Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Charlie Kirk and the Mission Ahead

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

00:00:45.340 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:52.020 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:55.100 Christ is King.

00:00:56.500 Our host tonight is Chris Bedford.

00:00:58.100 Chris is the senior editor for politics and Washington correspondent for Blaze Media.

00:01:02.700 His work has been featured in the Telegraph, Compact, and American Mind, and the Washington

00:01:07.640 Examiner, National View, and the New York Post.

00:01:10.400 Our guest tonight is Jack Posobiec.

00:01:12.520 Jack is the former Navy intelligence officer and has been the leading conservative voice

00:01:17.220 for over a decade.

00:01:18.520 As the host of Human Events Daily on Real America's Voice, he speaks to millions of viewers worldwide.

00:01:23.300 Jack continues to be a regular guest on the host of the Charlie Kirk Show, honoring his

00:01:28.060 friend's legacy while continuing to shape the national conversation.

00:01:31.760 Known for his fearless reporting and news analysis, Jack has also secured high-profile

00:01:36.260 interviews with influential figures like Vice President J.D. Vance, Treasury Secretary Scott

00:01:41.040 Besson, and Donald Trump Jr.

00:01:43.040 We're thrilled to have both Chris and Jack, two powerful voices in the movement, with us

00:01:47.620 tonight.

00:01:48.260 Enjoy the evening.

00:01:48.860 I was hiding behind you.

00:02:00.280 I do that sometimes.

00:02:01.140 I'm, you know, you know, can you guys hear us okay?

00:02:05.980 Oh yeah, that's working.

00:02:07.040 Yeah, no, that's the Fed in me, so I appreciate you guys allowing Feds to be here today, the

00:02:12.140 Fettiest Fed that ever Fetted.

00:02:13.340 And, no, no, it's great to be here, and, you know, it's just incredible.

00:02:19.840 One thing, by the way, that people also don't know about us is that we went through the Claremont

00:02:23.720 Institute together.

00:02:24.480 Lincoln Fellows.

00:02:25.260 We were both Lincoln Fellows in the same cohort, which Charlie Kirk did, I guess, two

00:02:30.880 years after us, I want to say.

00:02:32.520 Yeah, he was in the younger class.

00:02:33.680 Yeah, I want to say, oh, was he Publius?

00:02:36.180 No, no, he was Lincoln as well.

00:02:37.820 Oh, he was Lincoln, yeah, okay.

00:02:38.800 Yeah, he just graduated after we did.

00:02:40.580 We're the old heads.

00:02:41.180 Yeah, we are the old heads here, but, you know, it's really great to be here, and I

00:02:47.800 appreciate this.

00:02:49.880 You know, it's interesting because we had had this scheduled a while ago, and, you know,

00:02:58.720 I remember throwing it on the calendar, and they said, are you going to be free?

00:03:02.220 You know, I don't even know what day it is.

00:03:04.160 Oh, yeah, it's October 9th.

00:03:05.700 And that day in October, I said, yeah, I don't have anything going on, and my schedule was

00:03:10.180 wide open a month ago.

00:03:14.800 And then, you know, I was doing my show at our Real America's Voice studio here, just

00:03:23.040 down the street, and, you know, I got the news about, at first it was just a rumor that

00:03:27.800 there was a shooting about Charlie, and, you know, then everybody knows the rest of the

00:03:33.260 story, and I've only actually, you know, I've been in Phoenix for probably about the past

00:03:38.120 three and a half weeks with, with Turning Point, working with Turning Point, working

00:03:43.740 with Erica, you know, just, and just, just being there, being supportive.

00:03:47.440 And political violence has gotten to the point where we've talked about it for many years,

00:03:57.180 I wrote a book about it, I've experienced it, I've covered it, but it's gotten to a point

00:04:02.880 now where it is threatening every single person in this room, the guests included, and even

00:04:11.080 all of you out there, because if you are a conservative in America today, that is to,

00:04:17.320 that means to live your entire life, 24-7, top to bottom, when you wake up, when you're

00:04:23.560 going to your car, when you're going to work, when you're coming home, when you're going

00:04:27.040 out, when you're taking your kids to school, you could be killed.

00:04:32.160 And it's blunt, but it's the truth.

00:04:35.260 And I went to the White House yesterday, and I was honored to be a part of this, you know,

00:04:40.400 panel that we held on left-wing domestic violence that's going on in America.

00:04:46.060 And I said the exact same thing, and even said to the president, that, you know, Mr. President,

00:04:51.600 the next person who could be assassinated could be sitting at this table right now, and, and

00:04:55.600 probably is.

00:04:56.640 And so it's gotten to the point in this country, certainly in the wake of Charlie's murder,

00:05:03.200 and only gotten worse.

00:05:04.340 And I think there's a certain profile that's starting to emerge when you look at,

00:05:09.080 Gen Z. 0.58

00:05:13.200 When you look at the, the Zoomers, I tend to notice there's sort of a, it's, it's like, 1.00

00:05:19.880 there's no middle.

00:05:20.840 So that's great when you're on the right, because everyone's like cool and based and

00:05:25.000 awesome.

00:05:25.320 But that means on the left, you turn towards the most extreme possible solutions, which

00:05:33.600 include political assassinations.

00:05:35.040 So we've seen who?

00:05:36.420 Luigi Maggioni, right?

00:05:38.440 Thomas Matthew Crooks attempted to kill President Trump.

00:05:42.020 This guy, Tyler Robinson at Utah Valley University, who, I think it's starting to emerge that there's

00:05:48.500 some, that, you know, he came from a conservative family, but was rebelling against that, ran in the

00:05:53.600 other direction, Mormon family.

00:05:55.520 And the ICE shooter down in Dallas as well also fits the same profile.

00:06:00.400 The anti-Catholic shooter in Minneapolis fits the profile.

00:06:03.980 Also, many of these cases, the, you know, there's a, a tie to transgenderism and that ideology,

00:06:10.480 which has directly, direct ties with violence and a extremely high rate of violence.

00:06:16.500 So that, that.

00:06:17.580 And it, and it's, it's just gotten to the point.

00:06:19.440 And, you know, to kind of finish that, that thought is it's gotten to the point now where

00:06:23.040 if we do not do something about it, we cannot continue as, as a movement, as a party, and

00:06:30.200 possibly even as a country.

00:06:31.240 Something that's been strange, now we learned more about Robinson since, and you see the

00:06:36.600 mugshot of the guy we're just beginning to learn about who's behind the fires in California.

00:06:42.200 Oh, yep, another example.

00:06:43.480 Or is accused of being behind the fires.

00:06:44.420 And something that strikes me as a new thing, and something you talked about at the White

00:06:48.860 House yesterday, when all the doctors and nurses and lawyers and other people who were

00:06:52.940 publicly celebrating the death of a young man who left behind two children and a wife,

00:06:57.860 is the rise of the normal looking psychopath, the normal looking radical, the normal looking

00:07:07.020 revolutionary leftist.

00:07:08.860 I mean, you used to be able to pick these people out.

00:07:11.620 You know, it's, you'd look at the rallies in front of the Supreme Court, you'd see the

00:07:14.800 people on Antifa.

00:07:16.500 They looked like they were shaken out of the bottom of the can.

00:07:19.220 They were just the last left. 0.99

00:07:20.380 I mean, they are, they are ugly people, and they don't do themselves any favors. 0.93

00:07:25.460 Well, and there's a reason they gravitate towards that kind of politics. 0.90

00:07:27.920 Yeah, they're, they're forgotten in some way.

00:07:29.780 There's something, and also I think evil shows itself actually, manifests itself eventually.

00:07:33.080 It's a brokenness.

00:07:34.360 And physically.

00:07:35.820 The, um, but nowadays you see a lot of normal looking people.

00:07:39.920 Well, and this is.

00:07:41.240 Strange.

00:07:41.400 How, it's like sleeper cells throughout the country.

00:07:44.300 Right, and so, you know, though, like Aaron Burnett went up on CNN last night and said,

00:07:49.640 you know, well, you can't go after Antifa because Antifa's decentralized, and, you know,

00:07:53.780 it's not even a real thing.

00:07:54.960 They don't have a head.

00:07:55.840 They don't have a, you know, organization.

00:07:57.740 And certainly there's, there's a number of front.

00:07:59.240 There's no Cobra commander.

00:08:00.160 You know, front groups and all the same.

00:08:01.740 But I kind of turned around and said like, oh, so you mean like, like terrorist cells then?

00:08:05.840 Like exactly how terrorist cells have been organized throughout the world.

00:08:10.040 Exactly how ISIS operated in the West, by the way, where yes, ISIS had command in the Middle

00:08:16.380 East, but of course they would operate cells largely through internet radicalization, internet

00:08:20.700 outreach.

00:08:21.500 And this is the same thing that we're seeing now.

00:08:23.920 That being said, you know, obviously, and I'm not, I'm speaking not from the perspective

00:08:30.160 of a turning point when I say this, or, you know, having any inside knowledge about the

00:08:34.100 investigation, I should say.

00:08:35.500 But, you know, when you look at the group of people that Tyler Robinson seemed to be

00:08:40.060 interacting with there in Utah, groups like this armed queers of Salt Lake City that seem 1.00

00:08:47.240 to have some kind of knowledge that something would happen to Charlie Kirk that day, it really

00:08:54.740 does ask, you know, make you want to ask the question, was there more out there that was

00:09:00.280 involved in this?

00:09:01.040 And, and I, I, again, I'm not speaking from any inside knowledge on that.

00:09:05.320 It's my own opinion.

00:09:06.420 It's obviously something that Cash Patella said that he's looking into.

00:09:09.480 And, you know, it clearly seems to be that there was more to the, to that story than

00:09:13.880 meets the eye.

00:09:15.100 And with the, with the idea that people knew about it.

00:09:17.360 And the assassination of the president as well.

00:09:19.060 Well, certainly.

00:09:19.760 They just say the world will never know.

00:09:21.000 Certainly.

00:09:21.920 And, uh, the, the idea that all of this happened by, you know, it's a lone wolf and it's just

00:09:26.540 one guy and it's, you know, case closed and, and I, I, I don't buy that.

00:09:31.100 And I've, I haven't, I haven't met people who buy that, you know, people really tend

00:09:35.120 to think, and that's just not how these operate.

00:09:36.520 So, you know, you, you take it back to where they'll claim that, uh, that left-wing violence 0.97

00:09:43.520 doesn't exist or they'll turn around and say, oh, well it's, you know, you have to put it

00:09:48.940 in context and they'll, they just shove junk studies in front of you to say that studies

00:09:54.440 where I've seen that where they classify radical Islamic terrorism as right-wing because they'll

00:09:59.660 claim that's authoritarian.

00:10:01.320 And so therefore that's on the right.

00:10:03.280 And they'll use that.

00:10:04.140 They'll use it.

00:10:04.840 Yeah.

00:10:04.960 Go look at some of these studies that like Reuters and the economist and others will post

00:10:09.020 and they'll, you'll see, well, wait a minute, this is clearly not right-wing violence.

00:10:12.520 This is, this is radical Islamic terrorism. 0.91

00:10:14.380 And, you know, I would say that's obviously different from left-wing violence as well.

00:10:17.840 It is its own specific thing.

00:10:20.500 And, you know, we used to in this country deal with these things like, uh, the seventies,

00:10:25.420 eighties, we had a serial killer problem in America.

00:10:27.940 And how do we deal with that?

00:10:29.300 We dealt with it, with the FBI getting together, setting up profilers, uh, there's endless TV

00:10:34.900 shows and movies about this.

00:10:36.760 Silence of the Lambs obviously is about this, which I would also point out includes a transgender 0.54

00:10:41.320 killer, uh, Buffalo Bob, uh, but you know, Thomas Harris understood this by the way. 0.98

00:10:47.100 Um, so did Alfred Hitchcock when he made psycho again, another cross-dresser who is a murderer. 1.00

00:10:52.220 Uh, there's clearly something at odds with that denial of reality and that when reality,

00:10:57.740 uh, approaches itself.

00:10:59.640 Often when you're confronted with the fact that if you, you've denied reality so much on such

00:11:03.760 a deep level that, uh, you have a break with reality that does respond with murderous rage.

00:11:10.340 And, you know, this is clearly something that was understood for a long time in the horror

00:11:13.800 genre.

00:11:14.180 And that's why there's so many incredible movies that, that include that.

00:11:17.460 And yet for, I sit there and I think, gosh, was I the only person who actually followed

00:11:21.220 the plot of these things?

00:11:22.220 Because it's very clear to me what they were trying to say.

00:11:25.460 And it's, you know, look, it's, uh, I, I, I'm at a loss for words when I, when I talk

00:11:32.920 about it, you know, sometimes because of all the emotions that I felt since, um, you know,

00:11:40.740 since Charlie was killed and, and, you know, it's, you know, and I'm, you know, he was a good

00:11:47.000 friend of mine and, you know, it's nothing compared to what the family's gone through, but

00:11:50.900 surprise was not one of them.

00:11:54.200 You know, it's, it's the, there's, you know, the shock, obviously the stunningness, the grief,

00:11:59.640 the, the anger of course is absolutely there.

00:12:02.140 But, but to say I was surprised, no, because I knew it was only a matter of time before one of us

00:12:09.180 had a shot taken and I never thought it would be Charlie.

00:12:13.880 You know, I don't think any of us thought that Charlie Kirk would be the one who was

00:12:17.260 killed, but it's something that we've all talked about for a long, long time.

00:12:20.460 You'd think it'd be someone who was a little easier to hate and like me or, and, and, and,

00:12:24.720 you know, yeah, or me, right.

00:12:26.180 Um, and my wife hates when I say that. 1.00

00:12:28.320 And you know, though, I will say though, I think the reason that Charlie was targeted first

00:12:34.980 was because his own existence was so loathsome to these people.

00:12:41.240 He exposed them.

00:12:42.100 You know, he exposed them, but, but even more than that, the way he lived his life,

00:12:45.600 here's a white Christian male, which is the approved target of everything the left stands 0.88

00:12:52.240 for.

00:12:52.740 And he's the, you know, he was the high school quarterback, uh, of the team.

00:12:57.000 He's married to a beauty queen.

00:12:59.140 He's got two beautiful children.

00:13:01.020 He goes around, uh, spreading the gospel.

00:13:03.980 He goes around having these debates and, you know, sure you could disagree with them.

00:13:07.800 And, you know, gosh, I, I used to debate him all the time and, you know, on various issues.

00:13:12.140 I'm a Catholic.

00:13:12.980 He's a Protestant.

00:13:13.840 So we would always go to toe to toe on, on theological issues.

00:13:17.140 And it was great.

00:13:17.680 And it's one of the things I'm going to miss the most, but he did it the right way.

00:13:22.060 You know, he never did it with a fist in anger.

00:13:24.700 And I think that his success and the fact that he was so successful, not only in front

00:13:30.980 of the camera, but also behind the scenes.

00:13:33.620 And I'm sure there's many people in this room who know, and maybe many others who don't,

00:13:38.000 the role that Charlie played in the transition process, which of course the administration's

00:13:43.540 talked about publicly, the role that so many staff, I mean, if you go look at the admin

00:13:47.380 right now, you will see a, a, I would be surprised to find a staffer that doesn't have some tie

00:13:53.880 to TPUSA, or at least having attended one of the events on their resume.

00:13:58.040 And that's the legacy of Charlie Kirk.

00:14:00.080 So many people in so many key positions, not to mention, by the way, his advocacy for J.D.

00:14:05.920 Vance to become the vice president.

00:14:08.700 Yes.

00:14:09.220 Ladies and gentlemen, sometimes you can actually just choose the best person for the job.

00:14:12.860 I was shocked and so happy, you know, and, you know, because we all remember the

00:14:16.400 refrain, you know, it's got to be a woman, it's got to be a person of color, or you've 0.99

00:14:19.880 got to triangulate and do all this.

00:14:22.820 And, you know, and, um, you mentioned Butler, uh, I'll tell a quick story about that.

00:14:28.260 You know, Charlie actually asked me to go to the Butler rally and, um, you know, obviously

00:14:33.760 we didn't know what happened at the Butler rally and we certainly didn't know what happened

00:14:38.240 to Charlie, but it was, it was the night before the Butler rally.

00:14:41.160 And he said, Jack, you gotta, you gotta get to Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:14:43.560 You gotta get up there.

00:14:44.400 And I was like, I'm like, Charlie, I'm going to Milwaukee on Sunday.

00:14:47.340 Cause remember it was the same weekend as the convention.

00:14:49.940 And so I was flying up to Milwaukee.

00:14:51.880 My whole family is flying up to Milwaukee and I just told myself logistically, I don't

00:14:56.900 even know how I can do that.

00:14:58.000 It's not going to work with the flights and all the rest.

00:15:00.360 And, um, I, what do you, what do you want me to go to Butler so much for?

00:15:04.400 And he goes, cause I want to get you like 60 seconds with Trump to just talk about how

00:15:10.040 great JD Vance is and that that's Charlie Kirk on a Friday night, right?

00:15:14.740 That he's working, he's, he's plotting, he's scheming, he's trying to figure out how can

00:15:20.040 I make this happen any possible way that I can?

00:15:23.520 He's like, and I got Jack and I know he's from Pennsylvania and I know we got Trump and

00:15:28.500 you know, and it'll work.

00:15:29.820 And, and obviously, you know, it, it, it worked out anyway, but that was Charlie.

00:15:35.300 It was, the Libs will say you're a Maryland man now.

00:15:37.840 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:15:38.600 They like to, they have no idea what they're talking about and they will, they will sit

00:15:44.420 there and, you know, talk about Charlie in the front of the camera, but behind the scenes,

00:15:49.700 he was constantly doing stuff like that.

00:15:52.080 And there's so many stories that, you know, normally I wouldn't want to share, but you

00:15:57.780 know, just, just because you don't, you don't talk about what goes on behind the scenes,

00:16:00.500 but more, more people have now, he was instrumental in putting RFK, Bobby Kennedy and Maha together

00:16:06.320 with MAGA, which clearly is what translated into the winning the suburbs.

00:16:12.520 It's what translated into taking this movement of healthcare, which the whole media has forgotten

00:16:18.020 about this, that healthcare was a left wing issue.

00:16:21.800 It, it nominally in American politics, you say, yeah, healthcare is the domain of the left.

00:16:26.920 It is controlled by the Democrats and yet through Bobby Kennedy and through Maha, which Charlie 0.54

00:16:32.900 was like a hundred percent, a huge believer in personally too, by the way, biohacking,

00:16:37.320 cold plunges, didn't drink caffeine.

00:16:39.140 That's, that was the deal with the, the mid majesty teas.

00:16:42.180 Um, that's something that just changed the course of history and Charlie never even talked

00:16:48.920 about it publicly.

00:16:50.120 We saw Charlie change too.

00:16:52.240 And because they become the man that he was when he started, he was kind of a libertarian.

00:16:56.900 He was young.

00:16:57.620 A lot of people start in libertarianism.

00:16:59.280 He rejected some of the social issues.

00:17:01.300 Hey, we all make mistakes when we're kids.

00:17:03.480 Yeah.

00:17:04.700 Uh, you know, it got, it got some excitement.

00:17:06.360 It got some things going, but we saw him change on economics.

00:17:10.720 Uh, he was someone who was open to change.

00:17:12.460 Like he became good friends with Tucker and that was after Tucker went hard at him on stage

00:17:17.640 at his own event.

00:17:18.420 I was at that event.

00:17:19.280 Yeah.

00:17:19.440 I remember that.

00:17:20.080 And then we saw him become a Christian.

00:17:21.040 I think that was the truckers where they got into it on that one.

00:17:23.900 Self-driving cars.

00:17:24.700 Automated truck.

00:17:25.360 Yeah.

00:17:25.480 Automated immediately.

00:17:26.000 Ban it immediately.

00:17:27.320 And then we saw him become a Christian.

00:17:29.860 Um, how much, were you friends with him as he made that shift from young libertarian to

00:17:36.320 Christian? 0.80

00:17:36.720 When did you meet him in his life?

00:17:37.920 And what can you, what light can you shed on it for our audience about that transformation

00:17:41.780 from someone who had ideas about taxes, regulation, defense? 0.95

00:17:46.120 Big gov sucks, right? 0.62

00:17:47.460 That was the original turning point slogan. 0.98

00:17:48.900 But became someone who was so much more.

00:17:50.840 Yeah, no.

00:17:51.840 Um, you know, so I got, I, I got to know Charlie, um, I'd say like 2017 was when the first time

00:17:57.760 we met and we just really met on the, on the trail, you know, going in, going to do grassroots

00:18:02.440 events together and, uh, doing CPACs or, you know, flip to Chicago once right after I got

00:18:08.800 married actually.

00:18:09.580 And, uh, we were there with Charlie and, you know, we did this event in the Chicago area.

00:18:14.020 It was, remember, it was like right, right before Thanksgiving, we were there and it was

00:18:17.060 like freezing cold and there was Charlie up giving a speech and I came up after him giving

00:18:21.700 my speech and, and, you know, we did that and parted ways and then I'd see him again.

00:18:25.880 Actually.

00:18:26.280 He opened up for you?

00:18:27.060 Uh, of course, uh, actually, uh, I was in St. Louis once at a, a, a Phyllis, um, Phyllis

00:18:32.480 Schlafly Eagles forum, which of course was run by Ed Martin, the great Ed Martin, who's

00:18:37.220 now, uh, who's now here in DC.

00:18:39.520 And, uh, although I, I'm told that Ed Martin is working late tonight because there's a,

00:18:44.580 there's an indictment of a certain New York attorney general that he's working on.

00:18:49.320 Uh, you guys may have heard of, uh, have heard of that.

00:18:52.760 He, he was, you know, I was trying to get him to come tonight and he, you know, he was,

00:18:55.980 he was thinking about it and he said, ah, Jack, I got to work late.

00:18:58.560 We're doing something tonight.

00:18:59.440 I said, okay, Ed.

00:19:00.200 But I remember Ed comes to me at that event and he said, Jack, you've got a, cause I had

00:19:03.880 a rental car and he goes, you had a rental car here, right?

00:19:06.680 Jack.

00:19:06.860 I said, yeah.

00:19:07.200 He goes, can you go pick up somebody at the airport for me?

00:19:09.440 I said, who's that?

00:19:10.040 He goes, what's this guy, Charlie Kirk, you know?

00:19:12.160 I said, oh yeah, Charlie, I'll go pick up Charlie.

00:19:14.000 So just stuff like that, you know, getting to know each other from being at events together.

00:19:18.780 And then of course in the first admin, um, ubiquitous, uh, he and I, I would say

00:19:23.840 they were both mainstays over at the Trump hotel lobby, which was, I mean, if you guys

00:19:27.680 think Butterworth's is the place, like the, the, and it's great.

00:19:31.020 Don't get me wrong.

00:19:31.820 I love you, Raheem.

00:19:32.380 Please don't kill me.

00:19:33.360 Um, but I was just there yesterday.

00:19:35.220 And, um, but the Trump hotel lobby was just a scene unto itself.

00:19:39.220 Um, cabinet members, grassroots supporters, donors, journalists, and the president himself

00:19:45.600 would come in, you know, once or twice a month.

00:19:47.540 And it was just, uh, it was a moment in time that you can't, uh, you know, you can't ever

00:19:52.720 recapture lightning in a bottle.

00:19:54.240 And so you asked me about when Charlie made his, his change and he's always been Christian,

00:20:00.440 but he never, you know, he wasn't really like a public Christian before.

00:20:03.540 And I would honestly credit it to Erica.

00:20:07.400 I would credit it to him getting to know Erica and, you know, dating her, which, you know,

00:20:14.420 started very early on and, you know, let's, let's just say it, you know, Erica, she was

00:20:20.420 more based than Charlie early on, you know, she was just, you know, Charlie was someone

00:20:25.120 who, you know, he sort of, he had that, he had that journey that he was on from sort of

00:20:30.180 the Midwestern libertarian, you know, staple, uh, staple a green card to the back of the

00:20:35.560 diploma.

00:20:36.260 We all remember those comments and, and Erica would be the one, no, no, no, no, no, no,

00:20:41.440 no, no.

00:20:41.680 We're not doing this.

00:20:43.200 And, and she is an incredibly devout Christian and would tell him, Charlie, you need to talk

00:20:51.180 about your faith more publicly.

00:20:52.620 And he would say, why?

00:20:53.380 We know, you know, the Christian right in the nineties, they went, you know, they went 1.00

00:20:56.800 down in flames.

00:20:57.600 They're kind of like a punchline.

00:20:59.780 Um, you know, people, people don't like it when we get too churchy and, uh, and for

00:21:05.460 people who know him now, you know, or, or, you know, to where, where he ended up that,

00:21:10.240 uh, he could, you know, quote the scripture at, you know, give him a, give him a chapter

00:21:14.160 and verse and he could just tell you everything right off the top of his head and eidetic

00:21:17.180 memory.

00:21:17.560 And he would spend so much time studying, uh, and reading over and over and over to really

00:21:22.320 get it down.

00:21:23.020 And I would credit it to Erica who encouraged him to be more public about it.

00:21:27.960 I would also credit it to the fact that he got married, like, like so many people, he

00:21:32.460 gets married, he, he starts having children and then realizes that there's more to life

00:21:38.120 than tax cuts as it turns out.

00:21:40.240 Uh, and you know, really it, it, we don't, we still do the tax cuts.

00:21:44.800 Don't worry.

00:21:45.180 Um, but, but realizing that we have to leave a legacy in this world and, um, look, you know,

00:21:54.340 uh, Charlie left his legacy a lot earlier than any of us thought that he would, but he certainly

00:22:00.300 left a legacy that I think no one's ever going to forget.

00:22:02.760 You know, I'm going to ask you one more question and then turn it over to the audience.

00:22:05.760 Cause I know we're running a little behind.

00:22:07.040 I'm sorry about that.

00:22:08.200 The, um, Erica gave an incredible.

00:22:11.240 Chris, Chris was, Chris was, um, uh, he was trying to get an image of the Letitia James

00:22:15.960 perp walk.

00:22:16.600 He was like staked out in front of her, in front of her townhouse, but you know, it didn't

00:22:20.200 work.

00:22:20.520 She, she pulled a Comey and like went out the back. 1.00

00:22:24.060 Um, Erica gave a beautiful eulogy for her husband at the funeral and in it, one of the

00:22:28.620 very moving things that she said was that she forgives his killer.

00:22:33.040 Right.

00:22:34.040 Yeah.

00:22:34.440 That's a really wonderful, wonderful Christian thing to do.

00:22:37.420 She said she didn't want to have that on her conscience when she answered to God.

00:22:41.440 She wanted to see her husband again, but since the dawn of time, part of the duty of defending

00:22:48.240 civilization has rested on the men and the people who are willing to take it to the enemy

00:22:52.800 and defend their civilization from murderers and barbarians and psychopaths.

00:22:56.900 And that's a burden that we have to bear.

00:22:59.040 It doesn't seem like the left is actually stepping back voluntarily from this violence.

00:23:04.020 They're not, they're still cheering it on.

00:23:06.840 Even in the media, they're still talking about it.

00:23:08.800 So Antifa is not just going to put down its arms and say, Oh my gosh, we've gone too

00:23:13.140 far.

00:23:14.220 How does the government, you've worked in military intelligence, you've been in Antifa,

00:23:19.140 you've been targeted, you've written about this.

00:23:21.340 What are some of the concrete steps that can be done as opposed to just throwing up their

00:23:24.720 hands and to actually dismantle this?

00:23:27.680 So it becomes like serial killing became a rare thing now and something that's been pushed

00:23:32.880 out of society by proper law enforcement or like the assassinations and the bombings of

00:23:37.220 the sixties and seventies were, what are some of the steps that can be done to make sure

00:23:41.420 that our children don't have to grow up in a world that is, that is spiraling towards the

00:23:47.160 collapse?

00:23:47.940 Right.

00:23:48.060 And, and by the way, I would just add, unfortunately, you know, for my children who, who knew Charlie,

00:23:53.280 they are already growing up in that world.

00:23:55.400 Yeah.

00:23:56.080 And so, and I just, I just point that out for people.

00:23:59.480 My children had someone who they considered like an uncle to them.

00:24:06.400 Um, you know, they, they lived through seeing president Trump be shot last year.

00:24:10.960 Um, they, they know, uh, missed, they call him Mr. Steve, Mr. Steve Bannon, and they saw

00:24:17.240 him go to jail last year by, uh, by Joe Biden.

00:24:20.800 And then Trump was shot about a week later.

00:24:22.940 And now they know someone who they know, they personally know someone who was assassinated

00:24:30.740 over politics and is now a martyr.

00:24:33.780 And that's my kids.

00:24:34.960 That's my, it's my boys.

00:24:37.500 I have no idea how to explain any of this.

00:24:40.340 So I didn't let them watch the video, obviously, but this is the world they're growing up in

00:24:46.460 right now.

00:24:47.440 And, and all of our kids, you know, for those of us who are parents, you as well.

00:24:50.940 And it will not stop until it stopped yesterday.

00:24:56.000 For example, Nancy Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi, not, not, not, not some, you know, radical on the

00:25:01.040 street in Portland, Nancy Pelosi, uh, as close as they come to, you know, a leader of

00:25:05.480 the Democrat party, leader emeritus, maybe she was asked about the comments of Jay Jones,

00:25:09.920 who, and, and, and, and a lot of the writeup of those text messages is it pales in comparison

00:25:17.600 to what he actually said.

00:25:19.080 Not only did he say that a Republican candidates or Republican opponents children should be 0.99

00:25:26.500 shot. 1.00

00:25:27.040 He said that they should be shot and be forced to die in their mother's arms and that she 1.00

00:25:32.780 should watch this before she and her husband were also killed. 0.99

00:25:35.860 And then, and he was texting this to a, uh, a colleague who was a GOP delegate.

00:25:43.080 He then called her and started berating her about this.

00:25:47.560 Nancy Pelosi gets asked about this on CNN yesterday and she says, well, I still understand he's the

00:25:53.220 best candidate for attorney general.

00:25:56.280 Nancy Pelosi, the, the, the closest you can come to head of the party. 1.00

00:25:59.920 So excuse me if I'm not going to sit there when, when they ask me, oh, Jack, you going

00:26:04.800 to tone down the rhetoric?

00:26:06.040 Oh, Jack, what about both sides?

00:26:07.840 Is this both sides?

00:26:08.960 Cause the bullets are only coming in one direction, the rhetoric, the violence, all of this, it's

00:26:13.380 only coming in one direction.

00:26:14.440 I said to a reporter the other day, I said, I said, where is this violent, right?

00:26:19.240 Charlie Kirk was shot and killed.

00:26:21.280 And we responded with prayers.

00:26:22.820 We responded with vigils and candles and rosaries and, uh, memorial.

00:26:29.900 If there was ever a time where if this so-called quote unquote violent right was going to show

00:26:35.180 itself, it would have been in the wake of that.

00:26:37.040 And I said, show me one example, show me one example of someone on the right being violent

00:26:41.040 in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder.

00:26:42.400 There isn't one.

00:26:43.220 So I give you money.

00:26:43.980 Couldn't do it.

00:26:44.880 What can we do?

00:26:46.580 Look, president Trump has come a long way on this.

00:26:49.540 Uh, of course we were there yesterday.

00:26:50.820 One of the concrete examples that I gave him on, uh, on this is the foreign terrorist 0.94

00:26:56.600 designation for Antifa.

00:26:58.860 Uh, the domestic terrorist designation from a policy perspective, it does some good from 1.00

00:27:05.900 the federal government level.

00:27:07.000 However, it's not, there's no federal law, uh, against domestic terrorism.

00:27:11.680 Believe it or not, there are some state laws, but there's no actual federal designation

00:27:14.840 as this.

00:27:15.460 So it doesn't unlock the powers of the national security state, the national security

00:27:20.580 apparatus, the infrastructure, the, that, that I used to use when I was a member of the

00:27:25.060 intelligence community.

00:27:26.360 However, when you look at Antifa structure, when you look at their links to Europe, which

00:27:32.840 is where Antifa comes from, Antifa was originally formed in Germany, uh, then spread to Spain,

00:27:39.160 of course, Italy, France, the UK, they maintain very strong cells all across Europe.

00:27:45.400 And by the way, for them, for the people who say that, oh, they don't have, uh, dresses

00:27:49.080 and they have safe houses, you know, I'm more than happy to provide you to them.

00:27:52.780 And in fact, we have, uh, uh, yesterday and today, you know, that round table that you

00:27:58.680 saw is sort of becoming a sort of a quasi working group, I suppose you could say.

00:28:02.620 And foreign terrorists, as well as by the way, training and links to Middle Eastern groups.

00:28:06.880 And, and no, I don't just mean Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad and things like that, but other

00:28:11.360 groups as well in Syria, um, allows the entire national security infrastructure to be turned

00:28:18.160 against these groups.

00:28:19.300 It allows Secretary Besant to use the powers of the treasury department to go after their

00:28:24.820 money, to go after the financiers.

00:28:26.880 And it allows the department of justice to roll up any, by the way, not just anyone who

00:28:31.140 is funding it, but even involved, allows them to freeze assets of anyone who is, who is

00:28:36.420 involved with funding them.

00:28:37.980 This is huge.

00:28:38.840 So that's number one.

00:28:39.860 Number two, um, obviously on a direct level, the joint terrorism task forces, um, that exist

00:28:46.220 throughout the country, they've been activated.

00:28:48.500 Look, when it comes to a place like, like Portland or Chicago that are clearly in, in open

00:28:55.420 defiance of the federal government, I've, I've argued this on the podcast and I certainly,

00:29:00.760 uh, mentioned it to the white house yesterday, call in the national guard, they'll call it

00:29:07.780 invoking the insurrection act.

00:29:09.180 And, uh, certainly that is, that is what needs to be done when, uh, when the governor refuses

00:29:14.600 to, but when you have these groups that are clearly operating to obstruct and to kill members

00:29:21.420 of the federal government who are enforcing immigration and customs laws, which is the remit

00:29:26.540 of the federal government.

00:29:27.360 This is the acronym ice.

00:29:28.900 This is what it literally stands for.

00:29:30.960 Uh, there is no state right here.

00:29:33.560 That's being abridged.

00:29:34.600 It is very clear.

00:29:35.700 This is, this is the purview of the federal government.

00:29:38.280 It's a, it's an obvious supremacy clause issue.

00:29:40.960 And so a limited invocation of the insurrection act to bring the national guard in would absolutely

00:29:46.140 be warranted in these instances.

00:29:48.760 And for any of the groups that are involved in organizing this, uh, then you could absolutely,

00:29:54.200 you could use the joint terrorism task force to go after them.

00:29:56.400 Um, third, and this is actually, it's, it's a good DC, uh, you know, sort of trivia thing.

00:30:01.400 So people know, uh, the RICO act, right?

00:30:03.820 Uh, the racketeering act.

00:30:06.100 So the RICO act and people say, why don't you use RICO against Antifa?

00:30:09.320 And, uh, interestingly enough, there's something I didn't even know until recently that because

00:30:14.740 RICO was famously enacted against the mafia, uh, RICO requires a list of a, of certain predicate

00:30:21.680 crimes in order to be invoked.

00:30:23.940 Well, as it turns out, because those predicate crimes were designed for mafia, mafioso, mob

00:30:29.180 organizations, Giuliani, of course, uses smash the five families in New York.

00:30:33.040 Like, rioting is not one of those predicate crimes currently.

00:30:37.420 So this is an area where a legislative fix, and I believe Senator Cruz actually has a bill

00:30:42.480 in, in the Senate about this.

00:30:44.220 And there's some other folks in the house that have talked about it as well.

00:30:47.160 This could be a very quick update that's done to the, the RICO act, just to add rioting

00:30:52.660 as one of the predicate crimes to be able to start an entire racketeering investigation

00:30:56.740 into the organization and everything they touch.

00:30:59.600 And sure, and by the way, if the media tells us that they don't exist, then they shouldn't

00:31:03.080 have any problem with this, would they?

00:31:04.580 Yeah, exactly.

00:31:06.140 Just like, uh, legals voting and getting healthcare. 0.99

00:31:09.000 No, it doesn't exist, right?

00:31:10.080 They, when they just show up on the school board in Iowa making $300,000 a year.

00:31:13.560 What a job, by the way.

00:31:14.760 What a job.

00:31:15.760 Nice work if you can get it, I suppose.

00:31:17.400 So I think we should go to the audience and give you guys a chance to talk to Jack over

00:31:21.800 here.

00:31:22.300 Are there any questions we can go to, or should I keep on going?

00:31:26.000 We got a microphone coming through.

00:31:27.440 Hey Jack, so you mentioned a lot of instances of transgender violence.

00:31:34.780 Charlie is the big case, of course.

00:31:36.780 What about transgenderism do you think engenders such violence? 1.00

00:31:41.960 Well, I do think that, that it's kind of what I was talking about earlier, right?

00:31:45.100 I think the fundamental issue with transgenderism is that denial of reality and that break with 1.00

00:31:51.320 reality and there's, you know, there's, there's kind of that 4chan meme about it, um, which

00:31:56.420 is a terrible site.

00:31:57.560 I don't know anything about it.

00:31:58.620 I definitely wouldn't recommend anyone go there where it says you will never be a real

00:32:02.540 woman.

00:32:02.860 And that, that really strikes itself to the heart of the matter that because these individuals

00:32:11.740 and some of them obviously have mental issues and there's no question, um, but because as

00:32:17.280 a society, we've now, we decided to enable these mental, mental disorders and give them 0.96

00:32:25.820 parades rather than, uh, try to get them the help that they need.

00:32:29.140 And in some cases, the institutionalization that they need, uh, they're then given hormone,

00:32:33.540 uh, you know, hormone injections.

00:32:35.500 Uh, of course, big pharma loves that.

00:32:37.980 And they are put on this path where it lowers their inhibitions.

00:32:43.020 It increases, obviously increases cortisol levels.

00:32:46.240 So it creates all sorts of chemical imbalances in the brain as well as enabling this, this insane

00:32:52.000 ideation to the point where ultimately they realize, you know, they realize that deep down,

00:32:59.140 they can never actually achieve the thing that they want.

00:33:02.200 And so what does this breed? 0.69

00:33:02.920 It breeds resentment and self-loathing turned out the self-loathing, the resentment, the

00:33:08.100 anger.

00:33:08.780 So anger itself, anger at the world, anger at God for creating the world.

00:33:12.660 And then eventually this turns them into angry at anyone who has that, which, uh, which they

00:33:19.740 crave, which is, which is happiness and, and being a, a, you know, self-actualized individual.

00:33:25.080 And so, uh, they, they will sit there and claim that it's about equality or that it's

00:33:30.600 about justice.

00:33:31.280 It's about equity.

00:33:32.220 It's about, you know, take your pick of an issue, inclusion, diversity, uh, housing rights,

00:33:37.520 what healthcare in the case of Luigi Maggioni.

00:33:39.540 No, no, it's not that it's always resentment.

00:33:42.360 And then the weaponization of envy as a political system and, and transgenderism, uh, unfortunately,

00:33:49.340 because of all these chemical imbalances, because of this, this direct denial of reality

00:33:54.720 itself.

00:33:55.180 It's why, by the way, at the same token, um, that violence is not always directed outwards.

00:34:00.580 In fact, much more frequently, it's directed inward where I believe, uh, one of the, you

00:34:05.300 know, there's a study that says 41% of transgender individuals will attempt suicide at some point.

00:34:11.140 Yeah, at its, at its core, at its beginning is the denial of creation, denial of who they

00:34:18.960 are.

00:34:19.240 And it's hard to get around that kind of mental illness.

00:34:21.740 And that's kind of self-loathing and that rejection of God.

00:34:24.100 Absolutely.

00:34:24.780 And you know, it, it, it just goes to say, like, we used to have horror movies about this

00:34:31.140 and this, it used to be very well understood that someone who's on that path is clearly experiencing

00:34:37.520 some kind of break with reality, someone with multiple personality disorder or some form

00:34:42.180 of schizophrenia.

00:34:42.740 Uh, there's, uh, the movie Psycho is directly about this, the movie Silence of the Lambs

00:34:48.820 about this.

00:34:49.340 See, there's some of the biggest movies that Hollywood has ever done.

00:34:53.040 And I don't remember any, but if you put one movie out like that today, they would say,

00:34:57.500 oh, you can't do that because that's anti-trans.

00:35:00.220 Exactly.

00:35:00.720 You're not allowed to talk about that anymore.

00:35:03.180 Another question?

00:35:04.380 There we go.

00:35:09.960 Good evening, Jack.

00:35:10.740 Good evening, Jack.

00:35:10.840 Matthew Kipta, I'm the chairman of the D.C. Young Republicans.

00:35:13.700 Good to see you here tonight.

00:35:16.160 We're, I want to say about a month after Charlie's assassination.

00:35:19.980 It'll be a month tomorrow.

00:35:21.760 I think when you have an opportunity like this to go after the left as a national and maybe

00:35:28.260 of an international ecosystem, the first 30 to 60 days are very important.

00:35:33.760 The administration has obviously announced some great stuff.

00:35:36.640 They may have done some great stuff.

00:35:38.600 Where do you rate them as we come up on the 30-day mark on what are the great things that

00:35:45.540 have been done and what is undone that you would now turn your influence to push for and

00:35:50.280 that people in this room can, in their own way, push for?

00:35:53.080 Thank you.

00:35:54.060 Yeah, no, great question.

00:35:54.980 And, you know, look, it's horrible that it would take something as nightmarish as this

00:36:03.880 to, you know, to really get the ball rolling.

00:36:07.260 And, you know, you could say about anything good that happens, you know, I wish that it

00:36:12.360 happened earlier, right?

00:36:13.400 But in this case, boy, I really do, you know, wish these declarations had gone out earlier.

00:36:18.740 I'm not saying that it would have stopped it from happening.

00:36:21.540 I don't like to play that game of, you know, what if.

00:36:24.540 It's not good mentally either, by the way.

00:36:26.100 Don't do that.

00:36:27.340 C.S. Lewis talks about that.

00:36:29.200 And the designation is fantastic.

00:36:33.880 The roll-up of many of the cities, the National Guard deployments have been incredible.

00:36:39.260 The activation of the Joint Terrorism Task Forces.

00:36:41.480 Because in many of these areas, particularly on the East Coast and the West Coast, where

00:36:44.780 you have very well-developed Antifa networks, there's always somebody sort of, you know,

00:36:50.460 in the back of one of those JTTFs, the, you know, and do you guys know what JTTFs do I

00:36:55.340 or am I, or, okay, I can explain.

00:36:57.280 It's, that's where local police and federal law enforcement will work together in a fusion

00:37:02.880 cell.

00:37:03.360 These were really created, you know, sort of prior to 9-11, but after 9-11, they really

00:37:09.160 exploded because the idea was we can share information in these areas and get away from

00:37:14.420 the stove piping of intelligence if there is an actual, an information, if there is an

00:37:18.700 actual credible terrorist threat to the country.

00:37:21.860 They work in concert with the NCTC, which has an incredible director by the name of Joe

00:37:25.500 Kent, who works, of course, with our incredible DNI, Tulsi Gabbard.

00:37:29.000 Now, there's always a guy somewhere in the back of one of the gang intelligence units

00:37:34.460 at the JTTF.

00:37:35.760 It might be a local cop.

00:37:36.820 It might be someone who just, you know, has an ax to grind with it or for whatever reason

00:37:41.340 just wants to do the right thing, who has a database of these individuals in their area

00:37:47.260 that are operating in their AOR.

00:37:49.020 We know in the Pacific Northwest, they go between Pittsburgh, or excuse me, Portland and Seattle.

00:37:54.420 We know that on the East Coast, they travel between New York, Philadelphia, and D.C.

00:38:00.600 Boston is particularly its own cell, but Boston and New York have some comorbidities, if you

00:38:07.000 will.

00:38:08.420 And so I would just ratchet it up.

00:38:11.820 I would say take all of that, ratchet it up, and the foreign terrorist designation, which,

00:38:17.840 you know, and look, the President of the United States put it down.

00:38:20.560 He said that he wants it to happen, so, you know, for the rest of the White House staff,

00:38:24.820 let's get it done.

00:38:25.580 Let's get that signed, and then actually start taking the fight, not just to the individuals

00:38:30.380 in the street, but the individuals who are funding it, the money chains that go back to

00:38:34.520 these corrupt NGOs.

00:38:35.840 Think of it.

00:38:37.620 You don't have to do show of hands, but for those of us who are here on President Trump's

00:38:42.580 first inauguration on January 20th, 2017, there was a massive Antifa violent attack on that

00:38:52.040 inauguration.

00:38:53.320 Remember, you know, we were told that, you know, Gen 6 was not the peaceful transfer of

00:38:57.860 power, but nobody talks about Disrupt J20, which was the Antifa attack on Trump's first

00:39:02.780 inauguration.

00:39:03.680 I was attacked.

00:39:04.860 It was a wild night.

00:39:05.940 What happened to you?

00:39:06.800 I would just chase, chased by a mob, and fortunately, I was not the one wearing heels.

00:39:11.260 Oh, my gosh.

00:39:12.100 My date had to kick off her heels. 1.00

00:39:14.020 I mean, it was easy to target people.

00:39:15.400 Was this the night before or the night of?

00:39:16.940 Inaugural night.

00:39:17.640 Inaugural night.

00:39:18.220 Yeah, I got dragged out to the parties, which are always overcrowded and kind of a mess,

00:39:21.600 but if you're wearing a tuxedo, I mean, they know which side you're on.

00:39:26.900 So, in the mass arrest, and I had infiltrated the Antifa cell prior to then.

00:39:32.680 I was not quite as well-known back then or recognizable back then, so I was sitting in a church right

00:39:38.640 here in Northwest D.C., and they were going through all their plans, and if you wanted

00:39:42.580 to do direct action, it was over here.

00:39:44.220 It was very well organized.

00:39:45.180 People were bussed in from all over the country.

00:39:47.000 Back then, you were able to just kind of sneak in?

00:39:49.080 I literally just walked in.

00:39:50.280 I don't think that would work anymore.

00:39:51.360 No, no, not so much.

00:39:52.200 But that's, I mean, gosh, it's almost a decade ago, and all of those people who were mass

00:40:01.720 arrested for attacking President Trump's first inauguration violently, smashing limos,

00:40:10.280 setting them on fire, setting other cars on fire, smashing Starbuckses, smashing McDonald's.

00:40:16.000 They blocked 395, and I was on 395 with my now wife and my brother.

00:40:22.880 He's always been my brother, and he also continues to be my brother, and so they block it.

00:40:30.920 We're like two cars back from the roadblock, and I just, of course, jump out and start filming

00:40:35.300 because it's me and get in their faces, and all, but I want to explain.

00:40:41.760 This was the final statement on that.

00:40:46.520 Not only were all of their convictions overturned or the charges overturned, the ACLU then came

00:40:54.000 in and sued the government of D.C., the city of D.C., on behalf of Antifa, and they were

00:41:00.700 awarded, I believe it was $1.7 million for unlawful arrest by the city of D.C.

00:41:08.800 So if you're a D.C. taxpayer, or you were at the time, then your tax money went into the

00:41:13.540 pocket of Antifa, paying them for their attack on President Trump's first inauguration.

00:41:21.420 That is how bad this situation is, and when you ask me, what else can we do, we have so

00:41:28.100 much work to do to tear this out root and stem from the entire system.

00:41:32.820 I think we probably have time for one more question, if you have time.

00:41:35.800 I've got some stuff to get to.

00:41:37.300 Oh, yeah, no, I have plenty of time.

00:41:40.520 I'm good.

00:41:41.500 Oh, thanks.

00:41:41.900 Hi, Jack.

00:41:42.960 First, we all lost Charlie.

00:41:46.200 I didn't know him personally, but I know for you, you lost your friend, and I'm so sorry

00:41:49.860 for your loss, and thank you for, you know, talking about him as a person and how you really

00:41:55.240 knew him.

00:41:55.580 You know, when he died, when he was murdered, there was that initial shock of, like, what

00:42:01.380 this horrible, horrible thing that we saw happen to Charlie, but very, very soon after

00:42:06.900 that, there was the horror of the way the whole country, half the country was talking

00:42:13.300 about him, the horrible things that were, like, out of no, you know, like, this far right,

00:42:18.040 this hate-filled thing, this was not a Charlie that I had ever seen or ever heard.

00:42:23.160 Conversely, I also heard him described as, like, some podcaster.

00:42:26.960 So, somehow there's a message that he's horrible and everyone knows it, and also, oh, he's a 0.89

00:42:33.400 no one, no one listens to it.

00:42:35.900 It feels intentional, and do you have any feeling for, like, you know, who's creating

00:42:41.540 this message?

00:42:42.240 Like, who's in charge of this far-left attack on our values?

00:42:46.200 Who's in charge of shaping this narrative or trying to shape a narrative, whether it's

00:42:51.020 about Charlie or about you or about any of us?

00:42:53.780 Like, is it, do you think it's coming from D.C.?

00:42:56.660 Do you think it's coming from donors or some think tank?

00:43:00.100 Like, it's a really strange thing to me to get my brain around.

00:43:03.640 Yeah, no, I mean, it's an ecosystem, but keep in mind, you're also dealing with, it's

00:43:08.780 certainly an ecosystem of the far-left.

00:43:11.760 You've got, you know, Steve Jobs' widow, Lorraine Powell Jobs, who, you know, who's bankrolling

00:43:17.680 the Atlantic right now and has hired a ton of people from some of the worst places in

00:43:22.360 the entire country.

00:43:24.140 You're talking about, like, SPLC-level just hate merchants now being hired over at the

00:43:31.880 Atlantic and places like this.

00:43:34.480 And so you can point to those specific outlets and talk about them, but what you're also really

00:43:40.920 dealing with, keep in mind, is cognitive dissonance.

00:43:44.500 And the cognitive dissonance there is that, well, Charlie Kirk must be a fascist because 0.94

00:43:49.600 he supports Donald Trump. 0.97

00:43:50.920 And I know Donald Trump is a fascist because that's what the TV tells me every night. 0.96

00:43:54.960 That's what The Washington Post tells me. 0.98

00:43:56.340 That's what CNN tells me.

00:43:57.620 That's what MSNBC tells me. 0.99

00:43:59.340 Donald Trump and Donald Trump supporters must be fascists. 0.94

00:44:02.600 And if they, and because they are fascists, then yes, it's, you know, they sort of know 0.97

00:44:08.180 instinctively that they have to say, we don't think that he should have been killed.

00:44:12.660 And then you, and then you know what comes next.

00:44:14.300 There's always that, but, and even Barack Obama did that.

00:44:19.800 When, when Barack Obama was asked about this, he, he said, we don't go into political violence,

00:44:25.260 but, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

00:44:27.340 And he, he then went into this litany of smears of Charlie Kirk, and just, just in some cases 0.84

00:44:34.900 outright lies, claiming that, claiming that Charlie had said, quote unquote, black women 0.99

00:44:40.180 have substandard brains or something like this. 0.99

00:44:43.940 And, which is not true at all. 0.81

00:44:45.660 He did say Michelle Obama, Tanji Brown Jackson, but those are, but again, he did not say all,

00:44:52.920 like all black women. 0.99

00:44:54.120 And so this, they, they do this over and over and over again, because for them to have to

00:45:00.940 admit that a good man was killed, that a, a family man, a Christian man, someone who they

00:45:08.160 disagreed with, but a good man was killed, this would be an entire repudiation of their

00:45:14.900 whole project, because leftist politics is based and rooted in resentment.

00:45:19.220 However, there's also this interesting game they play where they never admit it.

00:45:23.820 They never admit it to themselves, you know, and I'm, and I'm sure you've seen all the signs

00:45:27.700 or, you know, heard the refrain from some Redditor or some like suburban woman, you know, 1.00

00:45:32.580 just be a good effing person, right?

00:45:35.140 You know, and they scream it over and over and over.

00:45:37.680 And in their mind, to be good means to be associated with all the things of the left.

00:45:44.100 And to be quote unquote bad is to be associated with all the things of the right.

00:45:49.620 And I could sit here for years and talk about, or hours, I should say, and talk about how

00:45:53.580 many years this has been in the making.

00:45:55.340 I actually track a lot of it back to Jon Stewart and the Daily Show, because he was one of the

00:46:00.660 first people that came up in America who started talking about politics, because he didn't

00:46:05.080 know anything about politics.

00:46:06.140 And, but he knew about sports.

00:46:08.300 So he started talking about sport politics as if it was just, you know, sports teams.

00:46:13.420 And so the Democrats were like the left were like the good ones and the right were the bad

00:46:18.220 ones.

00:46:18.580 And so we're against those guys.

00:46:20.720 And he also, by the way, is one of one of the people who shut down one of the last shows

00:46:27.540 that existed in America where both sides would talk to each other.

00:46:31.280 And that was Crossfire with with an appearance that he made when Tucker Carlson, a very young

00:46:35.700 Tucker Carlson, bow ties, Tucker Carlson.

00:46:38.540 Yeah, baby, baby Tucker was the host.

00:46:40.820 And he would, you know, he would yell and say, how dare you?

00:46:43.720 You guys are the problem.

00:46:45.040 But what were they doing?

00:46:46.040 That was so problematic.

00:46:46.840 They were sitting down and having a cordial discussion about the issues and certainly

00:46:51.900 disagreeing.

00:46:52.640 But they would this was the really the last show in America where you would see that that

00:46:57.040 doesn't exist anymore anywhere on the higher level.

00:46:59.940 And one of the people who may have been trying to bring that back and in some way or in a

00:47:03.580 modern form was Charlie by saying, look, if we disagree, then prove me wrong.

00:47:08.980 Come and and and if I've said something that is you believe is misinformation, then what

00:47:14.000 better way to have that out than having a debate on a college campus, the the literal

00:47:18.740 modern public square.

00:47:20.700 And let's let's have a chat and figure it out.

00:47:23.320 And he would always say, if you disagree, come to the front.

00:47:28.280 And if someone was there, he wouldn't berate them and he wouldn't make fun of them because

00:47:31.120 you know, I probably would.

00:47:34.060 But but it's hard to have his patience.

00:47:37.220 It's very hard.

00:47:37.800 He was very patient.

00:47:38.400 And he would he would say, hey, you know, if he would see someone was nervous, he would

00:47:43.180 say, hey, it's OK.

00:47:44.580 Take your time.

00:47:45.300 Think about what you want to say.

00:47:46.360 Guys, no heckling.

00:47:47.620 He would always let them let them have their, you know, have their say.

00:47:51.040 And he would try to meet the person rather than just argue with them.

00:47:55.180 So to answer your question, you know, where does it come from?

00:47:57.980 It comes from this belief, which is completely widespread on the left and poll after poll

00:48:03.040 after poll shows this, that they, to a great extent, don't look at us as people.

00:48:09.980 They look at us as some sort of sub creature.

00:48:12.760 They look at us as cavemen.

00:48:14.060 They look at us as people who are are not as as progressive and elite.

00:48:20.200 Yeah, we're on the wrong side of history.

00:48:21.600 And we have the same values as those, you know, those poor inbred hicks in middle America. 1.00

00:48:27.980 You know, you know, crawling around on their hands and knees and living off of like the

00:48:33.320 bugs or something, which is what they actually think of of middle America, which is a great

00:48:39.200 part.

00:48:39.500 I'm from Pennsylvania.

00:48:40.180 So, I mean, I, I, I know that part of the country and they're good people.

00:48:46.000 And I've traveled the country, of course, over the last 10 years and met so many of them.

00:48:50.380 And J.D. Vance, by the way, is a living repudiation of everything they say about people from that

00:48:55.260 part of the world, but, or that part of America.

00:48:58.740 But, you know, it's, it's like on the one text message thread.

00:49:02.340 And I joked about the indictment of, of Letitia James, which I completely support, by the way.

00:49:07.920 And by the way, I'll say this on Letitia James, because I know it's, it's, it's going viral.

00:49:12.820 And I think we're live.

00:49:13.900 Political lawfare must be responded to with exact reciprocity, because if it is not, then

00:49:26.100 there is no incentive for them to ever do it again.

00:49:30.720 What do I mean by this?

00:49:32.060 That if you don't respond to the James Comeys and the Letitia James and the Fannie Willises 0.96

00:49:37.040 and the John Brennans and the Clappers, and, and you guys all know the list, if you don't

00:49:41.460 respond in, in kind, what's to stop them from doing it again?

00:49:46.540 What's to stop them from doing it again to a J.D. Vance or a Marco Rubio or a Pete Hegseth

00:49:52.500 or a Tulsi, whoever, right?

00:49:54.020 Whoever.

00:49:55.660 Nothing will stop them.

00:49:56.680 And, and so you have to go toe to toe, not with reprisals, not with reactionism, reactionary-ism,

00:50:06.080 but with exact reciprocity to say, we are willing to achieve mutually assured destruction.

00:50:14.780 And, you know, Chris, you mentioned earlier about how at some point you have to defend

00:50:19.760 civilization and you, there must be order for liberty to, you know, to flourish.

00:50:24.680 And this, this idea that we have a, we have rule of law, when you mess around with the rule

00:50:30.740 of law, when you mess around with the justice system, when you create multiple tiers of justice,

00:50:34.340 justice, this is the exact, the exact function that destabilizes a society that can lead you

00:50:43.120 careening towards civil war.

00:50:44.980 Because if your justice system doesn't work, if your government system doesn't work, if

00:50:50.240 laws are only followed by certain people, are only applied to certain people and not

00:50:55.060 others, then eventually people start to think that a government doesn't have legitimacy.

00:50:59.180 And if they could think that the government doesn't have legitimacy, there is a tendency

00:51:03.100 to take matters into their own hands.

00:51:05.040 I've been thinking about Lincoln's speech at the Lyceum, which we studied together as

00:51:08.120 fellows.

00:51:08.340 Yes, that's right.

00:51:09.060 And how it applies today.

00:51:10.820 Bleeding Kansas.

00:51:12.140 You know, bleeding Kansas is, is, it's been on my mind a lot lately.

00:51:16.500 I'll just say it's been on my mind a lot.

00:51:17.940 And I don't want, this country has gone to that place before, and I hope to God that

00:51:24.780 we don't go anywhere close to that ever again.

00:51:27.420 But you can see a lot of parallels.

00:51:30.680 To leave folks with something to look forward to and to tune into, you're actively involved

00:51:35.200 in the work to continue Charlie's legacy and to continue his, continue his work.

00:51:39.780 The Charlie Kirk show, you're, you're frequently there.

00:51:43.300 You, the great Andrew Colvett, the wonderful Blake Neff.

00:51:46.700 What, what can people look to for the future of that show and the voice and what's going

00:51:52.460 to be coming at a turning point in these coming weeks, months, and years and the leadership

00:51:57.320 that it's going to provide and what you, where you guys intend to, where you, where you

00:52:00.500 see yourselves in a tragically post-Charlie world moving forward.

00:52:04.720 Yeah, no, um, well, as, as a matter of fact, you know, since it is a Thursday night, uh,

00:52:09.520 it is thought crime Thursday and I, I'm actually going to be hosting thought crime on, uh, the

00:52:15.080 Charlie Kirk show in just, uh, just about an hour here.

00:52:17.760 Um, and graciously CPI has, uh, allowed me to do that from their, their, uh, studio, great

00:52:23.000 studio across the street here.

00:52:24.860 And, uh, you know, the, the mission continues, the thought crimes will continue and we will

00:52:31.800 continue to break taboos.

00:52:33.440 We will continue, uh, to fight that fight in terms of the show.

00:52:37.640 As far as the organization, it's, it's been so incredible to, and horrifying at the same

00:52:45.740 time with, to have Erica, who's someone who, I've always been, you know, friends with Erica.

00:52:53.860 I've always considered her a friend.

00:52:55.180 Uh, she's, she and my wife are very close and, uh, her guidance through this, her steadfastness,

00:53:03.780 her, her sorrow, which she's shown, uh, and certainly, uh, being there in the office and

00:53:11.480 she comes, she comes into the office, she comes into the office and, and, and works.

00:53:16.220 And obviously there's lots of decisions that need to be made and decision points, but,

00:53:20.000 but the big decision, the question, do you continue?

00:53:24.740 Not a single one of us had a doubt about that because we know what Charlie would have wanted

00:53:29.220 in terms of that.

00:53:30.660 Keep going.

00:53:32.520 Keep the mission alive.

00:53:35.120 Keep fighting.

00:53:36.140 And so that's why, you know, that's why I'm, I'm here tonight.

00:53:39.440 That's why I'm glad you guys all came out tonight, even, even knowing that these are

00:53:43.140 the odds we're up against.

00:53:44.580 Uh, that's why tomorrow night I'll be going with a number of other people from turning 0.99

00:53:48.000 point, uh, Benny Johnson and some of our frequent, uh, collaborators like Cliff Maloney

00:53:52.460 and, uh, Scott Presser.

00:53:53.660 We're going to get involved in the New Jersey governor's race.

00:53:56.080 We're going to be up there in, in Wildwood, New Jersey.

00:53:59.080 It's about time someone paid attention to New Jersey because the people always forget and

00:54:02.640 it's always much closer.

00:54:03.580 It's, I feel like, uh, Scott, I got to give credit.

00:54:06.040 Scott Presser on this.

00:54:07.360 Cause it's such a good line.

00:54:08.160 He said, Pennsylvania is the new Ohio and New Jersey is the new Pennsylvania.

00:54:13.100 And if you look at the voting patterns of this, every single County in New Jersey in

00:54:18.420 the 2024 election shifted, right?

00:54:20.700 And Jack Cittarelli, who's a fantastic candidate up against Mickey Shirley, who's just a horrible

00:54:25.960 candidate.

00:54:26.360 It's just an absolute, uh, disgraceful candidate, you know, lied about our Naval Academy situation

00:54:32.720 and won't release her records and all the insider training from Congress.

00:54:36.040 Uh, he's got a real chance and he's got, he's within striking distance.

00:54:39.280 So we're going to get involved there.

00:54:40.720 The mission continues on campus where the numbers, they send me new numbers every week

00:54:45.360 and I can't even keep track of them.

00:54:46.660 It's a lot.

00:54:47.800 You know, it's, we've had a lot of new chapters and new signups, hundreds of thousands.

00:54:52.020 I think we're, the number I do, I do remember that I saw this morning, they quote unquote

00:54:57.020 official number they gave us.

00:54:58.620 We are now turning point USA high school, college chapter.

00:55:02.480 We are now at 800,000 student members, 800,000, which is just, just unbelievable.

00:55:14.140 It's, I don't even, I can't even comprehend that many students having signed up to some

00:55:20.200 form of, of turning point.

00:55:21.740 And that doesn't even include what we do on turning point action on the C4 side or a turning

00:55:26.500 point faith, which is done in the faith community.

00:55:29.600 And, uh, so that, that continues.

00:55:32.220 I mentioned the president yesterday.

00:55:34.060 We had 6,000 people when we went back to Utah because we are not canceling the tour.

00:55:40.240 We are continuing the tour.

00:55:41.620 So we had 6,200 people.

00:55:43.260 We went back to Utah, 4,000, actually about 4,500 in Montana, 4,000 people in Montana.

00:55:50.780 I didn't even know there were 4,000.

00:55:51.820 I'm sorry.

00:55:52.320 I'm sorry.

00:55:53.260 Sorry.

00:55:53.620 I'm an East coast guy.

00:55:54.960 I'll get it out of me.

00:55:55.880 No, but we had 4,000 people in Montana.

00:55:58.720 The tour is absolutely continuing and we are getting, we're getting, you know, all of Charlie's

00:56:04.460 friends to get involved and perhaps even a certain, uh, a certain bearded member.

00:56:10.240 Of the current White House will be, will be part of that tour.

00:56:14.460 You know, we'll, we'll see if, uh, something like that happens.

00:56:17.080 And, uh, actually earlier today.

00:56:18.640 So, so the campus organizing continues, the politicking continues.

00:56:21.980 And earlier today we announced that, uh, the culture war will continue.

00:56:27.840 And, and if you guys hadn't seen this, uh, the media is losing their minds over it before

00:56:32.080 they were losing their minds about the Letitia James indictment that we announced we are going

00:56:36.240 to be holding a competing halftime show to Bad Bunny.

00:56:41.040 Uh, we are holding a, uh, all American halftime show, which I can, and I'm proud to report

00:56:48.120 will be held 100% in English.

00:56:51.220 So, so, so Bad Bunny, you have four months to learn English, not the other way around.

00:56:59.680 And, and it's, and it's, it's funny because, uh, you know, they have, you know, people always

00:57:04.320 say, you know, it's like, well, Charlie always loved this and Charlie always loved that.

00:57:07.060 Yeah.

00:57:07.160 Well, Charlie always hated the Superbowl halftime shows.

00:57:10.140 And yeah, exactly.

00:57:12.780 And well, no, Creed was never a Superbowl halftime show.

00:57:15.080 Oh, is it just a Dallas Cowboys?

00:57:16.020 Creed was a Dallas Cowboys Thanksgiving show.

00:57:18.320 And, and so I know, I know, I know.

00:57:21.460 And so just, you know, we got it, we got to keep it accurate around here.

00:57:24.340 And, uh, you know, I know I tweeted out a couple of weeks ago, wouldn't it be, you know,

00:57:28.020 would it be a shame if Turning Point held a halftime show with Creed?

00:57:32.180 Um, no announcements.

00:57:34.260 I can't make any announcements right now.

00:57:36.100 All I can say is there are conversations.

00:57:38.400 We've been guessing in the lineup all day and I can't wait to see it.

00:57:41.020 There are conversations, but yeah, and we have a poll up.

00:57:43.220 So if you can go to, uh, what is the site?

00:57:44.860 American halftimeshow.com and you can vote on different genres of music.

00:57:49.060 There's country, there's classic rock.

00:57:50.440 Yes.

00:57:50.640 Rap, if you're into that, um, that's there.

00:57:53.200 And then the number one bullet though, is anything in English, which is phenomenal because

00:57:59.500 no, by the way, the, the Superbowl halftime show, the left understands cultural dominance.

00:58:03.000 And in the wake of George Floyd and the BLM moment, the, the NFL in a, a very cowardly move

00:58:09.480 signed an ex, an exclusivity deal.

00:58:12.120 And people don't realize this.

00:58:13.160 They signed an exclusivity deal with who?

00:58:15.260 Rock Nation.

00:58:16.200 What is Rock Nation?

00:58:17.280 This is the record management and production company that is controlled by Jay-Z and Beyonce.

00:58:22.520 So Jay-Z and Beyonce, the best friends of Barack and Michelle Obama, they have exclusive

00:58:28.240 control over who gets to perform at the Superbowl halftime show.

00:58:31.960 And I believe that contract, it goes, I think until 2026, possibly even 2029, the left ran

00:58:39.000 the table on us culturally while the right was asleep at the wheel.

00:58:42.820 And I could sit here and I could complain about it and I could whine about it, but you know

00:58:46.780 what?

00:58:47.580 Look, we've got turning point.

00:58:48.880 We're going to put on our own show and we are going to fight them tooth and nail.

00:58:52.300 We're going to fight fire with fire.

00:58:53.780 And we are going to put on the best, I can't say legally, I can't say the other event that's

00:59:00.100 going on, but we are going to be putting on the best American halftime show that's ever

00:59:05.260 been seen.

00:59:06.000 I can't wait.

00:59:08.340 Jack, thank you for taking the time.

00:59:10.140 Thank you for joining us tonight.

00:59:11.440 Chris, always a pleasure, my friend.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - October 14, 2025

Charlie Kirk and the Mission Ahead

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