00:04:48.140And it talks about how a confluence of supporters of mass liberalism, supporters of migrants, do-gooders, the people who want to make the world a better place, encourage this migration.
00:05:06.060But then a massive flotilla shows up. And they overwhelm the shores. They overwhelm everything. Their people take over the government and the government starts ordering more migration into the country. I mean, this is all just fictional. I mean, I couldn't imagine anyone possibly thinking that this could ever come true.
00:05:28.140I mean, this was written back in 1973, Jean Raspail.
00:05:33.100So Amazon apparently, and we've got this, this, you know, the statement out now is having trouble or people who are going on Amazon are having trouble.
00:05:45.580I want to say, by the way, the left loves to talk about book bans.
00:05:50.000But the books that the left talks about in terms of their book bans are never actually banned books.
00:05:55.200If you can go into Barnes and Noble and buy a book off the shelf, then it is not a banned book.
00:06:01.360If you can go and get a book in your local library, it is not a banned book.
00:06:13.460So let's dig into what we are being told by the current publisher, which is Vauban Books.
00:06:22.620And it says Amazon has removed Camp of the Saints, citing, quote, offensive content.
00:06:27.540And now French, by the way, French newspapers and others have been going after it for weeks, claiming that it is a, you know, this is the book of the new right.
00:06:36.780This book is inflaming the new right, et cetera, et cetera.
00:06:39.260But if that's true, by the way, then shouldn't it be available for everyone to read, to understand what's going on, whether you agree or disagree?
00:06:48.880isn't that what a free society has what is this idea that just because you read a book
00:06:56.560it changes you and it changes everything that you believe you can't read books anymore
00:07:01.400who are the type of people that say you can't read books well right now we're being told
00:07:06.560that the paperback version of this is down it's up for kindle and it's up for audiobooks still
00:07:13.200with a paperback version of Camp of the Saints taken down on Amazon.
00:10:10.020It's good to see you, and thanks for having me.
00:10:12.640Well, it's always great to see you, sir.
00:10:14.420And, you know, so I was reading, as I always do, the New York Times, my favorite newspaper.
00:10:19.400But there was an interesting piece in the New York Times recently talking about the
00:10:25.140Executive Office for Immigration Review and saw that, you know, it had been pushed out,
00:10:31.160But also talked about and what was really interesting with what they talked about in here was how it is that so many illegal aliens in our country are are hiding very well.
00:10:43.600Actually, it turns out they're hidden very well in the system.
00:10:46.200They're using these ITINs. They're using SSNs, social security numbers that they are so embedded in there that actually if you that the court system works once you find them and get them there.
00:10:57.160But actually, the really most effective way to go and to go and roll them up is exactly what you were doing.
00:11:05.220It talks about city patrol. It talked about area control. It talked about roving patrol.
00:11:09.080And I said, wait a minute. Isn't this exactly what the commander was doing?
00:11:13.860Well, Jack, exactly. And that's been something that the Border Patrol has done interior enforcement wise for over 100 years.
00:11:20.840So if you look back in the 50s at the Eisenhower administration, as well as some of the other administrations that really took that interior operation seriously, the removal of illegal aliens from the interior, that's it.
00:11:33.660That general immigration enforcement, I call it total spectrum immigration enforcement.
00:11:38.760And that means everything. Everything's on the table, whether it's rolling up to a Home Depot or targeted enforcement, everything all at the same time.
00:11:48.940and we need to roll these illegal aliens up so we can, as you say, get them into the system,0.99
00:11:54.500get them into the system. We can remove them and we can remove them in large numbers.1.00
00:12:00.240And one other thing, Jack, is that general immigration enforcement, that total spectrum0.96
00:12:05.140enforcement, what that also does is it highly encourages illegal aliens that perhaps we don't
00:12:12.200arrest to self-deport. And that's really the crux of the issue is that self-deportation. If we can
00:12:18.300If we can have them self-deport, Jack, it's a lot cheaper, it's a lot easier, and it's very effective.
00:12:26.940I was tweeting about that as well, and it's something that I've raised with the administration a number of times
00:12:31.020because I saw Secretary Mullins was on some interview when he was talking about the cost of deportations.
00:12:41.700And so actually, maybe you could walk us through that.
00:12:43.840What is the cost of a single deportation when it's from the government side pushing versus when a single individual decides to self-deport?
00:12:56.120Sure. I know that Mullen had, I believe that was approximately $8,500 was his figure.
00:23:03.180So one of the things that Clausewitz said, the best way,
00:23:06.780or one of the most effective ways, I should say,
00:23:09.800to counter a grassroots movement is by another grassroots movement.
00:23:15.020So what about American citizens? When are we going to bring American citizens into the fight?
00:23:20.960Patriots like you, me, and millions of other Americans that are on the sidelines wondering
00:23:27.420what the hell's going on right now? What is going on right now? Why aren't we mass deporting?
00:23:31.780Take the ICE tip line. That ICE tip line has never worked. It's not, or it's not been utilized
00:23:38.060the way it could and should be, well, since there was an ICE tip line. What about millions of
00:23:45.120Americans with calls for service on the ICE tip line that gets those immigration officers,
00:23:50.060those border patrol agents, and those ICE officers where they need to be, and that being where the
00:23:55.800illegal aliens are, ICE tip line, fantastic way to do that. So I'd highly recommend utilizing that
00:24:02.500ice tip line and putting that in the hands of Americans and weaponizing the ice tip line0.87
00:24:08.740so we can get our hands on even more illegal aliens. And then, as we talked about earlier in
00:24:13.480this segment, is creating the mechanism for self-deportation, creating a good reason
00:24:21.200for self-deportation. So grassroots beats grassroots.
00:24:25.680and i i love this idea so you're utilizing the the patriots and and by the way what do we always
00:24:33.920hear we always hear the grassroots on the other side of ice they say we're we're first amendment
00:24:38.440advisors or first amendment auditors and all this we're first amendment uh supporters well guess
00:24:45.120what the first amendment works both ways the first amendment means hey we're just out here
00:24:50.680in the street we're just out here in the street documenting we're just out here in the street
00:24:54.320figuring things out. And so if you're talking about the First Amendment, well, guess what?
00:24:59.360You do have a First Amendment right to report. You do have a First Amendment right to film.
00:25:04.760You do have a First Amendment right to make those reports to to the federal government.
00:25:10.280If you feel that it, you know, that's more than just the First Amendment, but you have a right as an American citizen to make those reports to the federal government.
00:25:17.840So what's really stopping this, you know, the ability of citizens to form, I don't know, perhaps some kind of 50 state organization where they're focused directly on this, Commander Bovino?
00:25:31.360Sure. It's information. It's the informational part of the strategy.
00:25:35.000One of the interesting things is when the Border Patrol, when we were in those cities nationwide, that was part of our strategy.
00:25:41.580Part of the strategy that we were implementing more and more each day is this giant workable strategy that brings in all components, including the grassroots, including Mom, Pa, America.
00:25:53.900I always called them Mom, Pa, America, and bringing them into the strategy.
00:25:59.840Can you call the ICE tip line and somebody actually answer the phone?
00:26:03.040Once they know that that can actually occur and that that would occur and that someone would actually answer the phone and then act upon the information given, you're ahead of the game right there.
00:26:15.240We started that in Charlotte, North Carolina. We started taking tips on social media. And remember, it doesn't have to be a nice tip line, an actual telephone. It can be social media. There's many, many ways to get that done, Jack.
00:26:26.940But in Charlotte, we started taking tips on social media, and just in the five days we were in Charlotte, Operation Charlotte's Web, we started knocking down all kinds of illegal aliens based on citizens' tips that came in on the various social media platforms.
00:26:42.600This is incredible. Commander Bovino, where can people follow you?
00:26:47.180They can follow me on X. That's Gregory K. Bovino, or Gregory K. Bovino. They're on X.
00:32:45.700In fact, I think in 98, there was congressional testimony
00:32:48.360about prisoners being killed for organs.
00:32:50.720you're absolutely right. Basically, the unusual situation was simply that, you know, I think some
00:32:57.480very evil person, and I theorize in the book about who this is, I think I make a good case,
00:33:02.920basically thought to themselves, hey, in this kind of totally amoral, right, no moral boundary system
00:33:07.400that CCP has, that I can actually have kind of a win-win, right? On the one hand, I can get rid
00:33:12.060of the Falun Gong, the dictator at the same time said eradicate them, right? And if they die, they1.00
00:33:16.940die and yeah and we can also make a lot of money and then provide organs to the super elites and
00:33:22.840if you remember there was this hot mic moment back in last september xi jinping vladimir putin
00:33:28.100exactly talking in tianmen square um they started talking about organ harvesting
00:33:34.940putin basically says to xi through continual organ transplantation maybe even we can achieve
00:33:40.480immortality and that speaks to the third or third win i i hate to call it a win because it's a horror
00:33:46.100it's a horror show, but basically it's unlimited organs for the super elites in China, basically
00:33:51.440in perpetuity. So the moment that this system was created, we see it just kind of grow geometrically0.53
00:33:57.480from the year 2000 to 2005, just massive growth, you know, almost, you know, more than up between
00:34:03.580100 and 200 hospitals created just to do this. And this, I want people to understand too,
00:34:10.940that when you're talking about, you know, these people, you know, Falun Gong, they're not being
00:34:18.160arrested for, you know, in many cases, or any case, really, they're not violent people. These
00:34:23.980aren't people that attack anyone or anything like this. They're not people who are committing abuse.
00:34:29.000They're people who are locked up for their beliefs. It's 100%. And this is, you know, I've
00:34:35.760spent years kind of trying to really understand why they ultimately attack the Falun Gong like
00:34:40.760this. You know, some people say it was bigger than the Communist Party, 70 to 100 million people.
00:34:45.020That seems like a reasonable reason. I've also heard that Jiang Zemin was very jealous of the
00:34:50.020founder of Falun Gong, Li Hongzhi. You know, Li Hongzhi had the love of the people. Jiang could
00:34:55.220never have it, right? He was the dictator. But the other part, there's something really unusual
00:34:59.180about Falun Gong. It's like, so it's very, has a lot of teachings, but there aren't a lot of rules.
00:35:05.100And the rules are like, there's no hierarchy in it. There's no collection of money. There's no
00:35:09.380worship of the teacher. It's very, very bottom up, very grassroots. And in a way, I think this is
00:35:16.520the thing that made the Communist Party so afraid because they're very top down. And you know this
00:35:21.860better than anyone, Jack. They basically like to keep the control all the way from the top through
00:35:27.140every institution. And here you had something that really wasn't very easy to control. And they saw
00:35:32.140that especially when they started persecuting them and these people resisted to being struggled
00:35:36.840against. So I think ultimately that's the reason. Basically, it kind of promotes agency or free
00:35:43.320thought or something like that. That's my view. And something that just kind of explained to
00:35:49.420folks that Falun Gong, it starts with, so Tai Chi, which people know in the US, and it's not
00:35:56.200Tai Chi, but it has a similarity just so people could understand in Chinese Qigong. So that Gong,
00:36:02.740the system of movement is related to this system of spiritual beliefs and exercises? I mean,
00:36:11.140I know I'm butchering this, but just so people can understand, it's almost like going after
00:36:16.700people for practicing yoga. Well, absolutely. And so in these traditional Chinese methods,
00:36:23.480right, people would have all these components kind of in one system. So there's this physical
00:36:27.660component, like you mentioned, there's, there's this, uh, you know, kind of education or mental
00:36:32.540component, and there's also a spiritual component and people are kind of, you know, cultivating all
00:36:37.280of that at once. And so, right. And so if you go to, you know, certain, uh, you know, yoga outlets,
00:36:44.520that's, that's similar to what they push. And so obviously it's not that, but I'm just saying
00:36:48.820that they're criminalizing people for doing something like this, which doesn't hurt anyone.
00:36:53.820And that's the point. A hundred percent. And I really think. Well, excuse me. It doesn't hurt anyone other than the CCP, because what does it do? It preaches about a higher power.
00:37:04.500And under the CCP system, they don't want anyone to be higher than the CCP and certainly not anyone who they view as a potential threat to them because of its size.
00:37:13.220Jan, I could go off on this for hours, as you know. Tell people the book again and where they can get it.
00:37:20.560Well, the book is called Kill to Order.
00:37:22.580You can actually get it at killtoorder.com.
00:39:19.340We've got the first lady out there talking about it.
00:39:21.300I love, you know, from the perspective of a pro-lifer, you know, I'm a Catholic that,
00:39:27.720you know, we talk about, you know, stop abortion and that's big in our community and in our
00:39:32.980audience. But at the same time, I think that sometimes we perhaps can be a bit lax about,
00:39:38.660you know, spent about spending the same amount of time and energy for kids after they're born,
00:39:43.740who may have to go into the system for one reason or another, but never, by the way,
00:39:48.640through fault of their own. So talk to us about the new program and the spotlight the First Lady
00:39:54.560is putting on it. Well said. Well, you know, first President Trump and First Lady Melania
00:39:59.400Trump have been incredible champions for improvement in the foster care system.
00:40:03.480Last November they issued an executive order called Fostering the Future which
00:40:07.320set up a whole of government approach to improving foster care. In so doing,
00:40:12.780President Trump has been clear the best foster care system is one that is not
00:40:16.560needed. The best thing we can do is wrap around families, support families, prevent
00:40:21.120the conditions in which families unravel, but prevention is not possible in all
00:40:26.580cases there is serious abuse there's serious neglect and in some cases it is in the best
00:40:32.260interest of the child that they be removed from their family and when that happens in those rare
00:40:38.100instances in which that is in the child's best interest we need safe loving nurturing foster
00:40:43.940homes to take care of them right now we have too few foster homes nationally if we have a hundred
00:40:49.460foster kids come into the system we only have 57 homes to care for them so what happens to the
00:40:55.540remainder too often they end up in non-traditional settings government offices they end up in hotels
00:41:03.140or airbnbs things that are just not conducive to the the stable loving environment that many of
00:41:08.740your listeners were fortunate to grow up with so what we're trying to do is we're trying to increase
00:41:15.300the number of foster homes nationally relative to the number of foster kids and we're structuring
00:41:21.300our policies and practices around that by looking at as a ratio it gives us two ways to rectify
00:41:27.380that first we can shrink the number of kids coming into foster care through effective prevention
00:41:32.580that's our most important strategy but when prevention is not possible we are trying to
00:41:37.780recruit and retain more foster families and uh and the target rich environment is families of faith
00:41:45.220Families with sincerely held religious beliefs and moral convictions.
00:41:50.380Well, and it's amazing that, you know, you look at the statistics and you find that the families that create the best environments typically are those that have faith at their core, isn't it?
00:42:02.240If certainly, you know, if every house of worship in the country had just one family who was fostering, our ratio of homes to kids would be four to one.
00:42:11.100And we would have homes waiting for kids instead of kids waiting on homes.
00:42:15.220One of the challenges has been is too many states, and unfortunately the previous administration,
00:42:20.220put in place policies that essentially told families of faith, you need not apply.
00:42:26.220You know, certain states have required training on use of pronouns.
00:42:30.220They've required families as a conditional licensure to attest that they would commit to gender transitioning procedures and things like that.
00:43:23.120So you've gone from the previous administration that was actually, you know, I would just say I'm not persecuting, but just just, you know, holding families of faith and people of faith convictions and their beliefs against them to expunge them from programs like this or to oppose them from being a grinding entry to these types of programs to actually realizing that, hey, wait a minute.
00:43:47.500what's in the best interest of the child what's in the best interest of the system and i'm sorry
00:43:53.060but you just said this that they some of the kids they end up in hotels or airbnbs like it's like
00:43:58.020you know when they have the minor flying on the plane and they got the you know the the uh you
00:44:03.700know the flight attendant is taking you know looking after him i mean that's just it's just
00:44:07.220and i've got two little kids i mean that's just it's not right it's not right it's not gonna work
00:44:11.140It's heartbreaking, and our initiative is designed to refocus the system.
00:44:16.980What's been most exciting to me is states all across this great land are responding to the President and First Lady's call.
00:44:24.480What we did is, when we rolled out the Home for Every Child campaign, we gave states a chance to negotiate a program improvement plan with us.