EPISODE 355： EXPOSING KIM KARDASHIAN AND THE INNOCENCE PROJECT WITH SEAN FITZGERALD
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In this episode, we are joined by the actual justice warrior, Sean F. Fitzgerald, to talk about his new podcast, "Law and Order: Law and Order" and the case that got him into the game.
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all right we're very excited so we're here at america fest and we're going to be recording
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a couple episodes some special interviews to air over the christmas break for human events daily
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and i was so excited literally pulled this guy off the hallway and i said sean we're doing an
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interview were we talking about this for years at this point right to do this and so i said finally
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because i have the whole setup and your gear and uh what can i say you know i've got i've got a squad
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with me and you know we we held him in the back room for a little while worked him over a little
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bit with a couple of ropes you know and and now he's here no so we've got sean fitzgerald he is
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the actual justice warrior if you are not following him on youtube you're doing yourself a disservice
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please go and follow his channel and and sean the thing that you and i always chat about and you
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do great videos on this and every once in a while i'll chime in or but i'll go off on twitter
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are these cases these these murder cases that it's it's kind of the weirdest thing and i don't even
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know how to describe it at first but i'll just say where i came onto it and and then you can tell us
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how you came in and a little bit about your background but it's kim kardashian would get
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involved in these cases and say oh my gosh i found this terrible man and he's been falsely charged and
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he's convicted and they're going to kill him and it's it's a huge injustice and racism is rearing
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its ugly head once again particularly in the south and we need to get involved and i would say my gosh
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that's terrible it's so horrible and i'd look into the case and i'd find that it was fake the whole
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thing was fake everything they were saying was either a lie or some politically racially charged
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statement that if you just actually looked into the basic facts it completely turned on its head
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and i i said i have to fight back against this because she's just out there lying it's it's not
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only that they're guilty but they're ridiculously over the top guilty and it's not even close so
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guilty and we end up finding out they're guilty of more crimes throughout the course of doing the
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research into these cases the more research i did and we'll get into a second but on the first case
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we're going to talk about the more i found out about this guy i realized that even if by some act
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of god you could exonerate him of the one case there's like 13 more that would put him basically
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in the exact same spot that he is right now um one of which was actually far worse in when it comes to
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in in in some respects to to the case that he's in for but but sean give us a little bit of your
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background and and and why should we listen to you when it comes to law and order oh so um my background
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is in criminal justice that's where i hold both of my degrees one of which is from john jay college
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of criminal justice out of new york city um and i'm really interested in these cases and i've been
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really interested in law for the better part of my life i spent my educational life on it and my post
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you know graduate life on it and now i'm doing it for a living i guess on youtube and it's just
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you know i i guess i wouldn't say you need to take me seriously on it but just look at the
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information i always cite my sources and check it out for yourself and you shouldn't take kim
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kardashian seriously i know right so but there's another angle to this because i know you know me
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being me i'm also interested in who are the people behind the people that are pitching this stuff
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because suddenly and there's this particular case that got me into it and it was rodney reed
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and this guy kim kardashian's talking about him he goes on dr phil dr phil actually goes to death row
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down in uh barstop texas interviews him um dr oz is talking to the family when he did his show
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kim kardashian's constantly rodney reed rodney reed rodney reed and then i find out there's this group
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called the innocence project and this is a very powerful left-wing group they have received money
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from the open society foundation at one point and this is of course george torres's group a ton of
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money from him and as i pull back i really and the innocence project they have their fingers in
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netflix and many series is in in spotify they have a series out now where kim kardashian is the host
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and we'll get to that in a minute but specifically on this case of rodney reed i realized that
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everything she's saying is just a lie yes it's it's just a lie and you could play that argument of
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whether she believes it or whether they told her to say it whatever right but she just hasn't done
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the actual basic homework and so here comes me to bash her over the head with the fact so walk us
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through a little bit just in a couple of minutes what was the rodney reed case what was he convicted of
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and how was he fingered yeah so in in the 1990s rodney reed raped and murdered a woman called
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stacy stice he did this as she was on her way to heb she was working a graveyard shift because she was
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married to a police officer called jimmy or engaged to a police officer called jimmy fennel and she was
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working that shift in order to make extra money in order to pay for the wedding so initially and a
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lot of what the kim kardashian side says it rodney reed was not the suspect in this crime like
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there's accusations that he was framed that there was an affair that the cops are all in on it that
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because the fiance was the cop yes that him he and his buddies you know you know rigged up the evidence
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and made it look like it was him but but but it's important to note that even though the fiance was a
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cop he was a cop in a different department than the town she was murdered in and because this
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involved the fiance of a cop they actually involved the texas rangers in the investigation
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so from the jump in order to have this like frame up job you need three different departments
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coordinating and that just doesn't make a lot of sense but reed is not the suspect immediately for a
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year they suspect the husband because our fiance because they always suspect the fiance and they
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look into him they think oh maybe there was an affair they go into all these things the only reason
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rodney reed was arrested is because he attempted to rape another woman oh same age same description same
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area and they ran his dna and then found not only did he match stacy stites but he matched another
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woman same age same profile raped six months prior and they realized that this was a pattern of behavior
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so they bring rodney reed in they ask him if he knows stacy sites he says no he never met her
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never spoke to her anything like that they run his dna again prove that it's his semen inside her body
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and then all of a sudden we're told this tale of a secret affair it's well and not only the semen but also
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the saliva yes and i always bring this up when people start arguing about this because they they
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claim that and this is heady stuff so i i apologize but they claim that the semen is there because of
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this consensual affair that they had been having however he was not the murderer and the semen was
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there because of a consensual sexual act that had taken place prior to the murder here's the problem
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with that his saliva is also found on the body her body which was raped and then strangled with the
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the belt that she wore half of the belt which is found in the car half the belt which is found in
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the body uh of stacy's sites where she was thrown in the woods and his saliva is found all over her
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dead body yes specifically on her chest yes on her chest and in you know to skip forward a few years
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they actually found more dna on her back brace and on her pants and more clothes yes what was not
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found on her body in any of these ways was her fiance's dna so like this weird idea that her fiance
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would have been able in 1997 to plant this dna that they couldn't really test for back in the day
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and remove his own is just an absurdity so like this is a guy who is guilty he has a pattern of
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behavior multiple different rapes including a 12 year old victim and that's that's the one that i was
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going to say it it it not only a 12 year old victim but also in one case a a mentally challenged
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woman um and so and and again his his semen was found in a 12 year old girl's rape kit yeah um this
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is someone who is a hardened horrific criminal a monster just a full-on monster and kim kardashian
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dr phil dr oz um the brother rodnick reed has gone on he's on the board of the death penalty alliance
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now um he's he's something of a mini celebrity in the anti-death penalty world and by the way i have
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no problem with people being activists against the death penalty that's fine but at the same time
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i have a problem with people lying i have a problem with people that are using false uh charges of
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racism in cases where it's just not it's absolutely not warranted and in addition by the way and this
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is a part you never hear and this will come up later the entire family of stacy sites her mother
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her sister she had a young daughter at the time uh all of them to a t all agree that rodney reed was
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the murderer they do not blame the fiance and he had legal troubles later yeah 10 years later 10 years
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later on a completely separate case um that has nothing to do with with something that happened
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10 years prior obviously and there's no evidence whatsoever of a secret affair sans this one and i
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will tell you that and and you have to knock every piece down they have so you know they have the the
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other clerk from the h-e-b that came forward you want to tell this oh yeah go ahead there's there's a
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woman who worked with stacy sites back in the day and to be clear h-e-b stepped up when stacy sites
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was murdered they offered a $50,000 reward in the 90s anyone with information in 1997 dollars which
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is not worth a lot today that's huge but in 1997 dollars i'll take 50 grand today yeah but uh we're
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gonna sell a lot of inflation you know but um so she didn't say anything she didn't say anything
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about it says not a word and concurrently then years later when she hears about it in the paper
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after it has kim kardashian's attention when kardashian's talking about it she she says that she had this
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most inhuman conversation ever that no two humans have ever had where she said she noticed her
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engagement ring of her very close friend asked her how she was feeling and she said she was upset
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because she was having an affair with a black man named rodney so wait the clerk says to her co-worker
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who by all accounts isn't any good friend or anything like this that oh by the way i'm having an affair
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yes with a with a black man and i i don't want anyone to know a black man named rodney specifically
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named rodney specifically it's all the key notes all the key yeah no that's very believable and the
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other one they have is the um the prison confession of of the fiancee which comes from a known informant
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i know a guy who has given false testimony in other cases and is a member of the aryan brotherhood
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and those jailhouse confessions again all these people come forward because what we find in other
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cases is they get flooded with donations to their commissary accounts they get their commissary
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that have bought into the innocence movement and this this is why we call this we're still going
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back and forth over what we should we should call these this umbrella of cases because it's so new but
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you know what was yours was innocence fraud innocence fraud i was thinking something like injustice
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project there's something there i don't know there's something there but let's let's go into the next
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case in terms of this because julius jones and this is what so i'll put a i'll put a pin on on rodney
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reed because he's lost all of his appeals at this point and it's gotten so bad for them the innocence
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project put out a white paper on me and basically on you too trying to refute some of these points that
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we're making and i pulled it out of one of their google drives that they had accidentally left not
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unprotected and kim kardashian doesn't even talk about him anymore it's gotten that oh and she
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blocked me on twitter yeah um because it got so bad but there's another case and that's the case of
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julius jones so and very briefly walk us through what's the julius jones case so the julius jones case
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is is a murder out of oklahoma again from around the 90s i forget the precise year but the way this
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worked is that jones and his friend chris west side jordan were a carjacking duo they spotted a
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suburban in a brahms parking lot in oklahoma that suburban belonged to a man named paul howe who took
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his kids out for school supplies and took his kids to go get ice cream which is what brahms is for
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he follows them home paul howe opens his car door jones open fires without saying a single word
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kills paul howe instantly with a gunshot to the head in front of his two daughters and in front of his
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sister they flee he fires upon them as they enter the house jones takes the suv on the daughters yes
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the daughters and the sister jones takes the suv crushes paul howe's legs as he backs off steals the
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suv and through the course of events it is determined that he is clearly and obviously the killer witness
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statements surveillance video uh all these other factors like the fact that he is no alibi and when
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he tries to produce one it's a bad alibi it's a slam dunk case it's obvious julius jones did it
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pattern of behavior you even catch a um i believe there's a there's a bandana in that case right
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that he was using to cover his face somewhat and then they they get the bandana they test again
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saliva they test the saliva who's saliva saliva is later what's interesting is that the the the sister
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who's megan toby is a costume designer so when she describes what he was wearing it's like to a t
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it's because she has an eye for that yeah so it's not only the bandana she describes but it's also
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the shirt with the black trim which is very distinct and it doesn't sound like that in the
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court transcripts i recommend you look at this so she describes that they find that when they search
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jones's home days later uh the bandana is wrapped around the gun and hidden in his room they find the
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shirt all the evidence that they would need they get his friend to turn state's evidence it's a slam
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dunk however they do a trick where they try to pin it on his associate who is the getaway driver rather
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than him and as you pointed out for a while they said the whole case hinged on dna right because
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whoever was wearing the bandana was clearly the shooter i remember now so they they they make this
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whole deal out of and this is this is kardashian and the innocence project these scam artists they
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say you got to test the bandana test the bandana check the dna it will prove we on a shot of it out
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that he was not the trigger man he was the getaway driver it was his friend and then his friend
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planted the shirt and the gun and the bandana everything else so tell us what pray tell what
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happened when they finally went back and tested that bandana so when they tested the bandana at
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a at a laboratory chosen by the innocence project they discovered this project that the the odds of
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another person not named julius jones contributing to this dna sample were 1 in 110 out of the african
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american male population now in 1999 when this crime took place there were only about 35 million
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african american males 110 million yeah 110 million african american males there were only 35 million
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african americans in the in the country at the time so it's him right and so for for folks and this is by
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the way and we should talk about that for a second because when people hear statistics like that they
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need to understand that's a dna match yeah and so this is the way dna matching is done it never comes
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down and says oh this person is you know this is this person's dna it comes down to it statistically
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must be this person because it could not match someone else it's it's the way that the nerds
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talk which doesn't help us because you know people can use that and exploit that like they have in this
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case so they say it cannot be excluded and then they give you odds so they're like oh well that's not
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a match that just means cannot be excluded but it's like look at the odds it's that means it's a match
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that's that's actually how you would describe it being a match and yet they will sit and but however
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let's go forward because what happened in that case well eventually jones who was sentenced to
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the death penalty got his sentence commuted by the governor based on a political campaign from
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actually both sides of the aisle yes that supported him and bought into this narrative that julius jones
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was the innocent and well it's not anything they bought into yeah because the innocence project and
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people associated with this were running around with bags of money and they were just showering
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people with donations and their associated organizations showering donations everywhere
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they could to put pressure from both sides of the aisle on the governor and in this case the governor of
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oklahoma governor stitt does end up buckling and and again by the way i have no problem if there is a
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serious question about the case and if you want to commute something if you have an issue with the death
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penalty etc because obviously we should not be using the death penalty lightly right however i have a
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huge problem with organizations like this running around and playing these racially and politically
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charged issues throwing them in into obviously we're in a highly charged political environment
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um and then using these woke justice points to try to win over uh criminal cases i think i think that's a
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crucial point because in these cases a lot of the pattern that we see are black people killing white
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people and then them trying to get them off with some kind of racism justification and for the jones
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case it's absurd on multiple fronts first and foremost jones chose to go into a majority white
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neighborhood and commit that crime but secondly the kardashian innocence project defense is that it was
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the other black guy right so they're still blaming a black guy yeah so they're like they're like oh
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it's systemic racism and all these biases lead into this when a white person is murdered in front of his
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children but also it's this other black guy like we're blaming the next closest black guy to the crime
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so the so that the reed case is done the june essentially uh the julius jones case is done
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she's got a spotify out now so tell me about the spotify and tell me about the story of kevin keith
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so kevin keith you know julius jones is a bad guy rodney reed is a bad guy but as far as we know
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they only killed one person right kevin keith is a mass murderer kevin keith was a drug dealer back
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in the 90s and essentially he got you know what happens to drug dealers a lot one of his friends
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sold him out so he decided on a faithful night that he was going to go over to the friend's home
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who sold him out he shows up that friend's not there his ex-girlfriend who's that friend's sister
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is there with two kids or actually three children and her boyfriend and some other people that were
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in the house so after waiting for a little while kevin keith decided that because he couldn't kill
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the person he was looking for to just try to kill every single person there so he pulls a gun out and
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he shoots each and every single one of them after ordering them to the ground this includes killing a
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four-year-old child wounding a four-year-old child and a six-year-old child and killing two other
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adults now the boyfriend i believe his name is richard warren ended up escaping the scene with
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critical injuries but keith fled then keith ended up trying to escape and he got his license plate
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caught in a snowbank he took off and then when these people woke up most of them immediately said
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it was kevin keith so so what what is what possible defense is she giving in this entire web of a
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of a spotify podcast that she's done because she's putting her entire brand on the line spotify by the
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way is fully behind this podcast spotify this is the heavily promoted constantly featured uh the
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kardashians are also by the way on disney yeah uh in addition they have a new deal with disney
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what what possibly could she be saying well it's it's it's there are absurd conspiracy theories that
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they go to and they do produce these are all conspiracy theories yes there's no evidence that
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backs up any of this but my favorite one is is that it was just somebody else for some other reason
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but the problem is is that warren the boyfriend who didn't know a lot about what her brother was doing
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one of the victim's brothers was doing the one who snitched on kevin keith said that kevin keith was
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said said that this was because your brother is a rat he snitched on me and we find out that his
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brother did turn state's evidence one month prior so part of what you have to buy into if you believe
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that which by the way that's why things like the witness protection program exists because of
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situations like this but but in order to buy into this theory that somebody else did it you would have
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to believe that somebody was just as mad that kevin keith got snitched on or coincidentally they knew
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about the indictment and they use this as their opportunity and by the way you have to ignore the
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fact that the children knew who kevin keith was and they say it's kevin keith as well as the children
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who survived yes you have three surviving people who were shot by kevin keith who say it was kevin keith
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the neighbor says it was kevin keith the license plate evidence in the snow says it was kevin keith
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there's also tire tread evidence that says it's kevin keith but don't worry about it kim kardashian
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thinks he's innocent and you know maybe racism was involved what's what's so concerning to me
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though is that you will get these people and i've said before this is why the the the true crime
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community is cancer um because they will they will have these highly produced pod i mean look we're
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recording this at america fest we've got people running around lauren chen's walking around behind
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us you know with her baby a beautiful baby and you know they've got bells and whistles and and sound
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effects and you know little snippets of interviews here but what they don't have is evidence and the
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truth on their side and so many people because of the heavy featuring and promotion of these episodes
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will just listen to that and by the way you know i put also some of these authors like john grisham
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who's been heavily involved in this he should know better he just should know better um there's a
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bunch of these guys that make their bones knowing uh writing about this stuff that and by the way john
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grisham i'm pretty sure john grisham he's come out and even and said that in some uh instances he's
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done uh stories that were based on true uh true cases from the south and you know he's walking around
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behind us here um where he switched the races yeah to give you a false impression of what was actually
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going on and yeah you know we're coming down to our last minute but but just give us a quick
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understanding of why is it so dangerous to go in with this i mean isn't it just all in good fun
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i i would say it's dangerous because one of the things that my friend devin tracy who's very into
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this topic says all the time is that the problem with the court of public opinion is that it's not a
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court anything goes he's the one saying that it was uh it's it's always the alliteration yes the
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illiterate julius jones roddy reed kevin keith yeah yeah they're all and kim kardashian yeah so
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he always he says that the problem with the court of public opinion is that it's not a court there are
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no rules and basically the person with the bigger bullhorn ends up winning so it's one thing to talk
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about these cases in terms of the facts what's admissible in a court of law where we have standards
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it's another thing to talk about this as a form of entertainment and inject mystery into it in order
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to make it more consumable and then people believe it and then they act on this right and
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that's what we're seeing and they and they sign these these petitions and they're at home drinking
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their their wine coolers and they're hanging out with their cats and then they'll go to their friends
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oh my gosh i heard this crazy podcast kim kardashian we have to save this guy i actually i'm not going
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to dime out who it was i actually had a friend who she texted me about the rodney reed and said
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oh my gosh jack she'd seen it on dr phil you have to come in you have to help this guy and i said
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fine i'll look into it so i start look i came into all of this thinking that rodney reed was
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innocent i look into the facts and i had to go back to her and said i'm sorry but i think you're
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wrong sean thank you so much for your time uh i appreciate you doing the ambush interview like
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this you know not quite james o'keefe ambush style but you know we'll get there um tell people where
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can they go to follow you and um and and just all your coordinates so first of all thank you for
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having me uh you can find me on youtube at actual justice warrior on twitter at i am sean 90 on
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instagram at actual justice and i have a website actualjusticewarrior.com where everything is
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also linked ladies and gentlemen as always you have my permission to lay ashore