:03:00.840 Um, man, you guys got, the two of you have a very long list of, uh, uh, political prosecutions,

00:03:08.560 let's say, but for, for people that don't know the full story, Tamara, you were the recipient

00:03:15.260 of the 2022 George Jonas Freedom Award.

00:03:19.920 Okay.

00:03:20.880 Your bail condition said somehow I landed on your bail conditions, me and Danny Bulford.

00:03:26.560 we were not allowed to have contact with you unless in the presence of legal counsel george

00:03:34.000 jonas freedom award was hosted by the jccf our law firm the guy sitting at our table was the head of

00:03:43.040 the jccf right behind tamara was her criminal defense uh legal team all of them every lawyer

00:03:50.480 that we that represents all of tamara's cases plus mine and and like everybody was there the

00:03:57.440 whole room was full of lawyers and yet the bail conditions were never breached we appeared in a

00:04:04.640 photo okay which the person who posted the photo you know not here nor there but was told not to

00:04:13.840 post that on social media and they used that photo because there wasn't a lawyer in the photo and i

00:04:19.520 remember the lawyer was standing right behind the person taking the picture right behind saying yeah

00:04:25.280 saying hey don't don't post that right yeah i think john carpe was the one that took the photo

00:04:30.800 and uh hakim i think his name was and i can't remember the other gentleman's name from the jccf

00:04:35.840 were like literally standing right beside you off camera yeah and you know the worst part is like

00:04:41.760 we we did that more as a time capsule uh type of a photograph not to be shared on uh you know

00:04:49.120 social media that wasn't the point and there was no gloating or anything like that to you know to

00:04:54.000 the crown attorney but it was like we're just doing this for it's it's a time capsule moment

00:04:59.920 i mean you're getting the george jonas freedom award right and i wasn't the only person in the

00:05:03.920 photo there was a whole bunch of people in the photo and i so i think it was really quite unfair

00:05:10.080 and disgusting that the number of police i've talked to that have said they never ever ever

00:05:16.400 issue a canada-wide warrant for rapists and sometimes not even murderers but we're gonna 0.78

00:05:23.200 send two homicide detectives from ottawa to apprehend you in your home fly you in shackles

00:05:29.040 put you in remand for 25 days 24 nights because you were in a photograph and your lawyer was

00:05:37.360 outside the uh the image like this is talk about political prosecution so yeah like it's vicious

00:05:45.520 yeah thanks to tamara's book that we didn't have to deal with that crime prosecutor when it came

00:05:49.520 to our trial thing thank you it's so true yeah he uh recused himself after and actually the

00:05:57.520 funniest thing about i read a i read an article in which he was quoted where he said he recused

00:06:02.800 himself from our case after reading my book in which his name was mentioned 60 times some of

00:06:08.640 them defamatory i'm like hold my beer dude and if anybody anybody wants to see the viciousness of

00:06:15.920 this person he was the one behind the bail hearing for tamara leach where my 4200 pages of cell phone

00:06:22.640 evidence that the crown collected accidentally handed it off to mainstream media journalists

00:06:28.160 on a thursday afternoon of a long weekend before we could get in on a monday to put a freezing

00:06:32.000 order on yeah like in in what world does somebody go and get your personal text messages and then

00:06:39.440 give them to the media like i in my view i don't understand how he wasn't disbarred

00:06:48.320 yeah exactly exactly but this is ottawa right this is the center of the universe

00:06:53.760 there's a lot of who knew we would ever have so many lawyers in our lives hey

00:06:57.600 yeah watching the comments here and there's a lot of people from all across this beautiful

00:07:02.940 country wow so many from quebec i see so many friendly names on here yeah yeah i'm starting

00:07:12.780 french lessons next week did you see that yeah yeah i started after i got home from jail the

00:07:19.800 first time which is still really weird for me to say but um uh of course so we just got busy and

00:07:25.940 and put it off but now i have some time on my hands so yeah very important to me yeah yeah

00:07:33.220 i um you know i'm gonna be in uh we're flying out to regina nova uh saskatchewan tomorrow

00:07:40.820 uh and i was supposed to see both of you uh but it seems it seems like the crown had uh

00:07:47.860 or the the judge had other other ideas about that but it would have been really nice to to be able

00:07:52.980 to see you guys uh in person uh because i think the last time all of us were no uh because we

00:08:00.480 were together on the first day of your trial and then on sentencing not not sentence um

00:08:06.780 when they when they read the verdict we were all in ottawa together um but we yeah i mean it's

00:08:13.840 really difficult but tamara you know before all this you had been in the niagara region quite a

00:08:18.140 bit um with that awesome crew that's in niagara and yes you know people are you know all these

00:08:24.680 events all these fundraisers because that's something that i don't think a lot of people

00:08:28.060 understand is is how much time and energy and effort you've put going across the country doing

00:08:34.640 fundraisers for other people's legal uh troubles you know chris you had a phenomenal uh you know

00:08:43.020 fundraiser what a year and a half ago in swift current uh we were all there the three of us

00:08:48.220 were there with lawyers with lots of lawyers we were the lawyers were chasing us around the

00:08:55.500 building making sure that nobody was together this is canada people this is canada yeah yeah

00:09:02.060 you know and i remember at the at the poec there was um you know because tamara you lived with eva

00:09:09.500 and I lived with Keith and we were like insanely paranoid about you know even being left alone in

00:09:18.540 the the office apartment type of thing together right but there's a funny story that happened

00:09:24.360 when I was there for your convictions where I went to the bathroom I come back and there was

00:09:32.220 a cop standing in the middle of the Swiss and you there and I went running out the side door 0.95

00:09:37.240 because you can't trust it you can't trust the system right like they'll come up with a way to

00:09:44.520 do a bail breach um yes and you know it puts you they tried to throw me back in jail just over the

00:09:50.900 over a pendant so i mean they were definitely remember they showed up that one time because

00:09:56.460 somebody reported me for standing outside smoking a cigarette and three sergeants three sergeants

00:10:02.560 showed up in three suvs um so yeah that was uh it was i guess that's the thing that that part is

00:10:12.440 over with now at least right yeah yeah i see a lot of comments about big red's fate in the

00:10:17.700 comment section here so we'll just address that quickly uh the next forfeiture ring for red is

00:10:22.840 on november 26th i'm allowed to attend virtually we had a bit of complication that we were we added

00:10:29.660 a bit of complicatedness to the ordeal there when we introduced my son as a 50-50 owner of the

00:10:35.400 company and so therefore holding a stake in Big Red's ownership as well as my parents who when

00:10:41.180 we bought Jonathan's truck a few years ago obviously with 300 million dollars in lawsuits

00:10:45.520 on my tail and facing criminal charges in jail and prison it's really hard to secure it alone

00:10:50.620 for a truck and so my parents were gracious enough to to sell me that I sold them Big Red

00:10:56.900 and then I was able to purchase Jonathan's truck

00:11:01.200 so I could have two trucks working.

00:11:02.520 And the deal was they purchased Big Red.

00:11:04.940 I could then keep at least none of the company.

00:11:06.880 So the Crown then had to send forfeiture notices

00:11:10.440 to my parents and to my son and to the company.

00:11:13.580 And so it has been a long legal battle.

00:11:15.860 It will draw out for quite some time.

00:11:17.920 It's never happened in Canadian history before

00:11:19.840 when one province has tried to forfeit

00:11:22.840 a piece of equipment or property from another province,

00:11:26.120 especially four years after the alleged incident so if you can spell lawfare it's it

00:11:32.820 yeah and don't forget in in the hearing uh the crown prosecutor basically said flat out that

00:11:40.480 if this fails they are going to pursue jurisdiction in saskatchewan and all other

00:11:46.400 legal avenues i mean they made it pretty clear in that hearing that they were not going to stop

00:11:50.300 um this law fair no matter how yeah it's unbelievable and and this is the thing that

00:11:58.240 i learned through your case is that typically and then you know brendan miller our lawyer from the

00:12:04.200 poec and i think now brendan is on your case for the forfeiture uh you know brendan miller

00:12:10.700 yeah who for those who don't know is it's amazing there's danny finally

00:12:15.840 We're venturing into law talking about, uh, how, how, how screwed up our legal system

00:12:30.540 is, but what was just saying, usually when the government pursues a forfeiture order,

00:12:37.080 they already have possession of the property that they want to forfeit.

00:12:40.340 Yes.

00:12:41.340 And in, in, in Chris's case, they never seized big red, like they don't have control of big

00:12:45.780 red big red is you know work used for work and they're trying to go after it even though they

00:12:51.040 don't have it in their possession it's pretty bizarre and disgusting yes it's it's uh and the

00:12:57.980 the judge actually said that at the beginning of her sentencing too that she will not have her

00:13:01.640 courtroom used for political purposes and then see on the 26th of november kind of thing so

00:13:08.120 we'll see where it plays out there's a long battle ahead and unfortunately uh it's costing my parents

00:13:12.920 quite a bit of money in legal fees right now but uh we'll figure this out in in the end and and

00:13:17.920 when i buy a big red back eventually some year then i'll have to just add that bill onto the

00:13:21.800 top of it so she's an expensive truck yeah danny how are you i'm good i just i got a little bit

00:13:31.840 of time in between hauling loads of grain so figured i saw that you guys were starting at

00:13:37.900 six and it was like just after that so i was like okay i got about a 20 minute window where i can

00:13:43.180 jump in and say hello good oh that's fantastic this is really a kind of special moment we can

00:13:50.140 hear you yeah we can hear you danny yeah yeah like i said i had conditions against these two

00:13:57.260 well and chris for a long time we managed to get that dropped a year ago may but i still

00:14:02.380 had no contact orders with mom and danny okay there's just a little bit of a delay for me oh

00:14:10.940 okay that's fine well if you don't have much time danny why don't you give us uh just all

00:14:16.700 an update on what you've been doing for the last three and a half years you were in ottawa you

00:14:21.660 were living in ottawa during the convoy and now you're in alberta

00:14:25.660 yeah just yeah just i lived just outside of ottawa in a little town called russell

00:14:34.880 we were there for nine years we i think i lived there and worked as an rcmp officer for eight

00:14:43.140 years there after working in the yukon but um we were there for almost a year after well i guess

00:14:51.360 we left after the we basically moved right after the poec in uh like right at the end of november

00:14:59.900 2022 we came back to alberta where my wife and i are both from uh back to the area where our

00:15:08.800 families are we went traveling with our kids for about six months we went to costa rica for four

00:15:16.400 months a bunch of families that we knew from the ottawa area had sold everything and moved down

00:15:21.920 there so we went to go visit them and then we went to florida to visit some other friends who

00:15:28.320 sold their business and their home in ottawa and moved down to florida and then we went back to

00:15:34.880 the ottawa valley to visit like the people that were still close with there and then we officially

00:15:42.800 moved back to alberta like for good for good in september 2023 and ever since then i've been

00:15:53.920 farming with my father-in-law my brother-in-law and when i'm not farming i've been picking up

00:16:01.520 different security contract work when the farm is a little bit slower that's good

00:16:07.200 we made it up there last summer i believe it was we made it up the deer uh beaver lodge and

00:16:12.400 were able to spend the evening with with danny and his family and a couple people drove down

00:16:16.080 from fort st john bc it was it was one amazing evening i had a lot of fun

00:16:23.440 yeah you didn't have the same conditions that i had yeah where uh our house is still in

00:16:28.240 rental mode initially he did but then they were dropped or he got that no contact with me removed

00:16:42.060 right before burns fundraiser in fort st john right it was yes right yeah yeah that's right

00:16:49.340 exactly

00:16:50.780 we were talking about earlier like hey i think we have enough to talk about in an hour right

00:16:57.960 well i think we have enough to talk about in a lifetime after our experiences for the last four

00:17:01.880 years holy crap yes we sure do well i think this is going to be a really good opportunity

00:17:09.240 um for us to get together on a regular basis i sure hope that you guys will i think we have an

00:17:15.600 amazing story to tell um that that that Canada a lot of it Canada doesn't know about and so

00:17:23.360 I mean I'm really I'm really excited about this obviously uh Chris and I have a lot of a lot of

00:17:28.400 time on our hands so they may they may end up they may end up regretting this decision actually

00:17:34.160 yeah I spent in the hot shot truck today I took I went out to Mini Barry's Alberta for a header

00:17:41.440 and one of my semis went out in the pilot truck

00:17:44.300 and we did a combine and a 45-foot header back to Swift Current today.

00:17:47.920 It was good to get out of the, as much as I love my farm,

00:17:51.040 I'm on a big family farm here, so I have the opportunity to roam around

00:17:55.280 and mow some grass and work in the shop and spend some time with the kids.

00:17:58.620 My daughter's sitting on the couch watching TV here.

00:18:00.660 My son will be home in a couple hours.

00:18:02.220 It's been actually really nice, but it was amazing to jump in the pickup today.

00:18:06.660 Monday, I think it'll be Big Red.

00:18:07.940 i'll go to saskatoon for a tractor and then i can can't wait

00:18:15.780 i know i i really appreciated that long drive back across canada now that i won't be going

00:18:20.900 anywhere for a while it was good tamara and i and duane's spouses my father actually traveled

00:18:26.660 together back from ottawa and we uh we stopped each night we met some amazing people at almost

00:18:31.860 every stop somebody recognized this and uh yeah we traveled back together and it was good we both

00:18:38.180 knew when we hit swift current saskatchewan that we were going to be parting ways for the better

00:18:41.920 part of 12 months so yes yeah it's been a wild ride that's for sure i mean like i said who would

00:18:51.780 have known we would have had so many lawyers in our lives who would have known that that three

00:18:57.200 and a half years later this stuff would still be going on i mean it's it's it's surreal really

00:19:05.680 it is yeah it's been one hell of a ride and i think i think that the emotions kind of set in

00:19:10.480 after sentencing once we actually got home on saturday i think it kind of for me at least it

00:19:15.360 kind of leveled off and i i've spent the last few days just kind of open around the yard doing odd

00:19:20.080 jobs and tinkering getting some stuff done that i haven't got done in a long time but it's finally

00:19:24.880 like over for now it might not be over because the crown obviously has another three weeks to

00:19:30.240 decide whether they're going to appeal tamara myself we have the opportunity to appeal in

00:19:34.560 return i decided i was going to take a couple weeks just to think that over

00:19:40.560 yes yeah we have lots of time to decide on that and yeah i mean just to let the emotions i guess

00:19:47.680 calm down and make those decisions from you know a place of logic but yeah it's uh it's definitely

00:19:53.280 not over one way or another i mean remember we still all have a 300 million dollar lawsuit

00:19:57.760 hanging over our heads also so you know i i think um some of us are looking at being in

00:20:04.400 a courtroom for a good portion of the next decade quite possibly in some fashion

00:20:11.200 yeah i have to admit that that yeah yeah this is a happy podcast

00:20:16.800 i gotta say like i don't know how especially the two of you have gone through all the criminal

00:20:24.780 stuff like i know that the 290 300 million dollar lawsuit weighs heavily on all of the decisions

00:20:32.420 that i'm trying to make uh in my life like but having to deal with criminal charges on top of

00:20:40.460 that and then chris on top of that possibly losing big red but i saw in one of the comments

00:20:46.560 you should send them a toy truck of uh big red and say here you go take it go put it on your desk 0.97

00:20:52.000 they're dumbass yeah like that that that lawsuit in itself is um like it doesn't consume all my 0.95

00:21:01.760 thoughts or anything like that but it's it does have an impact on all the decisions that i'm i'm 0.98

00:21:06.080 trying to make in my life like i have to strategically determine and i'm i'm sure the

00:21:11.760 the rest of you and i know harold jonker like all of us right now there's only 20 of us named on it

00:21:18.640 but he's already promised or her stated uh the the lawyer is stated that um yeah there's a whole

00:21:26.160 bunch of placeholder jane and john does on the lawsuit that if he gets this thing certified

00:21:32.240 he's going to be expanding the list of people um but yeah like three and a half years just that

00:21:37.920 piece of the legal battle alone we're facing you know at one point it was up to 400 million

00:21:43.760 it's down to probably 305 uh but like that's a lot of money to be uh you know having to worry

00:21:51.280 about and i'm looking at it going if this goes through because it's happening in ottawa of all

00:21:57.360 places but if this goes through um you know i mean in in my early 50s um am i going to lose my army

00:22:08.800 pension you know are my wages going to be garnished for the rest of my life am i going to lose the one

00:22:14.000 and only asset that i have in my life which is my land um am i going to lose everything or what are

00:22:20.800 we all going to lose like this is this is scary right and i gotta say what's amazing to me

00:22:26.560 is we did that fundraiser uh back in the summer because we got nailed with that massive uh court

00:22:34.860 cost and the public responded and and helped us in nine hours 15 minutes we raised over twenty

00:22:42.880 thousand dollars to to defend ourselves in this uh vexatious class action lawsuit um so that's a

00:22:51.360 little bit it weighs on me a lot because i i'd like to get married but i have to i've actually

00:22:58.080 got to put the the calculation of paul champ into my marriage plans you know i'd like to do my will

00:23:04.660 but i have to put this guy's calculations into my will you know this is this is what it does 0.93

00:23:11.500 to your life and i can only imagine how that's compounded big time by the criminal crap that

00:23:15.700 you've had to endure Danny are you listed on that too yeah Danny's on it was on too there's some

00:23:22.440 yeah there's a lot of nervousness in the donor class because as you know most people know if

00:23:28.360 this goes forward you know anyone that donated $25 to the Freedom Convoy could be possibly be

00:23:33.280 added to the donor class on Paul Champ's lawsuit and then face the same ramifications so and I

00:23:38.180 want to remind everybody out there too that all four of us I'm the only one that had a truck in

00:23:42.480 downtown ottawa and i was directed by police there at the end of january i also removed that truck in

00:23:47.780 the early part of february under police direction i didn't blow a horn in the residential areas i

00:23:52.500 wasn't parked in the residential areas all we wanted and all we advocated for was peaceful

00:23:57.200 protest against our government and government overreach through the mandates

00:24:01.680 make it make sense yes can i say something i try to every day yeah go ahead danny

00:24:12.680 i don't mean to be mr black pill here

00:24:21.160 but everyone like we all

00:24:27.400 get i know i do anyway like it's still i still fall into the trap of getting upset when things

00:24:36.600 seem unfair unjust they don't make sense it's not based in truth or fact none of that matters

00:24:43.560 to these people they do not care about the truth they do not care about evidence they do not care

00:24:51.740 about the law they care about the public opinion how they can craft a narrative

00:24:59.700 just all they need is enough support for what they're doing to feel like they're justified in

00:25:07.280 doing whatever they want like the rule of law i hear i hear people say that over and over again

00:25:15.460 about how we're supposed to be a country of the rule of law and yes we are it says so in our

00:25:20.540 constitution but it has not existed in canada for a very long time probably way before covid it's

00:25:28.140 just now we're all of us are just way more obviously aware of it but and i don't i don't

00:25:37.060 know if i'm trying to make any like real solid point other than like i think we all need to

00:25:44.240 stop expecting that anything that makes sense is going to happen i mean like nothing makes

00:25:52.500 yes that's my new that's my new baseline expectation is that i don't expect anything

00:25:58.980 to make sense i don't expect anything to be lawful or you know i 100 corruption

00:26:09.460 and that i expect nothing but corruption from the current government governments i don't just

00:26:16.420 mean federal there's plenty of provincial governments in there too and i just i don't

00:26:24.740 i guess i my reason for saying this is because i don't want to spend the rest of my life

00:26:30.580 furious at the injustice because maybe this is a defeatist attitude but like i just feel like

00:26:39.540 it's beyond

00:26:43.060 anything I ever would have imagined

00:26:47.780 but the only way that I can stay sane is by just accepting the fact that our country is going to

00:26:58.920 continue to nosedive until it gets so bad that a mass amount of people will demand a change

00:27:05.900 accountability and i just don't think that i just don't think we have enough people that are even

00:27:10.680 paying attention yet like there's millions for sure there's millions of people that supported

00:27:15.320 the convoy and probably more but you know um who i think it's chris erickson i follow him on x i see

00:27:24.600 his stuff all the time he he co-hosted uh a space the other night for dan hartman and i just saw a

00:27:33.180 post of his earlier today where he said he had spoke he made a point of speaking with a number

00:27:41.360 of strangers at the grocery store about bill c8 and c9 like uh the the bills that are being passed

00:27:50.860 right now through the house are being pushed through the house of commons and he said none

00:27:56.980 of them had any idea what he was talking about no now granted he lives in british columbia which is

00:28:05.880 quite a bit more commie leaning than alberta but there's even there's a ton of people here in

00:28:14.000 alberta that still are like elbows up mentality my wife just ran into a lady yesterday at the

00:28:21.840 local library with uh sitting at a table with like uh part of uh thomas lukasic's forever canada

00:28:29.280 group yeah asking asking asking piper if he wanted to sign the petition to stay in canada and i i'm

00:28:39.360 surprised piper was as diplomatic as she was but um me too wow yeah me too she's awesome

00:28:47.760 it's not afraid to speak her mind no no never has been but like there's

00:28:55.680 i don't know i don't i'm sorry if i sound like a debbie downer but i just think like

00:29:01.840 people only demand change when they feel impacted personally and that was even true of me i was like

00:29:10.100 blinders on about a lot of stuff that i probably should have been aware of much earlier on until

00:29:17.180 the mandates directly impacted my life right well you know what they need 100 right i think

00:29:26.540 yeah sorry tom go ahead i was going to say the good thing is danny if there is alberta separation

00:29:32.540 through a friend of a friend i've gotten word to uh daniel smith that you'd be totally willing to

00:29:38.220 take over as the new commissioner of the police force for alberta oh yeah absolutely i second that

00:29:46.460 motion that was not discussed with me it's okay it's okay this is canada you have no control

00:29:53.980 of your life yeah that's right yes that's right yeah uh you know i agree with you danny there

00:29:59.900 is times when it's really when it does feel frustrating to the point of uh overwhelming

00:30:06.380 that there's so many institutions that are corrupt or are not accountable for their actions um it

00:30:12.300 it just sometimes feels like every organization in an institution we have in canada has been

00:30:17.580 corrupted or infiltrated in some fashion and i mean you know i i consider myself to be a fairly

00:30:24.620 happy person but i mean i have my days too where i just i can't believe some of the stuff that's

00:30:28.780 happening not just to us um because as crazy as this sounds i mean this is literally our life now

00:30:35.180 so i guess you know we've become a little bit desensitized to the surrealness of it all um

00:30:42.220 but i mean i'm hoping something like this doing this show will help um i try to laugh i try to

00:30:48.140 have a good time i love sarcasm and and i think it's just best to make fun of our situation or

00:30:53.980 not make fun of it because it's very serious but i mean i find it helps me stay sane to have the

00:30:59.980 the ability to just laugh at myself sometimes and connect right like connect with people and that's

00:31:05.440 going forward with this show we'd like to start introducing people that had you know anyone that

00:31:10.240 was involved with ottawa and the protest we can have them on to discuss their stories because

00:31:14.300 there's so many stories out there we can talk about the experience that we had we can talk

00:31:18.760 about the experience with others it's going to be pretty awesome and i'd love to have people on um

00:31:24.880 from ottawa that didn't support us and just try to like sort of like what eva chipia does with

00:31:30.000 empowered canadians and trying to open up some dialogue i mean i firmly believe uh 90 of the

00:31:36.000 population can always find a common ground and so i mean i think that's you know something we

00:31:42.400 should explore if you remember when trish wood was in ottawa filming for the documentary she actually

00:31:48.560 uh interviewed a lady from ottawa that said she never left her apartment she was terrified but

00:31:53.840 But the reason that she was so terrified was because she'd never met a truck driver before.

00:31:59.240 She'd never met somebody that worked in the oil patch before.

00:32:02.700 And so she felt legitimately afraid of, I guess, the toxic masculinity that, you know, was shoved down our throats a few years ago.

00:32:13.960 And so somebody like that, I think, you know, we could sit down with and have a conversation with.

00:32:18.620 I mean, that's my hope anyways.

00:32:20.240 I'd like to build some unity.

00:32:22.480 yep 100 that's why we're doing this we have 12 months

00:32:27.000 you're such a better person than me

00:32:31.180 you keep telling me that but i'm not i swear to god

00:32:36.340 no you are i i i would like to think that that would be my mindset too

00:32:44.380 but i just i still think you're better than me you're a better person than me

00:32:52.480 well it's definitely not easy some days that's for sure

00:32:56.840 i no matter how i i probably tend to agree more with danny on this issue than you

00:33:03.880 i still think it's important to try and i think that's the big thing because i know danny enough

00:33:09.520 to know that if i said hey danny um i'm doing a podcast i'm going to invite a bunch of ottawa

00:33:15.240 residents that hate my the ground that i walk on do you want to come danny would kind of be like

00:33:21.140 maybe i'll see how it goes first and if it's going okay danny would join because because danny is a

00:33:27.720 guy who looks at the facts right and uh treats people as individual looks at the facts but

00:33:32.660 i i honestly think that i get these days too where like chris knows this because we talk about this

00:33:39.360 but put me on the 401 for an hour the highway the 401 for an hour i'm ready to just nuke everybody

00:33:46.300 um i like i do not enjoy driving on the four 400 series highways in ontario but at the end of the

00:33:55.100 day you still gotta try you gotta try no matter what and i and i'm happy to say that i think that

00:34:01.420 that's just that's part of the canadian experience that's what does make us canadians you know that's

00:34:07.840 the part of the the nice person canadian reputation that we have is that we're still

00:34:13.360 willing to try to be neighborly uh it doesn't always work out but we're willing to try at least

00:34:19.100 and i think that's important i have to say that in in my three weeks in ottawa working with law

00:34:25.400 enforcement and trying to you know keep emergency lanes open all across the city i never bad i met

00:34:30.240 i never met a bad experienced person there i never talked to anybody that said you know you're you're

00:34:36.480 horrible i always had good experiences we were always trying to work with law enforcement to

00:34:40.620 make sure those emergency lanes are open,

00:34:42.980 make sure that we could get through there

00:34:44.720 in case of an emergency.

00:34:48.000 I guess my biggest regret now is, or not regret, I guess,

00:34:52.080 anger point would be the fact that the federal government's

00:34:54.180 never been held accountable for that many people

00:34:55.920 showing up on Parliament Hill and them grandstanding

00:34:59.240 and calling us names and belittling us

00:35:01.120 and using the media against us

00:35:02.960 and never having to be held account for that.

00:35:07.620 Yeah.

00:35:08.540 Yes. Like we've been just through three and a half years of lawfare and we've been

00:35:12.140 held accountable. And so when are the rest of them held accountable? I mean,

00:35:16.260 one thing that, you know,

00:35:17.760 the elephant in the room through the whole trial and the public order emergency

00:35:22.520 commission was the period between 2020 and

00:35:26.880 2022 that nobody wants to ever talk about.

00:35:30.860 No.

00:35:31.780 Right. So.

00:35:33.300 Totally agree. Totally agree. And, and, and this is why, like,

00:35:36.920 Even during your trial or even the POEC, the whole thing was a farce in the fact that there was no consideration whatsoever given what made manifest the convoy to begin with.

00:35:50.780 You know, a bunch of Canadian citizens from every corner of this country don't just decide all randomly on the same day, hey, I'm going to Ottawa because I'm upset with my government.

00:36:01.840 Like this was a two plus year buildup.

00:36:05.220 and Canadians responded, they actually abided by what they were supposed to do, which was to follow

00:36:12.260 the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, follow the law, you know, be responsible, good citizens,

00:36:17.620 but tell your government, you work for us, we're the ones who are supposed to set the agenda,

00:36:23.240 not you. This is not power of attorney here. And yet the only people held accountable for

00:36:29.100 what happened, the only standard of conduct which was examined was the two of you.

00:36:35.220 We never heard about anything. I mean, the fact that even the judge didn't even know that bank accounts got frozen until about six or seven weeks ago. What kind of a bubble do you live in where you don't know that that was a monumental thing that upset most of Canada?

00:36:52.000 you know was was the fact that when they froze those bank accounts everybody learned holy shit 0.94

00:36:58.540 I have skin in the game now I have skin in the game and so that's what really upset everybody

00:37:04.260 that woke up the Americans that's why they paid attention and every time someone talks about the

00:37:08.880 Canadian government they always and bank accounts being frozen and the fact that she didn't know

00:37:15.000 that is mind boggling and yet you guys were held to an unbelievably high

00:37:22.040 standard of conduct but the very people that put us there no discussion of them

00:37:28.140 at all as if though they didn't even exist and I think if we have air in our

00:37:32.940 lungs we continue to speak that you know push that accountability Tamara and I

00:37:38.100 were really fortunate on the way home from Ottawa last week to we both

00:37:42.480 received a phone call from a private number and it was a major how should we say this tomorrow a

00:37:47.080 major party leader in canada phoning to say hey i want to know your story and uh and here's my

00:37:55.060 number and keep in touch so there's politicians right now apparently they're changing communication

00:38:04.160 strategy which is good their last strategy failed miserably so why not reinvent yourself and hope

00:38:14.260 for a better outcome yep i love that they're using our talking points honestly and keith said

00:38:20.680 that very early on in the convoy right i mean look at the liberal party of canada is using

00:38:24.940 eva chipia's organization empowering canadians and that's one of their latest propaganda words

00:38:30.960 so you know with build build build and canada's new government and um and yeah a lot of them are

00:38:37.840 talking out they're talking about hope now and as all of you know i mean that was definitely

00:38:41.760 the one word that all of us heard the most throughout that whole time period so so that's

00:38:48.320 good hope and pride hope and pride i mean proud to be canadian not not to be confused with the

00:38:56.800 other one not the elbows upside yeah you know i always grew up so fascinated uh because i lived

00:39:04.460 along the along the border in southern saskatchewan so we got a lot of american tv

00:39:08.680 and i was always fascinated with the patriotism that i saw happening in the united states like

00:39:14.580 how much they revered their flag and respected their constitution um and that was the first

00:39:21.160 and i've always been it felt like i was a proud canadian um because that's how i was brought up

00:39:26.060 But that time for me was how I always imagined that that feeling of patriotism must truly feel.

00:39:33.960 And we've seen that, didn't we?

00:39:35.500 We've seen that.

00:39:36.420 And I've used that talking point before.

00:39:39.020 I've spent a lot of time in the United States trucking across all over 48.

00:39:42.920 And I've always noticed how that flag is held high.

00:39:47.600 It's always USA.

00:39:49.420 And when Convoy started, we've seen that with Canada. 0.54

00:39:52.140 As we traveled that highway all the way from Alberta to Ontario,

00:39:56.060 there was flags there was patriotism it was i don't tamara and i i think we spent more time

00:40:03.260 crying than we did anything else because it was so emotional and i don't yeah i'll always remember

00:40:08.140 that it was hard to hold it in yeah danny made me cry in an interview i gave you an actual interview

00:40:15.860 yeah and you gave me covid

00:40:18.360 we've all been there

00:40:25.920 that's right i did yell at you i forgot about that yeah

00:40:31.740 yeah i yelled at a few people don't don't mistake my kindness for weakness hey

00:40:37.600 no i had a i had a really good sit down one night with uh danny and thomas we were at the

00:40:47.900 with and had a good conversation about you know some personal stuff and then the next day um uh

00:40:55.340 what's this uh peloso andrew andrew yeah he did an interview in one of the rooms and uh

00:41:05.580 i i still was kind of lingering thinking about danny and then i had a i had something come up

00:41:11.900 that was a similar situation for me um but i started to think about it and danny had primed

00:41:18.860 me from from the conversation before and then i got into this thing started talking about my

00:41:24.060 daughter and it's like i gotta take a break and i i kind of walked out of the interview because i

00:41:28.700 just you know everybody did it everybody had emotions creep up that they never ever expected

00:41:37.340 uh to to have that you know usually i'm a pretty uh you know i got a lump of coal in my heart kind

00:41:43.260 of thing but man i i shed a few tears at that convoy um it was hard and i and i'll tell you

00:41:51.740 i think the third night i was there it was about midnight and i went up to

00:41:57.900 the wall up on wellington and i started to read all those posters

00:42:01.900 and uh my god the carnage that was happening across canada it was poured into all of those

00:42:11.340 posters that were were attached to the uh the wall on um parliament you know you spend uh any

00:42:19.280 amount of time reading those things and it just ripped your heart right out of your chest and i

00:42:24.220 remember i was near a truck the french canadian guy just shoveling the snow around his truck it's

00:42:29.580 afternoon and night and uh i think leanne came up to me and she's like you okay and i'm like oh i

00:42:36.140 just got some diesel in my eye i was like no it was it was pretty heavy stuff really really heavy

00:42:43.500 carnage that uh was plastered all over that wall um you know really emotional stuff i i never

00:42:50.140 anticipated that just to show you how how vindictive and evil our government was all that stuff got

00:42:56.140 thrown in trash bags and burnt yeah all those letters all that support all the people's stuff

00:43:02.780 in the downtown core when all the government had to do was have come have a conversation with us

00:43:06.960 and if it wasn't with us it was with somebody we would have put somebody there all we wanted

00:43:11.280 was that conversation but yeah that's all i mean how many times did we all ask just come and talk

00:43:19.160 to us just have a conversation with us we brought doctors in we brought you know our pets law

00:43:25.160 enforcement how many you know some some law enforcement officers were were disciplined

00:43:29.720 pretty heavily for just even supporting the convoy and that in the free and democratic society like

00:43:34.760 canada really they were punished they were punished or hell and gross yes

00:43:44.760 well this is going to be i think a great vehicle to get all these stories out too you know

00:43:49.000 like helen's story is absolutely incredible um speaking of the signs i mean i remember following

00:43:55.000 dan hartman's uh story and sean hartman's case very early on it felt like during uh the the

00:44:03.960 pandemic and i remember seeing sean's poster come up or that was down it was rito sussex it was at

00:44:11.400 the corner of rito sussex and i just stood there and cried i think i think that day i believe it

00:44:15.960 would have been his 18th birthday uh so it was you know but those signs were unbelievable

00:44:25.000 there's so many out there dan's just one story and i yeah i couldn't imagine that guy he that

00:44:32.780 is just a horrible feeling to even try and position yourself in his shoes and support

00:44:37.700 we went out for a fundraiser and did we have conditions against ourselves at that time

00:44:41.460 or were they lifted i think they were dropped they'd just been dropped

00:44:45.380 yes they were dropped in may and that was in june they've been dropped like two weeks before

00:44:49.440 there's a lot of stories out there and we hope to tell quite a few more of them by

00:44:54.760 just doing this so what like what's the story are we going to do this once a week or twice a week

00:44:58.920 what i mean well i think we should do it at least once a week twice a week it's there's so much to

00:45:04.520 tell such a story to tell i'd i'd sort of like to um do a little bit of of an outline just as far as

00:45:12.200 like kind of staying on the timeline of how we each you know all of us got involved uh how what

00:45:18.760 how we met and then just start you know telling the story and inviting people on to to join us

00:45:24.840 and so oh i just see that in the comment section sean would have been 21 years old today yeah yeah

00:45:31.320 wow yeah sad but i mean there's all those stories too i mean look at what's happening with kayla

00:45:38.760 pollock uh carrie sakamoto ashley mural kevin street steve johnson you know the it's it's

00:45:46.200 absolutely unbelievable um and i think a lot of these people are doing a great job at getting

00:45:50.920 their stories out but you know it's always been sort of a goal of myself and chris's for sure to

00:45:55.360 help amplify their message um because they're not getting the help that they need i mean i think all

00:46:00.700 of us in this chat or this this stream knew that the vis program was going to be a joke right from

00:46:05.760 the get-go i called it arrive scam 2.0 right off the bat so it was it was pretty obvious but uh

00:46:12.140 But, I mean, this gives us an opportunity not only to tell our stories, but also to share other people's stories, too.

00:46:18.640 And, you know, we can talk about the cruelty in the coercion, like when I think about Sheila Lewis.

00:46:25.420 And I think about, I think his name was Garrett Harper.

00:46:30.680 I have their names, right?

00:46:33.140 Like, I never met them, but just the cruelty, the callousness, you know,

00:46:40.200 the the governments did to these people uh the coercion i mean just the i mean in what i

00:46:46.580 investigated through police on guard when i was with them long before the convoy you know they

00:46:52.340 had retired police officers doing a full-on review of the criminal code of canada and they broke down

00:46:58.080 uh coercion as being a form of assault i think it's 246 or i'm not i don't remember what the

00:47:05.580 exact code is but you know i relied on those uh those chart not those charges but sort of um a

00:47:14.000 police on guard member had done a couple of members did a very extensive review and itemized

00:47:20.180 all of the criminal code of canada uh laws that were being broken by all these institutions

00:47:26.480 and so when i got fired from my teaching job i referenced all of them i think there was eight

00:47:31.480 or 10 different uh criminal code violations against my college that uh if the if the police

00:47:37.640 just had the will to lay the charge in a crown prosecutor who had the courage to see it through

00:47:45.160 maybe something could have been done maybe some people could have been spared but law was thrown

00:47:50.920 in the in the toilet and uh the courage the moral courage the legal courage uh just the human

00:47:57.080 kindness or compassion was thrown out by all the the crown prosecutors nobody had the will because

00:48:03.320 the person above them they knew would not support them you know and danny can speak even more about

00:48:09.480 this than than the three of us but when your boss is not going to go to bat for you and you know

00:48:15.000 that your boss's boss isn't going to go to bat for you how can you do your job like a police officer

00:48:22.520 can't be the one who lays the charge uh goes to court and does the conviction like there's a whole

00:48:29.400 apparatus that's involved in the ones above the police officer if they don't take action

00:48:33.960 the police officer can't do anything right and so that's frustrating because i think a lot of police

00:48:40.120 just said i've got no support like i know i have a lot of friends that are police officers that are

00:48:45.640 or i knew from my reserve days uh people that i cared about you know i still care about they're

00:48:51.720 They're good police officers, but they take a lot of heat.

00:48:54.880 In fact, I think Danny and I, a few months after the convoy,

00:48:57.800 did a Twitter space talking about me, Danny, Nadine Ness,

00:49:03.240 and Chris Vandenbos did a Twitter space talking about the predicament

00:49:08.040 that police were in during the COVID days.

00:49:12.420 Yeah, sometimes I wish the police would have done what Danny did

00:49:15.980 and make a public stand and fought back and said,

00:49:18.980 I'm not playing the game.

00:49:20.140 but you know they have uh they have families too the life of the party just showed up yeah

00:49:37.340 what's really funny i wanted bye danny's i bye bye see you buddy

00:49:43.660 i thought this was so funny when i just looked back here this was my uh grad from law school

00:49:56.060 rodeo and sussex or like whatever that was the big problem

00:50:04.300 across the street the fairmont anyway just nice good times

00:50:10.700 we did a little bit of work on that on that block didn't we ever remember that fateful

00:50:14.700 cold last morning in ottawa when we tried to get some french connection guys to get their

00:50:19.340 trucks out of the way because it was making it very difficult for law enforcement and uh yeah

00:50:25.500 yeah i mean these are the stories that people don't know i mean we we all went down there

00:50:30.940 we all went down there and spent that most of that day trying to trying to work with the police and

00:50:35.740 assist them to move trucks and that was in the end it was them that shut it down i i wasn't i

00:50:42.460 never feared for my safety in ottawa at all but for the one time when we went to redo sussex to

00:50:47.900 try and get the guys to move their trucks and get an emergency lane through because the police were

00:50:51.740 concerned and i thought i was going to get my ass kicked that day there was about five guys standing 0.66

00:50:56.300 around me that whoa boy this is not good yeah yeah that was quite a day our conversation i think 0.98

00:51:05.180 just what went on in that corner yeah a lot a lot happened on that corner a lot

00:51:14.300 that's where guy meister was with the old black mask there yeah yeah that's where we first met

00:51:19.500 guy meister robert donnell is there and we you know to be to make sure people know the true

00:51:26.380 story behind this it was very passionate people that had enough of the government and were willing

00:51:30.300 to take a stand and uh and just we were trying to find that happy medium between working with

00:51:35.580 law enforcement trying to alleviate the problems in the downtown core and uh working with the

00:51:40.220 protesters and now i was as we go through this it's going to be more evident of how many struggles we 0.97

00:51:45.580 had oh people only knew but i mean a lot of people that were at rito also were quebecers

00:51:53.740 and don't forget i mean out of all the provinces in canada i would say quebec was the most locked

00:51:59.740 down uh they were threatening attacks on people that refused that thing they um had they were

00:52:07.900 under curfew so i mean i don't blame them for being angry and digging their heels in a little bit

00:52:13.740 there they had some crazy curfews in quebec and then uh new brunswick for a short time started i

00:52:21.980 remember putting armed uh police at grocery stores just before this thing uh like a few weeks before

00:52:28.940 the convoy like they were starting to do armed vax passes at the grocery store uh i think in new

00:52:35.740 brunswick you know and when you're getting to that point where you're denying people food because you

00:52:40.780 have to violate the privacy act and turn over your uh and violate uh hipaa and turn over your

00:52:45.900 medical thing to some cashier at the the grocery store like man we lost our minds um and our

00:52:55.020 humanity and our humanity yeah yep but that uh you know like chris brought up something earlier

00:53:05.180 about you know the the amount of times we'd gone and we were trying to to talk to truckers and sort

00:53:11.740 of i don't want to say police are wrong but we wanted to make sure that uh you know this was a

00:53:16.700 constant theme safe and responsible we were always doing the things that we could be safe and

00:53:22.220 responsible we were always conscious of even the police's safety while we were there and i remember

00:53:31.580 that corner uh we almost had a a good deal with the french guys and eva and i had spent two hours

00:53:38.300 i was coughing my brains out and i spent two hours in a truck me and eva with uh one of the french

00:53:43.740 canadian guys and he was chain smoking and blowing it right in my face for the whole two hours since

00:53:48.780 i was trying to convince him to just they're gonna let you move they're gonna let you like we want

00:53:53.340 you to move right and uh i remember we had a really good thing and at one point they all wanted

00:54:01.660 like what chris was saying you know they all wanted to surround and it was fong lee the the

00:54:07.100 the uh police liaison guy and and i was like okay you guys on the corner here you get two people

00:54:16.780 and then fong lee and one other officer and you can have a meeting in the middle

00:54:21.100 but there's no way i'm putting fondly in the middle of 50 truckers on that corner because

00:54:26.940 he was just too hostile of a guy he would have pissed and just would have got punched in the

00:54:32.300 interesting that he was never called to testify at either the public order emergency commission

00:54:37.420 or our trial as he was the sergeant of the plt at that time but i mean i think our experiences with

00:54:44.940 sergeant lee will explain why he wasn't i mean there's so much to talk about on this show you

00:54:51.740 guys i don't even like i need to start writing things down because something will trigger my

00:54:56.300 memory and be like oh there's a story there yeah i was just gonna say when it was how you set it up

00:55:03.340 but it was it was the for like the few of us trying to manage what the police and the city

00:55:09.980 was supposed to do. So I can't remember how you set it up, but it was like, that's what I think

00:55:16.240 people that weren't very close to the incident believed that the police and the city were

00:55:22.220 managing it really well. And then these aggressive truckers were there making chaos. And it was

00:55:29.520 almost the opposite. It's like, excuse me, can we speak to somebody about what's supposed to go on

00:55:35.040 here and people really don't understand that story i think or that element no february 15th

00:55:41.560 or february 14th when we when we were finally made a deal with the with the city of ottawa and

00:55:45.880 evan and i specifically were standing on one of the streets issuing trucks out of the residential

00:55:49.940 areas on the wellington and we were so happy but do you think one law enforcement vehicle would

00:55:54.760 move their vehicle because the upper management said no so we what did we spend all morning and

00:55:59.740 i actually was on the phone to some of the higher uppers in the in the city management and saying

00:56:03.320 what the hell guys you promised us you'd have support here you're making us look bad because

00:56:08.500 we're not fulfilling the end of our deal now and uh you know the the one story i can think of that

00:56:15.260 highlights this is on the 7th so keith and eva were in court on the horn injunction and i was

00:56:22.900 actually negotiating with the ottawa police because they were really pushing us to stop the horn

00:56:28.740 honking and everything. And I said, I'll tell you what, I'll go back to the truckers and I'll see

00:56:34.680 if they'll reduce their honking from 12 to one every day at lunch for one hour. If you just

00:56:40.980 move the barrier so we can get a pumper truck up there and clean out the porta potties. 1.00

00:56:45.700 Like it came down to negotiating to getting the bathrooms cleaned between honking horns and getting

00:56:52.560 porta potties and then they said no they outright refused to allow it to happen and then the cbc

00:56:59.360 started spreading lies saying that we were defecating all over people's yards and all that

00:57:03.840 kind of stuff it's like no none of that ever happened never happened you know but it's like

00:57:09.920 you just use these things to try to vilify us and spread lies meanwhile we had rented porta potties

00:57:17.840 up there on Wellington for everybody to use and they wouldn't let us get them cleaned out.

00:57:22.880 Right. But it's our fault because we were not safe or responsible. Like,

00:57:28.560 you can't make this crap up. You just can't make it up. 1.00

00:57:31.840 It's insulting how irresponsible they think average ordinary Canadians are. I mean, look

00:57:38.240 at the state of Ottawa when we were there. The streets were never cleaner. The garbage was all

00:57:42.640 picked up there's there was no overdose death in downtown ottawa and as a matter of fact i've heard

00:57:49.680 numerous times that one of the truckers actually prevented one and overdosed there um the homeless

00:57:55.840 were fed i mean it's uh that city never looked better we're not the city and that's the other

00:58:01.760 thing it wasn't the whole city it was like six city blocks like when you when we would leave the

00:58:06.480 area around parliament to go do errands or whatever we needed to do i mean you'd get away from there

00:58:11.600 and you couldn't even tell that there was that it was going on there yeah and streets weren't

00:58:17.920 cleaned back but outside of that six block radius not at all yeah that's right exactly

00:58:24.320 but yeah i loved every day going from the air to the swiss and having to walk by the methadone clinic

00:58:30.240 yes every day we were just in when we were there for sentencing i was outside of the hotel we were

00:58:37.120 at and some lady was trying to sell meth to people passing by and then she sat down and lit a pipe

00:58:43.040 and smoked something and then the ambulance came 15 minutes later to pick her up this is downtown

00:58:48.000 ottawa on a street corner i hope she's okay but i she cuddled up in a little ball and i didn't i

00:58:54.880 didn't know what we don't see that where i live i'm on the prairies we have coyotes outside in the

00:59:02.240 park i don't see that here wow oh we got somebody here oh he was reaching a stink upstairs so oh

00:59:14.960 might as well have a little bit of house arrest with chris and tamara zippy

00:59:18.880 are you on house arrest too you are he's got some stories to tell too i'm sure

00:59:23.920 zippy was with us in ottawa he was a character right zippy my daughter's here she's looking

00:59:30.720 somebody's coming down the driveway i would imagine this is my son so zip starts barking

00:59:35.140 upstairs and you can hear him well we've been going for an hour uh i don't want to bore people

00:59:43.720 to tears although i doubt that will happen um did you guys feel like maybe doing five or ten

00:59:48.720 minutes of of questions question and answer and sure and then we'll call it a day and get ready

00:59:54.360 for next week comments we have we have over 5 000 people watching this right now i can't believe it

01:00:03.720 that's incredible okay that's awesome yeah 5 200 people are watching this right now yeah

01:00:15.480 put this behind a paywall because then they'll actually have to pay to see what we're talking

01:00:18.920 about it that would be hilarious wouldn't it are you nervous um yeah so yeah if anyone has

01:00:29.400 any questions i'll try to go through some of the chats here sorry eva go ahead wanted to say hi

01:00:34.040 and uh i'll let you do the questions it's always so nice to see you guys i'm happy to tag along

01:00:39.480 anytime thanks eva thank you good to see you thanks for popping in pleasure

01:00:49.240 will there be a book i just saw that question here it's going to be a movie

01:00:54.840 and a documentary so i i have a book i've i've released a book tom has released two books now

01:01:03.480 and i got three now i got three oh wow oh where have i been you've been busy uh yeah so yeah that's

01:01:12.440 true driving back and forth to ottawa uh yes the coots four definitely we can hopefully get a lot

01:01:18.520 of that story shared on this on this program too coots for the coots three uh man there's there's

01:01:24.600 so much that came out of uh this whole experience for us to talk about that's the awesome asylum

01:01:32.200 in the usa no i mean we've been offered that i'd like to say that too we've been offered that but

01:01:39.800 you know i've said this before too my my family homesteaded on this proper this this property that

01:01:44.200 i'm sitting on right now in 1905 and this is my home and my family's here my parents are you know

01:01:50.840 in their 70s now and i am this is my country and this is my i didn't change this country changed

01:01:57.320 and i want this country to go back to the way it was when we were growing up when people were

01:02:01.400 canadian and not so hateful and hurtful and angry and where we are right now because of politics

01:02:10.280 um why has tom marazzo never been arrested is he a fed

01:02:19.800 i couldn't resist that's funny oh my god every

01:02:23.720 this whole thing every single one of us has been called a fed paid opposition of control plants

01:02:30.600 it's controlled opposition i've been uh i've been accused of secretly working for the ndp

01:02:37.880 if you can believe that so no tom mirazzo uh just got lucky i guess i mean look at chris

01:02:45.720 barber's situation and mine too i mean chris was arrested before me and was released the next

01:02:51.480 morning i think and and it just so and then i was i wasn't released for the whole long weekend so i

01:02:57.480 I think it was, um, some of, some of, some of us got out of there, uh, you know, or,

01:03:04.060 you know, when I was in, I was in the holding cell in downtown Ottawa police station.

01:03:07.580 And, uh, for whatever reason, they let me go to, I don't know, it was, maybe it was

01:03:11.960 fingerprints or something like that.

01:03:13.140 And I came back to the cell and I instinctively said, thank you.

01:03:15.740 Thank you, sir.

01:03:16.300 To the officer that closed the door.

01:03:17.660 And, and then I heard two stalls down.

01:03:19.580 It was Danny, Danny Bulford saying, Chris, Chris, is that you?

01:03:22.980 Danny spent eight hours in the, in the cells there, you know?

01:03:25.920 and uh a lot of people forget that i i spent a measly what was it 26 hours tamara you were like

01:03:31.800 49 bloody days in isolation and solitary confinement so my time was nothing compared to

01:03:38.400 part of it yeah yeah part of it yeah you know every thursday well i think no i was gonna say

01:03:45.880 when you were you were talking about uh doing this uh my first response was let's do the first

01:03:51.520 episode on why danny bulfer didn't get arrested because you know we get this question all the

01:04:01.120 time and i in in there's no there's no pattern there's no rhyme or reason like look at harold

01:04:06.800 jonker harold jonker yes got charged 14 months after the convoy was over and then he finally got

01:04:14.720 his day as court all that cost all that effort and he went into court for what a day and they

01:04:20.080 dropped the charges like it's just to make your life miserable it's not based in reality or justice

01:04:27.600 of any kind it's just to make your life miserable and that's it and i think there is something to

01:04:34.560 this idea of uh like most of the people that they really really did target were from the west uh with

01:04:42.400 the exception of herald but then you know that however they did that but i mean look at randy

01:04:48.240 hilliard they went after randy pretty hard right and then randy won randy won all his cases right so

01:04:56.560 it i don't i don't know what the pattern is i don't know what the justification is

01:05:01.520 um i there were some some people that said oh you know they're gonna go after chris and tamara

01:05:07.600 because they're they're perceived to be blue collar and i'm like well then you picked the

01:05:11.840 wrong people you couldn't have picked the worst like seriously like i i nobody if we were looking

01:05:19.360 at white collar blue collar kind of mentality in charge like people would have been like that's 0.53

01:05:24.800 just another white collar guy going to jail you know what i mean but but like i think they made

01:05:30.480 such a horrible horrible uh over oversimplication miscalculation whatever you want uh but they

01:05:38.720 didn't understand the the inspiration that the two of you brought to canadians and you know

01:05:46.400 it doesn't matter who it is like i i just don't think they understood what they were doing i think

01:05:52.500 it was uh it was obviously vindictive but i don't think it was properly calculated i think they

01:06:01.020 tried to make examples out of the wrong people uh you guys have galvanized everybody's resolve

01:06:07.200 in the amount of support that you've gotten across Canada um and so why they didn't arrest me

01:06:15.000 or or Danny longer or anybody else why didn't they go after Eva and Keith why why didn't they

01:06:23.200 go after everybody but they didn't they they just made some really bad calculations and I

01:06:30.060 personally think it blew up in their face you know I if they'd have gone after me and I got

01:06:35.320 charged and arrested i think it would have just been it would have just died out we wouldn't have

01:06:39.520 heard anything it would have just went but for you guys you guys were at the forefront of this

01:06:44.700 convoy from day one you guys did the trip the trip across canada i didn't do the trip across

01:06:51.000 canada you know i got there two days after you guys had already arrived and so i think really

01:06:56.600 it comes down to um were they trying to make an example out of you guys make a big splash take out

01:07:04.060 the the most notable well i think that blew up in their face and and i i me personally i just think

01:07:12.060 that me i was viewed as irrelevant and nobody would have batted an eye but you got iconic tom

01:07:19.980 you had a chart on the wall you were the vital part of it remember the chart tom came in there

01:07:26.380 you created structure you know and yeah i remember the day you walked into that

01:07:32.180 that that hotel room in that conference room and i gave you covid but

01:07:36.800 you sure did

01:07:40.120 i got it from somebody else so i'll just pass that blame off

01:07:45.220 hey and you know what i just super dosed with uh ivermectin hcq tons of vitamins and uh

01:07:54.220 You know, I was good to go.

01:07:55.240 I had a sore throat and a headache, uh, and then eventually it turned into a

01:07:58.800 cough, but I got through it.

01:08:01.700 I survived it.

01:08:04.420 Yeah.

01:08:05.120 And we all, we all had a purpose.

01:08:06.860 We all had a mission.

01:08:07.660 Right.

01:08:08.640 So,

01:08:09.340 well, there's a question.

01:08:12.520 I'll just take a second and address the other question.

01:08:16.640 Wait, wait, that question's mine.

01:08:18.800 Me and Bridget Belton, me and Bridget Belton, we'd stole it.

01:08:23.680 split it to finance our ontario party elections uh three years ago in the 2022 election so we

01:08:33.440 we i thought it was in my offshore bank accounts yeah i thought you bought a ferrari or was it a

01:08:40.240 porsche wasn't it uh an island i've been accused of buying a couple things with it but uh yeah

01:08:48.400 it wasn't that guys there's literally 5.5 million dollars sitting in an escrow account right now

01:08:55.200 there wasn't returned to canadians 5.5 million sitting in escrow for the last almost four years

01:09:00.800 so everything was frozen during convoy um by the government by paul champs lawsuit and it remains

01:09:06.800 frozen until this day and i don't know what your two thoughts are on this but if that money is

01:09:12.320 ever released i don't want to be the one that has to be accountable for it i want like i i would

01:09:19.360 rather just run my business and drive truck because the heat that would come down on us for for that i

01:09:24.560 i don't think i could deal with that yeah sorry tamara i had to cut you off there and ask that

01:09:30.640 make a joke about the money oh that's okay that's all good all good i just wanted to address that

01:09:36.240 other lady's question about every thursday and i mean i think thursday is a pretty good evening

01:09:40.720 but we'll we'll figure that out i'll announce it well i'll announce it on our social media so that

01:09:44.800 you know but thursday night i think will be a good night yeah yeah well that works we're over

01:09:52.480 an hour and we said we would do the first show for an hour yeah yeah there's not too many more

01:09:58.080 questions yeah yeah i think we can i think we can call it there um tom it was so great to see you

01:10:04.480 thanks for thanks for popping on and obviously to danny and eva too um thank you for all the

01:10:10.320 messages coming through here i can't believe we have 5727 people watching the very first

01:10:18.400 inaugural episode of house arrest with chris and tamara we've got 18 long months of this folks

01:10:27.200 and we plan to use every moment wisely thanks for keeping the comments nice too by the way i've been

01:10:32.960 kind of trying to pay attention to them in corner it's been very respectful and decent

01:10:36.720 and we appreciate that yeah thanks and thank you guys for uh for doing this yeah yes

01:10:49.120 maybe we'll pop on from time to time when we when we have something on our minds to talk about so

01:10:53.440 yeah yeah we can do that we can do that now we don't have the trial hanging over our head i mean

01:10:58.640 it's really ironic that in some ways we've lost a ton of our freedoms but in other ways we've

01:11:04.240 gained different ones you know so we don't have to be obviously mindful in case the crown appeals

01:11:09.440 but i mean i guess the thing is is um we don't have anything to hide we've never had anything

01:11:14.640 to hide and um i mean i'm so proud of all of all of the stuff that we accomplished i'm proud of

01:11:22.400 all the canadians that showed up and kept their cool and kept it peaceful and all the canadians

01:11:28.000 that continue to support us and stand together i saw a question in here about do you think that

01:11:32.640 canada can be can ever um be the same in a recover and i believe it can and i believe

01:11:40.240 starting conversations having conversations finding common ground and of course getting

01:11:45.200 the truth out there that's the most important thing yeah and i and i think if it when it

01:11:52.480 recovers it'll be better than it was yes i think we got this you know what we have history we got

01:11:59.200 this we have the truth and we will we will be you know whatever happens to us yeah that's great

01:12:07.280 okay everyone have a great night thanks so much for joining us uh and we'll see you next week

01:12:11.920 bye all right thanks everyone

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House Arrest - October 19, 2025

House Arrest with Chris & Tamara

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