00:01:53.220Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition, Human Events Daily.
00:01:59.440Today is December 18th, 2025, Anno Dominic.
00:02:04.200And I got to say, guys, I was just watching that AmFest video right there,
00:02:13.400a little promo right before we started, and it hit me.
00:02:19.820um i don't know how to put it just hit me that this am fest which is starting today
00:02:26.640and i'm going to be flying out to phoenix right after the show here get there spend the weekend
00:02:35.160with the turning point family that this really is the first one without charlie
00:02:42.100And look, you know, I'd be I'd be lying if I tell you if it wasn't rough.
00:02:53.700There's usually a time frame where Charlie is texting us and calling us and saying, hey, make sure we make sure we blow it out.
00:03:04.620Make sure you you promote it. Make sure you let people know about AmFest.
00:03:07.820let everybody know what's going on and make sure if people can come make sure you know if there's a
00:03:12.460couple extra seats let's get them in let's let's pack it let's make it big and i'm just i'm just
00:03:19.980so used to him you know it's usually usually that starts about two weeks out before an event
00:03:25.560and it just kind of you know it just kind of keeps going and then of course i'll check in with the
00:03:30.520events team and i'll say i'll say gosh charlie really wants us to to push this thing are we are
00:03:34.500we low on tickets or something they say no we're fine we're totally fine we've more than last year
00:03:38.320we're almost completely sold up why is it's just charlie being charlie it's just charlie being
00:03:42.860charlie and of course right because that's that's how charlie that's how charlie was that's how
00:03:52.940charlie is work you know work harder be better do more go hard and look you know
00:04:04.180So here's the thing, right? Here's the thing, folks. We know this time will be the first time and the first in a long series of Turning Point events without Charlie.
00:04:17.100But the worst possible thing that we could do for Charlie's legacy would be to stop, would be to quit, would be to surrender to the people who did this unspeakable evil to him, to Erica, to their children, to the movement.
00:04:39.480because we're not going to quit the same way that Charlie would never quit,
00:04:44.260the same way that Charlie, despite knowing the risks,
00:04:47.440stepped out there anyway and did what he had to do
00:04:50.500because he had that fire inside him, he had that dog in him,
00:04:55.420and he knew what he was going to do going forward, come hell or high water.
00:07:20.780This is Human Events with Jack Posobo.
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00:09:46.580Dan, we had this sort of undercurrent last night that the president of the United States was going to push a massive invasion of Venezuela.
00:09:59.920Now, that may have been a head fake in my—I haven't talked to the admin about this, but I was at the White House yesterday.
00:10:06.240And I I thought that perhaps that may have been a head fake by the administration.
00:10:13.900I said on War Room last night that I thought it was I called it an information operation to kind of potentially see how the Venezuelans might react.
00:10:23.240There were a number of people who thought it was real.
00:10:25.680There are a number of people who may have been involved in this.
00:10:28.740And I'm not going to ask you whether or not that was your take on it.
00:10:31.160But what really is going on with Venezuela?
00:10:34.220Well, I think that you need to look at what is happening with Venezuela on two different tracks is you have a you can't deny there is a very clear effort by the administration to apply military pressure on Maduro.
00:10:51.980Now, there are several different narratives about what the end state is.
00:10:57.000Some people are saying it is a regime change in Venezuela.
00:11:01.560Others are saying that it is focused on getting the regime to change its behavior,
00:11:07.160whether that means ending the use of their territory as a staging ground for cartels
00:11:15.760to transport drugs into our country, or, you know, to get it to engage in a more open and fair
00:11:24.100manner with American businesses. But again, you can't look at the current force posture
00:11:30.120in the Caribbean and say that there's not a real military option on the table. You don't move all
00:11:38.580those assets into the region if you didn't want to have that optionality. But there is still
00:11:45.040clearly a diplomatic track going on. The president has talked about speaking with Maduro. There is
00:11:52.600efforts to reach some type of deal with him. Now, what that deal looks like, I am not exactly sure.
00:11:59.680There's been a lot of leaks. And to your point, as you talk about a lot, it could be an information
00:12:05.020operation of itself. There's discussions, for example, of trying to set up a soft landing for
00:12:40.000would be bad if they had an opportunity to derail these things. Yeah, no, and I'll just say as a guy
00:12:48.560who was a trained information warfare officer, that's the world that I play in and, you know,
00:12:55.360or played in, I should say, and that when I see the White House and I see, you know, people who,
00:13:01.660you know, are in and around Trump world doing certain things, I look at it and I say, you know,
00:13:07.620That smells to me like now, basically, by the way, what I said on War Room last night was I said, I think the information at play, number one, obviously, the pressure on Maduro ratcheting it up.
00:13:17.960Of course, it's so obvious because they're going to read these things as people who are close to the White House hearing things from the White House.
00:13:23.720But at the same time, you've also got all of network news and the broadcast news out there that they want to take the, you know, take the speech.
00:13:33.560So, look, you're getting inside the heads of all of those network news editors saying, you know, maybe we should take the White House.
00:13:41.020Maybe we should take this one. Could be something, you know, you know, they're saying it's just a, you know, they're saying it's just a play to, you know, you know, do a year rundown and look ahead.
00:13:52.160But maybe just maybe we'll get some big news. I say we go for it.
00:13:55.720And that's a decision that's made in thousands of markets across the country.
00:14:01.040So, of course, you've got to figure out a way to make people cover you.
00:14:04.460And, you know, who's better at playing the media than Donald J. Trump?
00:14:08.980The question is, I think, to your point and to many others points and for those who are serving and those who have served,
00:14:16.700the question is, of course, that, OK, great news that, you know, that we're getting we're getting bonuses instead of deployments.
00:14:23.980But at the same time, for active duty, especially for my 5,000 shipmates that are on that aircraft carrier parked off the coast of Venezuela, I think they really want to know whether or not missiles or jets are going to start streaming in hostilities.
00:14:42.080Yeah, look, again, you don't deploy this force unless you are seriously considering using military force against Venezuela.
00:14:53.340This is not the type of force posture you would have if you were just focused on killing narco-terrorists or drug smugglers or even just doing a quasi-blockade, which the president has implemented.
00:15:10.220This is a type of force posture that you would have if you were going to do a sustained air campaign.
00:15:17.280It's not enough to do a forced amphibious invasion or a lot of things on land, but this is somewhat similar to what we deployed in CENTCOM prior to launching operations against the Houthis in the spring.
00:15:36.180We can't lie about that, that this is still very much an option.
00:15:40.980But again, my hope still is that the diplomatic track succeeds and that ultimately we have a scenario where we're able to accomplish what we're setting out to do regarding Venezuela, meaning that we don't have a hostile power in our hemisphere that could potentially be a host to other foreign adversaries.
00:16:05.260and that Venezuela isn't, you know, a major hub for drug trafficking in the Western Hemisphere.
00:16:13.320I also, too, think, and again, we can get more into this,
00:16:16.980is we also need to be mindful, too, of the risks of what could happen if a military operation is launched.
00:16:25.020And specifically, a lot of people are talking about regime change,
00:16:28.280but there's one scenario I don't think a lot of folks are talking about enough,
00:16:32.040And that's the risk and possible outcome of regime collapse, meaning there isn't a firm central government in charge of Venezuela.
00:16:42.660And that poses immense risks, not just to South America, but our whole hemisphere.
00:16:48.980Well, look, and this is this is always a question and we haven't formally announced it yet, but we're actually going to be doing here on Human Events.
00:16:57.480Over the Christmas break, we usually take some time to launch a new series of, you know, deep dives into certain things, typically in the past, sometimes current events and sometimes the intersection of history and current events.
00:17:11.720We've done communism. We did the China Files a few years ago, turned that into a massive book.
00:17:17.680We did Tales of Christendom last year, Tales of the Christians or the Chronicles of Christendom, actually, Chronicles of Christendom.
00:17:24.920And this time around, we've actually pre-taped a whole series of interviews and deep dives on regime change operations.
00:17:36.080And so the formal title is—I'm not going to reveal that just yet, but it's all about regime change.
00:17:42.480This is going to be dropping after AmFest, and we're going to look into these.
00:17:46.520And we're going to look into the almost unbreakable law of unintended consequences, which comes about through Syria, through Iraq, through Afghanistan and through Ukraine.
00:17:59.180Of course, we talk about the Maidan revolution and we're going to ask those questions as well, because when everyone talks about these potential military operations, diplomatic operations and efforts in places like Tehran or places like Caracas and Venezuela,
00:18:12.440you always have to ask yourselves the question that the Bush administration and then later the Obama administration never seem to want to ask.
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00:20:23.520I want to get back on now with Dan Caldwell because, Dan, you know, look, you know, I try not to be one of those guys who's sort of like, I'm a professional veteran.
00:20:34.880You're listening to me because I served or whatever.
00:20:41.120We had the dignified transfer yesterday over at Dover Air Force Base of a couple of heroes coming back.
00:20:47.300National Guardsmen out of Iowa, two guys in their 20s, and then a civilian interpreter who was over
00:20:56.360there. Why do we still have troops in Syria, Dan? What's going on? 9-11 was 24 years ago,
00:21:06.900and Syria didn't attack us on 9-11. Why do we have troops there?0.89
00:21:12.180Look, let me just say the Trump administration earlier this year started a withdrawal and consolidation of troops in Syria and they should finish it because there are no vital national interests at stake in Syria that require us risking the lives of Iowa National Guardsmen.
00:21:33.380And we still have troops in Syria because actually going back to 2018 and 2019, when President Trump tried to pull him out, he was undermined by the permanent national security bureaucracy, including some of his own appointees at the time.
00:21:51.260Now, to be clear, that's not happening in this term, but there's been this inertia with Syria for over a decade now, and every original objective that we had for introducing troops into Syria in the first place, all the way back in 2015, 2016, has been accomplished.
00:22:13.860The ISIS caliphate was destroyed under President Trump.
00:22:17.620Iranian influence in Syria is no longer an issue because the current government of Syria hates Iran.
00:22:25.360So Iran can't use Syria as a rear area for Hezbollah in Lebanon,
00:22:33.360and they can't use the ground lines of communication across Syria to supply them.
00:22:38.600So it's this zombie mission that keeps going on and on.
00:22:42.500and and there are people that keep finding reasons to to keep them there and again it is
00:22:49.260there is absolutely nothing that requires troops to be in syria everything that president trump
00:22:56.720has laid out as an objective with syria defeating the remnants of isis and they are truly the the
00:23:03.160bottom of the barrel remnants of isis right now to ensuring that syria doesn't lapse into another
00:23:08.800civil war can be accomplished without hundreds or thousands of troops in Syria. So my strong
00:23:16.460belief is that the administration needs to finish the withdrawal they started, the withdrawal that
00:23:21.820President Trump wanted in 2018 and 2019, and go to zero in Syria. Well, and this is, look, I like0.82
00:23:31.580the fact that you call it the zombie mission, because look, when we talk about these regime
00:23:35.520change operations. That's exactly what we're dealing with. We're dealing with the after
00:23:40.040effects, the unintended consequences of operations in Burr-Sycamore and the regime change operation
00:23:45.180that was pushed by the Obama administration, that was pushed by Hillary Clinton, that was pushed
00:23:50.880by elements of the governments of Saudi Arabia, of Jordan, of Israel, so many others in the region
00:23:56.540to get rid of Turkey, to get rid of Assad. So, okay, Assad is gone now. And then ISIS was,
00:24:04.220you know, popped up in the middle. So then we had to go fight ISIS because it turns out the
00:24:08.420moderate jihadis weren't that moderate at all. And so the weapons started flowing there. And
00:24:13.040it's the largest, largest covert operation in CIA history in terms of price tag. And yet you won't
00:24:20.620see any Hollywood movies about that. You won't see Charlie Wilson's war about that. You won't see,
00:24:25.280you know, Rambo going over there and helping the Syrians overthrow Assad. No,
00:24:29.460won't see any of this because when you don't make Netflix documentaries or Netflix miniseries
00:24:34.440about something, apparently that just doesn't happen. Sorry, rant. But, you know, oh, and by
00:24:40.860the way, and by the way, no, I'm not ending the rant because I have to add something because
00:24:45.140I'm getting some flack for this online. You're not going to see any airport novels by Jack Carr
00:24:50.800about this. Oh, Jack Carr, Jack Carr. Oh, we got it. We got to follow Jack Carr. We got to overthrow
00:24:55.720Assad. We've got to do whatever the neocons want. We've got to do whatever the idiots in the
00:25:02.500neoliberal space who go on Joe Rogan all the time talk about. We've got to do that. We've got to1.00
00:25:06.240follow them. You never actually look at the facts on the ground. OK, I lied about the ramp being
00:25:11.140done. Now it's done. No, these are all things that get whitewashed or ignored in discussion
00:25:17.460around Syria. Here's another thing that I think is relevant, because I know you've been talking
00:25:21.520a lot about left-wing violence here in the United States and the risk of some of these left-wing
00:25:26.960groups committing terrorist acts. So a lot of folks like to talk about the Kurds in Syria and
00:25:32.880one reason we should stay in Syria is to protect the Kurds in Syria. Well, here's a little unpleasant
00:25:37.640fact about the Kurdish groups in Syria is that they're Marxists and you had dozens, if not0.76
00:25:43.720hundreds of members of Antifa go to Syria to get training from these Kurdish communists,
00:25:50.560who, by the way, were supported in training themselves by American special forces.
00:25:55.880Yeah, there's a guy by the name of—we talked about this on the program the other day. There's
00:26:00.420a guy by the name of Daniel Allen Baker, who is a former U.S. military member, U.S. Army. He
00:26:09.320He basically left, went over for training with YPG and the Kurds, then got battlefield training, came back to the United States and participated in the armed blockade of Chaz.
00:26:20.700He also, it's highly suspected, participated in the shooting of those black kids that were joyriding and now is in prison in Florida, yet has never once been charged.
00:26:31.300Dan, I could go off on this and you, by the way, Peter Zahan was who I was thinking of.0.99
00:26:35.820I couldn't think of that idiot's name off the top of my head there,0.99
00:26:38.300who Jack Carr is just absolutely in love with.1.00
00:26:40.720I want to know, what is Jack Carr getting Peter Zahan for Christmas?
00:26:44.520Are they going to kiss under the mistletoe?
00:28:10.100And he came out with this post, said that he's parting ways with the WWE and he refuses to work with the WWE because he is, you know,
00:28:20.540he views them as too close to Trump and Linda McMahon is in the admin and that, you know, doesn't like what Trump's doing, et cetera, et cetera.
00:28:29.540But what's what's crazy, though, of course, is that obviously Trump has been close with WWE for years.
00:28:37.700Battle of the Billionaires was over a decade ago when he was in the ring.
00:28:43.600He was booking events and promoting events with Hogan and the Giant decades ago.
00:28:48.760So, I mean, it's suddenly all, you know, all of a sudden mankind is out there.
00:28:52.800So so I posted this tweet up. I say mankind Mick Foley, who's a guy who's known for being hit in the head and taking more bumps to the head than any single other person in wrestling who literally has, you know, the most head damage is the guy who's also the most liberal.
00:29:11.660Draw your own conclusion. So I posted that up, you know, slapping back on him, clapping back.
00:29:17.660And then Jim Cornette, corny, out of the wrestling world, comes in and he's like,
00:29:40.920So you see this a lot from the left where they will refer to Trump supporters as subhuman maggots.0.97
00:29:48.260And I responded that in kind to say, well, actually, Jim, aren't you literally known as a guy who was in, you know, perhaps most euphemistically way I could put it in an who had been in an open marriage in the 1980s and was known for using a certain chair in a certain room when people would gather in that room for certain, shall we say, extramarital activities.
00:30:14.860So it's kind of interesting hearing this guy want to moralize guys used, you know, and by the way, like, you know, I'm not one to sort of like tone police.
00:30:23.500But here's a guy who walks up and tells us he's all the most righteous person in the world.
00:30:27.480And you got videos of him saying all sorts of stuff over the years.
00:30:31.140So I call him out. I say, Courtney, you want to talk? Come talk.
00:30:34.440Come face me on in Phoenix, Arizona. Come to the AmFest stage.
00:30:38.520I'll book your flight because we know you're broke as a joke. You've been broke since the 90s.
00:36:08.200You know, you have guys who are headliners, Scott Pressler, Cliff Maloney, who are going to be giving breakout sessions along with other organizations, Moms for Liberty, College Republicans of America.
00:36:19.540So, look, this is a strategy session, days long.
00:36:22.680It's not just a conference, but also it's kind of a little bit of a concert.
00:36:26.560You know, you have your musical artists, of course, country artists performing.
00:36:29.940You have a huge faith component, some faith artists that are performing.
00:36:34.420You even have a Eucharistic celebration.
00:36:36.460I heard that you're leading alongside a father out here.
00:38:48.760It's not going to be—it will be a long line, but it does move quickly because, of course, Turning Point staff knows how to get it done.
00:38:56.160well and i heard that i know brick suit was there yesterday he said he was checked in
00:39:00.900in less than 10 minutes he said it was really great um what are we expecting in terms of
00:39:06.700numbers for the event are you able to share any of that yet yes again i can share at this point
00:39:12.980in time that there are 30 000 attendees that will be here i mean a thousand okay 30 000 right
00:39:18.980yes a thousand of them are alone or either they're politicians um or they work for politicians
00:39:24.620Just to give you a little bit of an insight to, you know, the level of the high level of strategic insight from conservatives that will be here.
00:39:32.440Again, there's Christian organizations.
00:39:34.300There's Fortune 500 companies, 400 media companies that are also here.
00:39:39.060There's not there's no other event that quite blends the types of industry the way that America Fest does while also really giving everyone a voice to kind of be a leader.
00:39:49.680And, of course, our leader, Charlie, is not here, which is something that is certainly felt.
00:39:56.040Turning Point does a good job with displays.
00:39:58.020There are quite a bit of good displays about Charlie.
00:40:00.900But, you know, as a member of staff, you know, Charlie would always give us a motivational speech that would quite literally make us willing to run through a wall to make this conference go off without a hitch.
00:40:12.800And Erica delivered that speech yesterday.
00:40:17.480But of course, you know, we played a Charlie video that did make me tear up.
00:40:21.060It's hard to deny and not to acknowledge the void that's left by Charlie, who was quite literally the best among us.
00:40:29.460But, you know, we're all doing the best we can. And certainly, you know, Turning Point, we feel the support.
00:40:34.760We feel the support from the donor organizations, from sponsors and from the size of this event.
00:40:40.760And our goal, of course, is to continue the legacy of Charlie and make sure that it's something that people will talk about and it's something that people will want to come back to next year.
00:40:50.140I also have another interesting stat, Jack, that I can share with you.
00:40:53.020Over 80 percent of people, this is their first time at a Turning Point event.
00:40:57.620point event you know that's we've been going to i i've been at some like regional smaller events
00:41:06.380um with for turning point down florida new jersey some other spots asu you know throughout the last
00:41:13.720couple of weeks the last couple of months since charlie's assassination and one of the things
00:41:19.280that i've noticed as well is that you're right that more and more people are showing up saying
00:41:24.380This is my first turning point event. I've never been a turning point before, but I heard about it and I want to be a part of it.
00:41:29.620And so that doesn't surprise me. This sold out within minutes, you know, really of us putting it up.
00:41:37.620And I could see attendees and workers coming in behind you there for AmFest and speak to me a little bit about, you know,
00:41:45.780And I said in the opening here of the whole show that the the worst thing we could possibly do for Charlie's legacy would be to quit and close up shop and shut down operations because that wasn't what Charlie was about.
00:42:03.940No, Charlie was about scratching and clawing for every last vote, every last potential donor, whatever department you were with was turning point.
00:42:12.460You know, he certainly motivated you to do all you can.
00:42:15.820You know, certainly, Jack, we've noticed how you've stepped up in a big way and how you've really embodied that.
00:42:20.040And that's what we've all really tried to do on a micro scale as well, is do a little bit more.
00:42:25.100And, of course, you know, we've always thought that this mission was important.
00:42:29.380But when we consider that after the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk, this mission is even more important.
00:42:35.160You know, everything we've done is 10 times more important, which means we really all have to kind of dig deep and do all we can.
00:42:42.180not just in terms of effort that we put out, but also in terms of showing grace to the opposition,
00:42:48.360to some of our enemies, figuring out a way to persuade in the way that Charlie did.
00:42:53.620That's why he was really the best of us is because he would really he'd always have the words and he'd always have the decorum.
00:42:59.960He'd always know the appropriate way to respond to anything. And, you know, we're all trying to get there like Charlie.
00:43:06.060well i think that's right and and look charlie it's you you can't talk about turning point
00:43:13.560without talking about charlie kirk i mean they're almost synonymous and in a way you know i could
00:43:19.860get very metaphysical with this in the sense that you know charlie has it i will you know what i just
00:43:27.020will because look charlie's a believer we're all believers fine charlie physically has left us but
00:43:34.940Charlie spiritually is still with us. And Charlie's spirit still lives on. We, as Christians,
00:43:41.480we believe that Charlie's spirit is in heaven right now with his heavenly father, with his
00:43:46.420creator, with the king of the universe, Jesus Christ. And what's interesting though, is that
00:43:52.060his spirit still animates the organization that he left behind. And that organization
00:43:58.360is Turning Point USA. So in a very metaphysical sense, not a physical sense, but in a metaphysical
00:44:04.860sense, as long as Turning Point is still going, as long as Turning Point is still strong, as long
00:44:09.920as the Republic is still standing, then Charlie Kirk's fight is still with us. And that the
00:44:15.580Charlie Kirk spirit, I like that, the Charlie Kirk spirit will never die as long as we don't
00:44:22.520let it die. Sorry to get a little theological on a Friday, but sometimes you have to, you know what
00:44:27.400I'm saying? You absolutely have to. And I think that's absolutely spot on. You think of the ways
00:44:32.580that you try to of course remember Charlie the things you try to I mean I know in my home I have
00:44:37.060on both sides of my office I have a memento to Charlie and one of his quotes and certainly
00:44:42.280sometimes when I'm under the gun there's so many things happening I feel stressed I feel anxious
00:44:47.460or you know there's big deadlines coming I look at that and I dig a little bit deeper so I that's
00:44:53.960just an example of the way Charlie's spirit lives on and certainly those of us who are Christian
00:44:58.900which is, of course, many of us, you know, we feel Charlie around us.
00:45:03.340We feel Charlie telling us that what we're doing to fight for his legacy is the right thing to do.
00:45:09.740And, you know, if we're feeling that, I can only imagine what the Kirk family is feeling.
00:45:15.880And with Erica, of course, taking over duties, you know, she's not hiding.
00:45:21.720You know, she's not just appearing to take over duties.
00:45:26.380You see her, you know, we see her. We've seen her at the convention center. We've seen her at headquarters.
00:45:30.760So when you see Erica taking on Charlie's spirit, of course, in that way, it's just a no brainer for all of us to follow suit because we are 100 percent behind Erica.
00:45:40.440And, you know, we know that Charlie's decision and his wishes to, you know, have Erica lead this organization so far has been a great decision.
00:46:08.980But the point is, this is someone who's got the strength, who's got the resilience and has been.
00:46:15.180And it sounds cliche when I say this, but she if if she had not stepped up when she had, I don't know if Turning Point would have would have been able to weather the storm of those first couple of weeks, the hardest possible weeks.
00:46:27.640And I remember I was there. You were there. We were all there. And everyone was just had been rocked just emotionally, spiritually, physically at their limits.
00:46:37.160And it was Erica. It was Erica who and her strength carried everyone forward.
00:46:42.200And people said, you know what, if Erica can do it, we can do it.
00:46:44.540And for all the guys around, right, for all the guys around, that's your duty to step up.
00:46:50.860Because when one of your brothers goes down, that's what you just do.