Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 419： EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH JAMES O’KEEFE

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00:00:04.100 Turning Point USA. Today is March 15th, 2023. I know, Dominic, the Ides of March, and what better

00:00:10.040 day than the Ides of March to announce that today we have an exclusive interview with James O'Keefe.

00:00:18.040 Now, people know that James has been in the news a lot these past six weeks. Huge situation.

00:00:23.820 Project Veritas now announcing that he is launching his own venture, the O'Keefe Media Group.

00:00:32.700 So I wanted to sit down with James and talk to him directly, straight from the horse's mouth,

00:00:38.180 not from sources, not from go-betweens. I want to hear directly from James.

00:00:42.760 What's been going on over these last six weeks? What's been going on inside the mind of James O'Keefe

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00:01:27.720 All right. We are excited here to bring on James O'Keefe, the new head of the OMG,

00:01:46.220 the O'Keefe Media Group. James O'Keefe, welcome back to Human Events Daily.

00:01:51.040 Hey, Jack. Great to see you.

00:01:53.360 I got to ask, man, how did you come up with the name the OMG?

00:01:58.000 I mean, I get O'Keefe Media Group, but surely somebody said to you, like, James,

00:02:01.540 are you sure you want the OMG? Are you sure you want to go in with that? Walk me through that one.

00:02:05.080 I was sitting in my new war room here, which, you know, I've had about 10 people that I've

00:02:11.420 identified to keep doing what I'm doing. And we were just spitting out names and different ideas.

00:02:17.200 And I think putting my name in it was something that most people wanted to do because I've already

00:02:21.740 had one company stolen from me. So I don't, I think it's a little more difficult when your name is in it.

00:02:25.900 And it was just like O'Keefe Media, O'Keefe Media Group. And then there was that OMG. So it was like

00:02:31.080 TMZ, OMG. Oh my gosh. You know, because kind of like the videos that we do, it's like, oh my gosh,

00:02:37.320 that's outrageous, right? It creates righteous indignation, shocks the people, wakes them up.

00:02:42.720 That's what we want to do. So we have a little logo there and it's a subscription-based platform

00:02:47.880 where Jack, you can actually go on there and for a thousand bucks, you can actually sponsor a camera,

00:02:53.160 one of our special cameras that we will put into the hands of the willing, because there have been

00:02:58.260 probably 5,000 people that have emailed me over the last month that want to basically do what I do.

00:03:02.500 So now I'm going to basically create Uber for citizen journalism and get the cameras out where

00:03:08.760 they need to go.

00:03:09.860 Well, that's actually incredible. And so what you're also doing that, and I actually didn't realize that

00:03:14.000 when you did the first rollout so that people can go in and if you're someone who, okay, maybe you

00:03:19.920 don't have in the Intel community, we would have said placement and access, right? So placement and

00:03:24.160 access obviously is the bread and butter of what you guys do on your journalism. So you may not have

00:03:30.380 placement and access, but you might want to fund that type of journalism. You might want to monetarily

00:03:35.560 support it. And by the way, you now, are there different tiers to this? Is this something where people

00:03:40.320 could maybe do like, you know, a 10 bucks a month, 20 bucks a month, whatever it is, et cetera.

00:03:44.500 Walk me through all that.

00:03:45.280 Yeah. There's, there's, there's going to be right now we're, we're about to break some stories like

00:03:50.940 we all, like I always do. But if you go to this website, O'KeefeMediaGroup.com, there's tiers.

00:03:56.240 You got, uh, $500. You get a certificate for a grand, you can buy a camera, uh, for five grand,

00:04:03.100 you can get a video from me. And then for 20 bucks a month, you can just subscribe. And eventually this

00:04:06.620 website is going to have, um, basically seminars on how to do this sort of journalism. And my vision

00:04:12.840 is eventually to arm thousands of people with these little cameras and teach them about ethics

00:04:18.160 and how to use the cameras and so forth. So we haven't built the website out fully, but

00:04:22.200 people wanted me back in action. I'm back in action. I'll be breaking stories in the next week or so.

00:04:27.360 And people wanted to know how they could support. So it's not a five one C three. It's not a non-for-profit.

00:04:32.480 It's just a subscription based news organization where the people that want to send their $20

00:04:37.620 can now do so. They can subscribe to this website. We will eventually build out the website as we,

00:04:43.960 uh, create, uh, these, uh, this, this content and these, what I call masterclasses and how to do

00:04:50.620 citizen journalism. Well, I think that's really great because I get people all the time. I'm sure

00:04:55.980 you do too. They come up at events, they come up at turning point events, CPAC, whatever we're at.

00:04:59.940 And they say, they say, Hey, I'm, um, I love what you do. I want to get started. I want to do what

00:05:05.140 you do. How do you get started? The first thing that I always tell people is just get out there

00:05:09.640 and do it right. Don't, don't sit back and wait for permission. Don't think that you need there's,

00:05:15.620 there are literally, we did a segment the other day talking about this, that if you get a press pass

00:05:20.920 and you just go to your local, you know, city council and you find out the contracts that are going

00:05:26.780 through, there are stories everywhere. Does that happen to you? Do you get people coming up and

00:05:31.340 asking you that kind of stuff? Oh, I mean, it's a, yes. I'm glad you brought that up. The number

00:05:36.020 one thing people always say is what can I do? I've always said that, but I also think people like to

00:05:40.220 whine and they just, people, I mean, I'm, I'll say it because it's, you know, um, it's a, it's

00:05:46.020 critical of the audience, but people just like to whine. They like to complain. And a lot of people

00:05:51.020 are complainers and whiners. So this is my opportunity to put it back on them and say,

00:05:55.400 Oh, you want to do something? Okay. Well, how about you take one of these little cameras?

00:05:59.140 Um, and we're going to give it to you. And if you live in wherever you live, you're going to go to

00:06:03.440 your city council meeting, your school board, and you're going to start recording and we'll help you

00:06:07.180 do it. We'll guide you. We'll train you. We'll coach you thousands of people. Great. We'll do it.

00:06:11.660 Let's do it. Let's go. And then they're like, well, I don't know. And I said, well, you said,

00:06:15.080 you said you wanted to do this. So now put your money where your mouth is actually just me tweeting out,

00:06:20.520 buy the little cheap Amazon version of the camera, like dozens of people bought it and they're

00:06:25.340 willing. And I think this experience that I've been through over the last month, breaking that

00:06:30.660 Pfizer story and then being thrown out of the organization I founded has actually inspired a

00:06:35.020 lot of people. They feel more activated. Um, so yes, I go to these events. Everyone always asks,

00:06:41.680 how can I help and support a lot of people I think just want to complain. Um, but I think there's a,

00:06:48.620 there's a small minority of people who are fearless and willing. And that is what this

00:06:54.120 company, OMG O'Keefe media group is designed to do. It's, we're going to train and mobilize an army

00:07:00.520 of citizen journalists because power hates sunlight and they have awoken a sleeping giant. And the only

00:07:08.520 way to hold our leaders accountable, like you have an intelligence background is to find the people

00:07:13.700 with the access people that are in proximity to those people who have the, the, I call it

00:07:18.240 testicular fortitude to, to get close to record, to jump on the proverbial grenade, not literal grenade

00:07:25.440 overseas, but the proverbial grenade in Washington or wherever, and to record it and to show people

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00:08:50.060 What do you say to people who, who they would say, I'm sure one of the responses you'll get back. And

00:08:54.700 we always heard this as well, because look, even when I was in the Intel community and I wasn't married yet,

00:08:59.960 I didn't have kids yet, but they, I, you know, you saw people that had been invested in for so long

00:09:04.940 and they would see the corruption. They would see the things that were going on. They would see the

00:09:08.920 lies. I remember Benghazi and I remember sitting there behind my desk going, I can, I know the 0.99

00:09:13.660 president of the United States is lying. I know that he's lying up there on TV on the white. I can see

00:09:18.000 the footage. I can see that he's lying. We can, but he's just, he's telling people the fault, you know,

00:09:23.200 this falsehood. But at the same time, you've got people saying, well, hold on a second. You know,

00:09:27.360 I'm five years away from my pension. I got a retirement coming in. I got bills. I got health

00:09:32.100 insurance. What do you say to somebody like that? Who knows, you know, whether they're at Pfizer or

00:09:38.940 one of the banks, as we've seen this week, right? Um, the complete insanity, the mismanagement of

00:09:44.120 these banks, someone who knows something that's going on, but they're too worried about the

00:09:49.440 repercussions of what will happen before they came out. You also had, of course, at CPAC,

00:09:54.560 that incredible moment where the whistleblower from Pfizer came forward with you on stage,

00:10:00.860 knowing, by the way, she's probably not going to be welcome back in that industry anytime soon. 0.55

00:10:04.180 How do you get someone to take that next step? That's a great question. I wrote a whole book

00:10:09.260 about this. Um, but let me summarize, you know, there's this, there's this old saying where if you

00:10:14.420 go in one direction, you lose your life. If you go in the other direction, you betray your conscience,

00:10:19.720 but there is definitely a degree of suffering that goes along with, with truth telling. Um,

00:10:27.920 but you, but you maintain your own soul, right? You, you're, you're, you're loyal to,

00:10:34.860 to some greater thing. And we're all going to die one day. I don't hate to break the news to you, 0.96

00:10:40.220 but life is short. And I think more and more people right now want meaning in their life.

00:10:46.800 They want to actually make a difference more so now than ever before. Most people are quite

00:10:52.180 envious of my little ragtag group of people here at, at, at, uh, OMG. Um, because they're like,

00:10:59.100 I want to do what you're doing. Um, and I'm not asking for everyone to do it. I mean, maybe 1% of

00:11:05.080 the people that email me are actually willing to do, but that's a lot of people I've gotten like 10,000,

00:11:09.640 you know, emails here in the last couple of weeks. So that, that's a, that's a, you know,

00:11:14.580 that's, that's a hundred people wanting to wear cameras, which will turn into a thousand people.

00:11:18.560 And to answer your question, they may be able to stop one person like me or Debbie, right?

00:11:23.960 But they can't stop an army of people. They've that's never happened before. Really. I mean,

00:11:29.260 there's been a few journalists here and there. You've been doing good work. Um, some of my colleagues,

00:11:34.800 some of my former colleagues doing great work, but imagine thousands and thousands of people

00:11:41.960 sticking together. That's what the powerful people fear. Like thousands of whistleblowers

00:11:46.700 coming out at the same time. And yes, it's hard, but there's also a lot of grace that comes along

00:11:51.580 with that so-called suffering. And you're, you're adhering to the truth. You're being loyal to your

00:11:56.600 conscience. Some, sometimes the public's right to know is so great that it's worth the sacrifice

00:12:02.520 inflicted on you. And there is a support network. We are going to support you. I will create seminars

00:12:09.180 on ethics and, and legal primers and technology to support you. And, and, and I, and I, I told Debbie,

00:12:16.140 I was like, well, listen, Pfizer is going to have to go through me to get to you. Okay. And if they go

00:12:20.940 through me, they got an army of people by my side. And Debbie was inspired to, to come out, um, as a

00:12:27.300 result of what happened to me, she was previously unwilling to go public. Uh, she was afraid, but after I

00:12:34.500 was thrown out of the organization, I found it a week after the Pfizer story, she became inspired to go

00:12:38.720 public. And that was a really beautiful thing. And I think there's going to be a lot more people to

00:12:42.360 do the same. Look, James, I mean, and, and if you're willing to share anything with us on that

00:12:47.500 people, people are so confused. It's like, it's like a rollercoaster and everyone's head is spinning

00:12:52.820 with whiplash over this, the Pfizer video drops this thing. The last time I checked, it was at like

00:12:59.420 30 million. It's probably up to 50 million views at this point. One of, if not the biggest

00:13:04.800 project Veritas video that I've ever seen has come out, one of the biggest stories, just an absolute

00:13:10.240 apex moment. And then suddenly, you know, the brakes are put on hold. It feels like there's all

00:13:16.660 this instability. You leave the organization. Can you walk us through those six weeks? Just what was

00:13:22.480 going on from your perspective? Are you able to share that with us? Well, I don't know if you guys saw

00:13:28.380 my, um, my, uh, uh, uh, remarks departing. Did you, did you happen to see those? It was about

00:13:35.780 a 45 minute. I mean, I, uh, I mean, that that's basically what, what I have to say about the

00:13:42.820 matter. And it was, I said it to my staff, it was 60 people, 65 people. And it was, um, and then it was

00:13:51.220 leaked. I recognize that when I, you know, distribute a Vimeo link to 70 people, someone's going to probably

00:13:57.260 leak it, but I didn't leak it. Um, you know, and that's what I have to say about the matter.

00:14:01.520 It's all there. I'm, I never really paid attention to board governance. I was the CEO. Um, and I was

00:14:09.380 taking responsibility for everything. I kind of ran it in an orthodox way. And so far as I was taking

00:14:16.180 responsibility for everything, I did my yearly audits. I had my quarterly financial statements.

00:14:20.460 Um, but it was, it was quite bizarre. I just deal about black cars and sandwiches.

00:14:24.760 If you watch my ad for OMG, I actually get out of a black car and I, I throw a sandwich. I was a

00:14:30.900 homage to these really strange things. Um, and I, and I've been the same man for 13 years. I probably

00:14:37.420 improved a bit. Um, but I think in a media organization, in a media company, most media

00:14:44.580 news organizations are corrupted at the top in traditional newsrooms. Journalists don't really

00:14:49.760 do journalism. Investigative journalism is a thing of the past because most organizations are pursuing

00:14:55.220 a profit or they don't understand how to run a balance sheet as it, when it pertains to investigative

00:15:01.800 reporting. So having ethics and integrity is going to be critical. Um, and sometimes it's not always

00:15:07.120 profitable if you're trying to squeeze profit. Uh, but I, I ran that organization. I, I spent 14 years

00:15:14.300 of my life, uh, building a credible news organization and, uh, and suddenly there was an emergency to

00:15:20.120 oust me, uh, all of a sudden, which doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense to any of you,

00:15:26.280 but I would, I would say to you that I learned a lot from it. Um, I'm going to be more effective

00:15:31.200 as a result of it. I've certainly seen a lot of evil and darkness, but I've also really seen a lot

00:15:36.280 of good. I've been able to identify a few people that are absolutely, I mean, amazing human beings,

00:15:42.900 uh, that I've gone through this with me and have been by my side and, and really, you know,

00:15:50.300 this is a movement that requires really strong people in their souls, absolutely unyielding,

00:15:57.660 won't bend at the knee, won't be pressured, uh, people that will do it for free. Um, which, which,

00:16:03.900 which some of us have been doing here, Jack, for the last couple of weeks, um, you know,

00:16:09.500 sleeping on the floor and eating pizza and doing what we have to do. That's what we're doing over

00:16:13.920 here because we believe in it. And, and I think I'll be more effective as a result of this. And

00:16:18.760 I've learned a lot of things that will help me as I venture to the next level, which is to equip

00:16:24.680 thousands of people with the cameras as opposed to just a couple dozen. That's incredible. And I

00:16:28.840 appreciate you sharing with that with us and being as candid as you've been. I mean,

00:16:32.400 can you walk us through just what is the process there? What's the process of that,

00:16:37.940 of determining who those individuals are to start with your, your, I mean, it's like your startup

00:16:42.500 right now, basically you are a startup right now, um, that you are, you've gone through 13,

00:16:47.500 14 years of your public career. Now you're back at the beginning, right? You've, you've gone back to

00:16:53.300 the start in a sense, but it's a new start. Can you explain that process to us?

00:16:56.960 Well, I wouldn't say it's a start. It is definitely a startup. This is not a five,

00:17:02.120 one C three. This is a subscription-based news news organization. And you will see stories in

00:17:06.400 the coming days. You might even see a story like tomorrow or Monday. I mean, as I speak to you,

00:17:11.580 these things are flying across the transom, even more from Pfizer. I mean, we have people inside

00:17:17.380 fires that only trust us. They don't trust anybody else because they know that I'm not for sale.

00:17:22.520 They know that even though this is a subscription-based news out news organization, no one

00:17:26.700 will, I'm operating without fear or favor. No one will tell me what not to do and tell me what

00:17:32.020 do do. And I, and I own this. There's no board of directors that own this right now. Um, but I

00:17:37.960 think to answer your question, if you go to this website about that, by the way, because, because

00:17:41.480 I haven't heard you say anything about that. You're, I've never seen to my knowledge, project

00:17:45.740 Gartas, even in the past, I've never seen you take ads. I've never seen you, uh, work with,

00:17:50.800 with any of those types of, um, you know, programmatic advertisements or anything like

00:17:55.480 that. And you're saying right now that you're not going into this with huge financial backing

00:17:59.080 or any of that stuff. You're just asking for subscriptions.

00:18:00.940 No, I mean, I, we, I maxed out my credit card in the last week to, to, uh, and my colleague,

00:18:07.940 um, one of my brave colleagues who is volunteering put on his credit card, the flight for Debbie to

00:18:16.140 CPAC. That's, that's what we're doing over here. Okay. Because we believe in it because

00:18:22.360 my people are, we're working for free for the last two weeks, myself included. And that's

00:18:26.220 fine because the people that are willing to do this are willing to do it for free. When

00:18:31.520 I, I tweeted out, Hey, go buy these Amazon cameras and literally like a few dozen people

00:18:36.440 bought them and say, I'm ready to go. So, but the next level today, we're getting a few

00:18:44.200 thousand subscriptions right now. So I can make payroll and hire my people officially.

00:18:49.080 And for a thousand bucks, you can actually buy a camera for one of our sources. And as

00:18:56.200 my understanding is in the last two hours, I think a few, uh, how many people do we have

00:19:00.000 doing that? Maybe a couple dozen have already put in those thousand dollar subscription so

00:19:04.360 that we can buy the camera. So what I envisioned Jack is that eventually we're going to have

00:19:09.300 seminars on ethics and technology, legal primers so that we can, we can mobilize these people at

00:19:15.560 these events and put them to work. That's my vision, uh, so that we can create a vast army

00:19:21.600 of citizen journalists. And then that will happen. It's already happening right now.

00:19:25.720 Now, one thing, and I appreciate you mentioning that about, about Pfizer, about how there's people

00:19:30.060 who they don't feel trust, right? Because when you're dealing with what we would call source

00:19:36.760 management and source handling, right? People talk about sources and we use these phrases

00:19:41.600 like placement and access. We used to, you know, in the Intel community, we'd say human

00:19:44.860 intelligence and source management, confidential human. At the end of the day, it's just people.

00:19:49.080 Okay. It's just people. And if you've got to hand off a source from someone that you have a

00:19:55.320 trusted relationship with someone who in many of these cases, you're opening yourself up to,

00:20:01.640 you know, just in the journalism side, legal liability, you're opening yourself up to political

00:20:06.640 liability. You might be fired, financial liability, all of this. You cannot do that without a trust

00:20:13.420 based relationship. So James, when you're, when you're looking at take Pfizer, for example,

00:20:19.380 these types of relationships, how important is that source management? Obviously, you know,

00:20:25.260 seeing somebody like Debbie come out at on stage like that and present herself to the entire world is,

00:20:30.280 is the pinnacle of it. But people don't understand. I think a lot of the audience may not even

00:20:34.800 understand what it takes to get someone from that first, that first email, that first text,

00:20:40.660 that nibble all the way up to being on stage next to you, if you know what I mean.

00:20:45.000 Well, I do know what you mean. And it comes down to trust and, and it sounds like a cliche. You know,

00:20:50.920 we hear the words integrity and, and, um, our whole lives. What does that mean?

00:20:55.920 Um, it means you do the right thing, you know, to quote the 60 minutes whistleblower,

00:21:01.700 Jeffrey Wigand interviewed by Mike Wallace in 1996, one of the most famous whistleblowers of all time.

00:21:06.880 There's a whole movie about it called the insider with Al Pacino. It's a great movie.

00:21:10.380 Love it.

00:21:11.000 And Jeffrey Wigand says to Mike Wallace, Mike Wallace said, why are you doing this? And why again? So

00:21:16.080 Wigand said, because it's the right thing to do. So it's doing the right thing. Um, uh,

00:21:23.940 and when you have nothing to gain from the transaction, it's, and, and, and, and the problem

00:21:29.460 in the for-profit news industry traditionally has been, if you're running it like a business,

00:21:33.420 you're going to squeeze every ounce of profit out of it and investigative reporting. Some of my

00:21:37.700 stories have cost a million dollars to do. Okay. It's very expensive. It takes months of the story

00:21:43.540 we did, uh, you know, on the border of last year, I mean, months and months and months and dozens of

00:21:48.340 people. And, and most people there's, it's sort of philanthropic work, right? So, and then there's

00:21:55.400 the fear factor that is to say you operate without fear or favor to quote an old slogan. I think it was

00:22:01.900 from Pulitzer 120 years ago. That means you operate without fear and you operate not partial to a

00:22:08.580 particular policy. Well, hell, I mean, 99% of the people in media, all they do is talk about their

00:22:15.500 preference for policy. I just want the cold, hard facts. So I think in source management, if you

00:22:20.680 operate without fear, if you're philanthropically minded and you're not shoving policy down my

00:22:27.140 throat, you're just focused on the cold, hard facts, I think we didn't engender trust with people.

00:22:32.380 And I think when it came to Debbie and you can, um, you know, she's my first whistleblower, uh, in the

00:22:37.940 last couple of weeks, she, she was inspired to, to go on that seat. You were with me at CPAC Jack.

00:22:43.820 She was inspired because she saw what happened and she, you know, and I don't want to put words

00:22:49.480 in her mouth, but certainly it's very suspicious timing. Um, and, um, she decided that, that,

00:22:56.460 you know, she would follow. And I think, uh, you can't really philosophize courage. You can't

00:23:02.780 tell people to do something. You have to do it yourself and then people will follow.

00:23:07.360 So it's kind of some momentum that we have right now with OMG and O'Keefe media group,

00:23:12.720 thousands of people want to follow Debbie's footsteps, kind of a band of brothers to quote,

00:23:17.600 uh, Henry V. I know I texted you that, that quote from, from Shakespeare, we few, we happy few band

00:23:22.960 of brothers. And that's what, that's what essentially this is. All right, folks, we're

00:23:27.420 going to have to hold it there, unfortunately for time, but James has so much more that he wants to

00:23:31.980 share with you. I've got so much more that I want to ask him that we are going to have to ask you

00:23:36.340 to tune in this Friday. We're going to bring you part two of our James O'Keefe interview. Tomorrow,

00:23:43.120 we're going to be focused on all the current events. We have Richard Barris on, but make sure

00:23:46.320 you come back Friday, James O'Keefe. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay

00:23:51.300 short.

00:23:55.400 Har au Shiro 0.78

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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - March 15, 2023

EPISODE 419： EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH JAMES O’KEEFE

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