Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - July 06, 2026


DAY 1： PRE-TRIAL HEARING FOR THE MURDER OF CHARLIE KIRK


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00:00:47.080 Welcome back to Human Events Daily. I'm Bo Davidson, in for Jack Posobiec, who is in Provo,
00:00:52.200 Utah. He's there for the trial, the preliminary hearing of Tyler Robinson. We'll have more on
00:00:58.100 that tonight. We expect for Jack to be joining Kevin, but we also have Kevin Posobiec right now
00:01:01.960 as well as Benny Ray Harmony. Before the break, we were talking about leftism, the Second Amendment
00:01:07.260 and some of the ironies, the twist of ironies that are happening with the Second Amendment.
00:01:11.300 Benny, I want to come to you simply because we have been discussing this with respect to the
00:01:16.780 left and Democrats want to be the first people to take away your Second Amendment right. But yet,
00:01:22.000 ironically, it is many people who identify as Democrats or liberals that seem to be doing a
00:01:28.000 higher proportionate share of the killing. No, exactly. And Bo, I was talking to you earlier,
00:01:34.740 there was just a recent situation that went viral on social media where this staffer for a Democrat
00:01:40.540 in Wisconsin posted a video saying that the new mantra is kill your local Republicans. So
00:01:47.180 I just, I find it quite hypocritical and quite funny how the people that say guns should be
00:01:54.140 banned, guns, you know, you can't, no one should be allowed to have them, are the ones doing the
00:01:59.120 killing most of the time. You know, not, I'm not saying all, you know, this is a party versus party
00:02:03.960 thing, but it comes down to it where, okay, well, how many Republicans, you know, identify people
00:02:09.520 that identified as Republicans have publicly assassinated someone or tried to. So it's just,
00:02:14.800 I want to open that discussion because it's quite interesting. And I know Kevin has some good,
00:02:18.880 some good, you know, input on that as well. Yeah, Kevin, there's a, there's a high degree
00:02:24.280 of vitriol among the left and that vitriol has to, you know, it's one thing to be angry.
00:02:29.860 It's one thing to want to see grievances addressed in some way. It's another thing to take that to
00:02:36.180 a different level, to take that to a violent level and to kill people. So, but that's something that
00:02:41.380 has been recurrent. We've seen this now. I mean, we've seen this with the president.
00:02:45.660 What is it? Three assassination attempts now. We've seen this obviously with Charlie, which
00:02:49.220 unfortunately was successful. We're still putting those pieces together in the aftermath of it. But
00:02:54.680 speak to that. Sure. So quite simply, I mean, argument is the last line of defense. Okay.
00:03:04.060 After the First Amendment fails, after one can no longer argue successfully, that's when the
00:03:10.060 violence starts okay and so so with the second amendment i mean it's it's important i mean
00:03:18.320 charlie was a champion of the first amendment he loved debate he loved arguing with people it's like
00:03:25.260 you know against against this indoctrination like we're saying and so the argument will be
00:03:33.460 guns don't kill people, people do, right?
00:03:38.600 So the mainstream media will say,
00:03:40.840 okay, this is just a mental disability, et cetera, et cetera,
00:03:44.880 and that's been used as an argument against taking away guns
00:03:50.480 and, I guess, ideally repealing the Second Amendment,
00:03:54.040 but also, in particular, to be more objective and technical in this case
00:03:59.320 with Tyler Robinson, I'm reading here, again,
00:04:02.760 just a refresher the weapon was a vintage mauser model 98 bolt action rifle okay and it was his
00:04:10.880 grandfather's rifle with no serial number okay so way to slip through the cracks a little bit so
00:04:16.960 again they you know gun grabbers would be uh cracked down on that as well so so i i definitely
00:04:24.000 believe that will be a push okay uh we do have attorney on the line right now sam mirajovsky
00:04:29.780 on Zoom with us. He's a partner at Sam and Ash LLP. Sam, do you got me? I do. I sure do. Sam,
00:04:36.560 we don't have a ton of time left, just short of five minutes, but tell me just from a legal
00:04:40.140 perspective, what you've seen thus far, just your general observations of how the court proceedings
00:04:45.060 have gone, the objectivity of the judge, how you've seen him dismiss and overrule a lot of
00:04:51.640 the defense's objections. Just give us kind of your legal assessment thus far. Yeah, just real
00:04:57.520 quick you know the judge is i think doing everything correctly here i i mean he's playing
00:05:02.340 it by the book you know one of the one of the big issues here is and it's a preliminary hearing right
00:05:07.680 this is probable cause uh you know this very very low threshold and uh you know there's all this
00:05:14.300 evidence and the defense is trying to say that there's you know a lot of it's hearsay that it's
00:05:18.660 secondhand evidence and the fact of the matter is that that utah something that's you know peculiar
00:05:24.860 to Utah's system, they have a very broad allowance in these preliminary hearings for this hearsay
00:05:30.180 evidence. So things like, you know, what information, for example, that was told to two officers who
00:05:36.400 then put that information into the police report. And the judge was letting it, for the most part,
00:05:41.760 letting it in. And that seems to me to be absolutely appropriate, you know, at this stage.
00:05:47.740 So what I'm seeing is all basically normal and par for the course.
00:05:53.040 Well, let me ask you this. In reading this NBC News article, I know they didn't have Twiggs testify today, but it says prosecutors moved to quash the subpoena for Twiggs saying they intended to use a recorded interview in which Twiggs is alleged to have told investigators that Robinson confessed to the crime, concealed the weapon, disposed of clothing and told Twiggs not to contact law enforcement.
00:06:14.940 If that gets in, what else do you need to see? I mean, I'm just, you know, I know that trials are bigger than that. But if that piece is admitted, what I mean, what case does the defense have?
00:06:27.600 Well, they don't have much of a case. And remember, it establishes two things, right? First of all, it establishes the intent element. And it also helps, I think, bolster the case for aggravated murder, which here is predicated on endangering lives at the event, but also the political element.
00:06:53.780 So, you know, to me, this this is a very crucial piece of evidence.
00:06:58.620 I do not envision a universe in which it doesn't get in.
00:07:02.040 And remember, two tweets can can be called into court later to testify and can be questioned against this document and against this recording.
00:07:11.740 So, you know, I think it's going to get in.
00:07:14.580 Do you think we see, as Kevin and I were discussing earlier, a shorter than five day period of this preliminary trial to move to a jury trial?
00:07:22.940 Or do we think we see all five days of it?
00:07:26.160 Well, it's tough to tell right now. I mean, they're getting through it pretty fast clip.
00:07:30.660 And again, I mean, the likelihood it could go to it could go.
00:07:35.860 There's an enormous amount of evidence. So, you know, I could see perhaps all five days.
00:07:41.460 But nobody should interpret this being lengthy to mean that in any way case – any way that the prosecution's case is weak, right?
00:07:52.720 There's a perception sometimes, oh, it's going long.
00:07:55.160 It means the defense really has something.
00:07:58.060 No, there's just a lot of evidence here.
00:08:00.340 And the judge wants to go through it thoroughly.
00:08:03.020 And the reason for that is the judge – a good judge doesn't want any appealable issues.
00:08:09.680 And so going through it thoroughly, giving the defense their day in court, allowing every argument to be made while it's frustrating sometimes for us to watch helps, you know, helps shore this up and prevent any of it being tossed down the road.
00:08:24.680 Sam, we only have just short of a minute. I just want to, as I asked Benny and Kevin earlier, any observations on the demeanor of Tyler Robinson that you've seen?
00:08:32.980 We've seen him seem like ice is pouring through his veins.
00:08:35.880 So what does that say?
00:08:37.420 Does it give us any indication of his mental status?
00:08:41.540 But we've got about 30 seconds.
00:08:43.360 Yeah, I mean, look, the guy just, you know, looks terrifying.
00:08:47.640 I'm looking at him and I can't even imagine what Erica's, you know, Erica's going through and the family's going through.
00:08:53.820 But he's not, the jury isn't in the room.
00:08:55.800 The jury hasn't even been impaneled yet.
00:08:57.420 um so you know we may see a different tyler robinson if if you know confront when confronted
00:09:03.760 by a jury at trial it'll be interesting to compare samir javsky thank you so much for
00:09:08.080 your expertise and kevin posobik and benny thank you so much make sure to never ever stop fighting
00:09:14.800 no matter what we will achieve american greatness we are just getting started
00:09:27.420 Welcome back to Human Events Daily.
00:09:32.380 I'm Bo Davidson filling in for Jack Posobiec
00:09:34.380 while he attends the live trial of Tyler Robinson,
00:09:37.560 the preliminary trial that's about a five-day trial
00:09:39.620 that will determine whether this will go to a jury trial.
00:09:42.280 I've got Kevin Posobiec on hand in Provo, Utah,
00:09:44.860 as well as Benny Ray Harmony in the D.C. area.
00:09:48.220 Kevin, right before we went to break,
00:09:49.380 we talked about how the national media
00:09:51.200 may try to downplay some of the leftist activism
00:09:54.820 of Robinson and his partner. I'm reading from NBC News, too, as well. It says that on Monday,
00:10:03.300 I guess it was past Monday, State District Judge Tony Graff Jr. granted prosecutors motion
00:10:07.420 to quash a subpoena brought by defense attorneys to have Lance Twiggs, his partner, testify live
00:10:14.100 in Utah at the preliminary hearing on July 6th. Twiggs was living with Robinson at the time of
00:10:18.420 the killing as a romantic partner, but the court referred to him as a mister, but defense attorneys
00:10:23.300 have previously referred to him as transgender and goes by Luna. So we know that that is a
00:10:29.700 storyline that is a component of this. How does that play into the broader picture? You seem to
00:10:35.360 indicate that the mainstream media, of course, sympathizes with the left and has a leftist lens
00:10:40.100 and bias, will downplay that aspect or the leftist aspects of Robinson and Lance Twiggs?
00:10:47.500 i do i do because this is the worst case scenario right like we charlie and jack and many others
00:10:56.660 have been on record for saying like look at the crimes that are committed by antifa types
00:11:03.500 by these furry like drugged out weirdos you know on college campuses um college campuses are where
00:11:11.360 you know people's minds can be molded in one way or another and that's what
00:11:16.180 That's a thing that Charlie held so dear to his heart.
00:11:19.940 He knew where the battleground was, and that's on college campuses, okay?
00:11:24.340 And sometimes, you know, especially classifying these places as indoctrination camps for liberal woke ideologies,
00:11:33.300 these people also get involved in, you know, who knows what kind of drugs or sex kind of sexual fantasies
00:11:42.520 or just weird LGBTQ relationships these days.
00:11:47.180 So you tie all that together, and he's doing this stuff with Lance Twiggs.
00:11:51.580 And so it is kind of interesting how they could not subpoena Lance to come
00:11:57.600 and testify one way or the other.
00:12:00.040 That's very interesting.
00:12:02.400 But, yeah, so on the left, the mainstream will say, oh, well, it's just normalized.
00:12:08.820 They'll downplay it and normalize it, Beau.
00:12:11.220 that's what we're up against really. And, and not just colleges, but, you know, you see it with
00:12:16.800 these anti ice protests and, and these, you know, pride parades, like they just try and do it over
00:12:23.420 and over and over just to normalize it, make it okay. And it's not okay. It's not okay.
00:12:29.020 No, it's, it's, it's not at all. And you bring up, you bring a great point, Kevin, because when
00:12:34.520 you think about the, the circumstances surrounding this and who, who, who allegedly did it, who his
00:12:40.060 partner is, was, however you're going to think of it, you know, that community can tend to be
00:12:45.560 very violent. And we've seen this. I mean, historically speaking, this is not subjective.
00:12:52.120 This is an objective reality that we have seen this community, either mental health reasons,
00:12:57.800 hormonal reasons, who knows what. But there is a faction there and that there is a psychological
00:13:02.480 component to taking a certain ideology and making that violent and making it certainly
00:13:08.580 it's something that causes murder so speak to that Kevin. Absolutely and I'd add on too that
00:13:15.380 there's there's studies that you know homosexual relationships and lesbian relationships also
00:13:21.400 correlate to a increase in domestic violence issues too so there we have that okay and you
00:13:30.160 know so we're talking about all that okay like maybe okay somebody could have the freedom to
00:13:37.300 be that way. But then when you start getting into the violence part, that becomes a problem
00:13:43.040 for society. And in this case, being able to bring a gun onto a college campus and shoot
00:13:49.680 somebody that you don't like because you don't want to talk to them because they're giving
00:13:54.080 you the truth about your circumstances. They don't like it. And Charlie said that famously
00:13:59.640 too. It's like when the conversation ends, that's when the violence starts. And that
00:14:05.280 is not what the mainstream media wants to see so therefore because this is evidence of that
00:14:11.100 happening um if you're going to try and downplay it or normalize it or write it off like oh
00:14:16.480 or or they'll just downplay hey maybe he had like uh he's an exception maybe he did have some mental
00:14:22.160 difficulties that's why he wrote those things on those bullets and you know he didn't really mean
00:14:27.780 it or something or maybe there's just not a organized movement uh you know against republicans
00:14:35.260 and conservatives and anybody who loves america um you know i saw that in minneapolis myself
00:14:42.700 with the anti-ice protesters just all kinds of very violent rhetoric and you know we're going to
00:14:51.740 see it in an uptick i mean it's kind of a tangent but towards the midterms as well um but these no
00:14:57.500 kings rally these no kings protests these indivisible protests they're they're being
00:15:03.900 funded and and they're they're organizing and they're being put on pushed pushed and donated to
00:15:10.520 by uh who lord knows who so we have all that it's it's being funded now it's like i don't know maybe
00:15:19.500 in the 60s 70s you'd have like a small community of homosexual people but now it's being actively
00:15:25.580 funded by the left and these soros types individuals okay so so the left does not want
00:15:32.300 that to be exposed. So that's why they'll downplay it. That's absolutely true. Before we
00:15:36.320 go to break, I just do want to mention that tonight we do have some special coverage from
00:15:39.640 8 to 10 p.m. Eastern. It's a two-hour block. We've got from 8 to 9 will be Andrew Colvette and team
00:15:44.660 covering, of course, the case. And then from 9 to 10 will be a special edition of Human Events
00:15:49.680 live from Provo, Utah. Kevin, I presume that you'll probably be a part of that as well. And
00:15:54.640 we'll be getting some more live updates following the trial. So I do want to mention for those that
00:15:59.140 watching right now, since we don't have Jack, that we will have some live coverage from 8 to
00:16:04.000 10 p.m. tonight as a wrap up of some of the coverage daily that we're getting. So let's
00:16:08.960 take a quick break and we will be right back with more Human Events Daily. Never, ever stop fighting
00:16:15.920 no matter what. We will achieve American greatness. We are just getting started.
00:16:29.140 never ever stop fighting no matter what we will achieve american greatness we are just getting
00:16:40.320 started welcome back to human events daily i'm bo davidson filling in briefly for jack
00:16:54.820 Posobiec because Jack is in the courtroom at the trial, a preliminary hearing of Tyler Robinson
00:16:59.760 out in Provo, Utah. We hope to have Jack at some point, but we do have Kevin Posobiec along with us
00:17:05.140 as well as Benny Harmony in the DC area. You know, guys, we talked just briefly before about
00:17:09.980 the fact that there may be enough evidence hopefully presented in the case that may not
00:17:13.880 last all five days. And also the fact that the defense has been just trying to object, object,
00:17:17.660 object, and the judge has been overruling. So I do want to take a look at a SOT real quick,
00:17:21.400 sought to, which I believe the judge is talking about graphic exhibits, if we could take a look
00:17:25.260 at that. The court's thought about this issue in regards to publication of exhibits. Obviously,
00:17:32.400 the court will entertain all motions before any, but after considering it, here's the two points
00:17:40.640 that I wish to address. In regards to the exhibits, there is benefit to publication of certain
00:17:47.560 exhibits, but I also do not, and this is going to the camera operator, do not want them to be
00:17:54.400 displayed on TV. I believe it is important that the parties know that the exhibits are being
00:18:02.200 viewed by the judge in real time and in open court. However, what I will do is have the monitor
00:18:10.300 placed against that wall to reduce the possibility of it being broadcast. And so on the exhibits
00:18:19.100 that the court grants to be published in court and not going to Mr. Novak's point, not to be
00:18:25.720 given copies to, and the court is trying to be mindful that if it's shown on TV, that's essentially
00:18:34.020 giving a copy to. So Kevin and Benny, we'll start with Kevin first. This idea of graphic exhibits
00:18:40.980 that knowing, telling the public that the judge will see them, but the public will not. What's
00:18:46.700 the thought process on that, Kevin? And is that a fair line of reasoning that the judge is exhibiting
00:18:53.260 there? I think it's a fair line of reasoning. Again, we have so much evidence of video and
00:19:01.220 whatnot that's good for the judge stoney graph to be refreshed on what's being presented uh things
00:19:06.400 like the campus um even the screwdriver that was found on the rooftop was also being presented
00:19:13.180 today as well as evidence and um it's it's advantageous to him um because they want to be
00:19:20.240 as clear cut as possible and get all the high resolution photos whatever they can to be
00:19:28.520 presented here because this this is where the prosecution really shines is is bringing all
00:19:34.500 this forth um and keep in mind too this this area provo is is more red so unlike you know if this
00:19:42.480 were to have happened in salt lake city or you know philadelphia or new york city um the
00:19:48.960 prosecution would have a harder time uh compared to the defense and and uh you know we have such
00:19:54.220 a travesty of judges across the nation in so many other subjects uh today um but thankfully here in
00:20:02.420 provo this judge is more conservative and he is going to go through things uh judiciously
00:20:09.460 meticulously and also modernly which is using using uh digital digital uh formats so he can
00:20:18.740 have that. It does seem modern. It does seem a little different, but I mean, it's 2026, so we
00:20:25.000 could use, we should be using everything that we can. Yeah, no question about that. And Benny,
00:20:30.320 you know, just in terms of what you've seen from the judge thus far, do you see fairness? Do you
00:20:34.780 see objectivity? I mean, ultimately, in any trial you want, you know, the lady justice is supposed
00:20:40.320 to be blind. That's why they had the scales tipped in such a way that things should be equal and
00:20:45.560 fair. I think there's certainly an amount of public interest that this serves. People need
00:20:51.340 to be paying attention to this case. It is important that we understand the minutia of it
00:20:54.700 and understand that it is done fairly. I mean, if I'm the prosecution, I believe I would be
00:21:00.120 sitting pretty. You have a lot of very compelling evidence. At this point, what does the defense
00:21:05.060 have other than trying to object to things? I don't know really what they could even defend
00:21:09.060 at this point no absolutely and you know with watching this just this morning it kind of takes
00:21:16.080 me back to the kyle rittenhouse case if you guys remember that and you remember that judge and and
00:21:21.340 you know he was very fair to each side at least in my opinion you know he he told he told the
00:21:26.240 defense when they were being wrong he told the prosecution when they were being wrong and so
00:21:29.840 so far i really like the attitude of this judge i think he's very calm and you can tell he's really
00:21:36.620 thinking and he's really looking into this and he's taking time before he responds. And he's
00:21:41.160 making sure that he's thinking of all the parties included, you know, not just one. And so I think
00:21:46.580 that this is going to be a pretty fair trial. I really do think so. If, if this pre-trial is any,
00:21:51.860 you know, uh, you know, if we can look at that and, and, you know, if this does go to bigger,
00:22:00.280 you know, a jury trial, I think that, I think it could go, could go very well. And, you know,
00:22:05.260 like you said, I don't know what the defense has at this point. I think they're going to continue
00:22:09.160 to object and continue to find ways to try to throw the prosecution off their game. But so far,
00:22:14.540 I think this judge is great. I think he has been great since day one. You know, he said good morning
00:22:19.760 to Erica. He said good morning to Tyler Robinson. And I think he's operating very, very well for a
00:22:25.920 judge. Kevin, how do you think that the mainstream media is going to cover this? We know how Rav is
00:22:31.560 going to cover it. We have very, very, you know, I mean, it's personal, of course, for us. But it's
00:22:37.580 also there's an objectivity to it, too, which is the man was gunned down in cold blood. And what
00:22:42.780 he represented was freedom and liberty and conversation and dialogue. It's something
00:22:47.020 everyone should be interested in. But in your opinion, and what you've seen thus far, how do
00:22:51.820 you think major media outlets are going to cover it? Are they going to give it the attention that
00:22:55.960 it rightly deserves? Or do you think that they'll shelve it and sideline it for something else?
00:23:01.560 well that's a that's a great question and and it's an understatement that i mean again this is
00:23:10.220 this is a legendary figure charlie kirk here and it is personal i mean between my brother and i
00:23:18.080 and the whole rav family so it's very personal but at the same time this is part of what i learned
00:23:23.140 during the nancy guthrie investigation that i was in in tucson arizona where there's only
00:23:30.180 enough room for speculation of certain things and this is uh almost like a true crime kind of
00:23:37.500 scenario well it is but uh so the objectivity piece is crucial here and you know moving forward
00:23:47.240 we'll be able to see what is presented as evidence and what is discarded immediately that that's also
00:23:54.540 why there's the judge has that screen there but but um yeah the objectivity is that
00:24:03.820 the defense won't be able to the defense won't be able to you know continue to just object to
00:24:11.900 everything outright they all will need their own objectivity too instead of just saying oh
00:24:16.060 i don't believe that oh that's probably fake or oh what about this um it it's it's just it makes
00:24:22.540 things much more black and white okay it makes it makes the evidence be what it is you have officers
00:24:30.380 testifying to what has already been presented okay so but the mainstream media i don't know
00:24:36.460 they're going to try and dramatize it um i saw some comment um about like charlie's parents
00:24:43.500 arriving separately from erica's and like a lack of security and then you know people are trying to
00:24:49.740 talk about protests may be happening or stoke people to come here um you know they're they're
00:24:56.300 they're trying to dramatize this in any way they can to stir people up other than just hey guys
00:25:03.900 like we have the evidence we're presenting it boom here it is you know so back to my previous
00:25:08.940 point bow like i'm i'm kind of hoping that only takes a few days but you know there might there's
00:25:15.340 obviously much more that i don't know that a lot of us don't know that's going to be presented as
00:25:19.580 evidence um but yes being that it's appears to be so clear cut so far uh the me the mainstream
00:25:28.760 media they're going to try and just dramatize it or or just definitely probably get these facial
00:25:35.220 inflections in like oh what what's what's erica doing or what's jack doing or don jr what are
00:25:42.740 his parents what do they look like you know of course they're going to try and i i honestly
00:25:49.000 don't know it'll be it'll be all over the spectrum but but yeah we've become unfortunately
00:25:54.140 there's so much a lot of exaggeration it's become tabloid media you know we're looking at reactions
00:25:58.460 and expressions but bennie i want to come to you and i don't want to ask you to say anything that
00:26:03.240 you you can't say perhaps about your former employer but considering the nature of this of
00:26:08.500 the circumstances of of that led to your departure or your dismissal because of what you did i'll
00:26:13.960 pose that same question to you. How would a network like that be covering this? Or is there
00:26:19.360 going to be minimal attention upon it? Is there going to be a, some sort of bias against it?
00:26:25.700 Will they try to minimize the, the, the, the, the, the alleged assassins actions? What, I mean,
00:26:32.680 you know, you've been inside it. You saw how it was from that angle. So how do you think
00:26:36.640 outlets like that will be covering this? Well, Bo, I will say, I think your national
00:26:42.980 networks, your ABC, NBC, your Fox, your main networks, on the national level, they will be
00:26:49.720 covering it. But when it comes to the drizzle down to the local affiliates all over the country,
00:26:56.240 that I can't speak to because, you know, in my situation, what happened was, you know,
00:27:01.720 our affiliate in Illinois would not take the cut-ins from national. They would not run anything
00:27:06.980 that had to do with the assassination, you know, of Charlie.
00:27:11.200 And so I think we're going to see the typical coverage that we always see.
00:27:14.860 But remember, headlines that sell is what they're going to talk about.
00:27:19.000 So if this is a major, you know, if this brings big attention, which as I hope it's going to,
00:27:25.260 they are going to have to talk about it.
00:27:27.360 And so I think we're going to see just the same type of coverage we always do.
00:27:31.560 How much of the stations will take that coverage?
00:27:35.520 You know, I'm not sure.
00:27:36.980 Yeah. Well, it's very interesting. Go ahead. Yeah, Kevin, please.
00:27:43.220 Sure. So, yeah, if we look back around, you know, the week or so after Charlie was killed,
00:27:49.520 so many people were just honestly laughing about it. And, you know, and in good, good,
00:27:57.180 in a good way, we doubled back and got a lot of people, you know, put on blast for that. But I
00:28:03.680 think the mainstream media is going to try and do here is that they're just going to make it about
00:28:07.900 the second amendment right or they're going to downplay the whole uh communist uh angle of it
00:28:16.060 you know this that is on the left okay ideally ideally i'm saying um but you know they're going
00:28:24.580 to downplay the furry relationship and oh like he was just a college student you know they're
00:28:29.740 They're really going to try and downplay that, but also make it about the Second Amendment and, you know, all those just totally, totally hideous statements that were made against Charlie blatantly after after the shooting.
00:28:43.500 So I wouldn't be surprised if some, you know, left wing major major news sources would would take that angle.
00:28:51.960 Okay, that's interesting.
00:28:52.900 I want to take a break, but let's keep it there
00:28:55.240 because keep that fresh in mind is how the media may try to minimize
00:28:59.880 the leftist nature of the alleged assassin and his partner.
00:29:04.920 Right? I think that's your point.
00:29:06.740 Kevin, let's keep it right there, and we will take a quick break
00:29:09.120 and be right back with more Human Events Daily.
00:29:12.080 Never, ever stop fighting no matter what.
00:29:16.360 We will achieve American greatness.
00:29:19.540 We are just getting started.
00:29:21.460 So there's a lot of media here along with us and also heavy security and police all around the courthouse.
00:29:40.380 It's quiet but very powerful display of people coming, attendees and media.
00:29:45.500 I mean, Jack and I got here about 8.30 this morning.
00:29:48.060 shortly afterwards Charlie's parents showed up as well you know and they came
00:29:54.840 in Erica Kirk came in accompanied by Don jr. is very low profile and Don's John
00:30:02.280 has a bigger beard nowadays and just slipped right in it was unreported and
00:30:07.620 then he so he's in there we saw Graham Allen Brandon Tatum several other
00:30:14.220 several other journalists that are in this in this fight so as we as we've
00:30:21.880 seen I mean there's talk about potential protesters coming may or may not happen
00:30:29.040 but so far it's been like I said it's been quiet but but powerful and and
00:30:33.900 there's a good feeling of security here and so so we'll see what develops on
00:30:39.780 that front and but yeah we're just here to you know deliver the evidence as it
00:30:44.220 comes out of the court here and uh hopefully we can get jack here i do know uh that he does have
00:30:50.800 his phone back now um okay so jack has also been pretty integral in this uh bo because the defense
00:30:58.600 also tried as we know that the defense tried to uh put a motion in that um the video wouldn't be
00:31:06.040 allowed in the courtroom so jack was one of the ones that pushed for that to happen so you know
00:31:12.120 kudos to jack on that and to even get live stream for us to you know review here so that is very
00:31:19.580 important and we're looking forward to uh what he has to say uh shortly here and if anything we
00:31:25.740 get him a notebook too because he could definitely have a notebook in there i'm sure he's he's taken
00:31:30.620 many mental notes um that's another that's another aspect here so it's open to the public
00:31:36.360 okay and the media but it's on a first-come first-served basis in the mornings so there were
00:31:42.440 about 50 50 people in line when we got there around 8 30 and a lot of them were younger so
00:31:49.220 i think it was probably students from uvu that were showing solidarity and unity here with the
00:31:54.920 you know eyewitness testimonies if need be but also interestingly is um so there's a potential
00:32:02.160 for maybe someone like me to even be in attendance tomorrow as well
00:32:07.320 to take notes and whatnot, along with Jack.
00:32:10.920 But I know he's in there probably in the same area as Erica and Don
00:32:16.960 and Charlie's parents.
00:32:19.440 So, you know, prayers, much appreciated for them.
00:32:23.420 But, yeah, we'll be getting updates.
00:32:24.600 And then also later this evening, too, we'll be doing a wrap-up show for sure,
00:32:29.020 a recap, recap every night.
00:32:30.740 Well, I hope you do get inside of that courtroom, Kevin.
00:32:33.660 That would be wonderful.
00:32:34.420 And it's amazing that there is press access to this.
00:32:37.180 And, of course, no one has their phone in there.
00:32:38.820 And I understand understandably why that would happen.
00:32:41.220 But, Benny, you know, Kevin mentioned the fact that there's a lot of young people.
00:32:44.900 There's a lot of youth, as well there should be, because Charlie's audience, Turning Point USA,
00:32:49.860 his whole directive was really aimed at people largely under 30 and 40 years old,
00:32:53.980 people who are in high school, people who are in college.
00:32:55.980 All these Turning Point USA events have been geared towards engaging the youth.
00:32:59.760 And so in my mind, you know, America is watching, the world is watching, but young people are watching and should be watching because this is a great example of how speech was throttled.
00:33:11.040 The very thing that Charlie Kirk represented that he stood for, which was having a civil discourse changed my mind.
00:33:17.820 Let's have a conversation, not a monologue.
00:33:20.000 I think that's something that needs to stay in the focal point as we watch the trial of this.
00:33:24.980 I'm going to say alleged assassin, but I think we know all how we feel about it.
00:33:28.140 But just from your vantage point, Benny, as as as a young woman, also a young journalist, don't you think that all people that are whether you whether you like Charlie Kirk, dislike Charlie Kirk, you should be paying attention to right now because the future of speech kind of hinges in many ways upon this trial?
00:33:45.900 No, absolutely, Bo. And one of the things before we went live, I was looking at all the different live streams that were happening from court TV to the mainstream media, all of them.
00:33:54.920 I mean, each one of those had, I mean, the one I was watching had 15,000 people just on that one stream watching this. So just imagine with all the different sources now with, you know, it being open to press, just imagine how many people's eyes are on this right now.
00:34:11.220 And yes, it is summer break, so kids aren't at school, but I think that so many people are watching this. And the amount of people that I have talked to, Beau, specifically after I was suspended from my previous job and because of making a tribute to Charlie, so many young people reached out to me and said, I didn't know who Charlie was, but now I do.
00:34:31.360 And now I'm finally following his work and I'm watching all his videos.
00:34:35.120 And so I think the amount of transparency that's going to come out of this trial because of the amazing judge so far who is allowing those cameras in the courtroom.
00:34:44.240 I think this is this is how Charlie would want it.
00:34:46.840 And obviously, this is an awful situation.
00:34:49.200 None of us want to be in this right now.
00:34:51.080 But this I feel like if Charlie was alive, this is exactly how he would want it.
00:34:55.260 It's full of transparency and the people are going to get to judge.
00:34:59.180 Yeah, certainly true.
00:35:00.380 And Kevin, I want to come back to you for a moment, too.
00:35:02.840 One of the storylines I was following, too, as we prepped for the show, is that with the defense continuing to object to evidence,
00:35:10.520 it does seem that the judge has given sort of a provision to attorneys because the way the cameras are,
00:35:16.400 that as evidence is presented, even though we can't see it from the camera side,
00:35:21.480 that their monitors that are in front of the attorneys can be seen.
00:35:24.860 And to be mindful of that, I suppose, because there are certain things that our cameras
00:35:29.020 or those that are in the courtroom would be able to capture because you can see what's on someone's
00:35:33.080 screen. Have you been following that as well? Because that's something I kind of noticed that
00:35:36.240 was happening that the judge was saying. Well, it's it's an interesting technicality. I was
00:35:43.860 watching in particular the the attorneys and the teams up front, as we can all see on the live
00:35:49.700 stream, that they have laptops which have cameras on them, but the media can't have cell phones or
00:35:56.180 cameras and the live stream is can only show the backs of their heads and not the side angle or
00:36:01.940 any facial inflections that may uh occur uh you know but and then it is allowed on the side wall
00:36:09.260 so it's interesting how that will play out um but but yeah that's that's a also um one of the
00:36:17.240 striking things that the judge has allowed is for that as well um but you know so far like i said
00:36:25.140 We're talking, you know, they're going over the maps of the campus layout, where the buildings were, where Tyler Robinson was on the Loci building roof.
00:36:34.780 And by the way, we were just there.
00:36:36.660 We were fortunate enough to have a short tour of about an hour or so of the campus when we arrived yesterday.
00:36:43.100 So it was great to really pay our respects and appreciate the scene and also get an idea of the logistics of the path Tyler Robinson would have taken upon entrance and exit.
00:36:58.620 So, yeah, the side monitors will be helpful because there is just so much evidence coming out and so much being presented by the prosecution.
00:37:10.320 And that's what this is this week. And so it will be helpful.
00:37:14.940 I mean, we're all on our screens these days, but just because of the sheer volume of information being presented,
00:37:21.440 I think it's I think it's definitely advantageous to have.
00:37:26.260 Kevin, we know we've got the confession to the roommate, but what what do you think?
00:37:31.680 And what what and if you can get into Jack said, too, because I know you guys talk about it all the time.
00:37:35.200 But what will be, do you think, the most compelling pieces of evidence that will be presented in this preliminary hearing that will be the most compelling, the most damning, the most critical to the state's case?
00:37:47.160 What do you see as the things that really need to make it in in order for this to be a slam dunk case?
00:37:55.320 So we have the DNA on the rifle.
00:37:59.360 OK, that is one of the most damning and also the confession, the text.
00:38:04.600 We have that as well. Those will be pretty substantial, but also as we were there yesterday, there's a security camera on the corner of one of the top buildings where we've seen already when Tyler, after he takes the shot, jumps off.
00:38:23.240 He kind of scurries off the edge of the building there and basically falls on the grass.
00:38:27.620 so that camera is still there so what we're hoping to see delivered is the footage before that of him
00:38:35.480 on that roof and maybe even taking the shot itself and that would certainly be a conviction
00:38:43.520 that is almost undeniable at that point so that's one thing that we're we're looking to see be
00:38:50.380 presented for the prosecution. Um, and as it looks now, the defense will probably even try
00:38:57.340 and deny that somehow. But, um, those, those two, those, those few points, yeah, for sure,
00:39:02.980 for sure will be fought after. Yeah. And you know, Benny, every, every criminal defendant in this
00:39:10.800 country has a right to a fair trial. We know that, but when you consider the fact that of,
00:39:16.000 of what the evidence seems to point to, which of course is that this man murdered Charlie Kirk in
00:39:20.700 cold blood. He's entitled to his defense. Maybe the defense is just doing the job that they're
00:39:26.400 set out to do. I often wonder how an attorney could defend someone like this. I mean, I know
00:39:31.820 it's their job, but at the same time, from a moral standpoint, it seems very, very difficult.
00:39:37.040 As you looked at the trial this far, and I've only caught bits and pieces of it, are you noticing
00:39:40.700 any body language from Tyler Robinson? Are you seeing anything that would indicate remorse,
00:39:45.120 guilt. I did. I felt like I saw him with a pen in his hand. Anything that you're noticing thus far
00:39:50.200 that sticks out to you? No, he honestly seems just very calm, which, you know, is kind of
00:39:57.160 surprising to me when when there are, you know, some of the evidence that the prosecution has
00:40:02.180 is text messages to his partner, who hopefully we are going to get to hear from. And these text
00:40:08.000 messages say, I took out Charlie Kirk. So when you have something like that and you're just sitting
00:40:13.460 there, plain faced, in the courtroom, taking notes, you know, at that point, you know what
00:40:18.040 you did. And so I don't know that we're going to see a lot of him. I remember the one picture
00:40:24.520 that was released or the one video and the defense, you know, threw a fit. But to the point
00:40:29.260 that Kevin was talking about, about the defense constantly, that they keep, you know, objecting
00:40:35.500 to every single thing. I think they realize that's what they have to do. They have to make
00:40:40.480 some sort of case and obviously with the evidence that is going to be shown they know they don't
00:40:46.200 really have a great defense and so they're going to continue to object you know you know you watch
00:40:50.480 the movies you watch all the things that's what they do they try to throw the prosecution off the
00:40:54.520 game in my opinion and I think that is they're going to continue to do that um and and it's
00:40:59.600 going to get a little annoying I mean they were literally objecting to every single thing objecting
00:41:04.180 that the pictures were not taken in the right time frame. And the prosecution used a Supreme
00:41:10.980 Court decision to say, listen, you know, we have grounds for this. And the judge is saying,
00:41:16.240 continue. So it's going to be really, really interesting to see what the defense draws up.
00:41:20.680 Yeah. And again, I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of Erica Kirk and having to relive this
00:41:25.320 earlier on the morning show as we were seeing some of the developments and knowing that this
00:41:30.560 was coming, just trying to imagine, you know, having to relive your husband's death, you
00:41:36.380 know, in this way, but, but with, with the optimism of justice being served, you know,
00:41:41.260 in the, in the cold open, we saw justice for Charlie. So Kevin, you know, ultimately I
00:41:46.620 suppose, and I'm asking you to look through the crystal ball here a bit, but do you think
00:41:50.240 justice will be served? Do you think that the prosecution, that they have the evidence
00:41:54.340 that they need, that this will go to trial, that everything will kind of tie up neatly
00:41:58.720 as it should be. I'm, you know, as I said, they're talking with Benny about Tyler Robinson and how
00:42:03.160 his demeanor, I think back even to OJ Simpson, the sort of cocky swagger that he had, you know,
00:42:08.780 which was annoying to a lot of us that how could you do this? How could you sit there in court like
00:42:12.840 this, knowing that you killed your wife and your, uh, and her friend? I mean, and of course we know
00:42:18.960 he was, he was acquitted in the, in the criminal trial, but of course, uh, convicted in the civil
00:42:23.140 trial. So do you ultimately believe in your heart of hearts, Kevin, that justice will prevail
00:42:28.100 in this trial I mean I certainly I certainly believe so that justice will
00:42:36.020 and it should it should and will be be served there's there's just an
00:42:41.720 overwhelming amount there was talk that maybe you know the judge he controls the
00:42:46.520 pace of this he could very well say okay guys we have enough evidence today and
00:42:51.140 you know so there's a chance that could only take a day or two and it's
00:42:55.660 projected to be this whole week until friday but i mean it's been you know almost a year since
00:43:02.060 charlie got shot and it's been all over the internet okay and we live in a day and age where
00:43:07.900 there is so much digital footage everybody has a camera these days so i originally thought and it
00:43:16.140 still might come true that it could only take a few days here so but of course it would have to
00:43:22.460 to go to trial again this is just a preliminary hearing so we won't see any verdict given um and
00:43:29.360 i was interested even this morning to see like if i could get a shot of tyler robinson coming in and
00:43:34.640 you know in shackles or in an orange jumpsuit being perp walked but yeah that's actually um
00:43:40.160 uh not as common in utah there's a there's a shackle law it's called where that is potentially
00:43:48.040 like it would taint the jury
00:43:49.840 to see that he was already guilty
00:43:52.300 but yeah to his
00:43:54.400 disposition and his
00:43:56.320 mannerisms it's kind of like
00:43:58.400 Michael Myers I gotta say Bo it seems to me
00:44:00.580 like just to be in there
00:44:02.280 just coldly
00:44:03.380 within feet of
00:44:05.980 Erica and the family
00:44:08.260 okay like this guy and he's a
00:44:10.420 young guy too
00:44:11.120 and just
00:44:12.920 think about him being in
00:44:16.180 such a relationship with lance twigs like this guy he's uh he's probably got a couple bolts uh
00:44:23.320 loose a couple screws loose up there if you know what i mean so it's at the same time it's kind of
00:44:28.720 not surprising to me from like a psychological standpoint like this guy's kind of off okay but
00:44:34.380 um i it's it's it's yeah it's a shame to see especially because like he's he's visible in
00:44:42.760 the live stream too you could see right yeah yeah in the shot he just seems like he's like yeah like
00:44:47.680 it's like it's just like like blood like ice running through his veins but maybe that's exactly
00:44:52.460 the type of ice that was running through his veins when he allegedly shot charlie which you know is
00:44:57.520 that which begs there's 50 more questions behind that i do want to put a pen in it right here and
00:45:01.720 let's hold this thought so we can take a quick break but kevin you brought up an interesting
00:45:04.680 point about the fact that this is a five-day preliminary trial but it may not even take all
00:45:08.880 five days if the judge is satisfied with the evidence that is presented. So let's hold it
00:45:12.960 right there. Guys, let's buckle up because it is going to be a heck of a five days. But let's keep
00:45:17.980 it right there. We'll be right back after a break. Never, ever stop fighting no matter what.
00:45:25.780 We will achieve American greatness. We are just getting started.
00:45:38.880 A critical hearing begins today for the man accused of assassinating conservative activist Charlie Kirk during a Turning Point USA rally last September.
00:45:51.160 Prosecutors will try to convince a judge there is enough evidence for Tyler Robinson to go to trial for murder and to face the death penalty.
00:45:58.720 The five-day hearing will look like a mini-trial, with prosecutors planning to share DNA evidence that allegedly links Robinson to the suspected murder weapon found at the scene, testimony from investigators, and autopsy findings.
00:46:12.400 Erica Kirk and Charlie Kirk's family release a joint statement ahead of the preliminary hearing today in UT's statement on behalf of Charlie Kirk's immediate family, his parents Robert and Catherine, his wife Erica, and his sister Mary.
00:46:28.200 That statement goes on to say, quote,
00:46:30.640 Charlie was a beloved husband, son, brother, friend, and father.
00:46:35.580 Every court proceeding serves as a painful reminder of his death
00:46:39.220 and the loss that has irrevocably impacted our lives and the lives of his children.
00:46:47.400 We remain deeply grateful for the support, prayers, and kindness we have received.
00:46:53.000 This outpouring has sustained us during the darkest days of our lives.
00:46:56.420 Erica Kirk and her in-laws are expected to attend a Provo court hearing for her husband's alleged killer.
00:47:04.320 It's the first time we would see the family in court.
00:47:07.200 According to prosecutors, investigators recovered a rifle wrapped in a towel near campus.
00:47:13.300 Robinson turned himself in the next day.
00:47:15.700 DNA consistent with defendant was found on the trigger, other parts of the rifle.
00:47:23.260 Prosecutors are expected to share that evidence again this week.
00:47:26.420 They also allege Robinson confessed to his roommate with a note saying, quote,
00:47:30.740 I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it.
00:47:49.340 Everybody needs to pray for Charlie Kirk right now.
00:47:52.780 He is a voice of reason out there that has been gunned down for daring to be an American, to tell the truth, to believe in free speech.
00:48:02.600 My husband laid down his life for me, for our nation, for our children.
00:48:09.560 When America needed a hero, God sent us a Charlie Kirk.
00:48:13.540 Charlie Kirk is a casualty of the political war going on in this country. He was gunned down in cold blood.
00:48:18.380 The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination
00:48:23.800 have no idea what they have done.
00:48:29.280 With a high degree of certainty, we have him in custody.
00:48:32.720 U.S. media are now reporting that the suspect is 22-year-old Tyler Robinson.
00:48:39.980 The man charged with assassinating Charlie Kirk was living with a transgender partner.
00:48:45.840 It was a family member and a family friend who helped deliver Tyler Robinson to law enforcement in Washington County.
00:48:54.320 Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read,
00:48:57.720 Hey, fascist! Catch!
00:49:01.880 He believed strongly that we could solve a lot of our differences with just a good old-fashioned conversation.
00:49:08.940 He was shot for speaking the truth. He was shot for speaking his mind.
00:49:13.140 He was shot for defending the Constitution.
00:49:14.860 He didn't hate people. He didn't even hate liberals. He just hated intolerance.
00:49:19.760 He was fighting, not just for his own young children, but for all of our children.
00:49:25.280 Never, ever stop fighting, no matter what.
00:49:30.140 We will achieve American greatness. We are just getting started.
00:49:44.860 Welcome to Human Events Daily. I'm Beau Davidson filling in for Jack Posobiec. Jack is actually in Provo, Utah, within that courtroom that you've been seeing thus far all day long.
00:49:55.080 This is, of course, the trial, preliminary trial of Tyler Robinson, the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk.
00:50:01.140 We just kind of want to set the scene for you and kind of lay out the land of what's happening today on day one.
00:50:06.160 A lot of evidence being presented by the prosecution, by the state. And we've got some folks on the ground, including Kevin Posobiec is in our Utah studios.
00:50:13.300 We've got Benny Harmony as well. And hopefully we'll have Jack Posobiec as well. Jack has been
00:50:17.400 on the inside of that courtroom, but phones are not allowed. So he's unable to communicate
00:50:21.380 with anyone. And so hopefully we will have him shortly. But in the interim, we do want to bring
00:50:25.860 in Benny Harmony and Kevin Posobiec. Benny, just want to kind of get your initial thoughts
00:50:30.440 to what's happened thus far. We've been seeing a lot of kind of procedural things of the state
00:50:35.100 presenting evidence. I just want to get your thoughts initially on that before we go to Kevin.
00:50:38.840 Yeah, well, I started watching this right when it started this morning. And my first initial reaction was how detailed they are being and how specific they are being. I think the prosecution knows that they cannot, nothing can go wrong in this trial if they want to really take this to trial. This is the pretrial before hopefully this will go to jury.
00:51:00.000 So I think that every every single detail is so important today.
00:51:04.040 The prosecution laying that out detail by detail, not missing anything.
00:51:08.380 So so far, I think it's been, you know, very, very information worthy.
00:51:12.840 And and having that that law enforcement up on the stand just, you know, before they went to break.
00:51:20.920 I think his testimony and those testimonies of those there are just going to be huge.
00:51:25.980 Yeah, and Kevin, I know that you're in our Utah studios, Provo, Utah.
00:51:29.560 I know it quite well because it's the home of Angel Studios, I believe, whom we work with so often.
00:51:35.160 Kevin, kind of give us your opinions on what you've seen thus far,
00:51:39.380 because my understanding is that the defense has kept trying to object to a bunch of evidence,
00:51:45.580 and the story thus far seems to be that the judge is overruling that every time they object.
00:51:50.440 Is that a fair assessment?
00:51:51.560 it is judge tony graf is the judge for this case and so far there's been many objections and it's
00:52:02.660 kind of ridiculous because this is the first day these are formal proceedings and for instance like
00:52:08.840 the map of uvu uh the defense is trying to object to that like how can you how can you object to
00:52:15.480 where a building is and whatnot but um yeah that's that seems to be the uh overarching tactic
00:52:21.440 the defense is using so far. But yeah, we'll see. We'll see as this develops over the next
00:52:27.940 few days. What other storylines are you seeing from day one? You know, Kevin, I did see some
00:52:33.520 images of Erica Kirk coming in there. I understand Don Jr. is there. There are a number of conservatives.