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00:01:09.140 According to court filings and law enforcement sources, a man attempted to impersonate an FBI agent last night in order to release Luigi Mangione.

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00:02:02.260 Speaking to an organization there that's gearing up for resistance and protest,

00:02:06.680 I've been surprised, pleasantly surprised to see the community coming together.

00:02:12.380 Diverse community.

00:02:13.140 If you see this, when we first pulled up, we were like, wait a minute, which operation

00:02:18.080 are we at?

00:02:19.380 And as it turns out, because we were like, well, this is kind of MAGA-coded, right?

00:02:23.400 So the American flag or whatever, but these are resistance protesters, they're planning

00:02:27.080 an operation that we're going to follow them on.

00:02:29.120 I can't tell you exactly what they're doing, but it's called Operation Pull-Up.

00:02:41.320 You heard what some of the folks said in there, you know, that this is they shouldn't be there and, you know, they shouldn't be uncomfortable.

00:02:50.920 And this is our house and whatever. That's what protesting is about, is to make people uncomfortable.

00:02:55.200 Don Lemon has been arrested in connection with an anti-ice protest at a church in St. Paul, Minnesota.

00:03:02.400 All right, Jack Soker back live here. Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.

00:03:08.700 today is january 30th 2026 anno domini church invasions will be prosecuted christian churches

00:03:19.240 will be made sacrosanct in the united states of america christ is king don lemon arrested for his

00:03:29.840 actions invading disrupting agitating and harassing children christian young children

00:03:40.300 and their families while attending church services this is going on for far too long

00:03:48.140 there have been too many church attacks going on there too and don't let him sit there and tell you

00:03:53.480 for a second that, oh, he wasn't agitated. He ran up to the pastor and stuck a microphone in his

00:04:00.260 face in the middle of the protest, excuse me, which was not a protest, in the middle of the

00:04:04.120 invasion. He did that, disrupted. He then worked with the team that was going to do this, and

00:04:11.060 there are indications that he may have even helped to organize it. He was certainly supporting it

00:04:16.300 when it was going on. He said, this is the point of protest, remember, to make people feel

00:04:22.180 uncomfortable. He said it as children. We're being, we're walking out in tears after they

00:04:28.620 had just gone to church with their families on a Sunday. Now, I'm going to tell you something

00:04:34.780 right now. If anyone ever tried to do that in my church, anyone ever tried to come up on me

00:04:41.040 and my family while we were in mass and did something like this, just saying, I think you

00:04:48.000 might get a little bit of a different response. And I'll just leave it at that. What he did was

00:04:53.520 illegal. What he did was unconscionable. And it's very clear here. It's very clear. We know

00:05:00.620 the Bolsheviks always target churches. We know they always target Christians. This is what they 0.99

00:05:08.960 do. We've known this for years. We explained it to you that they always go after churches,

00:05:15.700 whether it's in russia whether it's in spain whether it's in china and yes there are churches

00:05:21.080 underground churches in china to this day that are persecuted whether it was the french revolution

00:05:26.060 where they smashed and defiled and desecrated the cathedral of the notre dame itself

00:05:31.240 no no what kind of america do you want to live in do you want to live in america where these

00:05:39.480 agitators, where these disruptors are going in and invading and raiding churches, going after

00:05:47.320 pastors, going after churchgoers, going after Christian children. It's really simple. Are you

00:05:52.640 going to defend your children or not? Wake up, Christians. This is what you have to do. This is 1.00

00:06:02.700 how you have to respond. You must come down swiftly. You must come down harshly on all of

00:06:07.600 this and it's very clear we will protect that which is sacred there are rights in this country

00:06:16.940 there is a first amendment right to exercise your religion freely they were deprived of that right

00:06:22.940 there is also a law called the face act and under the face act number one you're not supposed to

00:06:30.540 block people from going into abortion clinics we saw the biden administration use this on pro-life

00:06:35.900 people just for praying, which obviously doesn't break the law, but they did, then that same law

00:06:43.700 covers you're not allowed to disrupt people from going to church. And see, this, by the way,

00:06:48.340 covers the conservatives and the liberals, because for conservatives, our religious service is going

00:06:54.620 to church. And for liberals, their religious service is going to an abortion clinic. So you

00:07:01.520 see, it's the holy places of each side. Conservatives have our churches and the liberals

00:07:07.000 have abortion clinics. That's what the FACE Act protects. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be right 1.00

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00:09:03.820 And so, folks, so much news going on.

00:09:06.980 The Don Lemon case, we also saw millions of new documents coming out on Jeffrey Epstein, thousands of new videos.

00:09:14.880 This is something people have been pushing for for a long time that I've certainly been pushing for.

00:09:18.920 We've got that out.

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00:09:21.100 But I wanted to bring on on on this this church invasion situation, my good friend, Michael Knowles, host of The Michael Knowles Show.

00:09:29.680 What's up, man? 1.00

00:09:30.780 You know, it's just a great day, Jack.

00:09:33.760 Great to be with you.

00:09:35.420 And when the news broke this morning, I lit up a Mayflower cigar right on my set.

00:09:40.020 I I was not look, I've long been a plan truster.

00:09:43.660 I've long said the administration gets things ninety nine point seven percent right.

00:09:47.920 I even I did not think that they were actually going to go and arrest Don Lemon which was the

00:09:55.060 right thing to do but it took a lot of courage they're going to get a lot of flack for this

00:09:58.840 I think it's crucial though it's important this guy committed crimes he did so on camera he admitted

00:10:04.320 to doing so on camera and it was a game of chicken he was it was basically Nicolas Maduro he was

00:10:09.220 saying come arrest me come arrest me he thought that the administration was too chicken our

00:10:14.000 president, it appears once again is not. There's something that's actually amazing because so last

00:10:21.820 night, what was president Trump doing while all of this was going down? He was at the theater with

00:10:27.620 his wife. We've cut the clip where we could just, you guys just play without the audio, but he's,

00:10:32.160 he's there at the Kennedy center watching the premiere of the Melania documentary that just

00:10:38.300 dropped. He's out there in the box seats, you know, in his presidential box with Melania,

00:10:45.100 the first family that's there. And he's watching the documentary all while knowing that Don Lemon

00:10:52.200 is being summarily arrested by federal agents in Los Angeles. By the way, also sitting a little

00:10:59.920 bit behind where the president was, myself and Tanya Tay also got to enjoy the film with our

00:11:06.280 complimentary Melania popcorn buckets. The popcorn was amazing. And the movie was even better. So

00:11:13.540 as we were telling that, I was like, wow, I had a great night at the theater last night.

00:11:18.060 How about you, Don Lemon? How did your night go? It's truly amazing. It's literally like a scene

00:11:24.400 out of The Godfather. It's so beautiful. Yeah, I'm glad that President Trump's night could be

00:11:29.520 enjoyable on two fronts. Really important, though, because, you know, Don Lemon's excuse

00:11:35.560 from the beginning, when it was clear that he was committing crimes on camera,

00:11:39.480 his excuse was, well, no, no, I've just committed an act of journalism.

00:11:44.220 Now, if we allow that principle to stand, what it means is that journalists have blanket

00:11:49.960 immunity to commit any crime they want. But as far as I know, that's not how our legal system

00:11:54.700 works. I'm not allowed to walk up to somebody, murder him, shoot him in the face, and then 0.54

00:11:59.880 film it and say, no, no, you can't prosecute me. I'm a journalist. I'm not allowed to go 0.86

00:12:03.640 burgle somebody's house. And then when I get arrested, I say, no, no, no, you don't understand.

00:12:07.320 I was going to write an article about it later. I'm a journalist. So I'm going to walk out with

00:12:10.760 this TV now. That's not how it works. Don Lemon committed a crime. He said on camera,

00:12:16.180 I have a secret. I know what we're about to do. You don't know it yet. He was out there pouring

00:12:20.960 coffee, giving donuts to the agitators. He was obviously not just a passive reporter. He was

00:12:26.280 an active participant in this. He bragged about it. Well, okay, buddy, if you want to put yourself

00:12:31.540 out there and be the hero of the radical left and be an active participant, then you're going

00:12:37.060 to be held to account for the crimes that you actively participated in. Why is it so important

00:12:44.200 that the Trump administration is going after people that disrupted a Christian church? And

00:12:53.500 this is something that I really want to emphasize because I think a lot of people say, oh, it's just

00:12:58.200 Don Lemon. It's just no, no, no, no. It's about what Don Lemon and his band of Bolsheviks did

00:13:03.920 to a group of Christian families and Christian. Remember, they were blocking the aisles. There 0.96

00:13:09.880 were a bunch of kids apparently up in Sunday school and they blocked the entrance to where

00:13:14.420 the Sunday school classroom was. So the kids couldn't even get out. The parents couldn't get

00:13:18.540 to their own children while this was going on. That's why the kids were freaked in that one video

00:13:23.000 where you see them all filing out. So why is it so important, Knowles, that President Trump and

00:13:29.440 the administration are really coming down hard on the invasion and raiding of a Christian church?

00:13:35.360 Because there are two tiers of justice in America, and there have been for a very long time. And this

00:13:40.040 is actually the perfect example of it, because Lemon and the mob appear to have violated multiple

00:13:45.700 laws. But one of the laws they violated is the FACE Act, which you've mentioned, which really

00:13:50.640 just exists to protect abortion clinics from prayers. That's what it's for. It's to stop 0.74

00:13:55.200 grannies from praying and demonstrating at abortion clinics. And the only way that the 1.00

00:13:59.720 libs were able to get that passed is to throw out this little olive branch and say, OK, well,

00:14:04.280 we'll also protect churches from disruptive demonstrations as well. But the FACE Act is

00:14:09.960 never really used to stop people from attacking churches. It's really only ever used to protect

00:14:15.160 abortion mills and infanticide. So you had under Biden, pro-life grannies who were locked up for 0.96

00:14:21.120 months or years for praying and demonstrating in abortion clinics. And here what Trump is doing 0.94

00:14:26.300 is saying, okay, well, look, we have this law. I hate the FACE Act. I think it's a horrible law.

00:14:30.820 There are plenty of ways to protect the churches without this pro-abortion law. But okay, if we 0.70

00:14:34.880 have the FACE Act on the books, well, then we're going to prosecute you under it because you are

00:14:39.340 very clearly violating it. If Don Lemon gets off the hook for this, I think it's totally clear

00:14:44.860 that the FACE Act is really just about protecting abortionists. And if Don Lemon gets away with it

00:14:49.460 as well, it shows that the left just has a blanket immunity to do whatever they want here.

00:14:55.000 You mentioned earlier the Bolsheviks or the communists during the Spanish Revolution. I mean,

00:15:00.220 this is a theme. The left always starts by attacking churches. That's been true going

00:15:05.560 back to the French Revolution when the term the left came into existence. That's true. And so if

00:15:11.620 you want to prevent these radical revolutionary kind of movements that always end in massive

00:15:16.820 violence, you've got to stop them where they begin. And they always seem to begin with a mob

00:15:22.020 gathered outside a church. I think there's a reason for that, too. I think that it's these

00:15:29.140 things, these ideas, these are not just different ideologies. They're not just differences of

00:15:34.600 opinion, these actually are theological tenets of a religion. And so, you know, you want to say

00:15:41.980 that we're wrong. I guarantee you that if the left were to try to put the face act up for,

00:15:46.800 oh, I don't know, going to a drag queen story hour or going to some pride parade, they would

00:15:51.460 absolutely do so in a heartbeat because they view going to worshiping the left, 0.58

00:15:58.720 worshiping LGBT movement as an act of a religious piety. You see this also with the way that 0.51

00:16:05.200 they've been treating the migrants. They go and they act like this is some sort of religion for

00:16:09.760 them where they get to play out the, you know, this like pop notion of what Selma actually was.

00:16:15.820 You know, this is our moment. Finally, the left lives for these things. This is their religion.

00:16:20.520 However, it's that religion that has taken over the secular spaces because God and Christianity 0.95

00:16:25.520 were pushed out in the first place. That's why they know that sort of like the final boss of 0.98

00:16:32.360 the right is, of course, Christianity, because it's the final boss of order. It's the final boss 0.99

00:16:37.200 of morality. It's the final boss of civilization is that Christian core. That's why they always 1.00

00:16:43.280 try to stamp it out. So this is the first time I think we've seen in a very long time where the

00:16:48.120 federal government is actually proactively taking action on behalf of a Christian, a Christian

00:16:55.160 group, and I don't think that we should overlook that. Certainly not. I thought your comparison

00:16:59.960 was great, by the way, that the abortion clinic is the left's church, and the philosopher Peter

00:17:05.380 Grace makes this point. The center point of the Mass is the consecration, the Holy Communion,

00:17:10.360 the Eucharist, and the priest says, quoting our Lord, this is my body, which will be given up for

00:17:15.500 you. And there's this kind of satanic inversion that takes place in the abortion clinic, which

00:17:20.400 is also justified on those very words. This is my body, my body, my choice, albeit to these

00:17:26.000 horrifically selfish, violent, immoral ends. So yes, those are the two things that are protected.

00:17:33.180 What does it come down to? It comes down to the left hating God. So it's sad, sad for them,

00:17:39.420 sad for society, but that's why they're never going to stop. And the only way that you're going

00:17:44.220 to help rectify the situation is if you protect the good guys, if you protect the people who are

00:17:49.840 the victims in this case. And there's no way to do that in this particular incident without

00:17:54.820 arresting Don Lemon. If he gets away with it, you're going to get a lot more Don Lemons,

00:17:59.740 not just his shenanigans, but you're going to get a lot more people who are attacking churches.

00:18:04.340 You got to stop it at its source or it's going to spread.

00:18:07.940 It sends a message that that which is sacred actually is sacred and that it is actually

00:18:14.820 protected under our federal law, that the First Amendment is not just when it covers

00:18:19.040 religious expression and religious exercise is not just a suggestion. It's not just a guideline.

00:18:25.780 It is actually a binding law that the federal government will follow. Because when it comes

00:18:31.780 to these notions of power, when it comes to these questions of, you know, who actually is in charge,

00:18:36.340 who is governing, it's not just what we have written down on pieces of paper. It's what the

00:18:40.940 government actually does. And certainly we learned this with the border, right? It doesn't matter

00:18:45.140 what your laws are if the government doesn't enforce them. That's the entire key. And so

00:18:50.480 to see this shift night and day from the former FBI going after traditional Catholics to now

00:18:59.020 seeing federal agents arrest people for invading a church, it's amazing to see. It's incredible to 0.55

00:19:05.660 see. I have whiplash from seeing it in just a couple of years' time, but it shows how far

00:19:09.980 they've gone and how far

00:19:12.040 we need to go to be able to

00:19:14.100 write the show. We'll be right back, Human Events Daily.

00:19:15.940 More with Michael Knowles here

00:19:17.900 on RealNarca's Voice.

00:19:23.060 Talk about

00:19:23.860 influencers. These are influencers

00:19:25.620 and they're friends of mine.

00:19:28.920 Jack

00:19:29.300 Resolick. Where's Jack?

00:19:32.360 He's done a great job.

00:19:36.180 All right, Jack Resolick, we're back live

00:19:38.040 here at Human Events Daily. We've got Michael

00:19:39.960 Knowles on. Knowles, there was something that you said in the previous segment that got me to

00:19:44.920 thinking. So Don Lemon is claiming that his actions are covered under the First Amendment.

00:19:49.900 And that got me to thinking about something else that happened in Minneapolis very recently,

00:19:52.800 and that was the case of Alex Preddy. And in the case of Alex Preddy, I saw so many people saying,

00:19:59.620 well, wait a minute. Hold on. He had a concealed carry permit. He's allowed to have a gun there.

00:20:04.580 that's the second amendment how dare you come down on this guy how dare you say that this guy

00:20:10.140 did anything wrong because he's just holding up his second amendment rights and i had like all

00:20:15.140 the libertarians were you know yelling at me and and actually going after uh your colleague matt 0.98

00:20:20.060 walsh as well saying you know oh i can't believe you're just so big and walsh are such hypocrites 0.79

00:20:25.220 on this and i'm like i think you guys have a fundamental misunderstanding just because you 0.56

00:20:30.140 of the right to do something doesn't mean that you're like immune from all of the other laws

00:20:35.500 yeah there's this thing called prudence which aristotle called not only a virtue but the

00:20:42.260 paramount political virtue and so it's true if you have a ccw you know that that's great you can

00:20:47.660 carry your weapon i think it's telling that eric's pretty's parents said that he had the permit never

00:20:52.540 carried the weapon only started carrying it when he was going downtown to mess around with the law

00:20:57.620 enforcement. But here's what prudence would dictate. If you are going to carry your weapon, 0.99

00:21:03.260 don't commit crimes, obstruct law enforcement, and put yourself in a situation where you're

00:21:10.300 more likely to be killed. That was really the issue here. It brings us back to the wisdom of

00:21:15.180 Johnny Cash, who, it's not in the Constitution, but it's worthwhile nonetheless, said, don't take

00:21:20.840 your guns to town, Bill. Leave your guns at home, son. Don't take your guns to town. Now, you can

00:21:25.840 take your guns to town that's okay but just like you wouldn't uh put your uh concealed carry gun

00:21:31.400 in your pocket and go get belligerently blackout drunk at the dive bar downtown it's probably not

00:21:36.840 the best idea so too it's an even worse idea to take your your concealed carry weapon and then go

00:21:42.460 pick fights with law enforcement and threaten them after your colleagues have been trying to

00:21:47.940 kill them for weeks that's not very likely not going to end well yeah and and it's it's just

00:21:54.040 very clear from a rights perspective too, that again, the first, the second amendment, 0.98

00:21:58.480 the first amendment, they just don't, they don't give you license to go out and do whatever you

00:22:02.500 want. Right. I have a, I have a driver's license. That doesn't mean that I can run over people on

00:22:07.320 the sidewalk. That doesn't mean I can run over federal agents. And believe me, by the way,

00:22:11.920 there are times where I see some people on the sidewalk and I'm like, you know,

00:22:15.320 how many points, but, but, but we know you don't do it. It doesn't give you license to do any of

00:22:21.520 these things. Right. There are still laws on the books for a reason. Criminals use guns all the

00:22:27.400 time, by the way. And so to to make that a Second Amendment issue is just silly. You know, when I 0.93

00:22:32.340 look at Freddie, though, you mentioned about his parents and you mentioned about that. There's we

00:22:36.340 talked yesterday about the fact that he had actually been recently divorced, you know,

00:22:40.600 divorced, I think, two years prior. You know, he had been someone who was initially radicalized

00:22:45.800 during the George Floyd riots, which happened right, you know, basically in the same neighborhood

00:22:50.280 is this. And what we see, what what I'm just going to say is it seems like this was a downward

00:22:56.020 spiral of radicalization, the same type that you see with so many other of these individuals,

00:23:02.380 Luigi Maggioni, who, by the way, just got the death penalty taken off by this Biden judge in

00:23:07.160 New York. He was someone who had basically dropped out of work. You saw Thomas Matthew Crooks,

00:23:13.200 Tyler Robinson were both college dropouts. So you see these downward spirals of radicalization

00:23:18.320 as people get seeped more and more into this radical culture.

00:23:22.520 And it pushes them to commit more and more extreme acts.

00:23:26.440 And I wonder, you know, looking at this and, you know, maybe just a little bit of armchair

00:23:32.000 psychology here, but someone asked me after the show yesterday, do you think that he was

00:23:37.020 perhaps on some level seeking suicide by cop or suicide by ICE?

00:23:41.700 And I don't know if he had consciously decided that, but at least my opinion is he wanted

00:23:47.960 to die for his cause. I think that that was certainly something that he was thinking of.

00:23:51.860 What say you? I had exactly the same thought. There was a woman

00:23:56.100 who was just going viral. She had a septum piercing, which is the tell. 0.94

00:23:59.960 That never works out well. You know you're dealing with some bad stuff when

00:24:03.840 the girls have the septum piercing. And she said, look, I don't have 0.96

00:24:07.880 anything to lose. I'm going to go out there and get exactly what I want. I don't care. I don't even

00:24:11.960 really want to be here anymore. And the video went viral. I think

00:24:16.060 there was a lot of honesty to that which is these people who don't believe in anything greater they

00:24:22.440 think at best that we're all just sort of meat puppets walking around the world it's a tale told 1.00

00:24:27.140 by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing if there is any meaning to the world 1.00

00:24:31.680 it's entirely self-created you know these are people who are in the thrall to very dark forces 1.00

00:24:37.200 and who are in cycles of despair and they're quite dangerous so do these people consciously

00:24:43.960 seek out suicide by cop? Not quite. Did they exhibit many signs of despair? Yes, they obviously

00:24:52.220 did. And if they did have a couple of brain cells rubbing together, if their reason was working at

00:24:57.480 all, then it would have told them that if you start picking fights with cops, especially when

00:25:01.560 you're carrying a weapon, or if you drive an SUV into a cop, you are asking that officer to kill

00:25:06.540 you and they got what they wanted. Right. And you see this over, Eric Hoffer has the great book 0.50

00:25:12.640 about this called true believers, where he says that it's, it's those people who, you know, feel

00:25:17.200 like they have nothing to lose, that they throw themselves into these movements. And then they

00:25:21.660 try to prove their loyalty. They try to prove their worth. They try to prove how invested they

00:25:27.700 are by going and committing more and more heinous acts. And, you know, for people want to say, Oh,

00:25:33.420 you know, you know, you don't know this guy, you know what they, well, it's a pattern,

00:25:36.280 you know, it's a pattern. And that's exactly how the FBI puts together profiles. They look at

00:25:40.920 patterns. They look at data points and they say, gee, isn't that interesting that all of these

00:25:45.280 data points line up? We're just about out of time. By the way, I got to, I got to throw at you. So

00:25:50.380 are you doing, are you doing tree stays up till Candlemas? Is that what you're doing right now?

00:25:54.360 Absolutely. Jack, would you expect anything less? It's Christmas. I would not. I absolutely would

00:25:59.060 not. Explain to people what Candlemas is and why your tree is still up. So a lot of people think

00:26:04.400 Christmas is just one day, the 25th. Some say it's eight days, the octave of Christmas. Some

00:26:10.120 will go further to the Feast of the Epiphany. But if you're a really hardcore decoration-maxing

00:26:16.080 trad, you go all the way up until Candlemas, another liturgical feast. That's when it comes

00:26:22.400 down. And then finally, we can look ahead toward the liturgical season of Lent and then Easter.

00:26:28.940 But a lot of people, they want to put the decorations up in October or something like that.

00:26:33.040 No, no, no. Our religion says first the fast and then the feast. Modern religion says first the

00:26:38.620 feast and then the hangover. We are still enjoying Christmas over here, Jack, as I'm certain that you

00:26:43.900 are as well. We absolutely are. And Candlemas is the feast of the presentation. And for people

00:26:50.780 who get on the rosary, right, we're going through the different mysteries of the rosary. So you have

00:26:56.800 your nativity, then you have the presentation. It all flows together. It's very simple. Michael

00:27:02.820 Knowles, where can people follow you? They can follow me at Michael J. Knowles on all of social

00:27:07.480 media and i don't know you could find me yelling on a street corner i might be physically near you

00:27:11.880 as well and perhaps puffing on a mayflower cigar that's right take care of me i'll talk to you stay

00:27:19.000 uh stay warm where's jack where is he jack i want to see you

00:27:29.080 great job jack thank you what a job you do you know we have an incredible thing we're always

00:27:36.540 talking about the fake news and the bad but we have guys and these are the guys who should be

00:27:41.260 getting policies all right jack so we're back live here human events daily folks every day

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00:28:50.940 So I wanted to bring on now my next guest, my good friend Megan Basham from The Daily Wire,

00:28:57.940 because I have some questions for her about Don Lemon.

00:29:00.540 Megan, how are you? I'm good, Jack. How are you doing? So here is my question, right? So Don

00:29:06.220 Lemon, he invades this church, and this is going to piggyback on your book and everything that

00:29:11.800 you've been talking about regarding churches in America, that he gets arrested, or last night,

00:29:18.160 I should say, yet here's something that's really interesting. What's the dog that's not barking

00:29:22.420 in all of this? Where are all the other churches calling out Don Lemon for what he did? Where are

00:29:30.240 all the church leaders, and I would say that certainly on my side for the Catholics, for the

00:29:35.360 bishops, for the cardinals, the pope, where are all of our hierarchy coming out and condemning him

00:29:42.720 for what he did? And at the same time, you don't see that as well with a lot of the mainline

00:29:47.920 churches, evangelicals. Where are all the church leaders? I don't get it. Yeah, that's such a good

00:29:53.060 question. You know, we did hear some statements like immediately after the event. So, you know,

00:29:58.600 a few Southern Baptist leaders. This was the Southern Baptist church, which is the largest

00:30:03.100 Protestant denomination in the U S they made a few, um, fairly tepid comments. I did appreciate

00:30:08.500 them, but then they disappeared and you haven't heard anything more from them. And I'm really

00:30:12.300 proud of this church. Yeah. It wasn't like, it wasn't like the, the condemnations that you're

00:30:18.280 hearing, you know, and on the Catholic side, we've got all these bishops who are like losing their

00:30:22.780 minds about ICE and deportations. How can you do this? They're terrible. Our neighbors,

00:30:27.560 because they're just totally used to getting all the federal money that comes alongside 0.89

00:30:33.780 these programs. And yet you don't hear this outright condemnation. You hear more condemnations

00:30:40.600 of Trump than you do of Don Lemon, who actually attacked a church.

00:30:46.420 Right. And one of the things they're not talking about is they're trying to pretend,

00:30:49.540 even some of these religious leaders are trying to pretend that this is somehow a violation of

00:30:54.780 free speech or it's an attack on the press. And that is not the case at all. What people are

00:30:58.700 forgetting is that these charges went through a grand jury. So some citizens in Minneapolis took

00:31:05.580 a look at this and went, no, that is unacceptable. So are some citizens in St. Paul, we need to

00:31:10.560 respond to this. So it's very clear that what Don Lemon did was egregious. And we're going to see

00:31:16.540 if a jury determines that it was also illegal. I think it was. But the biggest thing to me is,

00:31:22.560 you know, why are they not saying anything when they're speaking out about these very messy,

00:31:27.900 not very clear what happened issues with ICE when it's very clear what happened with these people

00:31:33.100 storming into a church and what their intentions were. And it's simply, it's worldliness, Jack.

00:31:38.220 It's wanting to be fashionable because the people who are speaking out against ICE are, you know,

00:31:44.960 the powerful. They are the cultural dominators. They're Hollywood. They're big influencers on

00:31:51.560 Instagram. I've spent the whole week looking at female Christian influencers. And that's what's

00:31:56.960 important to know is that part of the reason I think that a lot of these church leaders who are 0.99

00:32:01.280 typically men are not speaking out is because you have all of these female quote unquote Bible 0.53

00:32:06.460 teachers, theologians, apologists, or even just, you know, they're creating content like fashion 0.69

00:32:12.320 and home design, suddenly they're all branded as Christian and they're coming out and only

00:32:17.140 speaking out against ICE because they are influenced by these fashionable trends.

00:32:21.360 And so then you have these typically men in leadership who are looking at that and rather

00:32:25.780 than leading, they're putting their finger in the wind and saying, how do I follow this

00:32:30.840 narrative and this trend that is developing?

00:32:33.000 So rather than pushing back against the false narratives that are coming from so many of

00:32:38.160 these female Christian influencers, they're capitulating to it.

00:32:41.760 So what they should be doing is rebuking it and addressing it and saying, hey, we are the authority that God has given the church.

00:32:48.460 And so we need to address these false narratives that you women with a lot of followers are out there promoting, but they're not doing that.

00:32:55.160 Instead, they're kowtowing to it.

00:32:57.400 Well, there's so much you put there.

00:33:00.760 And I'll just to add to what you said about, you know, some church leaders saying, oh, it's a freedom of speech issue.

00:33:09.320 Well, if you're not going to defend your church, if you're not going to defend your place of worship, do you even believe in the things that you say?

00:33:19.760 Because if you actually believe that God is present, that you are conducting a sacred right, that you are there praying to the one true creator of the universe gathered together to worship him and to worship Christ, then no violation of that can ever be allowed for any purpose whatsoever.

00:33:40.660 You know, other than, my gosh, you know, like there's a fire, you know, or like some, you know, a medical emergency or something.

00:33:47.180 No, no deliberate violation of that could ever take place.

00:33:51.120 And so my question, I guess, would be back to them is to say, like, well, do you guys actually believe this stuff or not?

00:33:56.620 And I would even go so further as to say, because I love getting into this with people and people get mad when I hit them with this stuff.

00:34:03.500 But I would point out freedom of speech is not a biblical virtue.

00:34:07.720 It's not a biblical principle.

00:34:08.700 It's a legal principle.

00:34:10.240 Right.

00:34:10.320 So it's a legal principle that we have in the United States because of the Constitution.

00:34:13.460 It's not something that you find in the Bible.

00:34:15.120 What you find in the Bible is God and Christ saying that we should worship God.

00:34:18.360 That's what the Bible says.

00:34:19.600 And so it's just not there.

00:34:21.480 It's not something that's there at all.

00:34:22.980 But, of course, people don't like when I say stuff like that.

00:34:25.280 I want to get your sense, though, about these influencers.

00:34:30.080 So we're seeing Christian influencers.

00:34:32.500 And you're absolutely right, though. 0.59

00:34:33.780 So this is a button that I've seen being pressed all over the place to say, hey, it is un-Christian to support ICE.

00:34:41.980 It's un-Christian to—they're hitting what did Bruce Springsteen is that Bruce Springsteen is up with—they're strangers in our land.

00:34:51.360 And Barack Obama says, help your neighbor, which, of course, includes helping pit bulls for some reason.

00:34:56.620 And they're using this word over and over and over, neighbor, neighbor, neighbor, because what are they hitting?

00:35:02.580 They're trying to hit the Good Samaritan story.

00:35:05.720 They're trying to hit stories about love your neighbor.

00:35:08.360 They're trying to hit this over and over and over.

00:35:11.240 Why, Megan, is it that you think you're seeing this riled up so much on the left?

00:35:18.160 Yeah, I mean, a big part of it is the famous meme, right?

00:35:21.200 They don't have much understanding of Christianity, but they want to tell us how to apply a proof

00:35:25.660 texted verse that they just pulled out of context entirely.

00:35:28.840 So when Christ is giving that command, he is giving it to individuals.

00:35:32.580 to love the person right in front of you. And he says, begin with the house of the Lord. So we are,

00:35:38.100 of course, to have those ordered loves and it is to begin with our immediate family. And then with

00:35:42.460 those of the house of God, our Christian neighbors. So, you know, they, they want to pull these things 1.00

00:35:46.940 out of context and try to build some sort of political position around it. I don't think

00:35:52.100 that works. And the good news is what I have seen is a little bit of pushback. So, you know,

00:35:58.480 when we talk about the influencers, what you're seeing over there on Instagram is very reminiscent 0.98

00:36:02.500 of 2020 and the black squares, where you had a bunch of hive mind lemmings posting these black 0.53

00:36:08.840 squares saying, I'm listening, or, you know, I'm an ally or those kinds of things. I think back in 0.87

00:36:15.440 2020, a lot of us who enjoy fashion and design kind of sat back and accepted it. This time,

00:36:20.780 that's not happening as much. You're seeing a much, much bigger push. And I think part of the

00:36:25.040 reason is because of what we saw at that church in St. Paul, because so many of us ordinary

00:36:30.860 Christian women out here have kind of wised up to how our compassion and our empathy has been

00:36:36.420 manipulated and how we, uh, our feelings are being extorted. And so now you have women going, 0.98

00:36:42.680 hold it up. No, I come to you for lipstick recommendations, not for you to tell me to 0.96

00:36:48.140 become an agitator to obstruct ice operations on the ground. So I think that's part of it.

00:36:53.020 And then I think the other reason that you have so many ordinary Christians pushing back so that

00:36:57.080 you and I are right now talking about, hey, what's wrong with these leaders is because they're

00:37:01.920 starting to realize that there is nothing you can do as a church or as a ministry short of

00:37:08.700 shrouding yourselves, draping your buildings in those rainbow flags and those BLM statements

00:37:14.400 that are going to keep those agitators out of your face. So when you look at City's Church in

00:37:19.020 St. Paul, that was not a political church. That was not a church whose pastor speaks at TPUSA

00:37:24.900 events. It was not a church whose pastor writes political op-eds or is fiery or engages in culture

00:37:30.600 war. And yet they still attacked that church simply for the fact that one of their pastors

00:37:36.360 on staff also plays a role within ISIS administration. So that is how extreme they

00:37:41.800 have been. And so I think that's part of the reason that you see the rank and file pushing back,

00:37:45.520 but you're absolutely right that right now, I would say that leadership is still being led more

00:37:51.620 by um your famous bible study lady bible study teachers over there on instagram i want to dig

00:37:57.240 more into this push back after the break because megan this is a key issue that is at it's a

00:38:04.180 network that's being activated it's absolutely a network that's being activated and you in your

00:38:08.160 recent book unpacked and exposed this entire network we'll be right back jack sobek megan

00:38:13.160 Basham, Human Events Daily.

00:38:19.240 Jack is a great guy.

00:38:20.780 He's written a fantastic book.

00:38:22.480 Everybody's talking about it.

00:38:23.660 Go get it.

00:38:24.780 And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.

00:38:28.740 And we're going to turn it around and make our country great to get to you.

00:38:31.980 Amen.

00:38:36.240 All right, Jack, we're back here.

00:38:37.980 Live Human Events Daily.

00:38:39.620 You know, in the last segment, I was just I was just making the provocative comment that the freedom of speech is not a biblical principle.

00:38:46.980 It is a legal principle.

00:38:48.380 This is clear, by the way.

00:38:50.260 Ten Commandments includes a speech restriction.

00:38:53.640 I shall not take the Lord's name in vain.

00:38:55.700 So that's something that's not freedom of speech.

00:38:58.480 And in fact, Christian societies have had blasphemy laws on the books for centuries. 0.58

00:39:02.700 One of those societies included, by the way, the United States of America, right up from our founding all the way through the progressive era.

00:39:12.100 In fact, one of the last debates I ever had with Charlie Kirk was specifically about this on thought crime.

00:39:19.760 And we were talking about how states used to have blasphemy laws on the books.

00:39:24.200 And me and Blake Neff were getting into it.

00:39:26.660 And Charlie was sort of poking each side.

00:39:28.920 And you could see he was he was interested in this.

00:39:30.620 This, of course, comes up in the context of President Trump saying that he wants to ban flag burning.

00:39:36.520 And so we pointed out sacred symbols, sacred words, these things used to actually be protected by law.

00:39:42.340 Megan Basham, I want to bring you back in here.

00:39:44.400 And I guess the argument that I'm, you know, that I was making at the time and I would continue to make,

00:39:49.040 and I certainly am now going to advance in the wake of Don Lemon's arrest,

00:39:53.340 is that as a society, if we deem things to be protected, if we deem things to be important,

00:40:02.140 Christian symbols, Christian services, Christian churches, Christian places, that if we do that,

00:40:09.020 that means we're sending a signal throughout society that we're drawing a line around this

00:40:13.700 and saying, this is important. This is protected. Don't mess with this stuff. And as Christians,

00:40:20.740 We were told in the 1960s to pull all that out of society, pull the Ten Commandments out of society, pull all that out.

00:40:27.780 And what and what happened?

00:40:29.340 We didn't turn into some like secular humanist progressive. 0.98

00:40:33.000 Oh, you know, just be just be a good darn person kind of society. 0.97

00:40:37.820 No, we had the left come in. 0.98

00:40:39.920 They jammed their own values down our throats and they erected their own religion in place.

00:40:44.280 And so I view this as Christianity fighting back and actually American history fighting back. 0.71

00:40:49.440 yeah and you know i don't want to get too abstract and philosophical here but for me i go part of the

00:40:56.120 reason that the you know fundamental christian understanding of our nation is necessary in

00:41:01.560 order to have a functioning society is because christianity is just reality respecting this is

00:41:07.400 god's world um he set up the parameters for it and the way that we should work within it and so

00:41:11.700 you can typically expect that if you're going to get outside of that instruction manual you are

00:41:16.860 going to get further and further away from basic sense, basic wisdom, basic morality, and that's

00:41:22.100 what we're seeing. So for me, this idea that you can have any sort of just society separate from

00:41:29.540 Christianity is preposterous. And those who are making that appeal, I think, are starting to

00:41:35.780 recognize that it hasn't been as successful as they hoped. And I don't know about you, but I'm

00:41:41.360 actually seen kind of a shift on the left away from, um, expressing fear of Christianity and

00:41:49.000 trying to oppose Christianity and more trying to, um, appropriate Christianity and create a false

00:41:55.940 form of Christianity. So when you see guys like James Tirico, yeah. Yeah, no. So James Tirico,

00:42:01.820 great example, by the way, and you wrote an entire book about this basically. And I want to make sure

00:42:06.620 that you explain that to everybody explain these networks because this this false christianity

00:42:12.300 love your neighbor right love your neighbor it's the love your neighbor christianity that's being

00:42:16.760 um you know that's being active i hear miss rachel was saying that well by which says love your

00:42:21.220 neighbor right miss rachel love your neighbor and then she throws like the pronouns at you 1.00

00:42:24.760 and she throws the uh you know the the him her like androgynous friend playing guitar at you 1.00

00:42:31.960 That's why she's totally not welcome in our house, even though we have little kids. 0.99

00:42:36.920 And what is this network?

00:42:39.640 What did you discover when you were researching all of this?

00:42:42.320 Because you see it everywhere, and James Tirico is a great example.

00:42:45.140 Right, and all of this is connected to my book.

00:42:48.100 The Influencers, the James Tirico, what happened in that church.

00:42:52.020 Because what I want to pinpoint about what happened in that church is when those guys

00:42:55.060 went in, they didn't come in saying, we are anti-Christian, we are opposed to Christians.

00:42:59.640 Notice what they tried to do, that William Kelly, that, you know, sort of homeless looking

00:43:05.840 ringleader, he claimed, I am being Christ-like.

00:43:09.220 I am overturning tables in the temple.

00:43:11.680 Now, there's a million reasons I could give you for why he is extremely off-based and

00:43:16.080 Christ would be grieved and angry to see his bride treated that way.

00:43:20.220 But what we can pinpoint for this moment is that these guys are trying to claim the mantle

00:43:25.260 of Christ, and we're going to see that increasingly going forward.

00:43:27.940 And, you know, part of what I explored in my bestselling book, Shepherds for Sale, was that this is just like this, you know, riot in this church in St. Paul, this is funded and it is organized from major billionaires and foundations on the left.

00:43:42.380 So when we look at the immigration issue, we see these evangelical groups pushing open borders, pushing amnesty, and if you scratch the surface, what you find out is that they are being bankrolled by groups like Open Society, which is George Soros, in order to push those narratives.

00:44:01.360 When you look at what's happening on the ground in Minneapolis and St. Paul and the invaders

00:44:05.740 of that church, you scratch the surface and you find out that a billionaire associated

00:44:10.860 with the Chinese Communist Party is funding it, Neville Singer.

00:44:14.680 So every time you kind of look into these networks where they're pushing a false form 0.62

00:44:18.300 of Christianity, you will very frequently find that it is being bankrolled by the secular

00:44:22.720 left, not by Christians.

00:44:24.500 And so that's why it's really important to be discerning.

00:44:27.080 And anytime, you know, someone wants to bring some of this content into your church, you

00:44:30.700 should be asking questions. And you know, right now, if you're a pastor and you're listening to

00:44:35.200 this show, I do want to take a minute and encourage you. I know it's tough, but it would

00:44:40.960 be a really good moment to make it very clear for your people to put out some statement on social

00:44:46.060 media or, you know, from the pulpit to say, Christians respect law and order. We respect

00:44:51.360 the enforcement of the law. So if you don't like immigration law, then you fight that at the ballot

00:44:57.520 box. What you don't do is riot in the street because that is discrediting to the name of

00:45:02.280 Christ. It is a poor witness. It is not only not loving your neighbor, it is defaming the name of

00:45:07.500 the gods you say you serve. So you need to stop it. We don't have a God of lawlessness.

00:45:13.520 No, and they're using that to launder left-wing ideology and left-wing beliefs and left-wing

00:45:18.700 values. And we saw this, we see this year after year at, you know, in these Super Bowl ads,

00:45:24.240 right. What is it that he's just like us or whatever? And, you know, he gets us. Thank you.

00:45:29.980 He gets us. And I, Charlie and I used to talk about all the time, how it would, it was constantly

00:45:35.460 promoting these, the transgenderism, illegal aliens, all of this stuff. And then saying like, 0.93

00:45:42.620 oh, well, that's who, what, what Jesus would be for. Jesus would be for all of these things. And

00:45:47.540 if you want to be a good Christian, you need to be for these things as well. It's a joke.

00:45:53.040 It's ridiculous. 0.96

00:45:54.140 It's twisting scripture. 0.97

00:45:55.180 And you know what?

00:45:55.960 Satan can quote scripture too.

00:45:57.520 All right.

00:45:57.980 Satan can quote scripture.

00:45:59.920 And that's exactly what he did when Christ was there.

00:46:02.400 And there's a reason that the gospel shows us Satan quoting scripture, because that is

00:46:07.540 who you need to watch out for false prophets.

00:46:10.920 Yeah.

00:46:11.520 Amen.

00:46:12.000 And you know, one other note to add to that is that scripture tells us that when these

00:46:16.940 false teachers come in, they're going to use soft and flattering words.

00:46:20.900 And I find that so interesting because you expect false teachers to be fiery or angry.

00:46:26.920 And that is actually not what scripture teaches us.

00:46:29.640 It tells us that they're going to be very deceitful. 0.86

00:46:32.280 And it also tells us they're going to target women.

00:46:35.300 So, you know, I find that interesting.

00:46:36.940 I think that is part of the reason that God designed males to be the leaders of their

00:46:41.500 homes, because I do happen to think that women tend to, because of our soft and compassionate

00:46:47.340 natures. We tend to be easier targets for deceit. And so, you know, that's part of why I really 1.00

00:46:53.080 think that men in the church need to step up and they need to address this stuff. And they also

00:46:57.160 need to acknowledge that, listen, Satan's going to come to you in a package you may not immediately

00:47:01.800 recognize. And he will be speaking often soft and flattering words. And it could come in the form

00:47:08.980 of a beautiful Instagram spread with Bible pictures and the coffee and just poisonous heresy

00:47:16.220 coming with that lovely picture.

00:47:18.940 Megan, I love it.

00:47:20.200 You're just going off and it's so perfect.

00:47:22.460 It's so absolutely perfect.

00:47:24.560 And if you have been softened up by this culture,

00:47:27.240 then guess what?

00:47:28.160 When Satan does actually send his legions

00:47:30.800 to your church door,

00:47:32.520 you will not be prepared for it.

00:47:35.900 Megan Basham, where can people go to follow you?

00:47:38.240 Yeah, you can find me at Meg Basham on X

00:47:41.200 where I typically hang out. 1.00

00:47:42.080 But right now I am waging a one woman war 1.00

00:47:44.880 against the left-wing propagandist influencers 0.98

00:47:48.760 over on Instagram at journalist Megan Basham.

00:47:51.320 So you can find me there.

00:47:52.020 Come join me.

00:47:52.960 Well, I'm definitely going to have to check that out.

00:47:56.020 Megan Basham, thank you so much for joining us here, folks.

00:47:57.980 By the way, I'd love to ask a simple question.

00:48:01.720 Would the left be so supportive of supporting a riot

00:48:05.140 if this were at, say, I don't know,

00:48:07.360 a synagogue or a mosque or any other religion?

00:48:10.200 Interesting.

00:48:11.220 Ladies and gentlemen, as always,

00:48:12.420 you have my permission to lay ashore.

00:48:14.880 .

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - January 30, 2026

Don Lemon Arrested For Invading Christian Church & Harassing Christian Families

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