Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Charlie Kirk & Jack Posobiec - The First Podcast

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth-generation warfare.

00:00:40.640 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:47.280 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:50.320 Christ is king!

00:00:51.900 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to today's special edition here of Human Events Daily.

00:00:56.940 We're going back to the Human Events archives, way back to actually the very first year of

00:01:03.560 Human Events Daily, and in fact, a very special podcast that we did.

00:01:09.420 So when Human Events first started, we were part of Turning Point Live, and one of the

00:01:14.180 things that I was doing was going around and interviewing all the people who were associated

00:01:18.440 with Turning Point Live, and of course, one of those people was Charlie Kirk.

00:01:24.660 so what we have here is we wanted to go back into the archives and it was recorded believe it or not

00:01:30.640 December 2021 and we've got the first ever podcast of Jack Posobiec and Charlie Kirk and you know a

00:01:40.720 lot of people may have thought that Charlie and I ah those guys they're two Trump supporters they're

00:01:44.840 two conservatives what are they ever going to disagree on it's just going to be a bunch of

00:01:48.680 you know a bunch of you know glowy and and fluffy talk about maga and trump well we started out that

00:01:57.000 way a little bit but then charlie for the record charlie started this he made a crack about me

00:02:03.800 being a catholic so being a philly guy i had to respond in kind and what ensued was one of uh

00:02:13.140 The first of many great sparring debates that Charlie and I would have with each other.

00:02:20.860 I'm going to play that for you now.

00:02:23.620 Okay, we are very excited.

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00:02:28.240 A very tough get for us here at our scrappy little Human Events Daily production.

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00:02:42.280 Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA, the host of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:47.680 We've got you here for Human Events Daily.

00:02:50.420 And so, Charlie, when I go on your show and I've seen people respond, they say they like, they're like, you guys did like you because you kind of unpack things and you go deeper about it.

00:02:59.580 And, you know, we'll make references to things.

00:03:02.380 We'll get into different stuff.

00:03:03.540 But we're always kind of driven by the news of the day.

00:03:05.580 We're always kind of driven by reacting to whatever crazy thing has come out next, you know, CNN's up to whatever they're up to.

00:03:14.240 How did we get here?

00:03:16.900 And I don't just mean me and you or any of this.

00:03:18.400 I mean, how did the West go from the towering world power, right, the driver of actual, you know, progress and intellectual thought and industrialization in the world to this sort of corrupted, backward and really decaying kind of situation that we're in now?

00:03:41.420 What do you think?

00:03:42.360 Well, yeah, I think we've managed to hang ourselves with the rope of our own creation.

00:03:48.480 I'm a conservative that's unafraid to say that not everything that came out of the Enlightenment was good.

00:03:54.480 That's like a thought crime in some right circles.

00:03:56.520 I really don't care.

00:03:57.200 It's true.

00:03:58.180 The Enlightenment was great for some things, obviously.

00:04:00.980 David French is not going to like this podcast.

00:04:02.980 But, yeah, you have to be – first, the most important question is when do you think the Enlightenment began?

00:04:08.460 Right.

00:04:08.860 That's the most important question, right?

00:04:10.760 Yes.

00:04:11.040 And French would say that it began with like Spinoza or Galileo when it obviously started Machiavelli.

00:04:18.880 Right.

00:04:19.560 And Machiavelli – and maybe if French would agree with this, I don't want to put words in his mouth.

00:04:25.380 And his own words will suffice for prosecution against him of his thoughts, I should say.

00:04:29.880 Or we should say the Frenchist or a Frenchist might say.

00:04:33.600 Yeah, but it's really important because Niccolio Machiavelli in 1532, right, Conor?

00:04:38.160 Yeah. He wrote The Prince, and one of the most famous lines or sentiments was, why are we focusing so much on these imaginary republics, a direct stab towards Plato, like 2,000 years before?

00:04:50.640 Right.

00:04:50.880 And he's like, we know what we want. Why don't we just go get it?

00:04:54.660 Why don't we just take it?

00:04:55.640 Yeah, why don't we just go take it?

00:04:56.660 Now, this was considered to be really unthinkable in heavily Catholic-dominated Italy at the time and Europe where, you know, tradition and order and something that came before you that must always anchor you, this idea that you just can't be stumbling towards, you know, inevitable abyss. 0.99

00:05:16.820 And Machiavelli was like, that's stupid. 0.97

00:05:18.520 I know what we want. 1.00

00:05:19.300 Let's just go get it.

00:05:20.560 And in a lot of ways, he liberated political thought.

00:05:24.320 He was the first kind of political theorist.

00:05:26.580 Aristotle was, too, but definitely in Europe.

00:05:29.500 And Machiavelli is also known for his most famous line, you know, popularized by a lot of different people, which is the ends justify the means.

00:05:37.700 You hear that a lot.

00:05:38.620 That's kind of like very Machiavellian, but he wasn't wrong about everything.

00:05:42.260 He was right about a lot of different power dynamics.

00:05:44.280 And so I think that a lot of people, though, when they when they look at sort of, you know, whether you want to call this woke ism or, you know, we eventually find ourselves in the social justice era.

00:05:55.220 France, of course, found themselves there much faster.

00:05:57.160 Those are all symptoms.

00:05:58.980 The first the person who died.

00:06:00.360 Here's my thing, though.

00:06:01.120 They wouldn't say that they are being Machiavellian.

00:06:04.300 They're saying, hey, we're just trying to build a better world.

00:06:06.840 Yeah, just trying.

00:06:07.820 They're all living in Machiavelli's world, though.

00:06:09.940 I mean, Machiavelli, again, they stole a little from Rousseau.

00:06:13.580 they stole a little from Machiavelli. Plato even talked about imaginary republics and like this

00:06:17.640 idea of utopia, even though Machiavelli went after it. The point is this, to kind of like

00:06:21.880 de-philosophize this, because I could just see people being like, who are all these people?

00:06:25.060 It's not your job. You don't have to worry about it. Friedrich Nietzsche, he saw this coming before

00:06:29.820 anyone else, and he was willing to write about it. Now, he was an atheist, lost his mind towards

00:06:34.400 the end of his life, wrote extensively about kind of how the West needs to recreate its own values.

00:06:40.500 Now, it's really important because Nietzsche wrote God is dead.

00:06:42.840 He was not celebrating it.

00:06:44.260 He was lamenting.

00:06:44.580 A lot of people get this wrong.

00:06:45.920 Right.

00:06:46.120 He's lamenting.

00:06:46.720 He was lamenting.

00:06:47.640 And you know what I actually just read very recently?

00:06:50.720 It was one of the last things that Solzhenitsyn wrote.

00:06:55.500 Gulag archipelago.

00:06:56.620 And it ties directly into this because he said,

00:07:00.540 and after my five decades of writing about this revolution,

00:07:03.680 of course, the Russian Revolution,

00:07:05.160 and everything that happened and all the atrocities,

00:07:07.600 if you asked me to summarize ideology all of it into one thing he says it's that man forgot god

00:07:18.140 and replaced him with ideology sorry to steal your thunder on that but and that's and that's

00:07:22.880 i'm a solzhenitsyn and it's so it's amazing to see that you've got solzhenitsyn and nietzsche well

00:07:28.660 they're both looking at the same yeah and so the beginning and then one at the end so then nietzsche

00:07:33.660 Solzhenitsyn gave a speech, the Harvard commencement address.

00:07:37.420 Oh my gosh, I love this speech.

00:07:38.740 79, where's Conor?

00:07:40.620 I need Conor around here.

00:07:42.260 76, 77, 78.

00:07:43.480 Everybody needs to watch the speech.

00:07:44.480 Yeah, so it was delivered in Russian, and it was outdoors, and it rained, and whatever.

00:07:50.420 And everybody thought it was going to be this like,

00:07:52.540 Celebratory speech.

00:07:53.640 USSR is bad, the West is good, and Harvard is the leader of the West.

00:07:56.460 It was a eulogy of the West.

00:07:57.800 It was, you have become materialistic, all you care about is the here and now,

00:08:03.420 you're a totally secular you've totally cut yourself off from spiritual life and all you

00:08:08.140 care about is getting your next product uh you these atomized um atavistic relationships that

00:08:14.280 you have you treat people like commodities here and he really just came in and destroyed destroyed

00:08:21.480 what we think of as the west and obviously he was listened to a little bit people were just

00:08:26.540 kind of shocked and he gets this like pitter patter of wait what's going on yeah and i want

00:08:30.600 to find out the year that he gave that speech was actually really important um because it was right

00:08:35.060 when the soviet union was like falling or about to fall whatever the point is that people were

00:08:39.460 at the end was kind of in sight yeah and people were expecting a typical kind of dissident speech

00:08:46.180 from another country right like i was there it's bad and said it's like no no what's there is now

00:08:51.080 coming here and we could go through many other thinkers nietzsche and solzhenitsyn obviously

00:08:56.120 stand out so you ask the question how did we get here i mean the cult of progress over the last

00:09:02.420 500 years and that's not to say that improvements and adjustments have not been necessary nor

00:09:10.000 beneficial to the human experience right because i always hear people say this is it was started by

00:09:15.540 the industrial revolution no i think that's wrong i think and i think the industrial revolution

00:09:20.080 fuels it in many ways it exaggerated a lot of it we're this is talking we're talking about 300 years

00:09:26.660 prior yeah we're talking about again we can go back to Machiavelli and then after Machiavelli

00:09:31.880 you had the social contract theorists and the one that we overemphasize in conservative tradition is

00:09:38.460 John Locke yes the one we hate is Jean-Jacques Rousseau rightfully got everything basically

00:09:42.940 everything wrong my favorite part of Rousseau is when he says you know if we can just go back to

00:09:46.960 the natural world where all the animals are because they're in such harmony i'm like i mean

00:09:50.800 have you spent any time watching animals in the natural world right i mean and rousseau was a 0.97

00:09:56.520 super hypocrite and spent a lot of time in geneva switzerland doing things he shouldn't have done 0.72

00:10:00.520 but like he appeals to young people because super romantic and how he writes and he was a novelist 0.97

00:10:05.800 these guys i mean these guys are dreamers yeah and he led to the french revolution but the one

00:10:10.340 we don't talk about and we like that but i don't like that i don't like when those people are in

00:10:14.140 charge well obviously i mean yeah i mean you get robespierre if yes exactly you actually apply

00:10:20.640 you get the actual and remember the even the word terrorism right this comes from the french

00:10:25.680 revolution because we must institute terrorism to go after the counter-revolutionary and look i i'm

00:10:32.380 by no means an expert on this but i've studied enough to have an informed opinion and your people

00:10:37.620 like matt peterson or ryan williamson claremont would be much more articulate on this than i but

00:10:42.180 I agree with them, which is there was something that happened as soon as you have the Machiavelli's

00:10:48.200 political stake in the ground and then followed quickly, not by the industrial revolution,

00:10:52.320 by the scientific revolution.

00:10:53.720 Yes.

00:10:54.020 And this is the more important thing that we have to focus on, which is the science becoming

00:11:00.060 an actual thing, which is largely thanks to Sir Francis Bacon, who, by the way, was a

00:11:04.960 Christian.

00:11:05.300 It's debated, but he was a Christian.

00:11:06.660 Sir Isaac Newton, who was a devout Christian, wrote more about the prophecies of Isaiah

00:11:10.060 than actually the natural world.

00:11:11.680 But then you had philosophers that started to wrestle with this question.

00:11:16.080 Well, then, if we can dominate the natural world, what good is this religion?

00:11:20.140 I'm talking about people like Jeremy Bentham, John Stuart Mill, who weren't avowed atheists.

00:11:25.220 But then eventually, the man himself, who was, you know, obviously the most famous atheist, basically, who led to all the rest of them.

00:11:35.680 Oh, my goodness, I'm forgetting his name. He's from England.

00:11:38.320 I'll think of it in a sec, but sorry, go ahead.

00:11:39.720 not mill but no no not mill or bentham um i'll think of it in a second yeah but anyway so then

00:11:44.880 you get and of course you have the new atheist today right but hitchens and all these guys and

00:11:48.640 harris they all come from this tradition right and so and dawkins and so you have this situation

00:11:54.260 then where it is the here and now it's the natural world it's what's going on what's in front of my

00:12:01.060 face is the only thing that matters right and there's this is summed up there's a great meme

00:12:06.040 that's been going around that i love it's it's sort of the uh modernist thinking versus medieval

00:12:10.760 thinking have you seen this one yes and it's modernist thinking is birth life and it's like

00:12:16.360 this huge compendium of of the spectrum of life and then death is like another line and it just

00:12:21.220 says question mark afterwards where versus medieval thinking was birth then life very

00:12:26.920 quickly or actually first is knit in my mother's womb amazing um birth then life which are kind of

00:12:33.220 like equal and then eternity in heaven or hell and that's this huge broad never-ending stretch

00:12:40.020 so the i remember you said yes we essentially killed eternity right and that's that is what

00:12:46.360 nietzsche was talking about you get rid of god you get rid of eternity get rid of eternity you

00:12:50.160 get rid of judgment yes you get rid of judgment then all you're going to be worrying about is

00:12:54.240 number one the here and now you don't care about what happens afterwards but you also have this

00:12:59.420 situation where and you can see this throughout the world today where it's like secularists keep

00:13:05.640 trying to make their own religiosities of of science yes of the climate of whatever it is

00:13:14.080 right whatever's a veganism david david hume by the way yeah there you go it's so obvious uh can't

00:13:19.300 remember every name but i remember a lot about him so you're right and so this is where the founders

00:13:22.800 were brilliant and they weren't taken seriously so the founders knew that the balance between the

00:13:28.660 benefits of the enlightenment and the anchoring of antiquity was the only way that human civilization

00:13:34.200 right because you get and this is why it's so great that you have you have both jefferson

00:13:38.860 and hamilton yes basically they're they're kind of so jefferson goes all in on the french

00:13:44.220 revolution and then hamilton's like yeah you know what i mean yeah i mean the letters between him

00:13:49.000 and madison are the most right and then you've got hamilton out there saying no i i want a king

00:13:53.480 i want a monarchy we want all of this and so between the two you do get that yeah and madison

00:13:58.580 split the middle the the most interesting letters are the most famous edmund burke and thomas pain

00:14:02.740 going back and forth on this right where thomas pain was just like a revolutionary shopper he

00:14:07.060 liked the american revolution french revolution edmund burke was like i understand the american

00:14:11.540 revolution hated the french revolution but so let's take john adams for example right big john

00:14:16.220 adams fan he didn't write the u.s constitution but i was heavily you know instrumental in the

00:14:20.520 american founding the guy spoke spoke fluent hebrew he could read hebrew mm-hmm he there's a

00:14:26.840 reason why he said that the American project basically, or the constitution was made holy

00:14:33.840 for a moral and religious people. It's totally inadequate for the people of any other.

00:14:38.320 Right. Because you would have had in the society they were writing for, 0.78

00:14:42.620 you had a society that was based around the Bible in many ways.

00:14:47.440 It was the centerpiece of all existence. You know, anything, any dispute, you would go back,

00:14:53.120 you're quoting it um many of the original meetings are held in church halls for the revolution um

00:14:59.680 everybody sort of knew this was generally the shared set yeah and so yeah let's just let's

00:15:04.900 just be practical about this though for our audience right so the overton window is a great

00:15:09.840 way to look at this but like in 1800s america people say oh it's terrible there was slavery

00:15:14.460 even though it was on the way out it was terrible women couldn't vote even though that was you know

00:15:17.700 being solved and fixed but yes there were adjustments that obviously need to be made

00:15:21.020 but on the other side what were the what are the negatives over social progress in 200 years

00:15:27.580 i'll tell you how i'll tell you some of them where i talk to parents and they tell me yeah my 15 year

00:15:33.040 old is sexually active and i don't know what to do about it yeah or how about this we're like a

00:15:38.180 majority of young men in america are addicted to internet pornography billy eilish just came out

00:15:42.740 yeah it was amazing said that she's been in i don't know that she said she was addicted but

00:15:46.600 no she did what she said starting at age 11 11 and by the way that's why she's been so quasi demonic

00:15:52.100 and all of her and that she's been watching pornography she's 11 years and we know what

00:15:57.660 it does to the brain we know what it does to the individual we know it does what it does to you

00:16:01.880 know neuroplasticity we know all those things um and so the this was the founding father's

00:16:08.020 prediction which is and thomas jefferson talked about which is okay you're gonna have the ability

00:16:11.680 to do all this stuff you'll have tinder you'll have you'll have only fans yeah exactly all this

00:16:18.080 stuff what's to stop you and basically modernity says nothing go for it yeah you get the most

00:16:23.860 depressed suicidal drug addicted alcohol obese least productive miserable generation in history

00:16:30.320 and it's amazing too because we live even you know with everything else going on right now

00:16:36.080 can you think of a society that's more affluent than ours but that yeah that that's that's where

00:16:41.440 materially now if you want to go down to like where based conservatives are we're like so what

00:16:46.100 exactly and that's all of a sudden a thought crime now i'm not i'm not dismissing grocery

00:16:50.340 stores full of food i think that's a beautiful thing here's the thing right okay how do you have

00:16:54.420 grocery stores full of food which is a great thing you have and obviously the you know take

00:16:59.360 covet out of the of the equation we have a jobs market that is generally very very good uh we

00:17:04.500 have a standard of living that's beyond the average middle middle class person today has

00:17:10.740 things that the monarchs well yeah how about like electricity 1500s i be couldn't dream like

00:17:15.700 ibuprofen right just like i have a headache good luck trying to solve that at the same time at the

00:17:20.080 same time the the psychiatrist officer full the therapist officer full you can barely get them

00:17:25.260 everyone the mortgage full you're getting uh you're everyone's getting met on some medication

00:17:29.740 or another so we're depressed we're upset suicides are on the rise and yet we also live in such a time

00:17:36.000 of abundance how do you square it well i think they're directly correlated though i mean i think

00:17:40.620 that, first of all, the abundance was made possible quicker because we decided to forsake

00:17:47.600 a lot of moral guardrails, because we decided to redomicile industrial plants to China and not look

00:17:52.520 after our fellow countrymen, because we decided to act as if another screen is going to solve all

00:17:57.060 of our problems while not disciplining or actually raising our children, because we never ever wanted

00:18:01.780 to have a conversation about children being born out of wedlock or fathers not in the home or the

00:18:06.720 destruction of the church or the nonstop propaganda campaign against american christianity

00:18:11.220 which is everywhere who needs any of those things right exactly that doesn't contribute what i think

00:18:15.040 is interesting though is that and this is why jordan peterson was so popular and i think people

00:18:19.920 get jordan wrong and i have a lot of respect for him i know people on the far right don't like him

00:18:24.860 i don't know if you're a jordan fan or not i've heard some like weird criticisms i have i think

00:18:29.380 he's super smart i like him a lot he's a friend no no i like jordan but he's he is he is quite

00:18:33.360 canadian put it that way yeah and again i i really have no patience for a lot of the criticisms

00:18:38.440 i'll see things see things from him like i do i have i have all my vaccinations and i can't believe

00:18:43.420 they're not allowing me it's like jordan i don't listen to him literally right about not complying

00:18:48.500 with tyrannical regimes and then that's probably fair but the here's where i think jordan why

00:18:53.720 jordan got really popular but don't get me wrong don't get me wrong i've i've gone to see jordan

00:18:57.280 i have this book i've interviewed him let me tell you why i think he got popular and why i think he

00:19:02.200 resonated is that he pinpointed people were miserable. Yes. And he gave people a reasonable

00:19:09.220 platform to believe in ancient texts and religious structure. Yes. Where all of a sudden they were

00:19:16.320 like, oh, so, but by the way, I believe every word of the Bible, totally true inerrancy of scripture,

00:19:21.300 right? I believe in Jonah, the whale to the sea being parted, the whole thing. It's not allegorical.

00:19:26.200 It's literal. Okay. It's true. Okay. And you believe the same as a Catholic or you should,

00:19:30.580 um which is he literally was part of no of course it was obviously absolutely but the point is that

00:19:35.780 jordan didn't make a claim on that instead he said what is the deeper philosophical psychological

00:19:41.340 reason you should care about this and so explain to me how people writing the bible thousands and

00:19:47.660 thousands of years before any of this science or yes psychology or etc was was studied and they

00:19:55.640 got it all right it's because it's the word of god and i'll give you an example so let's talk

00:19:59.800 about the creation story right in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth so it says

00:20:03.960 very specifically that god created ex nihilo out of nothing right it's a hebrew word yes so one of

00:20:09.440 the ex nihilos was that god hovered over the darkness of the earth that's like a weird thing

00:20:15.440 to say right yes new science shows the earth was completely dark at some point that precisely what

00:20:26.460 it says that no matter what your creation story is big bang or whatever that there was darkness

00:20:32.180 over all the earth meaning clouds covered the entire earth there was no light right so my

00:20:36.380 i mean i even remember being a kid reading about you know so i'm reading the seven days of creation

00:20:40.920 and give well seven days being rest but then i always remember going to you know my teacher and

00:20:46.680 saying well what is a day in to god yeah and so this is this is hotly debated you know i'm a

00:20:53.440 literalist i believe i believe a day is a day and i could go into the actual hebrew of what a day is

00:20:58.260 but if you believe it's meaning a 24 hour but that's correct but it's actually completely

00:21:02.420 irrelevant and so what i also get though and i find amazing is every time and just get to the

00:21:07.520 point is every time we uncover something new about the creation of the planet it fits yes

00:21:13.740 every single time and even the stages that it goes well yeah every single one everything from

00:21:19.960 quarantining someone who's sick that's one of the levitical laws washing your hands before you eat

00:21:23.780 that's one of the levitical laws right these aren't like you know hey oh this is crazy stuff

00:21:28.580 no no really like don't don't do these things this is clean yes exactly and so but before they

00:21:34.780 had before germ theory was even before germ theory was even entertained by the thousands of years in

00:21:38.280 the 1400s and 1500s you had people that were bloodletting against levitical law right and if

00:21:44.720 they would have just followed what the bible was saying right the old testament was saying it very

00:21:48.980 well could have been informative there's actually a lot of that in um in natural health when it

00:21:52.920 comes to dietary standards they also point that out as well well if you eat kosher you will live

00:21:56.820 a better life there's no doubt now it's more expensive it doesn't taste as good it's twice 0.77

00:22:00.540 the price and half the taste is the joke you will be held like you totally your body was designed

00:22:05.160 for a specific if you don't eat shrimps mollusks i don't know who would eat a mollusk oysters or

00:22:09.940 like sea urchins every study shows that's way better for you there's full of bacteria it's

00:22:14.740 hard to digest yeah but also just like putting dairy on that of a meat it's not necessarily

00:22:19.580 great for you cheeseburgers are actually way worse for you than hamburgers i could go on and on and

00:22:23.220 on right the the dietary standards how to clean it beforehand and so anyway you ask the question

00:22:27.860 how is it that it's right well it's because it actually happened and that this book built

00:22:32.680 everything that we know so we took that book we you know the west took that book and said we're

00:22:38.120 gonna put this on the shelf we're gonna let accumulate dust we're gonna let the spider webs

00:22:41.720 crawl all over it while you're sure you can go to church on sunday and do whatever pray to your

00:22:46.060 cross or whatever but we are going to be over here building a much greater and stronger and

00:22:50.900 more powerful and again that's why i pinpoint not the industrial revolution but the scientific

00:22:55.040 revolution the mismanagement of the scientific inquiry into the natural world is why we're in

00:23:00.360 the mess that we're in and that's where you get hegel that's where you get john dewey that's

00:23:05.220 where you get the german historicist that's where you get all the atrocities in the 20th century

00:23:09.080 that's where we get fauci the cdc because it seems like there's it all comes from the science

00:23:12.860 if you look at the beginnings of the scientific revolution much of this was sir francis bacon

00:23:17.220 it's it's christians there's priests that are involved in mendel of course there's many

00:23:21.380 gregor mendel involved in this and there's also even in darwin to an extent darwin was a different

00:23:27.400 guy but you're right there's this idea applied to a lot of different right but there's this

00:23:31.180 there's this idea of we are learning more about god's creation right and you can kind of see that

00:23:36.980 yes totally i mean but they never saw it as a challenge so there's a number i'll get the exact

00:23:43.000 number and so when would you when would you say that that sort of change in thinking took place

00:23:50.080 yeah that's a really good question so just to reinforce the point every beautiful piece of

00:23:55.040 music had solely a day basically i'm getting the latin word wrong glory to god at the top of every

00:24:00.880 music right whether it be bach or wolf wolfgang amadeus mozart or chopin whoever it was all glory

00:24:06.940 better mention ferderick chopin huh you better mention chopin of course and so where did it

00:24:12.520 change that's an interesting question the french revolution played a huge role more so than the

00:24:18.560 american revolution so the american revolution gets misread by modern day leftists as this kind

00:24:23.160 of liberal moment that we realize that we must throw the shackles off of everything before us

00:24:27.780 and create a new and the founders never mentioned any of that in fact the founding was more you don't

00:24:32.600 have the guillotines in philadelphia and new york well yeah but also just look at the texts

00:24:37.400 everything about the text was anchoring towards tradition one of the course of human events

00:24:41.400 comes necessary for one people that is all the political bands that has tied them to another

00:24:44.700 right it's right there one of course human events and deriving from the equal and just powers of

00:24:50.120 separate station separate stations among them are the laws of nature and nature's god laws of nature

00:24:54.980 They went to great pains to tie the American revolution to the past in saying this is not we are not throwing the baby out.

00:25:05.060 They appeal to the supreme ruler of the earth.

00:25:08.180 That was a direct quote Jefferson put.

00:25:10.060 And this was Jefferson's challenge, which is why I think every school should have a Jefferson statue, because what he did was so unbelievably remarkable.

00:25:17.840 He was able to mix the immediate with the eternal.

00:25:22.040 he was able to mix the prudent and the practical with the with the everlasting they still have if

00:25:29.260 you go to philadelphia it's at fifth and market you can actually go to the building where his

00:25:32.640 apartment was oh is that right where he wrote so you know philadelphia better than i do i've

00:25:36.280 been in independence all yeah and it well it's it's you know not far from which is where it was

00:25:39.760 it's within walking right yeah that's signed but where it's actually written which i always thought

00:25:43.660 yeah and there was not many people know about it either there was a lust amongst the thomas

00:25:49.180 pain types to go even further on the declaration of course and but thomas jefferson was able to

00:25:53.860 balance pain gets in very quickly into um radical liberalism oh yeah totally afterwards well pain

00:25:59.660 was a radical liberal in a lot of ways he was a revolutionary and we should thank him for stirring

00:26:04.080 up the revolutionary fervor at the same time you know you gotta you gotta have a lot of respect

00:26:08.880 for how the founders kind of cooled that down and struck that balance and this is the misreading of

00:26:14.400 the founding which is that the founding was nothing more than the beginning of a multi-hundred

00:26:19.680 year progressive movement right because that makes sense and that's that's the position a lot of

00:26:23.640 conservatives take because when we talk about revolutionary politics or revolutionary thinking

00:26:28.960 or revolutionary ideologies we never really talk about the american revolution in those terms

00:26:34.120 because inherently i think we know that it's not that it wasn't something yeah and i've heard a

00:26:38.400 historians say this thomas west i don't think agrees with this um it's more of a separation

00:26:45.100 than it was a revolution precisely and i don't want to put words in the great thomas west's

00:26:50.040 mouth but that's probably right i think because it was more just kind of like hey can we go our

00:26:54.960 own way type thing french revolution wasn't as let's say um precisely written no that was a

00:27:00.500 little different yeah they changed the time in the calendar purged the non-believers they ended

00:27:05.060 up killing their own guy rubs pierre the the priest the priests were all wiped out of course

00:27:09.300 um notre dame was converted into a cult a temple of reason the cult of reason replaces the church

00:27:15.260 so christianity actually didn't know that's super completely outlawed so thought i knew a lot about

00:27:20.360 the french revolution oh completely out so the church is outlawed priests are executed they're

00:27:24.600 they're put into the guillotine literally the actual chopping i didn't know that i didn't know

00:27:28.240 that they converted notre dame they convert notre dame into a temple to the cult of reason

00:27:32.740 and they have they have holidays and so no i didn't know that they realized that they need to

00:27:38.340 have some type of worship right because they understand right there they they do understand

00:27:44.480 that there is this they call it you know the god-shaped hole right within the human psyche

00:27:48.560 and so they replace that with the cult of reason and they yeah and so we as christians again a

00:27:54.680 storage house at one point too i grew up experiencing all the different christian

00:27:59.080 stereotypes like big mega church pastors screaming at you asking for money or whatever and you know

00:28:05.780 i think i turned a lot of people off the stereotype of the propaganda campaign obviously not

00:28:09.760 it being not in essence true but the bible's the word of god and it's how you should live your life

00:28:17.020 there is not one thing anyone listening right now is experiencing the bible does not have a

00:28:21.660 roadmap on how to bless you not one thing what's what's amazing too is every single time that

00:28:28.400 humans have tried to create their own bible it has failed well yeah i mean so this is where

00:28:33.640 nietzsche tried and it drove him mad yes this is why it drove him yes because he said i have to go

00:28:38.400 create my own values good luck here's a pen and paper what do you got mr nietzsche and it drove

00:28:42.840 him insane and stalin also the thought that he would never be able to figure out a way to get a

00:28:50.340 mass acceptance of those values throughout or what you have is just a copy paste of what the bible

00:28:58.060 says and then relabel it under some weird pagan atheistic reason thing but here's the problem

00:29:03.660 this is a real this is a problem is that people won't accept it if they don't think it's divinely

00:29:08.840 inspired precisely it's a very important thing and so you know i i tell people all the time they

00:29:14.380 say charlie why do you honor the sabbath i said because god tells me to and they say what do you

00:29:20.060 mean because it's commanded of me i said that's it i said if you believe god told you to do something

00:29:26.400 would you do it right and they say well well it doesn't make logical sense like first of all it

00:29:31.240 actually does all the science shows that taking one day of rest is actually really good for you

00:29:35.480 have you ever gone and seen any of the um the illuminated manuscripts in europe that they still

00:29:40.880 have some of the preserved bibles from the medieval time i've seen the so i went to you're probably not

00:29:45.240 a geneva bible fan the uh but no but i did go see the book of kells at the uh at trinity universe

00:29:51.400 or Trinity College in Dublin. And you see, so these, these were the Bibles that were written

00:29:56.580 during the middle ages. Um, when, you know, the only literacy was in the priest class.

00:30:02.380 And so these people, when they're writing this, it's, it's this beautiful every, and yes, each,

00:30:08.440 you know, the title page of each, uh, each book as it begins is each one of itself a masterpiece,

00:30:15.360 but even the flowing calligraphy that you see, these people actually truly believed that what

00:30:22.420 they were writing was each stroke of the pen was perfect because it was the word of God, period.

00:30:30.040 And so this is the struggle ahead of us right now, right? Which is that so many people have

00:30:36.660 believed that God doesn't exist or it's some sort of weird Eastern meditative God, which I guess is

00:30:40.960 better than believing not in no god but uh there's a huge difference between the god of the east and

00:30:45.940 the god of the west massive difference massive they believe the god is in the nature we believe

00:30:50.320 god created nature right there's a lot of differences there's also a lot of um uh like

00:30:56.260 when i lived in china you know you you would talk about you know the and even even after highly

00:31:01.260 atheistic society well yeah yes and no because even after so very superstitious of yeah so like

00:31:08.240 even after all the years of communism there's still this this and it's a total hodgepodge 0.59

00:31:13.520 there's of of from the analects and like from all traditional yeah the i Ching etc but it's

00:31:19.080 very transactional that's that's basically what it comes yeah and this is one of the reasons why 0.85

00:31:22.560 can i get out of this is why gambling is a bigger deal in asian culture yes it is it's that you are

00:31:27.680 going to play your odds up against karma and numbers the universe oh my gosh it's a big deal

00:31:32.200 numerology in asia yeah it's way but that all kind of plays into fate and karma and all these

00:31:39.040 other dynamics yeah where the god of the west is an empowering god the god of the west is a personal

00:31:45.100 god yeah it's not like you you can't and a triune one you can't play your odds with god with the

00:31:51.060 well no no instead it's it's god that says you can't like trick your way or it's like no slave

00:31:55.220 nor greek nor jew we are all one in jesus christ right where it says in philippians 4

00:32:01.480 for six, where it says, do not be anxious, right? But instead, through Christ Jesus and prayer,

00:32:10.160 thanksgiving and supplication, make your request known to God and the spirit of the Lord,

00:32:16.300 which transcends all understanding, by the way, right, will comfort you and guide you.

00:32:21.740 And then it goes on to say, whatever is true, whatever is good, whatever is noble.

00:32:24.580 This is why it's amazing that one thing that I've realized, even as I've gotten older,

00:32:27.880 I've got kids now skin in the game you know it's like you I'm married and when you have something

00:32:35.600 to lose it's I'm so thankful that God gave us prayer I'm so thankful that we have that

00:32:42.320 that as a gift where it's it's just this outlet where you can go to and say I am at my limit I

00:32:50.100 am at my extent I realize I'm at my extent I have nowhere else to go and then boom there it is

00:32:55.420 yeah so one of the um i think it's in colossians corinthians there's this verse that is is commonly

00:33:01.340 quoted where people say well charlie god will never give you more than you can handle i said

00:33:05.520 what kind of weird theology do you believe right god will give you more than you can handle every

00:33:09.920 day but not more than he can handle exactly huge difference because the difference is are you going

00:33:15.520 to then give up your hands and say god i need you to take care of this i am not enough i can't get

00:33:21.280 this done. And just from the pure scientific clinical data, it shows you're actually a happier

00:33:26.420 person, a more productive person, a more thankful person. If you actually even go through the process

00:33:32.520 of prayer, not alone, not, not to mention that prayer is actually an immediate and personal

00:33:36.420 conversation with the living God. And so you ask the question, how did the West get here? Right.

00:33:42.200 And, and we keep trying to recreate it by the way, we say, Oh, well, we'll do some type of

00:33:46.580 meditative act or which again is better than you know when you when this is all going yoga right

00:33:54.240 of course always has all these better than doing like new zealand orgies or whatever right 25 not

00:33:59.120 26 but i feel so bad for guy 26 but yeah but then but then at what at what point does the meditative

00:34:06.280 yoga circuit all of a sudden say this is how god wants you to live and then they're never going to

00:34:11.960 say that, right? It's that it's all about centering yourself. Well, then what's your morality? How

00:34:16.300 would you organize society? A lot of it is, a lot of it is based on this idea that if you just become

00:34:22.500 more one with yourself, then you're, it's incredibly narcissistic. You essentially,

00:34:30.520 like God becomes through and from you. So here's another, here's another difference between

00:34:34.400 Buddhism and Christianity, right? So Buddhism believes at the highest level of Buddhism,

00:34:38.120 you don't talk. I've been to Tibet, I've been to the monasteries, and they have these incredible

00:34:45.060 debates where they're looking at each other, and they will clap with their hands at each other,

00:34:51.600 and yet they're not actually speaking. In Christianity, the two creation stories,

00:34:56.000 God created the heavens, the earth, and the beginning was the word, the word was God,

00:34:58.360 the word was with God, right? Is logos, which is the word for speech, God's spoken to existence.

00:35:04.320 we are the speaking beings at the highest levels of existence and earthly existence

00:35:08.660 we are beings that are reasoning speaking and communicating and the highest level of existence

00:35:14.040 in buddhism you shut up it's a big difference yeah you you turn yourself over to what exactly

00:35:20.940 you know yeah and right and so but also you're not you're obviously you're not winning people

00:35:27.420 over you're not communicating you're not reasoning it's very sheltered it's very it's like retreating

00:35:34.160 I think there's a place for that.

00:35:35.400 I think resting is obviously important,

00:35:37.680 but the highest level of Buddhist philosophy

00:35:41.060 is that you then ascent to the highest level of nirvana, right?

00:35:45.240 Right.

00:35:45.560 Through that, where we believe the total opposite.

00:35:47.840 And that's how you're breaking the cycle.

00:35:49.300 And yeah, we believe Jesus came to us.

00:35:51.980 We believe nirvana, whatever heaven,

00:35:54.260 which we believe is a real place,

00:35:55.540 has a nonstop ticket where Jesus said,

00:35:57.680 here you go, I paid the whole price for you. 0.79

00:35:59.300 You don't have to go sit down and shut up 0.68

00:36:00.600 and go to some hill and clap at each other

00:36:02.520 and wear an orange robe.

00:36:03.720 No offense to anyone that might do that, that listened to our show.

00:36:05.940 You might be a nice person, whatever.

00:36:07.400 The point is that it's totally different.

00:36:09.040 Here's a ticket, free admission, go free.

00:36:11.600 As it says in John 8, 38, the truth will set you free.

00:36:14.540 That through Jesus Christ, we are free.

00:36:16.980 And so when you have that type of religion at the center, take it back a little bit,

00:36:24.640 at the center of your society, right?

00:36:26.940 When you have that type of empowering ideology at the center of your society,

00:36:30.560 Because, of course, you know, you go to Asia, they've all basically done away with Buddhism.

00:36:35.000 I mean, that's not.

00:36:36.720 But there's a lot of different variations of forms of that.

00:36:39.500 Well, I mean, you could go to, you know, there's Tibetan Buddhism, there's Chinese Buddhism, there's the Buddhism of Southwest Asia, et cetera, et cetera.

00:36:47.140 And I've been to these places.

00:36:48.180 I've spent time with them.

00:36:49.180 I've met these people.

00:36:51.140 I was fascinated in many ways by, you know, we went to the Jai Buddha Temple.

00:36:56.560 I actually lived near the Jai Buddha Temple in Shanghai.

00:36:58.100 but it just seems to be missing something right it and what it really is missing what i've always

00:37:05.840 found is that direct personal connection that you have with your creator yes that's right

00:37:14.320 not creation right we are of creation that's a big difference but that i am directly connected

00:37:21.240 to my creator that is the king of the universe and let's let's start with what how genesis one

00:37:28.020 starts right god created the heavens and the earth the heavens and the earth are not god

00:37:31.660 no god created the heavens and the earth he is above the heavens and the earth precisely it's

00:37:35.760 a big difference supreme yes he is he is totally above so if you are any other it's like we had

00:37:41.840 this um at our parish they just started this new and i don't know if we're gonna be going there

00:37:46.700 anywhere if they still keep doing this but they said oh we're gonna have a racial justice committee

00:37:49.700 you should leave um and this is going to be the uh and you go and you can you can take so many

00:37:55.860 verses it'll make their heads and i and i just turn to tanya and we're sitting there i'm like

00:38:00.520 look around the room right now this is racial justice right if that's something you're concerned

00:38:06.740 with you've got every single ethnicity under this roof under god right worshiping christ together

00:38:15.540 What do we need a committee for, right?

00:38:17.580 This is the supreme being.

00:38:19.400 We are the lessers.

00:38:20.840 It's simple, right?

00:38:22.740 And to me, quite frankly, if you're someone who's so concerned with the differences of people, you know, I really question whether or not you're putting Christ at the center.

00:38:32.160 Yeah, it's replacement religion.

00:38:33.720 Absolutely. 1.00

00:38:34.280 That means that there's something wrong.

00:38:35.640 This is a competing, absolutely a competing theology.

00:38:40.080 Yeah, and we see this with the cult of Greta Thunberg, and we see this with Fauci.

00:38:44.500 these are all replacement religions and the church deal with this yes in in 300 ad 280 precisely

00:38:50.800 we see the exact same thing yeah justinian and every major you know roman uh constantine dealt

00:38:57.980 with the same thing in like 320 or whatever um same sort of thing so yeah you asked the question

00:39:04.320 how did the west get here we we mismanaged the scientific revolution there were beautiful fruits

00:39:09.680 of the scientific revolution. Admitting the heliocentric theory of gravitational pull

00:39:14.360 was a good thing for humanity. Catholic Church minorly mismanaged that, but that's a separate

00:39:19.460 issue for a different time, right? Also debatable how it was managed.

00:39:23.040 I said slightly mismanaged. I think that the characterization is actually unfair. He wasn't

00:39:27.360 executed. He went to like a villa with his students, but still, the Catholic Church was 0.87

00:39:31.480 wrong and they tried to cover it up. That's irrefutable. Man is always wrong.

00:39:35.960 Yeah, but the way that they defended it was wrong.

00:39:39.200 You don't have to defend them on this.

00:39:41.160 It's okay.

00:39:41.680 My point is that every man-made institution or every man-run institution is going to have issues.

00:39:46.920 That's fine.

00:39:47.420 I think it's sometimes used unfairly, but I'd still yield with the place that it was a mistake.

00:39:52.280 The point is that then in the 1600s, early 1700s, we started to see man's all of a sudden domination over nature, right?

00:40:00.240 So the scientific revolution changed the game, right?

00:40:03.460 You get to the point where, you know, we've gone no longer victims of nature.

00:40:07.820 You know, we're we're we're agrarians.

00:40:10.000 And then we, you know, we start being able to do some trade and hey, maybe I found some shiny rocks over here.

00:40:15.980 So I'll trade you some of those.

00:40:17.840 But now suddenly it's, you know, now you're cooking with gas.

00:40:21.400 Yeah. And so then you started to see there's there's no there's no mystery than why you started to see philosophers posit.

00:40:29.300 Well, if we can dominate nature, why do we need this Christianity thing? 0.60

00:40:32.100 right it all came at the same time obviously that and then then it kind of hit this apex point where 0.96

00:40:36.920 the industrial revolution was happening but again industrial revolution only happened because the

00:40:41.580 scientific revolution that it does not happen one without the other and then yeah you get people

00:40:46.040 like marx who says religion's the opiate of the masses and you get hegel who argues about a new

00:40:50.680 way to view history and you get this completely different paradigm but throughout the entire thing

00:40:56.000 um it's kind of been obvious i mean it's easy to play like oh they could have should have would

00:41:00.340 but definitely in the last 50 years i think conservatives have always been on the right

00:41:05.620 side of the left's progress for the west meaning like our idea of right is like we're going to take

00:41:12.440 the most right position of the left wing right yeah exactly it's like okay whatever it's like

00:41:17.380 okay maybe we don't do drag queen story hour we're not going to say that we're not going to do

00:41:21.920 children can't do you know we're not you know sexual reassignment surgery of course we should

00:41:25.860 have universal health care but we have to manage it or do it market yeah market universal health 0.99

00:41:30.940 or it's like you know it's one thing to say we shouldn't have like no new immigrants let's just

00:41:36.020 have the right ones or whatever right and some of these are reasonable things some of them are not

00:41:40.220 when you look at decay we should have been pushing in the opposite direction right and i think there's

00:41:46.960 this whole new renaissance around these ideas because people like you and me similar to nietzsche

00:41:52.100 I never thought I'd say that are seeing the absolute unraveling of everything around us

00:41:56.540 because we really don't care what you call us anymore we've gotten to a point now where we

00:42:02.820 realize that you know are we living through I mean we're clearly living through a collapse cycle

00:42:09.860 right you know and even even Joe Rogan is talking with Kali Yuga is bringing up you know a lot of

00:42:15.640 these different theories on fourth turning etc about what exactly kind of cycle we're in and

00:42:20.500 we're in that so the question then becomes when you look at other collapses when you look at other

00:42:25.080 societies that have gone through this other civilizations which ones managed it properly

00:42:29.380 which ones decided to actually take um you know can you fight history i think is a question well

00:42:34.880 i mean the romans are always a good example and the romans splintered and had the eastern roman

00:42:39.860 empire for a pretty long time and that fell apart eventually but that was a pretty big success

00:42:45.220 i mean the eastern roman empire byzantium right it was the flagship for christianity

00:42:51.880 over a thousand years yeah and and after the it's hard to say the ottoman empire was byzantium but

00:42:58.700 that's probably true to an extent meaning that as soon as that absolved you know with the fall

00:43:04.980 of constantinople and whatever year that was uh where the turks finally won 1453 yeah the fall of

00:43:11.060 Hagia Sophia and

00:43:12.800 it's a really interesting battle

00:43:15.100 it's a long siege they tried many times

00:43:17.220 they finally succeeded

00:43:18.060 but yeah I don't think we've forgotten about

00:43:21.440 that yeah exactly

00:43:22.680 well Rome didn't send reinforcements

00:43:25.480 in time that's a different conversation for a different

00:43:27.340 time but it is yeah it's actually true

00:43:29.260 Rome could have bailed out Constantinople

00:43:31.540 well this is a huge issue between

00:43:33.060 the Catholics and the Orthodox right now

00:43:35.260 today is Constantinople 0.93

00:43:36.280 yeah I mean Rome could have fixed the whole issue

00:43:39.280 right one one uh flotilla of boats easily yeah and they were counting on it it never happened

00:43:46.400 so or they like stayed at bay or something there was some weird political thing there i don't know

00:43:50.720 it ends up being a lot more and this is something that tanya and i talk so my wife is orthodox and

00:43:55.920 i've said that many times but you know one thing we talk about it is that it it did end up being

00:44:00.560 much more of a political separation than anything else right and it wasn't a good thing that the

00:44:05.360 The Turks took over Constantinople.

00:44:06.680 Still isn't to this day, obviously.

00:44:08.400 Hagia Sophia is still a church, by the way.

00:44:10.800 Regardless of what they say.

00:44:11.920 No matter what they say. 0.97

00:44:12.880 Isn't it interesting how they always want to change churches to mosques?

00:44:15.560 It's really weird.

00:44:16.060 We don't try to turn mosques to churches.

00:44:17.180 No, we don't.

00:44:17.580 Well, it's like I was up in – I was in Toronto, and of course it was in Toronto,

00:44:21.740 and we saw this Episcopalian church because, of course, it was Episcopalian.

00:44:26.520 And it was with the refugees welcome and they have the crescent moon.

00:44:29.860 And we're there with Tanya, and she goes, you know,

00:44:32.120 if you tried to do that to a mosque and said christians welcome and put a cross in front of

00:44:37.120 imagine you go to middle east and put that up what would happen your hand your hand cut off 0.83

00:44:41.300 immediately but that's tolerance becoming your own death but then i was saying so i was saying we

00:44:44.980 should go and we should get like uh you know like a paintbrush or something and then you know

00:44:50.060 underneath the the crescent moon uh right um refugees welcome to learn the gospel yeah that's

00:44:57.040 right everyone's welcome to learn the gospel because it's a church right that's the point

00:45:00.080 of churches is to teach the gospel and further the teachings so you ask where this goes we don't

00:45:04.580 know the unraveling of empires can be messy um we are an empire it's just the way it is um

00:45:10.800 yeah i mean i mean there's two separate questions there obviously but i i'm really not in the

00:45:17.240 prediction business the way with that stuff it just it's exhausting the way that i look at it

00:45:21.020 is the way to manage it is you know okay are we not are we going to be an empire going forward

00:45:28.060 or are we not and if we're not what do we do to reconstitute ourselves in a way that is most

00:45:34.060 beneficial for the people who live here now the problem with the american empire is that we never

00:45:38.880 admitted we were one right and that was the weirdest thing it's like oh yeah we're not an

00:45:44.120 empire meanwhile we're gonna have bases in every corner of the world there's some interesting

00:45:46.560 theories out there about you know whether or not the british empire just kind of continued through

00:45:51.320 you know through the anglosphere and we still kind of defer to england on a lot of like of

00:45:56.880 this foreign policy like yeah i don't know stuff and it's it it's an interesting that's probably

00:46:01.300 too deep it's an interesting but yeah i mean the the thing that people can do is win where you live

00:46:09.220 yes and that's the most important i mean so we're trying to do that here in arizona yes right is

00:46:14.200 that just focus local and the rest might work it might not because that actually is something that

00:46:20.840 can even even even smaller than that even go back to hey we're going to have ordered families again

00:46:27.900 yeah we should push policies that we're not going to make decisions for people but we can say as a

00:46:33.820 society hey society works better when we have these things called families we're unafraid to

00:46:38.420 make raising children claims about the good of existence this is good morally and it's also good

00:46:44.800 socially it is better right and if the gdp has to go down just a little bit here's the crazy thing

00:46:50.660 it won't like that's the, it might go down like half a percent. Great. Okay. So we have families

00:46:56.100 and people are happy. So yeah, I mean, the, I mean, you look at this town, um, that just got

00:47:02.000 hit with this, uh, was it may Mayfield, I believe it was called in Kentucky. And I mean, it's like

00:47:07.980 a Mayberry kind of town. Right. But I was talking to somebody who, who lived near there and he said,

00:47:12.800 you know, but it's just like one of these other towns where it was, we had this amazing community

00:47:16.640 at one point and then over the last 40 50 years it's just been gutted and the people there were

00:47:21.220 already living in poverty just absolute poverty yeah well i know we have to wrap amfest.com

00:47:26.540 everybody if you want to go to america fest jack this is your show so you gotta end i i do have to

00:47:31.480 end it don't i charlie where can people follow you and so yeah you're listening make sure you

00:47:36.280 subscribe to the charlie kirk show podcast yeah yeah check out charlie he's got like some little

00:47:40.040 rinky dink podcast yeah there that people that's what they tell me people kind of follow with but

00:47:43.700 But in all seriousness, Charlie, what's the biggest thing you're looking forward to for next the next year and the next?

00:47:50.480 I will say this very shortly.

00:47:52.700 I'm looking forward to more people getting based.

00:47:55.720 Love it, folks.

00:47:57.140 Charlie Kirk, Jack Sobik.

00:47:58.800 You know, thank you.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - January 01, 2026

Charlie Kirk & Jack Posobiec - The First Podcast

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