00:00:54.240Ready for liftoff at the Kennedy Space Center.
00:00:56.720The Artemis II crew now in countdown mode.
00:00:59.640A mission that then paves the way for a future return to the lunar surface.
00:01:04.700The Supreme Court has struck down Colorado's ban on conversion therapy.
00:01:08.380That therapy includes efforts to change an individual's sexual orientation or gender identity during talk therapy.
00:01:14.620Artist Ian Goudreau breaking the news to NBC10 Monday afternoon.
00:01:18.740The Irina Zarutska mural is coming down.
00:01:20.920As the war in Iran continues, the U.S. State Department has updated travel warnings for Americans abroad.
00:01:27.580Several countries in the region have been upgraded to higher risk levels, including Saudi Arabia, Oman, Kuwait and Bahrain.
00:01:34.700Emergency responders in Haifa assessed the damage on Monday after Iran fired waves of missiles at Israel.
00:01:41.140The Israeli military said two drones from Yemen had also been intercepted and that Lebanon's Hezbollah had fired rockets at Israel as well.
00:01:49.920The attacks came as a defiant Tehran called U.S. peace proposals, quote,
00:01:54.800excessive, unrealistic, and illogical.
00:01:57.580President Trump issued a 10-day pause to postpone planned strikes on Iranian power plants and energy infrastructure.
00:02:04.520This remains a truly once-in-a-generation opportunity for the regime to make a good deal with the United States,
00:02:11.080permanently abandon their nuclear ambitions, and stop acting as the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism.
00:02:17.440No, he said four to six weeks, six to eight weeks, three. It could be any any particular number,
00:02:23.360but we would never reveal precisely what it is because our goal is to finish those objectives.
00:02:28.320And we're well on our way. President Trump issuing a new ultimatum
00:02:32.480to European countries about the Strait of Hormuz. President Trump taking to true social to say,
00:02:37.520quote, all of those countries that can't get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz,
00:02:42.240like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran.
00:02:46.480I have a suggestion for you. Number one, buy from the U.S. We have plenty. And number two,
00:02:51.320build up some delayed courage. Go to the straight and just take it. You have to start learning how
00:02:55.760to fight for yourself. The USA won't be there to help you anymore, just like you weren't there for
00:03:00.640us. The president goes on to say Iran has been essentially decimated. The hard part is done.
00:03:06.040Go get your own oil. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of the Human Events Daily.
00:03:15.700And, oh, Dominique, we have breaking news coming to you right now from the streets of Baghdad, of all places, where a female American journalist, Shelley Kittleson, has just been abducted by gunmen on the streets of Baghdad.
00:03:31.800This is breaking news that happened only moments ago.
00:03:35.160And she is someone, to give you the background, Shelley Kittleson, she has been reporting on the ground in the Middle East on the conflicts there for over a decade, almost two decades, really, going back almost 15 years.
00:03:50.660And she's reported extensively from Afghanistan, from Syria, from so many places.
00:03:55.560She's a freelancer, but she's reported for Almonitor. She's reported for Politico, for BBC, with so many foreign policy, New Lines magazine, The New Arab, BBC World Service, numerous awards from Italy for courageous reporting from war zones.
00:04:10.940She's extensively known for her coverage of frontline battles against ISIS and the Taliban, as well as displacement, the impact of war on civilians.
00:04:20.740And then, of course, she is also focused a bit recently on Iraqi politics.
00:04:26.160And perhaps some people may speculate that that has something to do with this abduction.
00:04:31.280There are initial reports, and I want to be very clear about this, that these are initial because this only happened just moments ago, that she may have been taken by Qatayyib Hezbollah or KH.
00:04:46.500So this is the main Shia militia group which operates within Iraq.
00:04:51.300Now, they are a separate group from the Lebanese Hezbollah, which, of course, everyone knows, and they obviously share a name, but they are a distinct group, which, of course, operates with the backing of Iran, as many of the Shia militia groups or SMGs do throughout Iraq.
00:05:08.880And this is they are considered the most potent and secretive militia in all of Iraq and in many cases works under the direct command of the IRGC.
00:05:21.900And so this is something where it's obviously going to change so much of the tenor, so much of the conversation where Peshan Yan, who is president of Armenia, had been coming out earlier today.
00:05:35.580And markets have reacted to this almost immediately, saying that Iran is ready for an end to the war.
00:05:41.540Of course, President Trump coming out earlier this morning and talking about the Strait of Hormuz, saying it's time for other countries to step up.
00:05:48.500You saw, of course, the Department of War's press conference at the Pentagon this morning.
00:05:52.140Real America's Voice was there covering that on the scene, talking about operations continuing.
00:05:57.460But a flurry of developments here in just the last couple of moments with President of Armenia coming out and perhaps perhaps sending some signals that the new regime in Iran is looking to sit down and make a deal.
00:06:12.120Now, of course, we here have been at Human Events Daily, have been reporting almost almost extensively throughout the last couple of days about these talks.
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00:09:09.040Okay, so news broke last night, a very misleading Daily Mail headline talking about a new filing in the Tyler Robinson case
00:09:20.080and had to do with something that actually come up prior to yesterday in a at the end of the last
00:09:28.220hearing. It was an emotion at the end of the last hearing. And this issue about retesting and further
00:09:34.100testing of a piece of evidence from the case. This was a huge part of the last hearing. We know
00:09:39.640and if you remember that last hearing is also where Tyler Robinson's lawyers decided to attack
00:09:44.880myself and Libby Emmons at human events because they didn't like the fact that we were pushing
00:09:50.160for cameras in the courtroom. So Kathy Nestor and the legal team there were attacking human events.
00:09:57.480Now, what we did find, though, was that this retesting of evidence had to do with
00:10:02.460bullet fragments and had to do with bullet fragments that were found during the autopsy
00:10:07.540of charlie kirk and those bullet fragments were so small that it was an inconclusive test to be
00:10:15.560able to bring it back and connect it directly with any barrel of any gun so they were not able
00:10:21.240to test them because they had fragmented so much when they struck charlie and the bullet then
00:10:27.740shattered into many pieces and the pieces that were found were not able to be matched directly
00:10:32.320so they're now moving on to metallurgical tests and so this new filing is out and of course what
00:10:37.340do we see more delay tactics from the defense team? The defense team wants to continue to kick
00:10:43.460the can down the road to push further and further and further from the date itself. And now they
00:10:48.500are moving to push back the preliminary hearing date, which was originally set for May 17th.1.00
00:10:53.960I want to bring on here Libby Emmons. She's the editor-in-chief of the Postmillennial and
00:10:57.900Human Events. And Libby has gone through today's hearing or today's motion as well as myself. Libby,
00:11:05.580how are you? I'm good, Jack. Thanks. And Libby, I'm just going to say right now, as now we already
00:11:12.180knew this piece about the fragment, but the thing that came out to me that was so actually, you know,
00:11:19.360breaking in terms of news, the newest thing that I had seen that I hadn't seen this reported
00:11:23.680anywhere until this filing, that we now see that the defense tells us that the prosecution plans
00:11:31.880to have Tyler Robinson's own parents and his boyfriend, his trans boyfriend, Lance Twiggs,
00:11:40.580testify against him in court. What do you make of this latest development that we're getting from
00:11:47.140the defense team? Yeah, I think it's really important that these witnesses come in and
00:11:52.160testify. And it was revealing that they put this in their motion for the six-month delay that
00:11:58.360they're asking for, essentially. And I think it will be very interesting to see the parents,
00:12:03.840Mr. and Mrs. Robinson, testify, as well as Mr. Twiggs, who we know has been essentially in
00:12:09.240hiding since Charlie Kirk was assassinated in September. So we will have to see what comes of
00:12:15.240it. But this also is revealing in terms of why we might think the defense definitely doesn't want
00:12:20.920cameras in the courtroom. What could be more damning than seeing parents testify against
00:12:25.980their own son in a capital murder case. What do you make of the fact that the parents are willing
00:12:33.820to testify, that it seems that they will both testify? We know that in, I think, the initial
00:12:39.600charging documents, we saw the story there about how this chain of events took place where the
00:12:45.520mother saw Tyler Robinson's image. We didn't know, the public didn't know the identification of him
00:12:50.880when it was released by law enforcement. It was the mother who identifies him,
00:12:54.560goes to the father. The father then confronts him, asks him about where's grandpa's rifle.
00:13:00.280Robinson doesn't respond. Robinson later becomes, we're told, suicidal. And at that point,
00:13:06.420that's when the father makes the identification and notifies law enforcement. So Libby,
00:13:11.740just sort of walk us through that chain of events, both from a legal perspective. And of course,
00:13:17.740as we know, this will at some point be presented to a jury. How impactful is it going to be
00:13:23.460having his own parents on stand like that. Yeah, I can certainly imagine being a member
00:13:29.000of that jury and being very moved by their testimony. You would imagine certainly as a
00:13:34.300jury member that if you are witnessing parents testifying against their own son, you know,
00:13:40.120which I imagine they will give the facts of the situation. I imagine they obviously do not want
00:13:45.180anything further terrible to happen to their child, but it is imperative that they take the
00:13:51.220stand. And it's also possible that were they not to voluntarily take the stand, they would have been
00:13:55.820called as perhaps hostile witnesses or something of that nature. But I think that as a jury member,
00:14:01.940you'd be specifically, you know, you'd be moved by this to see this going on. I have nothing but
00:14:07.300compassion for these parents and what they're going through with their family. It's absolutely
00:14:11.300a devastating scenario. But yeah, the defense will also want to cross-examine them. And what
00:14:18.140they're interested in also are bringing in expert witnesses, and that's something that they revealed
00:14:23.800in their motion. They want more time to bring in experts to go through not only all of the
00:14:29.420discovery that they're receiving from the defense, but also to dig into what's going on with these
00:14:35.220parents and to, you know, ask questions of their testimony. So that's part of what the defense is
00:14:41.060doing as well, is they want all of this extra time for experts to come in and take a closer look at
00:14:46.820everything. And of course the defense team is, is always when they don't have evidence in their
00:14:53.260side, evidence of, um, you know, really strong exculpatory evidence, which we've said over and
00:14:59.960over that the evidence here just is stacked up in one direction. And there is, again, there's just
00:15:07.780no evidence, uh, that anyone's been able to present showing a credible alternative here.
00:15:13.920And so the evidence stacks up. The evidence is clearly on one side in this case up to and of course, by the way, I just have to say up to and of course, the fact that the parents of the victim themselves are were the ones who made the identification and are the ones who we now know are going to be taking the stand and essentially pointing at their son and say that is the person I identified.
00:15:38.060That is my son. Yeah, they're going to have to do that. And the defense also in their ask for a six month delay, which you imagine I was thinking about this. You imagine they really want the public to forget about this case. They really want this to just get scooted under the rug. They don't want anyone to remember this. And six months from May is quite that's that's going to be a year. Right. Since Charlie was killed. So it's a it's a long time and they really want these delays.
00:16:04.460one of the things that they said is that they have to go through 600,000 files, 12 terabytes
00:16:11.600of data, and 5,000 videos containing more than 700 hours of video. So they want to scour through
00:16:19.960this. But I think they're also using this as an excuse to get the delays done. And when you look
00:16:24.720at the motion they filed, they indicated that should the delay not be granted by Judge Graff,
00:16:31.720that could end up being a situation where they could move for a new trial or move for a mistrial
00:16:37.660or say that this trial was not good enough.
00:16:41.400So that's what they're looking for as well.
00:16:45.860They have a lot of material to go through.
00:16:48.340I imagine a bunch of it is duplicates, frankly,
00:16:50.800because it's everybody's cell phone footage from Utah Valley University on September 10th.
00:16:55.680And they want to bring in the experts and try and discredit the parents as well.
00:17:00.320So we're really going to have to see what happens here. But my guess is that Graf is going to grant the the the delay.
00:17:11.440Well, we'll see. I would say we'll see, because here's here's my thought on this as well, is that this is not the trial itself.
00:17:19.600This is the preliminary hearing. And so since it is the preliminary hearing where Tyler Robinson, by the way, has yet to actually introduce a plea.
00:17:28.620He has not pled guilty. He has not pled not guilty. There has been no plea at this point.
00:17:31.960And this is the way the Utah system works. It's slightly different than other states.
00:17:35.700And so because this is the preliminary hearing, this is a bar that that the case has to get over.
00:17:43.700It is perfunctory in many cases, but it is also this hearing where so much of the evidence is going to be laid out.
00:17:52.520This is a huge key here. So the defense, of course, wants to delay the evidence being released to the public as much as possible, but it's going to be at that preliminary hearing where a lot of the evidence is going to come out.
00:18:06.640And in fact, they mention photographs of Charlie's body, photographs of the autopsy.
00:18:13.660They reference this in the court filing.
00:18:15.900Those are all going to be part of the public record in this case, as they are part of the
00:19:25.760Jack Posobiec. We are back live human events daily. Real America's voice. We're on with Libby
00:19:32.060Emmons. And we've been talking about how the parents of Tyler Robinson, Matt Robinson and
00:19:39.380Amber Robinson are now reportedly in this new court document, this new court filing, going to
00:19:45.860take the stand and actually testify on behalf of the prosecution in the case here. It's a stunning
00:19:52.580development, to be sure. But Libby, I also want to ask you about the fact that Lance Twiggs,
00:19:58.300Lance Twiggs, the trans furry, I guess, former boyfriend, is also going to be taking the stand
00:20:05.640against his former lover, Tyler Robinson. And of course, we know that with married couples,
00:20:12.660you know, marriage prevents the, you know, the forced nature of being, you can't be forced to
00:20:19.040testify against your spouse. But of course we don't have that here. So this is high drama.
00:20:24.080And we've also been told that twigs has been very cooperative with law enforcement since
00:20:29.520the very beginning. And all of this is interesting to me because when you read more into the
00:20:34.220relationship and the Turkey Tom leaks that have come out with a whistleblower from, you know,0.86
00:20:39.960this former member of their group, that it was twigs who really was responsible for radicalizing
00:20:46.360tyler for pushing him to become more political um said at one point that uh there was information
00:20:52.580or there was an implication that tyler was a virgin before he started living with lance twigs
00:20:59.240and that twigs had actually sort of um kind of twisted him into this role where he's constantly
00:21:06.000trying to impress tyler's trying to impress twigs and ingratiate himself with twigs and that
00:21:12.020actually this isn't even the first roommate that he had done this to. And so Libby, just, you know,
00:21:17.360we kind of throw all that together. What is your sense of what's going to happen when Twigs takes
00:21:22.500a stand? Yeah, I mean, Twigs has left Utah. He's been living apparently in Texas with his Mormon
00:21:29.560relatives. He's been pretty much out of the spotlight in photographs that have emerged of
00:21:34.440him since then. He has not appeared as anything other than a young man. So that's sort of an
00:21:40.740interesting thing, too, if perhaps this has changed his position on his various identity
00:21:46.820factors or whatnot. But it will be interesting to hear what he has to say. And I imagine that
00:21:52.600he will be asked about some of those messages that went back and forth between himself and
00:21:58.080Robinson in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's shooting, where we had Robinson saying things
00:22:04.480like, you know, remove these different notes that I left behind and sort of admitting that
00:22:10.160he had undertaken this horrific act. So we'll see what happens there and what goes on. I think
00:22:16.860the defense is definitely going to be trying to discredit that. They might try and say that some
00:22:22.380of what passed between them is just hearsay and not admissible in court, you know, so that's
00:22:29.300something that we might be looking out for as well. But it's, yeah, I mean, the relationship
00:22:34.480between the two of them is something that will have to be exposed in court, and the judge will
00:22:39.960have to get an understanding in the jury of exactly what that was like and what kind of
00:22:44.680impact Twiggs maybe had on Robinson. And, you know, I'm just going to say I'll come out and
00:22:53.560this has always been my big question is at what point did Lance Twiggs know what his roommate and
00:23:02.720his gay lover was up to? And at what point did he not know? Because we hear all this story about a
00:23:08.900letter that was being left that, that Tyler left a letter for twigs at his home. We see these text
00:23:14.840messages. There's these discord chats. There's all this information going out and, and the etchings
00:23:20.520on the bullet casings. Of course, we were talking about the bullet, um, finding earlier today,
00:23:24.780but these etchings on the bullet casings that we are told that Lance twigs saw that he saw him
00:23:31.640making the etchings in the bullet casings and somehow didn't think to say, hey, Ty,
00:23:39.860what's with the etchings on the bullet casings? Why are you writing things like, hey, fascist
00:23:45.200catch? And, you know, Bella, ciao, Bella, ciao, Bella, ciao, ciao, ciao, the Antifa
00:23:51.660international anthem, putting that on the the bullet casings, because got to say, Libby, if
00:23:57.800If if if I was over your place, you know, for for an Easter dinner and I saw you etching some bullet casings, I might say, hey, Libs, what you doing?
00:24:09.200I mean, there's also the there's been every indication and this is not just from, you know, Robinson and Twigs, but from the other people who had known them well, from friends that we've seen, you know, speak against, speak about this, that Twigs was very self-involved.
00:24:27.240right? He was creating nests. He had no concern for the other people in his home. He was growing
00:24:32.380mold in the kitchen, doing really disgusting things, taking over the whole space. So you
00:24:38.220wonder if Twiggs even noticed what was going on with Robinson or if he was entirely absorbed in
00:24:44.500himself. There was a lot of drug use, which certainly leads to introspection rather than
00:24:49.900it does to pay attention to the people around you. So that could certainly be part of it as well.
00:24:54.520And, you know, I mean, if we really want to let our imaginations run wild, we could imagine that Robinson was wanting more attention from twigs and was perhaps undertaking these acts, looking for twigs to pay attention to him, to, you know, acknowledge him, to become interested in what he was doing and what was going on in his life.
00:25:18.900There's so much of this and the stakes couldn't be higher.
00:25:23.560And so we are going to get I'm sure, by the way, at least the preliminary hearing that what we're going to see is the questioning of the specifics of the identification process, the specifics of everything that's in that charging document.
00:25:40.300Were these text messages sent by you? Were you know, was this the image that you use to identify your son?
00:25:46.860Was the was this the image that you use to identify the rifle, that that kind of thing?
00:25:50.100It'll be perfunctory. But of course, because it is a hearing, then Tyler Robinson's legal team will have the opportunity to cross examine as well, which actually sort of puts twigs and the defense in an interesting spot when it comes to twigs, because, you know, the defense is now going to be in a spot where they have to say that twigs somehow didn't know that it was going on, but also that their client is innocent.
00:26:16.580And it just creates a very interesting situation for them because what, you know, what are they going to do?
00:26:21.940Try to impeach the witness who, again, was the, you know, you just don't usually get a witness that's so close to a perpetrator because of marriage laws or something like this.
00:29:44.400Well, it's a huge deal, Jack. And I mean, let's be honest about what's circulating online right now. It's that Tyler Robinson is a patsy and that there's somebody else behind the scenes who was actually the Charlie Kirk murderer. Maybe he was put up to it by the boyfriend.
00:30:00.940Like having having his parents and his furry boyfriend testify against him is is a big deal, I guess, in the conspiracy theory world.
00:30:11.640And yeah, I think that it's it's going to be a big deal.
00:30:15.520I think that we have cameras in the in the courtroom present as well, Jack, because I know you were upset about this as well as I was that we were at first not going to be able to have full transparency into this case.
00:30:26.520Now we will. We need that because Charlie Kirk had such a huge impact on my generation, on the entire country, and we need the truth to come out.
00:30:35.420And we need to have real clarity because otherwise we just leave it to lots of different conspiracies and people who, you know, are spreading, I think, a lot of confusion.
00:30:46.580No, I think that's right. And I think the Daily Mail headline that came out yesterday regarding this case was very much a clickbait headline.
00:30:57.180And it's something where I'll just say it right, that the true crime community does stuff like this all the time.
00:31:03.800And anyone who's been listening to Human Events Daily for any period of time knows that I've called the true crime community consistently a cancer on society.
00:31:13.120And they are completely reprehensible. They work with complete frauds like the Innocence Project, and they use these types of tactics all the time.
00:31:21.460They will just run with anything that the defense says, any claim, any accusation must be true and any piece of evidence must be false because it's being presented by the prosecution.
00:31:33.360You see this over and over in these true crime cases that these these podcasters in the true crime community always bring up.
00:31:41.740I think of The New York Times doing this.
00:31:43.080I think of Netflix doing this in the making of a murderer over and over and over.
00:31:50.360And that's exactly what The Daily Mail did yesterday and talking about an inconclusive case and then shaping a headline to make it look like something else was being said.
00:32:02.560This is a huge problem for us if we want to have actual truth in our society, because you get these half truths, you get these myth truths that are spread out.
00:32:10.740You see the same thing with Derek Chauvin, George Floyd.
00:32:13.920I mean, you could go down the list of all the different cases that people lie about.
00:32:17.700And again, we have here at Human Events Daily been very consistent about what the truth was.
00:32:23.500I love people who are actually true seekers, who will go out and do the work that sometimes law enforcement isn't willing to do or is capable of doing.
00:32:31.800But there's also something sick about the true crime community, Jack, that cannot be denied. Making a murderer is a great example. What happened with the four college students a few years ago with Brian Koberger, I mean, the intrigue around it, there's almost something kind of disturbing about people's fascination with the case.
00:32:49.100And then concocting these theories that are completely based outside of reality, just for, I think, the sheer joy of concocting it, that it's unhelpful and it doesn't it doesn't make it doesn't help the truth come out.
00:33:02.000It doesn't make anything better. So I guess I think this is just so important that we have transparency in this case.
00:33:14.560You know, by the way, do you know there are people who in the true crime community who still push the notion that Brian Koberger is actually innocent?
00:33:25.800And you may not know about this, but there is a name for them.
00:33:31.060So the pro-burgers are people who actually believe that Brian Coburg, despite the evidence and despite the plea, actually believe that he was he was set up, that there was, you know.
00:33:44.140Some conspiracy. And in fact, there was a there's a woman I should have pulled it up.
00:33:50.080There's a girl on TikTok who was saying that some local college professor was actually behind the entire thing.
00:33:55.880The professor sues the individual on TikTok and won a pretty big settlement in a defamation case against this, because, again, this this person had just no complicity whatsoever.
00:34:06.440And here here was somebody on TikTok using this case for clicks and using this person's name and accusing them of a crime in order to, you know, just just burnish their their profile.
00:34:16.640So, again, for people who have not been following that case and the way the true crime community and some of the, I would say, negative elements and toxic elements of it have locked on, go and look up the pro-burgers.
00:34:31.060Jack there was I think it was it was actually a couple years ago that a movie studio bought the0.96
00:34:36.600rights to the story of of these these college students murder and this Brian Koberger story
00:34:42.460which I think tells you a lot about like where we are in the the true crime community right it's not
00:34:47.400just individuals but there are like there's like a whole industry behind this where people make a
00:34:52.420lot of money um I just think I just think reveling in like the sickness of the details I don't know
00:34:57.680It kind of reminds me of when the Catholic Church talks about like exorcisms and sort of this dark side of the spiritual world.
00:35:05.180And you're supposed to know that it exists, but you aren't supposed to want to have this sort of sick love and fascination for it.
00:35:10.880You're supposed to actually not want to dig into it too deeply.
00:35:13.660That's kind of how I feel about some of these true crime things because it just leads you down a terrible rabbit hole.
00:35:18.140I think women especially get to be hooked onto it more than men, right?
00:35:23.220How many like husbands and boyfriends out there are like, I can't believe that she's listening to these, you know, crazy podcasts or like true crime documentaries.
00:35:31.700And it is kind of, I think, a sick fascination that is not helpful or good for your soul.
00:35:39.500Well, I agree with you that that I don't think it's good for the soul.
00:35:42.540And, you know, at the same time, I don't have a problem with people.
00:35:46.540I would say following cases, you know, that's one thing.
00:35:49.760And of course we live in a society and where we should do this.
00:35:53.820There's also something where, by the way, I think that a lot of people, I'm very critical
00:35:57.360of the mainstream, um, entertainment media as well, because when you watch all, there's
00:36:02.620all these cop shows on TV, um, you know, broadcast TV or on streaming TV, and they just
00:41:00.420And that is how we're told, I think it's one, it's a bullet jacket fragment that they were
00:41:05.220trying to match with the striations of the, of the barrel, but they weren't able to because
00:41:10.640it was just, it was just too small of a piece.
00:41:12.420So now what they're moving to for the ATF, they're trying to see, I think it's ATF and
00:41:17.700and FBI are trying to see if they can match using metallurgy to match the specifics of the of the
00:41:25.100chemical and metal metal composition of the bullet fragment found in Charlie with the bullet casings
00:41:31.320and bullets that were that were left separate. So, again, that's the information that I have on that.
00:41:37.600And that's was always the explanation that I was given on on why that happened.
00:41:42.880And also that this isn't the and also, by the way, this isn't the first time that this has happened.
00:41:47.700This is something that happens with high-velocity rounds, with rifle rounds.
00:41:51.120It's actually, interestingly enough, it's actually the same thing that happened to Martin Luther King when Martin Luther King was shot.
00:41:57.940There was no exit wound, and it was a 30-out-six.
00:42:00.280And so if it hits him in the collarbone, I think a question a lot of people are going to have, including myself, is,
00:42:05.360okay, so then why are we seeing a piece of shrapnel come back up and hit him in the neck?
00:42:12.080um not i mean obviously where we're seeing that it's above the um the collarbone
00:42:17.880um i've watched the video a thousand times to me what i see is uh is uh you know the
00:42:26.240neck wound opening and i don't see anything that that jumps up other than like his shirt and that's
00:42:33.460that's the energy from the uh from the round that's expending itself inside again his neck
00:42:39.900and his and his body and his shirt okay but i don't think there's anything jumping up
00:42:45.260at least in terms of the um like a like a bullet or a piece of shrapnel i know there was a theory
00:42:51.100at one point that charlie was um you know potentially wearing a vest and keep in mind
00:42:58.160these are like really zoomed in like iphone videos and stuff so there's a lot of just
00:43:02.260you know it's it's not like 4k video or something and so there's there's just a lot of pixelation
00:43:09.320And I know there was a theory that some people had that perhaps he was wearing a vest and that the vest ricocheted into into Charlie's neck.
00:43:17.100And that just that just wasn't the case. That was the entrance wound.
00:43:19.900Well, I think, Jack, we have to be honest about why this has been such a difficult conversation for so many of us to have, because, I mean, think about the lack of transparency that we've had on Jeffrey Epstein for years and years.
00:43:31.960Obviously, I mean, I mean, Joe Biden, I've seen files. We have all this drama around it. And then, of course, what happened with JFK and MLK and RFK? I mean, like I mean, and President Trump, to his credit, has released a lot of these these documents.
00:43:47.080But the problem is that there has been this perception, and I think not unjustified from the American people, that when there's a high-profile assassination, there's not a lot of transparency from our government.
00:43:59.860And so immediately when we see somebody like Charlie Kirk be murdered, understandably, people get very, I think, suspicious of our own government and for good reason because they've lied to us so many times.
00:44:14.700And that's why in every time that I've talked about this or every time I've talked to the administration about this or anyone involved with it, that I always say, guys, you want to err on the side of transparency and you want to put if there's information that can be put out, put it out.
00:44:29.400If there's reports that should be put out, they should be put out.
00:44:31.420the autopsy i've said this from the very start that this should just be released just release
00:44:36.320the autopsy to again give people the information as to what's out there because look i get it that
00:44:43.740in a you know in a in a sort of pre-internet setting you want to kind of hold everything
00:44:50.420until you get to trial you want to be um be cognizant of all of these things but at the same
00:44:55.740time information just doesn't work that way anymore and we live in an information environment
00:45:01.020where people are saying, oh, well, you holding something back for trial, you know, that's
00:45:39.360If people think I didn't ask any questions, like, are you serious?
00:45:42.320You know, anything about like what I do and what I'm going to try to look into for my friend.
00:45:47.760And this is the information that I've been given.
00:45:50.520You know, this is the information that I've been able to find, that I've been able to, um, received in terms of like either just looking online or talking to people.
00:45:58.380that obviously I know a lot of people who were there.