Growing anxiety across America as the government shutdown stretches into its fourth week, with officials warning 42 million Americans could lose their food stamp benefits in two weeks. Vice President J.D. Vance just arrived in Israel in an effort to strengthen a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas. President Trump declares that the U.S. is now in an armed conflict with drug cartels.
00:03:41.040And, of course, what you're seeing are the renovations that are being done to the East Wing.
00:03:47.120And so, of course, everyone knows phase one of renovation is demolition.
00:03:51.240And I've got to tell you, my brother, who is an experienced craftsman, had actually said publicly, and I've communicated this as well to the White House,
00:04:02.440that is it possible for perhaps pieces of the historic facade of the East Wing and obviously some of the structural stone there and the rest to be auctioned off at salvage?
00:04:15.640And will there be a possibility for this as possibly a way to even raise funds for the new construction and for the ballroom?
00:04:22.660This has actually been something that my brother has been working on for years.
00:04:27.120As a matter of fact, my wedding gift that I received from him, myself and Tanya Tay, was a piece of the original, I think it's granite, the original granite floor of Independence Hall in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where we got married in Valley Forge.
00:04:45.320And so he got us a piece of the original floor of Independence Hall, where the founders actually walked.
00:04:54.980And I would think it's great if the White House were able to put up something like that or make an auction or make it available for people, because this is, of course, part of history.
00:05:03.420But there's a lot of history of changes to the White House.
00:05:06.260If you go and read about it, the Oval Office has changed.
00:05:09.300The Oval Office actually used to be in the center of the White House.
00:05:13.040The West Wing, of course, didn't exist before FDR.
00:05:15.260So a lot of people saying, oh, what's President Trump doing?
00:05:18.740But in fact, the history of the White House itself has been of an ever-evolving building.
00:05:25.940And President Trump absolutely – and it's just a logical step.
00:05:29.480You've got to put a ballroom in there.
00:05:31.160You need a place to be able to host these great dinners and these great events when you're bringing in heads of state from around the world.
00:05:38.160And, you know, just as a personal touch, I would love if it were to be named the Charles J. Kirk White House ballroom.
00:05:48.120President – or excuse me, Vice President J.D. Vance now landing on the ground in Israel.
00:05:53.280He's gone there to strengthen the peace deal between Israel and Hamas.
00:06:00.300Now, of course, we saw that flare-up over the weekend.
00:06:03.420But J.D. Vance going there, he's accompanied by Whitcoff.
00:06:05.780He's accompanied by Jared Kushner as well.
00:06:08.400And there was this incredible interview that was given on 60 Minutes with Whitcoff and Kushner talking about how, look, you know, these two sides, they want to fight.
00:06:17.320These two sides are really seriously itching for a fight with one another and how it's the United States that's really come down in the middle to be the mediator
00:06:27.660and to be the one that's standing and putting leverage on both sides in a way that, by the way, doesn't look like the United States is able to do directly on Russia the way that we are with Israel
00:06:39.180because Russia does not depend on Israel for anything whatsoever – or excuse me, depend on America for anything whatsoever.
00:06:46.520And what that means is that this latest idea of a Trump-Putin summit in Budapest is now supposedly either being postponed or potentially canceled.
00:10:03.740Now, there was something that you mentioned because I saw clips of your Dr. Phil interview.
00:10:09.300And you mentioned to him about this phrase, words are violence.
00:10:13.480And we hear this phrase over and over and over.
00:10:16.840And what you've done is you've used your clinical research to actually unpack the psychology of what's going on here with these people who actually believe this.
00:10:27.620And, in fact, how it's leading to unhealthy outcomes for a lot of people.
00:10:34.300So people who love that slogan, words are violence, I mean, I try to be charitable and assume that maybe they're coming from a good place.
00:10:41.860But they should know that this actually backfires and has the opposite effect because the way we reduce violence is through dialogue.
00:10:50.520Violence increases when dialogue ceases.
00:10:53.980So when we use phrases like words are violence to try to shut down people that we disagree with, we're actually priming the pump for violence.
00:11:02.100So we definitely want to keep the dialogue going, like Charlie Kirk always said.
00:11:07.820Well, say, now you mentioned you're priming the pump for violence.
00:11:16.000So as a clinical psychologist, if I'm working with violent offenders or you're working in prison populations or even just, you know, regular people with anger management problems,
00:11:25.540one of the first things that you want to do is to teach them how to have dialogue when they are upset because even a mom of a toddler will tell you that using your words will help you to resolve conflicts and not escalate things.
00:11:42.860When people shut down and they stop talking, that's when they're more prone to what psychologists call acting out their feelings.
00:11:50.500That's when they're more prone to violence.
00:11:52.600You know, it's what any, you know, peace negotiator or anything like that will tell you is step one, you want dialogue.
00:12:41.540But for whatever reason, right now, it's coded as a right-leaning, you know, value.
00:12:47.100And my profession, clinical psychologist, literally leans 90% plus to the left.
00:12:53.140So I think that might be why my profession is more pounding the drum about hate speech and bullying and maybe even leading the charge on some of this silencing of dialogue.
00:13:04.640But what I know as a clinical psychologist is the opposite, that we should be promoting free speech.
00:13:11.560That's actually how we reduce, you know, bullying and if there's hate speech or misinformation.
00:13:18.160Experts will actually tell you it's through dialogue.
00:13:21.240You know, even if it's like a KKK member or former jihadis, they'll all tell you that they healed through dialogue.
00:13:28.760So I don't know where this words are violence nonsense is coming from.
00:13:36.080And it seems that and I've done, you know, my fair share of, you know, trying to unpack this pathology.
00:13:42.620But, you know, it seems to come from a place where thinking that that people's feelings being hurt is the same as physical violence that you you've done because there's this word harm.
00:13:55.020And they'll say, well, you did me harm because you harmed my feelings.
00:14:02.140Therefore, for example, Charlie Kirk speaking out on the transgender issue, which is obviously something that he's been quite vocal about, is in fact a form of violence to the transgender community.
00:14:13.200And this is why in the wake of Charlie's murder, even before anyone had been identified, there were a number of people who suggested that perhaps because we've seen so much violence from the trans community that this could and in fact just days before they had shot up a school or this this one trans offender that perhaps there could be a connection.
00:14:33.880And in fact, there was it was a someone who was in a relationship with a transgender boyfriend.
00:14:40.400And so, you know, where where does that idea come in that you harming my feelings is something that's causing me physically physical harm?
00:14:50.720Because you do tend to see this and I'm just going to call it out.
00:14:53.360You tend to see it with a lot of Gen Z where where they're so worried about having their feelings hurt that they almost become, you know, conflict, conflict aversive.
00:15:06.500And, you know, it's it is, of course, it's literally psychotic.
00:15:09.660And in psychology, we call it psychotic when something is, you know, broken from reality.
00:15:16.020And so it's actually a very anxiety evoking way to live your life, to think like, God forbid, somebody says the wrong thing to me.
00:15:23.420You know, my it's like I've been run over by a car.
00:15:27.380Right. Or to think, God forbid, that you say the wrong thing to somebody else.
00:15:30.960Then, you know, it's like you've run them over with a car.
00:15:32.980Now, you bring up the trans issue and the overlap, which I think is interesting, because, frankly, there's a lot of psychoticism, I think, within the trans movement, because, again, going back to this idea that psychotic essentially means out of touch with reality.
00:15:49.500And there are some people who identify as trans that say like Caitlyn Jenner that says, I know I'm a man who has had cosmetic surgery.
00:15:56.860Like Caitlyn knows what he is, but there are many trans people who believe that through their surgeries or whatever, that they literally magically become a member of the opposite sex, which, you know, I would say is a psychotic belief.
00:16:11.420And so it is interesting, as you said, that there is this overlap with the violence.
00:16:16.560In fact, when Governor Tim Walz signed into law, you know, making Minnesota a sanctuary state, there was a Minnesota lawmaker in the background photo with a T-shirt that said, protect trans kids at all costs.
00:16:31.800There's also a lot of medication, obviously, going on within that community.
00:16:36.600And some of that medication could even have side effects that could lead to additional psychoticism, as well as potentially violent behavior, especially if they say anybody who disagrees that I'm, you know, X, you know, gender is, quote, threatening my existence.
00:16:53.940That setting up self-defense language, to your point, this idea that these words are, quote, harming me on a physical level, that's really broken from reality because it's just obviously not true.
00:17:06.780Well, and because, you know, I think there's so many people, obviously, myself included, you know, you ask you, what could possess someone to climb a roof at the middle of a peaceful college campus and, you know, to plan and act as heinous and unspeakably evil as this?
00:17:26.920And something that I've always said is, well, they don't think they're evil.
00:17:31.280And I'll say this as a guy who served at Guantanamo Bay and came face to face with, you just mentioned jihadists.
00:17:39.720I'm not a clinical psychologist, but, you know, I've been up close and personal with those types.
00:17:45.120And again, they don't think they're evil.
00:17:47.020They think it all rationally flows logically from their train of thought.
00:17:51.480And so you have to sort of unpack that to understand why they're doing what they're doing.
00:17:57.280And so they do get—there's something in psychology called the secondary gains of victimhood.
00:18:02.200And so if they fancy themselves the victim of, you know, this violent attack, then one of the maybe secondary gains to that is that it gives them in their mind an excuse to act out violently upon people.
00:18:17.560And it is interesting, of course, that when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, martyred, he was literally in the process—it was the first trans issues question that was posed to him.
00:18:30.960And then that very moment he was in that process of answering, you know, when his life was taken by somebody, as you mentioned, Tyler Robinson, that his boyfriend identified as trans.
00:18:44.820Interestingly, these gentlemen also apparently had some interest or connection with the, quote, furry community, which is another level of psychoticism, right?
00:18:54.820Like, again, this transhuman idea that we can just break from reality.
00:19:00.680Whereas, again, for me as a clinical psychologist—
00:19:03.100Dr. Chloe, we're coming up on a very quick break.
00:19:06.840I'm so sorry that we have to hold this off because this is exactly what we need to be talking about as a country right now.
00:19:15.680Jack Posobiec, Dr. Chloe Carmichael on Real America's Voice.
00:19:18.680All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back.
00:19:38.460We're live with Dr. Chloe Carmichael, clinical psychologist, and she's walking us through the psychology of trans shooters and people who are associated with the trans movement.
00:19:48.680Who have become trans shooters, transhumanists as well, by the way, people who are involved in the furry movement, which is, again, break from reality, all of which tied to extreme sexual behaviors.
00:20:02.180And so, Dr. Chloe, you were telling me just now the secondary gains of victimhood.
00:20:07.860Is that a—this idea that being a victim somehow has value to it?
00:20:14.300Because, you know, I remember I was thinking just during the break, you know, when I was a kid, my father taught me, you know, that classic phrase that perhaps isn't so classic anymore, sticks and stones can break by bones, but words will never hurt me.
00:20:26.980But we don't use that standard anymore.
00:20:29.340Now we use the standard words are violence.
00:20:31.780And you mentioned the anti-bullying movement, and a lot of this does kind of come from there, that, you know, these words, these things that people say are kind of the same thing as violence, whereas, you know, the way my father taught me was you stand up to bullies.
00:21:02.300Yeah, you can stand up to bullies, or sometimes you can realize maybe the person isn't even a bully.
00:21:06.960Maybe, like, I can just brush this off, you know.
00:21:09.560In fact, sometimes people can ironically become the bully through this secondary gains retaliation, right?
00:21:16.980So one of the things I want people to understand is that if you try to silence somebody and take away their right to speak, frankly, you are the bully at that point, right?
00:21:29.160But secondary gains of victimhood is it's psychology 101, the classic example in a psych textbook is as a little girl breaks her leg, she gets to skip gym class, everybody signs her cash, she loves it so much.
00:21:42.220And then when it's time for the cast to come off, she says with all sincerity, no, no, no, no, I still need it, you know.
00:21:48.300And she's not even lying, but she just unconsciously got so attached to this that she comes to not want to part, you know, with the victimhood status and the perks that go with it.
00:21:59.520Now, people can actually wield that victimhood power in a more sophisticated, deliberate, intentional way as well, which, you know, again, if you say, hey, words are violence,
00:22:11.260and therefore your words are bullying me and victimizing me, and now I'm, you know, justified to retaliate, you know, with my fists, you know, I mean, that was one of the bullet etchings on Tyler Robinson's bullet was, you know, hey, fascists, catch these hands, right?
00:22:29.800And as a clinical psychologist, I know that if a patient tells me that he's going to go say something mean and nasty to his neighbor, I'm legally prohibited from breaking that confidentiality.
00:22:42.440But if my patient tells me I'm going to go, you know, punch somebody in the face, then I'm obligated to actually break confidentiality and take action because it's very obvious.
00:22:52.960One is violence and one is not. And we're not helping people by blurring that line with phrases like words are violence.
00:23:01.360By the way, that's secondary gains of victimhood. I think when I was in the Navy, perhaps some of my sailors may have been exploiting that one every once in a while.
00:23:10.420Oh, you know, sir, we're still still feeling sick, sir. Still got to stay in rack. I think I need another light duty chit.
00:23:17.960I think I need another. You know, we certainly by the way, we call that malingering in the Navy.
00:23:23.700And there's some very serious punishments for that, especially when you are at sea.
00:23:28.060And in fact, it is a well-known condition that goes back. Gosh, I don't know, all the way back to the age of sail, you know, thousands of years ago.
00:23:36.160But it's certainly something that we've had to deal with in the Navy.
00:23:39.260But I see the same thought patterns here because you're right.
00:23:42.020They gain this victim status and then they believe that they gain some sort of extra power, extra ability through that victim.
00:23:48.960And we see this all throughout society today, by the way. And it's not just here.
00:23:52.740Going back, though, and kind of drilling down a little bit more on on Robinson, the the effect of now.
00:24:01.880Now, here we see he wasn't necessarily trans himself, certainly had some affinity for the furry culture that we know through his online search history.
00:24:11.060But but is there an element of sort of feeling that he was defending his romantic partner, his boyfriend here?
00:24:18.040Is that is that really kind of how how he saw his act?
00:24:22.200I mean, we can only speculate, of course, but I do think a white knight, knight in shining armor situation, I think, is certainly plausible.
00:24:30.280I mean, he obviously have, you know, it sounds like he was in a relationship with this, you know, man who identified as trans.
00:24:38.840And I don't think it's a coincidence that, you know, he chose to shoot literally at that moment when the very first trans question arose.
00:24:49.060So I think that's entirely a plausible possibility to be explored.
00:24:54.520Well, it just it seems it seems to me that there's so much involved here that, of course, we're not hearing.
00:25:04.180And then we see these, you know, these text messages, which are obviously admittedly strange.
00:25:08.560But, you know, between him and Twigs, the boyfriend, and he's, you know, taken at face value.
00:25:15.180It seems that there's some sort of, you know, loving, romantic Romeo and Juliet kind of situation going on.
00:25:22.440But it also is a level of catastrophizing where where, you know, I had to do this or else your life would have been forfeit.
00:25:30.040I mean, it's it's it seems ridiculous.
00:25:32.280But I guess the point that I'm trying to make and what you explain in your book is that when you're caught up in all of these psychoses, that it does actually seem as though you're in a catastrophe to them.
00:25:44.900Yes, although it's hard to tell sometimes which which is feeding which.
00:25:48.640So, for example, you can just have a desire to murder and then you can, you know, basically, you know, sublimate it by coming up with a socially acceptable reason to do it.
00:26:12.220But a healthy example of sublimation, for example, would be suppose that like most most surgeons are thought of as maybe sublimating what could be a pathological desire to, you know, cut people open and, you know, get into all that stuff.
00:26:26.220But they find a socially acceptable way to channel that energy through surgery.
00:26:31.320And so it's it's possible that instead of his violent eruption coming because of his belief system, he may also have adopted or enhanced his belief system as a cover to accommodate his violent tendencies.
00:26:49.080Or they can also feed each other in a circular fashion.
00:26:53.620I do think that there's a lot of very disaffected young men these days.
00:26:58.840You know, I mean, gosh, if you're a straight white male, a lot of doors are closed.
00:27:04.360All right. All right. We're up against another break. Dr. Chloe, I need to hold you over because we need to we need to get to the bottom of this.
00:27:10.020We're good, guys. We're holding her over. We're holding over. Dr. Chloe.
00:27:13.020I'm sorry, Dr. Chloe, you're not allowed to leave. The session is not yet finished.
00:27:16.000I'm not leaving the couch. Jack Posobiec, Real America's Voice, Human Events Daily.
00:27:21.380This is Jack. Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you.
00:27:30.800Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do.
00:27:34.420You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad.
00:27:38.100But we have guys and these are the guys who should be getting Pulisic.
00:27:41.580All right. Jack Posobiec, we're back here. Human Events Daily.
00:27:48.720We're on and we're finishing up our session, our therapy session here with Dr. Chloe Carmichael, because Dr. Chloe, you were talking.
00:27:56.040You were you got it. I mean, this is so amazing.
00:27:58.980You've tied together sublimation, people who have these these perhaps violent, but perhaps anger tendencies.
00:28:06.400And then you tied that. And just as we cut, you tied that to the rising portion of disaffected young men in society.
00:28:13.340This is something that I've talked about a lot. This is something that Charlie Kirk talked about a lot, that we have this huge and rising, unfortunately, pool of disaffected young men.
00:28:23.540And it's that disaffection. And this has been my argument completely. It's that disaffection, that disassociation with the real world, because they feel the real world doesn't have anything for them.
00:28:34.060So what do they do? They throw themselves into fantasy worlds. They throw themselves into these false beliefs.
00:28:40.500And in some cases it does produce psychoses, the one like the ones that you've been describing here, because they feel that reality, the real world, the sort of, quote unquote, status quo of society today.
00:28:53.920And by the way, I'm more than willing to acknowledge that there is a problem in America today for young men that that in some cases those pressures do end up squeezing them to the point where they erupt.
00:29:06.200Very few outlets for them to just, you know, be men without getting labeled as toxically masculine in some circles. Right.
00:29:16.060So I feel like many of them feel as if they kind of have to subvert that masculine energy or, you know, identify as trans or, you know, say, well, I hate the fascists or whatever, as you know, and it kind of distorts in a way their their masculine energy.
00:29:32.760And then when we throw in this thing about words or violence, I just I find it very interesting that Tyler Robinson, as well as Luigi Mangione, as well as the Dallas ice shooter and others, they're starting to literally etch words upon their bullets.
00:29:47.500Right. So, I mean, talk about the ultimate confusion of words and violence that that this is as a psychologist.
00:29:54.160I mean, it's kind of a textbook picture of acting out your violent feelings because these are the very same people who tend to think that it's somehow virtuous to shut down dialogue.
00:30:07.420This is the same group that statistically much more likely to defriend on Facebook, to disinvite a speaker or otherwise show social hostility and refuse to dialogue with people who see things differently.
00:30:19.660OK, last last last point. And I want to remind everyone, the book is, can I say that, Dr. Chloe Carmichael?
00:30:28.000Oh, we've got the graphic. Don't worry, you don't have to do the whole you don't have to do the whole Vanna White up there for us.
00:30:33.100And although, of course, we love seeing it. And it's all about free speech and the attacks on free speech today and how it produces these various psychoses and how that we should use free speech fearlessly.
00:30:45.440Obviously, he wrote this before knowing that Charlie Kirk would be killed over free speech.
00:30:50.460That's the point that I want to ask you, though. So the writings on the bullet casings, you mentioned that Tyler Robinson wrote on the bullet casings.
00:30:58.300He also wrote Bella Chao, which is the international anthem of Antifa. You mentioned the anti ice shooter down in Dallas, Texas.
00:31:05.480He wrote literally anti ice on the bullet casings. And the first one that we've seen in the string of violent shootings, violent sniper shootings was, in fact, Luigi Maggioni himself,
00:31:15.500who wrote on the bullets when he shot and killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, deny, defend and depose.
00:31:24.040What is the connection here? Because you're right. They it's not just that their words are violence, but that so the people who believe words are violence,
00:31:31.320they're writing words on the bullets, which is the act of violence itself. I feel like I'm getting there. Unpack it for me.
00:31:40.440Yeah. So it's it's interesting. It's I talk about this in my book with something called the five D's.
00:31:45.420So the same people happens to be people who identify as liberal, who will defriend on Facebook, disinvite a speaker, decline to date, drop or distance contact in real life are literally the same people,
00:32:00.880according to, say, you gov polls that will endorse or celebrate political violence.
00:32:06.240And so there is something about taking away our words, which is our most natural way to to resolve conflicts.
00:32:13.380I mean, it's literally innate. Even infant babies will respond to human voices in ways that they won't respond to any other sound.
00:32:21.820We need to communicate. We're hardwired to communicate.
00:32:25.140And so when you stop people from communicating or stop yourself from communicating, you are literally just setting the stage for violence for yourself.
00:32:33.580So I would love to get, say, with Linda McMahon or these other people that are working with young people in schools so that we can help them understand that if they want to reduce bullying and whatnot,
00:32:45.160the way to do it is not to stamp out speech. It is to promote speech. That is the answer.
00:32:53.560Couldn't agree more. And you're right. This this is all ties together.
00:32:58.340The final expression of the words are violence is the fact that they are turning their words, turning these words into actual expressions of physical violence.
00:33:08.720This is the penultimate step before actually pulling the trigger.
00:33:13.480Dr. Chloe Carmichael, incredible interview. Where can people go to follow you?
00:33:18.180Free speech today dot com. If they go to free speech today dot com, they'll get my my books and my social media handles.
00:33:23.860I love to mix it up on X, Jack, especially with you. So if they go to free speech today dot com, they can get it all.
00:33:32.020Check her out, Dr. Chloe on X and free speech today dot com.
00:33:36.920Folks, did you know that Utah and Florida recently banned fluoride in their drinking water?
00:33:43.380Why are they doing a massive U-turn on something that's been pumped into our water for 80 years?
00:33:48.280Well, the government claims fluoride is for, quote unquote, healthy teeth.
00:33:52.760But that's just nanny state nonsense. You actually don't need bureaucrats meddling in your water.
00:33:58.140You need you need the freedom to choose pure water.
00:35:15.520Good to be here. And it was great to see you on, I guess that was Sunday, up with Jack Cattarelli up there in Bergen County.
00:35:22.380And Paula, tell everybody how many people were there. I'm not making this up.
00:35:26.640There are a few thousand or at least a thousand, right?
00:35:29.240I mean, I'm really actually bad at estimating group numbers of people, so maybe I'm not the best person to ask.
00:35:35.280But it was a great event. There were at least a thousand people there.
00:35:39.160You spoke and did a wonderful job, and many people were excited to see POSO speak himself, and he made the trip, and so we're grateful for that.
00:35:46.440But what I will say is the energy in New Jersey is high.
00:35:49.780Bergen County is one of those must-win counties that will determine the course of the election for Jack and just Jack Cattarelli in two weeks.
00:35:57.920And so I'm excited to see it. I think the energy is high.
00:36:00.760I don't think people are very excited about the other candidate, who is just Vanilla Harris.
00:36:05.900That really is who she is, and that's what we've seen.
00:36:09.140But New Jersey is ready, and we're working hard.
00:36:11.440And again, there are so many people that have come out and supported this race, and so we're two weeks to go, and we're excited to win this thing.
00:36:19.840So you mentioned Vanilla Harris. Oh, my gosh.
00:36:23.900She has now, Mikey Sherrill has now announced that she's bringing, airdropping Barack Obama into New Jersey.
00:36:31.600And I'm so confused why she would do that, because didn't Joe Biden get 500,000 more votes in New Jersey than Barack Obama is?
00:36:40.580Why is she getting yesterday's news like Barack Obama and not bringing in the far more popular president, Joe Biden?
00:36:50.680And I had just tweeted about this, actually, earlier before coming on.
00:36:54.000Obama has not been on the ballot in almost 15 years.
00:36:56.900Why is this the best person that you have to help campaign and represent the Democrat Party and make the push for Democrats?
00:37:03.880I think, if anything, Obama is unpopular in the state of New Jersey.
00:37:08.120I think many people in New Jersey probably voted for Obama and then realized the mistake that they've made, because this state has only gotten further and further right every election since Obama was on the ballot, I'm pretty sure.
00:37:18.700This past election, I mean, it was so close.
00:38:01.120And by the way, go download the Turning Point Action app because the Turning Point Action app can let you work in New Jersey or wherever you like.
00:38:07.760Virginia, Arizona, from the comfort of your own home.
00:46:25.500I think he is in this race because he has his ego that he needs to feed.
00:46:29.720I mean, it's exactly why he went from an ashamed governor to trying to become the mayor of the largest city in this entire country.
00:46:35.400I mean, this is just someone who does not come across as for the people.
00:46:40.360I watched that debate live, and as much as I wanted to sit there and say I think Mom Dami is horrible, I agree with you, what you said earlier.
00:46:46.800He is a great speaker, and Mom Dami did a wonderful job trying to be for the people and being convincing and being charismatic and being a great actor on that stage.
00:46:55.420And Cuomo, in my opinion, I thought looked the worst in this debate.
00:46:58.380I mean, of course, Curtis stuck to his stuff, and I've always loved Curtis for the longest time.
00:47:03.660Every time he's on any interview or on the news or even speaking somewhere, I make an effort to watch it because I just think Curtis is one of those really fascinating people that I love.
00:47:14.360And I wish there was a better path to victory, and there isn't someone like Cuomo that's taking away his votes.
00:47:19.460But unfortunately, this is a situation that we're in.
00:47:21.760And I think the other thing we have to look at is it's too late now.
00:47:24.840Why couldn't they have had these conversations earlier?
00:47:27.060Why couldn't Cuomo have stopped running his ego and just gotten out of the way and realized, again, he stepped down shamefully from being governor of New York?
00:47:35.080How do you expect to go back and become the mayor now?
00:47:38.320It's just an ego drive, and that's exactly what he's doing.