BONUS EPISODEļ¼ HOW CORPORATE MEDIA HAS BEEN SHATTERED BY THE NEW AMERICAN REPUBLIC
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Summary
Jack Posobiec is joined by a panel of friends and colleagues to discuss a variety of topics, including: - What's going on in the corporate media? - What is going on with the stock market? - Is it a good or bad thing that a car has crashed into a German Christmas market? - Is there anything we can do about it?
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This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
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A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
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This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us here and good morning.
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And, you know, frankly, good new America to everybody.
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We've got, uh, I always love being the British guy at things because it's kind of confusing
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to a lot of people, especially, you know, there are all these events that we have to do.
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And I was at the, uh, I was in LA just two days ago speaking with, uh, Karen Zygman's group
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If anybody knows it, they're, they're doing fantastic work out there, believe it or not
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And of course, at the beginning of every event, there's the Pledge of Allegiance and there's
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And I just sort of have to stand there and be like, yep, you're singing about killing
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You know, that's, um, but ladies and gentlemen, thank you for, uh, attending this morning.
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As Steve just said down on the, uh, on the war room.
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And I think we've probably got some war room posse in here today.
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So Raheem always makes the, the, the American revolution joke and he's always, oh, you know,
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You should have listened to the kick and he's got this whole thing about it.
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And then I, I guess that he, something must have happened along the way though, because
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he's been here since 2016 and he's played a major role in the second American revolution.
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Listen, you guys did the original Brexit, right?
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So I want to welcome to the panel, you know, just people that I absolutely love working with.
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Of course, Jack Posobiec being one of them, Joshua Lysak, who's been instrumental in Jack's
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career, quite frankly, and probably one of my favorite people on planet earth.
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And then also Natalie Winters is here, ladies and gentlemen.
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You know, this, this panel is, they asked us to put it together.
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They kind of gave me free reign for, for what it's about.
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I said, you know, I'm going to be fresh straight out of what Steve just said.
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I came straight from the last party that was happening last night and straight up onto this
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And I, you know, I think what's really important right now, and I think we all need to cheer
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And thank God, quite frankly, that the corporate media is absolutely in free fall right now.
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This is the, by the way, this is the corporate media that if you go and look up German Christmas
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market right now, they will tell you that a car supposedly drove itself into a German Christmas
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I haven't even tried the Waymos yet out here in Phoenix.
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You don't get a, you know, smelly person in the car with you or whatever.
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Um, listen, the, the, the corporate media is, has earned its collapse, right?
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It's been not a journalistic, uh, endeavor for quite some time for these people.
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And whether you look at the, the Don Lemons of the world or the Chris Cuomos or the, oh,
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George Snuffelufagus is paying $15 million for his lies, right?
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And by the way, they deserve a lot worse than that.
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They're getting off light, if you ask me, defaming the president of the United States on
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Can we, can we, speaking of George real quick, can we see what I meant about the microphone?
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So George Stephanopoulos, I don't know if you guys realize this, the $15 million that ABC
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Did you know that that all has to go directly to the Donald Trump presidential library?
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So my thought is he should open up a wing to all of the hoaxes about him and we name it
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the George Stephanopoulos library of fake news.
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The, the corporate media deserves to be in collapse.
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But I want to tell you guys, I see this trend amongst, and it's not a trend.
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I mean, it's, it's the way of, of the world, of the TikTok influences and the Instagram influences
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But you know, my message for you from this stage today is that yes, that's good.
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But actually there are real journalistic skills that you need to be building in to doing that
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thing, to, to building that audience and to getting the truth out there.
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And if we use it right, we can defeat our enemies.
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I mean, I've been on Capitol Hill for nine years now.
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I have to fraternize these parties and these events all day long, every day.
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And what we need to be doing is weaponizing information.
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And so I've got some of the best people about weaponizing information up on stage with me.
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And I want to start with Natalie because I think she's just obviously been a breakout star.
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I mean, frankly, a breakout star on the right, a breakout star in media,
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a breakout star of anybody that I've ever worked with.
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But the reason is she actually does the hard work.
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As much as we, we like to joke around and, and, and hang out and whatever.
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The two of you just last week were texting me, you don't work anymore.
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Look, um, I would also just add real quick too, on the whole media collapsing.
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I think what really triggered them, made them really upset was when Elon bought X and I
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think made the blue check mark sort of, he democratized it.
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And I use democracy in the good sense, not the way that MSNBC does it, but that really
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And, you know, they get so upset when Elon says, you know, you're the media now.
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And I think my question is, and always has been, you know, what makes these people better
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or more, you know, efficient or truthful in their reporting of frankly anything to us?
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And if anything, I think all they do is lie to us.
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So I think that compounded with the fact that a lot of the, um, what we call in the war room,
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sort of the censorship industrial complex, right?
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Uh, the global engagement center, uh, news guard organizations that I'm sure have probably
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all censored you guys in the audience that they've been exposed.
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And that was something that you didn't really hear a lot about before.
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But so when you see that they don't have what we call sort of the Praetorian guard, um, no
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longer to defend their narratives, I think that they've also collapsed considerably in that
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Um, to, to Raheem's point, for those of you who don't know me, um, I'm the co-host of Steve
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Bannon's war room, um, which we love the war room.
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Um, I started, and it's so wonderful to see so many young people in the audience.
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I'm also honored to be the token woman on this panel.
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Um, but I started working, believe it or not, for Raheem when I was 18.
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After I graduated high school, I was like, I really want to intern for Raheem Kassam.
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And my mom looked at me and was like, what, what do you want to do?
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And I met all these wonderful people and they've been so empowering.
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Um, worked my way up ultimately to become a contributor to war room, but now I'm Steve's
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co-host and filled in for him when he was in prison.
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And, you know, I think I see a lot of young women in this room and young men, you know,
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And I'm not speaking from a position of privilege or acting, trying to sound patronizing, but
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I think a lot of people want to take the easy route and just do talking points and post
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reels on Instagram, but you're not going to get anywhere.
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If you're doing that, you have to do real actual reporting, real news, which I'm happy
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to get into, it might be too granular for some people if you're not into it.
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Um, but that's how you're able to build a career.
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The one thing I internalized when I started, no one cares about my opinion.
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So I really just stuck to primary source reporting.
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And that's what I would advise all young people to do.
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I wasn't saying that nobody cares about your opinion just because you're an 18 year old
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And I actually have very little concern for, you know, general opinion.
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I'm a news guy, you know, get me the information, the hard data.
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I don't want any of this anonymous sourcing BS, quite frankly.
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And I think, you know, when, when you talk about, you have to do more than just putting
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out talking points over reels or tech talks, you know, you actually, as people who regard
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themselves as influencers or who want to go that route, you already have most of the things
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in common with, with journalists and, and, you know, it's, it's curiosity and it's content
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Those are the two major skill sets that you need to go out and do actual news reporting.
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One of the things I think you guys did, Josh, with, with, with your books, especially is
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going further, going beyond, asking the difficult questions.
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Talk to us a little bit about you and your process.
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I'm obviously Joshua Lysick and I'm, my career began, um, in, in, in ghostwriting and
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I've, I've ghostwritten a number of books, 96 books I've ghostwritten in the last 14 years.
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So I'm a bit of a machine, but I'll say half of those have been in the last few years as
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And of course I've coauthored, uh, Bulletproof and Unhumans, both with Jack.
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By the way, if you can get unsigned copies, they're worth more.
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And if you're, Raheem, how many copies of your book are you selling here this weekend?
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I ghostwriting coauthor books with a lot of the characters in Trump world and MAGA world.
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Do we have anybody who's a simultaneous sipper?
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So the sort of, the sort of journalism that you might, that I call what I do is sort of
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more like long form sense making, long form sense making, which is simply longer stuff
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Now, one of the reasons why Unhumans, which is a book about communist revolutions, has
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been so successful, selling many thousands of copies as it has and being a New York Times
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bestseller, is not because it's history of the past, because it's a history of the present
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and also the future, unless we do something to stop it.
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So when we look back at history, we have to ask, what's in it for me?
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So if you are thinking about authoring a book, authoring long form content, or even doing
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any kind of reporting, you have to have, in the forefront of your mind, what your audience's
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question is going to be, what your reader's question is going to be, which is, what's in
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Now, there are both independent and mainstream journalists who think, well, we will make
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We will use rage bait, rage and fear get people to click, clicks, advertisement, cash money.
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So it's going to be, outrage is going to be fear, but that's not more, we don't need more
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You know, there's that meme of the, the annoying soy jack, I think he's called, where it's like,
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That's the question that we need to be asking ourselves as we're sharing this.
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Books on communism, nobody cares because it does not affect you personally.
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So we had to do a little sense making and explain how the template of far left wing revolutions
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and movements follow the same template over the last 250 years.
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And we can expect to happen what exactly is going to, is what has been happening since
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the 1950s, sort of a slow walked cultural revolution in the United States.
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And this is one example to help people realize what they can do personally.
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So chapter 13 of the book is sort of the plan to fight back on this.
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And we tell individual readers who are like soccer moms, who are, they just started a podcast
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and there's 50 people, or you just listen to podcasts.
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What can the individual do, how does this affect me personally?
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There's another series I like to do on X called Spot the Propaganda, where I'll look at headlines
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from the mainstream media and I'll run through between five and 15, let's say, hypnotizing techniques
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to bring you into a trance to accept the premise.
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And one of those is the over-reliance on the passive voice.
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So it's sort of a passive voice so that, and that of course is communism, where it's
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oppressor versus oppressed, where, well, if someone who is in an oppressed category did
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something that's wrong and evil and terrible, well, we have to switch it from the active.
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And then, if they do have active voice, what will they say?
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You know, there's a section in there, and the media does this as well, and the communist
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regime that we're under also uses this, where it essentially follows the narcissistic personality
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traits of anyone who's been in one of these emotionally abusive, toxic relationships called
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I actually see some people have heard this one.
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And it's, once you see it, once you see it, you can't stop seeing it.
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So this is D-A-R-V-O, deny, attack, reverse, victim, and offender.
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So you deny, you attack, and then you reverse the victim and offender.
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And so for those of you out there who see one of these things, like, for example, I don't
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know, let's just pluck one out of the media, Luigi Maggioni.
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So Luigi Maggioni is a perfect example of this, where we've seen increasingly in the
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media, Vox and other outlets are saying, they'll say, well, we don't agree with what Luigi Maggioni
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And so what they're doing is they're attempting to reverse victim and offender here.
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And once you see it, you can't unsee it anymore.
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And so these are the types of tactics that if you are a content creator, once you see
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one of these things, it could be something at a local level, it could be something regional,
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Suddenly you can then become a, there's an interesting phrase that I heard once that
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someone used to describe me and probably would apply to most of the folks up here.
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It's not necessarily that what we're doing is journalism.
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What they said is what you guys do is counter journalism.
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You're doing counter journalism to the mainstream narrative.
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You're doing counter journalism to the lies that are out there in the world.
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And so when Natalie Winters can find the links between Anthony Fauci and Peter Daszak and
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Shenzhen Li, the bat lady in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, it turns out that Anthony Fauci may
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I don't think Anthony Fauci likes me very much or Peter Daszak, but I'm very proud to have
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A lot of my background in reporting was exposing Chinese Communist Party infiltration.
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And I think a lot of people are like, oh my gosh, how did you do it?
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And I think that you have to capitalize on the fact that the mainstream media reporters that
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we're up against, it's not just that they have an agenda and are trying to, you know,
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using neo-Marxist tactics, smear our movement in a certain way.
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But they're also wholly compromised, in particular by the Chinese Communist Party.
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One of the first stories that I ever broke had to do, it was hidden in the Foreign Agent
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And it showed that reporters from basically every single outlet, Washington Post, the New
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York Times, even Fox, Harvard Business Review, dozens of outlets, had been basically taking
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free, if not subsidized trips to China, paid for by Chinese Communist Party influence groups,
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one notably called the China United States Exchange Foundation.
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And in exchange, they had to provide, quote, favorable coverage or, quote, disseminate positive
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And Rahim and I later did more research into it because they had deleted the identities of
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basically all the journalists who took these trips.
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But I said, no, no, no, I'm going to find these people.
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But to the point, if you're standing up there and you're like, great, I'm on board, I want
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to do the journalism, but how do I do it, so much of it is so simple in the sense that
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you've got to learn how to use archive.is, the Wayback Machine, and you pull up deleted
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A lot of the documents that I have used for my reporting have been previously deleted.
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It's learning how to kind of algorithmically, like, search the internet for certain keywords.
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So there's a lot of tips and ways to, I always say, kind of hack.
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And the last point that I'd put to what you're saying in terms of the syntax and the diction,
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analytically, the framing that they use to just kind of elicit a sort of primal response,
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They love the passive voice, anything except if it's not President Trump.
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But that the timing of all these stories is very, very important.
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I'm sure you guys have all seen that, like, the bird flute, right, is the new big scare.
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And there was, like, a three-hour period just a few days ago where the New York Times
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puts out a long-form profile piece saying the bird flu pandemic would be the largest
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And an hour later, Bloomberg is out saying, oh, lab leaks can actually happen.
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And then MIT Technology Review comes out with a piece saying how a bird flu pandemic is going
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So it's just sort of a coordination and narratives.
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And I think the one thing we've always sort of hammered on the war room, and you're probably
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You can tell something a little off with my brain.
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But it's all about pattern recognition and being able to see the threads pulled through
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And I think to what you're saying, kind of understanding what their ultimate goal is.
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And in the case of the bird flu stuff, it's normalizing you guys, desensitizing you to
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the idea that if a bird flu pandemic were to happen, oops, it just happened.
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Yeah, look, I don't think any of us really came into this, I don't want to say industry,
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but came into our roles as a result of somebody just handing us, you know, a pen and paper or
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a microphone or whatever, or somebody subsidizing us.
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No George Soros cash for a fake girl in our careers.
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And when I started doing this kind of work in a much smaller environment in Westminster
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in England, I was very much told like, hey, this isn't for you.
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You know, how could you possibly compete with the BBC and Sky News and all of that stuff?
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And the more people started to tell me that, the more it gave me the hunger to actually
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go out there and carve this new media thing out for myself and build a brand and make
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sure that people understood that, hey, you don't actually have to take what the BBC says
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And so I want to ask Jack about that, especially because, Jack, you have built probably one of
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the largest X accounts out there now doing political news.
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I mean, you did a lot of culture stuff early on as well.
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I just talk a little bit for those in the room who are kind of keen to get into this,
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And if I were being a good friend, I would say it'd be like watching people like Raheem who
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But I'm not going to do that because he's already been buttered up too much.
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We're kind of being so nice to each other right now.
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And so, it's basically the idea that I would say is there is news going on around you all
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There are examples of counter journalism that you can do.
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And every once in a while, something might pop into your lap or something might come up
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and suddenly you have an opportunity to do that.
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And it's something either you're passionate about or it's something that maybe affected
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Or it could just be something that you've always had a keen interest in and you want to pursue
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But you do need to have a certain kind of a beat.
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And it's important to actually have a background in some of these things.
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So, you know, it's hard because these days on the internet, you're expected to be almost
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And there used to be this meme on X that, oh, the virology experts are now cybersecurity
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experts and are now election integrity experts on day three.
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And, you know, it's all the same people within the same week.
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And so the idea is, and Steve Bannon had a quote once that, and Rahim kind of paraphrased
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it earlier, but he had this great quote where he said, facts get shares, opinions get
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shrugs, facts get shares, opinions get shrugs, find facts, find facts that no one else is
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talking about, find facts that could potentially entirely change things that are going on in
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the world around you, in the narrative around you.
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One of the earliest things I remember that I, you know, quote unquote, went viral for was
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simply finding all the way back in early 2017, that James Comey had changed his testimony
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And in one house appearance, and, you know, I don't remember all that off the top of my
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It was, it was, it was essentially that he had said that he'd never felt any pressure from
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on high during any investigation that he was conducting.
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This was after president Trump had become president.
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Then a couple of weeks later, uh, after he had been fired, he then said, president Trump
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told me to shut down the Mike Flynn investigation.
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I don't know if you guys remember, this was a whole narrative.
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And they said that Comey was actually fired to shut down Russiagate, et cetera.
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And I simply posted the transcripts of the articles saying, well, wait a minute, a couple of
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weeks ago, he just said he never felt any pressure.
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But the point is that you've got to be doing the work.
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And people will say, oh, you know, Poso, how do you, how do you know this?
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It's when, when I'm not here or not spending time with, uh, with the lovely Tanya Tay and
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the boys, I'm just constantly reading, I'm constantly consuming information.
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And that's a huge part of it as well, because in this, this is why, by the way, have you
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ever noticed one of these mainstream media types when they go on a podcast or sit on a
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panel like this and try to go long form or they go on Joe Rogan or something and they
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I've seen them by the way, in the white house briefing room, and perhaps we'll be seeing
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To be honest, I don't think we should be doing that at all.
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And, and what he should do by the way, is go to that.
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Remember, you know, like the fake oval office that they have in the other, then the EEOB
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next door, but they, they put Joe Biden in there to make him think he's president.
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So, so take that room, by the way, take that room and then fill it with podcasters and
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citizen journalists and people like the war room and people like real America's voice
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and fill it up with people who actually want to tell the truth.
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But I've seen those journalists and the quote unquote mainstream corporate media journalists,
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and they have these producers and then the producer goes in their ear and tells them what
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And then when they get off camera, they're scrolling Instagram.
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And the biggest thing that we, and so understand if you're in this world and you're in this
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And we can't do that by just calling them names or accusing them and labeling them.
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And something I could add if I, if I may to that is every, we may be up here, but each of
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you have the capacity to be a sense maker in your industry, in your geography, in your
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community, most of the time, at least in this election cycle and going back further, the
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top stories that everyone is paying attention to that sucks all the energy away from everything
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else and focus on this is because some person had a cell phone and they were paying attention.
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You remember the Biden is selling off the border wall as fast as he can, right?
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That story is because some guy was paying attention and he thought, wait, wait a second.
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Pulls out his phone, starts, starts recording it.
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He sends it to somebody, sends it to somebody, sends it to somebody, sends it to somebody.
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And then it gets posted and then it gets millions and millions of views and everyone's
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Each one of you have the potential to do that in your community.
00:26:58.800
And maybe it's just, you notice some corruption on city council or as Vanessa Bataglia here.
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So Vanessa is a fantastic example of local journalism noticing, wait a second, the Chinese
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Communist Party is having influence inside of my state.
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I'm noticing things and I'm writing about it and they're getting published in large publications.
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Each one of you can be the Vanessa Bataglia of your community, your state, your industry.
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Just notice what is going on and write about it and talk about it.
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And I don't know if anyone else on the panel will agree with me, but I often write pieces
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that are counter-narrative for the mainstream press, for BBC, for Sky News, for Newsweek,
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And it's often the very first time that counter-perspective has ever been published.
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And most of the time, these people aren't, as Raheem said, they have no idea what they're
00:27:55.580
So if you put something out there and send it to one of their editors to publish, they
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may have absolutely no idea that what you have said goes counter to their own narrative
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Wait, so Josh, you're just burying your own lead on here, aren't you?
00:28:08.480
So I'm going to have to do it for you and I'm going to tell people that he's not saying
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Do you guys remember the story that came out in this election, which really became one
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of the pivot points of the entire election, when President Trump was retweeting and talking
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about the Haitian migrants and the cats and the dogs in Springfield, Ohio?
00:28:30.240
Well, maybe what you don't know is one of the first accounts to talk about it was someone
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who's from that part of Ohio named Joshua Lysak.
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And said, it's 100% true and these people are lying to you.
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So I'm from Dayton, which is next door to Springfield.
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And it is regularly kind of known colloquially that Haitians in Haiti have from time to time
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consumed domesticated animals because it's a very underdeveloped nation.
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And that's sort of an environment, unfortunately.
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And so you bring that from there to here, it just simply follows.
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So I've been sharing the experience that I've had with Haitian clients and customers that
00:29:16.520
And oftentimes, that sort of fact-based information, even though it's anecdotal, it helps create
00:29:23.420
a fact-based narrative versus the communist oppressor versus oppressed narrative.
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They would say, well, obviously not eating cats and the dogs, you're racist.
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Well, okay, maybe they are, but that's okay in their culture.
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They have to shift because that's what the oppressor versus oppressed meta-narrative is.
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And one of the things that we have to understand about the left-wing establishment, instead
00:29:56.400
of meta-narrative, it's the story that is within every story, it's the story that decides
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every story, is that it rejects good and evil as existing.
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There is no view or culture or opinion or belief or behavior that's better than any
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And so that story, by the way, so a local story, which became a national narrative, and
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here's Joshua, who's able to tell us all that it was 100% true.
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PolitiFact just came out in the same way, and as Natalie was explaining that these organizations
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do, PolitiFact just came out and labeled the Springfield, Ohio story about the cats and
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They called it the lie of the year, even though people like Joshua and then Chris Rufo and
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I imagine that some of you got some burning questions to ask in just a moment, but I want
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to let Natalie wrap in just a second, but I also want to remind the audience of how you
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and I met and how this all began, because you talked about beats and having a beat and
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getting into that process and developing that mindset where you're hyper-focused on things.
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So Natalie comes to me, and she's pitching, like, I want to do this.
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She was 18 years old, and I'm, what am I, on my phone, or I'm texting or something.
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Yeah, we were in an Uber, and she was the driver.
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So I just turned to her, and I was like, okay, so what's your beat?
00:31:59.080
Well, that has not aged well in light of recent developments, but my concluding sentiment as the, not just token woman, but not to neg you guys, but the token young person on this panel.
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So, you know, the corollary to the fact that they've weaponized every part of society of this country is that within every, you know, nook and cranny of this wonderful country, there is a story waiting to be reported out.
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And my advice to people who are in college or high school, I was always told by people, oh, Natalie, you're so smart.
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You should just go write for the college paper.
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But I would rather go work for Steve Bannon and Raheem Kassam and host their show and actually, like, work.
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And, well, then I got kicked out of my sorority for being transphobic.
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But so my advice to young people is don't just limit yourself to the confines of your high school paper.
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However, the media environment and ecosystem is so ever-evolving.
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I know it used to be, like, you know, the kid would go on Fox and then maybe they, you know, start a media career.
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But now you have so many opportunities, so many shows that would love to have you on to talk about the woke stuff you're being taught in school, stuff like that.
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And then my other just piece of advice to people who are sitting here, like, cool, sounds good.
00:33:09.200
But I am a successful, you know, businessman or I don't work in politics and I don't know what to do.
00:33:14.600
Well, you guys have the credentials to write for, in my opinion, the publications that you're talking about, Joshua, right, the more business insiders of the world, the Forbes of the world, where you can sort of give that counter-narrative, that counter-perspective, that your sort of alternative set of apolitical credentials can give sort of more legitimacy to narratives that when we say it, right, it gets dismissed as the biggest lie of the year.
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But when it comes from an actual professional type, you know, we're smocked and smeared as the top spreaders of misinformation, which I say thank you.
00:33:43.540
But I think that that's sort of two alternative ways that people who are maybe sitting there saying, how do I get involved, can get involved.
00:33:50.060
Yeah, the amazing thing, ladies and gentlemen, is it's actually remarkably easy, I think.
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No, no, no, we have to tell them it's really hard.
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I mean, getting into it is actually remarkably easy.
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Because the media industry is in such flux, because these corporate news outlets are failing and collapsing, and because people are more curious than ever before and are seeking alternative voices, actually, you can force your way in and get to the, you know, I wouldn't say the tippy-tops immediately, but you can really, really make an impact remarkably.
00:34:24.780
Listen, the work itself, the day-to-day is absolutely hard work, but you've got to keep pushing, you've got to keep trying, don't take no for an answer, and the corporate press will always treat that industry like it's exclusive.
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Whereas everyone here, everyone at Turning Point, everyone who I know on the political right, we are inclusive.
00:34:43.480
We are here to help you, we are here to bring you in, we are not here to keep you out, we want more voices.
00:34:48.400
You know, I always quote the line from Men in Black, remember that, when he's training Will Smith in the first movie, and then by the end of it, he says, I wasn't training a partner, I was training a replacement.
00:34:59.920
We are constantly having to train a new generation of people coming up, new talent.
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Also, you guys are so lucky that you're on this side of the political aisle, because I was a 18-year-old girl from California who showed up to D.C., I just wanted to work in politics.
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And these two men, I'm sorry, but I didn't know you, you were maybe, you were in Dayton with the Haitians.
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But they were so kind and so empowering, not dating the Haitians, in Dayton with the Haitians.
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But that you guys, I mean, seriously, have been so kind and nice and supportive, and I know that you guys would do the same for, I'm sure, anyone who's in this audience.
00:35:49.920
Mostly because if there's more people involved, it's less work that I have to do.
00:36:02.060
Natalie, you mentioned a place to get deleted posts.
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A lot of times I try to do research, and I Google something, and you just get slop.
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Where can you go to get data mined, get more real information?
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One is called archive.is, which is better for, in my opinion, actually archiving posts that are live that you think they're going to take down.
00:36:25.960
And then there's waybackmachine.org, which gives you sort of a time map.
00:36:30.320
It lets you know when they've revised websites, and you can sort of get a metadata extraction to see what exactly they've revised.
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I'm where some of you might be like, what the heck are you talking about?
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One of the things that I will add to that as well is that a lot of people will get stymied by using Google, using mainstream search engines, and they'll give up very quickly.
00:36:57.280
If you familiarize yourselves with how to use search engines in an advanced way, you can actually just Google that, by the way, and figure it out.
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You can get a whole lot more out of a search engine than just typing in that bar.
00:37:12.120
And you learn they delete all their videos on YouTube, but they leave them up on Vimeo, and they delete all their documents from their website,
00:37:18.460
but they still keep them up on this site called, like, Scribd or Scribd, Scribd.
00:37:28.620
I'm the Turning Point Chapter President at the University of South Carolina, and I just wanted to ask you guys.
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How do you guys basically handle all of the backlash that you receive on social media and online, especially, like, Jack, in the last 45 minutes?
00:37:47.760
Well, I don't know about you guys, but it fuels me.
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The hate, the anger, the threats, it totally fuels me.
00:38:10.020
Every time, so Jack and I, we've had maybe 30 hit pieces written about us and the book, Unhumans, New York Times, multiple times, major, major presses.
00:38:20.420
And every time they write one, insta-share that.
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Grab the juiciest insults, highlight it, share it.
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So I will send out to my client list, look what they said about me today.
00:38:33.460
Wait, for the record, folks, he was sending the press releases to the journalists to get the hate pieces written.
00:38:46.200
You turn it into a marketing strategy and a business plan.
00:38:51.220
We write up press releases that sensationalize a story around the book or whatnot and send it off to socialist bloggers.
00:38:57.460
So Unhumans, the best-selling communism book in modern history, was denounced by the Communist Party USA.
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They wrote a 4,000-word book review as it's worse than every right-wing book ever written, which is just spectacular.
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It just seems like the mainstream media is dying, but until they say it, it's not official.
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And I'm just wondering if you guys have any ideas about how can we, like, create something where they have to come to your table.
00:39:36.400
You're the, like, we're there, like, ex-Twitter, but I don't know.
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They don't listen to all of these podcasts and everything, and I'll say, well, this is what's going on, and they just have no perception of the reality.
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So, you know, you can use the Haitians as that.
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You can use, obviously, yesterday, you know, who was driving the car with this horrific attack.
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I don't actually recommend people watching it if you don't want to.
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But the greatest thing we can all do is band together and stop listening to them and getting ā and by the way, J.D. Vance has been fantastic on this.
00:40:30.940
And by the way, the Springfield situation happened in his state where he was the senator, and he said, excuse me, mainstream media, I have people from there calling me, telling me that it's not true.
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You really just have to get politicians to hold the line.
00:40:46.660
And honestly, when you find ones who don't, especially if they're Republicans, I really recommend bullying them.
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I recommend demeaning them and just lowering their social capital.
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We need to shame Republicans and bully Republicans into doing our bidding.
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When we're on the truth, when we're on the side of truth.
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And I have a little bit of tough love in response to it, right?
00:41:17.320
Because, you know, all right, how many people in this room know of the National Pulse, the website that we run?
00:41:24.480
How many of those people have the National Pulse app with push notifications installed on their phones?
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And for the people who are building the institutions, you know, we have a nice, clean site.
00:41:41.520
We serve the news in a very presentable and respectable way.
00:41:44.780
But the problem is everybody still defaults back to like, oh, well, I'm going to share the New York Times article about this.
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Or I'm going to share the CNN article about this.
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Unless we invest in our own people, and I mean this to everybody in the room.
00:41:58.400
The next time, next year when we're up here doing this panel again, I want every hand up when I ask, do you have the National Pulse app installed on your phone?
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Because not only are we more truthful, we are faster than the mainstream media to all the stories.
00:42:10.500
And you get the real news up front and on your phone immediately as it happens.
00:42:15.840
So, in order to combat that narrative where people are defaulting back, we have to support the institutions.
00:42:23.320
It's obviously the post-millennial, human events, all of those guys too.
00:42:26.840
You have to invest in the people that you say you believe in, right?
00:42:33.880
We're doing a book signing at some point today.
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One at the vendor hall and then one at the RAV booth.
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And remember, the unsigned copies will go for more on eBay.
00:42:54.660
I have a question about when, like, especially when you're a local person, when, like, exposing
00:43:00.840
Like, where is the line that it may go too far or cause more controversy?
00:43:05.720
Like, example of, I know, like, there was the FEMA worker that with the text message,
00:43:12.000
But, I mean, I have had, I have gotten, you know, personal text messages from people from
00:43:17.780
nonprofits that claim to be nonpartisan or bipartisan that clearly show that they have
00:43:27.520
And sometimes by, you know, inviting them to talk or maybe gotcha them or exposing things
00:43:33.960
like that or recording them could backfire on your reputation.
00:43:38.240
And I don't know if those staff members even represent everyone in the company.
00:43:43.380
Like, is that always, like, where's the line where that's not the best way to deal with
00:43:51.960
In just 45 minutes, we've been able to go from a group of people who didn't even know each
00:44:02.300
And we're going to go and teach this to others.
00:44:04.240
Now, that's a great question because you do have to be careful.
00:44:06.720
And this is something, obviously, James O'Keefe has to deal with because he's constantly
00:44:12.220
So the main thing you have to do, number one, I think, verify.
00:44:15.840
You must verify the person that you're talking to is who they say they are.
00:44:21.100
This is something I had to deal with with source work in the intelligence community.
00:44:31.180
And if all of these things are verified and you have that person on the record, then as
00:44:36.340
Raheem Kassam just said, well, hold on a second.
00:44:42.700
And if they're using their platform, whether it be public or they're using public funds or
00:44:47.880
something like this or taking fundraising donations and using it for nefarious purposes,
00:44:53.620
like, oh, I don't know, the Black Lives Matter Global Initiative, then by all means, expose
00:44:59.500
Well, ladies and gentlemen, I think we're being given the hook here, but I want to thank you
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Thank you all for being here at this conference.
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I want to thank our wonderful panelists, Josh Lysak, Natalie Winters, Jack Posobiec.
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Please give them a very, very big hand and enjoy the rest of your conference and enjoy the