Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Bunker Busting The NeoCons： Everyday Americans Want Nothing To Do With Another Forever War In The Middle East

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00:01:50.660 The Israel Defense Forces did release this still image here a short time ago that does say that

00:01:57.740 fighter jets struck several Iranian missile systems and radar installations in the areas

00:02:03.780 of Tehran and over in Isfahan.

00:02:07.200 They also hit several industrial sites used to manufacture missiles in the Tehran area.

00:02:12.420 And those served as a key industrial center for the Iranian Ministry of Defense.

00:02:18.700 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition, Human Events Daily.

00:02:22.680 We are here live in Washington, D.C.

00:02:26.040 Today is June 20th, 2025.

00:02:28.740 Anno Domini.

00:02:29.880 Folks, the neocons are in panic mode.

00:02:34.800 Absolute panic mode.

00:02:36.040 Breaking out across all of Washington, D.C.

00:02:39.760 As the warmongers, the CENTCOM, blob, toadies, and all the rest are hearing, and the reality

00:02:48.800 is settling in, that they may not be getting the big war that they wanted.

00:02:54.240 They may not be getting the big war that they were hoping would fill their coffers.

00:02:58.480 Because the minute they saw those arrows go up on those maps, the minute they saw jets

00:03:03.200 and fighters streaking across the Middle East, they said they could hear the sound of the

00:03:07.340 cash registers, ka-ching, ka-ching.

00:03:09.800 And the warmongers heard all of it.

00:03:12.360 And now, we're going to get into this today.

00:03:15.060 We warned that this is becoming a war of air attrition.

00:03:19.760 Because you can't escape the math, ladies and gentlemen, you can't escape the math.

00:03:25.160 The Iron Dome was not designed for sustained, high-intensity military conflict.

00:03:32.300 It was designed for small-scale attacks from Hamas.

00:03:37.720 And so, with what Iran is doing, requires a lot of money and a lot of ammunition in terms 0.99

00:03:45.960 of these interceptor missiles that, unfortunately, Israel is running out of.

00:03:49.680 And also, by the way, America, with its THAAD interceptors, also doesn't have an infinite

00:03:56.400 supply of.

00:03:57.780 And so, what are we seeing now?

00:03:59.440 We are seeing attacks from Iran landing in Israel.

00:04:05.340 We're playing some of the B-roll of it now.

00:04:06.940 Where, as this war continues, and it is a war, we're not mincing words, as this war continues,

00:04:13.280 the ability of the Iron Dome to intercept everything that's thrown at them gets lower and lower.

00:04:23.360 And look, folks, I've been to Israel multiple times.

00:04:25.880 I've never been, I've never tried to hide that or anything.

00:04:28.320 I don't want to see this.

00:04:29.540 I don't want to see this at all.

00:04:31.440 And that's why I put my faith and my trust in President Trump.

00:04:36.460 That President Trump is going to see the way to end this thing.

00:04:40.420 We're going to get into as well with Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer and later former Trump

00:04:44.620 official Caroline Sunshine, who's coming on today, about real questions as to whether

00:04:49.280 or not this bunker buster strike is enough to be able to take out the Fordow nuclear enrichment

00:04:56.260 facility, this uranium enrichment.

00:04:58.420 Because, in fact, it might take multiple stripes.

00:05:00.860 And even then, they don't know if the GBU-57 will be able to take out the facility and the

00:05:08.960 enriched uranium.

00:05:09.600 It might be that all this strike does is start another Middle East war and a quagmire for America

00:05:17.600 and American troops to get sucked in.

00:05:19.960 We'll be right back.

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00:07:09.540 Folks, I want to bring on now Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer.

00:07:13.080 By the way, Tony, it was really nice to see you there at the Army Birthday Parade.

00:07:17.680 I hope you come to the Navy one in October, too, man.

00:07:21.260 Yeah, look, Carl, I hate to say we're competitors in this area, but we are, because I had to host

00:07:27.780 the live coverage of another network to say.

00:07:29.940 But, hey, we all get along behind the scenes, right?

00:07:32.180 It's great.

00:07:33.760 No, it was a great parade.

00:07:35.220 I had a great time.

00:07:36.300 Kids had a great time.

00:07:37.240 Lieutenant Colonel Schaefer, you know, here we are embarking on yet another proxy war.

00:07:42.760 We're on the cusp of one.

00:07:44.100 Haven't finished the previous proxy war against Russia, and yet we hear the same cheerleaders

00:07:49.420 and same voices for yet another proxy war on this.

00:07:52.760 Now, I want to drill down here because I think we've seen the signals now from the White House

00:07:58.680 that President Trump isn't interested in this regime change war, but he is solely focused

00:08:03.500 on ending the Iranian nuclear program.

00:08:06.460 And the biggest thing, and it's not really a covert operation at this point, is this question about a strike on the Fordow uranium enrichment site, which is deep within these mountains south of Tehran.

00:08:21.020 And the media tells me, everywhere I look in the media, left-wing media, right-wing media, it seems, oh, it's just one bunker buster is all it's going to take.

00:08:27.100 Just use that bunker buster. 0.72

00:08:28.480 You'll take it out.

00:08:29.280 It'll be perfect.

00:08:30.260 It'll be the greatest strike in the history of strikes.

00:08:33.640 And I'm looking at this, thinking of it as an intel officer said, wait a minute, I've put together strike packages and talked to the targeteers.

00:08:42.320 I've never heard of anyone say that there's a perfect strike before.

00:08:46.860 Lieutenant Carl Schaefer, is this true that this, you know, you can just press one button and get rid of Iran's uranium enrichment site? 0.58

00:08:54.600 Or potentially, is there some magical thinking going on here?

00:08:58.800 Well, it's magical thinking, Jack.

00:09:00.260 I mean, you and I both, you did targeting packages.

00:09:03.100 I had inputs to targeting packages.

00:09:05.240 I've been on, I've been a planner, military planner, where we have to look at the range of things regarding a campaign,

00:09:11.300 everything from kinetic strikes to special operations force options.

00:09:16.160 And this is the deal regarding Fordow.

00:09:19.820 You would have to have a strike package of 10 B-2 spirit bombers coming in, one after the other, 0.72

00:09:28.020 within about three minutes, dropping the ordnance.

00:09:31.760 So these are penetrators.

00:09:33.080 But Jack, to get to the level we're talking, you're going to have to have 10, count them, 10 of those penetrators get deep enough to have an effect.

00:09:41.720 That's how deep this thing is.

00:09:43.400 So, and then, oh, by the way, what happens if we have to go in and verify we did the job we said we did?

00:09:50.880 Oh, by the way, what happens to the radiation that comes spewing out once you penetrate the facility?

00:09:57.320 So, General Tony Zinni, the commander of Central Command, one of my friends and mentors, told me that Bill Clinton, this is back in the 90s,

00:10:05.660 Bill Clinton would ask him, hey, General Zinni, can you do X?

00:10:09.020 Can you defeat X?

00:10:10.520 And Zinni would say, yeah, I can do that.

00:10:12.760 But then what?

00:10:13.520 Well, so I think, Jack, as much as we can talk about ordnance, we can talk about effects, nobody can actually define what our end state is or what would happen if we do this.

00:10:25.300 The then what seems to be the piece that everybody is missing, and I think President Trump has got it.

00:10:30.640 That's why he's taken a deep breath and thinking about this before we act.

00:10:34.280 Well, look, and you've got MIT professors that are coming out now, and I've seen some of the BDA, battle damage assessments, these bunker busters, and I hear them, and they'll go up.

00:10:46.020 These cheerleaders, these neocons will say, well, you just fly one plane over, and you drop one bomb, and then the next plane flies over, and it's going to drop another bomb, and it'll go in the same hole, and that bomb will be able to get deeper behind the first one. 0.69

00:10:59.120 And I said, what? What did you just say?

00:11:02.080 I mean, the GBU, it's not precision-guided munition, all right?

00:11:06.160 It has some guidance, but these things are bombs.

00:11:09.300 They are not missiles.

00:11:10.840 They are not designed for that sort of thing.

00:11:12.640 Plus, by the way, this Forto site, and we've been going through some of the information on it, that it does have the ability for blast deflection.

00:11:23.460 Tony, walk us through the theory of blast deflection.

00:11:27.020 It's this, obviously, most famously used on tanks, but they use the exact same type of theory here on this bunker.

00:11:34.700 So, basically, 90-degree angles defeat this, and sloped armor is the same thing.

00:11:40.380 You have an angle where something hits, it goes off.

00:11:43.260 So, within the context of deep underground, you have things that will defer a blast up, defer a blast down, or a curve of blast, because once you hit it, that blast has to go somewhere.

00:11:54.340 So, what I do know for a fact is that over the past 30 years, the Iranians have watched what we've done from the first Gulf War until now regarding our orbit.

00:12:06.480 So, they have planned, Jack, with an understanding of what we can do.

00:12:11.140 They watched the first Gulf War, the second Gulf War.

00:12:13.900 They watched us take out Saddam Hussein and others' hardened facilities.

00:12:18.400 They have a general understanding of what we can do.

00:12:21.340 Jack, they designed this facility around the known capabilities.

00:12:25.460 So, again, the penetrators, they are a good weapon to go after a certain amount of depth.

00:12:30.460 But once you get to that depth, they have now planned to have certain defuse.

00:12:34.680 That's why I'm saying this one or two bombs, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:12:38.560 You're going to have at least 10 to have some effect.

00:12:43.180 And even with 10, I'm skeptical because of the very thing we're talking about, deflection technology, the design.

00:12:49.860 You can design these things so that when you're that deep, that blast will go different directions away from the facility.

00:12:56.680 And then, again, say we're successful.

00:12:59.660 What happens to the radiation?

00:13:01.280 What happens to the uranium we're trying to get at?

00:13:03.600 There are other better options that I can't get into necessarily here right now that we would be able to use against a deep underground facility.

00:13:12.720 What does not require this level of destruction or potential outcome where you have radiation leaking into the world.

00:13:20.600 But that's not being talked about right now.

00:13:24.120 No, it's not.

00:13:25.200 And ultimately, the only way to really be able to verify this, plus, by the way, you know, just basic common sense is would it be possible for the Iranians to move this uranium within the two-week period or potentially have moved it even prior to this?

00:13:43.640 This obviously creates a significant amount of challenges that you're not really going to be.

00:13:48.900 And then, by the way, Tony, we've got about a minute till the break here.

00:13:51.380 But this is what you and I always talk about is this is why you can't sacrifice human intelligence.

00:13:58.580 This is why you need human intelligence.

00:14:01.260 This is why you need people on the ground to be able to know this type of intel before you commit to military operations.

00:14:07.640 You're not going to get it with SIGINT, and you're definitely not going to get it with just a satellite.

00:14:13.020 You need to have people that are actually in there know what's on the ground.

00:14:17.000 So whether that's Israeli, whether that's American, the questions surrounding this thing, I think, are a lot deeper, you know, pun intended, than most of the media is letting on.

00:14:27.040 Oh, yeah.

00:14:28.080 Oh, to that point, Jack, I've worked other operations against other nuclear nations where we've had inside information.

00:14:35.080 And that information helped us make, I would argue, very effective decisions regarding a nuclear program.

00:14:42.140 But, Jack, we had to have people on the inside of it.

00:14:45.700 That is hard to do if you keep blowing up scientists.

00:14:48.400 Just saying.

00:14:53.140 That's an interesting question, Tony.

00:14:55.380 You know, is it possible that scientists could be turned and used as assets for a human intelligence program?

00:15:02.640 I can't imagine anyone in the world who would think of doing such a thing as that.

00:15:08.940 Human Events Daily will be right back here on Real America's Voice.

00:15:19.920 Today, you know, they talk about influencers.

00:15:22.560 These are influencers.

00:15:23.520 And they're friends of mine, Jack Kosovic.

00:15:28.300 Where's Jack?

00:15:29.260 Jack.

00:15:30.300 He's done a great job.

00:15:31.980 All right, folks.

00:15:35.820 Jack Kosovic.

00:15:36.340 We are back here.

00:15:37.140 Human Events Daily.

00:15:38.160 Real America's Voice.

00:15:40.180 Washington, D.C.

00:15:41.080 We're on with Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer.

00:15:43.080 We're talking Intel.

00:15:44.160 We're talking Bunker Busters.

00:15:45.460 We're talking Slanted Armor.

00:15:46.740 We're talking about the magical thinking that's going on on cable news and particularly corporate media telling us that, hold on.

00:15:57.400 No, we can just we could just have this march to war and we can blow up this nuclear site and everything is going to be hunky dory.

00:16:03.640 It's going to go great, by the way.

00:16:05.220 We'll be greeted as liberators once we get some boots on the ground.

00:16:08.740 And you've heard Lindsey Graham and James Lankford and Tom Tillis are out there calling for regime change and said they want to go further.

00:16:15.140 But then they're also telling us that America needs to get involved when I thought, I'm sorry, I was told America didn't need to get involved last week.

00:16:21.080 We take care of this on our own.

00:16:23.220 So so when it comes down to it, Tony.

00:16:26.160 Look, you you served.

00:16:27.640 You've been there.

00:16:28.220 Does it make sense for this rush to war right now with the high pressure sales tactics and the upselling of regime change to President Trump without any national debate whatsoever or even any general understanding of the facts on the ground before we rush into one of these things?

00:16:48.740 No, the the optimism and thinking of the neocons and that's both left and right.

00:16:55.280 I mean, they're in both parts is insane.

00:16:57.820 Remember, going back to the Civil War, the Battle of Manassas.

00:17:02.960 Oh, everything will be done by next month.

00:17:07.360 You know, next thing you know, 1861 turns into 1864.

00:17:11.380 Same with World War One.

00:17:13.120 World War Two was the only war I know of where everything was compact.

00:17:16.640 We actually knew what we were doing.

00:17:18.200 We set up a number of objectives and got it done.

00:17:20.880 Every other war has been protracted and without a clear end in sight.

00:17:25.720 Korea is still going on to this day. 0.95

00:17:27.620 We have the demilitarized zone and armistice.

00:17:30.080 Vietnam went on forever.

00:17:31.380 Afghanistan went on forever. 1.00

00:17:33.380 Jack, we heard the same thing in 2003 regarding Saddam Hussein.

00:17:37.060 We'll be welcome with liberators.

00:17:39.360 We will be women and children be throwing flowers at our feet.

00:17:43.440 How long?

00:17:44.180 We're still not resolved with that.

00:17:45.360 So anytime I hear optimism for those who have never served, and I'm sorry, Lindsey Graham is not really served.

00:17:51.920 He was a JAG, a lawyer in uniform.

00:17:55.340 I don't think his service is worth the paper it is regarding his being an Air Force guy.

00:18:00.620 I think anytime you put politicians in charge of strategic thinking, you get a completely inappropriate and unrealistic perspective on what could become if we use military force.

00:18:17.080 And Tony, these people, they never even heard about order of battle.

00:18:21.340 They don't even know what a basic order of battle analysis is.

00:18:24.960 And so when I'm sitting there saying order of battle or asking basic questions about what this fight is going to look like, people are going to say, oh, why are you talking about that episode before?

00:18:32.960 Because that's how you have the fight, okay?

00:18:35.600 What kind of interceptor missiles do you have?

00:18:37.700 How many interceptor missiles do you have?

00:18:39.760 By the way, we've got a box out of the lower corner, President Trump about to be, about to leave from the White House, about to depart.

00:18:46.460 And now, of course, even the media is starting to admit, they say, wait a minute, Israel doesn't have infinite missiles.

00:18:54.100 Oh, wait, and America doesn't have infinite missiles as well.

00:18:57.760 President Trump now is departing.

00:18:59.760 We can see him boarding Air Force One right there on screen.

00:19:06.420 So look, Tony, President Trump, he's got a lot on his shoulders right now, and he's got big shoulders, and he can handle it.

00:19:11.680 And I think that these are some of the conversations and questions that he's asking himself.

00:19:16.400 We need to let him do his job.

00:19:18.800 I see people who you and I know and admire saying, oh, my God, he's broken his promise.

00:19:25.900 He's not broken his promise yet.

00:19:27.660 He's doing his job.

00:19:28.620 We have yet to use military force against Iran.

00:19:33.080 People may be uncomfortable with how close we are to using it, which I am too.

00:19:37.180 But, Jack, I'll end by saying we need to have leaders who always begin with the end in mind.

00:19:44.340 What are you trying to achieve?

00:19:46.380 And do we have the adequate resources and political will to do it?

00:19:49.840 Because too often we get in the middle of things, Afghanistan, Iraq, with no clear understanding of what we're trying to achieve.

00:19:57.440 We throw people in there.

00:20:00.320 They give up blood and treasure in their lives for purposes that are completely obtuse and unclear.

00:20:07.400 So if we do this, we have to have the debate, like you mentioned, and an understanding that we're going to lose men and women in combat.

00:20:14.680 But we have to have an appropriate and effective and achievable end goal that's worth sacrificing for.

00:20:22.280 So I think President Trump understands.

00:20:25.740 Well, I think we understand that as well, that when it comes to these issues, the issues of war and peace, the understanding.

00:20:32.020 And, of course, nobody wants a nuclear war.

00:20:35.180 No one.

00:20:35.800 Absolutely not.

00:20:36.660 And so the goal here, of course, has always been how to best secure the American people.

00:20:43.920 Tony, where can people go to follow you for all the breaking updates on this and everything you're putting out?

00:20:48.940 So always check me on X, eSpooky, and then ProjectSentinel.com.

00:20:53.760 Jack, always enjoy our conversation.

00:20:55.640 Thanks for having me.

00:20:57.480 Thanks so much.

00:20:58.600 Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer, folks.

00:21:00.920 This operation, like any military operation, a bit more complicated than anyone thinks.

00:21:09.020 We need to stop the magical thinking and actually talk to the experts who have been there in the field.

00:21:16.440 Be right back.

00:21:22.900 Hey, Jack, where is Jack?

00:21:25.900 Where is Jack?

00:21:28.200 Where is he?

00:21:29.180 Jack, I want to see you.

00:21:33.260 Great job, Jack.

00:21:34.680 Thank you.

00:21:35.460 What a job you do.

00:21:36.880 You know, we have an incredible thing.

00:21:38.280 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting Pulisic.

00:21:46.560 All right, folks, Jack, back live.

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00:22:54.600 Very excited to welcome back on the program the former Deputy Director of Communications for the Trump Campaign 2024.

00:23:04.080 Last year we had her on the program so many times.

00:23:07.380 She joins us yet again.

00:23:08.620 It's Caroline Sunshine.

00:23:09.580 Caroline, how are you?

00:23:11.940 Jack, how are you?

00:23:13.060 I'm great.

00:23:13.680 I'm just, you know, I'm trying to enjoy my summer and make sure that the U.S. doesn't get involved in another prolonged war in the Middle East.

00:23:21.360 Make sure we can get all those illegal immigrants out of our country. 1.00

00:23:23.740 But other than that, I'm great.

00:23:24.620 How are you?

00:23:30.460 All right, guys, I'm having a little issue with Caroline's audio.

00:23:34.380 For some reason, I can't hear her, even though we were definitely just checking this out two seconds ago and I could hear her.

00:23:43.120 But Caroline was on and I saw her giving an interview yesterday and just a phenomenal job.

00:23:49.520 Oh, you guys are telling me it's up now?

00:23:51.340 Sorry about that.

00:23:51.920 Caroline, are you there?

00:23:54.040 Hey, are you still there?

00:23:56.100 Hey, there it is.

00:23:57.140 Now it's perfect.

00:23:58.180 The technology overlords have smiled upon us for once.

00:24:01.600 You gave an incredible interview yesterday speaking out about some of this and what I'm dubbing magical thinking.

00:24:10.180 I think there's this magical thinking that's going on in Washington, D.C., in corporate news and in a lot of places right now regarding the Israel-Iran conflict.

00:24:20.980 And look, you know, people know on this show we have a lot of care for the Holy Land.

00:24:26.040 And we're generally very anti-war when it comes down to it.

00:24:29.680 We don't like war.

00:24:30.680 We know these things spiral out of control.

00:24:33.120 And yet there are people who are just straight up attacking you or, you know, not you personally, but attacking me and others, Steve Bannon, Charlie Kirk, others, for simply raising a few skeptical points regarding this thing.

00:24:47.100 And I just thought it was incredible that you, with the platform that you have, were willing to also voice some of the concerns and really from the perspective of veterans and units that had lost members and lost brothers and lost family members in the wars that we just finished fighting in the Middle East.

00:25:06.540 Well, thank you.

00:25:08.540 Well, thank you.

00:25:09.780 And all I was trying to do was speak up the way that the American people spoke up in this last election.

00:25:16.520 You know, 60% of Americans don't want to see more U.S. military involvement in the Middle East.

00:25:24.480 That poll just came out yesterday.

00:25:26.760 And unfortunately, 60% of voices in media aren't reflecting that.

00:25:33.800 And, you know, I'm looking at people like Mark Levin, and if Mark Levin is loud doesn't mean that he's right.

00:25:42.160 Actually, you know what?

00:25:42.920 I would love to debate Mark Levin.

00:25:45.140 I would love to debate him.

00:25:47.000 Mark, if anybody is watching, Mark, I would love to debate you.

00:25:51.240 Jack, maybe you can host us on your show.

00:25:54.180 We could do it on Mark's show, anytime, anyplace, anywhere.

00:25:58.560 But just because Mark is being—and I mean it.

00:26:01.320 I mean it.

00:26:02.020 When it comes to something as serious as the U.S. getting involved again in the Middle East, we should have that debate.

00:26:08.300 And just because somebody is loud doesn't mean that they're right.

00:26:12.040 I don't know much about Mark Levin.

00:26:13.460 I know that he has said that he wouldn't vote for President Trump. 0.97

00:26:16.020 I know that he said that, direct quote, I'm not accountable for anything, any of the dumb things President Trump and his supporters say.

00:26:24.740 I know that Mark Levin is out there calling millions of Americans unpatriotic for not wanting to get involved in the Middle East again.

00:26:35.060 So he's calling 60% of Americans unpatriotic.

00:26:39.040 I think that's really dangerous rhetoric.

00:26:41.340 I think that is the same rhetoric that was used during the Iraq War to try and manipulate the American public into buying the lie that Iraq had WMDs.

00:26:54.200 You were told that, you know, unless you buy the lie that Iraq has WMDs, you're not patriotic.

00:27:00.140 You know, the Dixie Chicks were canceled for that, for speaking out against President Bush because they didn't want to go to war.

00:27:05.360 They were canceled by the right, by the way.

00:27:07.420 I don't think millions of Americans are unpatriotic for not wanting to go to war in the Middle East again.

00:27:13.920 And it's leftist rhetoric that he's using, too.

00:27:16.100 Like, that is the same tactic that the left uses, you know?

00:27:19.920 If you don't want millions of unvetted illegal immigrants pouring into your country, you're unpatriotic. 1.00

00:27:26.920 Because America is a nation of immigrants, and we're supposed to welcome the cold, the tired, the poor, the huddled masses. 1.00

00:27:32.960 And if you don't like that, if you don't like illegal immigrants coming into your country, you're unpatriotic. 0.97

00:27:37.720 So I just, I don't agree with calling millions of Americans, 60% of Americans, unpatriotic for not wanting that.

00:27:44.260 I don't think Mark Levin speaks for Americans under 30.

00:27:49.920 I mean, President Trump always talks about how proud he is that he won the youth vote by 30 points, that he won young men overwhelmingly.

00:27:59.440 And it's not, if the American military is to get involved again in the Middle East, God forbid, it's not going to be Mark Levin that gets sent to the front lines.

00:28:11.940 I mean, if we were to drop Mark Levin in Iran, that would be quite the bunker buster, because he's a large guy.

00:28:18.580 But it wouldn't be Mark Levin being sent to the front lines of Iran.

00:28:22.600 It would be young men under 30.

00:28:25.720 And I don't feel like the voices and media are painting an accurate picture of what war would look like.

00:28:35.260 We're not having that conversation.

00:28:37.160 We didn't have that conversation leading up to the Iraq War.

00:28:39.920 We're not having that conversation now.

00:28:41.460 But something I would point out is, back in 2003, during the Iraq War, women couldn't serve in combat.

00:28:48.960 They can now.

00:28:50.500 And I don't think the American public is ready to see images of women that look like me being blown up by IEDs.

00:29:00.700 And, you know, I don't think that's a good thing for President Trump's legacy either.

00:29:05.320 President Trump has done so much to make sure that men can't participate in women's sports.

00:29:08.880 Why are we now going to go burn all of that by letting women get blown up in combat in the Middle East? 1.00

00:29:16.080 That's not something that I stand for.

00:29:18.920 That's not something that I think would be good for his legacy.

00:29:21.020 I was really grateful that the president said he's going to pursue this two-week time period.

00:29:28.020 And what I'm concerned about is voices in the American media trying to undermine the president's decision to pursue peace and to pursue negotiation over the course of these two weeks or sooner.

00:29:40.700 But my offer stands.

00:29:42.000 Mark Levin, Katie Pavlich, any of these voices, happy to debate anytime, anywhere.

00:29:46.860 If you want to do two-on-one, happy to do it.

00:29:49.240 But it's an important debate, and we should have it.

00:29:53.280 Well, Caroline, I mean, I've seen the same tenor of their comments out there, and I've seen the way that they're talking.

00:30:00.660 As if you are some kind of traitor to the United States for raising basic questions.

00:30:05.820 Or, you know, me, I put on my military officer hat, and I say, well, okay, well, how many missiles do you have?

00:30:11.520 And how many interceptors, how does the Iron Dome actually work, and can they sustain something like this?

00:30:17.180 These bunker busters, you get this magical thinking that I can always say, oh, it's, you know, it's a go one hit, and it's going to be done.

00:30:23.240 They're not going to have nukes anymore.

00:30:24.420 I say, really?

00:30:25.300 Are you sure about that?

00:30:26.260 Have you ever put together a targeting package?

00:30:28.220 Have you ever run strikes like this?

00:30:29.880 Have you ever participated in one of these operations?

00:30:32.060 Because guess what?

00:30:33.080 That's exactly what amateurs say.

00:30:36.160 People have never actually looked at one of these problem sets or done anything like this before.

00:30:40.140 Because you never know what the strike is going to look like until afterwards, especially a massive and completely novel strike like the one you're talking about here.

00:30:49.740 And they say, oh, we're going to have one bunker buster, and then the second one's going to come in, and it's going to dig, it's going to burrow down deeper after the first bunker buster.

00:30:58.320 I'm like, what do you, guys, like, this is, this is, this is like, like, Star Wars, and it's Luke Skywalker, and, you know, Obi-Wan Kenobi, turn off your targeting.

00:31:06.420 He's going up against the Death Star with the heat vest.

00:31:08.340 He said, guys, you're watching a little bit too much Marvel.

00:31:11.040 Like, can we just, can we have a serious conversation about military matters here?

00:31:15.440 And maybe we talk to some people who have been in the military and actually look at this.

00:31:19.220 And by the way, that's nothing against the training.

00:31:21.520 That's nothing against the patriotism and the grit and valor of the soldiery and the airmen and pilots.

00:31:28.520 It's just reality.

00:31:29.780 Okay, we're just talking about reality.

00:31:30.840 We're talking about math.

00:31:31.560 We're talking about physics, and the physics aren't necessarily on our side.

00:31:35.900 And a lot of the people that have been looking at this problem set, particularly with this 4-0 facility, say, wait a minute.

00:31:40.380 The physics on hitting this thing are going to be extremely hard.

00:31:43.260 It's very complicated.

00:31:44.560 It's going to take potentially, and Lieutenant Colonel Schaefer was just on here saying, you might need 10 runs on this thing.

00:31:51.120 So 10 B-2 bombers, or, you know, 5 if you use in tandem with the dual drop bays, to be able to knock this thing out.

00:31:58.420 And that's 10, you know, 5 to 10 hits.

00:32:01.060 Who knows what could happen, right?

00:32:02.620 And it just comes down to that.

00:32:03.860 Who knows?

00:32:04.840 Are Americans, I'm just going to say it, are Americans prepared, even in this limited strike, prepared to see what would happen if Iran were able to shoot down a B-2 bomber?

00:32:14.820 And that, the amount of video that you would see on some of that, or God forbid, a malfunction, or something like that.

00:32:20.540 And I'm not saying it's likely.

00:32:21.680 I'm just saying you have to consider these things when you're conducting military planning for an operation over Indian country, or an operation over hostile territory like that.

00:32:33.840 All of these things need, when we were, I served in, I was stationed in Guam a couple of times.

00:32:41.000 And when they ran the invasions into Guam, they were people who didn't track the depth of the mud and the depth of the water.

00:32:50.200 And there were times that during the invasion of Guam, that Marines would be jumping out.

00:32:53.520 And these kids, 18, 19 years old, would be jumping out, fully loaded up, fully kitted down with packages and grenades and weapons and ammo.

00:33:00.640 And they were so heavy that they sank right into the sand.

00:33:03.960 They sank right in the sand and they couldn't get out.

00:33:06.340 Right?

00:33:06.520 We saw this, you saw it in D-Day as well.

00:33:08.540 And I'm sorry, but before we get into any of those conversations, we better darn well know what we're talking about before any single American gets sent into something like that.

00:33:21.300 One minute until the break, Caroline Sunshine.

00:33:25.100 Absolutely.

00:33:25.900 And, you know, while we're at it, let's talk about other conversations that we're not having.

00:33:31.520 Supposedly, Iran is five minutes away from a nuclear weapon.

00:33:34.500 I have a feeling that is becoming the same Iraq has WMD's 2.0 lie because there is no current U.S. intelligence assessment that says that. 0.87

00:33:44.700 But let's let's play it out.

00:33:46.400 Let's have a conversation that I haven't seen anyone have.

00:33:48.640 You and me, Jack.

00:33:50.020 What if Iran does have a nuclear weapon?

00:33:52.500 OK, so what?

00:33:53.760 Let's let's play that out.

00:33:55.120 I don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon, but we haven't.

00:33:57.440 Let's let's just like.

00:33:58.280 And the danger would be, of course, what if they were to use it in a retaliation against Israel, against one of our forces or another?

00:34:06.100 I mean, that's that's the real danger here.

00:34:07.900 And I don't hear anybody talking about this.

00:34:09.480 We're coming up on on a break and we're asking a lot of questions that nobody seems to want to take time to actually consider.

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00:35:40.320 Finally, folks, we do have breaking news that an earthquake apparently has taken or has occurred, just occurred a few kilometers west of Tehran, of course, the capital of Iran.

00:35:53.760 The earthquake apparently occurred at very deep, a depth of, and I'm seeing various numbers on this, potentially 35 kilometers underground or even 13 kilometers underground.

00:36:03.840 This is far too deep to be the facility that is nowhere near where Forto is.

00:36:12.240 And so we're going to keep an eye on this.

00:36:14.780 Obviously, it is a very mountainous region.

00:36:18.100 It's a region where there's been a lot of tectonic activity.

00:36:21.200 Of course, everyone on edge because, of course, we know everything that's going on here over the last week.

00:36:27.840 We're on with Caroline Sunshine, the former deputy director of the Trump campaign's communications.

00:36:35.580 And Caroline, this conversation that you're having and that we're having is, I think, important because there are huge costs associated with this.

00:36:46.740 And what I've really been trying to drive home today as well is to say, look, the people of Tehran, and people need to see what Tehran actually looks like, and no one is taking a look at this.

00:37:00.560 No one knows how they're going to respond if the United States bombs them.

00:37:04.740 And there's this, you know, refrain that, oh, they're just going to greet us as liberators and it's going to be this wonderful thing.

00:37:13.680 I don't know if that's totally confirmed.

00:37:17.420 And it certainly wasn't in Iraq or Afghanistan.

00:37:20.020 And we could easily find ourselves sucked into a very, very bad situation.

00:37:25.580 I think that there's no reason for the United States to engage in any kind of regime war, regime change in the region.

00:37:37.160 It's really unpopular with the American people.

00:37:41.060 I cannot begin to describe how unpopular it is.

00:37:43.680 If you did want to undertake a popular regime change, honestly, the most popular one would probably be against Prime Minister Netanyahu himself.

00:37:53.640 If you stand with Israel, it's hard to stand with his government. 0.97

00:37:56.500 He's got a 30% popularity rating.

00:37:59.240 He almost lost control of his government a day before those strikes.

00:38:04.180 He has been wrong about intelligence assessments for a long time.

00:38:09.260 There's sufficient evidence that he didn't even listen to intelligence assessments leading up to the October 7th attack.

00:38:15.880 This is a guy that said that taking out Saddam Hussein would be a prosperous thing for the region of the Middle East.

00:38:25.560 But I also want to go back to the fact that people are saying,

00:38:30.660 all right, well, President Trump has been consistent for 10 years saying that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

00:38:36.160 That's true.

00:38:36.760 He has said that for a decade.

00:38:38.360 He's been very consistent in that position.

00:38:39.960 But that's very clever framing as well because what he hasn't said is Iran can never have a nuclear weapon

00:38:47.260 and we're willing to use the United States military and intervention to make sure that doesn't happen.

00:38:52.080 That's not what he has said.

00:38:53.440 If anything, his track record shows he has a bias towards negotiation.

00:38:58.020 He has a bias towards negotiating for peace.

00:39:01.900 But let's play this out.

00:39:03.340 Right now, there are people screaming on TV saying that Iran is five minutes away from a nuclear weapon.

00:39:09.180 They've been saying that for 30 years.

00:39:11.180 Netanyahu himself has been saying that for 30 years.

00:39:14.780 The current U.S. intelligence assessment does not assess that Iran is five minutes away from a nuclear weapon.

00:39:20.800 In fact, I don't think President Trump himself would have agreed to this recent two-week timeline

00:39:25.100 if Iran was truly five minutes away from a nuclear weapon.

00:39:29.220 So just because people who were speechwriters in the Bush administration

00:39:32.680 and architects of the Iraq war are going on television saying Iran is five minutes away from a nuclear weapon,

00:39:39.040 doesn't make it true.

00:39:41.760 And that's important because this is a country that has a history of selling convenient lies to its people

00:39:49.100 to get it involved in conflicts that have been very costly.

00:39:52.000 Of course, I'm talking about the lies that Iraq had done the U.S. 1.00

00:39:54.760 And we had to go now.

00:39:57.260 Right, right.

00:39:57.920 And I have some background on this that I got from a source who was in the closed-door meeting

00:40:02.740 with Ratcliffe and the others.

00:40:05.080 And people have made a lot of talk about his one-yard analogy.

00:40:09.300 And people are telling me that, wait a minute,

00:40:10.740 he was not talking about any kind of new intel or new assessment,

00:40:14.760 that Trump, Ratcliffe, J.D., and Tulsi are actually on the same page.

00:40:19.700 And, in fact, he was making a football reference about something else.

00:40:23.540 And all of the Warhawks are taking it out of context.

00:40:26.660 Caroline, we are out of time for the show.

00:40:28.420 I do hope you come back.

00:40:29.860 What is your social media where people can follow you?

00:40:33.580 Thank you, Jack.

00:40:34.440 And thank you for using your voice and for your show.

00:40:36.700 You guys can follow me at CSUNshine.

00:40:40.520 At CSUNshine.

00:40:41.580 It's as simple as that, folks.

00:40:43.700 And so you've got Caroline Sunshine now who's speaking out.

00:40:47.520 And, by the way, not speaking out,

00:40:49.560 but speaking out against the warmongers and the Warhawks

00:40:53.560 and the neocons for this rush to judgment.

00:40:56.120 President Trump, who's up in Bedminster now on his way,

00:41:00.020 President Trump is the one who will make the judgment.

00:41:03.020 And President Trump has always said, peace is the prize.

00:41:07.560 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to play a short.

00:41:13.700 We'll see you next time.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - June 20, 2025

Bunker Busting The NeoCons： Everyday Americans Want Nothing To Do With Another Forever War In The Middle East

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