Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Deal or No Deal - Can Trump Get Putin and Zelensky to the Negotiation Table？

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

00:00:39.320 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:45.960 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:49.120 Christ is king.

00:00:50.720 DC is already safer than it was nine days ago.

00:00:53.960 We're going to make it safer still to come.

00:00:55.680 This is your city.

00:00:57.000 You should feel free to come and visit here.

00:00:58.740 Have a meal.

00:00:59.860 See all these incredible monuments and actually enjoy yourself.

00:01:03.340 And that's what we're trying to make happen.

00:01:05.220 And I think that if we set a standard in Washington, D.C.

00:01:08.040 that political willpower can bring some common sense law and order back to these communities,

00:01:12.800 then maybe some other communities and other cities will follow suit.

00:01:15.960 For the first time in a long time, D.C. has gone seven days without a homicide.

00:01:20.240 And that's not all.

00:01:21.760 Carjackings are down 83 percent.

00:01:24.760 Robberies are down 46 percent.

00:01:27.240 Car thefts down 21 percent.

00:01:29.460 And overall violent crime is down 22 percent.

00:01:33.080 Former President Barack Obama says he is giving his blessing to California Governor Gavin Newsom's redistricting map.

00:01:40.080 Obama endorsed the map while speaking at a fundraiser for the National Democratic Redistricting Committee.

00:01:45.060 The former president says it would be his preference not to have political gerrymandering.

00:01:49.880 But given the effort in Texas to approve new maps favoring Republicans, he's supporting California's effort.

00:01:55.120 There are three guided missile destroyers deploying off the coast of Venezuela.

00:01:59.240 It's all part of President Trump's plan to help combat drug cartels in Latin America.

00:02:05.180 Three U.S. guided missile destroyers, the USS Gravely, USS Jason Dunham and the USS Samson are being deployed in these efforts,

00:02:15.040 with some news outlets also reporting that the ships should arrive there imminently off the coast of Venezuela.

00:02:21.560 So this will bring the military posture to about 4,000 sailors and Marines.

00:02:26.980 Ukraine saying an American electronics plant in the western part of the country is one of the several targets in a massive Russian drone attack overnight.

00:02:35.540 One person is dead and 15 people are hurt, according to President Zelensky, who also wrote in a statement,

00:02:41.780 there have been no signal from Moscow that they are really going to engage in meaningful negotiations and end this war.

00:02:47.960 Pressure is needed. Strong sanctions. Strong tariffs.

00:02:51.060 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition, Human Events Daily.

00:02:59.940 We're here live in Washington, D.C.

00:03:03.060 Today is August 21st, 2025.

00:03:06.020 Anno Domini, the much safer Washington, D.C.

00:03:10.220 Whereas, of course, we just saw the news that Washington, D.C. has, for the first time in a very, very long time,

00:03:18.380 gone an entire week without a single homicide.

00:03:22.180 You'd think, by the way, that that wouldn't be something that we'd be cheering about in our nation's capital,

00:03:28.700 but it is because that's just how bad the situation has become here in D.C.

00:03:36.100 It's one of the reasons that I and many other people that I know in Washington, D.C., that we don't take our kids out.

00:03:42.640 We don't go to the parks. Certainly, if you're going anywhere, you're not going after night.

00:03:46.840 And, of course, we also it's by the way.

00:03:49.860 So President Trump has been talking about the Smithsonian and wanting to fix up the Smithsonian.

00:03:54.080 And I'm saying, wait a minute, he must be watching human events daily again,

00:03:58.500 because I've been railing against the D.C. museums all year, specifically this summer.

00:04:04.140 I know I talked about the Spy Museum a couple of times and we've mentioned a few others as well.

00:04:08.480 The museums are an absolute joke.

00:04:10.620 They teach lies as truth when you come into the city and you just can't do it.

00:04:14.800 You just absolutely can't have it for the kids.

00:04:17.040 So as as a dad, as a father who has young children in the D.C. area, you know, this is absolutely something that I support.

00:04:26.600 Thank you, Mr. President.

00:04:27.820 I've watched all of the videos that have come out thus far, and I haven't seen a single one that I disagree with.

00:04:34.460 Funny enough, you also can't seem to find any of the videos of people being arrested by ICE where they're speaking English.

00:04:41.880 Amazing. Well, folks, we're looking at, of course, the Ukraine Russia situation deal or no deal.

00:04:50.440 And we saw the momentum early on this week, which was huge.

00:04:55.040 Of course, even at the tail end of last week, their historic moments in Anchorage, Alaska,

00:05:01.660 the Anchorage Accords that sit down with Vladimir Putin, Sergei Lavrov and others.

00:05:07.820 Then the multilateral meeting, which came on Monday just 48 hours later, where you had the heads of seven world leaders coming to the White House, France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy.

00:05:22.660 They were all there. Ursula von der Leyen, even Alexander Stubb of Finland.

00:05:26.980 But the question is, here's the question. Will the deal come out? Because you've got an issue here.

00:05:37.280 And one of the tensions is short game versus long game. All right.

00:05:40.260 For the Americans, they're looking at it from the perspective of a short game.

00:05:44.920 The Ukrainians are looking at it from the perspective of a short game. So are the Europeans. 0.97

00:05:48.000 Because all of those leaders are directly tied to election cycles.

00:05:53.220 They're also directly tied to the current public opinion of the time.

00:05:58.020 The Russians don't have that. So the Russian leadership is looking at this from the long game perspective.

00:06:04.600 And from the long game perspective, they're saying, what kind of deal, what kind of assurances can you give us?

00:06:11.360 What do we want? By the way, I mentioned yesterday how they want to bring the United Nations in.

00:06:15.600 They said U.N. Permanent Security Council, which would include China.

00:06:19.900 Zelensky then came out yesterday and said, absolutely not anything with China.

00:06:25.900 So, again, when it comes to these things, and I had the opportunity, real honor, by the way,

00:06:30.840 to be able to sit in that new media seat in the White House and ask the question of our press secretary, Caroline Levitt,

00:06:36.900 to say, well, when we say security guarantees, what do we mean? Can we elaborate on this?

00:06:41.740 And the devil is in the details, and the devil certainly is in the details here.

00:06:45.440 Because when it comes down to it, a security guarantee from the West means that that country,

00:06:51.880 whether it be the United States, France, England, Germany,

00:06:55.920 you've got to roger up and deploy troops to be willing to go to war with Russia.

00:07:02.400 And no country, not even Poland, has been willing to do that over the last three and a half years. 0.57

00:07:09.660 Are we going to get a deal or not? We'll see.

00:07:12.600 We've got General Flynn coming up next. We're going to get his take on it.

00:07:15.780 Human Events Daily returns.

00:07:17.300 We'll be right back.

00:07:18.400 All right, Jack Posobiec, here we are back live. Human Events Daily, Washington, D.C.

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00:09:16.160 Very excited here on Human Events Daily today, Real America's Voice,

00:09:19.700 that we've got a very special guest rejoining the program from Washington, D.C.

00:09:24.340 It's General Michael T. Flynn.

00:09:25.660 General Flynn, how are you?

00:09:26.440 I'm doing great, Jack.

00:09:28.060 Thanks.

00:09:28.440 Thanks for having me on.

00:09:29.340 It's a very, very important day here.

00:09:31.120 I was listening to the earlier part of the show about the lack of murders in our capital,

00:09:36.760 which is where I'm at right now.

00:09:38.500 And it's sad that we even have to report on that, but we do.

00:09:41.980 So good on President Trump for doing what he did.

00:09:45.420 Oh, it's incredible.

00:09:46.100 And I can't wait to see that ride along later today.

00:09:48.380 I'm sure that's going to be quite the entourage you'll have with him security-wise.

00:09:53.440 But hopefully he won't need as much as usual.

00:09:55.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:57.200 Well, I'm actually here in Washington, D.C.

00:09:58.920 I had a great meeting with the Secretary of Defense this morning on some other issues,

00:10:03.060 but a very important time that we are in right now.

00:10:06.880 A lot of things still coming out from the DNI and I think DOJ over the weekend.

00:10:13.800 So a lot of things happening.

00:10:15.820 In addition to, I know what you wanted to talk about really was this deal or no deal, right?

00:10:21.380 Are we going to get a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine, and frankly, Russia and the West,

00:10:28.360 as we saw Trump meeting with damn near half of the European Union and NATO the other day.

00:10:34.040 So I think where we're at right now, and one little piece of intel, and I'm not sure a lot of people track the breach.

00:10:46.400 It was a cybersecurity attack against Ukraine recently, like recently being the last 96 hours.

00:10:52.300 And there was a range of data.

00:10:55.420 One of the points of data was the number of killed in action over the last three years.

00:10:59.460 The records of the deceased were actually part of the attack.

00:11:04.940 And we're looking at 1.7 million people that have been killed in this war just in the last three years alone.

00:11:13.080 So during the Biden administration, when President Trump says, we've got to stop the killing, I mean, the numbers of deceased that were reported on,

00:11:25.420 and then now from this breach of this cyber attack, and we're not sure who exactly did it yet,

00:11:32.200 whether it's the Russians or whether it's the Chinese or whether it's internal, no clue yet.

00:11:36.860 But the numbers of killed in action, civilians and military is just staggering.

00:11:43.380 So there has to be some recognition of those numbers to, you know, for those that are trying to come to grips with how do we achieve a long lasting peace deal, right?

00:11:58.560 Not a ceasefire that they typically don't end well, but a long term peace agreement.

00:12:05.320 And I do think that there's going to be some security guarantees that are going to have to be given to Ukraine.

00:12:11.960 I've called for, Jack, I've called for an election, an immediate election in both Ukraine, and then that election,

00:12:21.540 a referendum of sorts for not only the president of the country of Ukraine, the government of Ukraine,

00:12:28.120 but also a referendum on what the people in those eastern Donbasses want to do.

00:12:32.860 Give them a choice, right?

00:12:33.960 We want to have people given the freedom to choose, you know, where they stand.

00:12:39.140 You give those people a choice as well.

00:12:41.040 We can do those things.

00:12:42.320 We've set those kind of international elections up.

00:12:45.460 We've monitored them.

00:12:46.400 The United States of America, there's nobody does it better if we have the right people,

00:12:50.420 and we're not trying to sway a country one direction or another.

00:12:55.480 So those are just a couple of things that need to be considered as we go forward in coming up with a peace negotiation and a peace deal.

00:13:05.800 Never mind the, I think, what can be huge, huge benefits will be an economic, and we have the best president in our history to be at the helm right now in the United States to come up with probably one of the best economic deals between not only Ukraine and Russia,

00:13:23.820 but between Russia and Europe and Russia and the rest of the world, you know, so there's so much at stake there.

00:13:30.280 The other thing that I have asked for and I've spoken about is I kind of call it a mini Marshall plan.

00:13:36.420 Most people don't remember the Marshall plan post-World War II where we rebuilt all of Europe.

00:13:41.140 So we would have to come up with some type of mini Marshall plan, if you will, and I know that that's on the table, not necessarily in that name, but a reconstruction effort inside of Ukraine, and frankly, it could help out Russia as well because there's been some things that have been destroyed in there too.

00:13:58.200 But some type of mini Marshall plan is part of this long-term peace agreement that allows people to come together and rebuild and retool what it is that we need to have, not only in Eastern Europe, but certainly globally, and certainly for all of Europe, to stop this fighting.

00:14:20.060 We have to stop this fighting to stop this killing.

00:14:23.740 Neither side, Jack, can afford it any longer.

00:14:26.980 The manpower is not there.

00:14:28.800 The economies are not there.

00:14:30.740 And more attrition is not in anybody's benefit except for probably the CCP.

00:14:38.740 I think that one of the great beneficiaries here is China.

00:14:42.300 So let me stop there if you have any questions.

00:14:46.320 So the question I have is going back to, and I asked Press Secretary Caroline Levitt about this on Tuesday in the White House,

00:14:54.600 is also an elaboration of these security guarantees because we hear from some reports that they're talking about Article 5-like guarantees.

00:15:04.620 We hear NATO, but no NATO.

00:15:06.660 President Trump says unequivocally no U.S. troops on the ground, possibly some air.

00:15:12.460 But when it really comes down to it, doesn't this all run up against the deadlock of you're going to need some country then if you're providing those security guarantees,

00:15:22.600 you're going to need some country to be able to say that they're willing to go to war with Russia and be willing to put actual boots on the ground in a scenario like this.

00:15:32.260 And I'm looking around and I just don't see anyone in Western Europe or the United States, quite frankly, that's going to be saying that they're willing to do so.

00:15:40.560 Yeah. So a couple of things, Jack.

00:15:42.500 First of all, Ukraine does not meet the conditions to join NATO.

00:15:45.460 They just don't.

00:15:46.760 They also do not meet the conditions to join the European Union.

00:15:49.860 So those are pretty high standards.

00:15:52.120 And there's still countries in the Balkans that are trying to join the European Union,

00:15:56.060 but they have not been able to because they can't meet the conditions to join that particular consortium.

00:16:02.360 So just put that in a box.

00:16:04.560 Now what we're talking about is the potential to deploy military forces in some type of posture,

00:16:11.480 maybe as a barrier force in between and sort of a no man's land between the two countries.

00:16:17.760 So who is going to do that?

00:16:19.300 And the question there is, should it be NATO or should it be the European Union?

00:16:23.360 Because the European Union has a military force all of its own.

00:16:27.940 So it doesn't necessarily, the answer doesn't have to be NATO.

00:16:31.680 And I also want people to understand that as we go forward, one of the important parts of what is happening

00:16:39.660 and what's been going on is the real, the destruction is so monumental that there's going to have to be some sit down.

00:16:50.200 So you achieve a peace agreement, but part of that peace agreement has to be a recognition

00:16:56.360 that we are going to have to rebuild parts of that country, in this case, Ukraine,

00:17:02.220 and probably certainly elements along the border, certainly some of the cities and towns along the border,

00:17:08.160 as well as even into the Crimea area.

00:17:10.860 So those elements, is it the European Union that should step in and help there?

00:17:17.740 Is it the world?

00:17:19.020 Is it countries like the Republic of Korea?

00:17:21.540 Is it Japan?

00:17:22.720 Are there other countries that step into this role?

00:17:27.160 What I do not recommend is I do not recommend the United Nations stepping in,

00:17:31.860 because I think it would become a quagmire of sorts, and it's the wrong direction to take.

00:17:36.700 I think that there has to be a direct responsibility by Europe, and I think principally the European Union,

00:17:44.420 more so than NATO, because NATO is what it is.

00:17:48.300 It has a high standard of coming and joining.

00:17:51.740 It is a defensive charter.

00:17:54.940 When they talk about Article 5, like, what does that mean?

00:17:58.200 Does that mean if something happens?

00:17:59.900 How do you prove that what happened happened?

00:18:02.520 Then do you respond to it immediately?

00:18:04.440 Do you gather the intelligence and you do the analysis as to what happened before you make decisions

00:18:10.820 to deploy troops against, in this case, Russia?

00:18:14.700 So big questions, and I do think that Europe, and that's why I'm so glad that Trump had that mini-summit,

00:18:20.620 really a European summit in the Oval Office,

00:18:24.340 they're the ones that are going to have to take responsibility.

00:18:27.040 I think President Trump is doing all he can to bring the capabilities, the intellect, and the resources of the United States to help where we can help.

00:18:38.020 But we have other issues, and he knows this, right here at home, that have to be dealt with.

00:18:43.140 Not only our border, not only our own streets and making them safe, as he's done in Washington, D.C.,

00:18:48.160 but we've got to rebuild our military.

00:18:50.400 We've got to retool our military.

00:18:52.060 We've got to get our own—

00:18:52.840 We certainly do.

00:18:53.580 General Flynn, we've got a quick break coming up.

00:18:56.620 Let's hold there.

00:18:57.640 I want to hold you over after this, because this is a thorny, Gordian knot, if you will, the Odessian knot.

00:19:05.460 President Trump, if anyone can solve it, it will be him.

00:19:09.540 Right back, Jack Possovich, Human Events on Real America's Voice.

00:19:12.300 They talk about influencers.

00:19:20.540 These are influencers, and they're friends of mine.

00:19:24.800 Jack Possovich.

00:19:26.280 Where's Jack?

00:19:27.240 Jack.

00:19:28.220 He's done a great job.

00:19:29.680 All right, Jack Possovich back live here at Human Events Daily, Washington, D.C.

00:19:39.140 We're on today with General Michael Flynn.

00:19:41.280 He just met with Secretary Hegg Seth.

00:19:44.500 He's here in Washington, D.C., as well, getting up to speed and briefed in on a lot of different things that are going on,

00:19:51.000 talking about rebuilding the force.

00:19:52.400 But, General Flynn, I wanted to get into, if we could, from a military intelligence perspective,

00:19:57.560 since we do have your expertise with us and you've been gracious with your time.

00:20:01.500 When you look at the battlefield right now, and this is something that I've brought up again and again with my contacts in D.C.

00:20:08.620 as well as when I was on this trip up to Anchorage and then back in the White House for this multilateral, the mini summit,

00:20:14.500 the military situation on the battlefield, it's favoring the Russians at this point.

00:20:21.680 And so when we're talking about this deal, I think everyone needs to remember that the Russians either have to agree or disagree.

00:20:29.840 And right now there's a lot of people to the right of where Putin is right now in the Kremlin saying,

00:20:36.000 why make a deal at all?

00:20:37.520 Why not just keep going, take Odessa, work our way up the river to Kiev and just be done with the whole thing?

00:20:43.560 Because we've had deals.

00:20:44.820 We've had Minsk Accords and Budapest Agreements and memorandums, and they never seem to be followed.

00:20:50.300 So why not just go for the whole thing?

00:20:52.020 And it seems to me that it's easier for the Russians to walk away right now than it is for us, and they seem more willing to. 1.00

00:20:59.500 Yeah, and I wrote about this the other day where I said, you know, to the victor goes the spoils in war.

00:21:04.580 But in this case, the victor so far is Russia.

00:21:08.200 And so you're exactly right to raise this issue because the Russians may not hold the moral high ground, but they hold the ground. 0.85

00:21:17.020 And they're in a much better posture militarily than the Ukrainian military.

00:21:24.560 Now, when you talk about an array of forces, when you look at the size and scale and capabilities of the Russian military compared to the Ukrainian military, it's much different.

00:21:34.020 And despite all of the potential equipment sales and provisions that have been given to the Ukrainians, they are running out of fighting age males because of the number of losses that they have had, and frankly, the defections.

00:21:50.180 And that's one of the indicators that you look for from a military intelligence perspective.

00:21:53.880 If you look at the morale and inside of the opposing force that you're facing, and I can tell you the morale inside the Ukrainian military is not high.

00:22:02.520 And the fact that they're now having to force much older men, in this case, 60-year-olds and above, to come into the military to be able to fight on the front lines.

00:22:12.280 So, you know, I don't know if Russia has the ambition.

00:22:18.020 There are probably some on the far right in Russia, far right of Putin that, and that means really far right, that want to go and take over Kiev and all of Ukraine.

00:22:27.920 But I actually think that there is a group around Putin that says, look, we hold this ground right now, we're in a really strong negotiating position, we want to maintain what we have, and basically hold what we have, and keep that as our strategy, and not necessarily threaten all of Europe, which the Russians don't have the capability to do that.

00:22:51.400 So anybody that says, well, you know, NATO's worried about Russia attacking across the plains of Europe, that's not the Warsaw Pact anymore.

00:22:58.860 They do not have the rear end, the capacity, the capability to do that.

00:23:02.860 They have barely the capability to do what they're doing in Ukraine, but they hold the ground right now.

00:23:08.800 And, you know, you use the term Odessa and not, that people need to pay really close attention because Odessa, Crimea, and the Black Sea are parts of this deal that Russia desperately needs, because there is an economic angle to this war.

00:23:26.940 Sure. That's where President Trump—

00:23:28.940 Well, I've said for a long time, and this may be my bias as a Navy guy, but, you know, when I look at the port city of Odessa, the Dardanelles Strait, the mouth to the Black Sea, I say, this is everything.

00:23:42.460 This is everything right here.

00:23:44.220 It is probably the most strategic point that the Russians have ever held, and it's something that we're going to have to deal with. 0.98

00:23:52.280 We have to work with them.

00:23:53.500 You know, there's still control mechanisms within the Black Sea.

00:23:56.680 You mentioned the Dardanelles, of course, the eastern Mediterranean.

00:23:59.800 I mean, so when you look at the bigger picture here, Jack, it's not just these eastern provinces of Ukraine.

00:24:05.740 There is a much bigger play here, and this is where we're going to have to try to figure out in a long-term peace deal, what does that mean?

00:24:13.560 Does it mean constant direct access by the Russian Black Sea fleet to be able to exit and entrance, you know, the Dardanelles Strait to get into the Mediterranean and then operate in the east, at least in the eastern med?

00:24:24.860 I mean, they have not been able to do that for a long, long time, and they only started to do that back around probably 10 years ago when they brought their Black Sea fleet out to actually support our operations against ISIS in Syria.

00:24:40.600 When the United States of America and the U.S. military, U.S. military and Russian forces were working together, that was at the tail end of really the – well, actually, it was probably the middle of the Obama administration.

00:24:54.720 So, I mean, there's so much history here that we have to – in recent history – that we have to understand to be able to have this negotiated settlement that has a long-term value to it, a long-term value proposition, not just something that is a ceasefire, which will end, you know, the next time somebody blinks the wrong way.

00:25:13.220 So that map that you're showing is so meaningful, and I do know that there's some other things that are going to be in play here.

00:25:20.460 I love the fact – and let me just throw this in because it matters – Trump's pressure on Venezuela right now, okay?

00:25:29.560 Russia has a long-term, and they have, you know, sites inside of Venezuela.

00:25:37.160 Venezuela is right off of our borders here, folks. 0.87

00:25:39.800 So this pressure that Trump is providing against Venezuela right now matters to these negotiations.

00:25:45.640 This is why when people talk about 3D, 4D, 5D, chess, Trump is a master at this, and he's got levers of power and levers of authority that he's able to exert when he goes in to bring these two presidents together.

00:26:03.220 Last point, Jack, and I'll get off my high horse.

00:26:06.060 In the Oval Office, there was a question to Zelensky about, well, are you going to have an election again?

00:26:11.240 And, you know, you declared martial law, right?

00:26:13.060 And he says, well, no, we can't have an election until the war is over.

00:26:16.060 Wait a second.

00:26:17.080 You know, as I wrote about the other day, during the American Civil War, we've had elections.

00:26:21.180 During World War II, we've had elections.

00:26:23.240 So that's a misnomer.

00:26:25.920 For Zelensky to say that, to me, that means he's in a very weakened position, and the Russians know that.

00:26:31.880 I believe that Europe knows that.

00:26:34.240 He's in a weakened position because the people – and I think we talked about this maybe off camera.

00:26:38.200 So the people in Ukraine, it's 60%, 70% in a recent Gallup poll that said, we don't want this war anymore.

00:26:44.000 They want to negotiate and end this thing.

00:26:46.580 That's right.

00:26:47.060 General Flynn, we've got to run.

00:26:49.400 I know you've got to run.

00:26:50.600 You've got a number of meetings.

00:26:51.660 I want to thank you for being so gracious with your time.

00:26:53.800 Where can people go to follow you and get all your access to your state reps?

00:26:57.320 And they go to GeneralFlynn.com.

00:26:59.260 GeneralFlynn.com.

00:27:00.140 I got a new book out, Pardon of Innocence.

00:27:01.820 It's a great bestseller.

00:27:03.380 So GeneralFlynn.com.

00:27:04.540 Thanks, Jack.

00:27:05.660 GeneralFlynn.com.

00:27:06.720 Get that book.

00:27:07.580 Make sure you're supporting a great American general.

00:27:10.480 Be right back.

00:27:11.080 Human Events Daily with America's Voice.

00:27:16.260 Jack.

00:27:18.180 Where's Jack?

00:27:20.300 Where is he?

00:27:21.560 Jack, I want to see you.

00:27:25.220 Great job, Jack.

00:27:26.700 Thank you.

00:27:27.420 What a job you do.

00:27:28.880 You know, we have an incredible thing.

00:27:30.260 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad.

00:27:32.560 But we have guys.

00:27:33.940 And these are the guys who should be getting Pulisic.

00:27:37.580 All right, Jack.

00:27:38.580 Here we are back.

00:27:39.680 Human Events Daily, Washington, D.C.

00:27:43.800 We're talking about deal or no deal.

00:27:46.960 What is the situation?

00:27:48.480 Does it seem like the deadlock, the diplomatic deadlock is locked in?

00:27:52.800 Or will President Trump, ironically, be going to Alaska to thaw the ice?

00:27:58.580 Well, he certainly has thawed it, in a sense, with Russia.

00:28:01.340 The question is, will he be able to get Europe to come along?

00:28:06.000 Wanted to get Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer on right now.

00:28:09.140 We just had General Flynn give us his sit rep.

00:28:11.980 And I wanted to bring Tony Schaefer on now.

00:28:14.140 Lieutenant Colonel Schaefer, how are you?

00:28:15.880 Hey, I'm well.

00:28:16.560 Jack.

00:28:16.840 Always great to join.

00:28:17.520 Thanks for having me.

00:28:18.120 My gosh.

00:28:19.760 So, Tony, you know, I always tell people that every time I have you on, I just you've got

00:28:23.120 to take the biggest victory lap ever, because Tony Schaefer was the one who told us, look

00:28:28.200 to the end of July.

00:28:29.260 The end of July is when all of Ukraine is going to blow up. 1.00

00:28:33.820 There's going to be counteroffensives.

00:28:35.400 There's going to be all this stuff going on.

00:28:37.120 And nobody in the world was talking about it except for Tony Schaefer.

00:28:41.260 And that's exactly what happened.

00:28:43.500 Not only did we see that breakout by the Russian forces, but it also triggered what?

00:28:49.380 A worries about a collapse in Ukraine.

00:28:51.480 And then this huge, monumental, historic swing of diplomatic meetings with President

00:28:58.000 Trump, Vladimir Putin, and the multilateral mini summit at the White House.

00:29:02.700 So kudos to you, Tony, for just nailing that.

00:29:05.180 Yeah.

00:29:07.120 So, Tony, when, and we're just playing a clip of the summit there.

00:29:20.460 So, Tony, when, you know, when you look at things, you know, you saw that at the beginning

00:29:24.980 of the summer, you saw that this would be an inflection point.

00:29:27.800 Where do you see things as it stands now?

00:29:31.260 Well, to summarize the military situation, it's dire for Ukraine.

00:29:35.020 I don't think people fully understand it.

00:29:36.860 I think President Trump has people around him who are not quite being honest with him

00:29:41.540 regarding how bad it is.

00:29:44.000 The whole Portrovsk encirclement.

00:29:48.480 Anybody can go.

00:29:49.340 There's a number of outlets which are covering this.

00:29:51.700 And the Russians, while they're not anxious to get it done, they are getting it done.

00:29:56.080 And they're strangling off the last effective forces.

00:29:59.520 Azov Brigade is there deployed.

00:30:01.060 The Azov Brigade is being essentially used as kind of a stopgap to stop the inevitable.

00:30:08.400 It's just coming.

00:30:09.660 And once it happens, it's going to be catastrophic for the Ukrainian military.

00:30:14.160 There's been some leaked documents, which I don't necessarily think are completely accurate.

00:30:19.840 But there are indications that finally the word is out about the enormous losses of Ukraine.

00:30:25.880 And Jack, we've talked about this in the beginning of the war.

00:30:28.500 The Russians have an order of magnitude more people to throw at this. 0.99

00:30:32.580 And they don't have to do it all at once.

00:30:33.780 And they're not.

00:30:34.900 So I think that Putin, Vladimir Putin, probably had a private conversation with President Trump

00:30:42.200 saying, look, this is all over.

00:30:45.220 We're kind of holding back because we don't see the need to be aggressive to the point

00:30:51.220 of where we have to go to the Dnepr.

00:30:52.360 But we're going to continue to move forward.

00:30:54.920 And I think that's the military situation.

00:30:57.760 The diplomatic situation, the Europeans, Jack, continue to drag their feet.

00:31:02.040 You saw Mertz, you know, the German chancellor saying, oh, we want this ceasefire.

00:31:07.460 Nobody's going to go for a ceasefire at this point who understands the situation.

00:31:11.180 And the Russians most certainly will not because they're winning.

00:31:13.660 So I think that's the situation.

00:31:15.900 And the question becomes, will President Trump have the force of will, I'd like to believe,

00:31:21.420 within the next 10 days to get Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelensky together in a room

00:31:28.120 somewhere where they can sit down and hash out the two issues which remain.

00:31:32.740 What exactly does security guarantees mean?

00:31:35.020 Because that's the big issue.

00:31:36.960 And secondly, what land is going to go where regarding the outcome?

00:31:41.260 And I know there continues to be this reluctance to give up the land the Russians hold.

00:31:46.000 But I just don't see any way out of giving some land to the Russians. 0.98

00:31:49.820 So that's the way I see the situation right now.

00:31:51.820 And it's it's it really comes down to it.

00:31:56.540 And I've seen I saw one report earlier this morning saying that Zelensky is at least privately

00:32:03.680 conceding that he likely will have to say have to agree to a frozen conflict along at least

00:32:10.460 the contact line where it is now, which is strikingly similar to those old maps of Novorossia.

00:32:16.500 And this this the idea of new Russia or Malorossia, like the little Russia that they would that 0.98

00:32:22.600 they would show you go back to the Russian Civil War.

00:32:24.980 This was very much the same area where the white army was able to make some of their final 0.51

00:32:30.820 stand against the Bolsheviks.

00:32:32.200 So this these are cities.

00:32:33.800 These are.

00:32:34.580 And when I say cities, I mean, I mean, you know, towns, villages, farmlands that have seen

00:32:40.000 war after war after war.

00:32:42.020 So in the Russian Civil War, which, of course, in this program, I've talked about at great

00:32:46.080 length, as well as, of course, World War Two, many of the same area.

00:32:49.920 I mean, when people look at a map, you know, the Battle of Kursk, it happens right there.

00:32:53.720 And then Stalingrad is really not much further to to the east of of Donbass.

00:32:59.260 And I think people need to remember that that Donbass is sort of the door to it's not Stalingrad

00:33:05.000 anymore.

00:33:05.440 It's Volgograd now, but really the door to the Volga.

00:33:07.780 And then that cuts you right up to Moscow.

00:33:09.500 So this is key strategic land for the Russians, something that they fought for for a long,

00:33:15.000 long time and something that they take very seriously.

00:33:18.600 Yeah.

00:33:19.120 And to that point, I still see this entire engagement as a form of civil war.

00:33:23.260 I just don't believe we should have been ever involved to the level we are at this point.

00:33:27.760 With that said, if anyone who looks at the Battle of Kursk, the Battle of Stalingrad, once

00:33:32.940 those major engagements were done, once the Russian military had open field, they took it.

00:33:38.340 And I mean fast.

00:33:40.200 So I keep hearing Keith Kellogg and others say, well, you know, they've been they've been

00:33:44.420 at war for three years and they've not made a lot of gains.

00:33:47.160 They don't have to.

00:33:48.940 The basic philosophy and strategy is attrition.

00:33:51.960 They want to demilitarize Ukraine, which is and frankly, NATO as well.

00:33:55.720 And that's what they've been doing.

00:33:57.340 And the other thing, Jack, I find interesting is this whole idea of a security guarantee, security

00:34:02.740 force, many of the European nations are not prepared to do anything.

00:34:08.320 I mean, I think the British Army right now is smaller than the Mississippi National Guard.

00:34:13.520 So I just don't know how the European militaries who were significant during the Cold War have

00:34:21.360 been reduced to probably one tenth of their size during that time.

00:34:25.160 And and how the guarantee that, you know, how they want to put boots on the ground constantly.

00:34:29.600 Jack, it's insane.

00:34:31.060 And I think one of the things that has to be introduced to the conversation is reality.

00:34:36.100 So much of what I see posturing from the Europeans is based on fiction. 0.98

00:34:39.940 And I think President Trump has to be a lot more vigorous.

00:34:42.560 I know he's trying to be polite and diplomatic.

00:34:44.120 Like he needs and he did call out Mertz, but he's got to be a lot more direct about what

00:34:48.660 he, President Trump, wants regarding an end state, because left to the devices of both

00:34:53.320 sides, it's never going to happen.

00:34:55.240 He's got to be the leader.

00:34:56.340 He's got to set up the framework and he's got to say, this is what has to be done and

00:35:00.140 go with that.

00:35:01.020 I think that's the only way this is going to be resolved.

00:35:04.100 You know, in fact, and if you look at that video, when they're all sitting there around

00:35:07.800 the table in the multilat, when Mertz brought that up about, oh, we're going to

00:35:13.980 push for a ceasefire and we need a ceasefire.

00:35:16.140 We need the preconditions for the ceasefire before we move to peace talks.

00:35:20.700 You see Maloney just gives him the eye roll.

00:35:23.360 It's just like, what are you talking about here?

00:35:27.000 And then Trump kind of looked at him with the side eye.

00:35:29.660 It says, you know, I've done, you know, six, seven peace deals in wars all around the

00:35:34.520 world, and none of them followed this standard of a ceasefire and then a peace deal.

00:35:39.820 We just went right to the peace deal.

00:35:41.160 And I, I, I have to commend the president as well for just having that willingness to

00:35:45.440 say, we're going to cut through all this bureaucratic red tape.

00:35:48.300 This is, it's, it's very, by the way, very old world to have to go through multiple layers

00:35:53.000 of bureaucracy to get to a deal here.

00:35:55.740 And I think someone at one point in the meeting said, oh, let's, you know, let's, let's try

00:35:59.800 to get the date on the month, a date on the books for a month from now for the next meeting.

00:36:04.900 He goes a month, a month, no, let's call him right now.

00:36:07.960 And he calls Putin right in the middle of the meeting.

00:36:10.300 Yeah.

00:36:11.040 Well, see, that's, to me, this was a bringing back of the TV show, The Apprentice, the European 0.82

00:36:18.040 edition, where he's basically, I love that.

00:36:21.080 Think about this.

00:36:22.020 I have never seen, and I've talked to a lot of reporters about this too.

00:36:25.020 They have never seen every major leader in Europe drop everything and show up in DC

00:36:31.180 because of your, your point.

00:36:33.040 These visits are normally planned out incrementally over like six months and everything is where

00:36:38.860 it works right now.

00:36:40.700 Basically, we're going to have a talk.

00:36:42.500 If you want to talk, you show up, you be at the table.

00:36:44.620 Otherwise we're moving on.

00:36:46.260 And I think, Jack, that's, what's got to continue.

00:36:49.120 You can't, you can show no fear to the Russians.

00:36:51.920 You can give no deference to the Europeans because either side is going to bog you down. 0.97

00:36:56.300 So you got it, you got to continue to go forward.

00:36:59.320 And again, that's why I think it's so important that President Trump personally called for

00:37:03.360 Zelensky and Putin to meet with him somewhere next week, maybe Budapest.

00:37:09.760 Well, and you've heard Budapest as a potential, although Zelensky, I've also heard is, is really

00:37:15.820 throwing cold water on that because you've got a huge, a really big row between them and

00:37:20.060 the Hungarians to talk about.

00:37:21.700 And I saw the two foreign ministers going back and forth.

00:37:24.040 We've got a quick break coming up.

00:37:25.380 We can get into that a little bit, but some real questions about the bombing of a pipeline

00:37:30.180 going from Ukraine into Hungary that was providing the gas and the hunger and the Hungarians

00:37:37.200 coming out and saying, Peter Siarta, the foreign minister who I've interviewed on this program

00:37:40.900 has said, wait a minute, you know, we're not getting bombed by the Russians.

00:37:43.560 We're getting bombed by the Ukrainians. 1.00

00:37:45.020 So you don't just get to turn around and blame the other guys for, for that.

00:37:50.320 You're the ones who did it.

00:37:51.680 So you're already seeing a lot of this regarding Budapest.

00:37:54.960 So we'll see.

00:37:55.620 We'll see if Budapest is a, uh, a likely option.

00:37:59.040 I think if president Trump wants to get it done, I know he'll be able to get it done.

00:38:02.680 Be right back here.

00:38:03.760 Jack Posobiec, Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer, Human Events Daily on Real America's Voice.

00:38:08.560 Jack is a great guy.

00:38:18.700 He's written a fantastic book.

00:38:20.500 Everybody's talking about it.

00:38:21.700 Go get it.

00:38:22.860 And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.

00:38:26.780 And we're going to turn it around and make our country great to get to him.

00:38:30.060 Amen.

00:38:30.320 All right, Jack Posobiec.

00:38:35.300 We're back on live here, Human Events Daily.

00:38:39.740 And here's what we're getting out from.

00:38:41.860 I'll just read a couple of the headlines on Ukraine, Russia.

00:38:45.640 So, um, Russia saying Ukraine is not interested in long-term peace.

00:38:52.700 The Guardian and, and, you know, of course, take it with a grain of salt, but the Guardian

00:38:56.500 saying Trump is stepping back from Russia and Ukraine peace talks for now, according to their

00:39:02.600 sources.

00:39:03.500 Reuters coming out and confirming what I said, let's see, two days ago now in the White House

00:39:09.860 press briefing room.

00:39:10.800 They're saying some, by the way, I love this Reuters claims it's an exclusive.

00:39:14.760 I said this in the press briefing room two days ago.

00:39:16.820 They're saying Putin says Putin's demand to Ukraine, give up Donbass, no NATO and no Western

00:39:22.420 troops.

00:39:23.200 Interesting.

00:39:23.740 Cause pretty sure somebody said that in the White House press briefing room a couple of

00:39:27.320 days ago, but that's all right.

00:39:28.720 That's all right.

00:39:29.400 Reuters.

00:39:29.740 You can have your fun.

00:39:30.960 Uh, Europeans back Zelensky in Washington, et cetera, et cetera. 0.96

00:39:35.300 People are talking about slow walking it now.

00:39:37.380 So let me go back to Tony Schaefer here.

00:39:39.500 Lieutenant Colonel Schaefer, you know, what we're talking about in terms of this military

00:39:42.840 situation is really the, the onus isn't on the Russians.

00:39:47.340 The onus is on everyone who wants peace because the Russians, I think have made it pretty clear 0.95

00:39:53.400 that if they want to hold this conversation with Ukraine, they're doing so on the battlefield

00:39:58.500 and certainly every night and they're, they're not holding up.

00:40:02.360 They hit this factory last night.

00:40:03.640 Um, and, and people are arguing about what exactly it was, but apparently it was some

00:40:07.740 U S ties to, uh, to the company that was involved in the defense sector there.

00:40:12.020 We know, of course, the U S has been supplying, uh, weapons to Ukraine since the very start.

00:40:16.060 So there's, there's no surprises there, but it really seems though, that like, like I said,

00:40:20.760 to general Flynn, it's much easier for the Russians to walk away from this than it is for,

00:40:25.120 for us and the Europeans.

00:40:26.520 Well, that's the issue.

00:40:28.620 Um, the, the Russians will insinuate a military solution unless something else is acted upon

00:40:36.880 and they will not be acted upon.

00:40:39.400 They are acting.

00:40:40.260 And this is where I think Putin and Jack, you were there.

00:40:43.120 Look, Putin showed a great deal of respect to president Trump.

00:40:46.800 I think it's absolutely correct that Putin would not have invaded.

00:40:50.900 I think Joe Biden opened that door by saying that, that, that we, the United States would accept

00:40:55.620 a limited incursion.

00:40:56.900 Well, that's kind of what happened.

00:40:58.660 So I, I, I think at this point it's, it's going to come down to the power of personality

00:41:05.580 and trying to put these things, these guys in the same room.

00:41:09.300 And the other thing that happened today is, uh, Zelensky basically, uh, it was, I think

00:41:14.820 Lavrov said that, uh, they, the Russians believe the, the, the Russian speaking provinces

00:41:22.420 need to be Russian and they would accept that that's an acceptable outcome. 1.00

00:41:26.760 And of course, Zelensky immediately vetoed it saying, no, everything is Ukrainian.

00:41:31.480 Then they will speak Ukrainian.

00:41:32.520 So that's part of the problem.

00:41:33.980 So again, I think, uh, there's nothing.

00:41:38.400 The Ukrainians have left other than bluster and unless, and again, I agree with president 1.00

00:41:45.040 Trump.

00:41:45.580 We need to do something to stop the, the, the, the unneeded debt people and Ukrainians are 1.00

00:41:51.640 dying, Jack, on a daily basis for no good reason.

00:41:54.880 The war is over.

00:41:56.080 And I think this is where we have to find a way to, to force, uh, the Ukrainians to understand 1.00

00:42:03.860 putting your people forward in their sixties and under 20.

00:42:08.080 Yeah, it's not, it's not a good look and it's not a, not, it's not going to gain them anything

00:42:12.280 militarily.

00:42:12.880 And I hope president Trump can make that point.

00:42:16.600 Well, and I'm also looking that, uh, professor John Mearsheimer is out again, and he's, he's

00:42:21.960 been saying this quite a bit lately, but he's out again in first post right now saying that

00:42:27.360 he doesn't think that a deal is possible, not from the U S and Russian side, but again,

00:42:34.080 from the Ukrainian and European side, he says that the two countries are poles apart.

00:42:39.200 Talking about Ukraine and Russia, no compromise acceptable to both sides is in sight.

00:42:45.100 And even though president Trump has made these incredible diplomatic flourishes, his personal

00:42:51.080 diplomacy is not going to substitute for hard military realities and says that ultimately

00:42:58.140 this conflict will be decided on the battlefield.

00:43:02.120 Well, again, uh, unless otherwise directed by president Trump, unless he's able to insinuate

00:43:09.520 himself, yeah, that's the outcome is going to be a military one and it's not going to be

00:43:13.720 one that, that, uh, the Ukrainians like, uh, the Russians, if they so choose would I think

00:43:19.300 easily be able to partition Ukraine into two halves go once they're done with the current,

00:43:23.860 uh, line of contact, they could go all the way up to the, to the Dnepr, essentially forcing

00:43:28.580 a partition.

00:43:29.580 And then there's Odessa.

00:43:31.460 Odessa is something still that the Russians would like to have.

00:43:34.600 And if I were the Ukrainians, I, uh, thank my lucky stars that they don't have it yet. 1.00

00:43:40.460 And of course the Europeans want to put boots on the ground into Odessa and some other places. 0.83

00:43:44.800 Again, Jack, I think the Europeans are way out of their league. 1.00

00:43:48.640 Uh, the Europeans, I think have been the biggest deterrent that meeting that you attended with 1.00

00:43:53.340 the president and, and, and Putin should have happened, uh, three months ago, but it was

00:43:58.280 because of their obstinance and unwillingness to be reasonable.

00:44:02.000 I think it delayed it to this point, given if you leave it to them, they will delay it another

00:44:06.040 three months.

00:44:06.740 And I don't think Ukraine has three months left to go.

00:44:08.980 Tony, when, when you're looking at these, what's, what's interesting to me is they're

00:44:14.980 talking about these, these four fortress cities in the Donbass region, that last piece of Donetsk

00:44:21.280 that has yet to fall.

00:44:22.960 And these are really the most fortified pieces of it.

00:44:25.120 And you've been coming on here talking about the importance and strategic importance of

00:44:29.020 these cities in, in this area, because these are the last fortifications all the way up

00:44:34.200 to the river.

00:44:34.780 And now the media hasn't talked about this at all until suddenly this week, when the

00:44:40.020 Russians are saying, just pull out of those cities and let us have them. 1.00

00:44:43.600 Now, all of a sudden the media is admitting that actually those are the last four cities

00:44:49.020 that are left.

00:44:49.960 And there are really no defensive fortifications between there.

00:44:54.600 That's that's Kramatorsk and Slavyansk and the rest all the way up to the river. 0.90

00:44:58.560 I said, wait a minute.

00:44:59.380 That's what Tony was saying the entire time.

00:45:01.340 And they, when, when they said that we were the ones that were spouting propaganda, now

00:45:05.520 they all admit it.

00:45:07.020 Yeah, I know.

00:45:07.740 Well, it's been the issue is that mainstream media has always reported aspirations, not

00:45:12.980 reality.

00:45:13.600 And their aspirations were the Russians are losing. 0.50

00:45:16.720 There's no chance they're going to break out.

00:45:18.700 It's been a fiction.

00:45:19.640 And I think this is where the American public has been badly served by, there's been a handful

00:45:25.140 of networks.

00:45:25.900 You and I work for two that have, I think, been upfront and trying to tell the truth about

00:45:30.720 the reality.

00:45:31.460 And yet we've been the ones who, you know, were pro-Russian for speaking the truth. 0.85

00:45:35.060 I know it's insane.

00:45:36.400 But I think that's the situation right now.

00:45:38.600 They can no longer hide it.

00:45:39.860 It's obvious.

00:45:41.040 And if those cities fall, which, again, I think it's just a matter of weeks, they will

00:45:46.400 not be able to hide that reality.

00:45:48.040 And it's interesting.

00:45:50.460 There was something in the Washington Post, I think, one of the local DC publications

00:45:54.580 saying, well, if Donbass falls, that means that the Russians have a gateway into all of 0.99

00:46:02.680 Europe.

00:46:03.000 It's like saying if New Jersey invades New York, Oklahoma is going to fall.

00:46:11.000 No, it's not related.

00:46:12.480 It's not relatable.

00:46:13.720 Europe is not in danger.

00:46:15.340 Europe is in danger by poking the bear without being prepared defensively to do anything about

00:46:21.840 it should the bear decide to do something.

00:46:23.460 That's the insanity of this, Jack.

00:46:25.100 Again, if you just look at the numbers and the current readiness status of every major

00:46:29.880 European nation, France, Germany, England, Italy, they don't have any capability to actually

00:46:37.960 do what they propose that they would do, which is be an actual 9-1-1 boots on the ground deterrent

00:46:44.920 against Russia.

00:46:46.040 So I don't know what they're smoking.

00:46:48.300 But it's time again for President Trump to kind of force, insinuate the truth on the discussions

00:46:54.520 and all these leaders and force them to understand what's going on.

00:46:57.340 And that's really what it comes down to.

00:47:01.500 Who knows?

00:47:02.160 Maybe he's going on his ride along in D.C. today.

00:47:04.940 Maybe he'll maybe he can send some of these leaders on a ride along of Odessa or ride along

00:47:09.780 of Nikolaev like we did on Human Events Daily three years ago, over three years ago now, right

00:47:15.720 after the war started and saw the destruction and the devastation up close of what's going

00:47:21.920 on and saying, guys, yeah, this thing's only ending in one direction.

00:47:25.780 And for the people who live there, they are not being served by continuing the war.

00:47:31.220 Tony Schaefer, where can people go to follow your content?

00:47:34.080 Check me out on Twitter X.

00:47:36.260 I'm monetizing my account so you'll be able to get special content.

00:47:40.700 And Jack, you're going to be invited to come on.

00:47:42.000 We're going to do some stuff on 9-11, which I think you may want to participate in.

00:47:45.560 And next month.

00:47:47.320 So we're going to have some fun.

00:47:48.300 I have to get our mutual friend, Kurt Weldon, one of my first bosses in politics on Talk

00:47:53.340 About That.

00:47:53.720 Kurt's going to be on, too.

00:47:54.440 Yeah, we're going to be talking a lot about it.

00:47:55.720 He had a great interview with Tucker Carlson and a few others.

00:47:59.620 We'll be there.

00:48:00.320 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, do you have my permission to lay ashore?

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - August 21, 2025

Deal or No Deal - Can Trump Get Putin and Zelensky to the Negotiation Table？

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