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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth-generation warfare.

00:00:40.040 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:46.960 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:50.380 Christ is king!

00:00:52.180 All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's Human Events special.

00:00:55.820 We're going to take you inside AmFest.

00:00:58.240 And so a lot of the stuff that we did while we were at AmFest, the content that we got, the interviews that I conducted, we put them out on social media, but we wanted to make sure that we actually included them here on the program as well.

00:01:12.340 So what we've done with this episode, we've put two together.

00:01:15.780 We've got one interview that I did and then one panel.

00:01:18.720 So we'll start with one and we'll move to the other.

00:01:20.900 And first up, you've got my interview with Megyn Kelly.

00:01:24.360 Now, you may have seen clips of this.

00:01:26.300 A lot of people were very critical of things that Megan said, as well as a lot of people were very supportive of things that Megan said.

00:01:33.640 Certainly was a controversial interview, to say the least.

00:01:37.360 And so, look, for those of us who were there, myself as the interviewer, I'm not going to put words in Megan's mouth.

00:01:43.940 I'm going to let you watch it.

00:01:44.960 And then right after that, an interview with the Catholic panel.

00:01:47.980 So stay tuned.

00:01:49.420 Take you back to AmFest.

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00:02:33.980 Ladies and gentlemen, we're here with Megan Kelly at AmFest 2025.

00:02:40.320 Just when you think Turning Point can't go next level on the walkout, they can.

00:02:44.880 They can shift to 11.

00:02:45.880 And Megan, I've got to ask, how does it feel to be on this stage without Charlie?

00:02:52.920 Oh, like you, Jack, I miss him so much.

00:02:57.260 And this is how we would always do it, right?

00:02:59.120 Because just for me, I prefer a Q&A.

00:03:01.400 I just think it's more interesting than a speech.

00:03:04.420 And we would sit at all of these things.

00:03:06.900 And he was always so great, not to make you feel nervous, but he always knew exactly what

00:03:11.660 question to ask.

00:03:13.740 How to get you up and down in a story.

00:03:15.880 He had a very good judgment for what was interesting to the audience, too, and was always so generous with his time and his, you know, his approach.

00:03:22.420 So that, of course, I'm going to miss, but I can't believe it's been three months.

00:03:27.860 In some ways, it feels like yesterday, and in some ways, it feels like another lifetime that we've seen him, right?

00:03:33.080 Somebody brought up a, you know, an event I was at just a few days before Charlie's murder.

00:03:39.720 And I remember thinking to myself, we were sitting, we were having lunch, and everything was totally normal.

00:03:47.300 Everything was just normal life.

00:03:50.060 And then suddenly God snaps his fingers and shows you that you are not in control, that he is in control, that you are a spectator, you are a reactor.

00:04:02.580 You are someone who is living out God's will.

00:04:05.880 and I think that's one of the biggest things for me that I've been, and look, you know, it's not

00:04:12.440 easy doing all this, but one of the things that I've been working hard to remember that God's will

00:04:18.380 is absolutely paramount in all of this. I know, we don't have it all figured out.

00:04:24.820 I mean, I'll tell you, I was backstage a little while ago and I went to see Erica in her green

00:04:32.320 room and you know she's so strong and she's the picture of class but she was alone you know and

00:04:41.520 I saw her I met her for the first time backstage at one of these events and she was with just their

00:04:47.980 daughter uh who was just a baby at the time they didn't have their little boy yet and she was

00:04:53.380 seated she looked so beautiful she had her baby with her Charlie was in and out of everything it

00:04:57.880 was crazy it was we were in Florida he was like sweaty and she was just like an angel sitting

00:05:03.000 there in the middle of the chaos like completely managing it and nonplussed and I just couldn't 0.98

00:05:08.200 help with seeing her backstage alone thinking this it doesn't feel right you know she she

00:05:14.160 shouldn't be alone she should be with the love of her life and that's why we have to make sure

00:05:19.400 we get justice for the man who took him. Absolutely. And Megan, you were talking about

00:05:28.240 this on your show recently, and you and I had a little conversation about it as well. And you said,

00:05:34.960 you know, can a Christian want that kind of justice? And can a Christian believe in that 0.99

00:05:42.140 kind of justice? That's a great question. It's something a lot of people wrestle with. 0.98

00:05:46.520 And the Bible tells us that the sovereign is given the sword to wield justly.

00:05:56.300 And so when you talk about things like the death penalty, when you talk about things like capital punishment,

00:06:02.560 we understand that it is not done out of vengeance.

00:06:07.000 It is not done out of anger.

00:06:09.320 It is done, as Charlie said himself, out of valuing the life of the victim and showing that that life had worth, showing that that life had value.

00:06:19.520 And by the way, it is a way to start to repay, I believe, as a way to start to repay the debt that's incurred by every single moment that was stolen from Erica, from his daughter, for his son, for every single Christmas, for every single holiday, for every single birthday,

00:06:37.620 for every single baseball that'll never be thrown and caught, for not being able to walk

00:06:42.500 his little girl down the aisle, that's a debt that needs to be paid.

00:06:46.720 That's right, Jack.

00:06:47.580 And that's to say nothing of the debt that is owed to all of us, to everyone who is sitting

00:06:54.380 here, who knew and loved Charlie in whatever way it worked for you.

00:07:00.260 I mean, if Charlie could see this, he would be so proud.

00:07:02.640 He would be so happy, be so lifted up.

00:07:07.620 by all of you. But we've all been robbed. We've all been cheated. And so, yes, we will both be

00:07:12.260 watching that trial minute by minute, and I believe justice will be done.

00:07:17.700 I think it will. And, you know, I do believe that Charlie is watching us right now.

00:07:22.980 And I'm sure up in heaven—I'm not sure quite what the radio schedule is,

00:07:27.380 but I think Charlie's probably on from 9 to noon, and then from noon to 3 is Rush.

00:07:33.460 That's amazing.

00:07:34.340 and of course they do a handoff

00:07:37.500 because why not but Megan

00:07:38.800 one of the things that's come up

00:07:41.400 in the wake of all of this and you know

00:07:43.520 people have said there's so

00:07:45.440 much division in the movement and

00:07:47.400 you know is there divisiveness

00:07:49.320 are there two sides are there fractures

00:07:51.320 coming up there is division

00:07:53.100 and Charlie was that uniter

00:07:54.840 so I'll just ask you the question as

00:07:57.120 interviewing here today do you think

00:07:59.620 that there has been an inseparable

00:08:01.600 rift in the conservative

00:08:03.280 movement that we've seen since the death of Charlie?

00:08:07.000 I mean, there's a rift, but it was starting even before we lost Charlie, and it revolves

00:08:12.180 around Israel. 0.86

00:08:14.420 There just is.

00:08:16.080 It's gotten worse without him.

00:08:18.400 He was helping us navigate it, and this is another area in which I miss him so much because

00:08:23.620 I feel like Charlie and I were completely in lockstep on this, and you guys may have

00:08:29.640 seen the episode that we put out, what we re-released of Charlie and yours truly talking

00:08:35.200 about Israel weeks before he died, where we had a really powerful heart-to-heart on where

00:08:44.240 we both were, who we were both ardent Israel supporters and had both been extremely defensive

00:08:50.080 of American Jewish people on college campuses getting harassed and those hostage pictures

00:08:54.900 getting torn down and very outspoken about it and horrified by it.

00:08:59.060 And then we had a discussion at the Student Action Summit in July where there was a passing

00:09:04.480 comment about if Epstein was an intel asset, whose would he have been, which Charlie asked

00:09:10.060 me.

00:09:11.120 And I said it would make sense that it was the Israelis, since he was very close with

00:09:16.120 the former prime minister and the former president.

00:09:19.220 And then we both got called anti-Semites, like by some legitimate Jewish organizations for that conversation. 0.95

00:09:26.360 By the way, Benjamin Netanyahu would go on to say, I was right.

00:09:31.140 And we were both on our heels.

00:09:33.180 But Charlie was with young people every day for a living, in particular young Republicans.

00:09:38.360 And he was seeing what I was seeing in my neck of the conservative woods, which was, this party's changing on the issue of Israel.

00:09:46.560 I mean when I was at Fox you supported Israel period like no one was really interested in your

00:09:52.620 actual opinion you just supported Israel which was fine for me because I did but the party started

00:09:58.740 to turn after 10-7 uniform support and sympathy for Israel in 10-7 but as the war went on two years

00:10:05.540 later people were starting to turn on them it felt like too much and then we were under pressure get

00:10:13.320 involved, we had the Iran bombing and so on, and the pressure started to mount on those

00:10:18.580 of us who were pro-Israel to not allow the doubters their say, to try to censor them

00:10:25.440 or disagree with them publicly or call them out, and neither Charlie nor I felt like that

00:10:29.380 was what we wanted to do at all, nor was it our job.

00:10:33.040 We're not the policemen of the conservative movement, I'm not, he wasn't, Ben Shapiro

00:10:37.720 isn't either. Well, Megan, you mentioned him, and your name came up on this stage last night in

00:10:49.280 regards to pretty much all of this. Would you like the opportunity to respond? Well, I found it kind

00:10:57.020 of funny that Ben thinks he has the power to decide who gets excommunicated from the conservative

00:11:02.380 movement, which shows a willful blindness about his position in it. It reminded me a little of

00:11:09.740 when the girl who was the head of our middle school chorus told me she was going to take all

00:11:14.680 my friends away from me. Chorus? A head cheerleader maybe, but like. So I resent the whole thing. I 1.00

00:11:24.500 object to the whole thing. Ben and I, he had the nerve to call me a friend right before he called

00:11:28.540 me a despicable coward for not calling out the people he wants called out.

00:11:33.620 So he both wants to parent me and be my child. 0.89

00:11:36.600 He wants to tell me what I have to do and who I have to say what to.

00:11:41.040 And then when I don't, he and some of his friends want to act like utter victims because

00:11:45.760 I won't do what they say.

00:11:46.880 They need me.

00:11:47.880 I have to be their daddy and step in to protect them.

00:11:50.820 And I am not their daddy.

00:11:53.080 And I resent that he thinks he's in a position to decide who must say what to whom and when.

00:11:59.160 Thank you.

00:12:01.620 So, I don't think we are friends anymore.

00:12:06.580 I've been a very good friend to Ben.

00:12:08.720 Nobody knew who the heck Ben Shapiro was when I started putting him on my shows on the Fox News channel.

00:12:14.100 And I helped make him a star.

00:12:16.140 And I've been very, very good to Ben over the years.

00:12:18.120 And he's been good to me, too.

00:12:19.520 He just recently came on my tour, as did you.

00:12:21.400 and I gave him the most kind introduction I could possibly give him

00:12:25.880 because I know that he's losing subscribers a lot.

00:12:29.740 And so I tried to do something nice for him

00:12:32.020 by giving him a long 10-minute intro and personally vouching for him

00:12:34.840 and we mixed it up on Israel out on stage.

00:12:39.020 It wasn't Israel because we're on the same place on Israel.

00:12:41.120 We mixed it up over whether Tucker Carlson should be excommunicated

00:12:44.380 from the conservative movement, which I do not believe.

00:12:48.560 And thank you.

00:12:51.400 And when it was over, we hugged, said goodbye, and then we had a nice text exchange a couple days later saying our friendship was important to us.

00:13:00.480 And the next thing I saw was him attacking me on stage last night as a coward.

00:13:05.140 So that's not friendship, and I think that's fine with me, with friends like that.

00:13:11.200 There was also, there was also some response where it seemed like that call was being co-signed

00:13:20.340 by the new head of CBS News, Barry Weiss, and I wanted to know if you wanted to respond

00:13:26.040 to that as well.

00:13:27.940 So it's a similar situation with Barry.

00:13:31.020 None of this is about them calling me out for anything I've said or haven't said, or

00:13:35.580 it's certainly not about Erica Kirk, as Ben tried to make it sound last night.

00:13:40.080 It's about Israel.

00:13:41.200 So those two are very pro-ardent Israel activists, which is fine, but they don't get to dictate 0.69

00:13:47.200 how the rest of us feel about Israel or what we do with respect to our friends and our 0.89

00:13:51.240 friends' opinions on Israel.

00:13:53.520 And I'll tell you, you know, Barry Weiss wants to couch herself as Erica's protector, Erica's

00:14:02.220 defender.

00:14:03.480 She's retweeting the Ben speech, saying anybody who doesn't call out conspiracy theorists 0.95

00:14:08.820 is a coward.

00:14:10.400 Erica Kirk barely knows Barry Weiss. 0.99

00:14:13.600 Barry doesn't know anything about Erica.

00:14:16.260 Barry Weiss has never been to a Turning Point event.

00:14:18.380 Do you guys remember her here?

00:14:20.080 Standing up for what we believe in when Charlie was alive?

00:14:23.220 I don't remember her standing up for our principles.

00:14:25.720 I don't remember her defending Charlie,

00:14:27.160 the many times he was called a racist or an anti-Semite.

00:14:30.640 I really don't remember that at all.

00:14:32.100 What I do remember is she had Erica Kirk come on one town hall

00:14:36.040 in which Barry Weiss tried to play both super important VIP executive

00:14:41.420 and super fabulous star anchor at her new network CBS, Pro Tip Barry.

00:14:47.420 That's no way to win friends at your new organization 1.00

00:14:49.960 to try to steal all the hosting abilities of the on-air talent.

00:14:54.080 So good luck with that. 0.69

00:14:55.620 And what she did when she had Erica there

00:14:57.660 was to have the nerve to bring on the man who asked the final question of Charlie

00:15:04.860 right before he got shot. Hunter Kozak. To put Erica in the position of having to defend whether

00:15:11.480 Trump uses hateful rhetoric. The nerve. I'll just say I didn't appreciate when I saw that that

00:15:20.360 happened. And I don't think that that ever should have happened. I don't think that question should

00:15:24.280 have been asked. And I noticed that when Hunter Kozak did that, he immediately went to try to get

00:15:30.420 Erica to denounce Trump, denounce his rhetoric. This is a man who was standing in front of Charlie,

00:15:37.440 in front of her husband when he died. And he never once even said to her the basic human

00:15:43.140 decency of saying, I'm sorry for your loss. It was sick. And that was a very, a very wise move

00:15:50.340 because trust me, I've done town halls. You know who the questioners are and you know what the

00:15:54.040 questions are in advance in that setting. So she knew it was coming and she thought it was

00:15:57.860 appropriate to have Charlie's widow answer for Trump's violent rhetoric.

00:16:04.420 I'm sorry, that's disrespectful, and I will not be taking any lessons from Barry Weiss

00:16:08.640 in how to treat Erica or anyone else.

00:16:11.320 All right.

00:16:14.000 So, since we're spilling all the tea tonight...

00:16:18.640 Tea, I did not want spilled, for the record.

00:16:21.200 I kept my powder dry until I was attacked publicly.

00:16:23.500 Hey, they said I could interview you, so I'm asking all the questions here.

00:16:25.620 We're turning the tables on Megyn Kelly for once.

00:16:28.800 So, Megyn, you mentioned something on your show recently that I know a lot of people

00:16:35.260 have been chatting about.

00:16:36.260 There's been a lot of chatter about this.

00:16:38.380 The sit-down, the peace summit heard around the world between Candace Owens and Erica

00:16:45.140 Kirk.

00:16:46.140 And you mentioned that you played a role in brokering this.

00:16:49.860 Tell us the story, if you would.

00:16:52.060 well, Erica has asked me to tell the story

00:16:55.720 and is fine with me telling the story, so I will.

00:16:58.440 Otherwise, I would not have gotten into the details.

00:17:03.760 So from the beginning of Candace's programming on this,

00:17:10.820 I've been in touch with Turning Point.

00:17:13.160 And I know you have, too.

00:17:14.140 We've all talked about it behind the scenes.

00:17:16.880 But I've had long, long conversations with everybody

00:17:19.520 at the highest levels on how to handle this.

00:17:21.220 And I think everybody was confused about what the next right move was.

00:17:27.220 Because it was so extraordinary.

00:17:29.220 And I'm not going to get into the substance of those discussions,

00:17:32.220 but suffice it to say that I think everyone felt the best course initially was to try to just rise above it

00:17:39.220 and not respond in a tit-for-tat manner.

00:17:43.220 And as it went on, it started to get more and more problematic for Turning Point for

00:17:52.940 Erica and so on. 0.52

00:17:53.780 And Erica called me and said, I want to do a sit down with Candice and I want you to 1.00

00:17:59.460 moderate it.

00:18:01.160 And I said, what?

00:18:04.180 Say what?

00:18:06.180 And I said, you know, she said a word from you would silence her on this forever.

00:18:11.300 It doesn't have to be an oral word.

00:18:14.420 It could be like a text or an email.

00:18:16.640 Maybe that's the best way to see if we can put this to bed.

00:18:20.760 But Erica really felt that they should sit down together face to face.

00:18:23.980 And I've gotten to know Candace a little better over the past months.

00:18:26.340 And I actually thought she might do it.

00:18:27.840 Like, I wasn't sure, but I don't know.

00:18:29.500 An invitation from Erica would be hard to resist.

00:18:32.600 And she said, you know, would you please come and facilitate it, really?

00:18:36.420 Just like they were going to have the discussion.

00:18:38.020 But Erica's thought, and Candace originally wanted to do this too, was for them to live stream this out that same Monday that the Turning Point guys were going to live stream their event.

00:18:50.380 And, of course, I'm like, oh, my mother of God, what am I getting myself into?

00:18:56.040 But I actually felt, I felt like it was divine right order.

00:18:59.700 And I have to tell you, Jack, I've prayed so many times, so many times to Charlie and to God to give me the right guidance on how to handle this whole thing.

00:19:06.940 the fracture within the conservative movement,

00:19:09.320 my friends turning on me because I won't call out my other friends,

00:19:12.120 like Tucker, this dust-up between Candace and Erica,

00:19:15.680 and Turning Point and Candace, which is fraught,

00:19:19.520 and yet I understand, I know people are very angry at Candace right now,

00:19:23.920 and I understand it, but I have to say,

00:19:25.320 and Ben, yet another thing he mocked me for was saying she was a young mother,

00:19:28.700 but Candace had, like, literally just had a baby.

00:19:31.300 And I'm sorry, maybe Ben doesn't understand, 0.61

00:19:33.900 but that is a vulnerable position for a woman,

00:19:35.640 and then her friend got shot in the neck 1.00

00:19:37.520 and so I did think she deserved

00:19:39.720 a wide berth right after Charlie's

00:19:42.080 death to explore what she

00:19:44.020 wanted to explore. I had real empathy for her

00:19:46.140 and of course I don't agree with

00:19:47.960 what she's said about turning point Erica

00:19:49.900 and she knows that. But my point

00:19:51.960 was simply that I thought

00:19:54.140 maybe Charlie

00:19:55.620 helped me understand to keep my powder dry

00:19:58.060 and the whole thing so that maybe I could be in a position

00:20:00.100 to help it happen. It's what Erica wants

00:20:01.960 maybe Candace does want an off ramp

00:20:04.000 and I'm willing to try.

00:20:06.620 So Candace and I were in touch

00:20:07.660 and she was very nice.

00:20:09.420 She said, I'm thrilled it's you.

00:20:11.800 I'll do it.

00:20:13.340 So they were going to do it out here in Arizona

00:20:15.180 and then there was a security issue, Candace said,

00:20:18.360 that she said she couldn't come.

00:20:21.100 And then Erica said, I'll go to you.

00:20:23.840 I'll go to Nashville.

00:20:25.560 She's just extraordinary.

00:20:26.940 I mean, Erica's been all over the country

00:20:28.900 trying to honor Charlie's commitments on his book tour.

00:20:32.240 She was exhausted.

00:20:34.000 She had this coming up this week.

00:20:36.200 I mean, she's going through.

00:20:37.180 She has two babies at home.

00:20:38.800 She's now a single mother, too.

00:20:41.160 But she really wanted to put this to bed,

00:20:42.920 and so she said, I'll go to you.

00:20:44.140 And then it morphed into, let's not do the live stream.

00:20:47.080 Let's just do it, the two of us.

00:20:49.080 I thought that was great.

00:20:50.300 So they both went in there.

00:20:51.920 Erica brought a trusted friend and employee here,

00:20:54.580 and Candace had someone very close to her.

00:20:59.640 And they, by all accounts from both women,

00:21:02.380 had a very good meeting.

00:21:04.000 Now, will it last?

00:21:06.400 Where does it go from here?

00:21:08.000 I was joking earlier, like, what's more tenuous, the Gaza peace deal or this situation? 0.87

00:21:14.920 What I really want is for Candace to move on from Turning Point and Erica.

00:21:20.000 I have no problem with her asking questions, but not about them.

00:21:22.740 But I also object, for the record, to the people who have tried to shut Candace down entirely

00:21:32.120 on inquiring into what, if any, role did Israel have here?

00:21:38.660 And I want to make clear, I don't think Israel had any role.

00:21:41.200 I think Tyler Robinson killed Charlie.

00:21:43.980 My only question is whether there was some trans-TIFA element that helped him.

00:21:48.800 However, it's okay to ask questions about Israel.

00:21:53.740 And it was Andrew Colvette, the executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show,

00:21:57.940 who sent those texts to the FBI of Charlie's, from that private message.

00:22:03.940 It wasn't a text.

00:22:04.640 It was private messages, like a group chat, in which he said the Jewish donors 0.55

00:22:11.160 to Turning Point were driving him up on the wall and that he'd had it with them. 0.56

00:22:18.080 and that they were making demands of him

00:22:20.980 that he was not prepared to meet

00:22:22.100 and he was at his wits end

00:22:24.140 and he had told me personally

00:22:25.720 that he found their behavior

00:22:26.720 and I quote repulsive

00:22:27.900 so I was fine 0.84

00:22:30.740 again I don't think Israel had anything to do with it 0.84

00:22:33.560 but why did I have an obligation

00:22:35.380 to stop Candace from asking those questions

00:22:37.520 I didn't and I didn't call her out

00:22:40.040 because I favored her asking them

00:22:42.660 So then, Megan, what is the way forward?

00:22:52.760 What is the way forward for the right, for Turning Point?

00:22:56.740 Charlie is on assignment with God, Erica is here now, the organization is here now.

00:23:02.260 What is the way forward for the movement?

00:23:04.780 Look, I think we're far more united than we are divided.

00:23:09.900 And I think while-

00:23:10.900 I agree.

00:23:11.900 Yeah, I think we're far more united.

00:23:15.900 I mean, I would just put one final period on the pro-Israel activists,

00:23:19.260 which are not to be confused with regular Jewish Americans

00:23:22.400 who are lovely and don't run around trying to tell you what you can and cannot say. 1.00

00:23:26.060 But I think they need to stop being such ardent bullies

00:23:28.620 because it's dividing our movement.

00:23:30.920 Unnecessarily, over a country that is not ours.

00:23:33.560 Over Israel, not America.

00:23:34.820 We need to care about America. 0.74

00:23:36.720 America first is the principle that will get us through.

00:23:39.160 And I think we need to remember that the people who are literally killing us, like literally

00:23:44.460 killing us, are the ones who are the true enemy. 0.94

00:23:48.700 These crazy radical leftists are the ones about whom we need to worry, not our own side. 0.99

00:23:54.460 You know, Megan, we only have a couple of minutes left.

00:23:58.620 I just wanted to tell you, would you guys mind if I embarrassed Megan a little bit?

00:24:01.400 Would that be okay a little bit?

00:24:02.720 Just- hold on, hold on, I'll tell you a story, because it's actually embarrassing to me that

00:24:07.260 You don't know this, but about a decade ago when I was still in the military, when I was

00:24:12.720 in my Navy unit, we would be there in Navy intelligence, and of course in my office we

00:24:18.660 only watched Fox, right?

00:24:21.640 And every single day while we were watching there in the military, we'd be sitting and

00:24:27.020 we would have on the Kelly file.

00:24:29.960 And believe it or not, folks, I just want to let you know that the people of the military,

00:24:34.920 the people that I knew, people like me who were just guys who were serving.

00:24:38.420 We loved everything that you and all the people were doing to support us, to support the things

00:24:44.820 that we were doing, to support the patriotism that we thought that we had.

00:24:48.920 And keep in mind, this was under Obama.

00:24:50.980 So we were, in many cases, feeling very isolated, feeling very, you know, very looked aside

00:24:58.020 and blamed for a lot of the things that were going wrong when we realized that these were

00:25:01.960 political decisions that were happening.

00:25:03.680 Keep in mind, this is the era of Benghazi, this is the era of the drone strikes, et cetera,

00:25:07.860 et cetera.

00:25:08.860 So, I just wanted to say that I hope you know that there are so many people in the United

00:25:14.000 States military, in my state's law enforcement that would be out there watching you day in

00:25:18.660 and day out, and there still are today.

00:25:21.540 And we wanted to thank you for having our back.

00:25:23.600 Oh, Jack, that is so sweet.

00:25:25.800 The fact that you would put it- the thanks goes the other way.

00:25:30.200 It does not go from the military to the gang.

00:25:31.680 Now the embarrassing part?

00:25:33.120 Okay.

00:25:34.120 I'm going to admit it.

00:25:35.920 We used to kind of have like an office pool about Megan, and keep in mind, this is a couple

00:25:41.900 of guys in the military.

00:25:44.520 We always used to try to guess which color you would wear that day.

00:25:47.920 It being Fox, it was a high likelihood of neon, pink, red, or yellow.

00:25:53.560 I was always green.

00:25:54.560 I always went with Kelly Green for Megan Kelly.

00:25:57.280 The one thing that would have cost you the bed immediately was orange, because Roger

00:26:00.740 did not allow orange.

00:26:01.740 Oh, no.

00:26:02.740 Orange ever.

00:26:03.740 Black occasionally.

00:26:04.740 Black occasionally. 1.00

00:26:05.740 They didn't love black, but they would sometimes let you get away with it. 1.00

00:26:07.820 You know why?

00:26:08.820 Because there was a wardrobe leader there who really felt like the orange, like the

00:26:11.500 neon colors would pop.

00:26:13.020 So somebody who was channel surfing would see like, oh, bright pink and a blonde head. 0.97

00:26:17.800 I'll stop.

00:26:18.800 What does she have to say?

00:26:19.980 And lo and behold, that formula worked and Fox News became number one within a few short

00:26:23.200 years after launch.

00:26:24.200 There you go.

00:26:25.200 You know, I've tried that myself, but I don't really have the same effect, Megan.

00:26:29.100 No.

00:26:30.100 It's different in podcasting, but you have a voice for podcasting, Jack.

00:26:33.580 My dad says I have a voice for radio, too.

00:26:36.860 Megan, thank you so much for your leadership on this, for your guidance, for brokering

00:26:41.960 peace in a situation like this, for stepping up and being a leader when you could have

00:26:46.840 been divisive, when you could have taken sides.

00:26:49.460 But I'll say it from my side and you as well.

00:26:51.720 I'm on America's side, I'm on Turning Point's side, and I'm on Charlie's side.

00:26:56.020 Right on.

00:26:56.660 Same.

00:26:57.520 Same.

00:26:58.520 Sign me up.

00:26:59.180 Thank you all so much. 1.00

00:27:00.360 Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Megyn Kelly.

00:27:01.840 God bless.

00:27:05.540 Good morning, and thank you for attending our session,

00:27:09.240 Kneel for the Eucharist and Stand for Truth,

00:27:12.400 How to Inspire Catholics to Vote.

00:27:15.120 My name is Cindy Ketcherside, and this is Marcus Tork,

00:27:18.260 and we, along with Deb Cheatham,

00:27:20.780 are the co-chairs of the Catholic Action Network,

00:27:24.440 the Ballot Chasing Committee of Arizona Right to Life.

00:27:28.640 We have a lot to accomplish in a short time period this morning,

00:27:31.700 so unfortunately there will not be an answer and question period,

00:27:36.700 but our panelists and the committee will stay afterwards to answer any kind of questions you may have.

00:27:43.520 We're going to start our session with Marcus giving an overview on Catholic ballot chasing

00:27:48.420 that we used in 2024 and we will be using again in 2026.

00:27:54.200 Then we'll move to a panel discussion, followed by the most important part of our session,

00:27:59.800 the Eucharistic Adoration.

00:28:07.080 And a quick reminder, please join us at St. Mary Basilica,

00:28:12.120 Vigil Mass today at 5 o'clock.

00:28:14.800 And if you don't know where St. Mary's is, just stand outside and look north.

00:28:19.900 So you'll be able to see it, and you hear her bells toll all the time.

00:28:24.740 Marcus will now give us an overview of the Catholic Action Network ballot chasing process.

00:28:31.540 Marcus.

00:28:43.340 Good morning.

00:28:44.180 So I just want to go over and share a few of the Catholic Action Network's accomplishments from the last election.

00:28:51.200 We moved disengaged Catholic Republican voters from a 20% voting rate in 2020 to an 87% voting rate in 2024.

00:29:00.800 We did it with God's help and partnering with Turning Point to create a specific section of disengaged Catholic registered Republican voters in the Turning Point app.

00:29:16.360 We recruited captains from our 96 Catholic parishes around the diocese.

00:29:20.800 We organized and implemented voter registration at our parishes, called and texted Catholic-specific scripts for disengaged Catholic Republican voters.

00:29:33.680 We mailed 12,000 Catholic-themed voter information postcards to disengaged Catholic Republican voters.

00:29:41.080 On election day, we called and texted Catholic Republicans shown as not having voted yet in the election,

00:29:47.860 contacted them and made sure that they knew where they could go to vote

00:29:51.520 and urged them to get out, cast their votes, and bring their faith into the public square. 0.54

00:29:57.660 For 2026, we can win the midterms by ballot chasing, again, disengaged Catholic Republican voters. 0.53

00:30:05.800 If you will, scan the code up here so that you can receive detailed information

00:30:09.960 on the Catholic Action Network Committee and our work with the Catholic Ballot Chase.

00:30:14.600 Thank you.

00:30:17.860 Marcus, thanks for the overview.

00:30:22.960 And as he said, taking Catholics and moving them from a 20% to an 85%, 0.52

00:30:29.740 we know that every state can do that.

00:30:33.340 We need to get Catholics in the public square. 0.96

00:30:35.580 We need to get Catholics to vote our morals and values. 1.00

00:30:39.280 So we can, we'll have this scan code back up at the end of our presentation 0.98

00:30:45.500 so you can get into that, and obviously we'll help you in any way we can.

00:30:51.880 Marcus, thanks for the overview, and now it's my honor to introduce our distinguished panelists.

00:30:58.760 I'd like to acknowledge a recent addition to our panel, Father John Parks,

00:31:04.900 and Father Parks is a respected priest within the Diocese of Phoenix.

00:31:09.640 He serves as the pastor of St. Joseph's Parish and is the prior director of evangelization for the diocese.

00:31:18.360 And something not a lot of people know is he is also a Hall of Famer, along with Erica Kirk, at Notre Dame Prep High School here in Scottsdale, Arizona.

00:31:38.000 Kelsey Reinhart.

00:31:39.640 the president and CEO of Catholic Vote, a graduate of Notre Dame University, and a former Dominican

00:31:47.300 sister. She served as a director of media and evangelization for Catholic Vote before becoming

00:31:54.140 the CEO in June of this year. Jose Pulido, president of learning and development, where he

00:32:07.720 He trains Catholics in communication skills to stand up for their faith and morals.

00:32:13.100 An alumnus of Yale University and a former political advisor in Washington, D.C.

00:32:23.420 Our final panelist, who really doesn't need an introduction, Jack Posobiec.

00:32:29.560 One of the most important parts is Jack is a devout Catholic, was a military intelligence officer, he's host of the podcast Human Events Daily, and most importantly, a member of the Turning Point Action Team.

00:32:51.600 and thank you panelists for being here with us to share your thoughts on how to inspire

00:33:02.960 Catholics to vote I'd like to start the conversation with this question

00:33:08.640 Kelsey what do you think is the greatest obstacle preventing Catholics from involvement in the

00:33:17.780 political, or at least even voting?

00:33:21.940 Wow, that's a great question.

00:33:23.320 Thank you so much, Cindy.

00:33:25.020 I want to start out maybe with the most important point,

00:33:28.180 that Catholics are the linchpin in every election. 0.61

00:33:31.320 In the last 50 years, every presidential election except for one 0.90

00:33:35.220 was decided by the Catholic vote.

00:33:37.600 That's because the Catholic vote is also a little bit swingy.

00:33:40.480 So you saw in the 2020 election, the Catholic vote went for Biden narrowly,

00:33:46.080 50 to 49. In the last election, it went 65% for Trump. So marshalling the Catholic vote is an

00:33:58.360 important aspect of what we do. Now, the question is a little bit difficult. I'm interested in

00:34:04.700 hearing what the other panelists have to say. Why is it so difficult for Catholics to vote when you

00:34:11.040 look at the numbers of evangelicals who vote versus Catholics. I have a hypothesis, probably

00:34:17.260 not applicable to this room, but that people have what I call a temptation to political pietism.

00:34:25.260 Politics is too messy. It's too dirty. I don't want to be involved. If I just pray and I go to 0.89

00:34:31.760 mass, why do I have to involve myself in this ring? Answering that question, I think, is going

00:34:38.740 to be definitively important when you go out and you invite people to be involved in

00:34:43.680 this process, which is a moral duty.

00:34:46.480 So I want to ask Jose, he might have a different thought here, and Jack, what they think the

00:34:51.580 greatest obstacle is, because it's certainly not just one answer.

00:34:56.360 Yes, confidence.

00:34:59.380 We as Catholics need to feel more confident, and we need to be able to give that confidence

00:35:04.520 to others.

00:35:05.720 When we look in Acts, we see that even at the very beginning of St. Paul's ministry,

00:35:11.660 he is being called to share the faith with Gentiles, kings, and Israelites.

00:35:18.020 And that's because of how he was prepared.

00:35:21.340 All of you here, whether it's Ali, Kim, other people, you are ready to share the faith.

00:35:29.440 You are ready to participate. You're ready to vote.

00:35:31.780 And the reason is, and I know this for sure, is because you can love.

00:35:38.160 You can love, God said so.

00:35:40.500 If you can talk to your family member at the Christmas dinner table,

00:35:44.960 if you can talk to your neighbor, if you can research things with charity,

00:35:51.320 you are prepared to do this.

00:35:53.920 You can love. You can love via your vote.

00:35:56.460 You can love via your conversation.

00:35:58.760 You can do this.

00:36:00.160 So Jack, how is voting an act of love?

00:36:02.880 You were resonating when I said it's a little bit despairing out there.

00:36:06.140 Political pietism is real. 0.97

00:36:07.400 What are your thoughts on this?

00:36:09.200 Well, thank you so much for again having me.

00:36:11.180 Thank you so much for everyone for being here on a Saturday morning.

00:36:14.260 I know it's early.

00:36:15.120 I know there's a lot to do.

00:36:16.520 But personally, I couldn't think of anything better to do this morning

00:36:19.640 to be here and give praise to our eternal creator

00:36:23.020 and our eternal savior, Jesus Christ, the king of the universe,

00:36:26.000 which we are about to do very shortly here at Adoration.

00:36:29.580 And that's why I made sure to be here as well.

00:36:35.420 I've got my family here, my very sleepy five-year-old in the front row.

00:36:40.680 And look, you know, when it comes to political piety, I also wanted to add because you see two sides of this.

00:36:48.560 Because on one side, you see the political piety of people saying, oh, I don't want to get involved in politics.

00:36:53.580 But then on another side, you see people who are so pious, they will say, oh, well, Donald Trump isn't, you know, Catholic enough, and he's not pro-life enough, and he's not this enough, so I'm not going to vote because I can't vote for a guy like that.

00:37:07.480 And I would say, I understand it. I get it. We're pushing him in the right direction.

00:37:12.060 But at the same time, if you don't come out, then Kamala Harris gets in because it is a binary.

00:37:17.500 You have to look at politics as it is not a vacuum. It is relative.

00:37:21.120 and if she gets she got in remember when she was in the united states senate what was she doing

00:37:25.900 she was demonizing the knights of columbus she was demonizing the little sisters of the poor

00:37:30.740 she was there when merrick garland and chris ray were sending the fbi after traditional catholics

00:37:37.200 who were praying their rosaries a little bit too hard and i said you know what you want to come for

00:37:42.400 me here's my rosary please come for me because this is absolutely key so you need to break that

00:37:47.560 and get people to understand that if we let Marxists win, 0.90

00:37:51.900 the Catholics are the ones they're going to come first for. 0.92

00:37:55.540 And in fact, they've already started, haven't they? 0.99

00:37:57.720 They've already started.

00:37:59.760 And what I would say then, to answer your question though, 0.72

00:38:03.540 how do you convert those Catholics from sort of just going to mass

00:38:07.280 to becoming politically active?

00:38:08.860 It's really simple.

00:38:10.520 And the way I teach it to my boys is I actually use

00:38:15.040 the Charlie Brown Christmas special to explain this the Charlie Brown Christmas special which

00:38:19.280 is my favorite and I think will always go down as the best one because we know of all the classic

00:38:24.120 Christmas specials that is the only one the only one where when he's asked about this question

00:38:31.880 what is the true meaning of Christmas Linus gets up in a public school in a public forum a secular

00:38:40.260 forum. And remember, this was the 1960s. So this was the height of the cultural revolution when

00:38:45.200 they were trying to drive God out of everywhere. He gets up and he says, and he just starts quoting

00:38:50.220 directly from Luke. And he explains the truth of the matter, that it was Jesus Christ as God's only

00:38:57.020 son who came to this world so that those who believe in him may be saved. That is the reason

00:39:02.020 for Christmas. And Linus's testimony in public meant that being a Christian, being a Catholic,

00:39:07.440 is not something that you just do behind closed doors

00:39:11.160 on a Sunday morning or Saturday vigil, right?

00:39:14.160 I know people are going to St. Mary's.

00:39:16.100 I have to check the schedule on that, sweetheart,

00:39:17.680 if we can make it.

00:39:18.420 But we'll probably be at St. Mary's

00:39:20.020 at some point this weekend, I'm sure. 1.00

00:39:21.740 You must become Catholics in public. 1.00

00:39:23.740 And so for me, look, I'm going to carry this wherever I go 0.99

00:39:27.460 because you need that spiritual defense

00:39:29.540 because we are living through spiritual warfare.

00:39:31.860 And don't be afraid.

00:39:33.220 And when people see you doing it, they will follow you.

00:39:36.100 They will follow.

00:39:37.440 Those are some powerful words.

00:39:39.300 Father Parks, what does the church teach about the involvement of the laity in the political sphere?

00:39:45.120 To put it simply, it's your job.

00:39:48.960 So thank you.

00:39:50.580 Wow.

00:39:51.780 He's good.

00:39:53.460 You should do this professionally.

00:39:57.440 So my job as a priest is to help form people in the Catholic faith to feed them spiritually through the sacraments of the church.

00:40:05.360 But at the end of the Mass, I say go and make disciples of all nations

00:40:08.820 or go and pronounce the gospel of God.

00:40:11.280 And the old Mass in Latin was ite misae est,

00:40:13.540 and ite is the command form in Latin.

00:40:15.820 So the priest is saying you've heard about Christ through the Scriptures,

00:40:18.740 you've received Christ through the Eucharist,

00:40:20.440 now be Christ through the world.

00:40:21.820 So to put it simply, the role of the laity

00:40:23.360 is to bring everything under the dominion of Christ.

00:40:26.260 There's an old saying that if Jesus is not the Lord of all,

00:40:28.820 he's not the Lord at all.

00:40:30.460 So if he's the Lord of every part of your life,

00:40:32.700 as Jack's saying, he's the Lord of my heart,

00:40:34.680 he's the Lord in my church, then when I'm a Catholic everywhere I go, that's not called

00:40:39.020 imposing my faith. That's called integrity. I'm the same person before God all throughout the

00:40:45.220 world. So the role of the laity is to form their conscience well, according to the Catholic faith,

00:40:49.820 and then to bring everything under the dominion of Christ to be salt and light in the world.

00:40:57.620 Can I actually, I'm talking out of turn, but something I heard recently about be salt and

00:41:04.040 light, and Dr. Terrell Marshall talks about this, be salt and light, go out there and be salty.

00:41:08.000 And what does salt and light do? This is so interesting. What do salt and light do? And

00:41:11.860 Christ calls us to be salt and light. Salt and light are both change agents. They change the

00:41:18.160 environment in which they're in. So salt can be a preservative. Salt can be a spice. Salt changes

00:41:24.220 the food. It changes the texture, the flavor, the quality of it. And what does light do? We all know

00:41:29.580 Light affects darkness.

00:41:31.400 Light gives us the ability to see.

00:41:33.420 So when he says be salt and light, it means change the environment in which you're in.

00:41:38.640 Very well said.

00:41:39.900 Very well said.

00:41:42.640 I would just add, building off of Father Park's comment, you know, Jesus didn't say go out to all the earth and stop at the ballot box.

00:41:50.800 You know, or stop at the public square. 0.91

00:41:53.000 And you look at what happens when Catholics absent themselves from the public square. 0.77

00:41:58.180 I mean, how is it possible that we're in a situation where we cannot understand the difference between men and women?

00:42:06.380 I mean, I played basketball for the University of Notre Dame.

00:42:08.920 You might have noticed I'm a little tall.

00:42:10.800 There are only six women, well, when I played, which was eons ago,

00:42:15.240 there were only six women in the history of the sport who could dunk.

00:42:18.200 And every sophomore boy over 5'10 spends his entire summer sophomore year learning how to dunk.

00:42:24.180 I mean, the fact that we cannot understand and live basic truths in the public square, that's a failure on our part.

00:42:32.880 And we need to accept responsibility because there are elements of the light, the truth, and the gospel that we need to be bringing to every aspect of the public square.

00:42:44.440 now Jose talk to us a little bit about how evangelization fits into this because you've

00:42:56.160 written a book how to evangelize anyone obviously there's probably some principles in here that apply

00:43:02.060 both to the political life and to the practice of proclamation of the gospel

00:43:08.740 Absolutely.

00:43:10.180 The key to evangelize is you have to start with love and end with love.

00:43:16.120 That's what the catechism says, even the one from 1566.

00:43:20.300 Start with love and end with love.

00:43:22.840 Now to do that, and this is why I'm so excited about this panel,

00:43:26.800 that we're basically warming up the stage for the Eucharist,

00:43:29.720 is you need to do two things.

00:43:31.840 You need to feel seen, and you need to feel hope.

00:43:37.760 Now, why do you need to feel seen?

00:43:40.640 All of you, all of you have done so many quiet sacrifices.

00:43:45.700 Quiet sacrifices, whether it's knocking on doors and them slamming on you,

00:43:50.320 whether it's proposing something to a family member and them hanging up on you.

00:43:55.220 Bring those things to the Eucharist.

00:43:58.380 Feel seen in front of Christ.

00:44:01.120 And after you are seen, after your sacrifice has been acknowledged,

00:44:05.220 after he says to you well done kim well done angie after that then start to see christ and what does

00:44:15.160 christ have he has a vision for you he has a vision and that is what if everyone every catholic was

00:44:22.700 heard what if every catholic was at the table what if every catholic could share what they believed

00:44:29.620 And people thought, not only, wow, that's important, but also, I'm so glad he spoke.

00:44:34.820 I'm so glad she spoke.

00:44:36.880 Be seen in front of the Eucharist and then receive his hope.

00:44:48.120 Now, Jack, I want to turn to you for just a second because one of the things that has fascinated me

00:44:53.540 is that our non-practicing Presbyterian president

00:44:57.020 has recognized the importance of prayer

00:44:59.740 and kicked off an entire initiative for America 250

00:45:03.300 called America Praise.

00:45:05.260 And what he's asking is for every person in this nation

00:45:08.620 to join him one hour a week in praying for the nation.

00:45:13.440 What insight does he have into the importance of prayer

00:45:17.160 for the recovery of our nation?

00:45:19.020 And why do you think this is so significant?

00:45:21.400 Well, that's a great question.

00:45:22.480 I actually had the honor, really, of joining this initiative, and the White House Faith

00:45:27.680 Office reached out to me and asked if I would come join the coalition's kickoff at the Museum

00:45:33.920 of the Bible in Washington, D.C., and if you guys haven't been there, it is the best museum

00:45:38.300 in all of Washington, D.C.

00:45:39.680 You have to go there.

00:45:40.880 You can skip the other ones.

00:45:42.180 It's amazing.

00:45:42.920 It's so awesome.

00:45:44.100 Jack-Jack, he's in the front.

00:45:45.140 Jack-Jack, do you like Museum of the Bible?

00:45:47.360 All right, good answer.

00:45:48.300 and and wait jack jack which play did we see there

00:45:53.640 the lion the witch in the wardrobe so they put on plays about narnia they put all their it's

00:46:00.080 fantastic look we need to understand that it is prayer it is the return to god to that will bring 0.65

00:46:06.600 our country forward because and as you said before you were mentioning you know uh this this trans

00:46:11.780 athletes and the switching of the genders and what is what is that really driven by right 0.85

00:46:16.480 it's driven by a denial of truth it's driven by a denial of truth and the acceptance of god

00:46:23.340 walk it backwards if you believe in god that means you believe the bible is true and if you

00:46:27.940 believe the bible is true then that you mean that means it must be written by the author who wrote

00:46:32.440 it must also be the author of truth which means that all truth was authored by god because he

00:46:39.180 authored everything so that when we return to god we are also returning to the truth and to have a

00:46:46.160 well-ordered a truly ordered society republic community town family it means that we are

00:46:54.060 ordering it based on god's truth and i believe that president trump no he's not catholic but

00:46:59.320 if you notice he's got melania around him he's got jd vance around him i pop in from time to time

00:47:06.020 so he's he's got a lot of cat marco rubio he's got a lot of catholics that are around him

00:47:12.420 And I think that they're working on him.

00:47:14.520 They're praying on him.

00:47:15.960 And let me just say, December 8th this year, when you saw what the White House put out,

00:47:22.300 a full-throated statement, a presidential proclamation praising our mother,

00:47:31.320 praising our lady, praising Mary on the date of the Immaculate Conception.

00:47:36.600 And when you think about it, and I'll just say it, I had tears in my eyes reading it,

00:47:40.080 because we went from just one year ago

00:47:44.040 when our president was, well, basically Barack Obama.

00:47:48.820 Think about it, think about it.

00:47:52.100 To right now, if you go to the official White House website

00:47:56.660 that you will see some of the most sacred words ever written

00:48:01.480 are right there on the official website

00:48:03.900 of the White House of the United States of America.

00:48:07.240 Hail Mary, full of grace.

00:48:09.300 It's there.

00:48:10.080 We've come a long way.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 22, 2025

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