Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - AmFest Exclusive - The Demise of Performative Politics

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00:00:40.040 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:46.960 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:50.320 Christ is king.

00:00:52.080 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's special edition of Human Events from AmFest.

00:00:58.200 Now, one of the breakout panels that we did, probably one of the most interesting ones, I think, at AmFest was something where it didn't get broadcast publicly, but we recorded it, and we wanted to turn that into an episode for you.

00:01:11.900 So it's myself, Rich Barris, the People's Pundit, Joshua Lysak, the greatest ghostwriter in the world, and towards the end, we get joined by Mark Mitchell, the honest pollster from Brasmussen Reports.

00:01:25.500 And it's a panel about performative politics and whether or not performative politics is hurting or helping in the current moment and really talking about where the movement is, where the MAGA movement is, where the Trump administration is.

00:01:42.680 So this one is going to cause some sparks and I think you're going to enjoy it.

00:01:47.400 Stay tuned.

00:01:48.860 Good morning, AmFest.

00:01:50.800 Wake up, pray up.

00:01:52.660 All right, let's sit down.

00:01:55.500 so today we're going to talk about the demise of performative politics and if you're in this room

00:02:01.680 right now i think you kind of already know what we're talking about who here and you could let's

00:02:08.280 do show of hands who here is sick of all the talk with no action okay that's a hundred percent we

00:02:15.140 would have 200 if i had said to put up both hands so we're here with rich barris he's the people's

00:02:21.040 he's been doing all the polling out there i love that i am charlie kirkshire right in the front we

00:02:25.340 love that we love that don't we love that folks and joshua lisek he's here and he's written joshua

00:02:32.780 how many books have you written at this point i just finished writing my 110th non-fiction book

00:02:36.980 110 books he's written joshua is the the world's most public ghost writer so you won't see those

00:02:44.580 books all with his name however multiple new york times bestsellers but he can't tell you what they

00:02:50.620 are yeah that's how it works but he's out of ohio and so being a man of ohio he was very close with

00:02:58.020 jd vance when he ran for senate he's been out there he's understood all of these uh these these

00:03:03.760 dynamics that have happened in the rust belt in these areas that led to the de-industrialization

00:03:08.640 because of globalization and then also the rise of populism and i would also note that he does

00:03:14.720 live right down the street from springfield ohio so joshua you're making sure to count the cats 0.65

00:03:19.620 because the Haitians are still kind of running around a little bit. 1.00

00:03:22.620 The population of domesticated felines does seem to be increasing recently. 0.97

00:03:28.040 Interesting. 0.63

00:03:28.700 So the feline population goes up as the Haitian population goes down. 0.99

00:03:32.320 An incredible correlation. 0.89

00:03:33.740 It's the inverse relationship.

00:03:34.620 It's the inverse relationship, yes, as you would say in the business.

00:03:37.640 And Mark Mitchell from Rasmussen is going to be joining us soon as well.

00:03:40.520 But, Rich, let's kick it off with you because you've been causing a stir lately.

00:03:44.420 People are saying, oh, Rich Parrish, he's crazy, he doesn't know anything.

00:03:47.900 He's making it all up.

00:03:49.180 what do you mean you know people are souring you're crazy Trump's numbers are the best ever

00:03:53.720 this is going great and yet I do see it online and I'll actually just tell you Rich

00:03:57.660 before we are out here we came out here I did an event where I was speaking out in Indiana in

00:04:03.560 Carmel Indiana we had a great group of people great group of patriots and I had one man who

00:04:08.180 got up and said I'm sick of all the talk with no action and he said Jack you need to promise me

00:04:16.240 that you'll go to AmFest and talk about those issues.

00:04:19.800 And I said, well, buddy, I'm doing a whole panel on it.

00:04:22.780 So I promise you I will.

00:04:24.820 So, Rich, where is that dynamic real?

00:04:28.440 Where is it coming from?

00:04:30.180 And how big are the numbers that you're seeing on this

00:04:32.860 when you're out in the field doing polling,

00:04:34.520 specifically, by the way, in those seven key swing states

00:04:37.920 that we know the Trump of the coalition

00:04:39.720 and MAGA and Charlie worked so much on in 2024?

00:04:43.320 Well, first, we'll talk after the breakout

00:04:45.120 about a ghost, right?

00:04:46.240 Oh, secondly, Jack, it is maybe a co-author. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Jack, it is real. I mean, I was right in 20. I was right in 20, 24, even 16 since the guy came down the golden escalator. I'm not wrong now.

00:04:59.080 There is this, I don't want to call it malaise, but there is this frustration because to so many of Donald Trump's voters, these people, by the way, who I talked with Charlie over so much about, they are Trump or bust or Trump's vision or bust, and they want really not much at all to do with the Republican Party.

00:05:20.280 And they have seen this first year, and in the first couple months, they loved it.

00:05:23.800 That's why his approval rating was skyrocketing.

00:05:25.640 Republicans on the generic ballot were leading for most of that year.

00:05:29.080 It's only recently that the Democrats took over.

00:05:32.080 And there's this feeling that towards the end of this first year,

00:05:35.200 the administration got a little bit sidelined.

00:05:36.900 They got distracted, and they didn't keep their eye on the ball.

00:05:40.060 These voters were always going to be the Republican Party's number one goal,

00:05:44.640 and they didn't even know it.

00:05:45.620 But you have to convince them that you're one of them and that you have to earn their vote, Jack.

00:05:52.140 And so you say the Trump-robust voter.

00:05:54.360 I remember when Charlie and I would talk about this all the time.

00:05:56.880 We're talking about those low-prop voters.

00:05:59.440 And a guy or a girl, a man or a woman, who's not going to come out for the generic Republican, the old-school Republican, the propositional nation Republican.

00:06:09.940 They're going to come out for Donald Trump.

00:06:11.740 They're going to come out for MAGA.

00:06:12.980 They're going to come out for a populist.

00:06:14.840 And they want to see that type of action. This is a working class. So so profile this type of voter for me, someone who doesn't normally get involved in politics, but gets so motivated to come out when Donald Trump's there.

00:06:26.400 You know, it's interesting because before during the nomination process this past year, the DeSantis campaign made the argument that I'm going to win back suburban women and that will account for not getting these people out who everybody they know they exist.

00:06:40.100 That was a false argument.

00:06:41.920 We're in a demographic change.

00:06:43.400 We're in a shift.

00:06:44.060 We're in a realignment.

00:06:45.040 The only way to win is to get these people out.

00:06:47.380 And they are deeply disgruntled with society.

00:06:50.240 They distrust everything.

00:06:52.440 And interestingly enough, they lean to the right,

00:06:54.800 but they don't necessarily call themselves conservatives at all.

00:06:58.180 Donald Trump won in one of the most moderate electorates in our lifetime.

00:07:01.580 I had to go back to Bill Clinton's win in 92.

00:07:05.220 It was only 34%, 32, depending on which exit poll you're looking at.

00:07:09.580 percent who said they were conservative and yet donald trump still won kind of easy it's because

00:07:14.660 of these voters and i gotta tell you let me just say this i've listened to a lot of people who

00:07:19.040 speak through this out throughout this event it's you know some people are using it for this proxy

00:07:22.700 war of what's going to happen with the party after donald trump i am going to say this i flew six

00:07:27.120 hours to say this you go back to ben shapiro's version of the republican party and the mitt

00:07:32.000 romney version of the republican party and you are cooked you're cooked you can't do it if you

00:07:38.140 want 50 million votes go ahead if you want 78 80 million votes you have to move forward with

00:07:45.120 America first those are the numbers that's it and and again profiling those people when

00:07:50.620 conservatives come out and say the constitution's so great and you know capitalism's so great these

00:07:55.320 people are being hurt by this system because we're not really practicing true free market

00:07:59.860 capitalism are we they're being crushed by it the constitution isn't protecting them from liberal

00:08:05.280 judges when they or from crazy school boards when they go and to a school board meeting and say i 0.95

00:08:10.960 don't want these people allowing transgender people in a bathroom with my daughter i'm uncomfortable 0.60

00:08:17.660 with this and the police drag him out so the constitution isn't saving that guy it's not 1.00

00:08:23.340 protecting that guy so for some of us who may be a little bit more privileged than these people

00:08:28.060 we have to remember that it's a different experience and trump has only been the one

00:08:32.360 to speak for that this is that working class coalition that he put together which was which

00:08:36.780 by the way was a multi-ethnic coalition which is one of the first people to call this want to

00:08:40.720 switch to joshua here because joshua look i'm from pennsylvania you're from ohio right next door

00:08:46.000 you you you very familiar because you're literally living there when when you see people who were for

00:08:52.640 trump in 2024 do you talk to people now who are saying where's the action and actually by the way

00:08:58.740 there's something i do want to say because you just mentioned his name i know there's little

00:09:02.260 ears in there in the area so i'm gonna i'm gonna be careful about how i say this you just mentioned

00:09:06.380 bill clinton has anyone seen those pictures of bill clinton that just came out last night

00:09:10.660 has everyone seen that that's some of the most disgusting stuff i've ever seen in my entire life

00:09:15.300 i think these files it you almost want to call it the clinton files that just came out it's just

00:09:20.140 the clinton epstein files and to anybody who said there was no there there you you just lied you

00:09:25.360 obviously lied uh this always should have been made public it's disgusting that this was kept

00:09:29.580 from the american people and we got to get to the bottom of what exactly was going on between 0.55

00:09:33.380 clinton and epstein just gonna just gotta say that because that was sick i i was sick to my

00:09:39.020 stomach looking at some of this stuff just sick to my stomach but joshua so when when you're out

00:09:43.700 there when you're you're talking to people are you are you meeting this type of this type of

00:09:48.540 populist who says i don't want to talk i want the action yes i am and i i attend and i speak at and

00:09:55.300 I go to a various right-wing political events in Ohio and we've all heard this

00:10:00.420 reference that the right is a as a big tent and I think it was in hindsight

00:10:08.060 and perhaps even foresight pretty obvious that Charlie Kirk was the tent

00:10:10.900 pole keeping everyone together and now there has been a a re-tribalizing of the

00:10:17.260 various right-wing factions meanwhile characters like Vivek Ramaswamy last

00:10:21.460 night you might have heard also you know from Ohio just down the road in

00:10:24.100 Cincinnati for me. The vision he laid out for Ohio and for America last night was a continued

00:10:31.260 de-tribalizing, going back to the, let's say, the Ben Shapiro, Mitt Romney, sort of principles first,

00:10:38.280 conservatism. America is an idea. There's this thought that you might have heard it called magic

00:10:44.960 dirt theory, right, which is anyone can come to the United States and instantly become a heritage

00:10:49.340 American sort of a concept. That, from my perspective, is a conservatism of the past.

00:10:55.800 We talk about the Constitution, our principles, heritage, values, eggs are six dollars. Let's

00:11:01.560 talk about deportations aren't happening fast enough. Well, what about the election? We have

00:11:06.720 to win. We have to. My property taxes are still too high. These are the things that I'm hearing

00:11:11.700 about. I supported several local candidates for office, true economic populists for office last

00:11:18.080 year locally in southwest Ohio and these are guys who their their campaign

00:11:22.840 speeches are showing up they're showing up in t-shirts and tennies these guys

00:11:28.040 one of them is a farmer the other one he is an assistant Little League coach and

00:11:33.620 they're showing up say hey I may not win but I'm gonna try hard that is populist

00:11:39.840 authenticity we've all heard the expression you have to know like and

00:11:43.640 trust before someone's going to buy from you in the past performative politics

00:11:48.500 meant oh so you have to know me and like me so I'll project a certain image I

00:11:53.900 will dress super nice so that you know me as someone respectable and that

00:11:58.160 you'll like me so I will pretend I will put up a facade that I am just like you

00:12:03.620 and through my eloquence and my tail spinning I will persuade you to then

00:12:08.660 trust me to vote for me whether or not any of that is actually authentic or

00:12:13.580 real and with the various factions that I see in Ohio and also throughout the

00:12:18.680 United States it does seem that when we people say you know social media isn't

00:12:22.640 real life it does in fact seem that Twitter is real life the conversations

00:12:27.080 happening even among a nons and the replies are happening in real life

00:12:30.820 generally under 30 that I talked to in Ohio under 30 right-wing people they

00:12:36.260 described President Donald J Trump as centrist or a center-left administration

00:12:43.260 Meanwhile, these events I go to, people are asking, the speakers are asking me,

00:12:48.720 so what can we do to better support Israel if you're over age 65?

00:12:52.840 This is what people are saying.

00:12:53.980 I'm concerned that Vice President J.D. Vance is becoming an isolationist.

00:12:58.880 How can we get more money to Ukraine?

00:13:01.240 Again, over age 70, just out of nowhere.

00:13:03.860 And I want to pee on that.

00:13:05.800 So you're seeing an age split there on the issues.

00:13:08.640 Yes. So when you're seeing that, and I'll come to Rich in a second here. So when you're seeing

00:13:13.380 that, so that's the over 60, over 65. What about the sort of 40, 45 and under? What are they saying

00:13:20.560 are the top issues? Biggest issue I hear from 40, 45-ish, like the elder millennial, younger Gen X 1.00

00:13:26.560 is I have to work two jobs, mortgage payment, or trying to get the first house, or trying to go 1.00

00:13:32.900 from apartment or renting a single family

00:13:35.020 home into a home. It is

00:13:36.520 economics. Economics, economics,

00:13:39.220 economics. And that is the message

00:13:40.860 of populism. Who is going to best help

00:13:43.020 the people? I believe

00:13:44.920 through, I'm doing a lot of work with Data Republican.

00:13:47.260 We have a fun little project that... You guys know

00:13:48.900 Data Republican out there? Yes.

00:13:50.520 Joshua and Data Republican

00:13:52.780 and Jenica have a book. She's here,

00:13:54.980 right? Yes. I think she's actually attending. I don't know

00:13:56.940 if she's in the room, but I'm not going to call her

00:13:58.940 out like that. But she is

00:14:00.800 attending AmFest I saw her around a little bit so if you see her go up and say hi and and give her

00:14:06.160 some love because she doesn't usually come I think it's like her first big event that she's come to

00:14:10.020 like this so she's she's phenomenal and she was very very close to Charlie in 2024 she was really

00:14:15.600 one of the secret weapons and her and Joshua are working on a very secret very cool book that I've

00:14:20.980 got to see a little glimpse of already that's going to be coming out soon all about the deep state

00:14:25.900 and how the infrastructure of it, the mapping of it,

00:14:28.900 the understanding of this is the real power structure

00:14:31.360 and why we can't just get people elected to office

00:14:34.640 who snap their fingers and change things

00:14:36.600 because this power structure is in place

00:14:38.900 and it's called the unelected, the unelected.

00:14:42.560 It's going to be amazing.

00:14:43.380 Rich Barris, I want to piggyback on what I just asked Joshua,

00:14:46.860 that idea of this issue split

00:14:49.260 that we're seeing going on generationally.

00:14:51.360 He mentioned, do you agree with what he said

00:14:53.000 about the 40-45, the sort of like elder millennial Gen Y cohort, but then also I want to ask you

00:14:58.560 about Gen Z. I want to ask you about these people coming online politically. Do you see that more

00:15:03.040 of a split towards economic as well? Yeah, so I'm listening and I'm nodding in agreement because,

00:15:09.100 I mean, we'll say under 50. That's a good baseline too. What's interesting is, and I mean, 0.77

00:15:14.620 we're calling this the demise of performative politics. These people feel like that the 50

00:15:18.800 and overcrowd had it really good and squandered it all and they have it really bad and now they're

00:15:26.000 going to have to work twice three times four times as hard to be able to have the standard of life

00:15:31.240 that the people who came before them and oh by the way had the luxury of being happy losers and

00:15:36.260 principled conservatives they had the luxury of that while these younger voters do not and when

00:15:43.340 we were even before when we were talking about the difference in the moderate versus conservative

00:15:46.700 These younger voters, they're much more populist. They don't even want to call themselves conservative. We're looking at 29% self-identification of conservatives. Mark, when he comes, talk to him about this. The attitudes with the 45 or 15 under crowd are vastly different from those principled conservatives.

00:16:06.780 they wouldn't care less

00:16:09.400 if Donald Trump just pretended

00:16:11.120 as if there was no Congress

00:16:12.300 and just did everything he could do

00:16:14.640 to fix the problem

00:16:16.260 and they see the Congress

00:16:18.840 as part of that deep state

00:16:20.340 maybe just for one day

00:16:21.760 24 hours

00:16:24.260 2%

00:16:25.100 that's why he wasn't hurt with them

00:16:27.760 with that comment

00:16:28.800 you have a guy running for president

00:16:30.480 who says I could stand to do it for one day

00:16:33.800 everyone else left

00:16:34.820 you guys remember what we're referencing

00:16:36.380 saying that Hannity asked Trump, he said,

00:16:38.060 they call you a dictator.

00:16:39.120 Are you a dictator?

00:16:39.920 And he said, no, I'm not a dictator.

00:16:41.420 I wouldn't be a dictator, except maybe just one day.

00:16:45.900 And it drove him nuts.

00:16:48.420 And they'd be okay with that.

00:16:49.840 That's because they're so, I mean,

00:16:51.160 this is trepidation we're talking about here.

00:16:53.000 A short 24-hour period to restore the republic. 0.92

00:16:55.960 Just a little Franco fix for 24 hours. 0.94

00:16:58.760 That's all.

00:16:59.600 And if he gets it done, he'll be remembered for it.

00:17:02.720 But people feel like Donald Trump's presidency

00:17:05.840 really was their last chance so i think this is why people have a hard time understanding you put

00:17:11.240 out a generic ballot and all of a sudden everybody's head hits the ceiling and it's not even that bad

00:17:16.500 but it is if you can't even get those people to come out to vote because they're upset

00:17:20.000 they felt like this was their last opportunity to fix this country that's how that's what you're

00:17:26.380 saying is that for this under 50 cohort the the idea is and that they think trump isn't going far

00:17:34.380 enough it's not that he's being conservative enough it's not that he's too conservative he's

00:17:38.900 not conservative enough show of hands are is there anyone out there who agrees with that and you know

00:17:44.500 we're not there's not a camera on you and i see a lot of this i see a lot of this people saying

00:17:48.400 they want more of that they want less of the performativeness they they see the tweets it's

00:17:52.300 not that they disagree with the tweets but they want to see the action that follows up with those

00:17:57.260 tweets at the same time and the danger here and i'll toss to joshua here for a little bit because

00:18:02.920 the danger here is that populism is a tool and populism is a powerful tool that can be wielded

00:18:09.360 by the right to immense popular success, immense electoral success. However, if populism moves to

00:18:16.380 the left, it becomes extremely dangerous because the populism of the left is the populism of

00:18:23.640 Zora Mandami. It's the populism of grievance politics of instead of we're going to build

00:18:29.840 everything up and that rising tide that lifts all boats. That's what Trump is for. That's what we're

00:18:34.740 for. That's MAGA populism. But in this case, it's the populism of we're going to tear down everything

00:18:41.480 that everyone's built. We're going to go after the banks, the churches, the businesses, Elon Musk,

00:18:47.400 and Zoramandami, who, oh, by the way, I called him out in the Oval Office to his face about this.

00:18:53.240 he said that he was going to put an overburden tax on white neighborhoods and redistribute it

00:19:00.380 to people who were new migrants. And then he tried to say, well, that wasn't my intent. That

00:19:05.600 was my description. I say, oh, so you described your intent of taxing the white people more 0.84

00:19:10.740 and distributing to migrants. Oh, these theater kids, you just got to boo them. You just got to

00:19:16.220 boo them, guys. Wasn't he great though? Did you guys see what he's talking? Wasn't he great?

00:19:23.240 I want to know, one of the policies as well that Mayor Mike Mondomio talked a number of times about on the campaign

00:19:30.560 was shifting the tax burden for property taxes from what he called minority communities to white-based communities

00:19:38.640 and putting more taxes on white people.

00:19:41.040 I also noticed that in your acceptance speech you didn't mention anything about America or Christians or white people in general.

00:19:48.900 And so I didn't know if that was one of the policies that you guys had spoken about.

00:19:53.040 We focused on affordability.

00:19:54.620 We focused on the cost of living crisis.

00:19:56.320 What I will say is that I am very much interested in property tax reform

00:19:59.980 because what we see right now in New York City

00:20:02.100 is a system that is so inequitable that it can't even stand up in court.

00:20:06.400 And the president and I spoke about the importance of not only building more housing,

00:20:10.280 but also making sure that regulation of housing is something that is manageable

00:20:14.420 to actually get through and not the cause of yet another weight that we see.

00:20:17.800 But are you clear you're continuing this idea of race-based property taxes?

00:20:21.660 No, to be very clear, the use of the term was a description of neighborhoods, not a description of intent.

00:20:28.340 So you intend to tax the whiter neighborhoods more? 0.87

00:20:34.260 You got to hold their feet to the fire. 1.00

00:20:36.780 These communists, they're all liars. 0.99

00:20:38.800 They lie every time, as Joshua and I would say, this is what they do. 0.99

00:20:42.740 But Joshua, I'll toss that to you.

00:20:44.240 Talk to me about the danger, then, if populism moves to the far left.

00:20:49.220 Fortunately, what we did see from approximately the Occupy Wall Street era, 2010 to 2012, and in 2016, 0.81

00:20:55.380 via first the Bernie Sanders, kind of Bernie-Bro coalition, and then with the Maha Moms, the independents,

00:21:02.160 we did see a move from economic, let's say left-wing economic populists to being right-wing economic populists,

00:21:08.600 finding that, oh, Sanders sells out, okay, he's just another spokesboy for the regime here, right?

00:21:15.980 Well, ultimately, populism, as Jack said, can go either way.

00:21:21.040 And populism is basically, we are a people, normal, everyday, individual people,

00:21:26.420 and it's our responsibility to support them, to help them thrive, to help them prosper.

00:21:31.320 Well, one of those is an uplift, that is the traditional right-wing values of law and orderliness

00:21:38.420 and 1940s Norman Rockwell paintings, right?

00:21:42.080 Those are the aspirations.

00:21:43.480 That's why we see Gen Z youth sharing those as means.

00:21:47.260 That's sort of the golden standard, let's say. 0.52

00:21:50.580 Whereas on the left, Steve Saylor, if you're familiar with him,

00:21:53.480 he has a phrase called the coalition of the fringes.

00:21:56.820 And what left-wing political organizers have done for more than 250 years,

00:22:02.240 and every time, place, space, and race they do this,

00:22:05.560 they will go find the troubled and the troublemakers,

00:22:08.720 those who have the strongest grievances. 1.00

00:22:10.780 First, that was the unemployed, the working class, the criminal class in various countries in the industrial period. 1.00

00:22:17.640 Oh, gosh, I got Benny Johnson calling me. 0.57

00:22:19.980 Let's see what Benny wants.

00:22:22.420 No, I'll take it later.

00:22:23.500 I'll take it later.

00:22:24.920 We're cooking something up, folks.

00:22:26.400 You'll see.

00:22:27.300 Very cool.

00:22:28.080 So what we saw is the left wing, they will organize and they will agitate.

00:22:33.080 They will say, look at what they did to you.

00:22:34.780 It's not about what do you want and how do we help you get it.

00:22:37.880 That is a right wing populism.

00:22:38.780 populism right-wing economic populism what do you want let us help you get it i want eggs to

00:22:44.400 be a dollar again i want to deport 100 million people okay very simple right and meanwhile wait

00:22:49.860 let's check let's check who here thinks there's only 10 million illegal aliens in this country 0.62

00:22:56.140 all right 20 who i got 20 all right who's going 30 who's going 30 all right a little bit for 30

00:23:02.800 40 40 do we have 40 50 50 all right how many say it's 100 oh my gosh there's this is amazing this

00:23:10.240 is like a little poll right it's like a focus group 40 it's like a focus group right right

00:23:14.580 it's like one of your focus groups no and and by the way i'll say this joshua just one of the one

00:23:19.020 of the save rounds that i had that you were mentioning about this idea that anyone can just

00:23:23.020 show up in america and become an american you know and i like that it's a romantic thought

00:23:28.440 right and and if you're if you're leading with your heart you want to say i i wish we lived in

00:23:33.540 a world where that were true but ladies and gentlemen does zora mandami seem like a regular

00:23:38.380 american to you how about ilhan omar how about hassan piker right and all these guys right no

00:23:46.520 no we just we know that's not american you don't act like american you don't have american heritage

00:23:51.060 you're not interested in assimilating to this country we've seen it in minneapolis with what

00:23:55.880 What is it? $8 billion? Or no, $9 billion. So it's half of the $18 billion was scammed by Somalians

00:24:03.820 in Minneapolis. And the problem is when you import these people from cultures that don't have the 1.00

00:24:08.680 same values as us, they don't value honor, they don't value the honor system, they don't value 0.98

00:24:13.200 the golden rule, they say, whatever I can take is something good because I've gained something.

00:24:18.160 They will abuse our systems and walk right away to the tune of billions of dollars. I love, by the

00:24:23.860 way tim waltz after he's been caught with his you know letting him take all their hands in the

00:24:27.700 cookie jar he goes well i was always against the fraud i was oh and keith ellison they got a real

00:24:31.840 scandal on their hands up there folks and i'm telling you we have the ability right now the 0.67

00:24:36.400 popular support president trump does to end every single program for the somalis in this country to 0.89

00:24:42.300 get them out and rich and i'll i'll throw it back to you rich if trump were to do that and visibly 0.82

00:24:52.660 do that and he's talked about it to be sure

00:24:54.680 but if you were visibly doing that

00:24:56.520 what would that happen what would that do

00:24:58.480 with this coalition of voters that you're talking

00:25:00.660 about these low prop working class voters 1.00

00:25:02.380 nothing juices them more 1.00

00:25:04.620 than immigration let's go 0.99

00:25:06.700 because they see this

00:25:08.180 they see this as an economic issue

00:25:10.760 too it's not just

00:25:12.320 and it is of course right in fact

00:25:14.740 they probably did long before we

00:25:16.740 ever started talking about it in political discourse

00:25:18.860 and by the way here's a little bit of a warning

00:25:20.700 though and this this is what the left used to say about mass immigration and illegal immigration

00:25:25.760 bernie sanders the unions they would always say that when you import this foreign cheap labor

00:25:31.000 that it depresses wages and is downward deflationary pressure on wages this was a left-wing

00:25:36.640 issue and then they all started shutting up about it because they were getting money from the

00:25:41.440 different coalitions that are bilking the system when it comes to illegal aliens and mass migration

00:25:47.160 yes it's the chamber of commerce but you know what there's religious organizations involved as

00:25:51.520 well and as a catholic i've got to call out catholic charities i've got to call out all

00:25:55.960 there's lutherans that are involved as well there's jewish groups that are involved as well

00:25:59.680 i don't care don't take the name of my church and use it to cover for your facilitation of breaking

00:26:05.360 the law how many people live in the vatican lately right yeah yeah and pope leo let's say

00:26:12.540 How many migrants are you taking in, Pope Leo?

00:26:14.440 Yeah.

00:26:15.340 When we had that Tennessee 7 special election, Donald Trump came out and he posted,

00:26:19.620 I am pausing permanently, moratorium on third world immigration.

00:26:25.220 The percentage of certain to vote on the Republican side jumped 10 points. 1.00

00:26:30.700 Extremely enthusiastic, jumped 10 points.

00:26:33.900 Donald Trump knows how to just push a little bit.

00:26:37.680 He has a way of nudging people to get out there and vote.

00:26:40.400 But at a certain point, they do ask, I need some action here.

00:26:44.560 And I was listening to you talk about Mamdani, and you did do great with him.

00:26:47.660 But there were Mamdani Trump voters.

00:26:50.020 This is something people just can't get their heads around.

00:26:52.460 He did amazing in New York City, Donald Trump.

00:26:55.420 He did.

00:26:56.260 I mean, unfortunately, I'm from there.

00:26:57.700 Mamdani talked about this in the Oval.

00:27:00.480 He pointed out that one out of ten Trump voters in New York City also voted for Mamdani.

00:27:05.540 You could see it, too. 0.93

00:27:06.520 If you follow this campaign, you could see, and especially what will jump right out at you, is how non-white that coalition is, right? 0.82

00:27:14.920 So he did very well, not by winning silk-stocking Republicans and, you know, yuppie kind of the 80s Republican voter. 0.88

00:27:23.300 That is gone.

00:27:23.960 That's over. 1.00

00:27:24.720 He did well by winning non-whites in the five boroughs. 0.75

00:27:27.680 And many of those very same voters then went and voted for Mumdani.

00:27:32.380 Their ideologies supposedly have nothing in common.

00:27:35.780 What do they have in common?

00:27:37.240 I want to help you.

00:27:38.660 Yeah, I want to help you.

00:27:40.440 I want you to survive.

00:27:41.400 I want you to thrive instead of actually just survive.

00:27:43.780 They have that message, and it appeals to people.

00:27:46.680 Just go into what you were saying.

00:27:48.800 Right-wing populism ends with national resurgence and growth and prosperity and the peace dividend.

00:27:54.160 Left-wing populism ends with democide.

00:27:57.320 That is where it goes.

00:27:59.720 It always ends in a pile of skulls and mass graves and bones. 0.54

00:28:04.860 that's where communism and marxism always lead so when you want to know why i'm black pilling on

00:28:09.860 twitter all of all day long it's because when i see these fractures in the coalition and i know

00:28:16.000 they need to be put back soon because if you don't put them back they'll go somewhere and

00:28:20.800 ladies and gentlemen speaking of black pillars mark mitchell of rasmussen reports

00:28:25.880 has found his way to join us rich if you mind sharing the mic there with with mark so mark

00:28:33.440 we've been going through, I'm sure you already know the conversation we've been having,

00:28:37.560 performance versus action. Talk to us. Now, we know that you were in the Washington Post reported

00:28:44.280 that you had a conversation in the White House with President Trump in the Oval Office. You

00:28:50.020 talked about a little bit about that with them. You talked about it on your show. What was the

00:28:54.220 presentation that you made to the president there regarding this very issue? So his approval rating

00:28:59.280 is not terrible. I don't think that's the problem. I don't think that's the polling to look at

00:29:02.900 anymore uh really i think the problem is is that republicans are going to lose like right now you

00:29:08.880 look at the polling it's not going to look too good a year from now and so how do you prevent

00:29:13.020 this historic pattern of statistically it just happens the pendulum swings back well they need

00:29:17.680 in my opinion like a manhattan project in order to get the republican rotted husk across the

00:29:23.340 finish line in only 315 days or whatever it is from now and so i told you it was going to be

00:29:29.200 spice, folks. I told you it was going to bring the heat. And how do you even do that? You have to

00:29:34.000 lay out a plan. It's like, hey, we know we can't fix the problems that are bigger. I mean, the real

00:29:38.580 number that I've been tracking is that only 27% of America thinks that today's children, like mostly

00:29:44.120 you, will be better off than your parents. And that's horrifying. And that's way different than

00:29:48.160 in 2016. So this is a different America than the first time Trump won. And I think that they need

00:29:53.040 to acknowledge how bad the actual problems are. They're systemic. And so you're not going to be

00:29:57.520 able to fix that between now and November of 2026. So lay out a plan and show Americans that, hey,

00:30:02.440 we're going down the path to the golden age. It's not here yet. Now, I would even note though,

00:30:07.520 because since you had your meeting in the White House, there were some other people who also had

00:30:12.920 meetings in the White House around that period. You've noticed a shift in the messaging from the

00:30:18.680 president, from Caroline Levitt, from the communications team out there. The president

00:30:23.160 did just give this speech the other night

00:30:25.180 from the White House regarding

00:30:27.200 economic issues, economic

00:30:29.080 conditions. Do you think they're starting

00:30:31.080 to be a little bit more resonant with what you're

00:30:33.100 saying? I think they're

00:30:34.980 taking a step in the right direction. I heard the word

00:30:37.140 American Dream. I heard

00:30:38.980 acknowledgement that they're going to come out with more

00:30:40.960 plans for things like housing. But I'm

00:30:43.180 worried fundamentally that the right

00:30:44.960 metrics aren't being tracked. And so they keep

00:30:47.060 coming back to things. And the

00:30:49.000 word is affordability. That's what everybody uses.

00:30:51.460 No, I'm talking about

00:30:52.560 the death of the American economy

00:30:54.960 that works. Like, I'm

00:30:56.620 really worried that my kids aren't going to have jobs.

00:30:58.860 I'm quite frankly worried they're going to get pulled

00:31:00.640 into a war with NATO

00:31:01.780 against Russia or whatever.

00:31:04.620 But he's, like, I still don't

00:31:06.740 see an acknowledgement of focusing

00:31:08.680 on that. If I were the Republican Party right now,

00:31:10.740 I would be trying to

00:31:12.700 come up with, like, new

00:31:14.700 measures of the economy that reflect

00:31:16.780 things like wealth inequality.

00:31:18.480 They should be tracking things like

00:31:20.520 the median first-time homebuyer age.

00:31:22.200 And I don't even think it's on the radar screen.

00:31:24.520 And so what economic metric can we all feel happy about

00:31:28.460 in October of 2026 and look back and say,

00:31:31.280 you know what, like Trump got us there.

00:31:33.000 I argue there isn't one.

00:31:34.800 It's not going to be the stock market.

00:31:36.720 The job market's not going to heat up.

00:31:38.480 Like, how are we going to do that in time?

00:31:40.280 What about the Gini coefficient?

00:31:42.420 Something like that.

00:31:43.260 Let's do this, right?

00:31:44.200 The Gini coefficient.

00:31:45.260 But like, if you look at all these metrics, they're bad.

00:31:47.320 Like, top 10% of income earners are half of all retail sales in America.

00:31:53.120 It's really bad.

00:31:53.960 And I'll give you another example of that because if you guys, you know, any Black Friday shoppers out there today?

00:31:59.180 And, you know, a couple of, you know, it's fine.

00:32:00.600 We did it.

00:32:00.980 But, you know, I've noticed, though, did anyone see that the Black Friday shoppers, suddenly, well, all the sales, all the retail stores, they were extending the Black Friday days.

00:32:12.720 So it was Black Friday, then Saturday, then Sunday, then Monday.

00:32:15.580 It became the entire week.

00:32:17.320 you don't do that if people are out there shopping on Black Friday the way they usually do.

00:32:22.580 That meant that sales were down, and any retailer is going to tell you that

00:32:26.300 because they're trying everything they can to get people in.

00:32:29.100 And when people are doing that at Christmastime, that is not a solid economic indicator.

00:32:34.620 That's an indicator that people out there are hurting because prices are high.

00:32:39.240 And I've said this to the White House, and I say this publicly.

00:32:41.760 They're high because of Joe Biden.

00:32:43.360 All right, let's be very clear about that.

00:32:45.000 bide inflation is still in the system bide inflation is the reason we're in the situation

00:32:50.600 that we're in however you have to be able to be clear about this and say we're fighting a war

00:32:56.080 against bide inflation and ultimately it isn't going to be that in some cases gas prices egg

00:33:01.520 prices beef prices you can bring prices down but in most cases it's going to be about bringing

00:33:06.220 wages up 100 100 joshua i know you go yeah i just wanted to add your touchdown spiking cannot

00:33:12.740 exceed the number of yards that you've actually run down the field all right that speech they

00:33:17.900 went in the right direction they tried they tried to listen to you mark they did you know and we

00:33:21.760 know there are other people they they're trying but you can't go out there and pretend the golden

00:33:27.880 age is here already you can't do it and i understand that people want to take credit for

00:33:33.140 their successes and but barack obama did what with george bush he blamed him for four years straight

00:33:39.780 Why? Because it works, and because it's true, and it works better when it's actually true.

00:33:45.140 But you have to lead with empathy, and that's something the White House hasn't been able to do.

00:33:49.400 Obama was great at it. He said, you know, Bush destroyed it.

00:33:52.740 We've done a lot of great stuff, but there's just so much more to go.

00:33:55.900 There's so much more we have to do.

00:33:57.400 That is the way he always spoke about it. That's the way you've got to do it.

00:34:00.160 I will say, I think my absolute favorite part of that speech, well, there are two things. 0.53

00:34:03.660 One was, of course, the information operation that they ran, right, where they claimed, where they made everyone think that it was going to be like a Venezuela, you know, invasion and bombing and all the rest.

00:34:14.740 So why did they do that?

00:34:16.260 They got all the broadcast TVs in America, all the broadcast networks, all those editors and every single ABC, NBC, CBS affiliate to say, oh, maybe we better tune in.

00:34:25.860 You know, this could be a big speech.

00:34:26.840 and he gets out there and he starts saying that, oh my gosh, not only am I going to help you with

00:34:33.060 economics, but we're giving the entire active duty military a Christmas bonus of $1,776.

00:34:41.200 That was great. I think that was the best note. I think that was the best target. They're giving

00:34:46.160 me the 10 minute sign. Do we want to do a couple of questions? Anybody want to do a couple of

00:34:51.420 questions? Let's do that. We're going to have to do these quick. So we'll just go. I saw over here

00:34:56.100 first actually so let's let's go right there there's a mic coming for you here just my mic's

00:35:03.260 coming mic's coming how can we start communicating about the biden thing because inflation is

00:35:09.260 cumulative and people need to know that and somehow they don't get it like hello i i've just

00:35:14.820 i just keep saying look we have the greatest word we we invented it in 2021 linguistic warfare which

00:35:19.940 joshua knows bide inflation bide inflation bide inflation if you notice uh secretary besant has

00:35:24.460 started to use that word again. And I think I would love to see the entire administration

00:35:29.020 just reminding people over and over the Bidenflation is still there and it's a zombie

00:35:33.180 inflation. Can I make people mad? I want to make some people mad. Here we go. Here it comes. So

00:35:38.300 yeah, you know, Biden inflation was bad, but the system has been broken for a lot longer than that.

00:35:43.660 And if I look back specifically at the thing that had the most impact personally on my career,

00:35:47.880 and I think a lot of people would agree with me here, it's not the Biden administration. It's

00:35:51.620 George H.W.'s Immigration Act of

00:35:53.600 1990. And so

00:35:55.440 what I would say is, yeah, sure, definitely

00:35:57.760 Biden was the cherry on top of

00:35:59.600 this wreckage that has stolen

00:36:01.680 the American dream from everybody.

00:36:03.720 But I think that, and one of the things I said

00:36:05.720 for Trump is that, like, sir, I think you need

00:36:07.700 to fight the oligarchy and not be the

00:36:09.600 oligarchy. And I've done a lot of polling, for

00:36:11.600 instance, on J.D. Vance. He polls incredibly.

00:36:13.960 He's doing better than Trump was

00:36:15.100 in April of 2022. In all of

00:36:17.640 our matchups, there's only one person that's ever beaten

00:36:19.460 J.D. Vance. Bernie Sanders.

00:36:21.620 Wow, warning, warning, warning, you see what I'm talking about?

00:36:28.420 All right, let's go, I think there was, right there?

00:36:33.760 Hi Jack, so I'm also a Catholic, and I think it's been shameful to see conferences and, sorry, dioceses and bishops like the USCCB speak out against Trump's immigration policies.

00:36:46.440 despite them saving millions of children's lives.

00:36:49.340 And I think that's something that really hit home for me

00:36:51.640 after recently seeing Sound of Freedom for the first time.

00:36:54.680 I'm a little late to the party.

00:36:56.420 So my question for you is how can we as Catholics

00:37:00.340 and more importantly as Christians and fellow believers

00:37:02.680 educate each other,

00:37:04.480 especially I'm a turning point chapter officer as well,

00:37:06.980 and I want to teach my community in El Paso, Texas,

00:37:09.760 a very blue city,

00:37:11.380 about how Trump is actually saving lives and stuff.

00:37:14.120 So what are some suggestions that I can...

00:37:16.220 I mean, I think you just answered the question.

00:37:17.860 Get people to watch Sound of Freedom.

00:37:19.080 Just get them to watch that more and more and more to actually understand that these people that are coming in,

00:37:25.240 they're not just being, you know, coming here, oh, we want a better life.

00:37:28.440 They're being exploited.

00:37:29.580 In many cases, children are involved.

00:37:31.620 In too many cases, children are involved.

00:37:33.500 And that's exactly what Trump is doing to fight this.

00:37:35.880 This isn't about assimilation.

00:37:38.260 It's about exploitation. 0.99

00:37:39.580 And I think that's key.

00:37:40.880 I think that's really a big part of the key to shifting on this issue.

00:37:43.520 Yeah, turn the moral high ground around.

00:37:44.940 Because the truth is they make those arguments thinking and pretending they have the moral high ground until they learn that human trafficking is big business.

00:37:54.340 And it's being driven and fueled and allowed by these groups.

00:37:59.060 Turn it around.

00:38:00.000 Turn it around.

00:38:00.900 Who's next?

00:38:03.200 Let's go right in front.

00:38:09.520 Trying to do them quick.

00:38:10.620 I'm trying to get as many as we can.

00:38:11.880 Hey, Greg Jones from Conservatives USA.

00:38:13.440 say hey question I have for you is you know back in the 60s there was a housing crisis I don't know

00:38:17.480 if you know that in California so what developers did went out and bought land and they just made

00:38:21.940 track housing three bedroom houses one car garage 1100 square feet and they built them in masses now

00:38:28.140 that's called Orange County California so why don't we look at developers to build these houses

00:38:33.200 which we have the land and just track them all out let the young people purchase them you can

00:38:37.360 build them for 150 200 thousand dollars and get them in the initial housing and then let them step

00:38:42.560 up from there it's my understanding that the administration is actually working on a housing

00:38:47.000 plan that's going to be coming out here very soon um i don't have specific details on it but i

00:38:52.380 stay tuned i think you're going to hear something very very soon about that

00:38:56.440 all right um i see a bunch of hands the lights are like really bright so just just grab somebody

00:39:00.780 i see captain america back there as well that's a captain america shield that's a shield no that's

00:39:08.140 shield. Yeah, yeah. It's a hat. Thank you. Thank you very much. Hello. So there's four of you up

00:39:14.580 there and we came here to find out what we can do about it. I'd really like to find out this is

00:39:18.920 about a hundred people here are pretty well involved, pretty well, they understand what's

00:39:23.820 going on, but what do we do? What do you actually really do? I mean, do all of us write letters to

00:39:28.600 the editor? They won't print most of it. Give us each one of you what we can specifically do to

00:39:34.160 start moving down what you want and part of that is which peoples do we listen to we just went

00:39:39.940 through a whole thing about people dumping on each other in the main union over there that's

00:39:45.480 not helping us we need you to give us some specific attitudes of what to do

00:39:50.380 thank you very much i appreciate the passion so one thing that each and every one of us can do

00:39:58.760 we all live in an area where i'm sure there is a there is a village council there's a city council

00:40:03.540 there are township trustees, there are local officials, the best thing that we can do is

00:40:07.960 localize first. Your community, your city, your elected leaders, talk to them about what it is

00:40:13.980 that you care about. If you attended Cliff Maloney's session yesterday, I'm doing a book with Cliff

00:40:20.280 about local politicians and how to become one. One thing is to consider running for office and

00:40:25.440 making changes that are local. The second thing to do is people who are currently in office,

00:40:30.680 Their priority is to stay in office, get re-elected, or get promoted to the higher office.

00:40:34.840 Anything that threatens that terrifies them.

00:40:38.220 A little bit of fear persuasion goes a long way.

00:40:41.720 The left wins, despite unpopular ideas, because they agitate.

00:40:45.500 The best thing you can do is agitate your local leaders.

00:40:49.280 Annoy them respectfully, show up gently, and make them do their job.

00:40:54.380 That is the best thing you can do.

00:40:55.900 Get in their ear.

00:40:57.440 Yeah, I'm not a political activist.

00:40:59.680 I don't think Rich would consider himself a political activist either.

00:41:02.680 I think the way to look at pollsters is that I've been to D.C., I've seen how it works.

00:41:07.120 I think that a lot of people who are rich, a lot of foreign governments, a lot of people who are not you, have their interests represented.

00:41:13.980 And I kind of see myself as really one of the few lobbyists for the American people.

00:41:18.660 And what I'm going to tell you is that when I hear Republican officials talk, systematic change is not on the map.

00:41:26.240 They think they have the right message.

00:41:27.700 They think they just need to vote harder.

00:41:29.180 They think they just need to raise a little bit more money

00:41:31.480 Or have a better ground game

00:41:32.840 And I think we're in a major political realignment

00:41:35.140 I think that they need to acknowledge

00:41:36.680 That they have to actually stand for something

00:41:38.460 And that something is systematic reform

00:41:40.540 Economic and government reform

00:41:42.040 My big thing, and I'll add just to this

00:41:43.700 And I want to see if we can get time for two more quick questions

00:41:45.840 Name and shame

00:41:46.760 Just name and shame these local

00:41:48.420 Find the local communists in your area 0.99

00:41:52.040 And name and shame them 0.97

00:41:52.920 And by the way, find the local rhino in your area 0.98

00:41:55.920 And name and shame all the rhinos

00:41:58.420 as well. They cannot stand 0.97

00:42:00.780 mockery. They cannot stand

00:42:02.620 being named. All right, we've got to get Captain America

00:42:04.520 back there. We've got to get Captain America.

00:42:06.760 It's so good.

00:42:14.220 Thank you for giving me a chance

00:42:16.660 to speak, and thank you for

00:42:18.340 providing this.

00:42:20.260 Anyway, is there any

00:42:22.560 actions about

00:42:24.020 reforming the welfare

00:42:26.360 and the health care? 0.95

00:42:28.420 and there's tax loop

00:42:30.580 because I do taxes

00:42:31.920 and I do see so many people

00:42:34.320 taking advantage of the tax loop

00:42:37.020 and they're getting

00:42:38.100 the maximum benefit of everything

00:42:40.500 and if we tighten up

00:42:42.480 the welfare reform

00:42:44.520 so that we can get rid of 1.00

00:42:46.520 a lot of the illegals. 1.00

00:42:48.740 I'll tell you one way. 0.99

00:42:49.960 I know how to get rid of $8 billion

00:42:51.560 of welfare fraud in Minneapolis

00:42:54.780 in two seconds.

00:42:56.240 Stay on track.

00:42:57.080 They all go back.

00:42:58.080 They all go back.

00:42:59.080 Stay on track.

00:43:00.080 They all go back.

00:43:01.080 But number two, we have to absolutely reform these systems because there's so much scamming.

00:43:06.080 There's so much fraud that goes in.

00:43:07.080 There's too many loopholes in the tax code.

00:43:09.080 And I'm sorry if that's not a Republican kind of thing to say, but it is a populist thing to say.

00:43:14.080 I think health care is a really good example of how the right needs to get smarter because I don't think they have a plan for this.

00:43:20.080 And right now I'm telling you that the Democrats are winning on the issue of health care.

00:43:24.080 And what's their solution?

00:43:25.080 solution, their solution is single payer. And so I don't think the Republicans can actually compete

00:43:30.100 on that unless they do something better than just transfer payments. And also, and also you got to

00:43:35.240 go full Maha. You absolutely must go full Maha. And we're not seeing that happen yet. There's a lot

00:43:42.180 of, there are, there are schemes afoot to try to separate MAGA and Maha. And Maha is one of the most

00:43:48.940 popular political movements in all of America today. It's probably more popular. You guys would

00:43:53.780 No, is Maha more popular than MAGA?

00:43:57.020 Well, with certain people.

00:43:58.620 With certain people, it is. 1.00

00:43:59.480 And key groups like, oh, I don't know, suburban women, for example, which we're trying to win back.

00:44:04.900 I think we have time for one more.

00:44:07.820 So I have a question about the book.

00:44:09.760 Let's go.

00:44:10.440 So I've read it already, but how do I inform people that don't read books, don't pay attention to politics, that communism is here and is thriving?

00:44:19.920 How do I get the uninformed people, the people that don't care,

00:44:23.020 to care about the communism and how bad it truly is?

00:44:29.180 Real quick here, we're getting the stop sign.

00:44:30.660 But on that, rather than focus on the problem,

00:44:35.240 the communism trying to convince them on that,

00:44:37.040 rather show the anti-communist, the positive populist,

00:44:41.160 right-wing, economic populist vision instead.

00:44:43.460 What is often more compelling to action besides fear,

00:44:46.500 and if you can't sell the fear,

00:44:47.520 You saw the vision of the better way in lower egg prices, lower housing prices, more affordability.

00:44:54.240 And like we always say, stay on track.

00:44:56.220 They all go back.

00:44:57.000 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you.

00:44:58.260 Mark Mitchell, Rich Barris, Jack Posobiec, Joshua Lysak. 0.99

00:45:01.840 I'm going to be leading for the Catholics or anybody who wants to come.

00:45:05.540 We're doing a Catholic adoration here, I think, in the next breakout session.

00:45:08.920 You're all absolutely invited to come by because we are going to be worshiping our Lord Jesus Christ.

00:45:15.160 and Jesus Christ is king of the entire universe.

00:45:18.800 Amen.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 16, 2025

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