Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - February 23, 2025


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Jack Posobiec is joined by a panel of friends and colleagues to discuss a variety of topics, including: - What's going on in the corporate media? - What is going on with the stock market? - Is it a good or bad thing that a car has crashed into a German Christmas market? - Is there anything we can do about it?

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
00:00:40.400 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
00:00:46.740 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
00:00:50.160 Christ is King.
00:00:51.660 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us here and good morning.
00:00:54.980 And, you know, frankly, good new America to everybody.
00:00:59.460 We've got, uh, I always love being the British guy at things because it's kind of confusing 0.92
00:01:08.240 to a lot of people, especially, you know, there are all these events that we have to do.
00:01:11.820 And I was at the, uh, I was in LA just two days ago speaking with, uh, Karen Zygman's group
00:01:17.180 out there.
00:01:17.560 If anybody knows it, they're, they're doing fantastic work out there, believe it or not
00:01:20.940 in LA.
00:01:21.800 And of course, at the beginning of every event, there's the Pledge of Allegiance and there's
00:01:25.980 the national anthem.
00:01:26.820 And I just sort of have to stand there and be like, yep, you're singing about killing
00:01:29.640 us again.
00:01:30.380 You know, that's, um, but ladies and gentlemen, thank you for, uh, attending this morning.
00:01:37.120 As Steve just said down on the, uh, on the war room.
00:01:40.120 And I think we've probably got some war room posse in here today. 0.56
00:01:43.020 Quite a lot, quite a lot.
00:01:48.600 Jack, how much do you want this?
00:01:53.040 So Raheem always makes the, the, the American revolution joke and he's always, oh, you know,
00:02:01.160 you guys should have stayed.
00:02:02.460 You made the wrong move.
00:02:03.780 It was, oh, it was all wrong.
00:02:05.420 You should have listened to the kick and he's got this whole thing about it.
00:02:08.200 And then I, I guess that he, something must have happened along the way though, because
00:02:13.740 he's been here since 2016 and he's played a major role in the second American revolution.
00:02:20.380 And so I think we're winning him over folks.
00:02:23.720 We're winning him over.
00:02:24.940 Listen, you guys did the original Brexit, right?
00:02:27.500 I just did the second one.
00:02:28.840 So I want to welcome to the panel, you know, just people that I absolutely love working with.
00:02:35.140 Of course, Jack Posobiec being one of them, Joshua Lysak, who's been instrumental in Jack's
00:02:40.780 career, quite frankly, and probably one of my favorite people on planet earth.
00:02:48.660 And then also Natalie Winters is here, ladies and gentlemen.
00:02:52.580 Thank you.
00:02:53.260 The feeling's very mutual.
00:02:55.680 That was a self-introduction, by the way.
00:02:58.560 You know, this, this panel is, they asked us to put it together.
00:03:00.980 They kind of gave me free reign for, for what it's about.
00:03:03.440 Bad idea, turning point.
00:03:04.880 Yeah, yeah, this is a terrible idea.
00:03:07.540 I said, you know, I'm going to be fresh straight out of what Steve just said.
00:03:10.760 I came straight from the last party that was happening last night and straight up onto this
00:03:14.280 stage.
00:03:15.380 And I, you know, I think what's really important right now, and I think we all need to cheer
00:03:19.520 this and be grateful for it.
00:03:21.160 And thank God, quite frankly, that the corporate media is absolutely in free fall right now.
00:03:27.360 This is the, by the way, this is the corporate media that if you go and look up German Christmas
00:03:36.140 market right now, they will tell you that a car supposedly drove itself into a German Christmas
00:03:43.740 market yesterday.
00:03:44.960 Car drives into market.
00:03:46.580 Incredible.
00:03:48.020 It wasn't a Tesla.
00:03:49.940 It wasn't one of these Waymos out here. 1.00
00:03:51.720 I haven't even tried the Waymos yet out here in Phoenix.
00:03:55.020 Some, some people tried it.
00:03:56.180 Some people are trying to, to blow them up.
00:03:58.280 I like it.
00:03:59.380 I like it.
00:04:00.100 I like the solitude of it.
00:04:01.480 You don't get a, you know, smelly person in the car with you or whatever.
00:04:04.200 Um, listen, the, the, the corporate media is, has earned its collapse, right?
00:04:10.900 It's been not a journalistic, uh, endeavor for quite some time for these people.
00:04:16.240 And whether you look at the, the Don Lemons of the world or the Chris Cuomos or the, oh,
00:04:22.360 George Snuffelufagus is paying $15 million for his lies, right?
00:04:26.860 And by the way, they deserve a lot worse than that.
00:04:29.240 They're getting off light, if you ask me, defaming the president of the United States on
00:04:33.180 television.
00:04:33.560 Can we, can we, speaking of George real quick, can we see what I meant about the microphone?
00:04:38.040 I know, right?
00:04:38.840 So George Stephanopoulos, I don't know if you guys realize this, the $15 million that ABC
00:04:45.140 has to pay.
00:04:46.260 Did you know that that all has to go directly to the Donald Trump presidential library?
00:04:51.200 So, so hold on, hold on.
00:04:53.740 So my thought is he should open up a wing to all of the hoaxes about him and we name it
00:04:59.520 the George Stephanopoulos library of fake news.
00:05:03.560 I'm stealing that one.
00:05:08.580 I'm stealing that one.
00:05:09.640 That's a good one.
00:05:10.400 I stole yours yesterday.
00:05:11.280 So we're, so we'll make a Stephen.
00:05:12.460 It's just an exchange.
00:05:13.780 The, the corporate media deserves to be in collapse.
00:05:16.060 But I want to tell you guys, I see this trend amongst, and it's not a trend.
00:05:21.280 I mean, it's, it's the way of, of the world, of the TikTok influences and the Instagram influences
00:05:26.120 and young people all seem to want to be that.
00:05:28.060 But you know, my message for you from this stage today is that yes, that's good.
00:05:33.080 And you're reaching lots of people.
00:05:34.220 But actually there are real journalistic skills that you need to be building in to doing that
00:05:40.100 thing, to, to building that audience and to getting the truth out there.
00:05:43.640 Information is a weapon.
00:05:45.140 And if we use it right, we can defeat our enemies.
00:05:47.340 We can defeat quite frankly, the demons.
00:05:49.500 I mean, I've been on Capitol Hill for nine years now.
00:05:51.500 I have to fraternize these parties and these events all day long, every day.
00:05:56.280 And these people are absolutely demonic.
00:05:58.960 And what we need to be doing is weaponizing information.
00:06:01.300 And so I've got some of the best people about weaponizing information up on stage with me.
00:06:06.460 And I want to start with Natalie because I think she's just obviously been a breakout star.
00:06:12.420 I mean, frankly, a breakout star on the right, a breakout star in media,
00:06:16.080 a breakout star of anybody that I've ever worked with.
00:06:18.160 Do we love Natalie Winters, folks?
00:06:21.500 But the reason is she actually does the hard work. 0.95
00:06:25.920 As much as we, we like to joke around and, and, and hang out and whatever.
00:06:29.780 Let me just interrupt.
00:06:30.600 She does the hard work.
00:06:31.740 The two of you just last week were texting me, you don't work anymore.
00:06:35.680 You don't do any work.
00:06:37.260 How do you think we get you to work?
00:06:39.520 Look, um, I would also just add real quick too, on the whole media collapsing.
00:06:43.480 I think what really triggered them, made them really upset was when Elon bought X and I
00:06:48.280 think made the blue check mark sort of, he democratized it.
00:06:51.200 And I use democracy in the good sense, not the way that MSNBC does it, but that really
00:06:54.620 got under their skin.
00:06:55.620 Right.
00:06:56.120 And, you know, they get so upset when Elon says, you know, you're the media now.
00:06:59.740 And I think my question is, and always has been, you know, what makes these people better
00:07:03.780 or more, you know, efficient or truthful in their reporting of frankly anything to us?
00:07:08.320 And if anything, I think all they do is lie to us.
00:07:10.600 It's pretty apparent now.
00:07:12.040 So I think that compounded with the fact that a lot of the, um, what we call in the war room,
00:07:16.220 sort of the censorship industrial complex, right?
00:07:18.780 Uh, the global engagement center, uh, news guard organizations that I'm sure have probably
00:07:23.480 all censored you guys in the audience that they've been exposed.
00:07:27.280 And that was something that you didn't really hear a lot about before.
00:07:30.600 But so when you see that they don't have what we call sort of the Praetorian guard, um, no
00:07:35.600 longer to defend their narratives, I think that they've also collapsed considerably in that
00:07:39.660 sense.
00:07:40.040 Um, to, to Raheem's point, for those of you who don't know me, um, I'm the co-host of Steve
00:07:44.360 Bannon's war room, um, which we love the war room.
00:07:47.540 Um, I started, and it's so wonderful to see so many young people in the audience.
00:07:52.780 I'm also honored to be the token woman on this panel.
00:07:55.600 Um, but I started working, believe it or not, for Raheem when I was 18.
00:08:00.520 After I graduated high school, I was like, I really want to intern for Raheem Kassam.
00:08:05.660 I swear.
00:08:06.140 And my mom looked at me and was like, what, what do you want to do?
00:08:08.780 Okay.
00:08:09.200 We all tried to talk her out of it.
00:08:11.500 Yeah, he tried.
00:08:12.440 And I met all these wonderful people and they've been so empowering.
00:08:15.040 Um, worked my way up ultimately to become a contributor to war room, but now I'm Steve's
00:08:19.920 co-host and filled in for him when he was in prison.
00:08:22.540 And, you know, I think I see a lot of young women in this room and young men, you know,
00:08:26.120 there's different routes that you can take.
00:08:27.900 And I'm not speaking from a position of privilege or acting, trying to sound patronizing, but
00:08:32.940 I think a lot of people want to take the easy route and just do talking points and post
00:08:36.420 reels on Instagram, but you're not going to get anywhere.
00:08:38.820 If you're doing that, you have to do real actual reporting, real news, which I'm happy
00:08:43.480 to get into, it might be too granular for some people if you're not into it.
00:08:47.040 Um, but that's how you're able to build a career.
00:08:49.620 Don't do opinion commentary.
00:08:50.740 No offense.
00:08:51.540 The one thing I internalized when I started, no one cares about my opinion.
00:08:54.700 I was 18 at the time.
00:08:56.140 I don't know what I'm talking about.
00:08:57.380 So I really just stuck to primary source reporting.
00:08:59.700 And that's what I would advise all young people to do.
00:09:02.720 And I want you to be aware of this.
00:09:04.540 I wasn't saying that nobody cares about your opinion just because you're an 18 year old
00:09:08.180 woman.
00:09:08.400 And I actually have very little concern for, you know, general opinion.
00:09:12.740 I'm a news guy, you know, get me the information, the hard data.
00:09:16.740 I don't want any of this anonymous sourcing BS, quite frankly.
00:09:19.760 And I think, you know, when, when you talk about, you have to do more than just putting
00:09:23.860 out talking points over reels or tech talks, you know, you actually, as people who regard
00:09:29.740 themselves as influencers or who want to go that route, you already have most of the things
00:09:34.720 in common with, with journalists and, and, you know, it's, it's curiosity and it's content
00:09:39.760 creation.
00:09:40.300 Those are the two major skill sets that you need to go out and do actual news reporting.
00:09:45.460 One of the things I think you guys did, Josh, with, with, with your books, especially is
00:09:50.680 going further, going beyond, asking the difficult questions.
00:09:53.960 You know, that's real news reporting.
00:09:55.520 Talk to us a little bit about you and your process.
00:09:58.460 Yes.
00:09:58.640 Thanks for him.
00:09:59.160 Hello, everyone.
00:09:59.740 I'm obviously Joshua Lysick and I'm, my career began, um, in, in, in ghostwriting and
00:10:05.740 I've, I've ghostwritten a number of books, 96 books I've ghostwritten in the last 14 years.
00:10:09.860 So I'm a bit of a machine, but I'll say half of those have been in the last few years as
00:10:13.760 opposed to towards the beginning.
00:10:15.500 And of course I've coauthored, uh, Bulletproof and Unhumans, both with Jack.
00:10:20.440 Jack was, uh, thank you.
00:10:26.420 By the way, if you can get unsigned copies, they're worth more.
00:10:29.740 And if you're, Raheem, how many copies of your book are you selling here this weekend?
00:10:36.640 Zero.
00:10:37.320 Nothing.
00:10:38.260 Nada.
00:10:38.820 I chose the wrong seat in between you guys.
00:10:41.780 I ghostwriting coauthor books with a lot of the characters in Trump world and MAGA world.
00:10:46.400 Do we have anybody who's a simultaneous sipper?
00:10:48.440 Coffee with Scott Adams?
00:10:50.120 Anyone?
00:10:50.420 Oh, we got a few?
00:10:51.120 We got a few.
00:10:51.680 I'm one.
00:10:52.400 Okay.
00:10:52.860 So I work with Scott on his books.
00:10:54.280 Wait, wait, wait.
00:10:54.800 My mom's back there, mom.
00:10:56.200 You better have to add your hand up.
00:10:57.400 She's every single day, simultaneously.
00:11:00.000 That's my mom right there, by the way. 0.99
00:11:04.060 So the sort of, the sort of journalism that you might, that I call what I do is sort of
00:11:08.060 more like long form sense making, long form sense making, which is simply longer stuff
00:11:13.220 that helps you make sense of the world.
00:11:14.880 Now, one of the reasons why Unhumans, which is a book about communist revolutions, has
00:11:19.720 been so successful, selling many thousands of copies as it has and being a New York Times
00:11:23.860 bestseller, is not because it's history of the past, because it's a history of the present
00:11:28.520 and also the future, unless we do something to stop it.
00:11:31.940 So when we look back at history, we have to ask, what's in it for me?
00:11:36.040 So what?
00:11:36.420 So if you are thinking about authoring a book, authoring long form content, or even doing
00:11:42.980 any kind of reporting, you have to have, in the forefront of your mind, what your audience's
00:11:48.140 question is going to be, what your reader's question is going to be, which is, what's in
00:11:50.880 it for me?
00:11:51.560 Why do I care?
00:11:52.660 Now, there are both independent and mainstream journalists who think, well, we will make
00:11:59.080 them care.
00:11:59.780 We will use rage bait, rage and fear get people to click, clicks, advertisement, cash money.
00:12:08.780 So it's going to be, outrage is going to be fear, but that's not more, we don't need more
00:12:12.540 of that.
00:12:13.280 What we need is, wow, I never realized that.
00:12:16.280 I never knew that.
00:12:17.040 I had no idea.
00:12:17.980 That's what's going on.
00:12:18.740 That's how it affects me personally.
00:12:20.860 You know, there's that meme of the, the annoying soy jack, I think he's called, where it's like,
00:12:26.940 but how does this affect you personally?
00:12:29.840 That's the question that we need to be asking ourselves as we're sharing this.
00:12:33.020 Books on communism, nobody cares because it does not affect you personally.
00:12:36.720 So we had to do a little sense making and explain how the template of far left wing revolutions
00:12:43.540 and movements follow the same template over the last 250 years.
00:12:47.940 And we can expect to happen what exactly is going to, is what has been happening since
00:12:52.560 the 1950s, sort of a slow walked cultural revolution in the United States.
00:12:57.500 And this is one example to help people realize what they can do personally.
00:13:02.440 So chapter 13 of the book is sort of the plan to fight back on this.
00:13:06.780 And we tell individual readers who are like soccer moms, who are, they just started a podcast
00:13:13.140 and there's 50 people, or you just listen to podcasts.
00:13:14.940 What can the individual do, how does this affect me personally?
00:13:18.780 There's another series I like to do on X called Spot the Propaganda, where I'll look at headlines
00:13:23.580 from the mainstream media and I'll run through between five and 15, let's say, hypnotizing techniques
00:13:31.120 to bring you into a trance to accept the premise.
00:13:34.460 And one of those is the over-reliance on the passive voice.
00:13:38.080 A car was driven, individual was stabbed.
00:13:42.460 So it's sort of a passive voice so that, and that of course is communism, where it's
00:13:48.080 oppressor versus oppressed, where, well, if someone who is in an oppressed category did
00:13:53.940 something that's wrong and evil and terrible, well, we have to switch it from the active.
00:13:57.560 This person did this to the passive.
00:13:59.900 We don't even have to put them in the story.
00:14:01.300 And then, if they do have active voice, what will they say?
00:14:05.360 Republicans pounce.
00:14:07.340 You know, there's a section in there, and the media does this as well, and the communist
00:14:11.480 regime that we're under also uses this, where it essentially follows the narcissistic personality
00:14:18.800 traits of anyone who's been in one of these emotionally abusive, toxic relationships called
00:14:23.740 DARVO.
00:14:24.800 So has anyone heard DARVO?
00:14:26.180 I actually see some people have heard this one.
00:14:28.040 So have you read the book?
00:14:29.000 Yeah, yeah, okay, so it's right in the book.
00:14:31.760 And it's, once you see it, once you see it, you can't stop seeing it.
00:14:36.060 So this is D-A-R-V-O, deny, attack, reverse, victim, and offender. 1.00
00:14:43.660 So you deny, you attack, and then you reverse the victim and offender.
00:14:47.240 And so for those of you out there who see one of these things, like, for example, I don't
00:14:52.420 know, let's just pluck one out of the media, Luigi Maggioni.
00:14:56.140 So Luigi Maggioni is a perfect example of this, where we've seen increasingly in the
00:15:03.120 media, Vox and other outlets are saying, they'll say, well, we don't agree with what Luigi Maggioni
00:15:09.400 did.
00:15:10.060 We understand why, and here's why.
00:15:12.260 And so what they're doing is they're attempting to reverse victim and offender here.
00:15:16.680 And once you see it, you can't unsee it anymore.
00:15:19.600 And so these are the types of tactics that if you are a content creator, once you see
00:15:25.620 one of these things, it could be something at a local level, it could be something regional,
00:15:29.800 it could be something bigger.
00:15:31.440 Suddenly you can then become a, there's an interesting phrase that I heard once that
00:15:36.780 someone used to describe me and probably would apply to most of the folks up here.
00:15:40.960 It's not necessarily that what we're doing is journalism.
00:15:44.520 What they said is what you guys do is counter journalism.
00:15:47.780 You're doing counter journalism to the mainstream narrative.
00:15:51.340 You're doing counter journalism to the lies that are out there in the world.
00:15:56.060 You're uncovering truth.
00:15:57.900 And so when Natalie Winters can find the links between Anthony Fauci and Peter Daszak and
00:16:05.120 Shenzhen Li, the bat lady in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, it turns out that Anthony Fauci may
00:16:11.600 have been lying the entire time.
00:16:14.520 Okay, well, that is true.
00:16:19.800 I don't think Anthony Fauci likes me very much or Peter Daszak, but I'm very proud to have
00:16:24.760 done that.
00:16:25.140 A lot of my background in reporting was exposing Chinese Communist Party infiltration.
00:16:30.340 And I think a lot of people are like, oh my gosh, how did you do it?
00:16:33.880 And I think that you have to capitalize on the fact that the mainstream media reporters that
00:16:38.080 we're up against, it's not just that they have an agenda and are trying to, you know,
00:16:42.300 using neo-Marxist tactics, smear our movement in a certain way.
00:16:46.040 But they're also wholly compromised, in particular by the Chinese Communist Party.
00:16:50.940 One of the first stories that I ever broke had to do, it was hidden in the Foreign Agent 0.98
00:16:55.160 Registration Act filings.
00:16:56.400 And it showed that reporters from basically every single outlet, Washington Post, the New
00:17:00.640 York Times, even Fox, Harvard Business Review, dozens of outlets, had been basically taking
00:17:07.180 free, if not subsidized trips to China, paid for by Chinese Communist Party influence groups,
00:17:13.020 one notably called the China United States Exchange Foundation.
00:17:15.520 And in exchange, they had to provide, quote, favorable coverage or, quote, disseminate positive
00:17:19.880 messages about the Chinese Communist Party.
00:17:22.800 And Rahim and I later did more research into it because they had deleted the identities of
00:17:27.820 basically all the journalists who took these trips.
00:17:29.880 But I said, no, no, no, I'm going to find these people.
00:17:33.220 And I did.
00:17:34.540 But you have to, no, no.
00:17:37.900 But to the point, if you're standing up there and you're like, great, I'm on board, I want
00:17:42.640 to do the journalism, but how do I do it, so much of it is so simple in the sense that
00:17:47.480 you've got to learn how to use archive.is, the Wayback Machine, and you pull up deleted
00:17:52.560 web pages and you compare the stealth edits.
00:17:55.060 A lot of the documents that I have used for my reporting have been previously deleted.
00:17:59.940 It's learning how to kind of algorithmically, like, search the internet for certain keywords.
00:18:04.520 So there's a lot of tips and ways to, I always say, kind of hack.
00:18:08.140 And the last point that I'd put to what you're saying in terms of the syntax and the diction,
00:18:13.380 analytically, the framing that they use to just kind of elicit a sort of primal response,
00:18:18.940 right, when you read something.
00:18:20.040 They love the passive voice, anything except if it's not President Trump.
00:18:25.080 But that the timing of all these stories is very, very important.
00:18:28.980 What do I mean by that?
00:18:30.460 I'm sure you guys have all seen that, like, the bird flute, right, is the new big scare.
00:18:34.220 You can't go a day without hearing about it.
00:18:36.400 And there was, like, a three-hour period just a few days ago where the New York Times
00:18:41.800 puts out a long-form profile piece saying the bird flu pandemic would be the largest
00:18:47.160 catastrophe we could miss in human history.
00:18:49.520 And an hour later, Bloomberg is out saying, oh, lab leaks can actually happen.
00:18:54.560 Wild.
00:18:55.140 Imagine that.
00:18:56.220 And then MIT Technology Review comes out with a piece saying how a bird flu pandemic is going
00:19:02.320 to happen in the near future.
00:19:03.460 So it's just sort of a coordination and narratives.
00:19:06.560 And I think the one thing we've always sort of hammered on the war room, and you're probably
00:19:09.240 hearing me talk.
00:19:09.960 You can tell something a little off with my brain.
00:19:13.240 But it's all about pattern recognition and being able to see the threads pulled through
00:19:18.780 different stories.
00:19:20.100 And I think to what you're saying, kind of understanding what their ultimate goal is.
00:19:23.780 And in the case of the bird flu stuff, it's normalizing you guys, desensitizing you to
00:19:28.160 the idea that if a bird flu pandemic were to happen, oops, it just happened.
00:19:33.840 It's totally normal.
00:19:35.760 Yeah, look, I don't think any of us really came into this, I don't want to say industry,
00:19:40.680 but came into our roles as a result of somebody just handing us, you know, a pen and paper or
00:19:46.920 a microphone or whatever, or somebody subsidizing us.
00:19:49.540 We all kind of have really...
00:19:51.540 No George Soros cash for a fake girl in our careers.
00:19:54.540 Right, none of us are Nepo babies, right?
00:19:56.800 We all kind of hard grafted our way into this.
00:19:59.340 And when I started doing this kind of work in a much smaller environment in Westminster
00:20:03.420 in England, I was very much told like, hey, this isn't for you.
00:20:07.740 Don't you dare.
00:20:08.860 You know, how could you possibly compete with the BBC and Sky News and all of that stuff?
00:20:13.360 And the more people started to tell me that, the more it gave me the hunger to actually
00:20:17.020 go out there and carve this new media thing out for myself and build a brand and make
00:20:22.440 sure that people understood that, hey, you don't actually have to take what the BBC says
00:20:26.440 or what CNN says, you know, as a given.
00:20:30.060 And so I want to ask Jack about that, especially because, Jack, you have built probably one of
00:20:35.240 the largest X accounts out there now doing political news.
00:20:39.660 I mean, you did a lot of culture stuff early on as well.
00:20:43.220 I just talk a little bit for those in the room who are kind of keen to get into this,
00:20:46.860 but they see like, oh, I couldn't do that.
00:20:48.640 How do I do it?
00:20:49.220 He has 2.5 million followers.
00:20:50.460 How would I ever do that?
00:20:51.420 How did you get there?
00:20:52.260 It's 2.9 actually.
00:20:55.940 400,000 are fake.
00:20:58.120 And so, no, and thank you Raheem.
00:21:00.980 No, I appreciate that.
00:21:01.920 And if I were being a good friend, I would say it'd be like watching people like Raheem who
00:21:06.720 were there in the fight ahead of me.
00:21:08.620 But I'm not going to do that because he's already been buttered up too much.
00:21:10.600 We're kind of being so nice to each other right now.
00:21:11.980 I know, right?
00:21:12.280 It's so weird.
00:21:13.840 And so, it's basically the idea that I would say is there is news going on around you all
00:21:23.120 the time, everywhere.
00:21:25.300 There are stories to be told.
00:21:27.500 There are examples of counter journalism that you can do.
00:21:31.120 And every once in a while, something might pop into your lap or something might come up
00:21:38.100 and suddenly you have an opportunity to do that.
00:21:41.920 And it's something either you're passionate about or it's something that maybe affected
00:21:45.960 you personally.
00:21:47.120 Or it could just be something that you've always had a keen interest in and you want to pursue
00:21:52.420 that.
00:21:52.680 But you do need to have a certain kind of a beat.
00:21:57.080 You do need to have a certain focus area.
00:21:59.640 And it's important to actually have a background in some of these things.
00:22:04.740 So, you know, it's hard because these days on the internet, you're expected to be almost
00:22:10.140 an expert of all things.
00:22:11.940 What's your hot take?
00:22:13.140 What's your hot take on this?
00:22:14.620 I'm not going to say it.
00:22:15.260 I'm not going to say it.
00:22:15.940 But, you know, what's your hot take on this?
00:22:18.660 What's your hot take on that?
00:22:19.720 And there used to be this meme on X that, oh, the virology experts are now cybersecurity
00:22:26.640 experts and are now election integrity experts on day three.
00:22:31.100 And, you know, it's all the same people within the same week.
00:22:33.400 And it's ridiculous.
00:22:34.700 And so the idea is, and Steve Bannon had a quote once that, and Rahim kind of paraphrased
00:22:40.920 it earlier, but he had this great quote where he said, facts get shares, opinions get
00:22:45.940 shrugs, facts get shares, opinions get shrugs, find facts, find facts that no one else is
00:22:54.640 talking about, find facts that could potentially entirely change things that are going on in
00:23:00.720 the world around you, in the narrative around you.
00:23:03.240 One of the earliest things I remember that I, you know, quote unquote, went viral for was
00:23:08.220 simply finding all the way back in early 2017, that James Comey had changed his testimony
00:23:16.700 from one house appearance to another.
00:23:20.220 And in one house appearance, and, you know, I don't remember all that off the top of my
00:23:24.120 head, but it was essentially this.
00:23:25.360 It was, it was, it was essentially that he had said that he'd never felt any pressure from
00:23:32.080 on high during any investigation that he was conducting.
00:23:36.500 Okay.
00:23:37.260 And he said this in time.
00:23:38.660 2017.
00:23:39.200 This was after president Trump had become president.
00:23:41.280 Then a couple of weeks later, uh, after he had been fired, he then said, president Trump
00:23:47.140 told me to shut down the Mike Flynn investigation.
00:23:50.540 I don't know if you guys remember, this was a whole narrative.
00:23:52.680 And they said that Comey was actually fired to shut down Russiagate, et cetera.
00:23:56.940 And I simply posted the transcripts of the articles saying, well, wait a minute, a couple of
00:24:02.140 weeks ago, he just said he never felt any pressure.
00:24:05.400 But the point is that you've got to be doing the work.
00:24:09.120 You've got to be doing the reading.
00:24:10.740 You've got to be putting the time in.
00:24:12.360 You've got to be putting the hours in.
00:24:13.740 And people will say, oh, you know, Poso, how do you, how do you know this?
00:24:16.900 How do you know that?
00:24:17.480 You've always got like some comment.
00:24:18.560 It's when, when I'm not here or not spending time with, uh, with the lovely Tanya Tay and
00:24:23.820 the boys, I'm just constantly reading, I'm constantly consuming information.
00:24:27.900 And that's a huge part of it as well, because in this, this is why, by the way, have you
00:24:32.500 ever noticed one of these mainstream media types when they go on a podcast or sit on a
00:24:36.500 panel like this and try to go long form or they go on Joe Rogan or something and they
00:24:40.780 completely collapse.
00:24:42.560 They utterly collapse.
00:24:43.960 I've seen them by the way, in the white house briefing room, and perhaps we'll be seeing
00:24:48.320 them again.
00:24:48.720 I hope president Trump shuts that room down.
00:24:50.320 To be honest, I don't think we should be doing that at all.
00:24:53.440 It serves no purpose.
00:24:55.200 And, and what he should do by the way, is go to that.
00:24:58.840 Remember, you know, like the fake oval office that they have in the other, then the EEOB
00:25:02.280 next door, but they, they put Joe Biden in there to make him think he's president.
00:25:06.280 So, so take that room, by the way, take that room and then fill it with podcasters and
00:25:12.680 citizen journalists and people like the war room and people like real America's voice
00:25:17.680 and fill it up with people who actually want to tell the truth.
00:25:20.760 But I've seen those journalists and the quote unquote mainstream corporate media journalists,
00:25:25.300 and they have these producers and then the producer goes in their ear and tells them what
00:25:30.480 to say.
00:25:31.140 And then when they get off camera, they're scrolling Instagram.
00:25:34.180 They're like hanging out with their friends.
00:25:36.000 They have no idea what they're talking about.
00:25:39.560 They're clueless.
00:25:41.320 And the biggest thing that we, and so understand if you're in this world and you're in this
00:25:45.320 side of it, your job is to break them.
00:25:48.480 And we can't do that by just calling them names or accusing them and labeling them.
00:25:53.540 No, we break them with facts.
00:25:58.660 And something I could add if I, if I may to that is every, we may be up here, but each of
00:26:05.020 you have the capacity to be a sense maker in your industry, in your geography, in your
00:26:10.140 community, most of the time, at least in this election cycle and going back further, the
00:26:16.200 top stories that everyone is paying attention to that sucks all the energy away from everything
00:26:22.780 else and focus on this is because some person had a cell phone and they were paying attention.
00:26:29.080 You remember the Biden is selling off the border wall as fast as he can, right?
00:26:35.020 That story is because some guy was paying attention and he thought, wait, wait a second.
00:26:39.480 What are they doing here?
00:26:40.760 Are they doing what I think I'm doing?
00:26:42.220 So he connected the dots.
00:26:43.420 That's a pattern recognition.
00:26:44.340 Wait a second.
00:26:44.860 Are they doing what I think they're doing?
00:26:45.960 Pulls out his phone, starts, starts recording it.
00:26:48.080 He sends it to somebody, sends it to somebody, sends it to somebody, sends it to somebody.
00:26:50.640 And then it gets posted and then it gets millions and millions of views and everyone's
00:26:54.160 talking about it.
00:26:54.940 Each one of you have the potential to do that in your community.
00:26:58.800 And maybe it's just, you notice some corruption on city council or as Vanessa Bataglia here.
00:27:05.480 Vanessa, can you raise your hand, Vanessa?
00:27:06.600 Yes.
00:27:07.200 So Vanessa is a fantastic example of local journalism noticing, wait a second, the Chinese 1.00
00:27:12.040 Communist Party is having influence inside of my state.
00:27:15.500 I'm noticing things and I'm writing about it and they're getting published in large publications.
00:27:21.600 Each one of you can be the Vanessa Bataglia of your community, your state, your industry.
00:27:26.620 Just notice what is going on and write about it and talk about it.
00:27:30.180 And I don't know if anyone else on the panel will agree with me, but I often write pieces
00:27:34.640 that are counter-narrative for the mainstream press, for BBC, for Sky News, for Newsweek,
00:27:42.240 for Forbes, Business Insider.
00:27:43.840 And it's often the very first time that counter-perspective has ever been published.
00:27:48.880 And most of the time, these people aren't, as Raheem said, they have no idea what they're
00:27:52.580 talking about.
00:27:53.860 Jack said, they just have opinions, no facts.
00:27:55.580 So if you put something out there and send it to one of their editors to publish, they
00:27:59.760 may have absolutely no idea that what you have said goes counter to their own narrative
00:28:04.060 that they've been putting out there.
00:28:05.000 Wait, so Josh, you're just burying your own lead on here, aren't you?
00:28:08.480 So I'm going to have to do it for you and I'm going to tell people that he's not saying
00:28:12.740 it.
00:28:12.900 Do you guys remember the story that came out in this election, which really became one
00:28:18.020 of the pivot points of the entire election, when President Trump was retweeting and talking
00:28:22.560 about the Haitian migrants and the cats and the dogs in Springfield, Ohio?
00:28:27.200 You remember that?
00:28:28.100 Well, let me tell you something.
00:28:28.640 No, we don't remember that.
00:28:29.520 You don't remember that?
00:28:30.240 Well, maybe what you don't know is one of the first accounts to talk about it was someone
00:28:34.960 who's from that part of Ohio named Joshua Lysak.
00:28:38.940 And said, it's 100% true and these people are lying to you.
00:28:47.260 Go ahead.
00:28:48.300 Yes.
00:28:48.640 So I'm from Dayton, which is next door to Springfield.
00:28:51.640 And it is regularly kind of known colloquially that Haitians in Haiti have from time to time
00:28:59.680 consumed domesticated animals because it's a very underdeveloped nation.
00:29:03.700 You got to eat.
00:29:04.680 And that's what one does.
00:29:05.700 And that's sort of an environment, unfortunately.
00:29:07.420 And so you bring that from there to here, it just simply follows.
00:29:11.880 So I've been sharing the experience that I've had with Haitian clients and customers that
00:29:14.880 I've met over the years.
00:29:16.520 And oftentimes, that sort of fact-based information, even though it's anecdotal, it helps create
00:29:23.420 a fact-based narrative versus the communist oppressor versus oppressed narrative.
00:29:28.340 Well, they're poor and they're not white. 0.99
00:29:31.280 So therefore, anything they do is justified.
00:29:33.600 And I saw opinion makers do this.
00:29:35.620 They would say, well, obviously not eating cats and the dogs, you're racist.
00:29:39.540 Well, okay, maybe they are, but that's okay in their culture.
00:29:43.520 Don't be xenophobic.
00:29:45.200 Right?
00:29:45.560 And they just shift.
00:29:46.740 They have to shift because that's what the oppressor versus oppressed meta-narrative is.
00:29:51.800 And one of the things that we have to understand about the left-wing establishment, instead
00:29:56.400 of meta-narrative, it's the story that is within every story, it's the story that decides
00:29:59.960 every story, is that it rejects good and evil as existing.
00:30:05.380 It rejects good and evil.
00:30:07.080 Everything is equal.
00:30:08.020 It's communist.
00:30:08.780 It's communal.
00:30:09.560 It's equality.
00:30:10.940 There is no view or culture or opinion or belief or behavior that's better than any
00:30:14.880 others, unless we perceive you to have power.
00:30:17.900 And so that story, by the way, so a local story, which became a national narrative, and
00:30:24.180 here's Joshua, who's able to tell us all that it was 100% true.
00:30:28.560 PolitiFact just came out in the same way, and as Natalie was explaining that these organizations
00:30:33.240 do, PolitiFact just came out and labeled the Springfield, Ohio story about the cats and
00:30:38.740 the dogs as the lie of the year.
00:30:41.800 They said that's the lie.
00:30:42.940 Did you know that?
00:30:43.560 100% true that they did this.
00:30:45.500 They called it the lie of the year, even though people like Joshua and then Chris Rufo and
00:30:49.920 others found exact documentary evidence of it.
00:30:54.480 So we will move on to Q&A.
00:30:56.100 I imagine that some of you got some burning questions to ask in just a moment, but I want
00:31:00.360 to let Natalie wrap in just a second, but I also want to remind the audience of how you
00:31:07.540 and I met and how this all began, because you talked about beats and having a beat and
00:31:13.460 getting into that process and developing that mindset where you're hyper-focused on things.
00:31:18.220 I was referencing something.
00:31:19.920 So Natalie comes to me, and she's pitching, like, I want to do this.
00:31:25.660 I want to be a reporter.
00:31:26.480 I want to be a journalist.
00:31:27.160 I want to do all this.
00:31:27.700 I was 18.
00:31:28.140 She was 18 years old, and I'm, what am I, on my phone, or I'm texting or something.
00:31:32.320 I'm barely paying attention.
00:31:33.180 I just turned to her.
00:31:33.820 We were in an Uber, not a driver.
00:31:34.660 Yeah, we were in an Uber, and she was the driver.
00:31:39.300 I'm a good reporter.
00:31:40.540 I'm not a good driver, okay?
00:31:42.160 Facts.
00:31:44.980 So I just turned to her, and I was like, okay, so what's your beat?
00:31:48.820 And she said,
00:31:49.620 I really like Taylor Swift.
00:31:54.280 I didn't know what he meant.
00:31:56.300 I thought he was asking what music I like.
00:31:59.080 Well, that has not aged well in light of recent developments, but my concluding sentiment as the, not just token woman, but not to neg you guys, but the token young person on this panel.
00:32:10.780 So, you know, the corollary to the fact that they've weaponized every part of society of this country is that within every, you know, nook and cranny of this wonderful country, there is a story waiting to be reported out.
00:32:22.640 And my advice to people who are in college or high school, I was always told by people, oh, Natalie, you're so smart.
00:32:28.660 You should just go write for the college paper.
00:32:30.800 And I was like, yeah, I know.
00:32:31.840 Like, that's cool.
00:32:33.580 But I would rather go work for Steve Bannon and Raheem Kassam and host their show and actually, like, work.
00:32:38.060 And, well, then I got kicked out of my sorority for being transphobic.
00:32:41.540 That's another panel that we'll have.
00:32:44.580 But so my advice to young people is don't just limit yourself to the confines of your high school paper.
00:32:49.260 However, the media environment and ecosystem is so ever-evolving.
00:32:53.440 I know it used to be, like, you know, the kid would go on Fox and then maybe they, you know, start a media career.
00:32:57.960 But now you have so many opportunities, so many shows that would love to have you on to talk about the woke stuff you're being taught in school, stuff like that.
00:33:04.100 And then my other just piece of advice to people who are sitting here, like, cool, sounds good.
00:33:07.900 I'm on board with everything you're saying.
00:33:09.200 But I am a successful, you know, businessman or I don't work in politics and I don't know what to do.
00:33:14.600 Well, you guys have the credentials to write for, in my opinion, the publications that you're talking about, Joshua, right, the more business insiders of the world, the Forbes of the world, where you can sort of give that counter-narrative, that counter-perspective, that your sort of alternative set of apolitical credentials can give sort of more legitimacy to narratives that when we say it, right, it gets dismissed as the biggest lie of the year.
00:33:35.320 But when it comes from an actual professional type, you know, we're smocked and smeared as the top spreaders of misinformation, which I say thank you.
00:33:43.540 But I think that that's sort of two alternative ways that people who are maybe sitting there saying, how do I get involved, can get involved.
00:33:50.060 Yeah, the amazing thing, ladies and gentlemen, is it's actually remarkably easy, I think.
00:33:54.840 No, no, no, we have to tell them it's really hard.
00:33:57.040 No, but this is the thing.
00:33:58.860 I mean, getting into it is actually remarkably easy.
00:34:01.600 Because the media industry is in such flux, because these corporate news outlets are failing and collapsing, and because people are more curious than ever before and are seeking alternative voices, actually, you can force your way in and get to the, you know, I wouldn't say the tippy-tops immediately, but you can really, really make an impact remarkably.
00:34:24.780 Listen, the work itself, the day-to-day is absolutely hard work, but you've got to keep pushing, you've got to keep trying, don't take no for an answer, and the corporate press will always treat that industry like it's exclusive.
00:34:38.220 Whereas everyone here, everyone at Turning Point, everyone who I know on the political right, we are inclusive.
00:34:43.480 We are here to help you, we are here to bring you in, we are not here to keep you out, we want more voices.
00:34:48.400 You know, I always quote the line from Men in Black, remember that, when he's training Will Smith in the first movie, and then by the end of it, he says, I wasn't training a partner, I was training a replacement.
00:34:59.920 We are constantly having to train a new generation of people coming up, new talent.
00:35:05.040 Natalie will be old one day as well.
00:35:06.360 Oh, I get it, okay.
00:35:07.140 You'll have to do the same thing.
00:35:08.520 Don't go to journalism school.
00:35:09.800 And bring people up.
00:35:10.640 Can I interrupt you real quick?
00:35:11.760 Yes.
00:35:12.020 Also, you guys are so lucky that you're on this side of the political aisle, because I was a 18-year-old girl from California who showed up to D.C., I just wanted to work in politics.
00:35:23.160 And these two men, I'm sorry, but I didn't know you, you were maybe, you were in Dayton with the Haitians.
00:35:29.080 But they were so kind and so empowering, not dating the Haitians, in Dayton with the Haitians. 0.99
00:35:35.520 I need some media coaching, okay?
00:35:40.400 But that you guys, I mean, seriously, have been so kind and nice and supportive, and I know that you guys would do the same for, I'm sure, anyone who's in this audience.
00:35:47.340 So just take a chance.
00:35:48.680 You never know.
00:35:49.920 Mostly because if there's more people involved, it's less work that I have to do.
00:35:52.780 Let's take some questions.
00:35:55.500 We've got 10 minutes, so keep it brief.
00:35:57.600 No long statements, please.
00:35:59.160 No manifestos.
00:36:00.360 Let's start right here at the front.
00:36:01.660 Thank you.
00:36:02.060 Natalie, you mentioned a place to get deleted posts.
00:36:06.560 A lot of times I try to do research, and I Google something, and you just get slop.
00:36:12.020 You get the algorithm.
00:36:12.940 Where can you go to get data mined, get more real information?
00:36:17.280 Thank you.
00:36:17.340 Sure.
00:36:17.620 There's two sites that I like.
00:36:18.940 One is called archive.is, which is better for, in my opinion, actually archiving posts that are live that you think they're going to take down.
00:36:25.960 And then there's waybackmachine.org, which gives you sort of a time map.
00:36:30.320 It lets you know when they've revised websites, and you can sort of get a metadata extraction to see what exactly they've revised.
00:36:38.300 I'm where some of you might be like, what the heck are you talking about?
00:36:41.020 But I like waybackmachine personally.
00:36:46.260 Archive.is.
00:36:47.860 One of the things that I will add to that as well is that a lot of people will get stymied by using Google, using mainstream search engines, and they'll give up very quickly.
00:36:57.280 If you familiarize yourselves with how to use search engines in an advanced way, you can actually just Google that, by the way, and figure it out.
00:37:07.660 You can get a whole lot more out of a search engine than just typing in that bar.
00:37:12.120 And you learn they delete all their videos on YouTube, but they leave them up on Vimeo, and they delete all their documents from their website,
00:37:18.460 but they still keep them up on this site called, like, Scribd or Scribd, Scribd.
00:37:23.520 So you learn the hacks.
00:37:26.100 Let's go over here.
00:37:27.480 Yeah, my name's Trey.
00:37:28.620 I'm the Turning Point Chapter President at the University of South Carolina, and I just wanted to ask you guys.
00:37:35.400 Thank you.
00:37:36.040 How do you guys basically handle all of the backlash that you receive on social media and online, especially, like, Jack, in the last 45 minutes?
00:37:47.760 Well, I don't know about you guys, but it fuels me.
00:37:51.960 The hate, the anger, the threats, it totally fuels me.
00:37:55.540 Josh.
00:37:55.660 Yes, so remember this.
00:37:57.340 Bad reviews from bad people are good reviews.
00:38:00.280 Yeah.
00:38:06.040 Haters are your most valuable marketers.
00:38:10.020 Every time, so Jack and I, we've had maybe 30 hit pieces written about us and the book, Unhumans, New York Times, multiple times, major, major presses.
00:38:20.420 And every time they write one, insta-share that.
00:38:22.920 Grab the juiciest insults, highlight it, share it.
00:38:27.320 You know, and I have a ghostwriting business.
00:38:29.140 This is what I do.
00:38:29.680 So I will send out to my client list, look what they said about me today.
00:38:33.460 Wait, for the record, folks, he was sending the press releases to the journalists to get the hate pieces written.
00:38:42.160 That's how much he loves backlash against him.
00:38:45.780 That's actually true.
00:38:46.200 You turn it into a marketing strategy and a business plan.
00:38:50.040 That's actually true.
00:38:51.220 We write up press releases that sensationalize a story around the book or whatnot and send it off to socialist bloggers.
00:38:57.460 So Unhumans, the best-selling communism book in modern history, was denounced by the Communist Party USA.
00:39:06.880 They wrote a 4,000-word book review as it's worse than every right-wing book ever written, which is just spectacular.
00:39:18.340 Natalie?
00:39:18.640 I don't want to upset.
00:39:20.500 No, you go ahead.
00:39:21.240 It just seems like the mainstream media is dying, but until they say it, it's not official.
00:39:29.180 And I'm just wondering if you guys have any ideas about how can we, like, create something where they have to come to your table.
00:39:36.400 You're the, like, we're there, like, ex-Twitter, but I don't know.
00:39:43.280 Any ideas about that?
00:39:44.400 So just clarify that point for a second.
00:39:48.900 It's like I talk to people.
00:39:52.080 They don't listen to all of these podcasts and everything, and I'll say, well, this is what's going on, and they just have no perception of the reality.
00:39:59.680 Yeah, and usually what they'll say is.
00:40:01.360 Until mainstream media says.
00:40:03.700 So, no, I know exactly what you're saying.
00:40:04.860 So, you know, you can use the Haitians as that.
00:40:06.780 You can use, obviously, yesterday, you know, who was driving the car with this horrific attack.
00:40:12.240 And the video is very rough.
00:40:13.500 I don't actually recommend people watching it if you don't want to.
00:40:17.080 But the greatest thing we can all do is band together and stop listening to them and getting ā€“ and by the way, J.D. Vance has been fantastic on this.
00:40:28.540 J.D. Vance has been incredible on this.
00:40:30.940 And by the way, the Springfield situation happened in his state where he was the senator, and he said, excuse me, mainstream media, I have people from there calling me, telling me that it's not true.
00:40:42.740 You really just have to get politicians to hold the line.
00:40:46.660 And honestly, when you find ones who don't, especially if they're Republicans, I really recommend bullying them.
00:40:53.580 I recommend harassing them.
00:40:55.740 I recommend demeaning them and just lowering their social capital.
00:41:00.460 We need to shame Republicans and bully Republicans into doing our bidding.
00:41:05.880 When we're on the truth, when we're on the side of truth.
00:41:11.140 So, I get the question.
00:41:13.700 And I have a little bit of tough love in response to it, right?
00:41:17.320 Because, you know, all right, how many people in this room know of the National Pulse, the website that we run?
00:41:23.080 Okay, so about half the room, right?
00:41:24.480 How many of those people have the National Pulse app with push notifications installed on their phones?
00:41:32.140 Right, this is the problem.
00:41:33.960 No, no, this is the problem.
00:41:35.360 We all want to be part of the solution.
00:41:37.580 And for the people who are building the institutions, you know, we have a nice, clean site.
00:41:41.520 We serve the news in a very presentable and respectable way.
00:41:44.780 But the problem is everybody still defaults back to like, oh, well, I'm going to share the New York Times article about this.
00:41:51.240 Or I'm going to share the CNN article about this.
00:41:53.580 Unless we invest in our own people, and I mean this to everybody in the room.
00:41:58.400 The next time, next year when we're up here doing this panel again, I want every hand up when I ask, do you have the National Pulse app installed on your phone?
00:42:05.440 Because not only are we more truthful, we are faster than the mainstream media to all the stories.
00:42:10.500 And you get the real news up front and on your phone immediately as it happens.
00:42:15.840 So, in order to combat that narrative where people are defaulting back, we have to support the institutions.
00:42:20.880 And it's not just the Pulse.
00:42:22.080 It's obviously the War Room.
00:42:23.320 It's obviously the post-millennial, human events, all of those guys too.
00:42:26.840 You have to invest in the people that you say you believe in, right?
00:42:29.700 It's a two-way street.
00:42:31.020 And the books.
00:42:31.800 The books.
00:42:32.140 And the books.
00:42:32.760 Especially the books.
00:42:33.880 We're doing a book signing at some point today.
00:42:36.700 2 p.m., 4 p.m.
00:42:37.860 2 p.m. and 4 p.m.
00:42:38.880 We're doing book signings.
00:42:39.720 Where?
00:42:40.380 In the vendor hall.
00:42:41.220 In the vendor hall.
00:42:41.640 One at the vendor hall and then one at the RAV booth.
00:42:44.020 And remember, the unsigned copies will go for more on eBay.
00:42:46.140 I think we have time for one more question.
00:42:50.100 Anybody?
00:42:51.720 Let's go.
00:42:52.640 Oh, we got it right at the back there.
00:42:54.180 Yeah.
00:42:54.660 I have a question about when, like, especially when you're a local person, when, like, exposing
00:42:59.600 people.
00:43:00.840 Like, where is the line that it may go too far or cause more controversy?
00:43:05.720 Like, example of, I know, like, there was the FEMA worker that with the text message, 0.93
00:43:10.780 just skipping Trump houses.
00:43:12.000 But, I mean, I have had, I have gotten, you know, personal text messages from people from
00:43:17.780 nonprofits that claim to be nonpartisan or bipartisan that clearly show that they have
00:43:24.160 an agenda, but, like, otherwise do good work.
00:43:27.520 And sometimes by, you know, inviting them to talk or maybe gotcha them or exposing things
00:43:33.960 like that or recording them could backfire on your reputation.
00:43:38.240 And I don't know if those staff members even represent everyone in the company.
00:43:43.380 Like, is that always, like, where's the line where that's not the best way to deal with
00:43:46.840 that?
00:43:46.960 That's a really good question.
00:43:47.760 So this is a journalistic kind of question.
00:43:49.340 You're thinking journalistically already.
00:43:51.440 Look at that.
00:43:51.960 In just 45 minutes, we've been able to go from a group of people who didn't even know each
00:43:57.840 other to a room full of counterjournalists.
00:44:00.100 About 300 of us here.
00:44:01.480 This is incredible.
00:44:02.300 And we're going to go and teach this to others.
00:44:04.240 Now, that's a great question because you do have to be careful.
00:44:06.720 And this is something, obviously, James O'Keefe has to deal with because he's constantly
00:44:10.980 exposing people.
00:44:12.220 So the main thing you have to do, number one, I think, verify.
00:44:15.840 You must verify the person that you're talking to is who they say they are.
00:44:21.100 This is something I had to deal with with source work in the intelligence community.
00:44:25.140 So one thing we look at is called P&A.
00:44:27.540 So what is their placement?
00:44:28.840 What is their access?
00:44:29.920 Placement and access.
00:44:31.180 And if all of these things are verified and you have that person on the record, then as
00:44:36.340 Raheem Kassam just said, well, hold on a second.
00:44:38.520 That's not an anonymous source.
00:44:40.300 You've got a name.
00:44:41.420 You've got an individual.
00:44:42.700 And if they're using their platform, whether it be public or they're using public funds or
00:44:47.880 something like this or taking fundraising donations and using it for nefarious purposes,
00:44:53.620 like, oh, I don't know, the Black Lives Matter Global Initiative, then by all means, expose 0.81
00:44:59.120 away.
00:44:59.500 Well, ladies and gentlemen, I think we're being given the hook here, but I want to thank you
00:45:04.940 all for joining us this morning.
00:45:07.100 Thank you all for being here at this conference.
00:45:09.300 I want to thank our wonderful panelists, Josh Lysak, Natalie Winters, Jack Posobiec.
00:45:13.860 Please give them a very, very big hand and enjoy the rest of your conference and enjoy the
00:45:18.880 new America.
00:45:19.460 Thank you.