Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Breaking： Utah Prosecutors Announce Charges Against Charlie Kirk Assassin

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

00:00:39.740 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:46.440 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:49.540 Christ is king.

00:00:55.040 As long as there is blood in my veins and air in my lungs,

00:01:00.000 I will make sure that the radical left, the media, and the Democrats never forget the name

00:01:09.740 of Charlie Kirk.

00:01:12.700 We are here not because we want to be here.

00:01:16.980 Not because we choose to be here.

00:01:20.700 This wasn't some accident, but you listen to the media,

00:01:23.620 and they treat it like it was just a car crash.

00:01:28.260 A tragic train derailment.

00:01:31.100 A plane crash.

00:01:31.840 No.

00:01:32.960 No.

00:01:33.460 And don't you ever let them trick you with their words, their wicked twisting of words.

00:01:41.500 No.

00:01:42.760 Charlie Kirk was murdered.

00:01:45.240 Charlie Kirk was assassinated in cold blood.

00:01:49.420 He was shot down an innocent man for the only crime that he ever committed was speaking the truth.

00:01:57.380 I still think of Erica, and I think of Charlie's children.

00:02:07.340 And I know that if some bullet came and cut me down,

00:02:15.900 that Charlie would be there for my children to be an uncle to them.

00:02:21.120 So I will always be there for Charlie's children as an uncle to them to tell them who their father was,

00:02:31.360 to tell them what he stood for, to tell them who Charlie the man was.

00:02:38.140 Charlie was not a boy.

00:02:40.760 Charlie started this movement.

00:02:42.860 He was a boy.

00:02:43.620 When he first started, he was a boy.

00:02:46.360 But he went out a man.

00:02:48.500 He went out with his boots on.

00:02:50.480 He went out as a lion.

00:02:54.000 With the courage of a lion.

00:02:56.320 With more courage than all of us.

00:02:58.720 When we fight.

00:02:59.880 When we step up to the plate.

00:03:02.840 When we put up a folding table in a park or on campus.

00:03:07.100 When we set up a chair and pick up a microphone.

00:03:09.680 When we go out there.

00:03:11.520 When we give it all.

00:03:12.860 We're doing it for Charlie.

00:03:25.480 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard.

00:03:28.560 Today's edition of Human Events Daily here live.

00:03:31.900 Phoenix, Arizona.

00:03:34.940 Today is September 16th, 2025.

00:03:38.240 Anno Domini.

00:03:38.960 I'm here in the Charlie Kirk studio.

00:03:42.380 I'm sitting next to my friend's chair.

00:03:46.160 And we just played the video of this incredible ASU memorial service.

00:03:53.720 Which was held for Charlie last night.

00:03:56.740 It was the first event that I've held.

00:03:59.560 That Turning Point has done since then.

00:04:01.720 I've got the Freedom shirt right here.

00:04:06.000 And these are just the outpouring of love for Charlie.

00:04:10.960 The outpouring of support for the mission.

00:04:13.420 It's greater than everything I've ever seen.

00:04:16.640 And I'm rendered speechless by it.

00:04:20.580 The amount of people who came last night was astonishing.

00:04:26.160 I'm told 14,000.

00:04:29.520 Sun Devils Arena there in, you know, at ASU campus.

00:04:33.460 And of course it was on campus.

00:04:34.720 This was the same campus, by the way, where Turning Point got started.

00:04:39.680 Turning Point was born on ASU's campus.

00:04:43.240 And it's only fitting that the first Turning Point event after the assassination would be there.

00:04:53.440 We have an FBI briefing that is now about to take place in Utah in the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:05:02.280 I believe we have someone walking up to the podium.

00:05:05.040 Guys, is that going live right now?

00:05:07.900 Let's take it.

00:05:09.400 Patience as we continue to get that process going and completed so that we can continue and Jeff can appear before you.

00:05:16.120 Again, to answer some of your initial questions, Jeff is the only one who's going to be speaking.

00:05:22.160 He will take questions afterwards.

00:05:23.700 He will go through the charges and list them.

00:05:27.240 We'll be right back to questions and we'll try to do it as orderly as we can.

00:05:30.820 So we appreciate you being here and we appreciate your patience as you go through this process with us.

00:05:35.260 We'll be right back with you.

00:05:36.380 I think that was just a preview.

00:05:47.160 So, okay, we're waiting for this.

00:05:49.340 I've been told that there is a major update that's about to come in the charges on this case.

00:05:59.380 I don't want to get ahead of the press conference.

00:06:01.640 Just some information I received minutes before I came on camera here today, but information that will lead towards the prosecution of this suspect, that will lead towards the overall case in, of course, the murder and assassination of my friend, of Charlie Kirk.

00:06:24.480 And, you know, it's quite a thing to be in a position where, you know, we do a breaking news show and we report on these stories every day.

00:06:36.980 And I wish we didn't have to report them every day, but unfortunately that's the world we live in.

00:06:41.740 And it's a little bit, I'm not even sure what the word is.

00:06:48.000 It's just, it's very different when you're reporting on it on your own friend and someone that you were very, very close to.

00:06:57.640 But I know that Charlie would want us to be here to continue the work, to continue the fight.

00:07:06.600 I know it's exactly what he would do if that bullet came at me, if I was out somewhere.

00:07:14.980 And I know that Charlie would be there making sure that everything was done to make sure that the perpetrator,

00:07:23.360 anyone who aided the perpetrator, this evildoer, are all brought to justice.

00:07:30.040 Anyone giving aid and comfort are brought to justice and also the networks and the assemblage of entities

00:07:41.080 and the thousands of people cheering, celebrating, rejoicing the death of my friend.

00:07:49.820 That they are named, that they are publicly shamed, that they pay the social cost for what they are doing.

00:08:02.120 All of them and any organization that is involved in this, that's been involved in wandering money

00:08:11.720 for these types of radical, domestic, terrorist expressions, that they pay the price as well.

00:08:24.960 And it's really as simple as that.

00:08:26.820 I do want to address something, and of course we'll go back.

00:08:30.720 I'm looking over my shoulder to see the podium.

00:08:32.960 As soon as they walk out, we're going to cut directly to that.

00:08:36.760 Guys, let's blow the brakes so I don't want to miss any second of this.

00:08:40.860 I know that the press conference is going to be imminent.

00:08:45.940 Of course, we've got the shot right there.

00:08:48.400 But I do want to address something that came up from yesterday,

00:08:53.200 and there was this statement or thought that's been going around about hate speech.

00:09:04.060 Charlie was against hate speech laws.

00:09:07.320 He talked about it right here in the studio all the time.

00:09:10.860 It's something he and I were complete lockstep on.

00:09:13.520 I think everyone on the crew, certainly on Thought Crime, our Thursday show together that we talked about.

00:09:21.200 In fact, the very name of the show was sort of a play on that, the Orwellian phrase, thought crime,

00:09:27.360 because how could a thought be a crime?

00:09:29.880 It is tyrannical to criminalize thoughts and to criminalize speech.

00:09:34.740 This is what we were always against.

00:09:36.000 Charlie Kirk wasn't killed by speech.

00:09:45.340 Charlie Kirk was killed by extremists who wanted to silence his speech.

00:09:53.400 That's who did this.

00:09:57.400 So let's not get it twisted.

00:09:59.420 Let's not get over our skis.

00:10:02.800 Let's not play games.

00:10:04.740 There were people who killed Charlie.

00:10:06.860 There were a movement of these people, a social cancer, a social contagion, actual people. 0.94

00:10:16.200 And those are the people and the adherents of this sick, extreme ideology.

00:10:23.360 Of radical Marxism mixed with the radical trans community. 0.96

00:10:32.160 Charlie, that's who killed Charlie.

00:10:35.500 And we need to say it over and over because I keep seeing and hearing these individuals go up on media and go up in front of cameras and they won't say the words.

00:10:51.640 They just won't say the words.

00:10:52.940 It kind of reminds me of, you know, when 9-11 happened, there were so many people who wouldn't say the words radical Islam.

00:11:01.940 They wouldn't say it.

00:11:03.100 They just wouldn't say the words radical Islam.

00:11:05.480 That's who did it.

00:11:06.220 It was radical Islam. 0.78

00:11:08.040 Radical Islam was deeply, deeply, deeply the cause. 1.00

00:11:13.640 And people wouldn't say it.

00:11:15.180 They want to play games.

00:11:17.000 They want to equivocate.

00:11:18.300 No, can't do that.

00:11:20.420 We're not doing that here.

00:11:22.940 So, radical Marxists promoting the trans agenda did this.

00:11:30.260 It's as simple as that.

00:11:31.440 And how do we know?

00:11:33.020 We know because they wrote it on the bullets that were used to kill Charlie Kirk.

00:11:39.800 And I, I guess, was involved in a debate with one of these radicals yesterday.

00:11:45.280 I actually didn't know I was going to be in that debate.

00:11:48.280 And I'm sure we'll play some clips of it later.

00:11:50.000 Or, you know, they were all, everyone's seen them already.

00:11:55.320 And they wanted to get pedantic about, oh, which specific bullet was used?

00:12:08.040 They were all used.

00:12:09.360 And everyone promoting this stuff played a part in the pull of that trigger.

00:12:15.820 It's really simple.

00:12:16.820 And so, we can see it.

00:12:22.100 And we're done playing the games.

00:12:24.060 We're done playing the gotchas. 0.99

00:12:26.880 We're done with all that crap. 0.99

00:12:28.980 All right, the podium's up. 0.98

00:12:31.940 Let's go to it.

00:12:32.440 Tony's findings are up to this point.

00:12:35.000 And then he will take questions.

00:12:36.460 The number of questions may be limited, however.

00:12:39.060 I may, I may cut it off.

00:12:40.320 I may assist him in, in helping to pick the people who are asking the question.

00:12:45.140 We just ask that you keep the questions to the process of what we're talking about.

00:12:48.960 And refrain from asking questions that speculate or get into the political dynamic of the case.

00:12:55.180 For Utah County, this is a murder case.

00:12:57.700 And we're trying a murder case.

00:12:58.940 We're trying to keep the questions to that.

00:13:00.360 But I understand that you're under pressure and have a lot of different questions.

00:13:03.560 And we'll try to answer them.

00:13:05.200 We're joined today by our sheriff and our prosecution team and our county commissioners.

00:13:10.000 Jeff is going to be the only one speaking right now.

00:13:12.160 And I'll introduce right now, county attorney, Jeff Gray.

00:13:31.720 The murder of Charlie Kirk is an American tragedy.

00:13:35.840 Charlie Kirk was murdered while engaging in one of our most sacred and cherished American rights.

00:13:45.160 The bedrock of our democratic republic.

00:13:48.660 The free exchange of ideas in a search for truth, understanding, and a more perfect union.

00:13:57.200 It is also an offense against the state and to the peace and enjoyment of the people of Utah

00:14:05.380 and of all those who visit here.

00:14:09.260 But Charlie Kirk's murder also strikes a more personal and intimate chord.

00:14:15.480 Charlie Kirk was first and foremost a husband and a father to two beautiful young children.

00:14:23.560 He was a son.

00:14:24.520 He was a brother and a friend.

00:14:28.080 Like all murders, the senseless and needless taking of Charlie Kirk's life

00:14:33.380 has shattered the lives of those he loved and those who loved him.

00:14:39.440 To Charlie's wife, Erica, his two young children, his parents, his family, and his friends.

00:14:47.840 I express my sincere condolences and offer my heartfelt prayers on your behalf.

00:14:54.700 I also want to express my concern for everyone who is at Charlie's Turning Point USA event

00:15:03.200 at the Utah Valley University and all who have been impacted by this tragedy.

00:15:12.260 As county attorney, I am charged with bringing justice to those who offend our laws.

00:15:18.980 I am charged with bringing justice for those who harm, for those who are harmed.

00:15:27.380 I am charged with bringing justice for Charlie Kirk.

00:15:31.720 I am committed to these aims.

00:15:34.760 I take this responsibility seriously.

00:15:38.040 Today, after reviewing the evidence that law enforcement has collected thus far,

00:15:43.600 I am filing a criminal information charging Tyler James Robinson, age 22, with the following crimes.

00:15:54.000 Count one, aggravated murder, a capital offense for intentionally or knowingly causing the death

00:16:01.860 of Charlie Kirk under circumstances that created a great risk of death to others.

00:16:08.300 Count two, felony discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily injury, a first-degree felony.

00:16:18.000 The state is further alleging aggravating factors on counts one and two

00:16:23.840 because the defendant is believed to have targeted Charlie Kirk based on Charlie Kirk's political expression

00:16:32.280 and did so knowing that children were present and would witness the homicide.

00:16:38.300 The state is also charging defendant with count three, obstruction of justice, a second-degree felony

00:16:50.420 for moving and concealing the rifle used in the shooting.

00:16:55.820 Count four, obstruction of justice, a second-degree felony for disposing the clothing he wore during the shooting.

00:17:05.760 Count five, witness tampering, a third-degree felony for directing his roommate to delete his incriminating texts.

00:17:16.520 Count six, witness tampering, a third-degree felony for directing his roommate to stay silent if police questioned him.

00:17:25.020 Count seven, commission of a violent offense in the presence of a child, a class A misdemeanor for committing homicide

00:17:35.020 knowing that children were present and may have seen or heard the murder and did so based on Charlie Kirk's political expression.

00:17:45.280 Count five, referee for committing죽 statement must have appeared in another armed defense against statutory referee.

00:17:57.540 Also following the press conference I am filing a notice of intent to seek the death penalty.

00:17:59.660 independently as county attorney based solely on the available evidence and circumstances and

00:18:07.360 nature of the crime. Because we are seeking the death penalty, the defendant will continue to

00:18:13.860 be held without bail in the Utah County Jail. Turning to the 10-page information, these are

00:18:24.820 the allegations. On September 10, 2025, at approximately 1223 p.m., Charlie Kirk was shot and killed while

00:18:36.920 speaking to a large crowd on the campus of Utah Valley University in Orem, Utah. Police found the

00:18:45.180 suspected murder weapon, a bolt-action .30-06 rifle, nearby. Over the next approximately 33 hours,

00:18:54.820 police conducted a manhunt for the shooter until the evening of September 11, 2025, when

00:19:03.860 Tyler James Robinson surrendered to police at the Washington County Sheriff's Office. DNA consistent

00:19:12.320 with Robinson was found on the rifle's trigger. After shooting Mr. Kirk, Robinson hid the gun,

00:19:20.920 discarded the clothing he wore when he fired the rifle, and told his roommate to delete incriminating

00:19:28.680 text messages and not talk to police. Children were present at the time of the shooting.

00:19:35.080 The shooting. Turning Point USA, a non-profit organization founded in 2012 by Charlie Kirk, organized

00:19:44.840 a public outdoor event to be held at noon on September 10, 2025 at UVU. The event was the first in a series

00:19:55.080 of similar events to be held at college campuses nationwide. Mr. Kirk is a well-known conservative

00:20:03.320 activist famous for these type of events where he discusses various political issues and debates with

00:20:10.280 audience members. His events and comments have garnered a significant number of supporters and drawn the

00:20:19.000 ire of many who disagree with his political views. The event at UVU was announced far in advance and garnered

00:20:27.480 significant publicity and interest. Consequently, several hundred people attended. Mr. Kirk was interacting

00:20:35.960 with a crowd before the event officially got underway. Then, at approximately noon, Mr. Kirk seated himself

00:20:44.600 under a portable canopy behind a table and microphone. He began speaking to the crowd and fielding questions

00:20:53.960 from attendees, a format Mr. Kirk commonly used at his events. Mr. Kirk allowed his questionnaires to approach

00:21:03.240 a microphone positioned directly in front of him. Mr. Kirk's team members were very close to him on his right

00:21:11.880 and left, as well as some behind his canopy and others at various close locations near him. The large crowd

00:21:21.000 surrounded Mr. Kirk on three sides. Temporary metal fencing separated attendees from Mr. Kirk by only a

00:21:31.720 matter of a matter of feet. Directly above and behind Mr. Kirk was the UVU Hall of Flags, an indoor walkway spanning

00:21:41.000 several hundred feet with floor-to-ceiling glass windows which overlook the plaza where Mr. Kirk was seated.

00:21:49.720 People were in the walkway at the time of the shooting. Approximately 15 minutes into the event, Mr. Kirk was

00:21:56.920 answering a question about mass shootings by transgender individuals when a gunshot rang out. The bullet struck

00:22:06.040 Mr. Kirk in the neck. He slumped to the ground almost immediately. The bullet's trajectory passed

00:22:14.680 closely to several other individuals beside Mr. Kirk, including the questioner who was standing directly

00:22:22.200 in front of Mr. Kirk. Children were visible near Mr. Kirk's stage when he was shot. Mr. Kirk was rushed to

00:22:31.080 a nearby hospital where he was declared deceased. The medical examiner's report is still pending.

00:22:39.880 So UVU surveillance.

00:22:43.880 So at the moment of the shot, a UVU police officer

00:22:47.640 was watching the crowd from an elevated vantage point. As soon as he heard the shot, he began to scan the area for threats.

00:22:57.320 Believing the shot came from a rifle because of its sound, he looked for potential sniper positions.

00:23:04.840 He noted a roof area approximately 160 yards away from Mr. Kirk

00:23:10.520 Kirk as a potential shooting position and rushed there to look for evidence.

00:23:17.560 The suspected shooting position is adjacent to an open, publicly accessible walkway.

00:23:24.440 To access the suspected location, a person must climb over a railing and then drop to the roof only

00:23:32.120 slightly below. The UV officer climbed over the railing and down onto the roof.

00:23:37.960 He then walked to the suspected shooting position and confirmed a clear shooting corridor between the

00:23:44.920 position and Mr. Kirk's seat. He also noticed markings in the gravel rooftop, consistent with a sniper having

00:23:54.120 laying on the roof, impressions in the gravel potentially left by the elbows, knees, and feet of a person in a prone shooting position.

00:24:05.960 Police reviewed surveillance from the camera covering the roof and discovered that it recorded an

00:24:13.080 individual dressed in dark clothing cross the railing from the public walkway and drop onto the roof at approximately 12.15 p.m.

00:24:23.240 Although the individual moved out of the camera's view for a short time, the camera again captured the

00:24:31.960 individual running across the roof and then low crawling to the area the UVU officer recognized as where the

00:24:40.200 suspected sniper had dropped into a prone shooting position. After a short time, which matches the known time of the shot,

00:24:49.000 the individual arose and ran across the roof to the northeast. This discovery led to an intensive

00:24:56.760 review of UVU surveillance recordings to attempt to track and identify the suspect. Surveillance revealed

00:25:06.440 the following at approximately 11.51 a.m. The suspect entered campus from the north. He is seen wearing a

00:25:15.000 black shirt with an American flag in the center, a dark baseball cap and large sunglasses. Throughout the

00:25:23.000 surveillance, the suspect keeps his head down and rarely raises his head enough to get a clear image of his face.

00:25:30.440 As he proceeds across the campus, he is seen walking with an unusual gait. The suspect walks with very

00:25:39.240 little bending in his right leg, consistent with a rifle being hidden in his pants. This unusual gait

00:25:48.200 continues until the suspect is seen crossing the railway off the open walkway and onto the roof where he

00:25:55.480 leaves the camera's view. A camera later captures the suspect as he runs across the roof to the suspected

00:26:03.960 shooting position. Immediately after the shot was fired, a camera captures the suspect running across

00:26:11.160 the roof carrying an item whose shape is consistent with a rifle. The suspect is then seen climbing down

00:26:18.680 from the roof. He appears to drop the item he was carrying as he hits the ground in a controlled fall.

00:26:25.720 He then picks up the item and runs toward the northeast end of campus. Expanded crime scene

00:26:33.080 investigation. Law enforcement officers followed the suspect's escape path to the northeast end of

00:26:39.480 campus where they believe the suspect left campus and entered a wooded area. In that wooded area, investigators

00:26:47.560 found a bolt action rifle wrapped in a towel. The rifle contained one spent round and three unspent

00:26:56.360 rounds. This is consistent with the facts officers observed at the time of and immediately after the

00:27:04.200 shootings. No shell casings were found on the roof suggesting a bolt action rather than auto loading weapon

00:27:13.640 and only a single round was fired. Each round in the rifle contained an etched inscription as follows.

00:27:23.480 The fired cartridge

00:27:27.080 was etched. No tices bulge. O-W-O. What's this?

00:27:33.480 The second cartridge that was that was again not spent, the last three were not spent, were not fired.

00:27:44.120 The second, hey fascist catch with arrow symbols. The third cartridge, O Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, 0.62

00:27:55.080 Chow Chow. The fourth cartridge. If you read this, you are gay. L-M-A-O. The rifle, ammunition rounds and towel 1.00

00:28:09.880 were sent for forensic processing. DNA consistent with defendant was found on the trigger, other parts of

00:28:19.240 the rifle, the fired cartridge casing, two of the three unfired cartridges, and the towel. Law enforcement

00:28:28.040 was unable to immediately locate the shooter, so they published photos of the shooter from the UVU

00:28:34.200 surveillance cameras and asked for the public's help to identify him. Meanwhile, law enforcement

00:28:41.240 continued to try to identify the shooter through other means.

00:28:44.760 The Washington County investigation. On the evening of September 11, 2025, as law enforcement continued

00:28:54.280 their investigation, Tyler James Robinson went to the Washington County Sheriff's Office with his

00:29:01.800 parents and a family friend to turn himself in. Robinson's mother stated the following to police.

00:29:11.000 On September 11, 2025, the day after the shooting, Robinson's mother saw the photo of the shooter in the news

00:29:19.720 and thought the shooter looked like her son. Robinson's mother called her son

00:29:29.000 and asked him where he was. He said he was at home sick and that he had also been at home homesick on September 10.

00:29:37.880 Robinson's mother expressed concern to her husband that the suspect shooter looked like Robinson.

00:29:45.240 Robinson's father agreed. Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more

00:29:53.960 political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights oriented.

00:30:02.440 She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders.

00:30:12.200 This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father,

00:30:19.480 who have very different political views. In one conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk

00:30:27.080 would be holding an event at UVU, which Robert Robinson said was a stupid venue for the event. 0.99

00:30:36.920 Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate. Robinson's father reported that when his wife showed him the 0.99

00:30:44.280 surveillance image of the suspected shooter in the news, he agreed that it looked like their son.

00:30:50.040 He also believed that the rifle that police suspected the shooter used matched a rifle that was given to his son as a gift.

00:31:00.200 As a result, Robinson's father contacted his son and asked him to send a photo of the rifle.

00:31:07.080 Robinson did not respond. However, Robinson's father spoke on the phone with Robinson.

00:31:13.240 Robinson implied that he planned to take his own life. Robinson's parents were able to convince him to meet at their home.

00:31:23.160 As they discussed the situation, Robinson implied that he was the shooter and stated that he couldn't go to jail and just wanted to end it.

00:31:33.160 When asked why he did it, Robinson explained there is too much evil and the guy, referring to Charlie Kirk, spreads too much hate.

00:31:41.560 They talked about Robinson turning himself in and convinced Robinson to speak with a family friend who is a retired deputy sheriff.

00:31:53.160 At Robinson's father's request, the family friend met with Robinson and his parents and convinced Robinson to turn himself in.

00:32:03.240 The family friend spoke to police and reported telling Robinson that it would be best if he brought all evidence with him to the sheriff's office to avoid police having to search his parents' home.

00:32:17.560 The friend also asked Robinson if he had any clothes that were related to what he did.

00:32:23.800 Robinson replied that he had disposed of the clothes in different areas.

00:32:28.220 Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved in a romantic relationship with Robinson.

00:32:41.740 The roommate told police that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting and he did provide those messages to police.

00:32:51.200 On September 10th, 2025, the roommate received a text message from Robinson which said,

00:32:59.800 Drop what you're doing. Look under my keyboard.

00:33:03.440 The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated,

00:33:07.720 Quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.

00:33:13.860 Police found a photograph of this note.

00:33:16.360 The following text exchange then took place.

00:33:22.460 After reading the note, the roommate responded,

00:33:26.040 What?

00:33:27.180 You're joking, right?

00:33:29.500 Robinson, I am still okay, my love, but am stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet.

00:33:36.420 Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still.

00:33:41.400 To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age.

00:33:46.460 I am sorry to involve you.

00:33:49.640 Roommate, you weren't the one who did it, right?

00:33:53.720 Robinson, I am, I am, I'm sorry.

00:33:57.700 Roommate, I thought they caught the person.

00:34:00.560 Robinson, no, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing.

00:34:06.740 I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down.

00:34:15.660 It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering.

00:34:21.080 Roommate, why? 0.98

00:34:22.980 Robinson, why did I do it?

00:34:25.220 Roommate, yeah.

00:34:27.680 Robinson, I had enough of his hatred.

00:34:30.320 Some hate can't be negotiated out.

00:34:32.520 If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence.

00:34:41.120 Going to attempt to retrieve it again.

00:34:43.720 Hopefully they have moved on.

00:34:45.700 I haven't seen anything about them finding it.

00:34:49.200 Roommate, how long have you been planning this?

00:34:52.740 Robinson, a bit over a week, I believe.

00:34:55.960 I can get close to it, but there is a squad car parked right by it.

00:35:00.180 I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it.

00:35:05.900 Robinson again, I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle.

00:35:12.100 I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle.

00:35:19.420 IDEK, if it's had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me.

00:35:23.980 I worry about prints I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits.

00:35:29.340 Didn't have the ability or time to bring it with.

00:35:32.880 I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find prints.

00:35:37.460 How the F will I explain losing it to my old man?

00:35:42.440 Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel.

00:35:47.900 Remember how I was engraving bullets?

00:35:50.040 The F in messages are mostly a big meme.

00:35:55.060 If I see Notice Bulge, UWU on Fox News, I might have a stroke all right.

00:36:02.680 I'm going to have to leave it. 1.00

00:36:04.700 That really F in sucks. 0.99

00:36:07.680 Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's gun does just fine. 1.00

00:36:11.720 IDK.

00:36:12.420 I think that was a $2K scope.

00:36:19.900 Wink, wink.

00:36:23.460 Robinson.

00:36:24.700 Robinson again.

00:36:25.960 Delete this exchange.

00:36:28.400 Again, Robinson.

00:36:29.600 My dad wants photos of the rifle.

00:36:31.640 He says Grandpa wants to know who has what.

00:36:35.320 The feds released a photo of the rifle and it is very unique.

00:36:39.220 He's calling me, RN, not answering.

00:36:43.400 Robinson.

00:36:44.800 Since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard MAGA.

00:36:50.920 Robinson.

00:36:52.200 I'm going to turn myself in willingly.

00:36:55.040 One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff.

00:36:59.400 Again, you are all I worry about, love.

00:37:02.100 That came from Robinson.

00:37:03.400 Roommate.

00:37:03.980 I'm much more worried about you, Robinson.

00:37:08.160 Don't talk to the media, please.

00:37:09.960 Don't take any interviews or make any comments.

00:37:13.880 If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer and stay silent.

00:37:20.500 The search for Robinson's residence.

00:37:22.940 Police executed a search warrant on Robinson's residence.

00:37:26.000 During that search, police discovered a shell casing with etchings like the etchings found on the shells in the rifle near UVU.

00:37:36.160 Police also found several target boards with bullet holes in Robinson's home.

00:37:41.820 Now, as I stated in the beginning when I read those allegations, these are allegations.

00:37:54.220 And like the evidence set forth in this statement, those allegations, what you've heard from the media, even from state and federal officials, has not been tested in the crucible of a jury trial.

00:38:08.200 I understand the public's desire to know the facts.

00:38:15.660 My own family members have pressed me for information.

00:38:21.560 Why are we reluctant to share the details of the investigation itself and comment on the case?

00:38:29.460 Because I want to ensure a fair and impartial trial.

00:38:33.640 I became a prosecutor because of my love for the ideals of this great country and the principles embedded in our Constitution.

00:38:44.540 The free exchange of ideas and opinions is critical to this great American experiment.

00:38:50.280 But so, too, are the protections afforded to the accused found in the Fifth and Sixth Amendments.

00:38:58.740 The right against self-incrimination.

00:39:02.500 The right to a speedy and public trial.

00:39:05.360 The right to the effective assistance of counsel.

00:39:08.060 The right to confront one's accusers.

00:39:10.640 And the right to compel the attendance of witnesses.

00:39:12.960 And perhaps most importantly, under our Constitution, the accused is presumed innocent until we, the state, prove to an impartial jury of defendants' peers his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:39:30.340 That jury cannot rely on our allegations, on what they hear in the news, or on what they hear from a public official.

00:39:40.860 The jury is the sole trier of fact.

00:39:45.640 And they will ultimately determine those facts based on evidence a trial judge has determined is admissible.

00:39:54.560 Again, as prosecutors, we bear the burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:40:01.320 But make no mistake, we welcome this burden.

00:40:05.580 I'd like to now introduce my trial team, who will be charged with prosecuting the case.

00:40:13.860 This is a veteran and expert team of some of the state's best trial attorneys.

00:40:20.200 Chad Grunander, who is one of my two chief deputies.

00:40:25.360 Ryan McBride, and David Sturgill, on the far right there.

00:40:33.160 And those two were very much involved in preparing search warrants, did a phenomenal job, worked day and night to see that accomplished well after he was, Robinson, was taken into custody.

00:40:50.220 Also, Lauren Hunt, she is one of our special victims prosecutors.

00:40:57.600 And Chris Ballard, my second chief deputy, who will be handling motions.

00:41:07.220 I'm going to explain just the procedural steps.

00:41:12.000 We're not a grand jury, we don't have a grand jury system like the federal courts do.

00:41:17.580 It's a preliminary hearing system.

00:41:20.580 So the arrest and filing of the criminal information are merely the first steps in the criminal justice process.

00:41:28.340 Today at 3 p.m., the defendant will appear before a judge in the Utah 4th District Court for his first appearance,

00:41:36.620 to be informed of these charges, and to ensure that he has an attorney to represent him.

00:41:42.520 The hearing will be brief.

00:41:44.020 The judge will conduct that first appearance virtually via Webex.

00:41:49.420 This is not unusual.

00:41:51.760 In the 4th District, all felony first appearances for defendants who are in custody are held virtually.

00:41:59.900 A link to that hearing is available for media on the Utah State Court's ex-account at Utah State Courts.

00:42:07.480 Now, following the defendant's first appearance, he will be entitled to a preliminary hearing.

00:42:16.020 At that hearing, the state will be required to show probable cause that defendant committed the crimes.

00:42:23.440 The purpose of the preliminary hearing is not to determine guilt,

00:42:27.260 but simply to assure the court that the prosecution has enough evidence to proceed to trial.

00:42:33.900 If a judge finds probable cause and binds the case over for trial, an arraignment hearing will be held.

00:42:41.640 At that hearing, a judge will again inform defendant of the charges against him and require him to enter a plea to each charge.

00:42:50.820 The next step following the arraignment is an opportunity for the parties to file any relevant motions, and then ultimately the trial itself.

00:43:01.660 This case has generated a tremendous amount of interest across our nation and even the world.

00:43:09.240 The public's desire for information is understandable, but it bears reiterating that this case will be tried in a court of law consistent with our Constitution, not the court of public opinion.

00:43:23.640 Thus, we will only discuss with the press, discuss the case with the press occasionally.

00:43:31.420 It will not be a day-to-day or even week-to-week occurrence, but we will only do so in a manner as not to jeopardize the fair trial process.

00:43:43.120 Before I conclude, I want to express my appreciation for the tireless work of our local, state, and federal law enforcement officers.

00:43:55.220 They have an extremely difficult, dangerous, and often thankless job.

00:44:01.260 I'm proud to acknowledge the exceptional work they do every day, and particularly their work on this case.

00:44:09.380 It was truly a marvel to witness.

00:44:13.120 Their skilled work and dedication have brought us to this point.

00:44:17.680 I'm also grateful for the leadership demonstrated by Bo Mason, the Commissioner of the Utah Department of Public Safety, FBI Special Agent in Charge Rob Bowles, Utah County Sheriff Mike Smith,

00:44:32.900 our local police chiefs, and Felice John Vitti, the acting U.S. Attorney for the District of Utah.

00:44:40.320 I'm also grateful for the support of our governor, Spencer Cox, and our Attorney General, Derek Brown, who is standing behind me today and has offered his support and resources as we proceed to trial.

00:44:55.800 Finally, I want to thank our Utah County commissioners, Amelia Powers Gardner, Brandon Gordon, and Schuyler Beltran.

00:45:04.320 They, too, have pledged to assist with the resources needed to successfully prosecute this case.

00:45:11.060 I will now take a few questions.

00:45:13.180 For questions, ladies and gentlemen, just really fast, if you could identify yourself and what are we going to say?

00:45:18.100 I'm from CBS News.

00:45:19.540 Did your investigation uncover any individuals that may have known about this shooting in advance?

00:45:25.280 They are still looking into it.

00:45:27.100 It's an undergoing investigation.

00:45:29.040 So is that a possibility?

00:45:31.400 They haven't ruled that out.

00:45:32.940 Sir, Ed Lavendero with CNN.

00:45:35.940 The text message, the exchange with the roommate, can you kind of give us a sense of did that happen over several hours?

00:45:43.620 Did that happen before?

00:45:44.860 I don't have that information.

00:45:46.860 Emily Anderson, solid for you.

00:45:48.740 I know, acknowledging that you made this decision to the death penalty independently,

00:45:52.420 did you hear at all from the Trump administration or Governor Cox's administration as you were working on the story?

00:45:57.760 I talked to officials from both administrations, but I was not pressured to make a decision.

00:46:05.820 I understood their feelings on it because it was in the news, but we didn't really discuss that.

00:46:11.780 Mr. Gray, do you have any indication that transgender issues played a role in the motivations for this shooting?

00:46:20.420 I'm going to stick to what I just stated in my public, in our information.

00:46:28.980 I think that is pretty much set forth there.

00:46:31.600 Mr. Gray, Ben Winslow, Fox 13 News, just asking, are you planning to file additional charges against anyone else in connection with this?

00:46:39.060 Again, we don't have any information at this point of additional suspects,

00:46:44.160 but I know that our law enforcement agencies are continuing to follow leads.

00:46:49.740 Mr. Gray, the FBI director today said that you are, quote,

00:46:52.420 or that other people, a number of people, are being investigated and interrogated.

00:46:57.120 So it seems that there are people who might be up for possible charges.

00:47:01.180 Yeah, I'm not, I'm not.

00:47:01.940 I think that the suspect was a lone wolf, or could this be part of a...

00:47:05.520 I can't comment on that.

00:47:07.120 I'm not aware of all their investigation.

00:47:09.620 I just know that these agencies are continuing to investigate this case and follow all leads.

00:47:16.060 And it's up to the BBC News.

00:47:18.660 We'd like to know, how does this possibly interface with any federal charges?

00:47:23.740 That's up to the feds.

00:47:25.940 They have different charges, and they're reviewing the evidence.

00:47:30.200 And after they review the evidence and the law, they could file charges,

00:47:34.760 but I'm not privy to exactly what they're looking at.

00:47:38.300 And it's up to the BBC.

00:47:40.060 You spoke a lot about text messages with the roommate.

00:47:42.460 The governor previously said the roommate is cooperating, but could we see charges against the roommate?

00:47:47.420 Again, I'm not prepared to answer that question.

00:47:51.480 Is it unusual to cite a political motivation as an aggravating circumstance?

00:47:57.300 It's part of our code, and so we charge that.

00:48:02.060 And, Mr. Greg, just to ask you at the KUTV, for those that aren't of a legal mind,

00:48:06.280 is this a confession, the text messages?

00:48:08.740 Is that legally a confession?

00:48:09.960 And is he cooperating since he's been taken into custody?

00:48:13.120 Ultimately, a judge will determine that at trial.

00:48:17.860 And cooperation?

00:48:18.980 Has he spoken at all?

00:48:20.100 Has he been cooperating since he's turned to me?

00:48:22.300 Again, I'm not going to comment on that.

00:48:24.260 Has he had any statements at all?

00:48:26.320 Mr. Greg, we're in Justin, NBC News.

00:48:28.220 Okay.

00:48:28.600 What more can you tell us about the suspect's time online that some say radicalized him?

00:48:34.000 I am not aware of that information.

00:48:36.400 It's, again, still under investigation.

00:48:38.320 And has he expressed any remorse so far about this attack?

00:48:41.900 I am not going to comment on that.

00:48:43.880 Is he continuing to not cooperate?

00:48:46.300 I am not going to comment on that.

00:48:47.960 Mr. Greg, the FBI director has been way out of front in terms of presenting evidence to the public.

00:48:53.380 Your team has been very circumspect, very measured in what they've laid out.

00:48:57.700 Is that a hemorrhage your investigation and your build-up, too?

00:49:00.600 Well, as attorneys, we typically like to control that information to preserve an impartial jury and a fair trial.

00:49:10.220 So, it hasn't been an investigation.

00:49:13.040 Is he a lawyer yet?

00:49:14.120 Excuse me?

00:49:14.820 Does Mrs. Sussman have a lawyer? 0.99

00:49:15.900 I don't have that information.

00:49:17.780 Can you tell us more about what the family may have said in interviews?

00:49:21.760 What the family said is what I provided.

00:49:26.220 Mr. Greg, do you anticipate that the defense will try to get this trial moved out of Utah County?

00:49:31.800 And how will you respond to that?

00:49:33.740 That from where?

00:49:35.080 From Utah County.

00:49:36.180 That the defense will be from Utah County?

00:49:38.400 That they will try to get the trial moved.

00:49:40.740 I couldn't predict what they're going to do.

00:49:44.920 Mr. Greg, are you confident that the roommate had no part of this attack whatsoever?

00:50:02.000 Again, I'm not going to comment on the evidence.

00:50:04.860 But the evidence so far, does it show any involvement?

00:50:07.320 Again, I'm not going to comment on other than the facts that I, or the evidence that we've gathered so far.

00:50:13.600 Mr. Greg, does the mention of the DNA here in the press conference jeopardize his right to a fair trial?

00:50:21.240 I don't believe so.

00:50:22.560 This is part of a public document that we have to file as we file a criminal information.

00:50:28.840 We have to file a probable cause statement.

00:50:31.040 That's a public document, and so we're comfortable with that.

00:50:35.440 Are his parents and the roommates still cooperating?

00:50:38.420 I'm not going to comment on that either.

00:50:40.260 The FBI has said that the suspect had a hatred occurred.

00:50:44.160 What else can you share about that?

00:50:46.600 I can't share any more than what I've already said.

00:50:49.380 This was an incredibly precise shot.

00:50:51.380 Do you have any evidence that he went places to practice or have to practice in minutes before the shooting that's giving him insight to how he prepared?

00:50:59.180 The evidence that I'm willing to share is what I just read in our statement, and it's in the information.

00:51:04.720 I'm afraid we're going to have to cut it off there.

00:51:06.200 I'm not going to comment on that.

00:51:14.460 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

00:51:15.540 All right, Jack Posobiec, we're back.

00:51:30.960 Live human events, daily, first reactions. 0.97

00:51:34.340 Death penalty. 0.99

00:51:37.720 Death penalty is being sought.

00:51:41.560 It's obviously appropriate here because of the heinousness of this act, and you heard that from the prosecutor.

00:51:50.000 I love this prosecutor, by the way.

00:51:51.740 I thought this guy was incredible.

00:51:53.600 I'm also joined now in studio by Blake Neff, who's not only an expert on all of this, but, Blake, you were about 10 feet away when all of this happened.

00:52:06.660 Blake, do you believe that the death penalty is appropriate in this case?

00:52:12.020 I really do.

00:52:14.700 Charlie and I would discuss that issue, what it would be merited for, if it was merited for anything.

00:52:19.940 But what I think is especially important is this is, you know, we always heard that line from people, like, this is an attack on our democracy.

00:52:31.880 And they would use that to describe any number of things.

00:52:35.260 But if you want to be real, like, the realest possible attack on our democracy or whatever, our republic, you want to have is actual, like, civil violence.

00:52:45.420 Like, violence for political ends in public like that.

00:52:51.060 And you have a person who, because Charlie Kirk advocated a worldview, a way of life, a set of policies, whatever you want, that he went out and he advocated for something that he disagreed with.

00:53:02.940 So he took a rifle.

00:53:04.320 He went up on a building. 0.94

00:53:05.300 He scoped out what he wanted to do, how to do it, waited for Charlie to show up there, and he shot him dead. 0.82

00:53:09.920 And something like that is a cancer that needs to be ripped out of the body politic.

00:53:19.640 Because it's not a homicide you mildly...

00:53:22.320 Well, that's what I was going to ask.

00:53:23.620 So can you, so how do you differentiate?

00:53:25.880 Because obviously we have homicide statutes, but this is quite literally something very different.

00:53:32.560 Because, you know, I saw, of course, people were saying, oh, it's, you know, he was just some 31-year-old podcaster, you know, we don't stop the whole world for when somebody dies.

00:53:41.780 But it is different, isn't it?

00:53:43.280 It's also, like, it's an act of actual terrorism.

00:53:47.120 Yes.

00:53:47.400 It is an act of terrorism. 0.99

00:53:48.340 It is that this person went out, said something we disagreed with, advocated for something we disagreed with, so we will kill him to send the message that you could be killed, too, if you do the same thing. 0.99

00:53:58.360 Which is an act of terror. 0.98

00:53:59.860 Which, by the way, Destiny said to me,

00:54:02.560 Yeah, the original terrorism was that.

00:54:04.900 Or at least he said on his show yesterday, before he came on.

00:54:07.660 Is killing these people to instill terror in our enemies. 0.95

00:54:12.740 And that is, again, it is a cancer that you must amputate from society.

00:54:19.280 And the only way you do that is you go and you don't merely shunt this person off to a prison where they can get visitors, where they can write letters, where they can radicalize others.

00:54:28.380 Yeah, where they can radicalize others, where they can become some sort of icon.

00:54:30.800 No, you have to say it is unacceptable that this person remain alive within our body politic.

00:54:36.980 And specifically, I heard the prosecutor again and again mention the fact that not only were children present, but that the killer knew that children would be present.

00:54:50.720 And because they had to witness it themselves, that that is in itself an aggravating factor, which warrants the death penalty.

00:55:01.420 Yeah, I like that.

00:55:03.200 I like that they're clearly taking this seriously.

00:55:05.360 I really like this.

00:55:05.960 I really like what he did here.

00:55:07.700 There's so many opportunities to fly off half-cocked.

00:55:10.800 You're not, you know, they come up with an idea that sounds really cool.

00:55:15.000 They clearly had an entire team.

00:55:16.060 But they were like, no, look at this statute.

00:55:19.260 We were hearing about this, you know, and I was, we were talking to them with concern, like, okay, are we also making sure we investigate others who might have known about this?

00:55:27.080 And a line we were hearing was, they're making sure they can charge this guy.

00:55:30.860 And I thought that was the kind of, I'm rolling my eyes at that a little bit.

00:55:34.860 But we also come to understand that here.

00:55:37.040 They were making sure we're not going to just charge this person with murder.

00:55:40.660 We are going to make sure we have multiple avenues for aggravated murder.

00:55:44.680 So we're hearing it over and over again.

00:55:46.460 This was done at a public event.

00:55:48.240 There were children present at it.

00:55:50.060 There were people near Charlie when he was shot.

00:55:52.480 So they're trying to.

00:55:53.120 You're yourself included, Blair.

00:55:53.700 Yes, indeed.

00:55:54.840 Indeed, they're trying to include all these different ways that if you look at the Utah statute for aggravated murder, it includes risk of killing other people besides the victim and the attacker.

00:56:07.040 Correct.

00:56:07.560 Which, by the way, that's why he had the other rounds.

00:56:10.360 Children being present, involved, target in any way.

00:56:12.480 You know, law enforcement involvement.

00:56:14.060 There's all these different factors.

00:56:15.380 And they were repeatedly hitting, like, three or four of them.

00:56:18.920 They were also throwing in all of the obstruction stuff.

00:56:21.420 And I think all those additional charges besides the murder are going to be important because that's how you'll get additional potential accomplices.

00:56:30.560 Like, you know, maybe you didn't collaborate in the murder itself, but you collaborated in covering up the murder.

00:56:36.420 You knew about this conspiracy.

00:56:38.100 You did not report it to the police.

00:56:40.900 That's all going to be important.

00:56:42.260 That in itself, knowing about a crime and not reporting it is a gray area, to be clear.

00:56:50.120 And so culpability is a very, you know, very specific legal question.

00:56:55.920 And so I'm just saying I don't want to say anything about anyone who's involved in this until we know for sure.

00:57:02.160 That's all I'm saying.

00:57:02.620 And so that has to be very carefully investigated.

00:57:07.680 We are coming up on a break here.

00:57:09.920 So I'm just going to say that.

00:57:11.960 And we are going to extend.

00:57:13.060 And I want to say thank you to Real America's Voice for allowing us to do this because we have to respond to what happened here to the man who sits in this chair.

00:57:23.560 And the charges that have now been brought in his killing and this is right. 0.98

00:57:34.680 This killer deserves the death penalty. 0.97

00:57:37.740 And I'm going to say something else to no plea deals, no plea deals. 0.99

00:57:42.540 I don't want to see anyone from the governor's office, the attorney general, whoever it is coming in and saying, you know what?

00:57:50.020 Maybe do a plea deal.

00:57:51.100 We take it off the table.

00:57:51.900 No, no, you take this to trial.

00:57:54.520 You put this in front of a jury.

00:57:57.300 And justice will be done.

00:57:59.280 Simple as that.

00:58:00.040 There is no off ramp here because you know what?

00:58:02.300 You know who didn't get an off ramp?

00:58:03.940 Charlie Kirk.

00:58:05.060 Charlie Kirk didn't get an option to have an off ramp.

00:58:08.920 Charlie Kirk didn't get a question.

00:58:11.980 Charlie Kirk didn't get to go up and plead his case.

00:58:15.500 No, he got none of that.

00:58:18.760 So we're not going to provide that to this killer.

00:58:21.900 Put him on trial.

00:58:22.820 Look at his day in court.

00:58:23.860 And then we'll see what happens.

00:58:24.940 You know what?

00:58:26.200 Dr.

00:58:26.660 Thank you.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - September 16, 2025

Breaking： Utah Prosecutors Announce Charges Against Charlie Kirk Assassin

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