Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 22, 2021


BREAKAWAY FROM THE BAY EXCLUSIVE： INTERVIEW WITH JON ROOT


Episode Stats

Length

32 minutes

Words per Minute

215.21684

Word Count

6,901

Sentence Count

523

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

11


Summary

In between the holidays, Jack sits down with John Root, host of the sports podcast, "Turning Point Live" and host of "On The Couch" to discuss what it's like being a left-wing journalist in the Bay Area.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 All right, this is Jack Posobiec. You are listening to the Human Events Conversations.
00:00:05.980 What we're doing with these is while we're in between the holidays, I wanted to sit down
00:00:11.240 and record a couple of one-on-one interviews with people. So just sit down, take some time,
00:00:16.820 you know, get to know some folks that you may hear us talking about, but really step back
00:00:20.580 from the day-to-day of everything and go a little bit deeper. So I know one thing you always hear
00:00:27.320 me say at the end of every Human Events, I say, take it away, John. But who is John? Who is this
00:00:33.500 mysterious John? Why is he taking it away? And where is he taking it? So I've invited him on to
00:00:38.680 explain himself. Well, thanks for having me, but I feel like the mystery just makes me feel like a
00:00:42.800 superhero a little bit. No, no, no, we'll leave some of the mystery. Don't worry, we'll leave some of the mystery.
00:00:45.480 Yeah, some of it, your mystique will pervade. Yeah, we won't, we'll keep you somewhat shrouded in mystery.
00:00:53.260 But yeah, so for folks who don't know, John Root, he's a host of Breakaway, which is the sports
00:01:00.700 theme podcast on Turning Point Live. And he also hosts Turning Point Live on the couch every day.
00:01:05.660 So dual had it in terms of that. Plus he does a lot behind the scenes that I don't think that people
00:01:09.940 realize. But you, and I just recently found this out, have a totally different background than
00:01:17.040 necessarily, I mean, kind of like myself in a way, like I'm a prior, you know, Navy intelligence guy,
00:01:21.180 Navy intel guy, before I got into this, but tell people what your background is.
00:01:26.520 So my background's in sports media. So when it comes to Breakaway, that's something I've been
00:01:30.240 used to. That's your bread and butter. Yeah, that is my bread and butter. I've loved sports. I've
00:01:33.380 played sports. I played at Azusa Pacific University in Southern California. That's D2 football. So I
00:01:38.860 wasn't big time at all, but I've been around sports my whole life. And then ever since I was a kid,
00:01:43.740 I remember watching Dream Job. It was an ESPN show where they'd have contestants on to try to get an
00:01:50.060 anchor job with ESPN before they were woke. And for a long time, I wanted to get a job like that.
00:01:55.580 It always seemed to me that like ESPN was kind of the, like ahead of the curve with a lot of the
00:02:01.580 woke stuff. Yeah. Was that just me or were you kind of seeing that as well? Well, I was seeing that too,
00:02:05.960 but when they had a change in a regime change, basically, I had someone come in that had connections
00:02:11.180 with leftist politics and leftist politicians that there's, it shouldn't be a shocker to anybody.
00:02:17.300 And then especially too, when you see streaming services and everything find their way in,
00:02:21.980 there's highlights on social media where ESPN had to make a shift and then they dove headfirst into
00:02:26.840 leftist policies. But for me, I worked in sports my whole life. I studied communications and journalism
00:02:34.360 in college. Journalism integrity is something that I always hold dear and something I don't see a lot.
00:02:40.120 So for me, that's something I always want to put that in my content, but I worked for
00:02:43.360 a minor league baseball team as a host. And then I moved to the San Francisco Bay Area and I worked
00:02:47.360 for the San Jose Sharks. I was a host and reporter for them for about five seasons. I worked for the
00:02:52.580 Golden State Warriors organization. I worked for NBC Sports Bay Area in California. So I was involved
00:02:57.780 in that sports scene. So you're kind of like working your way up through the Bay Area sports scene.
00:03:01.960 Yeah, for me. And then I was, I was born in the Bay Area too. So getting to work in the Bay Area was a
00:03:06.160 dream come true for me. I watched the Sharks when I was a kid. And then now I'm able to entertain
00:03:09.680 thousands of fans online and in the arena. It was a dream to me, but I saw politics, not only
00:03:15.460 seeping, but flooding into sports. So I had a little bit of awakening and I started listening
00:03:20.920 to Charlie. I listened to Ben Shapiro. I listened to some of the biggest political commentators
00:03:24.800 because I had, you got a sense that something was a little off. Exactly. Yeah. Cause I was seeing this
00:03:30.520 big push, especially when you're living in the San Francisco Bay Area, like pride is everywhere.
00:03:35.740 Oh yeah. Everything's rainbow. San Francisco is like the, you know. It's the gay capital of the
00:03:39.720 world. The capital. Yeah. It's the capital. And I've seen. Pride capital. Definitely. It's the
00:03:43.040 crack capital too. I mean, I could go off on stories about seeing people shooting up and crap.
00:03:46.820 Oh, I want to get into that. Yeah. Cause I do want to ask you about that, but. That's a little,
00:03:50.500 that's a little teaser for everybody. We need the story of John first. But for me, I was,
00:03:54.740 I was. So you're doing all that. And yet now you're here for your time doing, doing
00:03:58.520 turning points. So what, what happened there? So for me, I just started diving into
00:04:03.500 politics probably around 2014 is when I was really following politics. And then especially
00:04:10.680 that election with Hillary and Trump, I was like, I need to understand what's going on
00:04:15.980 here because every single sports outlet is diving into politics. It seems like every single league
00:04:20.780 and team has something to say about what's going on here. And it seems like, uh, it's definitely
00:04:25.540 a pun. There was a turning point. And that was my, that was my turning point where I have
00:04:29.620 to really understand. I understood my faith. I went to a Christian school. I've been a Christian
00:04:34.500 my whole life and I can go off about theology and talk about that forever. And I was always
00:04:39.120 very outspoken about my faith, but politics, I need to be able to explain my politics. That's
00:04:44.740 something we talk about at turning point USA all the time. These kids come up to us and
00:04:48.120 they're like, well, I need resources to understand. Now, how do I talk about COVID? How do I talk
00:04:52.420 about these politicians, these bills, what's going on in my city? And for me, I started
00:04:56.640 diving headfirst into that because politics and sports there, they intertwined. So for
00:05:02.640 me, I was just as well-versed in politics by 2016 as I was in sports, which I always thought
00:05:08.640 was weird for me because when you look at, you know, any contest in sports, right, it's,
00:05:15.680 you would think that it's actually the most conservative thing that we still have in America,
00:05:20.820 right? Because there is a point system. There is a rule system. I mean, obviously, you know,
00:05:26.700 in every, of course, we argue over the application of those rules from game to game or from official to
00:05:31.440 official. And of course, that's a big part of it, but you know, it is basically, it is a meritocracy.
00:05:37.820 Can you put points on the board? Can you win the game, whether it's, you know, catching a ball or
00:05:44.120 running a ball or running as fast as possible or, you know, whatever that is, there's no system at the
00:05:50.180 end where they say, oh, this team got too many points and we're going to redistribute those points
00:05:54.340 over because of more equity that, I mean, that would fly in the face of the entire purpose of
00:05:59.620 sports to begin with. So it always struck me as so strange that they would go for sports first, but
00:06:06.880 then again, at the same time, they kind of had to, right? Because sports is just inherently a
00:06:12.960 meritocracy. It is based on, you know, sink or swim. Like, can you make it or not? The best player
00:06:17.940 gets the job. How many, how many white cornerbacks have you seen in the NFL over the past two
00:06:22.700 decades? Yeah. And that was over, that was over the last year. Right. So anytime people are saying,
00:06:28.220 like, oh, I want sports to look like America and the diversity of America. Honestly, you don't want
00:06:33.680 more white guys in the secondary in, in the NFL. And a lot of people start pushing all this whole
00:06:39.580 equity and it doesn't make sense. One thing I've always said, and I'm, you know, I'm from the
00:06:45.100 Philadelphia area. So Eagles culture is everywhere. It's pervasive. All of it. No, I've, I've met
00:06:51.700 Vince actually a couple of times. And I've never once heard anyone in Philadelphia say,
00:06:59.740 oh, I disapprove of the demographics of this team. And we need to have more of this and less
00:07:06.140 of that. And it's like, no, you talk about players and you say, oh, you know, you know,
00:07:11.700 McNabb martyrs to the Superbowl, but he couldn't make it. And Andy was up here and Reed should
00:07:16.420 have done this and his clock management and all right. Like that's a little rush. Limbaugh
00:07:20.380 got what you would talk about for that when he was working at ESPN. Right. Right. You
00:07:24.340 had all, he had all the other guys over. Yeah. Yeah. They were agreeing with him. And there
00:07:30.260 was almost a sense of, and I, I want to be careful. My words, what he pointed out, what rush
00:07:34.980 pointed out was, was that you were trying to push a PC narrative because you want a certain
00:07:40.340 outcome, but I'm looking at the statistics and I'm just not seeing what you're saying.
00:07:45.340 And people were actually rooting for Donovan McNabb because they wanted to see a black
00:07:49.580 quarterback succeed. I wanted to see it because there's, as an Eagles fan, I wanted to succeed.
00:07:55.860 Yeah. Right. Obviously. And that's sports because you just want people to succeed no matter what
00:08:00.340 color they are. And obviously there's certain people we don't want to succeed now because you
00:08:04.820 have people like LeBron. I want to see him fail. Yeah, no, I'm good with that. LeBron,
00:08:08.600 LeBron crash and burn. But when it comes to seeing people at face value, it doesn't matter.
00:08:13.420 LeBron to me, it's the people always, this is the big debate. MJ versus LeBron.
00:08:18.580 As simple as this, LeBron is not a champion. He doesn't act like a champion. He doesn't act like
00:08:23.820 a leader. He's not somebody who you can look at that guy and say, yeah, that's a champion. That's
00:08:29.380 how a champion carries himself because the way he carries himself is childish. It's vindictive.
00:08:35.100 It's very personal and it's very selfish. And I get that he's done a lot of charity work
00:08:40.060 and I'm not, you know, attacking that in any way. But to me, I always liked what.
00:08:47.500 Tell them it's not a good time. I know, right? I always liked what I always liked what MJ had
00:08:54.580 to say when he was like, look, they said, why don't you talk about politics? And he said,
00:08:58.680 look, people on the right buy shoes, too. Republicans buy sneakers, too. Yeah. Like
00:09:03.140 and you can just say that and you don't have to make everything political, but that's
00:09:06.840 completely changed. And and even beyond politics, just the way he carried himself, right? The way
00:09:12.100 he carried himself. We can look at that and say, yeah, that guy's a role model. Like you can have
00:09:16.780 a lot of respect for that guy. And he puts the W's on the board at the same time. I mean, just looked
00:09:21.120 at someone like Tom Brady. Tom Brady, if you want to see a leader, that is the leader you want to look
00:09:26.700 at. That's someone that makes people better. And that's why you have these dynasties that
00:09:31.700 happen in New England with the Patriots. Bill Belichick, he's a great coach. There's a reason
00:09:35.320 that Mac Jones just jumped in this year and I can go off on sports about this. But there's a reason
00:09:40.340 they've been successful. There's a reason Tom Brady can switch teams and take the Buccaneers from
00:09:44.420 one of the worst teams in the NFC South to a Super Bowl champion the very next year. Right. And
00:09:49.400 they said he couldn't do it. Yeah, they said he couldn't do it. I kind of hoped he wouldn't do it
00:09:52.760 because randomly enough, I'm an Atlanta Falcons fan. Probably the worst decision I ever made in my
00:09:56.680 life was that. But any time. So the other thing that I really wanted to get into, though,
00:10:02.660 you know, talking about this, you know, you've made the jump, you made the plunge, you know,
00:10:06.160 the way Brady made the plunge to Tampa. You know, you're here in politics. But, you know, one thing
00:10:12.540 and I mentioned from the Philadelphia area, you're from the San Francisco area.
00:10:18.660 What is going on with these cities? Because you were working directly there. Now, I've been out of
00:10:24.760 Philadelphia for about 10 years, so I haven't seen this drastic change as I've seen now. But we just
00:10:30.520 had a situation where a couple of weeks ago here, there was a student murdered on my campus at Temple
00:10:36.280 University where I went to school. Student murdered there in a carjacking. Just guy tried to take his
00:10:41.320 car. They struggled over it. Ends up dead. Shoots him on the street. Broad daylight. Right. Meanwhile,
00:10:48.640 you've got San Francisco and Schellenberger has a new book out, San Francisco, where it's like and I
00:10:53.940 appreciate this guy admitting it where he says, look, we were wrong. Everything we thought. So
00:10:58.440 tell me while you were working there, what kind of what were some of these changes that you were
00:11:02.540 seeing? Because think of it, right? On one hand, you're telling me in sports, oh, we're getting so
00:11:06.020 political. We're getting so progressive. We're looking forward. But all around you, it didn't seem
00:11:11.820 like things were, you know, really progressing. It seemed like they were getting worse. Well, that's
00:11:16.040 what's funny, too, is because the left is always going to say we have this progressive agenda,
00:11:19.620 like it's going to get us to some oasis, some place that's going to make it better. And I remember
00:11:24.240 going to San Francisco when I was a kid. It's one of the most it used to be one of the most
00:11:28.320 beautiful places on Earth. You go to the Presidio, you go to Golden Gate Park. It's some of these
00:11:33.320 scenes are like you watch the movie Vertigo and you see how San Francisco was. I guess that was like
00:11:37.900 probably probably late 50s. Just gorgeous. Every every shot of that's Hitchcock. You know, that's what he was
00:11:43.700 always known for like doing on location stuff. But it's like Southern France, San Francisco.
00:11:48.620 And literally in San Francisco, it got worse and worse and worse every single year. So for me going
00:11:54.380 there as a kid with my family, just packing into the station wagon is it was beautiful. And then you
00:12:00.880 have politicians there that say, hey, we're going to allow people to shoot up in the streets, crap in
00:12:04.860 the streets, piss in the street. And then we're going to pay people an unbelievable wage to clean that
00:12:09.760 crap up. And then people can talk about San Francisco on and on and on. And then just all
00:12:16.840 the Bay Area. But I lived it. I was working for an e-sports company and I did some work with NBC
00:12:21.740 Sports, like I said earlier, and I'm walking through the streets and I had to pick and choose what
00:12:26.480 streets I was going to go down. And for me, I'm a pretty big dude. I'm six, five, about 220. And I feel
00:12:33.000 like I can handle myself. But there were certain times where I need to figure out the best route to get
00:12:37.380 to BART, which was our basically subway system that we had there. And now you have politicians
00:12:44.140 that are saying, hey, we're going to pay you a certain amount of money to not shoot people.
00:12:47.520 And if you steal... What do you mean pay you money not to shoot people? Pay who?
00:12:51.400 That's what they're... So some of these criminals out there, if you're out there, there's crime all
00:12:56.500 across San Francisco. And if you're not going to get into that, they're almost going to be
00:13:01.260 incentivizing people to not shoot people. It's like, here's some money for this. Or here's how you can...
00:13:06.660 Because that works, for example, like when we pay off the Taliban.
00:13:09.640 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It totally works. When you give them money...
00:13:11.420 People we definitely should be working with.
00:13:13.340 No, I mean, it's like they fundamentally don't understand human nature. When you give someone
00:13:17.360 money for something, you are going to increase it because they realize that whatever you did...
00:13:21.160 I think I just broke the desk there somehow. Whatever they just did got them money.
00:13:25.340 So it's like when I'm with my kid, and one thing I always say to anyone around him, if
00:13:30.300 he's crying and if he's having like a temper tantrum, like doing something he shouldn't
00:13:34.460 be doing, I say, don't give him a lollipop. Don't give him something nice. Don't... No.
00:13:39.040 Because I don't want to reward negative behavior, right? Positive behavior. He does something
00:13:44.100 great. Lollipop, lollipop, lollipop, lollipop all day long. But it's the exact same thing.
00:13:49.100 You can't go to criminals. You can't go... You know, Taliban, obviously, they're asking for
00:13:52.980 like $10 billion more right now. Because they know they can.
00:13:57.300 Because they know they can. And so that's how you put yourself in a type of situation
00:14:04.320 where... And I think that San Francisco has got to this point, Philadelphia is to this
00:14:07.720 point, and we're seeing massive... Like the killing is just off the... Absolutely off the
00:14:13.300 charts. You're just empowering these people. And they're going to rioting and they're looting.
00:14:16.580 And it's like, oh, if you don't steal a certain amount of, you know, a certain dollar amount
00:14:20.820 of items, it's okay. We'll just let you go. They don't care about small businesses,
00:14:25.120 anything. It's crazy. We were in San Francisco. My wife and I, we were doing... Because I was
00:14:30.220 speaking up in Silicon Valley. There's like this underground conservative liberty group
00:14:33.860 up there. I know, right? And they all work for like Google and Facebook.
00:14:37.340 It was like China or something, right? It was crazy.
00:14:39.780 It's like underground churches. It's like underground churches in China, yeah.
00:14:42.740 Got a lot of sources out of that meeting, put it that way. And... But my wife and I both speak
00:14:48.120 Chinese, and we've always heard that like San Francisco, Chinatown, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:14:52.220 And we always heard that San Francisco, Chinatown is like the biggest, you know, and of course
00:14:57.240 the most famous Chinatown in the whole country. So we said, oh, how nice would it be, you know,
00:15:01.360 the night before, because we were staying in San Francisco, and we'll go to Chinatown and
00:15:05.600 we'll find a place where they speak Chinese and we'll just do the whole meal in China.
00:15:10.480 Because, you know, we got to practice a little bit. We're getting a little rusty living in the
00:15:14.360 U.S., doing what we do now. And we go there, we couldn't find, John, we couldn't find a
00:15:20.660 place that was open after 7 p.m. They were all shut down. And all the bakeries, the great
00:15:26.520 food, you know, the Hong Kong pineapple buns and all the rest of it, it was all shut down
00:15:32.160 and bars across all the windows, bars across all the doors. And this is, you know, what
00:15:36.720 happened to the Stop Asian Hate campaign? This is Chinatown, right? This is the Asian American
00:15:42.520 center of San Francisco. And they had to give that that 15 seconds of fame. Yeah, that was it. Like,
00:15:48.620 oh, we'll show that we care about the Asian people for a hot second. Then they moved on. I mean, it
00:15:52.420 literally felt like when you watch those Purge movies and then everybody, you know, because like
00:15:58.180 at a certain time, you know, like the crime becomes legal. So you just you shut down and everybody gets
00:16:03.600 out of Dodge because, you know, if you don't put the bars up, they're coming in. That's exactly what it
00:16:08.500 felt like that night. Yeah. And anytime like I could go off on my story, too, I was like when I was
00:16:14.000 working out there, too, like I was Ubering on the side. So like a lot of a lot of people know,
00:16:18.520 like working in the media industry, it's you got to get especially in the barrier, you got to get
00:16:23.080 about a thousand different jobs just to live. So when I would go and work out there, I'd sometimes
00:16:28.000 Uber people in. And there's a lot of people visiting San Francisco for the first time.
00:16:31.800 And they're like, is it like this all the time? I'm like, it wasn't. But it is like this all the
00:16:38.480 time. And there's there's some people. They're like, I think I just saw a dead guy. Like I had
00:16:43.060 a my my brother and his new wife. Congratulations to them. They just escaped Australia. There's
00:16:49.760 lived in Australia for a while. And they just had a friend come out with them. And their friend
00:16:53.900 went off to San Francisco first before they were coming out to see us in Phoenix. It's a world
00:16:58.780 famous city. It's a world famous city. And everyone's always thought of San Francisco. It's
00:17:02.320 in all these movies. You've heard about it growing up. And it's something that a lot of people want
00:17:07.480 to see. And then they go there and she was like, oh, my gosh, I saw people shooting up in the streets.
00:17:11.440 And then they just dropped it off in this little dispenser area. And then she was just flabbergasted
00:17:18.980 by what happened. Then she decided she's going to go to SoCal and she went to Venice first. And then she
00:17:24.640 saw dead person there in California has just been in shambles. And it's weird for me, someone that was
00:17:30.860 born and raised in California. I had a lot of love for California. It's a beautiful place with a lot of
00:17:37.160 beautiful people. There's a lot of people that really care about this country there. But you have
00:17:41.680 politicians that have just ran it into the ground in a place that I hear that basically as the
00:17:46.440 Californians lately, it's like California refugees. Yeah. And I love being out here in Phoenix,
00:17:51.680 Arizona. It's great. I feel free. And it's awesome having conversations like this conversations I
00:17:56.380 couldn't have in the Bay Area at all. I really had to be careful about what I said. So what do you mean
00:18:01.960 by that? So so yeah, explain that to me. So all all of this is happening around you, right? You see the
00:18:07.000 homeless, you see, you know, the defecation on the streets, you see people shooting up, but you're not
00:18:12.640 allowed to talk about it. No, and I think what I try to do is, which unfortunately, a lot of sports media
00:18:18.240 members, when you're trying to work your way up to that network level, because that was my goal.
00:18:22.460 I was thinking I'm either going to be working at, you know, NBC Sports in the Bay Area, or I'm going
00:18:27.020 to find some other opportunity with with Fox or something like that. I knew that it was safe to
00:18:32.060 talk about my faith. And I could always explain things from a faith perspective. But I knew it was
00:18:37.940 crazy, Jack, I, I would see a lot of great conservative tweets, I had to worry about who I
00:18:42.620 followed, because I know people will look at my followers, and they'd be like, well, why is he
00:18:46.580 following all these people? I was afraid to like Ben Shapiro tweets, because I knew that would come
00:18:51.460 up, come up on people's Twitter feed. And I knew potentially, I could be let go without any say
00:18:57.040 whatsoever, just because that offended somebody. And we talk about people getting offended. It's on
00:19:02.420 a whole nother level in the Bay Area. It's, it's insane. And I think what I always try to do is I try
00:19:08.320 to love people as best as I humanly can. I try to love people like Jesus. But sometimes the truth is the
00:19:15.020 best love that you can. Hey, even Jesus had to get the whip out sometimes. Exactly. And for me, I had to
00:19:20.820 try to pick and choose what I was going to say, how I was going to say it, and how I was going to just
00:19:26.220 portray myself online, because there's a reason I worked in sports. Sports was a outlet away from the
00:19:31.400 craziness of life, politics, it brought people together better than anything else it used to. And I even look
00:19:37.060 at the Olympics, the Olympics have gone a little woke to what other place can you bring? I mean, they've
00:19:42.000 gone full CCP. Yeah. And it's literal. And they're saying that it's it's okay to have genocide. And
00:19:47.720 we're going to give the Olympics to a place like China. And for me, I'm thinking, I want to talk
00:19:54.500 about this stuff. But also to I've worked so hard in my career that I don't want to just let it go.
00:19:59.980 And I know Charlie talks about all the time you talk about it. Anytime we have these big events,
00:20:03.600 it's like, you have to be careful about what you say, because sometimes it's not worth it. Sometimes
00:20:09.080 you got to figure out your backup plan. But that's why I'm glad that we have outlets like
00:20:13.500 this. And Turning Point USA, you got the Daily Wire, you got a lot of different outlets that
00:20:18.280 allow you to speak freely. And that's something I just couldn't do. And because I built up a
00:20:23.500 huge Bay Area following, I had a lot of people that were just lefties, but they like sports.
00:20:30.060 So I stuck to sports. So when I moved out here, I basically got canceled for my conservatism.
00:20:35.240 So was there anyone or do you know if there's anyone who, who is like still followed you when
00:20:41.620 they were fans from before that's like carried over at all? Or is it like, back to zero?
00:20:46.140 So I mean, I, I never had a really big following. And I think that's what's, what's funny about,
00:20:52.360 you know, having the opportunity to host stuff like this. I love what I do. I feel like I'm pretty
00:20:57.200 darn good at what I do. And I've never really dove into the social media space really heavily. But I did
00:21:03.620 have enough of a following where people knew and I'd go out anytime after a game or over the
00:21:08.540 weekend in San Jose and like, Oh, you're the Sharks guy. Like, it's good to see you. Blah,
00:21:11.700 blah, blah. That's cool. And I have people that have stuck with me and they'll hit me up in my
00:21:17.200 DMs. That's awesome. And that's really cool. The kind of conversations I have with not only like
00:21:21.600 Sharks fans or Warriors fans, sports fans in general from the Bay Area or people I went to church
00:21:26.460 with or other media members, people hit me up in the DMs, just like you hear all these athletes
00:21:31.700 talk about this where it's like, Oh, like I'm outspoken, but there's some other guys. I know
00:21:35.560 I won't give up their names, but we're talking about it in DMs. We're texting about it. We're
00:21:38.960 calling about it. And people are afraid. And there's a lot of people that were in positions
00:21:42.560 like I was, and they're trying to work their way up in the sports media sphere. And they're,
00:21:47.480 they're doing a great job. And I'd hate to see people lose and continue to lose jobs just because
00:21:52.840 they love America, just because they stick to American values.
00:21:55.880 I've had times where, you know, I've had like Hollywood actors or athletes, NASCAR drivers,
00:22:03.740 whatever, they'll follow me or like we're too. And I'll be like, Hey man, just, just so you
00:22:08.180 know, like maybe you want to take that down because there's going to be some people who
00:22:12.900 get pretty upset. I don't want to see. And then, you know, every once in a while are like
00:22:16.640 pro wrestlers. And, and, and sometimes I would love to know what the pro wrestling scene looks
00:22:21.700 like. I mean, it's very similar to what you're saying, right? You've got some people that are
00:22:26.380 just like full on woke that are like totally on board because they see it as a means of power
00:22:30.000 and they see it as a means of success in the industry. But then you also have, and so they
00:22:33.860 wield it as a weapon, right? But then you also have people who are like, Hey, I just want to go
00:22:38.940 back to the sport the way it was. I just want to go back, you know, with wrestling, there's a lot of
00:22:44.700 like character and storylines that people work on that. People go nuts for that stuff. You know,
00:22:50.680 they're like, we just want this kind of stuff. We don't want there to be this huge, like woke
00:22:56.180 overhang kind of, you know, push behind everything. And we don't think that people necessarily
00:23:02.120 like it that much either. But for some reason, everyone feels this need to get it.
00:23:07.660 And there's lots of, you know, there's lots of reasons why there, but for me, you know,
00:23:12.040 I look at Philadelphia and I say, this is where it gets you, right? This is where you end up when
00:23:19.860 you follow these policies down. I mean, my family's from Eastern Europe. My wife was born
00:23:24.660 in the Soviet Union. Like they tried the equality thing. They really, really tried. And they said,
00:23:30.940 Hey, let's make everyone equal and we'll all be the same. It'll be great. And do you feel
00:23:35.340 like that came from, it doesn't work. Do you feel like that came from a good place though?
00:23:38.280 I know that's conversations I have with people all the time. They think you have both. So you
00:23:42.000 have, you have, you have sort of like, you know, different levels of it. And then you've
00:23:46.260 got people who will say, and like the Schellenberger talks about this in his new book,
00:23:50.480 where he's talking about San Francisco, but he really is kind of talking about this
00:23:54.120 progressive equality ism at the same time where he says, look, you have a lot of people that just
00:24:00.400 want to help others. And they think it's better if you do this, you give more money, you spend more,
00:24:05.060 you make more programs. That's good. That's what people need. But then you've also got people who
00:24:10.260 cynically say, Oh, well, I can just say these things and then I can be in charge and then I
00:24:15.980 can have power and then I can get more power and accumulate that to myself. And then they go all
00:24:21.320 the way up with it. So I think, I think by and large, and I'm sure there's people on the right
00:24:24.960 would be like, no, Jack. No, no, no. I really do think that. I really do think there's a lot of
00:24:28.480 well-meaning people that fall into that. You see this a lot with, uh, you and I've talked about
00:24:33.320 before, progressive Christianity, where people say, it's just, you just, you know, it's,
00:24:38.060 it's mercy, mercy, mercy, mercy, mercy, mercy. And it's like, yes, yes, of course there's mercy,
00:24:43.920 but there's also judgment first. Right. And you need both or else it's like, like Christianity is
00:24:50.040 not this blanket that you can just wrap yourself in. Right. It's, you are going to be called to
00:24:54.940 account and that's number one. And then number two is if you truly repent, right. And you truly make
00:25:02.420 your repentance, you're actually being penitent for the sins that you have committed, then you can get
00:25:07.820 the mercy, but it's, and like, you know, it's the whole thing. There's no sin. That's so big. God
00:25:11.440 can't forgive it. But at the same time, you have to come to him. It's not the other way around.
00:25:15.800 Yeah. And then something that a lot of people, it's like, it's like a free check. It's like a
00:25:19.400 blank check to just, Oh, do whatever, you know? Yeah. And that's not biblical at all. A lot of people,
00:25:23.680 you know what it is? It's the world telling Christians and people of faith, you know, what love is,
00:25:29.080 what truth is and what mercy is. It's wrong. I'm the same way with my kid, right? I, I love my son.
00:25:36.300 I would do anything for my son. I would take a bullet for my son. Right. You'd like, don't you
00:25:41.100 have to think about it? Yeah. But if my son is doing something that he shouldn't be doing,
00:25:46.200 well, then I'm going to be stern with him and I'm going to say, Hey, you know, you can't do that.
00:25:50.040 Or, Hey, you know, that's, that's too much, you know, iPad time, or you have to share this with
00:25:55.020 your brother, you know, that doesn't mean you just let them walk all over you. No,
00:25:59.380 of course not. And that's where a lot of people need to get back to. Because that's formation.
00:26:03.760 Exactly. And that's where, I mean, you as a father, I don't know what it's like to be a father,
00:26:08.340 but I know with, with my, and I can't, I can't wait to be a good dad. And I can't wait to instill
00:26:13.860 Christian principles and values into my kids. Cause you know, for sure the school system's not going
00:26:19.860 to give it to you right now. The world's definitely not going to give it to you, but a lot of people
00:26:23.640 have just fallen prey to the world telling them about really, especially to over the pandemic.
00:26:29.580 Oh, if you really loved your neighbor, you'd wear a mask. And then that turned into, if you really
00:26:33.620 love your neighbor, you'll get the vaccine. And then you have all these people trying to tell you
00:26:38.380 what your faith is. And then also too, you have a lot of pastors and churches that dove into a lot
00:26:43.480 of this woke BS and they, they started telling their congregation that they're not shepherding their flock well.
00:26:48.940 We actually had something a couple of weeks ago where they announced they're going to be holding
00:26:52.580 a new like, um, uh, racial justice committee. They said they were gonna have a racial justice committee
00:26:59.660 or racial, we're gonna talk about racial issues and all this. And I remember, I see this in the booklet
00:27:04.620 and I turn to my wife and I'm like, sweetheart. And we look around, Tanya's looking around. I said,
00:27:09.960 look around the church right now. I'm like, you could see every race under the sun is here
00:27:16.500 under this roof to praise Christ the King together. I'm like, this is racial justice.
00:27:24.020 This is equality under God. And yet you guys holding committees like this, telling you that there's a problem.
00:27:31.860 No, you're actually creating a problem because we already have it right here. You don't, you, I got the cross.
00:27:38.720 I don't need anything else beyond that. And so you guys telling me that we do need something beyond that
00:27:44.500 is actually creating division where there wasn't any to begin with.
00:27:48.820 And if you want to talk about actual social justice, just get into the word because there's too many
00:27:54.320 pastors right now. They're trying to shepherd a flock and they're telling them like, all right,
00:27:58.720 so here's the world and I'll tell you what's going on there. And then I'll sprinkle in a little Bible
00:28:02.700 and then we're going to get into worldly stuff where it's like, is that actually going to be building
00:28:06.560 people up? I think so much, I think there's so much progressive Christianity where they're using,
00:28:11.060 essentially it's left-wing activists using the, you know, a paper shield of a church as a way to
00:28:17.620 have basically a tax-free status to be able to conduct their left-wing activism, right? It's,
00:28:22.740 it's a tax shelter for them because you can tell that they, and I see this online, like,
00:28:27.000 like when I look at the, you know, libs of TikTok covers this a lot, you know, with some of these
00:28:30.140 woke pastors and you're like, this isn't religion, right? This is activism. This is left-wing activism.
00:28:35.880 And then every once in a while, you might mention the word Jesus. And then you got a lot of people,
00:28:39.700 if people haven't watched American gospel, that is a fantastic documentary, especially talking about
00:28:45.080 I haven't seen that. What is that? It's all about the prosperity gospel. Oh, and it calls people out
00:28:49.220 and Kasi Hinn, the nephew of Benny Hinn. Okay. Like there's a lot of those healing pastors out there
00:28:57.380 that all they did was just, they'd fly around in their private jets. You got Kenneth Copeland's
00:29:01.180 and then you got Joel Osteen a while back. You got a plumber that's finding cash in the
00:29:05.840 walls. These guys. And he thanked him. Did you hear that? I remember that was the next part.
00:29:09.960 Appreciate it. We were looking for that. No, it's a good move. That's a good move. Oh,
00:29:13.120 we were looking for that money. This don't ask too many, clear your mind. Don't ask too many
00:29:18.980 questions, investigators about who put the money behind the wall. It's God wanted, you know,
00:29:26.180 actually I think that God wanted that money to be behind that wall of that bathroom. And that's
00:29:31.120 why it was there. Gosh, darn it. Yeah. He sounds a lot more like Hochul from New York than Jesus
00:29:35.960 Christ. Yeah. When you say something like that. What's going on with that? Like, where's the sack
00:29:40.980 cloth? You know what I mean? Where's the, you know, dispossess yourself of all your worldly
00:29:48.120 possessions and come and follow me. Right. That's, I don't know, man. Like, I don't know how you can
00:29:54.080 read the gospel and come away with that, that kind of look at it. Because the problem is people
00:29:58.340 aren't reading the gospel. Yeah, they aren't. Exactly. They, they want just everything in 140
00:30:02.940 characters. I've always said that, that they just want everything given to them. And they're going
00:30:06.980 to take that with face value. They're going to like a little Bible verse here and there. And
00:30:11.540 that's all. That's all. Wow. So we, look at that. We covered all of this and we'll have to have you on
00:30:16.780 again for another one of these. And we've got, we've got San Francisco. We've got wokeness in sports.
00:30:22.020 We've got wokeness in the churches and, and really, I do think we need a better name for it, but
00:30:27.500 I think we're starting now to become better to understand what this cultural rot is. But I do
00:30:34.600 like the fact that you came to it from the perspective of, I think it's people who mean
00:30:38.980 well, but they've been misled. Yeah. And I think that's something that we have to stop getting so
00:30:44.120 riled up about stuff because the left, all they're going to do is constantly just push this emotional
00:30:48.660 aspect and you don't want emotional arguments. We have to get down to logic. I don't think I
00:30:53.260 really subscribe to the facts. Don't care about your feelings completely. Cause there is feelings
00:30:58.400 involved. And I think we have to ask questions like maybe are some people doing this out of the
00:31:03.100 goodness of their hearts? Cause I've known a lot of good Christians that decided they're going to
00:31:06.120 stay in their, stay in their homes and they're going to follow these quote unquote guidelines and
00:31:11.140 everything. And I think a lot of those things, Jerry Spence, the great defense lawyer. Um,
00:31:15.460 I'm going to, uh, I'm paraphrasing, but he said, you know, uh, evidence doesn't win cases. Narratives
00:31:21.520 win cases. Narratives. Exactly. And I think that's why I'm glad we're able to have these
00:31:25.500 conversations. The fall of San Francisco, the fall of sports, the fall of Western Christianity. Once
00:31:31.240 you describe it that way, boom, people, um, tell people where they can follow you, where they can,
00:31:35.400 you know, where you hang your hat on social media wise. You guys can follow me on Instagram and
00:31:39.480 Twitter at Johnny root J O N N Y underscore. And that's where you can follow me, post a lot of
00:31:45.740 great content from what we're doing with TPUSA live breakaway. And I'm always open and honest
00:31:50.340 about my thoughts, been shadow banned a little bit, been trying to figure that out, but it's,
00:31:54.440 it's been great meeting more conservatives, having conversations like this. And I hope to have some
00:31:58.580 more. Very cool. And as I always say, take it away, John. Thanks, man.