Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - BREAKAWAY FROM THE BAY EXCLUSIVE： INTERVIEW WITH JON ROOT

00:00:00.000 All right, this is Jack Posobiec. You are listening to the Human Events Conversations.

00:00:05.980 What we're doing with these is while we're in between the holidays, I wanted to sit down

00:00:11.240 and record a couple of one-on-one interviews with people. So just sit down, take some time,

00:00:16.820 you know, get to know some folks that you may hear us talking about, but really step back

00:00:20.580 from the day-to-day of everything and go a little bit deeper. So I know one thing you always hear

00:00:27.320 me say at the end of every Human Events, I say, take it away, John. But who is John? Who is this

00:00:33.500 mysterious John? Why is he taking it away? And where is he taking it? So I've invited him on to

00:00:38.680 explain himself. Well, thanks for having me, but I feel like the mystery just makes me feel like a

00:00:42.800 superhero a little bit. No, no, no, we'll leave some of the mystery. Don't worry, we'll leave some of the mystery.

00:00:45.480 Yeah, some of it, your mystique will pervade. Yeah, we won't, we'll keep you somewhat shrouded in mystery.

00:00:53.260 But yeah, so for folks who don't know, John Root, he's a host of Breakaway, which is the sports

00:01:00.700 theme podcast on Turning Point Live. And he also hosts Turning Point Live on the couch every day.

00:01:05.660 So dual had it in terms of that. Plus he does a lot behind the scenes that I don't think that people

00:01:09.940 realize. But you, and I just recently found this out, have a totally different background than

00:01:17.040 necessarily, I mean, kind of like myself in a way, like I'm a prior, you know, Navy intelligence guy,

00:01:21.180 Navy intel guy, before I got into this, but tell people what your background is.

00:01:26.520 So my background's in sports media. So when it comes to Breakaway, that's something I've been

00:01:30.240 used to. That's your bread and butter. Yeah, that is my bread and butter. I've loved sports. I've

00:01:33.380 played sports. I played at Azusa Pacific University in Southern California. That's D2 football. So I

00:01:38.860 wasn't big time at all, but I've been around sports my whole life. And then ever since I was a kid,

00:01:43.740 I remember watching Dream Job. It was an ESPN show where they'd have contestants on to try to get an

00:01:50.060 anchor job with ESPN before they were woke. And for a long time, I wanted to get a job like that.

00:01:55.580 It always seemed to me that like ESPN was kind of the, like ahead of the curve with a lot of the

00:02:01.580 woke stuff. Yeah. Was that just me or were you kind of seeing that as well? Well, I was seeing that too,

00:02:05.960 but when they had a change in a regime change, basically, I had someone come in that had connections

00:02:11.180 with leftist politics and leftist politicians that there's, it shouldn't be a shocker to anybody.

00:02:17.300 And then especially too, when you see streaming services and everything find their way in,

00:02:21.980 there's highlights on social media where ESPN had to make a shift and then they dove headfirst into

00:02:26.840 leftist policies. But for me, I worked in sports my whole life. I studied communications and journalism

00:02:34.360 in college. Journalism integrity is something that I always hold dear and something I don't see a lot.

00:02:40.120 So for me, that's something I always want to put that in my content, but I worked for

00:02:43.360 a minor league baseball team as a host. And then I moved to the San Francisco Bay Area and I worked

00:02:47.360 for the San Jose Sharks. I was a host and reporter for them for about five seasons. I worked for the

00:02:52.580 Golden State Warriors organization. I worked for NBC Sports Bay Area in California. So I was involved

00:02:57.780 in that sports scene. So you're kind of like working your way up through the Bay Area sports scene.

00:03:01.960 Yeah, for me. And then I was, I was born in the Bay Area too. So getting to work in the Bay Area was a

00:03:06.160 dream come true for me. I watched the Sharks when I was a kid. And then now I'm able to entertain

00:03:09.680 thousands of fans online and in the arena. It was a dream to me, but I saw politics, not only

00:03:15.460 seeping, but flooding into sports. So I had a little bit of awakening and I started listening

00:03:20.920 to Charlie. I listened to Ben Shapiro. I listened to some of the biggest political commentators

00:03:24.800 because I had, you got a sense that something was a little off. Exactly. Yeah. Cause I was seeing this

00:03:30.520 big push, especially when you're living in the San Francisco Bay Area, like pride is everywhere.

00:03:35.740 Oh yeah. Everything's rainbow. San Francisco is like the, you know. It's the gay capital of the 1.00

00:03:39.720 world. The capital. Yeah. It's the capital. And I've seen. Pride capital. Definitely. It's the

00:03:43.040 crack capital too. I mean, I could go off on stories about seeing people shooting up and crap.

00:03:46.820 Oh, I want to get into that. Yeah. Cause I do want to ask you about that, but. That's a little,

00:03:50.500 that's a little teaser for everybody. We need the story of John first. But for me, I was,

00:03:54.740 I was. So you're doing all that. And yet now you're here for your time doing, doing

00:03:58.520 turning points. So what, what happened there? So for me, I just started diving into

00:04:03.500 politics probably around 2014 is when I was really following politics. And then especially

00:04:10.680 that election with Hillary and Trump, I was like, I need to understand what's going on

00:04:15.980 here because every single sports outlet is diving into politics. It seems like every single league

00:04:20.780 and team has something to say about what's going on here. And it seems like, uh, it's definitely

00:04:25.540 a pun. There was a turning point. And that was my, that was my turning point where I have

00:04:29.620 to really understand. I understood my faith. I went to a Christian school. I've been a Christian

00:04:34.500 my whole life and I can go off about theology and talk about that forever. And I was always

00:04:39.120 very outspoken about my faith, but politics, I need to be able to explain my politics. That's

00:04:44.740 something we talk about at turning point USA all the time. These kids come up to us and

00:04:48.120 they're like, well, I need resources to understand. Now, how do I talk about COVID? How do I talk

00:04:52.420 about these politicians, these bills, what's going on in my city? And for me, I started

00:04:56.640 diving headfirst into that because politics and sports there, they intertwined. So for

00:05:02.640 me, I was just as well-versed in politics by 2016 as I was in sports, which I always thought

00:05:08.640 was weird for me because when you look at, you know, any contest in sports, right, it's,

00:05:15.680 you would think that it's actually the most conservative thing that we still have in America,

00:05:20.820 right? Because there is a point system. There is a rule system. I mean, obviously, you know,

00:05:26.700 in every, of course, we argue over the application of those rules from game to game or from official to

00:05:31.440 official. And of course, that's a big part of it, but you know, it is basically, it is a meritocracy.

00:05:37.820 Can you put points on the board? Can you win the game, whether it's, you know, catching a ball or

00:05:44.120 running a ball or running as fast as possible or, you know, whatever that is, there's no system at the

00:05:50.180 end where they say, oh, this team got too many points and we're going to redistribute those points

00:05:54.340 over because of more equity that, I mean, that would fly in the face of the entire purpose of

00:05:59.620 sports to begin with. So it always struck me as so strange that they would go for sports first, but

00:06:06.880 then again, at the same time, they kind of had to, right? Because sports is just inherently a

00:06:12.960 meritocracy. It is based on, you know, sink or swim. Like, can you make it or not? The best player

00:06:17.940 gets the job. How many, how many white cornerbacks have you seen in the NFL over the past two

00:06:22.700 decades? Yeah. And that was over, that was over the last year. Right. So anytime people are saying,

00:06:28.220 like, oh, I want sports to look like America and the diversity of America. Honestly, you don't want 1.00

00:06:33.680 more white guys in the secondary in, in the NFL. And a lot of people start pushing all this whole

00:06:39.580 equity and it doesn't make sense. One thing I've always said, and I'm, you know, I'm from the

00:06:45.100 Philadelphia area. So Eagles culture is everywhere. It's pervasive. All of it. No, I've, I've met

00:06:51.700 Vince actually a couple of times. And I've never once heard anyone in Philadelphia say,

00:06:59.740 oh, I disapprove of the demographics of this team. And we need to have more of this and less

00:07:06.140 of that. And it's like, no, you talk about players and you say, oh, you know, you know,

00:07:11.700 McNabb martyrs to the Superbowl, but he couldn't make it. And Andy was up here and Reed should

00:07:16.420 have done this and his clock management and all right. Like that's a little rush. Limbaugh

00:07:20.380 got what you would talk about for that when he was working at ESPN. Right. Right. You

00:07:24.340 had all, he had all the other guys over. Yeah. Yeah. They were agreeing with him. And there

00:07:30.260 was almost a sense of, and I, I want to be careful. My words, what he pointed out, what rush

00:07:34.980 pointed out was, was that you were trying to push a PC narrative because you want a certain

00:07:40.340 outcome, but I'm looking at the statistics and I'm just not seeing what you're saying.

00:07:45.340 And people were actually rooting for Donovan McNabb because they wanted to see a black 1.00

00:07:49.580 quarterback succeed. I wanted to see it because there's, as an Eagles fan, I wanted to succeed.

00:07:55.860 Yeah. Right. Obviously. And that's sports because you just want people to succeed no matter what

00:08:00.340 color they are. And obviously there's certain people we don't want to succeed now because you

00:08:04.820 have people like LeBron. I want to see him fail. Yeah, no, I'm good with that. LeBron,

00:08:08.600 LeBron crash and burn. But when it comes to seeing people at face value, it doesn't matter.

00:08:13.420 LeBron to me, it's the people always, this is the big debate. MJ versus LeBron.

00:08:18.580 As simple as this, LeBron is not a champion. He doesn't act like a champion. He doesn't act like

00:08:23.820 a leader. He's not somebody who you can look at that guy and say, yeah, that's a champion. That's

00:08:29.380 how a champion carries himself because the way he carries himself is childish. It's vindictive.

00:08:35.100 It's very personal and it's very selfish. And I get that he's done a lot of charity work

00:08:40.060 and I'm not, you know, attacking that in any way. But to me, I always liked what.

00:08:47.500 Tell them it's not a good time. I know, right? I always liked what I always liked what MJ had

00:08:54.580 to say when he was like, look, they said, why don't you talk about politics? And he said,

00:08:58.680 look, people on the right buy shoes, too. Republicans buy sneakers, too. Yeah. Like

00:09:03.140 and you can just say that and you don't have to make everything political, but that's

00:09:06.840 completely changed. And and even beyond politics, just the way he carried himself, right? The way

00:09:12.100 he carried himself. We can look at that and say, yeah, that guy's a role model. Like you can have

00:09:16.780 a lot of respect for that guy. And he puts the W's on the board at the same time. I mean, just looked

00:09:21.120 at someone like Tom Brady. Tom Brady, if you want to see a leader, that is the leader you want to look

00:09:26.700 at. That's someone that makes people better. And that's why you have these dynasties that

00:09:31.700 happen in New England with the Patriots. Bill Belichick, he's a great coach. There's a reason

00:09:35.320 that Mac Jones just jumped in this year and I can go off on sports about this. But there's a reason

00:09:40.340 they've been successful. There's a reason Tom Brady can switch teams and take the Buccaneers from

00:09:44.420 one of the worst teams in the NFC South to a Super Bowl champion the very next year. Right. And

00:09:49.400 they said he couldn't do it. Yeah, they said he couldn't do it. I kind of hoped he wouldn't do it

00:09:52.760 because randomly enough, I'm an Atlanta Falcons fan. Probably the worst decision I ever made in my

00:09:56.680 life was that. But any time. So the other thing that I really wanted to get into, though,

00:10:02.660 you know, talking about this, you know, you've made the jump, you made the plunge, you know,

00:10:06.160 the way Brady made the plunge to Tampa. You know, you're here in politics. But, you know, one thing

00:10:12.540 and I mentioned from the Philadelphia area, you're from the San Francisco area.

00:10:18.660 What is going on with these cities? Because you were working directly there. Now, I've been out of

00:10:24.760 Philadelphia for about 10 years, so I haven't seen this drastic change as I've seen now. But we just

00:10:30.520 had a situation where a couple of weeks ago here, there was a student murdered on my campus at Temple

00:10:36.280 University where I went to school. Student murdered there in a carjacking. Just guy tried to take his

00:10:41.320 car. They struggled over it. Ends up dead. Shoots him on the street. Broad daylight. Right. Meanwhile,

00:10:48.640 you've got San Francisco and Schellenberger has a new book out, San Francisco, where it's like and I

00:10:53.940 appreciate this guy admitting it where he says, look, we were wrong. Everything we thought. So

00:10:58.440 tell me while you were working there, what kind of what were some of these changes that you were

00:11:02.540 seeing? Because think of it, right? On one hand, you're telling me in sports, oh, we're getting so

00:11:06.020 political. We're getting so progressive. We're looking forward. But all around you, it didn't seem

00:11:11.820 like things were, you know, really progressing. It seemed like they were getting worse. Well, that's

00:11:16.040 what's funny, too, is because the left is always going to say we have this progressive agenda,

00:11:19.620 like it's going to get us to some oasis, some place that's going to make it better. And I remember

00:11:24.240 going to San Francisco when I was a kid. It's one of the most it used to be one of the most

00:11:28.320 beautiful places on Earth. You go to the Presidio, you go to Golden Gate Park. It's some of these

00:11:33.320 scenes are like you watch the movie Vertigo and you see how San Francisco was. I guess that was like

00:11:37.900 probably probably late 50s. Just gorgeous. Every every shot of that's Hitchcock. You know, that's what he was

00:11:43.700 always known for like doing on location stuff. But it's like Southern France, San Francisco.

00:11:48.620 And literally in San Francisco, it got worse and worse and worse every single year. So for me going

00:11:54.380 there as a kid with my family, just packing into the station wagon is it was beautiful. And then you

00:12:00.880 have politicians there that say, hey, we're going to allow people to shoot up in the streets, crap in

00:12:04.860 the streets, piss in the street. And then we're going to pay people an unbelievable wage to clean that 1.00

00:12:09.760 crap up. And then people can talk about San Francisco on and on and on. And then just all

00:12:16.840 the Bay Area. But I lived it. I was working for an e-sports company and I did some work with NBC

00:12:21.740 Sports, like I said earlier, and I'm walking through the streets and I had to pick and choose what

00:12:26.480 streets I was going to go down. And for me, I'm a pretty big dude. I'm six, five, about 220. And I feel

00:12:33.000 like I can handle myself. But there were certain times where I need to figure out the best route to get

00:12:37.380 to BART, which was our basically subway system that we had there. And now you have politicians

00:12:44.140 that are saying, hey, we're going to pay you a certain amount of money to not shoot people.

00:12:47.520 And if you steal... What do you mean pay you money not to shoot people? Pay who?

00:12:51.400 That's what they're... So some of these criminals out there, if you're out there, there's crime all

00:12:56.500 across San Francisco. And if you're not going to get into that, they're almost going to be

00:13:01.260 incentivizing people to not shoot people. It's like, here's some money for this. Or here's how you can...

00:13:06.660 Because that works, for example, like when we pay off the Taliban. 0.88

00:13:09.640 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It totally works. When you give them money...

00:13:11.420 People we definitely should be working with.

00:13:13.340 No, I mean, it's like they fundamentally don't understand human nature. When you give someone

00:13:17.360 money for something, you are going to increase it because they realize that whatever you did...

00:13:21.160 I think I just broke the desk there somehow. Whatever they just did got them money.

00:13:25.340 So it's like when I'm with my kid, and one thing I always say to anyone around him, if

00:13:30.300 he's crying and if he's having like a temper tantrum, like doing something he shouldn't

00:13:34.460 be doing, I say, don't give him a lollipop. Don't give him something nice. Don't... No.

00:13:39.040 Because I don't want to reward negative behavior, right? Positive behavior. He does something

00:13:44.100 great. Lollipop, lollipop, lollipop, lollipop all day long. But it's the exact same thing.

00:13:49.100 You can't go to criminals. You can't go... You know, Taliban, obviously, they're asking for 1.00

00:13:52.980 like $10 billion more right now. Because they know they can.

00:13:57.300 Because they know they can. And so that's how you put yourself in a type of situation

00:14:04.320 where... And I think that San Francisco has got to this point, Philadelphia is to this

00:14:07.720 point, and we're seeing massive... Like the killing is just off the... Absolutely off the

00:14:13.300 charts. You're just empowering these people. And they're going to rioting and they're looting.

00:14:16.580 And it's like, oh, if you don't steal a certain amount of, you know, a certain dollar amount

00:14:20.820 of items, it's okay. We'll just let you go. They don't care about small businesses,

00:14:25.120 anything. It's crazy. We were in San Francisco. My wife and I, we were doing... Because I was

00:14:30.220 speaking up in Silicon Valley. There's like this underground conservative liberty group

00:14:33.860 up there. I know, right? And they all work for like Google and Facebook.

00:14:37.340 It was like China or something, right? It was crazy. 1.00

00:14:39.780 It's like underground churches. It's like underground churches in China, yeah.

00:14:42.740 Got a lot of sources out of that meeting, put it that way. And... But my wife and I both speak

00:14:48.120 Chinese, and we've always heard that like San Francisco, Chinatown, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:52.220 And we always heard that San Francisco, Chinatown is like the biggest, you know, and of course

00:14:57.240 the most famous Chinatown in the whole country. So we said, oh, how nice would it be, you know,

00:15:01.360 the night before, because we were staying in San Francisco, and we'll go to Chinatown and

00:15:05.600 we'll find a place where they speak Chinese and we'll just do the whole meal in China.

00:15:10.480 Because, you know, we got to practice a little bit. We're getting a little rusty living in the

00:15:14.360 U.S., doing what we do now. And we go there, we couldn't find, John, we couldn't find a

00:15:20.660 place that was open after 7 p.m. They were all shut down. And all the bakeries, the great

00:15:26.520 food, you know, the Hong Kong pineapple buns and all the rest of it, it was all shut down

00:15:32.160 and bars across all the windows, bars across all the doors. And this is, you know, what

00:15:36.720 happened to the Stop Asian Hate campaign? This is Chinatown, right? This is the Asian American 0.51

00:15:42.520 center of San Francisco. And they had to give that that 15 seconds of fame. Yeah, that was it. Like,

00:15:48.620 oh, we'll show that we care about the Asian people for a hot second. Then they moved on. I mean, it 1.00

00:15:52.420 literally felt like when you watch those Purge movies and then everybody, you know, because like

00:15:58.180 at a certain time, you know, like the crime becomes legal. So you just you shut down and everybody gets

00:16:03.600 out of Dodge because, you know, if you don't put the bars up, they're coming in. That's exactly what it

00:16:08.500 felt like that night. Yeah. And anytime like I could go off on my story, too, I was like when I was

00:16:14.000 working out there, too, like I was Ubering on the side. So like a lot of a lot of people know,

00:16:18.520 like working in the media industry, it's you got to get especially in the barrier, you got to get

00:16:23.080 about a thousand different jobs just to live. So when I would go and work out there, I'd sometimes

00:16:28.000 Uber people in. And there's a lot of people visiting San Francisco for the first time.

00:16:31.800 And they're like, is it like this all the time? I'm like, it wasn't. But it is like this all the

00:16:38.480 time. And there's there's some people. They're like, I think I just saw a dead guy. Like I had

00:16:43.060 a my my brother and his new wife. Congratulations to them. They just escaped Australia. There's

00:16:49.760 lived in Australia for a while. And they just had a friend come out with them. And their friend

00:16:53.900 went off to San Francisco first before they were coming out to see us in Phoenix. It's a world

00:16:58.780 famous city. It's a world famous city. And everyone's always thought of San Francisco. It's

00:17:02.320 in all these movies. You've heard about it growing up. And it's something that a lot of people want

00:17:07.480 to see. And then they go there and she was like, oh, my gosh, I saw people shooting up in the streets.

00:17:11.440 And then they just dropped it off in this little dispenser area. And then she was just flabbergasted

00:17:18.980 by what happened. Then she decided she's going to go to SoCal and she went to Venice first. And then she

00:17:24.640 saw dead person there in California has just been in shambles. And it's weird for me, someone that was

00:17:30.860 born and raised in California. I had a lot of love for California. It's a beautiful place with a lot of

00:17:37.160 beautiful people. There's a lot of people that really care about this country there. But you have

00:17:41.680 politicians that have just ran it into the ground in a place that I hear that basically as the

00:17:46.440 Californians lately, it's like California refugees. Yeah. And I love being out here in Phoenix,

00:17:51.680 Arizona. It's great. I feel free. And it's awesome having conversations like this conversations I

00:17:56.380 couldn't have in the Bay Area at all. I really had to be careful about what I said. So what do you mean

00:18:01.960 by that? So so yeah, explain that to me. So all all of this is happening around you, right? You see the

00:18:07.000 homeless, you see, you know, the defecation on the streets, you see people shooting up, but you're not

00:18:12.640 allowed to talk about it. No, and I think what I try to do is, which unfortunately, a lot of sports media

00:18:18.240 members, when you're trying to work your way up to that network level, because that was my goal.

00:18:22.460 I was thinking I'm either going to be working at, you know, NBC Sports in the Bay Area, or I'm going

00:18:27.020 to find some other opportunity with with Fox or something like that. I knew that it was safe to

00:18:32.060 talk about my faith. And I could always explain things from a faith perspective. But I knew it was

00:18:37.940 crazy, Jack, I, I would see a lot of great conservative tweets, I had to worry about who I

00:18:42.620 followed, because I know people will look at my followers, and they'd be like, well, why is he

00:18:46.580 following all these people? I was afraid to like Ben Shapiro tweets, because I knew that would come

00:18:51.460 up, come up on people's Twitter feed. And I knew potentially, I could be let go without any say

00:18:57.040 whatsoever, just because that offended somebody. And we talk about people getting offended. It's on

00:19:02.420 a whole nother level in the Bay Area. It's, it's insane. And I think what I always try to do is I try

00:19:08.320 to love people as best as I humanly can. I try to love people like Jesus. But sometimes the truth is the

00:19:15.020 best love that you can. Hey, even Jesus had to get the whip out sometimes. Exactly. And for me, I had to

00:19:20.820 try to pick and choose what I was going to say, how I was going to say it, and how I was going to just

00:19:26.220 portray myself online, because there's a reason I worked in sports. Sports was a outlet away from the

00:19:31.400 craziness of life, politics, it brought people together better than anything else it used to. And I even look

00:19:37.060 at the Olympics, the Olympics have gone a little woke to what other place can you bring? I mean, they've

00:19:42.000 gone full CCP. Yeah. And it's literal. And they're saying that it's it's okay to have genocide. And

00:19:47.720 we're going to give the Olympics to a place like China. And for me, I'm thinking, I want to talk

00:19:54.500 about this stuff. But also to I've worked so hard in my career that I don't want to just let it go.

00:19:59.980 And I know Charlie talks about all the time you talk about it. Anytime we have these big events,

00:20:03.600 it's like, you have to be careful about what you say, because sometimes it's not worth it. Sometimes

00:20:09.080 you got to figure out your backup plan. But that's why I'm glad that we have outlets like

00:20:13.500 this. And Turning Point USA, you got the Daily Wire, you got a lot of different outlets that

00:20:18.280 allow you to speak freely. And that's something I just couldn't do. And because I built up a

00:20:23.500 huge Bay Area following, I had a lot of people that were just lefties, but they like sports.

00:20:30.060 So I stuck to sports. So when I moved out here, I basically got canceled for my conservatism.

00:20:35.240 So was there anyone or do you know if there's anyone who, who is like still followed you when

00:20:41.620 they were fans from before that's like carried over at all? Or is it like, back to zero?

00:20:46.140 So I mean, I, I never had a really big following. And I think that's what's, what's funny about,

00:20:52.360 you know, having the opportunity to host stuff like this. I love what I do. I feel like I'm pretty

00:20:57.200 darn good at what I do. And I've never really dove into the social media space really heavily. But I did

00:21:03.620 have enough of a following where people knew and I'd go out anytime after a game or over the

00:21:08.540 weekend in San Jose and like, Oh, you're the Sharks guy. Like, it's good to see you. Blah,

00:21:11.700 blah, blah. That's cool. And I have people that have stuck with me and they'll hit me up in my

00:21:17.200 DMs. That's awesome. And that's really cool. The kind of conversations I have with not only like

00:21:21.600 Sharks fans or Warriors fans, sports fans in general from the Bay Area or people I went to church

00:21:26.460 with or other media members, people hit me up in the DMs, just like you hear all these athletes

00:21:31.700 talk about this where it's like, Oh, like I'm outspoken, but there's some other guys. I know

00:21:35.560 I won't give up their names, but we're talking about it in DMs. We're texting about it. We're

00:21:38.960 calling about it. And people are afraid. And there's a lot of people that were in positions

00:21:42.560 like I was, and they're trying to work their way up in the sports media sphere. And they're,

00:21:47.480 they're doing a great job. And I'd hate to see people lose and continue to lose jobs just because

00:21:52.840 they love America, just because they stick to American values.

00:21:55.880 I've had times where, you know, I've had like Hollywood actors or athletes, NASCAR drivers,

00:22:03.740 whatever, they'll follow me or like we're too. And I'll be like, Hey man, just, just so you

00:22:08.180 know, like maybe you want to take that down because there's going to be some people who

00:22:12.900 get pretty upset. I don't want to see. And then, you know, every once in a while are like

00:22:16.640 pro wrestlers. And, and, and sometimes I would love to know what the pro wrestling scene looks

00:22:21.700 like. I mean, it's very similar to what you're saying, right? You've got some people that are

00:22:26.380 just like full on woke that are like totally on board because they see it as a means of power

00:22:30.000 and they see it as a means of success in the industry. But then you also have, and so they

00:22:33.860 wield it as a weapon, right? But then you also have people who are like, Hey, I just want to go

00:22:38.940 back to the sport the way it was. I just want to go back, you know, with wrestling, there's a lot of

00:22:44.700 like character and storylines that people work on that. People go nuts for that stuff. You know,

00:22:50.680 they're like, we just want this kind of stuff. We don't want there to be this huge, like woke

00:22:56.180 overhang kind of, you know, push behind everything. And we don't think that people necessarily

00:23:02.120 like it that much either. But for some reason, everyone feels this need to get it.

00:23:07.660 And there's lots of, you know, there's lots of reasons why there, but for me, you know,

00:23:12.040 I look at Philadelphia and I say, this is where it gets you, right? This is where you end up when

00:23:19.860 you follow these policies down. I mean, my family's from Eastern Europe. My wife was born

00:23:24.660 in the Soviet Union. Like they tried the equality thing. They really, really tried. And they said,

00:23:30.940 Hey, let's make everyone equal and we'll all be the same. It'll be great. And do you feel

00:23:35.340 like that came from, it doesn't work. Do you feel like that came from a good place though?

00:23:38.280 I know that's conversations I have with people all the time. They think you have both. So you

00:23:42.000 have, you have, you have sort of like, you know, different levels of it. And then you've

00:23:46.260 got people who will say, and like the Schellenberger talks about this in his new book,

00:23:50.480 where he's talking about San Francisco, but he really is kind of talking about this

00:23:54.120 progressive equality ism at the same time where he says, look, you have a lot of people that just

00:24:00.400 want to help others. And they think it's better if you do this, you give more money, you spend more,

00:24:05.060 you make more programs. That's good. That's what people need. But then you've also got people who

00:24:10.260 cynically say, Oh, well, I can just say these things and then I can be in charge and then I

00:24:15.980 can have power and then I can get more power and accumulate that to myself. And then they go all

00:24:21.320 the way up with it. So I think, I think by and large, and I'm sure there's people on the right

00:24:24.960 would be like, no, Jack. No, no, no. I really do think that. I really do think there's a lot of

00:24:28.480 well-meaning people that fall into that. You see this a lot with, uh, you and I've talked about

00:24:33.320 before, progressive Christianity, where people say, it's just, you just, you know, it's,

00:24:38.060 it's mercy, mercy, mercy, mercy, mercy, mercy. And it's like, yes, yes, of course there's mercy,

00:24:43.920 but there's also judgment first. Right. And you need both or else it's like, like Christianity is

00:24:50.040 not this blanket that you can just wrap yourself in. Right. It's, you are going to be called to

00:24:54.940 account and that's number one. And then number two is if you truly repent, right. And you truly make

00:25:02.420 your repentance, you're actually being penitent for the sins that you have committed, then you can get

00:25:07.820 the mercy, but it's, and like, you know, it's the whole thing. There's no sin. That's so big. God

00:25:11.440 can't forgive it. But at the same time, you have to come to him. It's not the other way around.

00:25:15.800 Yeah. And then something that a lot of people, it's like, it's like a free check. It's like a

00:25:19.400 blank check to just, Oh, do whatever, you know? Yeah. And that's not biblical at all. A lot of people,

00:25:23.680 you know what it is? It's the world telling Christians and people of faith, you know, what love is,

00:25:29.080 what truth is and what mercy is. It's wrong. I'm the same way with my kid, right? I, I love my son.

00:25:36.300 I would do anything for my son. I would take a bullet for my son. Right. You'd like, don't you

00:25:41.100 have to think about it? Yeah. But if my son is doing something that he shouldn't be doing,

00:25:46.200 well, then I'm going to be stern with him and I'm going to say, Hey, you know, you can't do that.

00:25:50.040 Or, Hey, you know, that's, that's too much, you know, iPad time, or you have to share this with

00:25:55.020 your brother, you know, that doesn't mean you just let them walk all over you. No,

00:25:59.380 of course not. And that's where a lot of people need to get back to. Because that's formation.

00:26:03.760 Exactly. And that's where, I mean, you as a father, I don't know what it's like to be a father,

00:26:08.340 but I know with, with my, and I can't, I can't wait to be a good dad. And I can't wait to instill

00:26:13.860 Christian principles and values into my kids. Cause you know, for sure the school system's not going

00:26:19.860 to give it to you right now. The world's definitely not going to give it to you, but a lot of people

00:26:23.640 have just fallen prey to the world telling them about really, especially to over the pandemic.

00:26:29.580 Oh, if you really loved your neighbor, you'd wear a mask. And then that turned into, if you really

00:26:33.620 love your neighbor, you'll get the vaccine. And then you have all these people trying to tell you

00:26:38.380 what your faith is. And then also too, you have a lot of pastors and churches that dove into a lot

00:26:43.480 of this woke BS and they, they started telling their congregation that they're not shepherding their flock well.

00:26:48.940 We actually had something a couple of weeks ago where they announced they're going to be holding

00:26:52.580 a new like, um, uh, racial justice committee. They said they were gonna have a racial justice committee

00:26:59.660 or racial, we're gonna talk about racial issues and all this. And I remember, I see this in the booklet

00:27:04.620 and I turn to my wife and I'm like, sweetheart. And we look around, Tanya's looking around. I said,

00:27:09.960 look around the church right now. I'm like, you could see every race under the sun is here

00:27:16.500 under this roof to praise Christ the King together. I'm like, this is racial justice.

00:27:24.020 This is equality under God. And yet you guys holding committees like this, telling you that there's a problem.

00:27:31.860 No, you're actually creating a problem because we already have it right here. You don't, you, I got the cross.

00:27:38.720 I don't need anything else beyond that. And so you guys telling me that we do need something beyond that

00:27:44.500 is actually creating division where there wasn't any to begin with.

00:27:48.820 And if you want to talk about actual social justice, just get into the word because there's too many

00:27:54.320 pastors right now. They're trying to shepherd a flock and they're telling them like, all right,

00:27:58.720 so here's the world and I'll tell you what's going on there. And then I'll sprinkle in a little Bible

00:28:02.700 and then we're going to get into worldly stuff where it's like, is that actually going to be building

00:28:06.560 people up? I think so much, I think there's so much progressive Christianity where they're using,

00:28:11.060 essentially it's left-wing activists using the, you know, a paper shield of a church as a way to

00:28:17.620 have basically a tax-free status to be able to conduct their left-wing activism, right? It's,

00:28:22.740 it's a tax shelter for them because you can tell that they, and I see this online, like,

00:28:27.000 like when I look at the, you know, libs of TikTok covers this a lot, you know, with some of these

00:28:30.140 woke pastors and you're like, this isn't religion, right? This is activism. This is left-wing activism.

00:28:35.880 And then every once in a while, you might mention the word Jesus. And then you got a lot of people,

00:28:39.700 if people haven't watched American gospel, that is a fantastic documentary, especially talking about

00:28:45.080 I haven't seen that. What is that? It's all about the prosperity gospel. Oh, and it calls people out

00:28:49.220 and Kasi Hinn, the nephew of Benny Hinn. Okay. Like there's a lot of those healing pastors out there

00:28:57.380 that all they did was just, they'd fly around in their private jets. You got Kenneth Copeland's

00:29:01.180 and then you got Joel Osteen a while back. You got a plumber that's finding cash in the

00:29:05.840 walls. These guys. And he thanked him. Did you hear that? I remember that was the next part.

00:29:09.960 Appreciate it. We were looking for that. No, it's a good move. That's a good move. Oh,

00:29:13.120 we were looking for that money. This don't ask too many, clear your mind. Don't ask too many

00:29:18.980 questions, investigators about who put the money behind the wall. It's God wanted, you know,

00:29:26.180 actually I think that God wanted that money to be behind that wall of that bathroom. And that's

00:29:31.120 why it was there. Gosh, darn it. Yeah. He sounds a lot more like Hochul from New York than Jesus

00:29:35.960 Christ. Yeah. When you say something like that. What's going on with that? Like, where's the sack

00:29:40.980 cloth? You know what I mean? Where's the, you know, dispossess yourself of all your worldly

00:29:48.120 possessions and come and follow me. Right. That's, I don't know, man. Like, I don't know how you can

00:29:54.080 read the gospel and come away with that, that kind of look at it. Because the problem is people 0.62

00:29:58.340 aren't reading the gospel. Yeah, they aren't. Exactly. They, they want just everything in 140

00:30:02.940 characters. I've always said that, that they just want everything given to them. And they're going

00:30:06.980 to take that with face value. They're going to like a little Bible verse here and there. And

00:30:11.540 that's all. That's all. Wow. So we, look at that. We covered all of this and we'll have to have you on

00:30:16.780 again for another one of these. And we've got, we've got San Francisco. We've got wokeness in sports.

00:30:22.020 We've got wokeness in the churches and, and really, I do think we need a better name for it, but

00:30:27.500 I think we're starting now to become better to understand what this cultural rot is. But I do 1.00

00:30:34.600 like the fact that you came to it from the perspective of, I think it's people who mean

00:30:38.980 well, but they've been misled. Yeah. And I think that's something that we have to stop getting so

00:30:44.120 riled up about stuff because the left, all they're going to do is constantly just push this emotional

00:30:48.660 aspect and you don't want emotional arguments. We have to get down to logic. I don't think I

00:30:53.260 really subscribe to the facts. Don't care about your feelings completely. Cause there is feelings

00:30:58.400 involved. And I think we have to ask questions like maybe are some people doing this out of the

00:31:03.100 goodness of their hearts? Cause I've known a lot of good Christians that decided they're going to

00:31:06.120 stay in their, stay in their homes and they're going to follow these quote unquote guidelines and

00:31:11.140 everything. And I think a lot of those things, Jerry Spence, the great defense lawyer. Um,

00:31:15.460 I'm going to, uh, I'm paraphrasing, but he said, you know, uh, evidence doesn't win cases. Narratives

00:31:21.520 win cases. Narratives. Exactly. And I think that's why I'm glad we're able to have these

00:31:25.500 conversations. The fall of San Francisco, the fall of sports, the fall of Western Christianity. Once

00:31:31.240 you describe it that way, boom, people, um, tell people where they can follow you, where they can,

00:31:35.400 you know, where you hang your hat on social media wise. You guys can follow me on Instagram and

00:31:39.480 Twitter at Johnny root J O N N Y underscore. And that's where you can follow me, post a lot of 0.95

00:31:45.740 great content from what we're doing with TPUSA live breakaway. And I'm always open and honest

00:31:50.340 about my thoughts, been shadow banned a little bit, been trying to figure that out, but it's,

00:31:54.440 it's been great meeting more conservatives, having conversations like this. And I hope to have some

00:31:58.580 more. Very cool. And as I always say, take it away, John. Thanks, man.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 22, 2021

BREAKAWAY FROM THE BAY EXCLUSIVE： INTERVIEW WITH JON ROOT

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