Jack Posobiec sits down with Brayden Sorboer on the sidelines of the Student Action Summit to discuss his new book, "Embracing Masculinity: Lifting Men Up in a World That Pushes Them Down."
00:14:45.780We have, through the slow whittling of morality in this country, destroyed everything that built this place.
00:14:55.900Everything that America used to stand for.
00:14:57.900Well, let me ask you this then, because, and it's interesting, by the way, you mentioned, I'll just say on the medication part, my wife, she comes from Eastern Europe.
00:15:06.480So, you know, for a lot of the things that we're talking about, even though she's been in the U.S. for quite some time now, it still just seems so far into her.
00:15:15.820Because when she hears about the medication, she said, you're on what?
00:15:36.080Where it's just, stuff is growing and it's brought to you and that's it.
00:15:38.580There's no, you know, Monsanto and GMOs and the rest of it.
00:15:40.880And so when you're looking at a society like that and you talk about embracing masculinity, I said to, I've said for a long time, and I've said what I was on Tucker and I've said to others, that the most masculine word in the English language is the word no.
00:16:36.600On social media, you see a ton of that.
00:16:38.060But what we've lost is what you're talking about, the moral strength.
00:16:41.600And you don't see this moral courage anymore to just say no to the things that men know are obviously wrong.
00:16:48.880And I'm sorry, guys, but I'm going to do the most radical thing I always do is I agree with the feminists because they say they say all they say all the problems in society are men's fault.
00:18:32.700Because when you're physically weak, then your only way to provide physical security for yourself is through the crowd, is through the group, is through consensus.
00:18:42.700And so this group collective security.
00:18:45.400So I'm secure physically because I'm protected by the group, which is also why you don't want to think for yourself.
00:18:51.540Because to think for yourself means you might be outside the group.
00:18:53.700And if you're thinking for yourself, now you're outside the group, now, oh, what I've said is not safe, therefore, I might be ostracized from the group.
00:19:01.300Now I'm going to lose my physical security.
00:19:03.020However, if you have a male who is physically able to defend themselves, they will consider themselves more willing to not just, by the way, think for yourself, but act upon those thoughts.
00:21:26.620God took Eve from Adam's rib so that they would be equal, right?
00:21:29.220Not from his head so that she would lord it over him.
00:21:31.560Not from his foot so he would trample over her.
00:21:33.240From next to his heart to be loved by him.
00:21:34.960From next to under his arm to be protected by him.
00:21:37.680Jesus is not less than the Father because he submitted to the will of the Father and put himself, allowed himself to be put on the cross.
00:21:43.980We know Jesus could have gotten off the cross at any moment.
00:21:46.120We know this, but he submitted to the will of the Father for the benefit of the universe and the divine order that has been implemented from its conception.
00:23:06.340I see it with people even when I meet.
00:23:07.920You can, I've gotten to this point now.
00:23:09.980It's something where, I don't want to say who said this to me, but someone very high profile in sort of the media world said,
00:23:16.820you know, I can always tell when I'm, when I, within a few minutes of meeting somebody, what kind of relationship they have with their father.
00:23:31.180And it's, it's such a way to re it really does divide people.
00:23:36.220And it really is something that where it stands out that you can see someone that, that father's relationship with them and the way the father raised them and formed them,
00:23:44.940it shows throughout their entire life beyond when they're, you know, beyond when their, their, their father's gone and passed from this mortal coil.
00:23:53.380So I'd like to say, I can see that you have a pretty good relationship with your dad.
00:24:53.800And, and the point being is that, you know, when you live in a society, again, of these soft men who many of which are raising their, their own children, it's, or, or in some cases you have kids that are raised without a father at all.
00:25:07.240And it's horrible that you get the society that we have today.
00:25:10.660And it goes all the way back to the destruction of the nuclear family, because what is a man's duty is to take care of his family, right?
00:25:17.300Longevity is the greatest legacy that we can leave as men.
00:25:21.540And so when we took that away from men, we took away their desire to succeed.
00:25:26.800And so unfortunately, my generation now has to fight, now has to take this battle without the guarantee of a wife and kids.
00:25:37.300I mean, that's all I want in life is to leave a legacy behind.
00:25:40.080And I remember being, you know, even before I had my wife and kids, I said, what would you, what would you want to be successful in life?
00:25:46.860And I always said, uh, have a wife and kids and make enough money that I don't have to send them to government school.
00:25:52.420You know, and that's it, that's it, that's it for me, you know, and, and I talk about this a lot, but one thing that I would add to all of this is that it didn't go away on its own.
00:26:01.380And this is key, is that there were deliberate infiltrations, operations, perversions, deflect, whatever you want to call it, that were done to this country, predominantly starting in the 1960s.
00:26:14.540You can go back further to a number, a number of eras in our, our history, but the deliberate action, I really do say took place in the 1960s and on forward to divide our country up and pit the genders against each other, to pit the races against each other, to create new genders and pit them against each other.
00:26:34.660And more and more and more, and just to, number one, what was, and what was the first thing they did?
00:26:39.660They took God out of the public square.
00:26:42.080So when they took God out of the public square and, and, and inevitably what they were able to do was replace him over time with their own religion.
00:26:49.740They did. Christianity is a marriage, marriage is a Christian institution is what I tell everybody, and the government made it a state institution.
00:26:57.020It made it a state religion. And so we added no fault divorce. We took the Bible out of schools.
00:27:01.000We gave people no reason to be proud of the nation they came from, and we destroyed what it meant to be American because the idea of America was you could come from anywhere and be anything.
00:27:09.320You work hard, you fight, and you have a chance of succeeding better than anywhere else in the world.
00:27:13.960And we took that away from young men. And because of it, like you said, people don't want to grow up.
00:27:17.520I call them the Peter Pan Neverland Lost Boys. They're just over on the island refusing to, you know, peek through adolescence.
00:27:23.660And the problem is we have to take a stance somewhere, which thankfully Gen Z is doing.
00:27:29.360I mean, we see with all the people at this event, I'm sure you see it everywhere you go.
00:27:33.100I do, you know, coming to Turning Point, you know, over the years.
00:27:36.220And it's been amazing because, you know, it's like the kids who were the Turning Point high school chapter leaders and members, you know, years ago are now college graduates.
00:27:49.000And suddenly they're so active. They're so online. They totally get the issues.
00:27:53.860They totally understand what's happening. And it's just incredible to see.
00:27:58.340And it's this huge force that I really believe is going to take the country back.
00:28:01.960By the way, you know, Nietzsche referred to what you're speaking of as the last man.
00:28:07.060So he said that this will be the last man at the end of nihilism.
00:28:11.300People think that Nietzsche was a nihilist, but he wasn't. He was worried about nihilism.
00:28:14.540And he saw that nihilism was coming. And actually what kind of drove him mad was he saw the world without that.
00:28:19.840When Nietzsche wrote God is dead, because it was God is dead because we've killed him.
00:28:23.860And and so he saw that even though that he wasn't necessarily a believer, what he said was the social impacts on this will destroy
00:28:31.540everything. And you're going to end up with these men who never grow up, who don't care about society,
00:28:37.640who don't care about legacy, who only care about themselves, their physical appearances.
00:28:42.600They are constantly, you know, glossing themselves in the mirror and looking after themselves, the pretty ones.
00:28:49.140And that will be the last man, the men who never grow up or accept any responsibility for themselves.
00:28:54.760And this is what's so fascinating about Nietzsche is here's a guy who's, you know, not even a Christian,
00:28:58.280but who's writing about all of the social impacts. And he he saw this coming 150 years ago.
00:29:03.860Yeah, he did. And that is that's a great point, because it's so true even today.
00:29:08.260I mean, this is what I truly believe to be our last chance at saving this country,
00:29:12.980because if this generation of Gen Z doesn't step up to the plate and take the fight to the left and take the fight to the people in charge,
00:29:19.260then we fall as America. We become something entirely different.
00:29:22.600And we've seen it time and time again, how communism wrecks a country.
00:29:25.700So when you have candidates like Zoran Mamdani being received with open arms by young people,
00:29:30.580especially young liberal women, it breaks my heart to a degree.
00:29:34.260But the benefit, the plus side is there are people who are willing to fight.
00:29:37.320The Archdiocese of L.A. had a 34 percent uptick in new converts this past year,
00:29:41.220which was doubled from last year as from another 30 percent uptick.
00:29:44.520So we have people who are returning to Catholic and Orthodox tradition,
00:29:47.820the deep theology for the benefit of tradition for those values.
00:29:52.580Why would you say, you know, and I say this as a cradle Catholic,
00:29:56.380but I do see more and more converts to Catholicism, some Orthodoxy,
00:30:03.100but it's really Catholicism, the Latin Mass.
00:30:06.080You know, these things seem really appealing to Gen Z. Why is that?
00:30:09.520Well, it's because we're seeking tradition in a broken world.
00:30:12.280The country and the entire globe has taken morality and made it subjective.
00:30:18.220And so in looking for truth, I look at Protestantism now as a Catholic.
00:30:23.140I mean, I was Protestant my whole life.
00:30:25.020Protestantism is like a dry, barren desert.
00:30:27.280The tenets of it that we have today have been around for less than three centuries.
00:30:31.180I look at Catholicism, especially coming as a Protestant.
00:30:34.280It was like I was walking into a jungle with a Swiss army knife.
00:30:37.560The depth, the history, everything was there for the past 2,000 years,
00:30:42.240unchanging, guided by the Holy Spirit, just like Christ promised his apostles.
00:30:45.420And so that is incredibly appealing because I realize that there's something real there.
00:30:50.320Christ said that the church would not fail.
00:30:52.200The gates of Hades would not prevail against it, which was not a defensive position.
00:30:55.140A lot of people hear, oh, Hades is going to push against.
00:30:57.380But no, the gates were meant to be stormed.
00:30:59.480It was an offensive position that Christ was dictating to his church.
00:31:03.160When he said, I will make you, Matthew 16, he says,
00:31:05.720you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
00:31:09.420He was telling the church to go on the offensive.
00:31:11.660And so a lot of my generation is realizing that.
00:31:13.720And that's the difference between maybe a lot of the cradle Catholics versus the Gen Z converts.