Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 359： THE WAR ON CHRISTIANITY WITH DR. TAYLOR MARSHALL

00:00:00.000 We're back here, Human Events Daily, part of our AmericaFest series.

00:00:14.440 Dr. Taylor Marshall joining us once again.

00:00:16.740 This is part two of our discussion, War on Christianity.

00:00:20.660 By the way, not the first time that I've interviewed you on the question of a war against Christianity, is it?

00:00:25.500 We talked about the War on Christianity and President Donald Trump picked it up.

00:00:29.860 Picked it up, tweeted it, tweeted our show, tweeted our show.

00:00:33.240 So it was pretty awesome.

00:00:34.200 And now his tweet about you and our show has been restored.

00:00:38.740 So we have to make sure we can go back to that because, hey, whenever you want to sell books, you got to, you need to, yeah, that's good.

00:00:44.480 That's a good tweet to have.

00:00:45.300 But we're recording this just before Christmas.

00:00:48.780 This is going to air during the Christmas break.

00:00:50.560 But Dr. Marshall, there's something that comes up every year.

00:00:54.840 And I fight back against it so hard on social media because I think that the War on Christianity also created this meme, this narrative of a war on Christmas.

00:01:07.140 And the thing that they always throw on Christmas that is very subversive, and I think it's part of the war on Christmas, and I don't want to go full Bill O'Reilly, but it's this idea that, well, you know, Christmas is really just a pagan holiday.

00:01:20.140 And it's based on Saturnalia and Sol Invictus and the Cult of the Sun and the Winter Solstice.

00:01:26.280 And isn't that really what Christmas is all about?

00:01:28.780 And so a two-parter, well, let's start with this.

00:01:32.160 Is that true?

00:01:33.260 Was Christmas ever a pagan Roman holiday?

00:01:37.440 Well, I mean, the interesting thing is they'll say, well, Constantine was trying to promote a Sun cult.

00:01:42.400 And so he tried to co-opt Christianity and put the birth of Jesus to the Sun. 0.86

00:01:46.880 But there were Christians celebrating the birth of Jesus on December 25th before Constantine.

00:01:52.960 That's right.

00:01:53.640 And also, if Constantine's trying to promote a cult of the Sun, he's the emperor.

00:01:57.920 He doesn't have to, like, sneak it in with the Christianity, which was a persecuted minority religion.

00:02:03.700 Right.

00:02:03.840 They never answer the question of if you are evangelizing a new religion and the government, right, the empire, is slaughtering your people, why would you want to copy the people who were killing you?

00:02:16.940 Exactly.

00:02:17.460 It doesn't exactly bode well for the brochure.

00:02:22.520 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:23.320 I mean, a lot of those points just don't line up and make sense.

00:02:26.000 And if you look at the gospel narrative in Luke, you look at the Day of Atonement, the birth of John the Baptist, the weather patterns, all the details that we have historically, a winter birth for Jesus Christ makes the most sense.

00:02:39.240 Yes.

00:02:39.480 It meets all the facts.

00:02:40.600 I have a video on YouTube.

00:02:41.840 Was Jesus born on December 25th?

00:02:43.800 Yes, most likely.

00:02:44.820 Check it out.

00:02:45.260 All those facts line up.

00:02:47.820 So, historically, pre-Constantine, biblically, December birth.

00:02:52.280 And when we say pre-Constantine, folks need to know, we're talking a history of over 1,700 years.

00:02:59.960 Yes.

00:03:00.400 That Christians have been celebrating December 25th as the birth of Christ.

00:03:04.100 That's a pretty strong tradition.

00:03:08.380 And yet, the pop culture aficionados, the, you know, pop history blogs, every year, oh, Christmas was based on a pagan thing and it's not real.

00:03:19.460 Why do they push that so hard?

00:03:22.300 Well, ultimately, they know Christmas is a, it's one of the top three Christian holidays.

00:03:27.860 So, it's, it's permeator of culture.

00:03:31.920 And it's the top, it's the top cultural holiday too.

00:03:34.240 It is.

00:03:34.480 In America.

00:03:34.940 And so, it's got to be happy holidays, happy Hanukkah, happy Kwanzaa, happy everything.

00:03:40.940 You say Christmas, you say the word Christ, you say the word mass, that's not acceptable.

00:03:45.720 It has to be pushed out.

00:03:47.520 And so, they're going to attack the foundation of it.

00:03:49.580 Oh, it was pagan.

00:03:50.940 Oh, it's not really the birth of Jesus.

00:03:53.100 And it's based on Sol Invictus.

00:03:55.920 And it's just gift giving, you know.

00:03:57.860 And it's all these other holidays.

00:03:59.900 It's season's greetings.

00:04:00.980 I mean, there's four seasons.

00:04:02.240 Why is it season's greetings?

00:04:03.320 It doesn't make any sense.

00:04:04.180 That's pretty good.

00:04:04.820 I mean, season's greetings.

00:04:06.900 So, yeah, it's an attack on Christianity. 0.91

00:04:09.460 And basically, they just want to mute the Christ out of Christmas.

00:04:14.740 And I think that's big.

00:04:17.620 And the people need to understand that there's a difference between sort of this idea of going through the motions of the secular holiday and actually understanding the truth behind what it is that we are celebrating.

00:04:33.400 This transformative, almost extra-dimensional kind of mystic, spiritual, supernatural, obviously supernatural event.

00:04:48.300 And they say, well, you can't explain that.

00:04:49.660 You know, for a woman to be pregnant, she has certain things must occur. 0.53

00:04:53.220 And why would we ever believe this?

00:04:54.740 And we say, no, we know.

00:04:55.820 Right?

00:04:55.940 That's the point.

00:04:57.000 Right?

00:04:57.120 We're aware.

00:04:57.940 How could a virgin birth ever occur?

00:04:59.700 Right.

00:05:00.520 As Catholics and really Christians at large, speak of a virgin birth.

00:05:05.460 We know.

00:05:06.440 Think about that.

00:05:07.300 It is impossible.

00:05:09.280 It is impossible.

00:05:10.580 And that's the point.

00:05:11.740 Yeah.

00:05:11.880 It's a sign, Isaiah 7, 14.

00:05:14.360 A virgin shall bear a child. 0.99

00:05:16.560 Yes.

00:05:17.140 And you think about it.

00:05:17.980 You talk about the mystical and the supernatural.

00:05:20.260 You think about Christmas and the incarnation of Christ.

00:05:23.360 That is literally, literally the portal in the space-time continuing between heaven and eternity and our created reality here on earth in a town that's a tiny town, Bethlehem, which means house of bread.

00:05:38.720 I mean, that is the connection, the apex, the climax of history where God enters into the space-time continuum through a virgin.

00:05:50.800 Yes.

00:05:51.240 It's completely profound.

00:05:53.240 It's completely miraculous.

00:05:55.300 I mean, trying to water it down into something natural doesn't make any sense.

00:05:58.180 We actually visited, and for folks who watched our Holy Land special, they saw that we actually visited the Church of the Annunciation in Nazareth.

00:06:09.160 And they have there, in Latin everywhere, here the word was made flesh.

00:06:13.700 Yes.

00:06:13.800 Verbum caro factum est.

00:06:15.480 Hick.

00:06:15.780 Here.

00:06:16.100 Hick.

00:06:16.800 Here.

00:06:17.640 Right here.

00:06:18.300 Here.

00:06:18.700 This was the spot.

00:06:19.620 It's not a myth.

00:06:20.240 The source of the grotto.

00:06:20.560 It's a historical fact in a place.

00:06:23.620 And they will do anything.

00:06:24.840 The enemies of the Church will do anything to chip away at that, and they've been trying this for 2,000 years, to deny it, to deny your faith, to make you think, well, it's a cultural practice.

00:06:39.380 It's a tradition.

00:06:40.980 It's a fun myth.

00:06:42.220 It's a legend.

00:06:42.920 It's a myth to share.

00:06:44.400 And a lot of this goes back, by the way, and I don't want to switch gears in a second, but all of this goes back, and we talked about this in the Halloween special we had you on, by the way.

00:06:52.080 Great numbers on that.

00:06:53.020 Yeah, that was great.

00:06:53.680 Otherwise, I wouldn't have invited you back.

00:06:55.020 Oh, no.

00:06:55.900 And they want you to go into this comparative politics history, which was a school of thought that came up.

00:07:08.500 We talk about Marcuse, we talk about the cultural Marxist, the rise of Gramsci, and some of these others, but comparative religion also came up at the same time, and it was part of the school of thought of Darwin, where this new evolutionary view of everything.

00:07:26.340 And so if nature was evolutionary, then religion must have been evolutionary.

00:07:30.440 And so, you know, the Christians are basing it on the Jews, the Jews are basing it on the Babylonians, the Babylonians are basing it on the Syrians, and it goes back to Gilgamesh, and it's all just, you know, a bunch of rehashing and adding things out. 0.69

00:07:42.400 That's all it is.

00:07:43.220 When, if you actually look, and by the way, at discoveries that we now have, historical and archaeological discoveries that we've seen now, that's not the case whatsoever, because in the ancient world, there were religions upon religions, gods upon gods.

00:07:56.980 The one thing they wouldn't find, by the way, is atheists, that's why atheists aren't mentioned in the Bible, because they didn't exist.

00:08:02.800 But the idea that you would build off of something, it actually doesn't make any sense if you understand the history of the era.

00:08:10.260 But I want to ask you, while I have you on for the show, another tack on the war on Christianity, because we talk a lot about the war on Christianity from within society.

00:08:24.000 I think most people get that. I think a lot of people see it. They understand there's only one religion that you're allowed to mock, that you're allowed to ridicule.

00:08:31.220 There's only one holy family or holy figure that you're allowed to mock and ridicule.

00:08:36.520 But, and it might be a controversial question, but have elements of this war on Christianity found their way into the church itself?

00:08:48.360 Yes. When you think about the origin of the universe, God created angels, and we believe that a third of those angels rebelled, they fell, and they became demons.

00:09:00.460 Right.

00:09:00.640 Right? They once were good, they became bad.

00:09:02.940 And so if you think about, like, if you were a rebellious angel with a magnificent intellect, where would you want to be?

00:09:11.280 Would you want to be on the outside of the church, or would you want to be in the intimate thoughts and hearts of the people trying to serve God?

00:09:20.740 This is a screw tape letters.

00:09:22.580 Exactly. Screw tape letters.

00:09:23.780 You would want to be at ground zero of the most important spiritual decisions, the most important saintly people.

00:09:32.320 You would want to be there.

00:09:33.440 And you look at, like, the life of Christ, one of the 12, Judas Iscariot, betrayed him.

00:09:39.100 It was an inside job, and ever since then, it's almost always been an inside job.

00:09:44.680 And so I think the war on Christianity, yes, we have attacks on the outside, like Napoleon Bonaparte and whatnot,

00:09:50.060 but the most insidious, the most powerful are the attacks on the inside of the church.

00:09:57.200 These are the Judas Iscariot attackers of the church. 0.97

00:09:59.840 And I'm actually going to put you on the spot here because there is a theory and there are rumors regarding the third secret of Fatima that,

00:10:11.600 and I know you write about this in your book, Infiltration, that there is a very good chance that the reason that the third secret of Fatima was not revealed on schedule,

00:10:20.560 and that what did eventually come out was some watered down, mamby-pamby thing,

00:10:26.420 was that, in fact, the third secret of Fatima may be referring to infiltration of the church.

00:10:32.460 Yeah.

00:10:32.620 So in 1917, there was this beautiful apparition of these three peasant children in Portugal,

00:10:37.860 and there's a series of three secrets, messages for the world, and the third was a big one.

00:10:44.000 And it was supposed to be released in 1960.

00:10:46.980 That's right.

00:10:47.960 And the whole world, the New York Times was reporting on this, a front page, the release of the third secret,

00:10:54.420 and in 1960, Pope John XXIII said, I'm not releasing it, even though it was supposed to be released.

00:10:59.480 He said, it's not for our time, and it was put in a drawer and locked up.

00:11:04.360 And people have wondered—

00:11:05.700 Just before Vatican II.

00:11:06.700 Just before Vatican II, just before the changes in liturgy, changes in sacraments,

00:11:11.080 all kinds of revolutionary things in the monasteries and the convents and the seminaries all over the world.

00:11:17.920 And that seems to point—I mean, even if you didn't know about the third secret of Fatima,

00:11:23.200 you can kind of look at the trajectory from the 1960s, like we have been circling the drain.

00:11:28.920 There's been a downward spiral since the 1960s.

00:11:33.200 Baptisms, marriages, ordinations, just pick a demographic, they all went down.

00:11:38.340 The only one that went up was annulments.

00:11:40.400 Wow.

00:11:40.960 Everything else is down.

00:11:42.160 Wow.

00:11:42.960 And that idea of an infiltration of the church, what are some of the things that we could potentially look to, 0.89

00:11:52.020 if that indeed were the theory of the case, what are outward signs that we could potentially look to in order to see that?

00:11:59.780 And look, I'm just going to say it.

00:12:01.480 You know, there are—for a lot of older Catholics, for a lot of older members of the church,

00:12:06.940 there is a—or was, I should say, a belief that you should never, ever criticize the Pope.

00:12:15.860 Never criticize—and for folks who are listening that aren't Catholic,

00:12:20.620 you just have to understand that there was a reverence.

00:12:23.540 There was.

00:12:23.860 An esteemed reverence for the Pope.

00:12:26.380 And by the way, and I will always say this, you must respect the office.

00:12:29.800 You absolutely must respect the chair.

00:12:32.060 But that being said, this current occupant and the way that—look, Catholics have had bad popes in history, right? 1.00

00:12:40.720 Right.

00:12:41.140 Obviously, we're humans.

00:12:43.700 Yes.

00:12:45.080 But obviously that doesn't negate the history of the church, but also there are things this man says,

00:12:52.780 there are actions that he takes that will cause even the most fervent believer in the Pope great pause.

00:13:01.620 Yes.

00:13:02.060 Yeah, I honestly think that the pontificate of Pope Francis, who's the current Pope,

00:13:07.740 is problematic for a lot of people because they see things that are aligned with the EU, the UN,

00:13:14.940 the World Economic Forum,

00:13:15.800 Green Theology, World Economic Forum, Davos, Liberation Theology.

00:13:20.740 I mean, just the evils of our time in the globalist movement.

00:13:25.660 We could talk about medical treatments as well.

00:13:28.120 All that stuff he's involved in either directly or has appointed people to be directly in it.

00:13:34.140 And then you also just look at, for example, ex-Cardinal McCarrick.

00:13:37.840 He was the Cardinal Archbishop of D.C., the most important cleric in America, and he was a child molester, and he was an embezzler, and he was enabled by the Vatican. 0.57

00:13:47.460 So that right there is just explicit testimony that there's something rotten, there's something cancerous in the Vatican.

00:13:55.540 And you can be a Catholic and admit that.

00:13:59.760 It doesn't undermine our faith.

00:14:01.880 There are bad clergy, bad popes, because it kind of goes back to the whole idea of Judas.

00:14:06.620 I mean, in the inner circle, you can have betrayal.

00:14:09.260 Even Christ had an infiltrator.

00:14:10.840 The way I always put it, too, as well, is that when I see corruption in my government, when I see corruption in my country, I want to resolve that.

00:14:21.320 I want to hold those people accountable.

00:14:23.680 It doesn't make me tear up the American flag.

00:14:25.960 It doesn't make me tear up my passport, my citizenship.

00:14:28.160 I love my country.

00:14:29.120 That's right.

00:14:29.360 It doesn't change the fact that my country was founded by George Washington and some of the greatest humans to ever live.

00:14:35.800 And I do believe this country was anointed and that God was present in the founding.

00:14:39.400 I just believe that.

00:14:40.780 And at the same time, that doesn't negate me wanting to speak out against Joe Biden or Barack Obama or any politician.

00:14:50.100 Yeah.

00:14:51.300 Even people in my family aren't Catholic, but like, look at everything going on in the church.

00:14:54.540 How could you love the church?

00:14:55.700 I was like, well, do you love America?

00:14:57.260 Yeah.

00:14:57.660 I'm like, yeah, I love America.

00:14:58.720 I was like, so you love Joe Biden and everything he does?

00:15:01.040 Well, no.

00:15:02.160 Because you have to realize the leadership and everything that the leadership does does not correspond to the people, the patrimony, and the legacy of what a nation is.

00:15:12.340 Well, I think for a lot of people, and some folks don't understand the backstory, we had an issue that just came up.

00:15:18.940 Father Pavone.

00:15:20.080 Oh, my goodness.

00:15:20.660 A direct defrocking of a priest in essentially a secret trial was held.

00:15:30.860 And by the way, for folks that aren't familiar with the church and the inner workings, how often does something like this occur?

00:15:36.980 Well, there's, so defrocking.

00:15:40.200 A full defrocking.

00:15:40.840 Yeah.

00:15:41.200 Defrocking is you're a priest and we are removing you from the priestly status.

00:15:46.820 So you're not a pastor.

00:15:48.580 You're not a father.

00:15:49.320 You don't wear the collar.

00:15:50.160 You don't wear the cassock.

00:15:50.920 You don't say mass.

00:15:52.200 You don't preach.

00:15:52.840 You don't do baptism.

00:15:54.120 You're just done.

00:15:55.340 You are canceled.

00:15:56.860 Often there are men who voluntarily say, you know, this is not for me.

00:16:00.680 I'm discerning how I want to leave.

00:16:01.920 Okay, that happens somewhat commonly, but where they intervene and point at a guy and they're like, you are out, is very rare.

00:16:11.620 I mean, you look at a guy like ex-Cardinal McCarrick, he went on decades of committing criminal deeds and was not directly laicized or defraud.

00:16:21.280 But Father Frank Pavone, a couple of maybe mistakes, but like you said, not even communicated directly to him.

00:16:31.360 And they're like, by the way, you're out.

00:16:33.600 So for folks who don't know the situation, Father Pavone was the head of Priests for Life since all the way back in 1993, was a Trump supporter, was very vocal.

00:16:44.320 But I would say he's the number one pro-life priest in America and maybe in the world.

00:16:51.560 Really the face of the pro-life movement for the Catholic Church.

00:16:56.280 Absolutely.

00:16:56.920 And everybody knows, you know, church is pro-life, obviously.

00:17:00.660 But this guy was the main guy, the main priest.

00:17:05.140 We wake up one night.

00:17:06.520 I got I'm actually said I got a text from Steve Bannon says, Posobic, you got to find out what's going on here.

00:17:11.560 Get me, Dr. Marshall, because Father Pavone, all of a sudden, without any warning, without any public hearings or build up to it whatsoever, gone, finito, overnight, loses his status as a priest.

00:17:27.660 Yes.

00:17:28.360 And he found out about it from the media.

00:17:30.660 Found out about it from the media.

00:17:31.240 He didn't even get a letter from Rome.

00:17:32.840 So why if and when I look at the situation and they blamed it on, they said he was he was overzealous in his defense, essentially in his defense of life, in his defense of children.

00:17:46.200 Even if even if that were the case, and I say this as a prior military officer, if I've got someone who's who means well and is trying to accomplish the mission, and even if they've strayed a little bit from the path, I don't kick them out of the military.

00:18:03.360 Right.

00:18:03.800 Right.

00:18:04.160 I try to correct them.

00:18:06.240 I try to bring them in.

00:18:07.300 I might request reassignment in some cases, but to kick them out completely for trying to accomplish the mission, it makes no sense to me.

00:18:14.980 Yeah.

00:18:15.100 Why would the Vatican do this?

00:18:16.380 Well, you have to understand, and I'm going to be a little controversial and spicy here.

00:18:20.440 I do think there's collusion between Joe Biden and Pope Francis.

00:18:23.400 Wow.

00:18:23.640 They're on the same team.

00:18:25.180 Francis allowed Joe Biden to use footage of himself in his campaign.

00:18:28.480 So, I mean, for a Catholic, oh, the Pope's with Joe Biden.

00:18:31.040 I'm going to vote for him.

00:18:31.880 So, there was this collusion going on, and Frank Bavone was wearing a red MAGA hat.

00:18:38.340 He was promoting Trump because of the pro-life.

00:18:40.980 He wanted Roe v. Wade to be overturned, and look what happened.

00:18:44.420 It happened.

00:18:45.200 And it did.

00:18:45.620 So, Frank Bavone, Father Frank Bavone, was pushing for that.

00:18:48.900 And so, he did have, I think, some misdeeds here.

00:18:52.480 You know, he said GD, Joe Biden, and he said, I shouldn't have said that.

00:18:56.580 I went to confession.

00:18:57.820 I shouldn't have said that.

00:18:58.560 I was heated up.

00:18:59.200 But he was identifying Joe Biden as a so-called Catholic who was promoting and defending Roe v. Wade.

00:19:07.400 And that just infuriated Father Frank Bavone to see the Pope and Joe Biden linked up in the murder of babies.

00:19:16.500 Yes.

00:19:16.840 So, he spoke too much.

00:19:18.840 And then, so I think he did maybe make some imprudential judgments.

00:19:24.200 And though they were used to trump up against him, trump up against him, and dismiss him.

00:19:31.600 And I think it's really unfortunate because you look around at all these priests who have done horrible things, molested children.

00:19:37.620 There was a case this past week, Father Rupnik, a Jesuit, who had sexual relations with nine nuns with the details called gruesome.

00:19:45.780 He was excommunicated, and within hours, the report is, Pope Francis removed his excommunication.

00:19:52.460 Now, Pope Francis, and this is something that's happened.

00:19:56.200 When I say Jesuit, to most people, they think colleges, you might think missionary work.

00:20:03.500 That's not quite the Jesuit order today, though, is it?

00:20:06.040 And Pope Francis is our first Jesuit pope.

00:20:09.960 He's the first one that's ever, the only Jesuit pope that's ever existed.

00:20:13.940 Why is it that when I see a Father James Martin, when I see Pope Francis, when I hear stories like this, and it's become sort of an internet meme, oh, the Jesuits are at it again.

00:20:24.420 What is going on with this priestly order?

00:20:27.040 So, the Jesuits were founded in the 1500s.

00:20:29.060 They were founded to be like the Navy SEALs of the Catholic Church.

00:20:33.640 Right.

00:20:33.800 They were missionaries.

00:20:34.980 They went to India.

00:20:36.440 They went to China.

00:20:37.500 And they have an incredible history.

00:20:38.540 Yeah, like the movie The Mission, where they're like climbing waterfalls to go evangelize Native people.

00:20:43.280 Like, that was the most masculine, hardcore order that you could be in, the Society of Jesus, the Jesuits.

00:20:50.060 And they were also known for being intellectual giants.

00:20:52.780 Like, priests go to seminary, but, like, the Jesuits all had, like, doctorates.

00:20:56.760 They were, like, manly men, athletic, and just immense intellects.

00:21:00.840 And something happened in the early 1900s, an infiltration, where the Jesuit institutions became more and more modernized and liberalized.

00:21:10.260 So, by the time you get to the 60s and the 70s, I personally think it's the secularization of the universities that sort of permeated into the Jesuit order.

00:21:20.900 As they became more secular, that because they were such intellectual clergy, they became more liberal.

00:21:26.740 So, the Jesuits are rich, they are powerful, they have academic credentials, and as a result, they've been able to influence not just the Catholic Church, the whole world.

00:21:38.960 And right now, they have their first Jesuit pope, who is promoting a lot of the liberal modernist agenda.

00:21:44.920 And it seems that Francis, the Jesuit, is protecting and promoting Jesuits, whether they're good guys or bad guys. 0.70

00:21:54.080 You're a Jesuit, pat on the back. 0.96

00:21:56.760 Wow.

00:21:57.120 Come on up higher.

00:21:58.300 Wow.

00:21:58.700 That's what we're seeing.

00:21:59.960 And this, and I hear this from so many people that will come up to me because I'm open about my faith.

00:22:07.400 I'm open about praying the rosary every day.

00:22:09.200 And I have people come to me and they say, I went to a Catholic church for the first time because of you.

00:22:16.660 Or, you know, I tried praying the rosary the first time because I really liked it.

00:22:21.300 I want to get into it more.

00:22:22.560 I say, that's great.

00:22:23.400 That's amazing.

00:22:25.020 But, and then they say, but that pope, that pope you guys have, I just, I can't get past it.

00:22:32.060 I hear it every week.

00:22:33.280 Really?

00:22:33.900 And I think we need to remember, you know, the pope.

00:22:35.900 And by the way, I don't do what I do to, as a Catholic evangelist.

00:22:41.260 Right.

00:22:41.380 But I do say, I'm also willing to say, look, this is where I stand on politics.

00:22:45.700 This is where I stand.

00:22:46.260 This is my religion.

00:22:47.300 I'm not trying to hide anything.

00:22:48.560 This is where I am.

00:22:49.320 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:50.240 I mean, the pope for us is the successor of St. Peter.

00:22:53.080 Yes.

00:22:53.260 Peter was the number one apostle.

00:22:54.420 He was kind of the head of everybody, of the 12 apostles.

00:22:57.400 Almost like a rock.

00:22:58.520 He was a rock.

00:22:59.080 He was the rock.

00:23:00.040 He was the kepha, the Peter. 1.00

00:23:01.400 So, I mean, but Peter wasn't perfect.

00:23:03.940 He denied our Lord three times.

00:23:06.120 He sunk in the water when he was walking on the water.

00:23:08.200 I mean, Peter was a flawed man.

00:23:09.880 So, as Catholics, we don't expect our pope to be sinless.

00:23:13.260 We don't expect him to be a prophet or a miracle worker.

00:23:16.100 We expect him to be a leader and to protect the teachings of Jesus Christ.

00:23:21.220 Yes.

00:23:21.800 That is the role of the pope.

00:23:23.920 And so, have there been bad popes?

00:23:25.680 Yes.

00:23:26.020 Have there been great saintly popes?

00:23:28.040 Yes.

00:23:28.420 And unfortunately, in our time, one of the crosses we have to bear as Catholics is our

00:23:33.140 pope does not seem to be a zealous defender.

00:23:35.600 I want a pope that will simply come out and say, the church has had a problem.

00:23:43.360 There were sinners.

00:23:44.360 There were infiltrators.

00:23:45.340 We are going to clean it up.

00:23:47.560 Yes.

00:23:47.980 Full-on internal investigations.

00:23:50.300 We are going to root this out.

00:23:52.160 We are going to root out this corruption.

00:23:53.320 And, by the way, if there are people that want to continue following the traditional rite

00:24:00.700 of the mass, that we are going to allow that.

00:24:03.880 And, by the way, not only is there nothing wrong with it, but we actively encourage following

00:24:09.220 the nearly 2,000-year history of the church.

00:24:14.620 And go one further and have the pope actually celebrate the traditional rite and the liturgies,

00:24:19.020 right?

00:24:19.280 Why not?

00:24:19.660 And how about this?

00:24:20.380 The pope says, you know what's number one?

00:24:21.960 Jesus Christ?

00:24:23.700 I thought that's what it was supposed to be.

00:24:25.300 Can we have them say that?

00:24:26.960 Like, instead of talking about, you know, vaccines and global warming and immigration, let's say,

00:24:32.900 you know what?

00:24:33.320 It's all about Jesus Christ.

00:24:34.880 Let's get back to that.

00:24:36.000 I think the world is crying out for that.

00:24:38.980 Dr. Taylor Marshall, the two books now, it's Infiltration, Antichrist, and Apocalypse.

00:24:44.700 Where can people follow you?

00:24:45.520 What are your coordinates?

00:24:46.820 taylormarshall.com.

00:24:47.800 And my podcast, probably the best way, is on YouTube, Dr. Taylor Marshall Podcast.

00:24:52.520 Taylor Marshall, always a pleasure.

00:24:53.300 All right.

00:24:53.600 Honored.

00:24:54.040 Always a pleasure.

00:24:54.780 Always.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - January 04, 2023

EPISODE 359： THE WAR ON CHRISTIANITY WITH DR. TAYLOR MARSHALL

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