Jack Posobiec is joined by the host of The Candace Owens Show, a Catholic convert to Christianity, to discuss the growing trend of extremists hijacking the phrase Christ is King and co-opting it for their own purposes.
00:07:17.400You see the iconography all the time, depictions of the Virgin Mary with baby Jesus, and he's got a crown on his head.
00:07:26.520Or in Poland, there's statues of Christ with a crown on his head.
00:07:31.360So I want to go back to our guest, Candace Owens.
00:07:35.000Candace, when it comes to this phrase, is this really what they're upset about, this phrase, Christ is King, or is there something else going on?
00:07:43.300Because it seems to me that this happening in 2025, the same way these types of things were happening all throughout 2017, once Trump got into office the first time, were actually about dividing Trump supporters and trying to sort of gatekeep who is and isn't allowed to be a Trump supporter or who is or isn't allowed to say a certain phrase.
00:08:04.020It just reminds me of all the same type of garbage that I dealt with that year.
00:08:09.400And it's especially telling that the people that are doing this and who are advising MAGA that you have to get these people out of MAGA, expel these people out of MAGA, have never been MAGA.
00:08:22.920These are the people that have tried to divide and conquer the MAGA from the very beginning.
00:08:26.960They were the never Trumpers that then reappeared as DeSantis supporters.
00:08:31.200And then when DeSantis lost, they had no other option.
00:08:33.620And they're pretending like, you know, we like Trump now.
00:08:35.940And it's like, no, this is extremely inauthentic.
00:08:38.560You have been against Trump every step of the way.
00:08:40.400And I'm supposed to believe now that you're writing these articles, essentially trying to divide Trump supporters, because obviously a very large contingent of us are, in fact, Christians.
00:08:50.400And by saying, oh, you can be a good little Christian if you just accept that, you know, this phrase is only used by people who are bad Christians.
00:08:58.960And it's a wacky way to try to divide us, because I think it truly, especially because these attacks keep happening during the Lenten season, that it only strengthens our resolve.
00:09:09.100I don't think they recognize that a season of penance is a season of spiritual strengthening.
00:09:15.280You know, like we are committed to prayer.
00:09:16.880We are every day thinking about why we are going through this season of penance and preparing for Easter.
00:09:24.600So it's very strange to me, but I found it suspicious that it was the exact same people involved.
00:09:30.180And so I'd like to take everybody like on a trip down memory lane, 2024, Lenten season.
00:09:35.240Well, actually, real quick, can I just add, can I just add, it's also during Lenten season when the Lord challenges us.
00:09:42.140It's a time of challenging and it's a test of faith.
00:09:46.440I fully accept the challenge of my faith.
00:09:49.300And I do believe that that is why the Lord is allowing this to take place during the Lenten season, because he is calling us to challenge and reexamine our souls and reexamine our faith to bring us closer to Christ.
00:10:04.040And that's why I'm not angry about it, because I think it's both times it has backfired for the people that think they're executing this attack as a win, like, oh, people will take our side.
00:10:16.560It has backfired tremendously because it has awakened a lot of Christians who maybe are not so committed in their faith.
00:10:22.060Maybe you've got people who are not going to mass or not going to church every Sunday and they're going, what is this?
00:10:28.140I've never heard of people being upset about the phrase Christ is king.
00:10:31.720It's utterly bizarre that this keeps happening.
00:10:33.740But to take the the further length here to try to produce a report to legitimatize it with absurd, absurd metrics, we've seen an increase of the term Christ is king.
00:10:46.740Yeah, because you're attacking the phrase Christ is king.
00:10:49.740Common sense, you're going to see an increase.
00:10:51.300That's like saying, oh, on 9-11, we see an increase in people saying God bless America, of course, because you guys are randomly choosing to attack this phrase.
00:11:00.880And then there's this bizarre conflation.
00:11:03.020You can see who it is they're fearful of.
00:11:05.500You know, like you're mentioned in this report.
00:11:24.960They're just broadly producing a report and trying to sort of smear everybody all at once and accusing us of things that we've never done.
00:11:32.520I would never say Christ is king to just speak down to someone.
00:11:36.380And by the way, I don't think that's possible.
00:11:37.820I think truth always helps people no matter what.
00:11:40.040But it was sloppy, and I was very shocked to see Jordan Peterson, who has been so reputable in the past, to acquiesce to something that was so sloppy they didn't even spell psychology correctly in the report.
00:11:55.700Well, and here's what it comes down to as well for me is this type of behavior, and I was also very disappointed to see Jordan Peterson's name on there, someone I've always held in the highest regard, because it feels like the behavior of the woke.
00:12:12.160It feels like a woke-style, longhouse-style, gatekeeping, speech-policing, but also thought-policing kind of exercise.
00:12:21.480And I remember looking at this saying, like, wait a minute.
00:12:23.620So you guys are trying to tell me that you can look into my mind, and you can look into Candace's mind, and you know what I'm thinking when I say Christ is king, but you also know what Candace is thinking when she says Christ is king.
00:12:38.960And so Jack is allowed to say it, but it's a problem when Candace is saying it.
00:12:46.600Who are you so-called, you know, self-appointed people to be able to, number one, determine who's allowed to say this, again, very basic, really just foundational phrase of the Christian faith, certainly at Easter time.
00:13:01.740But also, if I'm going to go in there and start having discussions about this, then that's me participating in the struggle session, participating in the show trial, and then, you know, I'm going to come in and act like I'm allowed to determine who's allowed to say that?
00:13:42.360And you could definitely see the markers of the fact that this is, in fact, political, and there was nothing here to begin with, and they attacked for no reason.
00:13:49.760First and foremost, nobody said anything.
00:17:32.360That the gospel, you know, we were talking about Satan, just going over Satan being, I'm sorry, Jesus being tempted by Satan, using scripture to tempt him.
00:17:44.040And so I really do think that it's even the players here, knowing that we all have this feeling for Jordan Peterson is good.
00:17:49.640It reminds us, it strengthens us in our resolve.
00:17:55.620Of course, it's about living it and it's about believing it.
00:17:58.220Although, by the way, I did notice that someone said that if you want to talk actual scripture, someone mentioned taking the Lord's name in vain is an unforgivable sin.
00:18:32.720But Candace, I do think it's beyond that.
00:18:34.520I think there is a constellation of forces that I just kind of call the woke light.
00:18:39.700And I think the woke light are these self-appointed gatekeepers who are using woke tactics to try to sort of gatekeep, tamp down, toxify, you know, delegitimize, discredit, whatever word you want to use.
00:18:54.780Back in the day, we used to say de-platform, but they seem to have kind of lost that fight for now at least.
00:18:59.540Anyone who is either true MAGA, who's been an OG from, you know, from the first term, from the first campaign, which, of course, you are, and then coming around and saying that, oh, you know, this person, you know, we can't associate with them anymore.
00:19:14.020And then they just come up with a reason why afterwards.
00:19:17.740And that's so important for people to wake up to.
00:19:20.160So aside from just this being a call to Christians to pay attention to these divisionary tactics, it also is a call, the more broader implications here.
00:19:28.960But we're prepared for this because it's just like what they did in the MAGA movement.
00:19:32.160This is, like I said, the reemergence of never Trump.
00:19:35.460They're pretending that they're Trump supporters now, but they're doing the exact same things.
00:21:24.520Here we are back at Human Events Daily.
00:21:27.180We're talking with Candace Owens about this strangely political attack on the phrase Christ is king, which comes at Lenten time, which is an attack that really comes on people.
00:21:38.000Look, folks who use the phrase Christ is king, like, I don't know, like my family members, like everybody I go to church with, or anyone who prays the rosary, or just makes, again, the basic fundamental prayers at church.
00:21:54.960Or when you pray in Latin, these are very simple phrases.
00:21:58.680But it also comes at a time when it's very strange, because the people who are making this assertation say they're just concerned.
00:22:07.180They're so concerned that Christians are doing the right thing, even though many of the people who are spreading this thing are not Christian themselves.
00:22:14.100You have atheists, you have agnostics, you have members of other faiths.
00:22:19.820I mean, I appreciate your concern, I suppose.
00:22:22.940But, you know, there's a lot more that's going on in the world.
00:22:26.180Even CNN earlier today was, because it's going so big and so obvious, that they admitted the minority and Christian slaughters that are going on right now by the Islamicist government of Syria.
00:22:40.440That this government that's taken over, which, by the way, is receiving billions of dollars in aid from the EU.
00:22:46.340And I certainly hope they're not receiving any aid from the United States right now.
00:23:03.400Why are they so concerned about what people are saying online, these phrases, and then they try to read our minds and talk about us in such a way when there's actual atrocities against Christians going on literally right now?
00:23:17.520I view them as opposite sides of the same coin, to be honest with you.
00:23:20.920You know, what's happening here is sort of this suppression of saying Christ is king.
00:23:26.080What's happening over there is Christians are actually being slaughtered.
00:23:28.600And I've long begun to see this circumstance in which they want to divide Christians in the East and Christians in the West to divide their concerns.
00:23:38.240I mean, it's an absolute nonsense that you would be pretending to care about Christians as you're telling them not to declare Christ as king.
00:23:43.940That declaration is necessary, as necessary as it is true.
00:23:46.900And so they are hoping, I think, to fracture as a first step, to just fracture the Christian faith in America.
00:23:53.560And I think the opposite is happening.
00:23:54.980I know it's certainly true of the Catholic Church.
00:23:57.320Membership actually went up last year.
00:23:58.900People that were being baptized Catholic actually went up last year.
00:24:01.340And I do think in large part it is due to these, like, overly gratuitous attacks on our faith.
00:24:07.020And what naturally happens then as well is because people awaken and they become more committed in their faith, they begin to pay attention to what's going on around the world, whether you're speaking about what's happening in Congo.
00:24:16.680As I began speaking about last year and now people are going, what's happening over here, Syria?
00:24:21.960You know, I said immediately when I started to understood this issue and it was not a favorable thing for people to hear, the fall of Assad.
00:24:28.440I said this is not going to be good for Christians.
00:24:30.280I know that he was protecting Christians and irrespective of what you've read about him, there's obviously now going to be a lot of Christians that are going to die in Syria.
00:24:41.700And Nigeria, I mean, there are so many places where you are having these attacks against Christians, violent attacks against Christians that are taking place.
00:24:50.900And there's just completely mum in the media about them.
00:25:02.640I put that on the people who declare Jesus Christ, but stay mum on an attack like what happened last week when you see nobody did anything and suddenly a report is being produced.
00:25:13.160Or people who stay mum when they try to quickly pass something in Congress, making parts of the Bible wrong.
00:25:19.700You know, it's something that you could potentially be arrested for that, you know, tried unsuccessfully to pass that.
00:25:24.820There's a phrase that you used last year, and I use it as well.
00:25:30.680And you talked about being Christian in public, right?
00:25:34.980Being Christian in public as opposed to just being Christian in private.
00:25:38.820What does that mean to be Christian in public?
00:25:40.940It means persecution, first and foremost.
00:25:44.420It's something that you should understand.
00:25:46.040And so in the way that I've never felt closer to my faith and when I understood that, right, to be a Christian is to be persecuted.
00:34:09.320A high-stakes phone call today between President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
00:34:15.280We're getting down to a very critical stage.
00:34:18.700It's believed to be the first time Trump and Putin are speaking to each other since Ukraine agreed to a 30-day ceasefire with U.S. negotiators a week ago.
00:34:55.360President Trump finishing up this round-robin call with Vladimir Putin there from the White House to the Kremlin.
00:35:05.140And this, of course, we've been discussing it over the course of the last couple of weeks.
00:35:08.600Look, this is really big because there's information that's been discussed, and certainly President Trump mentioned this a little bit, on Air Force One recently.
00:35:18.120Special Envoy Whitcoff, who has now been completely just really taking the face of these negotiations, as well as negotiations in the Middle East.
00:35:27.460So he's got just an incredible amount of responsibility in his portfolio right now.
00:35:34.600Talking about land agreements, talking about territory, talking about which territories will continue to be part of Russia, which, if any, will revert to Ukraine that are currently in the fighting.
00:35:47.820And New York Times has a huge report that all of this potentially could come down to the city of Odessa.
00:35:54.700Odessa, of course, being the key Ukrainian port on the Black Sea, but a city, of course, that was historically part of the Russian Empire.
00:36:04.120And we've talked about the geopolitical importance of Odessa for years on this program.
00:36:11.820You know, I'm not trying to toot my own horn on that, but I'm just trying to say that this is how far we've gone to highlight the importance of Odessa.
00:36:19.600In fact, in my desk at home, I keep a jar of sand from the beach of Odessa that's right there.
00:36:27.020And in fact, we have some photos from my brother and I were there about the landmines on the beach, that this is what it's all about.
00:36:34.640This is about control of the Black Sea because the Black Sea is this is the gateway to empires.
00:36:40.120This is the friction point between east and west, the city of Istanbul, formerly known as Constantinople, directly south, almost directly south of Odessa, across the Black Sea, towards the opening to the Mediterranean, towards the opening to Athens, Greece, and then to the wider Mediterranean, Rome, and eventually the entire world.
00:38:07.420The three denials of Zelensky there of this mineral deal and of this term sheet.
00:38:12.660You're also hearing information regarding assurances that they do not want NATO to enter into the security situation further.
00:38:23.580You're hearing, because there's constantly noise from the British, from the French, that they're going to send troops in, a peacekeeping force.
00:38:29.840And this has been completely and just categorically rejected by the Russians out of hand.
00:38:34.740And in fact, they've gone so far as to describe them as saying that if you enter Ukraine, we will consider you enemy combatants.
00:38:41.340And finally, there's been some talk as well from the intelligence chief of Ukraine, Budinov, signaling perhaps a collapse of, it's tough to say because this is all, you know, through leaked reports, but perhaps of the front, perhaps of the entire Ukrainian armed forces by midsummer.
00:39:00.860So midsummer 2025, do they have gas in the tank to be able to go further than that, even after the current collapse of Kersk?
00:39:08.720Now, we're told that President Trump received assurances from Putin on the phone call just now regarding a 30-day renunciation of strikes on energy infrastructure by the Russian Federation into Ukraine, of course, going, if things are heating up.
00:39:24.980So going into spring, going into summer, they talked about an initiative regarding the Black Sea.
00:39:29.840Putin called for the complete cessation of military aid to Kiev.
00:39:35.080This is the key condition for resolving the conflict of Ukraine, by the way.
00:39:39.420And finally, Putin confirmed to Trump that the Russian Federation will guarantee the lives and decent treatment of Ukrainian soldiers if they surrender in the Kersk region.
00:39:48.420Remember, we talked about Kersk being part of Russia.
00:39:50.800There's also talk about a prisoner exchange that could take place as early as tomorrow, hundreds of prisoners on either side.