Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - November 21, 2022


EPISODE 321: ELON MUSK HAS BEGUN THE RELEASE OF THE POWs


Episode Stats

Length

25 minutes

Words per Minute

187.34921

Word Count

4,737

Sentence Count

339

Misogynist Sentences

16

Hate Speech Sentences

10


Summary

Elon Musk has begun the liberation of the POWs of the Meme War on Twitter. We are going to discuss it today. President Trump reinstated on Twitter, many other conservatives also coming forth. We re going to get into all of it.


Transcript

00:00:00.500 Elon Musk has begun the liberation of the POWs of the meme war on Twitter.
00:00:07.800 We are going to discuss it today.
00:00:09.200 President Trump reinstated on Twitter many other conservatives also coming forth.
00:00:14.980 We're going to get into all of it.
00:00:16.500 But first, I want to let you guys know, I know we've been talking about America Fest,
00:00:19.880 but this Friday, coming this Friday, it's the steal of the century.
00:00:23.820 There's going to be a massive Black Friday sale on all general admission tickets for America Fest.
00:00:31.380 It starts this Friday, and I'm told that it goes all the way through Cyber Monday.
00:00:36.140 So that includes Cyber Monday.
00:00:37.620 So we're talking midnight Thursday night.
00:00:39.980 So right at the stroke of midnight on Friday, all the way through Cyber Monday.
00:00:44.960 This is when you will want to purchase your tickets.
00:00:47.820 So just wait.
00:00:48.860 Friday is coming.
00:00:50.080 Get your tickets.
00:00:51.180 Amfest.com.
00:00:52.320 Let's get into it.
00:00:53.820 So I think these polls are mostly a gimmick, and I would argue the people haven't spoken.
00:01:08.540 The GRU has spoken.
00:01:10.180 These, Twitter has become.
00:01:11.340 Russian intelligence, you mean?
00:01:13.520 100%.
00:01:14.160 Twitter has become a playground for bad actors and fake bots.
00:01:17.680 This poll is meaningless.
00:01:19.040 This decision is meaningless.
00:01:20.220 But you had predicted earlier that Twitter could collapse.
00:01:24.720 Twitter has become a playground for bots and Russian intelligence.
00:01:28.540 Oh, my gosh.
00:01:29.880 Doesn't actually come up with any evidence of that.
00:01:33.620 But, yeah, we're just going to go and spread wild conspiracy theories because that's what we do on Face the Nation.
00:01:39.480 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard tonight's edition of Human Events Daily, powered by Turning Point USA.
00:01:44.860 Today is November 21st, 2022, Anno Domini.
00:01:48.620 We have to talk about the continued muskening of Twitter.
00:01:52.680 Over the weekend, as many people saw, Elon Musk restored the account of President Donald J. Trump to Twitter.
00:02:02.000 Now, Trump has failed to tweet.
00:02:05.340 He's holding back.
00:02:06.320 He's saying, I'm not going to do it.
00:02:07.400 And that doesn't surprise me.
00:02:08.440 It doesn't surprise me that Trump isn't going to tweet yet because he's got true social going.
00:02:12.920 And, of course, he also loves to keep people guessing.
00:02:15.920 He loves the will he won't.
00:02:17.160 He will he won't.
00:02:18.420 What's he going to do?
00:02:19.560 What's Trump's plan?
00:02:20.480 That's where exactly he wants you.
00:02:22.840 That's exactly where Trump wants you.
00:02:24.540 He wants you in his world.
00:02:26.220 And that's where we all are now.
00:02:27.100 And Musk is tweeting memes, trying to bait Trump to come back on.
00:02:30.540 But in addition to that, he's also bringing back lots of other conservative accounts and a few other liberal accounts as well.
00:02:39.360 But, of course, there aren't that many liberal accounts to bring back.
00:02:42.540 And that's a function of the fact that only one side under old Twitter, only one side ever had the rules applied to them and only had the rules applied to them in such a broad and sweeping manner.
00:02:56.540 And that was conservatives and, in particular, Trump supporters.
00:03:00.840 If you're a Trump supporter, if you're a conservative on Twitter, you knew the rules applied to you in a way that they never apply to anybody else.
00:03:07.420 One word, one sentence, one phrase taken out of context or said in any way, certainly in jest or sarcasm, boom, you're zapped forever.
00:03:15.760 But we've got great accounts back.
00:03:17.300 We've got ALX.
00:03:18.120 We've got James Lindsay.
00:03:18.860 We've got many, many more.
00:03:20.040 So to help me break down who all has come back, I want to bring on Libby Emmons, who is back.
00:03:25.080 Now, I'm back in D.C.
00:03:26.020 She's back in New York.
00:03:27.020 I was in Mexico.
00:03:27.660 You were in Vegas over the weekend.
00:03:30.420 You got to see President Trump's speech.
00:03:32.340 President D.C.
00:03:33.020 You saw DeSantis' speech as well, right?
00:03:35.220 Yes.
00:03:35.540 And before I was in Las Vegas, I was at Mar-a-Lago for the big announcement, which was exciting.
00:03:39.400 Ended at Mar-a-Lago.
00:03:39.900 Wow.
00:03:40.900 Yeah.
00:03:41.360 So it was quite the travel week.
00:03:43.840 A little bit of traveling.
00:03:45.840 A little bit.
00:03:46.560 It's a lot.
00:03:47.080 And then, yes, I saw Trump speak at the Republican-Jewish coalition as well as Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis.
00:03:57.180 Very cool.
00:03:58.100 Very cool.
00:03:58.640 And of course, we're all going to find out what's going on between the two of them coming up.
00:04:02.620 But getting back to Twitter, the muskening.
00:04:05.180 Now, Libby, who else has been brought back online since last we checked?
00:04:09.880 Well, we've got Marjorie Taylor Greene's personal account is back online.
00:04:14.060 We have James Lindsay is back.
00:04:16.780 Of course, the Babylon Bee is back as well as Dr. Jordan Peterson is back.
00:04:24.100 A really exciting one that I thought a major win for the free press was Project Veritas.
00:04:29.600 Yes, Veritas.
00:04:31.200 Huge.
00:04:31.540 Wonderful.
00:04:33.080 Yes.
00:04:33.400 And another great one was Canadian feminist Megan Murphy, who was banned for calling a man him in 2018.
00:04:43.080 So she used the wrong pronoun and she was banned.
00:04:45.380 Yes.
00:04:45.540 Also, the great ALX.
00:04:47.200 The great ALX is back.
00:04:48.860 Hopefully, I can get – maybe I have to get him on and talk about this at some point.
00:04:51.760 But what's interesting about that one as well, by the way, my friend Mike Morrison, Office of Mike, who you might remember,
00:04:57.600 he's the guy that ran the mini AOC parody early on before any of it.
00:05:04.960 It was the AOC press account and it was hilarious and 100,000 followers destroyed and then they took him down too.
00:05:13.320 So Mike Morrison is back, very, very happy about that.
00:05:16.000 ALX though, I asked him, I said, so did you have an open appeal?
00:05:19.800 Did you have some kind of email forward?
00:05:23.020 What was the process?
00:05:23.880 He goes – you know what he actually said to me?
00:05:25.460 He said, there's no process open whatsoever.
00:05:29.600 It's literally somebody was on Twitter and was about to tweet out his name and then noticed that when they went to type at ALX – and that's exactly what it was.
00:05:39.700 And ALX, he was OG MAGA 2016, one of the guys with us that was back there when it mattered, in the trenches, every day, meme war veteran, meme war POW who has been in the gulags.
00:05:50.980 He said he just saw his account was back.
00:05:53.880 Nobody even told him anything, no phone call, no email, anything.
00:05:57.100 He was literally just back.
00:05:59.160 And so perhaps something that we're looking at – perhaps we're looking at this wrong.
00:06:04.300 Perhaps over the weekend, a lot of these high-profile bans were overturned and that people are only now just finding out when they go and actually check various accounts to see if they've been unlocked.
00:06:16.360 Do you see what I'm saying?
00:06:17.580 Mm-hmm.
00:06:18.660 Yeah, that's pretty interesting.
00:06:20.680 It's like Twitter's just not making a big deal about it.
00:06:23.160 They're just changing some of their protocols and bringing people back on who shouldn't have been banned in the first place.
00:06:29.340 Now, the one thing I do have to say is interesting, though, is it does seem like – and by the way, Savannah Hernandez says that would definitely be on my list.
00:06:37.060 Carpe Donkham, so many people on my list that I'd like to be brought back.
00:06:40.180 But one thing I do have to say, though, is – and we should talk about the fact that he has said that he doesn't want to bring back Elon – or excuse me, Elon has said that he doesn't want to bring back Alex Jones.
00:06:48.540 And the reason for that is it pertains to Sandy Hook.
00:06:52.200 And we've only got a couple of minutes left here, Libby, but he had a very emotional response, and he talked about his own firstborn son dying.
00:06:59.480 He said, if Alex Jones exploits the death of a child, I've been through the death of the child.
00:07:03.460 That is just too much for me.
00:07:04.660 And not to obviously get into that, but it does strike me, though, that that seemed like a personal decision.
00:07:11.140 That seemed like a decision that was based on his own personal feelings.
00:07:16.520 And that kind of gets me to the point where I'm thinking, you know, at this point, Twitter – it's not so much that Twitter has direct policies right now.
00:07:23.420 We have a king.
00:07:24.620 Twitter has a monarch, basically.
00:07:27.400 I saw Will Chamberlain post that.
00:07:28.820 And that's pretty much what it is.
00:07:30.840 Yeah, I think that you're right.
00:07:32.600 I don't think that Elon Musk should allow his personal feelings to get in the way of who's being reinstated.
00:07:38.180 I think free speech absolutism is exactly that.
00:07:41.080 And one thing I think that a lot of people forget is that Alex Jones has apologized repeatedly for the comments that he made.
00:07:48.340 And I think that everyone gets a chance at redemption, and that should apply to Alex Jones as well.
00:07:56.300 No, I couldn't agree more, Libby.
00:07:57.660 And that's what Christianity is all about – atonement, getting a second chance.
00:08:02.980 But since we have to talk about the fact that this country is becoming anti-Christian and anti-conservative, we have to talk about the building and the institution of a parallel economy.
00:08:13.720 And what does that mean?
00:08:14.560 All across the country, Americans are discovering that if we want to change this nation, we must change the way the marketplace works.
00:08:20.960 Woe corporations are seeking to divide us.
00:08:22.940 Big banks are freezing the accounts of people who disagree with their political views.
00:08:26.220 And our supply chain is dependent on countries that actively work against our values.
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00:09:08.820 Be right back more, Libby Emmons.
00:09:12.380 Disney.
00:09:13.260 Leaked internal documents obtained by journalist Christopher Rufo show that the Walt Disney Corporation,
00:09:18.020 pushing critical race theory in a new Maoist re-education program,
00:09:22.340 forcing employees to parrot divisive dogma about white fragility and internalized racism.
00:09:28.220 Disney's trying to brainwash its workers to support defunding the police, participate in reparations, and to decolonize their bookshelf.
00:09:35.660 The whole thing, of course, is marinated in a corrosive anti-Americanism.
00:09:39.320 And as we make clear every time we talk about this, we do believe there is racial injustice in this country.
00:09:44.940 But the answer is conservative ideas like school choice and strong families that actually deliver more equal opportunity for Americans of every race.
00:09:53.020 Meanwhile, we confront this hateful, wokest ideology.
00:09:56.960 The culmination, as we've shown you, of a hundred year effort to undermine faith, family and culture.
00:10:02.440 It has taken over corporate America.
00:10:04.020 The question is, how do we best fight back?
00:10:07.440 So, Disney just announced that they are getting rid of their current CEO and chairman, Bob Shappick, and they're bringing back Bob Iger.
00:10:18.960 They're bringing back Bob Iger.
00:10:21.180 Now, some people out there have said, oh, this is great because Disney now, they're making a turn against wokeness.
00:10:27.860 They're going back to just the basics.
00:10:30.160 They're going to make everything good again.
00:10:31.780 Here's the problem.
00:10:33.040 Bob Iger is an ultra leftist.
00:10:35.740 Bob Iger is the same guy who put Disney on this trajectory when he originally put Kathleen Kennedy and all the people that he did in front in charge of number one, Star Wars, and then eventually Marvel.
00:10:50.440 And there was a great line from Bounding Into Comics earlier today that I've got to bring up.
00:10:55.220 The great guys at Bounding Into Comics.
00:10:57.120 Make sure that you go and check those out.
00:10:58.920 After you've read your post-millennial, after you've read your humanevents.com, go over to Bounding Into Comics every once in a while because they're great when it comes to this, the pop culture.
00:11:09.960 And what does it say?
00:11:11.180 They're rehiring the architect of their problems, ultra leftist Bob Iger, as Bob Shappick is out.
00:11:17.480 And what did they write?
00:11:18.120 The Walt Disney Company has been committing seppuku over the last decade or so under the leadership of both Iger and Chappick.
00:11:27.160 The company went out and purchased male-oriented brands in Lucasfilm and Marvel and turned them into female-oriented brands, driving away customers both at the box office and in retail purchases.
00:11:40.400 And look, I've got to say it, right?
00:11:42.520 There is a reason, and Libby, you know, I want to get your take on this as well, but I'm just going to say it, and people get mad when I bring this up.
00:11:49.740 I am raising my kids without Star Wars.
00:11:52.040 Star Wars is not welcome in our house.
00:11:54.320 Star Wars is not something that we watch.
00:11:56.360 We don't turn it on.
00:11:57.100 We don't have any paraphernalia.
00:11:58.420 We don't have any of the merchandise, the movies, anything.
00:12:01.820 If it comes on, we turn it right off.
00:12:03.480 When we're walking through the store, my four-year-old will see it, and he walks right past it because he has no connection to it whatsoever.
00:12:10.240 And honestly, because they injected so much wokeness, and remember Kathleen Kennedy, you're with her, the force is female stuff.
00:12:18.180 No, I'm sorry.
00:12:19.400 I don't want my kids to be involved in that, and I don't know if there's more parents like me out there, but I do think that you've certainly seen this in the retail side.
00:12:28.240 You've seen it in park attendants.
00:12:29.780 You've seen it in a number of, obviously, the box office issues.
00:12:33.240 People are turning away from Star Wars.
00:12:35.340 They're already starting to turn away from the MCU as well because they've turned these in, and I think this is key.
00:12:40.100 They've made them female-centric when they were originally male-centric.
00:12:45.400 Yeah, what they've really done is taken some really good properties that, you know, were the bedrock of American Hollywood entertainment, and they have turned them into propaganda.
00:12:55.300 It's not even so much that they have replaced male heroes with female heroines.
00:13:01.320 It's that they have done so in service to an ideology and not in service to storytelling at all.
00:13:06.680 So the stories are boring.
00:13:08.240 They are bland.
00:13:09.180 They are so clearly there to just prop up an agenda and a political perspective.
00:13:15.180 They're not there in service to any kind of good narrative or classical storytelling that actually is compelling and fascinating.
00:13:22.920 If you're going to replace a male lead with a female lead, you can't just graft a male storyline over the female character.
00:13:32.840 It just doesn't work.
00:13:34.260 Women's stories are different.
00:13:36.120 There's nothing wrong with that.
00:13:37.340 They are not lesser stories because they are different, but they are simply different.
00:13:41.100 And if you're going to tell a female-led narrative, it has to be derived from her personal story and from that character.
00:13:48.180 So by just making these transformations, it's a, you know, it's a propagandist move.
00:13:54.020 It's not based in narrative or character development.
00:13:56.780 You had, specifically, you were working on a piece, if I remember correctly, about Snow White.
00:14:02.140 Some, some, what is this, the live action Snow White that they're talking about?
00:14:05.600 What's going on?
00:14:06.300 Yeah, so there was an actress, I forget her name because the whole project is so clearly pointless and bad that I don't all ever see it.
00:14:14.240 Yeah, but she was talking about how the new Snow White is going to be about how Snow White gets power and she's not going to be just waiting around for some prince to come save her.
00:14:24.380 And, of course, a new Snow White that gains power, that's the Wicked Queen.
00:14:28.060 That's who the Wicked Queen is.
00:14:29.180 The Wicked Queen is there, is she embodies, you know, the quest for power and domination at any cost.
00:14:36.620 And the old Snow White, I'm not talking about the Grimm's fairy tale necessarily, which was different.
00:14:41.800 But the Disney Snow White is about prioritizing love.
00:14:46.820 It's about prioritizing family.
00:14:49.320 It's about taking care of each other.
00:14:51.060 And that is, of course, what so many of the Disney stories in the 20th century were about.
00:14:56.960 They told us that it's OK and good and real and fulfilling to prioritize love and family and communion with each other and with our, you know, with our family, as I said.
00:15:09.020 So this new brand of Disney is just going to lead children down a path to lives that have absolutely no fulfillment or connection with their fellow human beings.
00:15:19.040 And that's a shame.
00:15:21.060 That's a great point, though, that you make, that it's we're told everything must be a quest for power.
00:15:26.460 So women must be on a quest for power.
00:15:28.160 Men must be on a quest for power.
00:15:29.840 No one must be on a quest for love.
00:15:31.580 No one must be on a quest for family.
00:15:33.780 Those things are, if anything, you saw this in Frozen, by the way, right?
00:15:38.460 You know, all the male characters.
00:15:39.560 I talk about this all the time.
00:15:40.600 All the male characters in Frozen are either in the way or they're bad or they're stupid.
00:15:45.020 And it's just the power of Elsa and her relationship with her sister, right?
00:15:51.160 That makes it a story worth telling.
00:15:54.400 OK, there's no search for love.
00:15:56.200 There's no even there's no love interest in it.
00:15:58.480 It's almost like it's treated as something that shouldn't be sought after.
00:16:02.420 And that it's it's sort of like a deconstruction.
00:16:04.540 The whole thing is deconstruction when it comes down to it, because in deconstructing these
00:16:08.820 issues, you're deconstructing the traditional values that make our society.
00:16:13.040 Last word.
00:16:13.760 Yeah.
00:16:14.920 No, they want to destroy the nuclear family.
00:16:16.940 They want to destroy our hearts and souls.
00:16:18.940 And they want to make us cogs in the capitalist machine, just churning out our labor and trying
00:16:24.800 to find fulfillment in money and power.
00:16:27.940 And it's just not there.
00:16:29.880 It's just not there.
00:16:31.160 We know that.
00:16:31.740 That's so insightful, though, giving her that it's that by making Snow White be on a quest
00:16:39.280 for power, it's actually giving her the Wicked Queen's plot line rather than Snow White's
00:16:45.420 plot line, because what is Snow White other than someone who seeks love?
00:16:49.380 That's the whole point of the story.
00:16:52.000 I'm sure you could see this with with pretty much all of them, but right, Cinderella, Beauty
00:16:56.000 and the Beast, et cetera, et cetera.
00:16:58.440 And folks, this is what we've been talking about.
00:17:00.820 OK, so Disney's not going to change just because Bob Iger is coming in now.
00:17:05.760 Disney's not going to go away from the wokeness.
00:17:07.600 They're playing a game.
00:17:09.220 They want you to think that things are changing when in actuality they never will.
00:17:15.420 I'm here today because I am very much in support of saving babies.
00:17:23.480 When I was much younger, I made the choice, which I don't really feel it was a choice because
00:17:28.480 I was only 13, so it wasn't a choice.
00:17:31.100 But I was driven to a place like this, and I aborted my child.
00:17:35.740 And then a year later, at 14, I was driven to a place like this, and I aborted another child.
00:17:41.540 So a couple years later, my sister got pregnant at 14, and she was told, you're going to go
00:17:45.800 see the same Dr. Trino.
00:17:47.260 And my sister said, no, I will not kill my baby.
00:17:50.580 And to this day, we're both middle-aged women now.
00:17:52.600 My sister has children and grandchildren.
00:17:55.200 And at Christmas time, her table in her house is full.
00:17:58.220 I buried my mom two years ago, and I was by her bedside when she died, and all of my sisters,
00:18:02.600 we were around her.
00:18:03.880 When my time comes, my babies aren't going to be there.
00:18:06.240 And I just, I know that's selfish.
00:18:08.400 I hate to even think of it like that.
00:18:09.820 And I've regretted it for a long time.
00:18:11.580 But as I get older, the more, the older I get, the more I regret that.
00:18:15.500 I won't even call it a decision because I was, I didn't know I had a choice.
00:18:19.020 Nobody told me you have the choice to keep your baby.
00:18:21.120 It was like, you're going to the clinic, and you're going to do this.
00:18:23.880 And I did it.
00:18:24.940 I later found out that the gentleman that I was pregnant by at the time, he's an older man
00:18:29.140 as well, he has not had children as far as I know.
00:18:31.640 I've looked him up, and I don't see any children in his life either.
00:18:34.260 So there's missing people.
00:18:35.760 My babies would be 36 and 37, and they're just not here.
00:18:40.420 So what I want to say to especially black people, if black lives matter, then black babies'
00:18:45.440 lives matter as well.
00:18:46.860 I'm holding this picture, and this is true.
00:18:49.380 I'm for all babies.
00:18:51.120 It's tough to watch.
00:18:52.560 And there's a story that crossed our desk when we were doing show prep this morning.
00:18:59.240 It was actually an op-ed from a therapist who came out with, and this is, Sofia Corso wrote
00:19:05.840 it up for The Federalist, that yes, post-abortive women do suffer from trauma and, quote, complicated
00:19:12.720 grief.
00:19:13.400 And according to a study in the British Journal of Psychiatry, an analysis of research on
00:19:18.980 almost 1 million women, 877,000 women, 163,000 of them had experienced abortion and concluded
00:19:27.540 that post-abortive women were 81% more likely to struggle with mental health issues.
00:19:33.780 And we're not talking about people that are necessarily pro-life advocates or religious
00:19:38.760 people, but at the same time, people who experience trauma following abortion, just like you heard
00:19:45.540 there, Libby, what's your take on this?
00:19:47.640 This is an issue you follow closely.
00:19:50.200 I found that video absolutely devastating to watch, and I really, my heart goes out to
00:19:54.540 that woman and her, the people who are missing from her table.
00:19:58.720 I just think that that's got to be excruciating for her, and I've got most respect for her
00:20:03.700 in fighting to save the lives of other unborn children.
00:20:08.040 We know from data that's been collected, there's incomplete data in the U.S. because a lot
00:20:12.680 of states don't report their data on abortions by race, or some states don't really report
00:20:18.900 their data at all.
00:20:19.820 But there is evidence to suggest that the largest number of women who undergo abortions are
00:20:27.760 Black mothers.
00:20:29.000 And when we talk about Black Lives Matter, that woman is exactly right.
00:20:33.260 Black Lives Matter, Black Babies Matter, and it's really a crime that Black women in this
00:20:38.160 country are told that they are not fit to be mothers.
00:20:40.360 And, of course, Black women are fit to be mothers.
00:20:45.280 I think that it's wild and crazy that when we hear the discourse from politicians about
00:20:50.780 abortion, they are basically talking to Black women who are most of the abortions in this
00:20:57.080 country.
00:20:58.760 Yeah, truly devastating.
00:21:00.060 I think another piece that we don't talk about is the lives of men who are impacted by abortion.
00:21:05.720 I've known liberal men in my life whose partners, whose wives in a few cases have had abortions
00:21:13.640 and they're in, you know, loving marriages and the women have gone to have abortions and
00:21:19.760 the men and their, you know, their, the fathers have not felt that they had an opportunity
00:21:25.440 to say no.
00:21:27.240 They have felt that it's not their place.
00:21:29.200 This is actually a huge deal in terms of this question and something Cassie J gets into
00:21:34.680 in her documentary, The Red Pill, that under current standing abortion law in the United
00:21:40.580 States, there is no recourse for the men, for the fathers.
00:21:44.700 There's no recourse whatsoever.
00:21:46.620 So everyone talks about, of course, the woman's right to choose and, and I get where they're
00:21:51.960 coming from in that.
00:21:52.760 And because it's the woman who has the pregnancy, obviously, but what about the father whose
00:21:58.500 child is, and there's no, what do you go to the judge and get an injunction?
00:22:05.300 You'd be laughed out of court, right?
00:22:06.900 It's just not, we have no jurisprudence for it whatsoever.
00:22:09.440 There's no recourse.
00:22:11.120 There's no legal recourse.
00:22:12.300 And these men do experience grief because their children have been killed and they won't
00:22:17.820 have the opportunity to be fathers to those children.
00:22:20.260 I've spoken specifically to men who have been in my life, um, who've said, you know, Libby,
00:22:24.880 I don't feel like I even have a right to grieve this, but I'm incredibly sad about this.
00:22:29.320 And I wish she had had my baby.
00:22:31.240 And I've said to them, yeah, you have to grieve this.
00:22:34.740 Of course, you know, there's no way forward without going through the grieving process here.
00:22:39.440 And they basically feel that, you know, they've felt that they don't have that opportunity.
00:22:43.680 And then most of these cases that I'm discussing, the relationships did not last.
00:22:48.420 And the men went on to, you know, be with somebody else.
00:22:51.660 I don't think, and I could be wrong about this.
00:22:54.280 Maybe I'm, you know, too idealistic and romantic, but I don't think that there's a woman out there
00:23:01.160 who, if a man said to her, baby, you're pregnant with my baby.
00:23:04.260 This is exceptional news.
00:23:06.560 I know I've been running around and I'm not a great guy, but I want to support you.
00:23:10.580 And I want to have our baby together.
00:23:12.200 And I want to bring up this family and I love you.
00:23:14.980 And this is beautiful.
00:23:15.940 I don't think there's a woman out there who would say, you know what?
00:23:20.020 Thanks for the opera of stability, love and happiness, but I'm going to go do something else now and kill my baby.
00:23:26.060 I don't know that there's a lot of women who wouldn't just say, yeah, I'm on board.
00:23:30.360 Let's do this.
00:23:31.440 Let's let's make a family.
00:23:33.020 Let's have a fulfilling life.
00:23:35.180 We were so.
00:23:35.860 So, Tanya, having not grown up in the U.S., and we've only got a minute left here, but just real quick, we were.
00:23:41.420 So she hasn't seen a lot of like the 80s, 90s movies that we all grew up with.
00:23:44.600 And we were watching Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
00:23:46.960 And I totally forgot that there's a whole abortion subplot in that movie where one of the girls who's out there having casual sex with some of the men in her high school class gets pregnant, goes and gets an abortion, lies to her brother about it.
00:24:01.160 And it's it's treated as just sort of a it's a subplot in the film.
00:24:05.560 And then everybody goes back to dating at the end.
00:24:07.700 And it's like everyone's just laughing.
00:24:09.440 You're in the middle of a comedy as if, oh, that's just what you do.
00:24:12.140 And it feels like for a long time in this country, that's just how it was treated.
00:24:16.640 Oh, it's just something that you do, something you take care of.
00:24:18.640 And there's no traumatic impact on either party as depicted in this Hollywood movie.
00:24:23.500 That's not really the case in reality, is it?
00:24:26.380 Yeah, no, that's not the case at all.
00:24:27.880 I've also known many women who have had abortions because they were coerced into it by their partners in some cases as well.
00:24:35.040 Married partners who have said, you know, that they don't want to have children.
00:24:37.980 And so the women have gone on to have abortions and have fully regretted those choices and wished that they had not wished that they had not wished that they had kept their children and raised them.
00:24:49.100 Yeah. And not to add too much on too much of a down note, but Libby, I think this is this is important.
00:24:53.980 And I think it's and I'm glad in a sense, at least that so many women and men at this point are finally speaking out against this,
00:25:01.080 because if conservatives want to start to move the need and we have been, we need to make a place for the women to come forward.
00:25:09.940 Libby Edmonds of the Post Millennial, thank you so much for joining us today.
00:25:13.380 And as always, ladies and gentlemen, you have my permission to lay ashore.