EPISODE 357: EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH REP. MATT GAETZ AT AMFEST
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In this special edition of Human Events Daily, we're recording this as you can tell on the sidelines of ASU s annual convention in Phoenix, Arizona, with Rep. Jim Jordan (R-AZ) and Rep. Matt Gates (D-GA) as they discuss what it means to be a "Young Adult" in politics, what it takes to run for President, and what it's like to work for a political party in the 21st century.
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well ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard to a very special edition human events daily we're
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recording this as you can tell on the sidelines of america vest here in phoenix arizona i am here
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with congressman jim jordan oh no wait no you're not jim jordan are you better hair with the hair
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not as likely to be i should have realized i don't know no no this is matt gates isn't it right
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that's what i'm gosh producer angelo you told me it was jim jordan this isn't jim jordan at all
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what's going on here well because we prefer the like sec states over the big 10 states oh snap
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oh snap no we are here with um uh my favorite intelligence agent uh we're here with congressman
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matt gates congressman how you doing i'm good man it is always exciting to be here because you're
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seeing the future of the party and the movement and you're seeing very clearly what ideas get
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folks fired up to continue to participate i had i had a question just before we started this
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and someone said you know what what gives you hope you know what you know what causes you to not get
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you know the black pill how do you protect from the black pill and i said look around you're
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surrounded by a sea of white pills right now and no that's not a uh oh wow welcome to the last edition
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of human events we're both canceled right um but it's no it's hopeful right so it's hope versus
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despair and this idea that you look at these events they're just getting bigger and bigger
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the crowd and it's it's something that that charlie was driving for and then bringing me but also
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bringing steve bannon here this year um having the war room in you you realize that typically turning
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point had this i guess reputation it was for kids right it was the student events but this is not a
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student event this is really an all-ages thing and i think they met their mark well and we have to
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leverage the skill stack of young people who are able to do things in our politics now that yes
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frankly the boomer class of the congressional gerontocracy can't you know i mean right now
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political communication is driven in the digital space it's not the drive town to town anymore it's
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being able to have viral moments and effective digital products and you know for a lot of these digital
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natives uh it is exciting to see how those how those issues like interface with our tools do you
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know anything about viral moments by any chance are you familiar with you know i don't always know when
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they happen uh but they do send to follow me well no it's it's it's exactly right and i i feel like
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with the exception of yourself and a few people out there it's sort of the aoc question that they
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don't that when she's up there we might be laughing and saying oh she said something silly and and and
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and people on the right are laughing but guess what everyone on her side they clip that and they package
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that and they polish it and they only send the best part out to her side my favorite trick that they do
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by the way it's not just for her they do everyone should they'll edit an interaction one of these
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hearings where it's they'll have her saying something will cut off completely the response
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and then they'll play it aoc owns you know border security whatever and they don't even give the fact
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that he will respond to debunk every single thing she said but you know what in politics does that
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really matter yeah i mean the new paradigm is from the left is to manipulate what you are seeing so that
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it changes the way you think and behave and they now have a willing partner in the fbi and doing
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just that so like you can't really blame aoc and her handlers for trying to like recreate reality in
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the digital world when our own government sees the value hate the game don't hate the player yeah i i
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reckon so and look she's running for president i mean she's getting ready to run for president in
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2024 she believes she but it'll be an interesting question regarding her age and whether or not she's
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eligible eligible i don't think she'll be eligible at the time that she'll be getting votes but by
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the time she would be sworn in she would be of requisite age and so yeah i think that she uh she
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would have an opportunity then uh to at least make a constitutional argument for her candidacy but
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she's getting ready for it hey i'm all for it let's see more the merrier please please bring it on
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bring on the aoc camp presidency presidential camp i mean you saw this by the way with like uh tulsa
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gabbard you know ran for president andrew yang uh uh pete budigets right pete budigets goes from being
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the mayor of from indiana and now he's secretary well occasionally he's the secretary of transportation
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you know when you know when he finds time right no i i think that it has become a platform and what's
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interesting is that there is somewhat of an i think a lack of understanding as to how this will go
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because even if trump has 30 40 of the vote a lot of those early primary states are winner take all
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right the delegates so by the time a field would coalesce around a trump alternative he's gonna
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have such a delegate lead i think his path to nomination will be pretty clear i know we're not
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allowed to advocate on this show we're not we're just analyzing we're analyzing but let's let's talk
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about some stuff that's happened a little bit closer to uh to to market here because we've got
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speaker race you've been outspoken uh we've also got the rnc race which i think everyone was kind
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of sleeping on the rnc race and now all of a sudden harmy dylan gets in she's here you know at the event
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working meeting the grassroots um say what you want about ronna and by the way like i don't have
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anything against her personally i really don't think most people do but i don't see her coming to
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the events and meeting people like i would see a harmy dylan do i just don't see it no ronna mcdaniel
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is not a leader of a major political party she is a chauffeur for donors and that has allowed her
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to maintain the position for a requisite period of time but we haven't exactly been winning where we
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should be winning in all of those cases and whether it's the rnc chair or mitch mcconnell
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or the speakership like politics is pretty unique isn't it in sports if the coach loses the games
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they're supposed to win he's out he's gone in business if the ceo misses projected earnings the
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board replaces them you look at disney they just had a huge great example basically two regime
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changes so they got rid of uh let's say it's great yeah um and then and then they had what chopra
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came in and then he gets bounced out and then the other guy comes back in because and he actually
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gave an interview alluding to the you don't usually hear that in the corporate world where
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he basically called it you know it was the cfo and the ceo the new ceo just forced him out
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had no plan went fully woke ran the company into the ground and you saw declining sales in with all
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the properties across the board and then they finally get rid of the guy now i'm going to point
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out like but at least that's accountability but it's right some kind of accountability whereas in
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this room if you put ronna mcdaniel or mitch mcconnell or kevin mccarthy on that stage they'd get
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booed off of it that's the bottom line they would i could see that and so when you have leaders in
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that being said though i could also point out that if ronna mcdaniel were walking around here
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i don't think people would recognize it i really don't think and and that is because she views the
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role of the party to facilitate contracts with vendors and donations from donors and like if ronna
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mcdaniel had spent the money she spent promoting her podcast on enhancing the skill stack of our
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activist she has a podcast she does actually rnc donors because i had no idea that she had a
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podcast until you just said that it is quite something and i and i i'm in the podcast space
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i'm looking at the charts well yeah yeah you don't know that she has one because she's nowhere near
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where you are on the charts and it's but even still i i keep an eye on who runs podcasts i had no
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idea she was doing podcasts this is the problem they are focused exclusively on why people vote and they
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are ignoring how voting occurs yes and we need to do so much more to have real-time quick reaction
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responses we're getting we're getting photobombed over here oh what's up lauren bober the most
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beautiful photobomb outside of tanya tay yes congresswoman bobert and my wife brick suit
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terrific he is he is looking good these days isn't brick's here the brick's here aren't you
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come here come here so they can see it no wait stand right here so you're on camera
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he's looking good isn't he looking good i i i like the hat i like the cash look if we didn't
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plan this folks we literally did not that's what we're talking about but but on the harmy
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dilhan point don't we need people with keen legal skills for the battle we are facing right now
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when i okay i'll watch and i'm not going to name names i'm not going to talk about sean
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hannity like that but when i hear people complain about mark elias oh it's terrible what he's doing
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is so bad but it's awful it's it's ridiculous i look at that and maybe it's because i have a
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military background but when i see the adversary come up with a new capability then my mind it
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doesn't go to oh i should complain about the capability it's okay how do we defeat that how
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do we maintain one of our own how do we counter it and i don't hear a lot of that from most of the
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mainstream pundits well i have so many activists come up to me to say you know what give me a territory
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where i can go and hunt down ballots when they have not been returned give me the church group
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to go to on wednesday night to drive that bus during early voting and the rnc doesn't function
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as a way to really bring those operational forces together and to put them into the battle we are
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actually in think about how the left does this they vertically integrate their election strategy
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like they know in maricopa county who the duty judge is going to be when you go file your
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injunction because they set that stuff up in advance meanwhile we complain that people are
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going to steal elections from us we watch like kind of crazy bizarre things happen on election
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day like voting machines not working and then afterwards we act like these lawsuits are going
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to save us gosh darn they did it again yeah but they aren't going to you have to catch them
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in the act yes and i am here to try to really proliferate some of the ideas we used in florida
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to fix this because i remember when we were the laughingstock of the country in florida
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yeah we we got paper ballots so paper ballots but then the key is real-time transparency on how many
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votes have been cast in florida you can go to the website and see every eight minutes how many votes
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have been cast at every precinct through every methodology and what party affiliation has been
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reflected in the casting of those ballots now is this also because and i hear richard barris talk about
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this a lot there's there was a new law that was passed for deadlines so that you actually impose
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and enforce deadlines on all of these counties on all regardless of what party runs the county etc
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that they all have to meet these deadlines yes that's why i see it's as gigantic as florida
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we know the answer in minutes well and because there are real-time remedies you see in arizona the theory
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that we're going to wait until weeks after election day has passed and then somehow go file some silver
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bullet lawsuit i think is inaccurate and it does not comport with what we've seen in the jurisprudence
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it's also to your point before and really the overarching frame maybe 30 years ago 40 years ago
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that would have made sense um you hear people talk about you know civil war era elections and things like
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that it just hasn't been like that in a long time well no and in florida when those deadlines are
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blown when transparency requirements aren't being met you can walk into the judge that day and seek
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redress to put a local supervisor of elections office into receivership wow that day where you
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don't have to have any messing around you also need people with guts who will fire the folks who don't
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run clean elections like we hold the governorship in georgia and yet they allow in fulton county a system
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that is unlike anywhere else in the state regarding how the ballots are handled what the chain of custody is
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and we have to have the courage to be called every bad name under the book but to demand
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actual compliance with the law and here's on on that note by the way they're gonna say it anyway
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when when mitch mcconnell stood there and met with it was i believe it was the families of the
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capitol police that and they were handing out those medals and they refused to shake his hand it it dude
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you can throw them all under the bus you can say i disavow i condemn in the strongest terms possible
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this rhetoric and this person and condemn that person and condemn whoever you want they're still
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going to put all conservatives in that bucket they're just going to do it and to the point where
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i'm handing you a medal and you won't even shake somebody's hand just a basic act of respect that i've
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met dirtbag left-wing you know quote-unquote journalists and i'll shake their hand i'll at least be polite
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because you know from public whatever and they will not do that so all right if that's the system
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that's the system but you've just cut to the principal discussion that we are having at this
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conference do we need to realize we've won the debate regarding what policies are going to improve
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quality of life for people on the border with spending policy we've won the debate but people
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don't hear us because big tech blocks us so we have to take strong action there because elections
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have lower confidence levels than ever before because we see these irregularities that seem to
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never really get explained and so i think we need to fight a lot tougher i don't think we need to
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moderate the message well and and and that kind of gets it cuts into all of these races that we're
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talking about and all these positions within the party whether it's speaker whether it's rnc
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you need somebody that's actually going to be on the field of battle and looking at it that way
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the whole i mean we all hear those stories about tip o'neill and reagan going to get a drink or
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whatever um daschle back in the day but that's been gone for a long time and you're you're on the
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hill every day i mean there's some there's some stuff you know that's that's that's cross aisle but
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it's it's few and far between it really is well and look there are opportunities for the populist
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right and the populist left to work together true against the corrupt establishment and i am willing
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to engage in those discussions even if some on the left aren't willing to engage here the squad
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when i see aoc and she came out and ilhan omar and to leave and all of them where they will talk
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all day long about selling weapons overseas and they'll talk about saudi arabia they'll talk about
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yemen they'll talk about israel they'll talk about every country on the sun but when it comes to ukraine
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where are they i mean they've become the nato where are they right i mean it was amazing to watch
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the squad go from believing that the military was racist to them supporting global military
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and it was like i thought that was one spot where i could see like i remember i think i tweeted this
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at one point and i'm like i could see a congressman matt gates and a congresswoman aoc uniting over this
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because they were they were putting out all this all this talk all this rhetoric talking all this
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smack that they're pro america against the military industrial complex um ilhan omar every once in a
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while we'll have like a good tweet kind of in that in that vein but when it comes to the votes it ain't
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there well it'll be interesting to see when they move to the minority will we actually get some
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cooperation out of the populist left on foreign policy because in the majority they just sort of
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stuck together for the sake of sticking together okay and i think that they sell sold out their own
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values so they may have a renaissance which well which led to aoc having her a little uh the little
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town hall uh moments that she had where i mean i forget who the guy it was like some larouche guys
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or something but they were running in screaming about you're putting us into nuclear war aoc you
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sold us out you were you know you and then she's up there can hey essay come on all of a sudden you
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know uh that code switching they call that code switching by the way um i'm from philly so we can do
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that um but it it's like no they're actually making a good point but you you promised a lot
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of things and you didn't hold up on that whereas i can think i can remember because i have pretty
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good memory for this stuff all of the stuff that you've promised people who you're not going to take
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money from stances you'll take on military spending stances you'll take on expanding ndas etc etc
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and i've always seen you vote those ways well look i think that what is the binder for the
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corruption in washington is the lobbyist in special interest money yeah you know and like it it's
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almost so obvious that you don't have to say it but like when these members go take hundreds of
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thousands of dollars millions of dollars from these special interests and then look their
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constituents in the eye and say that it does not affect how they vote they're being dishonest and it
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happens on both sides and i don't take any money from any lobbyists or any federal packs because i don't
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want my constituents to wonder if that's actually who i work for and you know that movement has been
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embraced by mtg it's been embraced by ted cruz i think you may see some of the new members try to
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liberate themselves from lobbyists and special interest money and if we do that maybe we won't need
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500 million dollars to go and underperform in a midterm if our ideas are better if we don't sell out
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but you know what all these people want to go vote for kevin mccarthy for speaker their leading
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argument is well look at all the money he raises for us and maybe that like argument worked in the
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90s or the early 2000s but i don't think selling shares of yourself to k street is some ultimate
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qualifier for the speakership if anything it ought to be a disqualifier for it because the moment he
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were to get a hold of that gavel he'd be looking to fulfill the commitments that he made to the donors
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not to the representatives and certainly not to the voters who see through his grift when it comes to
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the question and this this is big for me and and i i've i've every time i get asked you know by
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anybody when i get one of those phone calls and they say what is she do you care about pozo what's
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the main thing you you know when you're catholic is it pro-life um where is it marriage questions and
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i said look the way i look at this stuff is there there's all the issues that i care about personally
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that are that make me want to made me want to get into the game or whatever but if i can't speak
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about those issues then it don't matter and so i said i just need tech and and i'll say look i
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appreciate elon muster everything that he's done but at the same time there's a part of me that says
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well aren't i don't i still just exist at the whim of a billionaire right that that's why i have not
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like celebrated the elon thing as if it's caesar returning from gaul yeah because we should not have
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a system that relies didn't work out great for season right but it it may it may not work out
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great for elon by the end of it i mean we see the regime definitely turning against him with every
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tool that they have and that's going to continue but like we should not rely on the whims of
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billionaires to be able to vindicate the values that are essential to american discourse and the
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preservation of the republic and if we do rely on that the left will win more than we do
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and everyone's like this is this is like a an anomaly right this is not usually the way these
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things go and it's great but you talked about the issue matrix and i'm going to put you on the spot
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because right now we are having these real-time deliberations in the house judiciary committee
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what is your first hearing who are your first witness panels and with what's going on on the border
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right now in title 42 and the tens of thousands that are invading there are a lot of people really
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wanting to get that uh border argument front and center but i almost think maybe the first witness
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should be elon maybe the first witness should be elon elon elon with documents elon with a huge stack
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of like slack messages and emails and i mean when you i'm just gonna say it when you check the box
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to sign into twitter and it says specifically anything you post on this anything you post on this
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site any communication uh that you give up your rights to be able to see that includes dms
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so elon musk actually purchased the dms of every journalist that has a twitter account and no i'm not
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saying that you know the new congress should go and subpoena any of that but what i am pointing out
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is that we have to look at twitter and i've said that steve and i are going back and forth over who said
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this first about twitter being a crime scene but the amount of and i think again i always think of
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this stuff as an intel officer what's the collection ability to us that elon you open that door and all
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of a sudden if i can think of all right let's actually talk about the operations that were being
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run on twitter let's see who was telling these journalists to print the you know a story about
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russia gay or plan a story about matt gates a plan a story about jack whoever um let's look at all
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these things that may have affected elections i remember when jake tapper told the new york post
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to delete their tweets yes about the hunter biden laptop who was he talking to in that time period
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was there anyone that suggested that to him do they have ties to foreign governments do they have
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ties to the intel committee i'd love to know that right well and there'll be pattern recognition in
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that exercise yes because it ain't just going on at twitter they're pulling the same at google
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it's all over and when there is a york that every single one of these organizations you want to
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talk about a guy that was just a patsy this is i mean he'd be the first guy at target come on
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well and and you will see things manifest at meta at google amazon other places that we're going to
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discover through the twitter investigations because one thing we know about the national security state
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they're not creative enough to run different ops into those no so the fbi they finished their twitter
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video or they're doing a zoom call with twitter they hang that up and then they call facebook
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and then they call google and then they call amazon and then they call the whoever right
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well elvis chan yes did not think of this on his own at the fbi you know he was the fbi point of
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contact for a lot of these twitter meetings but we're going to find out from elvis chan who placed
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the order who made the call that this was now a national strategy to try to fuse big government big
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media and big tech against the american people which and i've got to say it that you know again
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not advocating but when when president trump came out and gave that policy speech last week
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again policy talking about defunding the entire i call it the disinformation archipelago any organization
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that receives federal funding any organization that which includes by the way stanford harvard all these
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universities that has any tie whatsoever to the censorship of freedom of speech or any government
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agency that's involved in it i i thought it was pitch perfect i really thought it was the best
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speech and you know people were complaining about the nft thing etc because it came out on the same
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day but if you actually just go back and watch that speech i don't think i've heard anyone at that level
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talk like you know like it was basically one of like something i would say yeah and i don't think
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that the american people realize that they are funding this offense against themselves yeah and that's
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what president trump exposed and the one thing we've always got to give to president trump he
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causes people to expose themselves that's right and it might be as great a superpower it's it's it's
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right left center whatever he reveals you and then he always people say he's a counter puncher and
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that's true but he always kind of gets his his opponents to like blow themselves off yes and then
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they he drives them nuts then they implode and then he wins kind of by default because so another big
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debate and i know i'm interviewing you now but another big debate that we're having in dealing
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with big tech is do you treat them a lot like the tobacco companies where you like strip their
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defenses and send the trial lawyers after them do you treat them like public utilities and regulate
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them or do you just break them up i mean like we did bell south some say you have to totally like
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if you have not forced meta to break up if you have not forced google to get out of both the email
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search business you have not right so here's i i mean it it if you break them up it just it just
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shifts the problem into one big problem into a bunch of little problems i don't think it actually
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solves the the case it doesn't get you where you need to go um that being i mean what did they say
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about you know if thousands of tyrants nearby instead of one time right far away right ocean away
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yeah in in china they say uh uh the the the mountain is high and the and beijing is far away
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um but it's it's also the idea of it's a because we have to fundamentally look at these as different
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than we would look at any other they're not so would you regulate them like public utilities that's
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that's what i'd lean towards um but because it reminds me of the railroad argument that there
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weren't there was nothing like a railroad before there were railroads and so we had to come up with
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the new way of thinking uh in terms of how these things operated when i look at this i think about
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my kid right i think about my four-year-old he will there will be no fundamental four-year-old gets a
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lot of play on human events i know right but but but think about it right because because i think
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about him and then i pop it out and then and this will we'll end on this but he will have no
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fundamental difference in in his life between picking up the phone and calling someone versus hitting
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up somebody on on you know social media versus facetiming somebody to him it's all the same
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thing to him it's all the exact same thing and it's it is communication and so whether that fits
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the framework of public utility the way we think about it should be the way that we think about
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interactive communications i'd break them off we'll have to have another episode that we devote to this
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i don't think it's either it has to be one you know one or the other either yeah i i just don't
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think that the section 230 reform is sufficient it may be necessary but not sufficient because uh look
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you need a full-on declaration right right well a doctrine really a doctrine about about you know
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whether or not cancellation from the digital world is just going to be something that we leave to the
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terms of service and i think i think you do that in terms of digital bill of rights you do that in
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terms of data portability data portability your data i should own my data if my digital footprint
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i should own the rights to that the same way that i own the rights to my own likeness to my own self
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everything else well they call kevin mccarthy big tech's best friend so if i can stop him from being
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speaker maybe we can uh debate these issues oh kevin uh-oh fire words over here all right i think
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that's just about all the time we have congressman gates thank you so much appreciate it almost called
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congressman jordan again but i figured i'd give him a cap oh hey you know i'm the robin to jordan's
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batman the robin jordan's batman okay all right not asian gary though right no i've seen the meme
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thank you very much ladies and gentlemen as always you have my permission to lay a short