Dr. Taylor Marshall joins us for part two of our discussion on the War on Christianity. In this episode, we discuss whether or not Christmas is really a Christian holiday anymore, and if it was actually a pagan holiday in the past.
00:00:45.300But we're recording this just before Christmas.
00:00:48.780This is going to air during the Christmas break.
00:00:50.560But Dr. Marshall, there's something that comes up every year.
00:00:54.840And I fight back against it so hard on social media because I think that the War on Christianity also created this meme, this narrative of a war on Christmas.
00:01:07.140And the thing that they always throw on Christmas that is very subversive, and I think it's part of the war on Christmas, and I don't want to go full Bill O'Reilly, but it's this idea that, well, you know, Christmas is really just a pagan holiday.
00:01:20.140And it's based on Saturnalia and Sol Invictus and the Cult of the Sun and the Winter Solstice.
00:01:26.280And isn't that really what Christmas is all about?
00:01:28.780And so a two-parter, well, let's start with this.
00:02:03.840They never answer the question of if you are evangelizing a new religion and the government, right, the empire, is slaughtering your people, why would you want to copy the people who were killing you?
00:02:23.320I mean, a lot of those points just don't line up and make sense.
00:02:26.000And if you look at the gospel narrative in Luke, you look at the Day of Atonement, the birth of John the Baptist, the weather patterns, all the details that we have historically, a winter birth for Jesus Christ makes the most sense.
00:03:08.380And yet, the pop culture aficionados, the, you know, pop history blogs, every year, oh, Christmas was based on a pagan thing and it's not real.
00:04:17.620And the people need to understand that there's a difference between sort of this idea of going through the motions of the secular holiday and actually understanding the truth behind what it is that we are celebrating.
00:04:33.400This transformative, almost extra-dimensional kind of mystic, spiritual, supernatural, obviously supernatural event.
00:04:48.300And they say, well, you can't explain that.
00:04:49.660You know, for a woman to be pregnant, she has certain things must occur.
00:05:17.980You talk about the mystical and the supernatural.
00:05:20.260You think about Christmas and the incarnation of Christ.
00:05:23.360That is literally, literally the portal in the space-time continuing between heaven and eternity and our created reality here on earth in a town that's a tiny town, Bethlehem, which means house of bread.
00:05:38.720I mean, that is the connection, the apex, the climax of history where God enters into the space-time continuum through a virgin.
00:05:55.300I mean, trying to water it down into something natural doesn't make any sense.
00:05:58.180We actually visited, and for folks who watched our Holy Land special, they saw that we actually visited the Church of the Annunciation in Nazareth.
00:06:09.160And they have there, in Latin everywhere, here the word was made flesh.
00:06:24.840The enemies of the Church will do anything to chip away at that, and they've been trying this for 2,000 years, to deny it, to deny your faith, to make you think, well, it's a cultural practice.
00:06:44.400And a lot of this goes back, by the way, and I don't want to switch gears in a second, but all of this goes back, and we talked about this in the Halloween special we had you on, by the way.
00:06:55.900And they want you to go into this comparative politics history, which was a school of thought that came up.
00:07:08.500We talk about Marcuse, we talk about the cultural Marxist, the rise of Gramsci, and some of these others, but comparative religion also came up at the same time, and it was part of the school of thought of Darwin, where this new evolutionary view of everything.
00:07:26.340And so if nature was evolutionary, then religion must have been evolutionary.
00:07:30.440And so, you know, the Christians are basing it on the Jews, the Jews are basing it on the Babylonians, the Babylonians are basing it on the Syrians, and it goes back to Gilgamesh, and it's all just, you know, a bunch of rehashing and adding things out.
00:07:43.220When, if you actually look, and by the way, at discoveries that we now have, historical and archaeological discoveries that we've seen now, that's not the case whatsoever, because in the ancient world, there were religions upon religions, gods upon gods.
00:07:56.980The one thing they wouldn't find, by the way, is atheists, that's why atheists aren't mentioned in the Bible, because they didn't exist.
00:08:02.800But the idea that you would build off of something, it actually doesn't make any sense if you understand the history of the era.
00:08:10.260But I want to ask you, while I have you on for the show, another tack on the war on Christianity, because we talk a lot about the war on Christianity from within society.
00:08:24.000I think most people get that. I think a lot of people see it. They understand there's only one religion that you're allowed to mock, that you're allowed to ridicule.
00:08:31.220There's only one holy family or holy figure that you're allowed to mock and ridicule.
00:08:36.520But, and it might be a controversial question, but have elements of this war on Christianity found their way into the church itself?
00:08:48.360Yes. When you think about the origin of the universe, God created angels, and we believe that a third of those angels rebelled, they fell, and they became demons.
00:09:00.640Right? They once were good, they became bad.
00:09:02.940And so if you think about, like, if you were a rebellious angel with a magnificent intellect, where would you want to be?
00:09:11.280Would you want to be on the outside of the church, or would you want to be in the intimate thoughts and hearts of the people trying to serve God?
00:09:33.440And you look at, like, the life of Christ, one of the 12, Judas Iscariot, betrayed him.
00:09:39.100It was an inside job, and ever since then, it's almost always been an inside job.
00:09:44.680And so I think the war on Christianity, yes, we have attacks on the outside, like Napoleon Bonaparte and whatnot,
00:09:50.060but the most insidious, the most powerful are the attacks on the inside of the church.
00:09:57.200These are the Judas Iscariot attackers of the church.
00:09:59.840And I'm actually going to put you on the spot here because there is a theory and there are rumors regarding the third secret of Fatima that,
00:10:11.600and I know you write about this in your book, Infiltration, that there is a very good chance that the reason that the third secret of Fatima was not revealed on schedule,
00:10:20.560and that what did eventually come out was some watered down, mamby-pamby thing,
00:10:26.420was that, in fact, the third secret of Fatima may be referring to infiltration of the church.
00:13:15.800Green Theology, World Economic Forum, Davos, Liberation Theology.
00:13:20.740I mean, just the evils of our time in the globalist movement.
00:13:25.660We could talk about medical treatments as well.
00:13:28.120All that stuff he's involved in either directly or has appointed people to be directly in it.
00:13:34.140And then you also just look at, for example, ex-Cardinal McCarrick.
00:13:37.840He was the Cardinal Archbishop of D.C., the most important cleric in America, and he was a child molester, and he was an embezzler, and he was enabled by the Vatican.
00:13:47.460So that right there is just explicit testimony that there's something rotten, there's something cancerous in the Vatican.
00:13:55.540And you can be a Catholic and admit that.
00:14:10.840The way I always put it, too, as well, is that when I see corruption in my government, when I see corruption in my country, I want to resolve that.
00:14:21.320I want to hold those people accountable.
00:14:23.680It doesn't make me tear up the American flag.
00:14:25.960It doesn't make me tear up my passport, my citizenship.
00:15:02.160Because you have to realize the leadership and everything that the leadership does does not correspond to the people, the patrimony, and the legacy of what a nation is.
00:15:12.340Well, I think for a lot of people, and some folks don't understand the backstory, we had an issue that just came up.
00:16:01.920Okay, that happens somewhat commonly, but where they intervene and point at a guy and they're like, you are out, is very rare.
00:16:11.620I mean, you look at a guy like ex-Cardinal McCarrick, he went on decades of committing criminal deeds and was not directly laicized or defraud.
00:16:21.280But Father Frank Pavone, a couple of maybe mistakes, but like you said, not even communicated directly to him.
00:16:31.360And they're like, by the way, you're out.
00:16:33.600So for folks who don't know the situation, Father Pavone was the head of Priests for Life since all the way back in 1993, was a Trump supporter, was very vocal.
00:16:44.320But I would say he's the number one pro-life priest in America and maybe in the world.
00:16:51.560Really the face of the pro-life movement for the Catholic Church.
00:17:06.520I got I'm actually said I got a text from Steve Bannon says, Posobic, you got to find out what's going on here.
00:17:11.560Get me, Dr. Marshall, because Father Pavone, all of a sudden, without any warning, without any public hearings or build up to it whatsoever, gone, finito, overnight, loses his status as a priest.
00:17:31.240He didn't even get a letter from Rome.
00:17:32.840So why if and when I look at the situation and they blamed it on, they said he was he was overzealous in his defense, essentially in his defense of life, in his defense of children.
00:17:46.200Even if even if that were the case, and I say this as a prior military officer, if I've got someone who's who means well and is trying to accomplish the mission, and even if they've strayed a little bit from the path, I don't kick them out of the military.
00:19:18.840And then, so I think he did maybe make some imprudential judgments.
00:19:24.200And though they were used to trump up against him, trump up against him, and dismiss him.
00:19:31.600And I think it's really unfortunate because you look around at all these priests who have done horrible things, molested children.
00:19:37.620There was a case this past week, Father Rupnik, a Jesuit, who had sexual relations with nine nuns with the details called gruesome.
00:19:45.780He was excommunicated, and within hours, the report is, Pope Francis removed his excommunication.
00:19:52.460Now, Pope Francis, and this is something that's happened.
00:19:56.200When I say Jesuit, to most people, they think colleges, you might think missionary work.
00:20:03.500That's not quite the Jesuit order today, though, is it?
00:20:06.040And Pope Francis is our first Jesuit pope.
00:20:09.960He's the first one that's ever, the only Jesuit pope that's ever existed.
00:20:13.940Why is it that when I see a Father James Martin, when I see Pope Francis, when I hear stories like this, and it's become sort of an internet meme, oh, the Jesuits are at it again.
00:20:24.420What is going on with this priestly order?
00:20:27.040So, the Jesuits were founded in the 1500s.
00:20:29.060They were founded to be like the Navy SEALs of the Catholic Church.
00:20:38.540Yeah, like the movie The Mission, where they're like climbing waterfalls to go evangelize Native people.
00:20:43.280Like, that was the most masculine, hardcore order that you could be in, the Society of Jesus, the Jesuits.
00:20:50.060And they were also known for being intellectual giants.
00:20:52.780Like, priests go to seminary, but, like, the Jesuits all had, like, doctorates.
00:20:56.760They were, like, manly men, athletic, and just immense intellects.
00:21:00.840And something happened in the early 1900s, an infiltration, where the Jesuit institutions became more and more modernized and liberalized.
00:21:10.260So, by the time you get to the 60s and the 70s, I personally think it's the secularization of the universities that sort of permeated into the Jesuit order.
00:21:20.900As they became more secular, that because they were such intellectual clergy, they became more liberal.
00:21:26.740So, the Jesuits are rich, they are powerful, they have academic credentials, and as a result, they've been able to influence not just the Catholic Church, the whole world.
00:21:38.960And right now, they have their first Jesuit pope, who is promoting a lot of the liberal modernist agenda.
00:21:44.920And it seems that Francis, the Jesuit, is protecting and promoting Jesuits, whether they're good guys or bad guys.