Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - February 22, 2025


BONUS EPISODE： President Trump Is The MOST CONSEQUENTIAL PRESIDENT In History w⧸ Roger Stone


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Summary

Roger Stone explains why Donald Trump's election in 2024 is the most significant political comeback in American history and why it's even more significant than Nixon's 1972 victory and the election of John F. Kennedy in 1968. He also explains why Trump's victory signals a broader political realignment, one like that of the country in the early 20th century.


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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
00:00:40.620 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
00:00:46.960 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
00:00:50.420 Christ is king.
00:00:51.960 All right, folks, we are here with the one and only Roger Stone.
00:00:56.540 We are on the sidelines of America Fest.
00:01:00.360 Roger, give me your sense.
00:01:02.360 You know, these America Fest events, as they've been going on, when Charlie launched this four years ago, we were in a quite different place than we are in 2024.
00:01:13.020 How is it, you know, and it can give us this sort of idea that we've never really seen something like this in American politics, certainly not in our lifetime.
00:01:23.000 Roger Stone's seen a lot, but I don't know if you've seen a comeback quite like this, unless, unless you think about the comeback of a certain California governor.
00:01:32.260 Can you compare what President Trump did, I suppose, from 2020, 2021, on to here?
00:01:40.760 Is it comparable at all to what Governor Nixon and then vice presidential and President Nixon was able to do?
00:01:47.200 You know, Jack, it's actually more significant.
00:01:50.120 Wow.
00:01:50.500 Here's why.
00:01:51.520 The reason that Trump's election in 2024 is the most significant comeback in American history is because he wasn't just winning a political campaign, even one in which a biased media was supporting and propping up his opponent.
00:02:06.000 He was fighting the full force of the U.S. government that was trying to bankrupt him, trying to keep him off the ballot, trying to incarcerate him.
00:02:16.940 And in Butler, Pennsylvania.
00:02:19.560 And trying to kill him.
00:02:20.960 Yes.
00:02:21.240 So while Nixon does, after the 72 election, face a tsunami of lawfare that ultimately removes him, and he did carry 49 to 50 states, so it's a more sweeping victory, but the forces he overcame were not as significant.
00:02:37.280 Well, and if we had the, if America had the specific demographics of that age, I mean, I would imagine that the statewide victory would have possibly been 49 or more.
00:02:48.400 I think the reason that Trump's victory is more significant is it signals a broader political realignment, one like we had in the country in 1932.
00:03:00.380 So up until 1932, the vast majority of African-Americans voted Republican.
00:03:06.460 Yes.
00:03:06.800 Because of the role of Lincoln in the Republican Party.
00:03:09.240 Lincoln freed the slaves.
00:03:10.400 In 1932, a majority of blacks still voted for Herbert Hoover over Franklin Roosevelt.
00:03:16.240 But by 1936, because of Hoover's anemic response to the Great Depression, blacks become Democrats because of the social programs of the New Deal.
00:03:28.520 And they don't come back until 2024 when Trump begins to make significant inroads among black Americans.
00:03:35.960 And the New Deal itself and FDR's coalition becomes known as the New Deal coalition for the next 50 years.
00:03:43.180 So then again, in 1968, we have another realignment.
00:03:47.440 Even though Nixon is in a three-way race and wins with a plurality, it's the first time that white Southern conservatives vote Republican.
00:03:56.560 Yes.
00:03:57.120 John F. Kennedy carried every deep Southern state in 1960.
00:04:00.180 That's right.
00:04:00.900 Barry Goldwater carried them in 1964.
00:04:03.220 That's the bridge.
00:04:04.440 In 1968, Nixon is now winning in the Deep South.
00:04:08.620 Wallace takes several states, but in the border South, Nixon wins.
00:04:12.040 So blue-collar ethnic Catholics in places like Pennsylvania, like New Jersey, like Michigan, like Ohio, like New York, are voting for Nixon and white Southern conservatives.
00:04:25.800 This becomes the coalition that ultimately elects Reagan.
00:04:29.440 It's a coalition that essentially Trump reassembles in 2016.
00:04:35.720 And then in 2024, he expands the coalition and makes inroads among blacks, Hispanics, young people, and so on.
00:04:44.440 So I think the alliance with RFK, with Tulsi Gabbard, with Rod Burgoyevich, the former Illinois governor, this is symbolic of a new, broader, permanent governing coalition.
00:05:02.220 Here are the fault lines.
00:05:04.040 People need to stop thinking in terms of Republican-Democrat.
00:05:06.720 The Republican Party is rife with corrupt rhinos who believe in nothing.
00:05:11.280 Oh, yes.
00:05:11.900 Well, they believe in money.
00:05:14.160 They believe in getting re-elected.
00:05:15.480 Certainly.
00:05:16.300 And money to get re-elected.
00:05:18.760 But what's happened here is those who favor war, those who favor censorship, those who think Big Pharma and Big Food should do whatever they want as long as profits are back,
00:05:30.120 they have gravitated to the Democrat Party, the party that used to be the party of peace, the party used to bitch about the FBI spying on people during the Vietnam War.
00:05:39.560 Now they love government spies.
00:05:41.420 You know, there's a video, one of my favorite clips that just shows this, 2013, on RT, of all places, with Congressman Adam Schiff complaining about FISA abuse.
00:05:55.680 Oh, look, there's a great video of Maxine Waters complaining about the CIA trafficking cocaine in Domina, Arkansas,
00:06:04.860 and selling it to finance the Contra's resistance to communism in Central America.
00:06:11.700 Roger, remind me, who was the governor of Arkansas when that was going on?
00:06:15.220 Well, you see, I can't remember his name.
00:06:16.400 First, they tried to bring the cocaine into Louisiana.
00:06:19.400 Right.
00:06:19.860 But the Louisiana state police wouldn't allow it.
00:06:22.260 Then they tried to bring it into Texas, but the Texas Rangers were like—
00:06:25.720 So they went north Louisiana.
00:06:26.980 Then they found a friendly governor.
00:06:28.580 I think his name was Bill Clinton.
00:06:30.100 Bill William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.
00:06:33.080 And he was willing to take a payoff.
00:06:36.480 His partner in this deal went to jail, by the way, a guy named Lasseter.
00:06:39.440 But, yes, it is an undisputed fact that the Central Intelligence Agency, under George Bush, and Bill Casey, the CIA director,
00:06:49.460 trafficked millions of dollars into MENA, Arkansas, to convert it to cash to illegally finance the Contra Freedom Fighters in violation of the Bolin Amendment.
00:07:00.360 And this is the poor Barry Seale, I believe, was the one who—
00:07:04.200 Right.
00:07:04.400 There have been several kind of sanitized movies.
00:07:06.860 I mean, Tom Cruise actually plays him in one movie.
00:07:08.060 Tom Cruise plays him in the most recent one, I believe, which is—I think they do a fairly good job.
00:07:12.760 It's not—it doesn't give you the full story, but for Hollywood, the fact that it was even made at all—
00:07:18.320 I agree.
00:07:18.780 —shows you something.
00:07:19.520 And if you're familiar, Barry Seale, very famous pilot, very famous for his ability to fly low below radar.
00:07:27.060 Right.
00:07:27.280 So he was flying all these drugs into first Louisiana, then Texas, then Arkansas.
00:07:34.140 He was making millions of dollars being paid by the agency, but the IRS kept trying to collect.
00:07:39.280 Right.
00:07:39.820 So he goes to Vice President George Bush.
00:07:42.540 His lawyer records this at the time, and he says, you've got to get these people off my back.
00:07:47.900 And Bush says, I don't know what you're talking about.
00:07:50.740 Right.
00:07:51.180 Three weeks later, Barry Seale is dead, shot in the streets of New Orleans.
00:07:55.820 And his lawyer who recorded that drowned in a bathtub in Miami.
00:08:00.400 What a terrible accident.
00:08:01.760 I'm so sorry that happened to him.
00:08:03.420 Very sad.
00:08:03.740 No, folks, you know, when we actually realize how our government has been run for so long,
00:08:09.900 and this is what I want to actually ask you about going forward, it's not just about President Trump's coalition.
00:08:15.320 It is historic from a political perspective.
00:08:18.460 But victory was, I spoke at AmFest here, and I said victory was not November 5th.
00:08:24.580 Victory will not be January 20th either.
00:08:28.080 Victory will be when in the military, what we used to call the commander's desired end state has been achieved.
00:08:33.960 And the commander's desired end state here is America being restored to greatness.
00:08:38.200 And there are many challenges and hurdles to that victory.
00:08:43.660 And I think that we're going to start seeing them probably in the first hundred days in terms of trying to deliver on these promises.
00:08:50.140 I could not agree more.
00:08:51.980 Victory can only be judged on the final day of the four-year term to which Donald Trump has been elected.
00:08:57.760 Until then, you will not know.
00:08:59.620 We only control the House by three votes.
00:09:01.800 Yes.
00:09:01.980 If the Democrats can't control the House, the whole cycle of fake investigations, fake claims, fraudulent claims...
00:09:10.320 Oh, no, I'll beat you.
00:09:11.160 No, I'll beat you again.
00:09:12.060 ...that they will seek to.
00:09:13.140 Yes.
00:09:13.360 So in order to avoid that, the most important thing that must happen in the first two years,
00:09:20.760 what must happen from the beginning of the very first day is we must have a boom economy.
00:09:26.500 Yes.
00:09:26.960 If we have a strong, vibrant economy, winning back the House will be very important.
00:09:31.840 The second thing we need to do is we need to deal with the question of election integrity.
00:09:36.800 Now, in Orange County, California, more people voted than are registered to vote.
00:09:41.780 That is an undisputed fact.
00:09:43.860 Speaker Johnson should refuse to seat the Democrat members from Orange County.
00:09:49.260 Read the House rules.
00:09:50.560 The House shall be the final arbiter of the legality of the election of its members.
00:09:55.780 He can refuse to seat them, and he should do so.
00:09:58.740 I'm afraid that he will not do so, but he should do so.
00:10:02.500 We should object in the Senate.
00:10:03.840 We should not seat Tammy Baldwin.
00:10:06.540 I call fraud in her election.
00:10:08.320 It is disputed.
00:10:09.160 As long as there is a lawsuit pending, she should not be seated.
00:10:12.340 If you do not use political power, you will lose political power.
00:10:17.120 Yes.
00:10:17.340 Now, could you get every Republican in the Senate to vote for that?
00:10:20.440 You might, because you're just diluting their majority by seating this woman.
00:10:25.140 Her election is fraudulent.
00:10:26.520 I'm sorry.
00:10:28.020 99,000 votes are found at 4 a.m., and they're 99% for the Democrat?
00:10:33.020 I've seen Eric Hovni's video, which he put out, and look, Eric Hovni is not some, you know,
00:10:42.780 dyed-in-the-wool, grassroots, conservative, you know, fire-breathing type.
00:10:48.440 Eric Hovni is a very serious guy.
00:10:51.040 He comes from the world of business.
00:10:52.360 He's not a politician.
00:10:53.660 Great mustache.
00:10:54.540 Fake mustache.
00:10:55.700 Great mustache.
00:10:56.200 Oh, excuse me, great mustache, great mustache.
00:10:58.540 Refused to shave it, even though I am told that a certain resident of a compound in Florida
00:11:06.360 had suggested so at one point.
00:11:07.880 But the idea is, you know, fake votes, not fake mustache.
00:11:13.460 The idea being is, if he were able to sit down, possibly privately, with members of the Republican
00:11:21.080 Conference, then possibly publicly have called to speak, I think he makes a very strong case,
00:11:27.020 and he doesn't come across really as biased, even though he has an obvious bias, is really
00:11:32.320 what I'm trying to say.
00:11:33.100 Well, but I guess the real question here is, if the state is not going to deal with the
00:11:36.700 problem, and they're clearly not, and federal elections are really not regulated by federal
00:11:42.120 government, and I don't think we want them to be, the Senate has a responsibility.
00:11:46.100 They can determine, through their own investigation, whether someone has been legally elected or
00:11:50.800 not.
00:11:51.640 They did this to us in New Hampshire in the 1970s.
00:11:54.560 They refused to seat a Republican congressman who had won a Senate seat there because they
00:12:00.560 disputed the election.
00:12:01.520 So, I think that our leadership needs to do more and recognize, if we don't win the midterm
00:12:08.440 elections, this golden age of peace and prosperity and security and justice will last two years.
00:12:19.780 And two years is not enough for some of these biggest pieces.
00:12:23.700 And you're absolutely right that losing the House and certainly losing the Senate or not
00:12:29.000 having the ability of a stronger majority there is going to deny the ability of President
00:12:33.820 Trump to be able to achieve this agenda.
00:12:37.400 That said, though, even with the current slight House majority and the Senate majority, a three-seat
00:12:44.620 majority there, but certainly 53 votes gets you quite a bit.
00:12:48.640 The ability, though, for President Trump to get through his legislation and some of these
00:12:53.640 early bills is also going to be a challenge, Roger.
00:12:56.740 What do you see in terms of the slate that President Trump should prioritize, let me just
00:13:03.180 say legislatively?
00:13:04.460 Obviously, we know in terms of the border, in terms of deportations, these types of executive
00:13:09.000 functions, a lot can be done at the executive level, but there will be a need for a legislative
00:13:14.840 pitch.
00:13:15.720 And so we're talking legislation, since we're speaking of the legislative branch, and really
00:13:20.140 that's been the flavor, I think, of the transition now.
00:13:22.480 The most important thing, I think, is obvious.
00:13:23.940 We have to extend the Trump tax cuts.
00:13:26.860 It is absolutely essential that the Trump tax cuts, which are set to expire, which the Democrats,
00:13:31.900 which Kamala Harris would not have renewed quite previously, the Trump tax cuts must be renewed.
00:13:37.880 I think this may be the single most important thing we have to do in terms of moving the
00:13:43.060 economy forward.
00:13:44.540 We have to, and I think that most of this can be done by executive order, we need to start
00:13:48.320 drilling for gas and oil.
00:13:50.020 Of course.
00:13:51.000 That one's kind of a no-brainer.
00:13:54.480 Beyond that, I think that you really have to use the executive branch power as they did.
00:14:02.340 We have a new House report that shows that Adam Schiff and his sidekick, Eric, swallows
00:14:07.880 well, without any question, leaked classified documents.
00:14:11.520 Now, they should be prosecuted.
00:14:13.600 Senators can be prosecuted.
00:14:15.000 Jack, no one is above the law.
00:14:16.880 Did you know that?
00:14:17.560 I mentioned that in my speech at Ampest.
00:14:19.780 No one is above the law.
00:14:21.020 Liz Cheney, no one is above the law.
00:14:22.980 Nancy Pelosi, Cassidy Hutchinson, Alyssa Farah, no one is above the law.
00:14:28.280 And certainly, well, if George Santos wasn't above the law, then why would a U.S.
00:14:32.820 senator not be above the law?
00:14:34.220 And Menendez?
00:14:36.040 But, you know, we have a very fragile majority.
00:14:39.000 We only lead by three seats.
00:14:40.780 You have two special elections coming up in Florida in April.
00:14:45.000 You have to win both of those, and I think we will.
00:14:47.600 You have a special election in upstate New York for Elise Stefanik's seat.
00:14:51.820 It is my understanding that she will not vacate the seat until the seats in Florida are filled,
00:14:58.680 which I think is wise.
00:15:00.240 But that seat held by Elise Stefanik was held by a Democrat as recently as 2015.
00:15:06.200 Yes.
00:15:06.520 So we can count nothing for granted.
00:15:09.760 We have to be very vigilant about protecting our thin majority.
00:15:14.500 But, look, the Speaker gets a huge amount of criticism.
00:15:18.380 I didn't like the continuing resolution because it was stuffed with pork.
00:15:22.720 It wasn't just increasing.
00:15:24.520 It was not just approving government spending at its current levels.
00:15:28.140 That's what they tried to tell us.
00:15:29.820 But there was all kinds of new spending in there.
00:15:32.140 Yes.
00:15:32.420 And, therefore, I think it was correct that it was defeated.
00:15:38.980 But Johnson has an almost impossible job.
00:15:43.320 Fifty percent of his caucus are rhinos who believe in nothing other than money and getting reelected.
00:15:49.020 They don't care whether you have evidence that Joe Biden murdered a nun.
00:15:52.920 They don't want Joe Biden criticized or prosecuted.
00:15:55.900 They don't care if there's evidence that, as vice president, he and his family took millions from China or Romania or Ukraine or Russia.
00:16:04.940 They don't care.
00:16:06.120 On the other hand, you have the firebrands who say, why aren't the Bidens being prosecuted?
00:16:10.640 Why are we not following up on all of these conclusions regarding the January 6th committee?
00:16:17.280 I mean, so he has an almost impossible task because he has to get a majority to do anything.
00:16:23.380 It's very hard.
00:16:24.000 No, I think it's absolutely prescient.
00:16:27.660 Now, at the same time, we have a situation where we know that in 2016 and then in early 2017,
00:16:36.900 elements of the deep state launched an operation against the Trump administration
00:16:40.960 and namely his national security adviser, General Michael Flynn.
00:16:44.040 That same deep state, these corrupt individuals at the FBI, maybe not the specific members of Strzok and Page,
00:16:53.040 but so many others are still yet out there.
00:16:56.260 And in fact, so many of these types do still exist within the intelligence community.
00:17:01.040 What should President Trump, and hopefully with a strong director of national intelligence as well as a strong CIA director and NSC,
00:17:11.780 what can be done to really put pressure to, number one, make sure that doesn't happen again,
00:17:17.580 and then two, make sure that it is rooted out?
00:17:21.160 Well, first of all, I don't know the answer to this, but if any of the 51 so-called intelligence experts, officials, current and former,
00:17:30.360 who claim that Hunter Biden's laptop had all the hallmarks of Russia, if they still have security clearance, it should be removed.
00:17:37.120 Yes.
00:17:37.320 There's step one.
00:17:39.120 Step two, I think Jake Sullivan, we know from the Sussman prosecution,
00:17:43.860 he knew that there was no computer terminal in Trump Tower connecting Trump to a Russian bank.
00:17:49.700 He knew that was a fraud, yet he allowed Hillary Clinton to push that false narrative.
00:17:54.720 He's also involved in the collection of the 51 agents.
00:18:00.380 It just seems to me, for example, we now recently learned that prior to the counterterrorism investigation,
00:18:09.180 crossfire hurricane even being begun, there's a secret off-the-books operation
00:18:15.800 in which two very attractive FBI undercover agents are infiltrated into Donald Trump's campaign.
00:18:23.280 They're actually in his traveling party while he's running for president.
00:18:25.980 This is in 16th.
00:18:26.860 Yes.
00:18:27.300 Yes.
00:18:27.480 And their job is to fish for evidence against Trump or members of his staff.
00:18:34.480 James Comey needs to be held responsible for that.
00:18:39.140 That's spying.
00:18:40.200 Isn't that what they removed Nixon for?
00:18:41.940 It certainly was.
00:18:42.920 He bugged the Democrats.
00:18:44.700 So the FBI director of the Democrat administration that was seated had their candidate running,
00:18:50.540 Hillary, who had also been a member of that administration,
00:18:52.800 was directly spying, not just wiretapping, but you're talking infiltrating the campaign with FBI agents.
00:19:00.520 Human intelligence assets inside Trump's campaign.
00:19:04.780 It makes Watergate look like small potatoes.
00:19:07.640 Oh, no.
00:19:08.280 But will Comey pay any—I mean, I've seen him with his Kamala t-shirt.
00:19:13.680 I mean, is he going to pay any price for this?
00:19:15.220 No, I think that—and people ask me this all the time, you know, we're reporters, I should say, not people,
00:19:22.080 that what is your sense on revenge?
00:19:28.080 What is your sense on retribution?
00:19:29.640 I said, I don't believe in revenge, but I do believe in something called reciprocity,
00:19:33.500 and I certainly believe in something called justice.
00:19:35.220 Justice, and justice will not be done until these crooked perpetrators have been brought to justice
00:19:43.600 and that the things that they have done, not just to President Trump, but to the American people,
00:19:48.260 are actually repaid.
00:19:50.380 The debts must be repaid, and balance has to be restored.
00:19:53.560 And if it's not, then there is no disincentive for them to ever just do it again.
00:19:58.440 So those who keep talking about revenge and retribution, those are guilty people who are whining out of fear.
00:20:05.680 Yes.
00:20:06.120 I believe what we're talking about is the rebalancing of the scales of justice,
00:20:10.800 so that we have one standard of justice, not two.
00:20:13.560 It's as simple as that.
00:20:13.980 So when James Clapper goes before Congress and says under oath,
00:20:18.080 no, there is no metadata collection program on American citizens,
00:20:22.620 and Edward Snowden proves that that's false, then Clapper should be prosecuted.
00:20:26.760 They prosecuted me for allegedly lying under oath in my voluntary testimony about Russian collusion,
00:20:34.220 which didn't exist, but why is Clapper now teaching ethics at Vermont College,
00:20:40.220 plus getting a fat paycheck from CNN, although money may be getting tight over there
00:20:45.260 since nobody's watching anymore.
00:20:47.580 It's just another example.
00:20:50.480 Comey lies to Congress about material matters.
00:20:53.180 Brennan lies about spying on a Senate committee that is investigating his illegal use of torture
00:21:00.640 in Afghanistan.
00:21:02.800 He lies to a Senate committee about it.
00:21:04.740 And then when he gets caught, he's allowed to apologize.
00:21:07.160 Shouldn't be apologizing.
00:21:08.340 Should be in prison.
00:21:09.720 So, yes, I don't think it has anything to do with retribution.
00:21:12.940 It is a—the universe will always correct itself.
00:21:16.320 Yes.
00:21:16.600 And that's what's happening here.
00:21:18.920 Well, I think it's exactly right.
00:21:19.820 And by the way, I do think Pam Bondi has the courage, has the grit to go after these people.
00:21:24.320 And no, they don't have to be tried in D.C.
00:21:26.600 They can be tried in different jurisdictions.
00:21:29.340 You know, let me actually ask you about that,
00:21:31.600 because this is something that you have a unique perspective, I believe, on,
00:21:37.060 a unique point of view, not only as a political strategist,
00:21:40.340 but as someone who's been a victim of that system, political prosecutions.
00:21:46.560 The Democrats have come up with a system through the D.C. circuit
00:21:50.180 where they know that if they drag anyone before a Washington, D.C. jury
00:21:55.880 that is a Republican or is in any way associated with Donald Trump,
00:22:02.420 they're going to get a guilty verdict, regardless of what the law says,
00:22:06.200 regardless of what the evidence says.
00:22:07.660 It doesn't matter.
00:22:08.500 That jury pool, we know, 95% Democrat.
00:22:14.000 So in what possible way could we short-circuit that
00:22:18.960 to be able to take that option off the table for them?
00:22:22.600 I've heard legislation.
00:22:23.840 I've heard some others.
00:22:24.880 First of all, D.C. should not be a circuit.
00:22:28.440 It's not a state, and therefore should not be a circuit.
00:22:31.100 Remove the circuit completely.
00:22:32.740 That's the first thing I would do.
00:22:34.180 Secondarily, judges who have made unconstitutional decisions or who have violated it,
00:22:39.820 they need to be called before the Senate in hearings to explain themselves.
00:22:42.920 Here's a shock for your viewers.
00:22:45.240 The judicial branch does not outrank the legislative branch.
00:22:48.680 They're equal branches.
00:22:49.900 The courts have no jurisdiction over the Congress.
00:22:52.240 The Congress does have jurisdiction over the courts.
00:22:55.240 So I think judges, like the judge in General Flint's case, who appointed a special counsel in violation of law,
00:23:01.980 needs to be called before the Senate and asked why he did that.
00:23:05.240 And if he objects, then they need to send Sergeant Armstrong to go pick him up and bring him down for his testimony.
00:23:10.360 Simple as that?
00:23:11.140 It needs to be done, but it's a question of will.
00:23:15.060 So let's take the famous Durham report.
00:23:19.440 John Durham is appointed to get to the bottom of Russian collusion.
00:23:23.360 He takes five years.
00:23:24.600 It doesn't take five years.
00:23:26.120 We already knew almost everything that was in his report.
00:23:28.380 But he had to make sure the statute of limitations ran over so that Hillary and John Podesta and Jake Sullivan and the other perps,
00:23:35.200 John Brennan, James Comey, Susan Rice, Joe Biden, you could say Obama, but I think the immunity ruling may make him, may protect him.
00:23:45.380 I'm uncertain.
00:23:46.480 But he waits five long years.
00:23:48.860 Now he brings an indictment against this guy Sussman, who's at the very, very bottom of the totem pole.
00:23:56.340 This is like indicting the guy who drove the getaway car for double parking while you let the bank robbers get away.
00:24:04.980 And he still loses because Sussman's a Democrat.
00:24:08.840 Although we learn a lot of those things in that trial, they should have led to other prosecutions.
00:24:16.260 There's no chance that Sussman, so Sussman lies about the status of Carter Page, who at the time was working as an asset for the CIA when he was conducting, and the DIA, as he was conducting these trips to Russia.
00:24:29.780 They get asked, is Page doing this on behalf of you guys, or on behalf of the CIA?
00:24:37.920 The CIA says, yes, he is.
00:24:39.240 The FBI then turns around to the FISA court, alters the email, and it's Sussman who does that.
00:24:47.280 Roger, would Sussman just do that by himself, this low-level guy?
00:24:50.980 Well, I mean, we know, for example, that Prosecutor Aaron Zielinski was a prosecutor in my case.
00:24:58.740 Questions takes the 302 of George Papadopoulos.
00:25:02.540 When they asked Papadopoulos, will you assist us in trying to find this mysterious Professor Mifsud, who you claim said that he had access to Hillary's emails,
00:25:13.620 Papadopoulos says, yes, I will.
00:25:15.440 Zielinski changes it to, no, I won't.
00:25:17.520 Why is this man still admitted to the bar?
00:25:20.140 Why has he not been prosecuted?
00:25:22.880 He's still working as an assistant U.S. attorney in Baltimore, but not for long.
00:25:28.640 Certainly not for long.
00:25:30.340 Now, this was something that a lot of people, I remember, even in Trump's first administration, were arguing for.
00:25:37.020 They said, leave some of the U.S. attorneys, leave these leave-behinds on the National Security Council.
00:25:42.080 These are careerists.
00:25:44.040 Just because they were in the Biden administration or at the time of the Obama administration doesn't mean that they are bad actors.
00:25:50.920 Roger, should that action be repeated?
00:25:55.000 Every U.S. attorney should be replaced, every single one.
00:25:58.380 And new people should be selected.
00:26:01.180 And people should be selected based on their qualifications and their commitment to real, non-political, impartial justice.
00:26:09.200 So, top to bottom.
00:26:10.740 No, I don't think anybody should be retained in the national security apparatus.
00:26:15.240 The people who invented the Ukrainian hoax were all careerists.
00:26:20.020 Yes.
00:26:20.200 The two twin brothers, they need to be breaking rocks someplace.
00:26:24.620 The Vindmans were on the NSC, and the option came through to have them removed.
00:26:33.440 And don't need to name names, but someone in the former Trump administration, who actually will be going into the new one,
00:26:41.840 actually said that we should keep the current members of the NSC.
00:26:46.380 We need a complete house cleaning.
00:26:47.960 We need to—this administration needs an enema, and I know where to put the nozzle.
00:26:54.220 It is time for a house cleaning.
00:26:56.280 I think that's exactly right.
00:26:57.240 Roger, so we've talked about the deep state challenges, and we've talked about the economic challenges as well.
00:27:02.860 You know, the finance guys tell me all the time.
00:27:05.940 They say—Zero Hedge has put this out, saying that they see the potential winds of recession, giving the debt issues that we are focused on.
00:27:14.760 What is—I mean, you mentioned oil, you mentioned the drilling, you mentioned the tax cuts.
00:27:19.700 How serious should President Trump take this potential threat of a recession in 2025?
00:27:25.060 I think he has to take it seriously, but this is why I'm very happy with his secretary of treasury, Scott Besson.
00:27:30.480 Scott Besson.
00:27:31.060 Besson is an outside-the-box thinker.
00:27:33.300 He's a radical supply sider.
00:27:34.680 He's got some very good ideas about how to reduce our debt, how to reduce inflation.
00:27:40.340 I think between Trump and Besson, who is a disciple of Larry Kudlow, they're going to get this economy cooking by the midterm election.
00:27:47.780 So I think these—look, as you know with Trump, all the old rules are off.
00:27:51.900 So the party in power loses seats in the off-year elections.
00:27:55.340 Yes, except for when they don't.
00:27:57.180 That isn't written in stone, pardon the expression.
00:27:59.380 So I think they need to understand—I think they do understand the need to get the economy moving.
00:28:07.580 Trump's deaf use of tariffs—I think people are confused.
00:28:11.800 Trump is really a free trader.
00:28:13.320 He doesn't want to put tariffs on people.
00:28:15.320 If you will just give us a fair deal, we won't throw tariffs on them.
00:28:17.960 But if you won't, well, then we're going to clobber you with tariffs.
00:28:20.840 And it worked spectacularly in his first term, and it will work again.
00:28:24.740 He would rather not have tariffs with Mexico or Canada or China.
00:28:28.180 But if they're not going to give us a fair deal, well, we can sell our goods and services in their markets, well, then he has no choice.
00:28:35.660 I think he's the best negotiator in the world.
00:28:38.860 You can see how some of these—like his statement that he's going to put tariffs on Mexico and Canada—brings them to their knees like that.
00:28:47.140 Immediately.
00:28:48.020 Because people know that he's unpredictable, and he has this great tendency to actually do what he says he's going to do.
00:28:54.060 So I think he's got huge leverage, and I think he gets the economy moving relatively quickly.
00:29:00.340 One thing that we haven't talked about directly, maybe indirectly, but it's also the external factor of foreign policy.
00:29:09.860 Now, we know that he has said that he's been working towards, potentially even before he takes office, an end to the Ukraine war.
00:29:17.060 We don't know if that will happen at this time, though certainly he's trying to bring all sides together.
00:29:24.180 Obviously, you have the situation in the Middle East, always constant rumblings in Asia.
00:29:29.940 When it comes to foreign policy, where do you think President Trump should focus first?
00:29:35.260 I think he has—it's a very difficult question, obviously.
00:29:38.120 I mean, put the sanctions in place immediately on Iran and cut off their cash, and they will run out of cash flows, because they've been on a spending spree since we gave them more than $190 billion.
00:29:50.320 So put the sanctions back on.
00:29:51.880 Even the Chinese will stop buying oil from them.
00:29:54.160 If you want to slow them down, you might try breaking them financially.
00:29:57.160 As far as the situation in the Middle East, I think there's a little question.
00:30:02.720 I think that Putin has actually exercised enormous restraint waiting for somebody he can actually negotiate with.
00:30:09.500 In Ukraine.
00:30:10.160 The Biden people aren't even talking to him.
00:30:11.980 We have no negotiation, which proves that they're committed to war.
00:30:14.580 They're not interested in the settlement.
00:30:15.940 They're not interested in stopping the killing.
00:30:19.040 Trump can get Putin to the table.
00:30:21.560 Trump has already proved that he gets Zelensky to the table.
00:30:23.760 Zelensky, after endorsing Kamala Harris, realizing what he's blundered that was, he runs to Mar-a-Lago to beg for absolution.
00:30:31.920 And Trump Tower, as well.
00:30:32.960 They both—they want to end this.
00:30:34.720 They both realize that this conflict must end.
00:30:38.360 The media can tell us that Ukraine is winning all they want.
00:30:41.220 They're not.
00:30:41.720 They're getting the crap kicked out of them.
00:30:44.120 And Putin cannot, for his own domestic political reason, he cannot lose.
00:30:48.900 He will not use.
00:30:49.620 And, yes, he will use nuclear weapons if he has to.
00:30:52.380 That's not where we want to go.
00:30:54.160 So I think Trump will negotiate a settlement.
00:30:56.620 By the way, Joe Biden blurted out, I'd be willing to give him the Donbass.
00:31:00.180 He said it.
00:31:01.160 Certainly did.
00:31:01.880 So when they come back and say, oh, well, Trump gave away half the country, which I don't think will happen.
00:31:07.360 So everybody's going to have to give here.
00:31:09.660 No one should assume that the war will be settled to the complete disadvantage of the Russians or to the complete disadvantage of the Ukrainians.
00:31:17.260 But I do think we have to stop the killing.
00:31:19.560 I think that's the first thing you must do.
00:31:21.120 Well, and someone who took a lot of bitterness and a lot of response and a lot of attacks for doing this, Tucker Carlson, when he went over and sat down with Sergey Lavrov,
00:31:35.400 I think it was very clear that watching this interview that Lavrov intended and the Russians intended that interview as a message for Trump, that they knew that President Trump would be watching this.
00:31:47.660 Obviously, I know that Tucker is close with Trump.
00:31:50.220 And so when people watch that interview and say, oh, that's Russian propaganda.
00:31:53.260 No, no, no, no, no.
00:31:54.220 It is a message diplomatically through certainly an unorthodox channel, but one that we can all see the direct connection to.
00:32:01.700 And what did they say there?
00:32:03.080 Certainly they pressed their interest, but they also said that they were willing to talk.
00:32:07.720 Yeah, look, I think everybody in the region has been ready to talk.
00:32:10.540 It is our State Department that is preventing any meaningful dialogue that might end the conflict.
00:32:16.880 So Tucker's taken a lot of heat for being willing to interview Putin, for being willing to interview Lavrov.
00:32:22.660 But in both those cases, I think they both tell you why they're doing what they're doing.
00:32:27.760 No, it's not because Russia has this territorial appetite.
00:32:31.260 They're going to gobble up Ukraine.
00:32:33.440 Then, Jack, they're taking Poland.
00:32:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:35.660 They're going to take Germany.
00:32:36.560 No, there's no evidence of that.
00:32:37.740 That's BS and everybody knows.
00:32:39.660 But, Roger, the media tells me that Putin can barely take over Ukraine.
00:32:43.620 If he can barely get Ukraine, how's he ever going to get all of these other countries as well?
00:32:48.080 It's, look, they're beaten and they know they're beaten.
00:32:51.120 Well, Roger, I will tell you this, though.
00:32:53.220 The one thing that I do hear from folks that, in the know, shall we just say, as we're on camera right now,
00:33:01.680 is that the message was essentially this.
00:33:05.020 We'll talk, but we're not going to talk forever.
00:33:09.140 And there is a huge hard line in Russia that believes,
00:33:14.620 and I think that this is where Prigozhin, the leader of the Wagner group,
00:33:19.060 and some of these other individuals are coming from,
00:33:21.640 is saying that this should have been done a long time ago.
00:33:24.260 Putin said that recently, by the way.
00:33:26.600 And if we don't deal with it in a way that's satisfactory,
00:33:29.640 we're going to be here in five years' time.
00:33:32.060 And so this has always been the crux of the matter for them,
00:33:36.440 is NATO and the missiles in Europe, particularly the ability of missiles to be within Ukraine,
00:33:44.820 focused on, trained on the Kremlin.
00:33:48.760 There's no question about it.
00:33:50.000 We're, as you know, this country is now in violation of the Budapest Memorandum and the Minsk Accords.
00:33:55.540 We're doing exactly what we promised we would not do, push Ukraine into NATO,
00:34:01.940 which means have NATO missiles on the ground aimed at Russia,
00:34:06.620 not to mention bioweapon labs, which Victoria Nuland blurted out, existed, and then tried to walk back.
00:34:12.920 Research facilities, Roger, research facilities.
00:34:15.640 That's a conspiracy theory.
00:34:17.440 So we're in violation of these agreements that we signed.
00:34:22.040 And the problem here is that I think this could have been resolved.
00:34:25.920 It would never even have started if Trump were there.
00:34:27.880 But it takes two to tango.
00:34:30.100 You can't negotiate if the other side won't even sit down and talk.
00:34:33.960 So Putin's right.
00:34:36.380 Conversation should have happened a long time ago.
00:34:38.640 We have to have a willing partner.
00:34:40.140 By the way, I think Zelensky's ready.
00:34:43.160 But Antony Blinken won't let him go, won't let him talk.
00:34:47.720 Everybody here wants peace, but this current administration.
00:34:51.300 And based on this incredible report I saw recently from James O'Keefe, Joe Biden doesn't even know where he is.
00:34:59.540 He's calling Washington looking for Jake Sullivan, who's in the same hotel he's in.
00:35:04.540 Well, and the Wall Street Journal finally woke up and did a random act of journalism, as Rush used to say,
00:35:10.240 and has told us that it turns out that they've been hiding Joe Biden's mental state this entire time.
00:35:17.520 Wow.
00:35:17.860 Just like all of us said.
00:35:19.480 Roger, we're getting into our last couple of minutes here.
00:35:22.400 But, you know, this has been, it's been an incredible 2024.
00:35:26.900 But I keep trying to remind people of this, that if we do not deliver on the promise of the coalition,
00:35:34.400 if we don't deliver, if we don't get RFK and get the Maha movement where it needs to be.
00:35:39.620 By the way, I don't know if, since we're talking Ukraine and Russia right now, I don't know if I ever told you this.
00:35:44.380 So, you know, my wife, Tanya Tay, and born in the Soviet Union, grows up in Belarus, comes to the United States.
00:35:50.620 And I was telling Nicole Shanahan this recently, that when Tanya comes to the United States and she's signing up
00:35:56.660 and she's getting a health insurance plan and she's getting in there and they do your basic questions about, you know, your health status,
00:36:03.120 they say, do you have any food allergies?
00:36:04.800 Most common question you've heard, right?
00:36:06.500 And you ask it everywhere you go.
00:36:08.000 Do you have any food allergies?
00:36:08.980 She goes, what are those?
00:36:12.080 What are those?
00:36:12.840 Because Tanya coming from Eastern Europe in a place, and has traveled throughout Europe in a place where GMOs are banned,
00:36:21.860 in a place where all these things are bad, Roger, it's not that she had never heard of a food allergy or she didn't have one.
00:36:27.560 She wasn't aware that such a concept even existed.
00:36:30.720 Yeah, no, when Tara Reid, you know her, is a woman who I think accurately claims she was sexually assaulted by Joe Biden back when she worked in the Senate,
00:36:38.980 when they basically sought to harass her and arrest her, she fled, she went to Russia.
00:36:46.720 And I got a text from her, she said, you wouldn't believe what the food is like here.
00:36:50.780 The food is so pure.
00:36:52.160 Yes.
00:36:52.260 The food is so good.
00:36:53.280 Yes.
00:36:53.540 The food is so much healthier than what they feed us in the United States.
00:36:56.560 It was an eye-opener to me.
00:36:57.980 I hadn't thought of that.
00:36:59.020 I thought kind of more like cabbage and black bread.
00:37:01.880 No, Poland, it's the same way I visited Tanya in Belarus, and there's clearly something that's gone on.
00:37:10.740 And look, you know, I think that America really trusts Bobby Kennedy in terms of this and wants to see that go through as well.
00:37:19.660 And I don't want to, as we're talking here, I don't want to skip over that as well.
00:37:23.660 No, I think that it's the second half of the promise we've made the American people.
00:37:27.240 It's not just that we're going to make America great again in terms of economy and peace and prosperity and security and justice, but we need to make America healthy again.
00:37:38.400 And I think President Trump's position on this is perfect.
00:37:41.700 I have a two-pronged plan here, by the way, something that I think is useful.
00:37:46.200 It's one action.
00:37:47.080 The banning of pharmaceutical advertisements for big pharma is it gives us a two birds with one stone kind of situation because, number one, it takes away so much from the doctors, from the population who want these drugs.
00:38:07.220 And, number two, it decimates cable news, decimates the mainstream media, and takes away their biggest overall sponsor.
00:38:17.340 I was talking about this on my show yesterday.
00:38:20.500 I'm a strong believer.
00:38:21.620 They ban alcohol advertising.
00:38:25.020 Cigarette advertising.
00:38:26.580 Cigarette advertising.
00:38:27.620 So it makes no sense why we can't ban pharmaceutical advertising, something that Trump must do.
00:38:32.560 I will tell you, and I'll throw this out, 1776 at humanevents.com, 1776 at humanevents.com.
00:38:39.640 Yes or no, do you agree with this?
00:38:41.420 This question, of all the things I talk about on the show, it is the one that has given us and garnered us the biggest response of anything, is the banning of pharmaceutical ads.
00:38:51.700 Roger, just a couple of minutes left.
00:38:54.460 You know, I have to ask, while you're here, what are your plans, Roger, going forward as Trump takes office?
00:39:00.760 Well, I certainly have no interest in any position in government, because I believe I'm interested in politics.
00:39:06.860 I'm going to continue to do my daily show, The Stone Zone, on Rumble, every day at 8 p.m. Eastern.
00:39:12.260 I'm going to continue to do my weekend radio show.
00:39:14.840 You've been on with us, Jack.
00:39:15.780 You were on for your birthday.
00:39:17.060 It was great.
00:39:17.400 I was on for my birthday.
00:39:18.120 In studio.
00:39:18.740 Studio was great.
00:39:19.580 It was a beautiful studio.
00:39:20.960 Every Sunday from 3 to 6 Eastern at wabcradio.com.
00:39:26.440 Worldwide, you can listen to the show.
00:39:27.840 I'm going to continue to crank out sub-stacks.
00:39:31.180 I'm going to continue to support candidates for nomination, initially, like Robert Kennedy and Tulsa Gabbard.
00:39:37.500 And I'm going to continue to speak out for the movement.
00:39:40.120 I might help a few candidates here and there.
00:39:41.840 Here or there.
00:39:42.480 But I will continue to be on the ramparts.
00:39:45.100 So, yeah, there's no slowing down.
00:39:47.240 There's no pumping the brakes.
00:39:49.960 There's no kicking the heels up for Roger Stone.
00:39:51.600 I'm just warming up.
00:39:52.600 Are you kidding me?
00:39:53.200 You're just warming up.
00:39:54.440 Well, Roger, it's incredible to have you here.
00:39:57.380 Thank you so much for being on.
00:39:59.100 Tell people again what the main site is.
00:40:01.060 Go to StoneZone.com.
00:40:02.660 StoneZone.com.
00:40:03.680 From there, you can find my Rumble show.
00:40:06.040 You can find my radio show.
00:40:07.540 And, of course, you can buy my New York Times bestselling book,
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00:40:13.980 The Bush Crime Family, The Clinton's War on Women.
00:40:16.900 It's all available right there in the store at StoneZone.com.
00:40:21.180 I'm telling you, Roger, as much as I love your books,
00:40:24.200 I'm thinking a book on Watergate.
00:40:27.860 I think it's time for it.
00:40:29.340 Do you think you have another book in you?
00:40:31.120 And could there be one on Watergate?
00:40:32.640 You know, I've already written a book called Nixon Secrets,
00:40:35.240 which exposes most of the Watergate story.
00:40:37.400 However, you're right, Jack.
00:40:38.860 Since then, a number of documents have become decreased.
00:40:41.740 So we know so much more about it.
00:40:43.600 Maybe you update it, repackage a little bit.
00:40:46.900 I feel like something, it's because, you know,
00:40:49.780 we've only got a minute left,
00:40:51.600 but everything that happened to Trump
00:40:55.020 has given so many people a new way of looking at their history.
00:40:59.140 And when you look, as you say, at JFK,
00:41:00.560 but then also at Watergate,
00:41:01.980 people, I think, are ready to finally hear the true story.
00:41:04.400 The same interests that killed John F. Kennedy,
00:41:07.560 the same interests that removed Richard Nixon and the silent coup,
00:41:10.820 are the same interests who tried to remove Trump
00:41:13.540 with the Russian collusion hoax,
00:41:15.140 and then the Ukrainian corruption hoax,
00:41:17.060 and then the January 6th hoax,
00:41:19.080 and then finally in a corrupted election.
00:41:21.720 I heard a line the other day.
00:41:23.880 They said, someone said, I don't remember what it was,
00:41:26.520 they only have three plays,
00:41:27.980 the Kavanaugh, the Nixon, and the JFK.
00:41:30.720 There you go.
00:41:31.340 Ladies and gentlemen, the great Roger Stone.
00:41:33.840 And as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.