Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 439： WHY IS THE US FUNDING THE UKRAINE WAR？ W⧸ CHARLIE KIRK

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00:00:04.740 Friday. It is April 7th, 2023, Anno Domini. Today, on this auspicious day, we will be conducting the

00:00:13.340 Human Events Daily Defund the War special, and we are going to be joined by Charlie Kirk to talk

00:00:20.820 all about the new Defund the War effort the Turning Point is launching, and also an explanation of why

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00:00:57.180 In the past two months, Russia launches brutal attack and has moved weapons and equipment

00:01:12.500 to Ukraine. We've moved weapons and equipment to Ukraine at record speed. Thanks to the aid we

00:01:20.960 provided, Russian forces have been forced to retreat from Kiev. Doesn't mean they're not going to try to 0.99

00:01:25.720 come back, but they've retreated thus far. We've sent thousands of anti-armor, anti-missiles,

00:01:31.560 helicopters, drones, grenade launchers, machine guns, rifles, radar systems, more than 50 million

00:01:37.960 rounds of ammunition. The United States alone has provided 10 anti-armor systems for every Russian

00:01:45.260 tank that is in Ukraine. Ten to one. We're providing Ukraine significant, timely intelligence

00:01:51.440 to help them defend themselves against the Russian onslaught. And we're facilitating the significant

00:01:56.980 flow of weapons and systems to Ukraine from our allies and partners around the world, including

00:02:02.340 tanks, artillery and other weapons. That support is moving with unprecedented speed. Much, much of the

00:02:09.420 new equipment we've announced in the past two months, two weeks has already gotten to Ukraine,

00:02:14.680 where it can be put to direct use on the battlefield. However, we've almost exhausted what we call the

00:02:21.520 fancy phrase, the drawdown authority that Congress authorized Ukraine, authorized for Ukraine in a

00:02:27.960 bipartisan spending bill last month. Basically, we're out of money. And so that's why today, in order to

00:02:34.760 sustain Ukraine as it continues to fight, I'm sending Congress a supplemental budget request.

00:02:41.220 It's going to keep weapons and ammunition flowing without interruption to the brave Ukrainian fighters

00:02:47.060 and continue delivering economic and humanitarian assistance to the Ukrainian people.

00:02:52.480 To support Ukraine today, the Biden-Harris administration is announcing two critical new packages of security

00:02:59.100 assistance that include significant new air defense capabilities, more ammunition for US-provided

00:03:05.000 HIMARS and anti-armor and motor systems, as well as rockets, artillery and tank ammunition that Ukraine is

00:03:12.380 using to defend itself. It is the 35th time the administration has authorized the use of presidential

00:03:18.720 drawdown authorities to send much-needed assistance to Ukraine to meet its immediate battlefield needs.

00:03:26.520 And we are also providing equipment throughout Ukraine's security assistance initiative to help Ukraine with its

00:03:32.400 longer term security assistance requirements are very excited to be here with Charlie Kirk, the founder

00:03:39.300 and president of Turning Point USA. Charlie, what can you tell us about this new effort that Turning Point's

00:03:44.540 launching Defund the War, defundthewar.com? Yeah, I mean, we we actually want to try to broker peace.

00:03:50.980 What a concept, right? I know, right? We've been asking some very, I think, important questions throughout this entire

00:03:58.000 proxy war of what a success look like. Why are we doing this? Do we really want to try to get us closer

00:04:04.480 to a nuclear armed conflict? For what purpose exactly? And our heart and our kind of goal and our mission

00:04:12.520 should be for peace as Americans. And our government is currently not doing that. The current regime is getting

00:04:18.520 us closer and closer towards an escalated conflict. And for what? I mean, there are people that are suffering.

00:04:23.700 There's massive amounts of refugees, not to mention America has spent literally probably over 200 billion dollars,

00:04:32.060 but at least 113 billion dollars on this war. And so we need to defund it. And we need to say that we need to try to

00:04:39.120 broker peace. We need to get closer to a place of reconciliation and resolution that Vladimir Putin and Ukraine should be

00:04:48.680 able to be able to be able to make a deal if America actually wanted a deal to happen. But our current

00:04:54.320 government does not want that. Instead, they want something completely different. It seems they want

00:04:58.560 war or carnage or a lot of all that nonsense. And we need to try to stop it. And so we're trying to

00:05:04.600 get people to sign the petition, get engaged, get involved, have this be a citizen people led movement.

00:05:10.760 And we hope our leaders will listen.

00:05:12.340 Well, I think it's amazing, too, because, you know, Turning Point USA, the the conservative,

00:05:18.720 you know, student initially student focused organization is now the face of the anti-war

00:05:24.720 movement, apparently. You know, this is kind of like, you know, like the hippies of Woodstock and

00:05:29.960 Jimi Hendrix and everything that we remember from, you know, the 60s and 70s is the anti-war

00:05:37.060 movement was the position of the left. In fact, it was the core of the left

00:05:41.200 for an entire generation. And yet somehow along the line and along the way, it's just been

00:05:48.800 completely abandoned as a position. And here we are, you know, quote unquote, on the right or

00:05:54.620 whatever you want to call it, you know, that we are saying, but we're not really saying it from

00:05:58.180 necessarily a position of that, you know, America should be weak. We're saying it from a position of

00:06:02.860 we should seek alternate means to expand our influence throughout the world and also that we

00:06:08.400 should reconstitute our republic by focusing on what matters at home rather than seeking

00:06:12.940 these adventures abroad. Yeah. And then just what what what is the best case scenario here?

00:06:18.620 I'd love to have one of these lawmakers come on my program, your program and say, OK, let's game 0.96

00:06:22.940 this out. I mean, how does this end? And that the new stated position, the national security state

00:06:27.900 is the total reclamation of Ukraine and say, OK, well, what is Ukraine? Does that include Crimea?

00:06:32.720 And some will say yes. I'll say, well, that's really stupid. That's that's a really dumb take. 1.00

00:06:39.400 And they'll say, oh, no, we got to go back to pre 2014 annexation. And Jack, you know, 0.97

00:06:43.880 the geography even better than I do. But they all have different answers. And so there needs to be

00:06:50.040 a prudent and let's just say moderate reconciliation or resolution where the eastern part of Ukraine,

00:06:57.420 Ukraine especially, which are majority Russian speaking. They want to be part of the Russian

00:07:01.800 Federation. They can have their own elections and they have had their own elections, be part of the

00:07:06.380 Russian Federation. There needs to be a ceasefire that is brokered and the war is ended. Why is this

00:07:11.980 so controversial? And by the way, it's not even a matter of being a dove or a hawk. My I my love is

00:07:18.440 of America. The longer this war goes on, the worse it is for our country, the worse it is for the West.

00:07:23.720 The idea of the destabilization of the dollar, actually, all roads go back to eastern Ukraine.

00:07:30.420 I mean, if this war never happened, we would not even having conversations about the dollar

00:07:37.160 losing its world reserve status and currency status. And so they're all it's all interconnected

00:07:41.840 in that sense. We should be focused on the Chinese Communist Party and what they're trying to do,

00:07:47.220 not the Russian Federation. I go as far to say that Russia should be an ally of the United States

00:07:52.900 against the CCP. I'm not pro Russian. I'm not pro Putin. I don't think highly of their government.

00:07:58.020 Obviously, they have a completely set set a different of structure of government than we do.

00:08:02.980 But also, you must be willing sometimes to do deals with less than desirable actors if it benefits

00:08:08.360 your own country. And it's just remarkable to see, Jack, every country except America right now

00:08:14.420 is acting in their own interest across the world. We are the only player that continually acts

00:08:20.320 against our own interest at every single corner and turn. So we're doing this effort to try to get

00:08:26.900 you to have your voice heard. When you confront lawmakers on this, they get skittish. They know

00:08:32.120 they're in the wrong. I've had senators on my program. I've asked them direct questions.

00:08:36.220 What does success look like? How much money is too much money? Why are you sending the equivalent

00:08:40.960 of two North Dakotas as their GDP to Ukraine? And it's just kind of a lot of abstractions.

00:08:47.140 We need concrete answers. We need to have citizens lead this. And I'm hopeful because

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00:09:55.700 Well, that's exactly right, Charlie. And to your point, as we sit here today and we look around

00:10:02.680 the world, we see the rise of the BRICS nations. We see the fall of the petrodollar. Mexico, 0.99

00:10:07.520 our southern neighbor, which by rights, as a member of the U.S.-China, excuse me,

00:10:13.060 U.S.-Mexico trade deal, a former member of NAFTA, you'd think that we would never allow Mexico to go 0.97

00:10:21.080 seeking deals with our competitors. Correct. And yet that's what they're going into. This is a,

00:10:25.680 this represent, and nobody's even talking about this. We talked about the show yesterday,

00:10:29.060 that this is one of the most massive failures of the entire U.S. foreign policy, not just Biden or

00:10:35.280 Blinken or, or Victoria Nguyen. I mean, this is insane. The idea that our neighbor that should be

00:10:40.760 our economic, our closest economic trade partner after Canada should be Mexico just by rights. And if

00:10:46.480 we are a great power, we should be able to prevent them from doing this. Completely mismanaged that

00:10:51.920 relationship to the point where our greatest competitor is now coming up right onto and even

00:10:57.480 increasing across our own border. And Charlie, to your point, the fact that we've been reduced and

00:11:03.160 so bogged down in this proxy war, what's going on in the Taiwan Strait right now? What's going on is

00:11:07.820 that China is already enacting a soft blockade of Taiwan, saying that we're going to be inspecting

00:11:15.760 cargo, inspecting maritime cargo with who? The People's Liberation Army Navy. You've got an

00:11:20.780 aircraft carrier, the Chinese aircraft carrier off the coast of Taiwan, the U.S. Nimitz off the

00:11:25.560 coast of Taiwan. All of this is happening at the same time. What are we going to do? We're going to

00:11:29.400 have two wars at the same time and two globes, two proxy wars. It doesn't make any sense. And to your

00:11:34.660 point earlier about what our policy should be with Russia, Prince Clemens von Metternich,

00:11:41.420 if the Australian diplomat, this is around World War Two, he was World War One. He was making this

00:11:46.820 point. He said in a world of three, be one in a world of three. The one have you have your allies

00:11:55.900 and then target and isolate the people who are your competitors. Why would we make all of our

00:12:01.400 competitors join up against us? It makes no sense. The United States in World War Two was able to work

00:12:09.460 with the Soviet Union to defeat Nazi Germany. Did that mean we liked the Soviet Union? Did that

00:12:14.920 mean that we were buddy buddy, that we co-opted at the end and gave moral justification to everything

00:12:20.200 that the Soviet Union was doing? Of course not. But it meant that we joined together and were able to do

00:12:25.180 so because of that. Go to the flip side of that. Kissinger, Nixon, what do they do in the 1970s? They

00:12:31.380 went to China in order to box in the Soviet Union. It's such an obvious move. The United States has used 0.87

00:12:37.420 it multiple times in the past. But for some reason now we're told, no, the United States should pursue

00:12:43.340 this this global hegemony, pursue this global regime that we believed in Fukuyama's end of

00:12:50.880 history that happened with the fall of the Soviet Union and that the United States would be the big 0.76

00:12:55.540 dog forever. Well, it turns out that history didn't end, unfortunately. And we find ourselves in a

00:13:00.080 situation where we're spending ourselves into insanity. And just to put it in real terms for everybody,

00:13:06.440 we've committed and we've crunched the numbers and you can go to defundthewar.com. I think they're

00:13:12.540 going to get the numbers up if they're not there now. And people can go see this when they sign the

00:13:16.600 petition to defundthewar.com. $112 billion just last year. And I actually looked this up before we

00:13:22.900 came on, Charlie. It would cost $20 billion, $20 billion to man armed security and create

00:13:32.100 safe schools across the entire country right now here in the United States. And that's an issue

00:13:38.520 where, by the way, I think conservatives haven't been great on in terms of the way they respond to

00:13:43.280 school shootings like we just had here in Nashville at the Christian school there. We say, well, we need

00:13:47.140 to keep our guns. We need to keep our guns. And OK, I get that. But that's not what parents are

00:13:51.400 feeling right now. Parents are feeling, how are you keeping the kids safe?

00:13:53.980 Yeah, you should have armed guards in every school. I mean, and then somehow the other complaint that

00:13:59.560 we have and the other issue is so we care about the sovereignty of Ukraine while 5,000 people are

00:14:05.380 coming into our country every single day. I mean, $5 billion could secure our border. And yet we're

00:14:10.420 sending hundreds of billions of dollars abroad. And we have politicians in both political parties

00:14:15.260 that are supportive of it. It's an outrage. And so we should try to demand our leaders broker peace.

00:14:20.540 Why are we not talking about peace deals? Why is there not an active, relentless effort to try to

00:14:27.820 bring the parties together and say, stop killing each other, stop killing women and children and get

00:14:32.960 to a place of peace? Charlie, is there a financial element possibly, do you think, for some of our

00:14:38.520 political leaders to keeping the war going? I mean, I couldn't imagine that people could be making

00:14:42.840 money off of such a thing. Yeah, I mean, of course there is. I mean, there's Northup Grumman,

00:14:46.100 Lockheed Martin, there's Raytheon, there's Boeing, not to mention, I mean, this is some speculation,

00:14:53.200 but not too much speculation. We know the Biden family made a lot of money off of business

00:14:57.460 relationships with Ukraine, with Burisma and Hunter Biden. We don't know the extent,

00:15:02.320 we do not know the severity, but it seems as if all roads lead to Ukraine. And Jack,

00:15:05.940 you've talked about this before. In the first impeachment, it was all about Ukraine. It was all

00:15:11.020 about Ukraine. And so Ukraine just, it seems to be kind of the intersection of so much of the

00:15:17.100 national security, deep state interests of the corrupt foreign actors and money laundering

00:15:21.700 activities. And so, yeah, of course, I mean, there's a financial advantage to this, but you end

00:15:26.220 Afghanistan and six months later, you get a much higher stakes, potentially even more expensive war.

00:15:33.700 And for what? Why are we fighting Vladimir Putin? Like, why are we doing this? And I mean,

00:15:39.220 I asked the guy in the show, I said, so why is Russia a threat to the United States? He's like,

00:15:43.580 oh, well, their values are not ours because they put their political dissidents in prison.

00:15:49.180 Yeah. Okay. Well, we do that too. I mean, so, okay, why else do we hate them? I'm not a fan of

00:15:53.280 their, I think they're a bunch of thugs, but like, why are they a direct threat? There's a lot of 0.83

00:15:56.500 countries I don't like that I don't think we should go to war against. A lot of countries are not

00:16:00.040 exactly the form of government relations with Saudi Arabia for, no, let's just use a more

00:16:05.140 immediate example. I think Canada is like really totalitarian and awful. I don't think we should 0.91

00:16:08.740 go to war against Canada. I think that would be a mistake, right? I mean, yes, I'm just saying,

00:16:13.340 but like Saudi Arabia is like an easy example, but Canada is easier, right? It's right on our border.

00:16:18.100 They're super totalitarian and they're the worst on the trans stuff. Okay. I'm not calling for an 1.00

00:16:23.600 invasion of Canada or to fund some sort of proxy war against them. And they say, oh, it's not the same

00:16:28.440 because cold war. Exactly. You cannot defend it. And so the other argument that my friend and Salem

00:16:35.080 colleague, Sebastian Gorka would make is he says, well, it's their 1776 moment. No, it isn't. Okay.

00:16:41.700 First of all, 1776 moments are rare. And yes, the promise of 1776 is universal, but if you do not

00:16:49.680 have, in my opinion, the decades of work that go and led to 1776, you are not ready for self-government.

00:16:57.240 All people deserve self-government and everybody's ready for it. But even if it was their 1776 moment,

00:17:03.240 but it makes no sense if they already had a sovereign country before. So wait, they're,

00:17:08.360 they're defending against an invasion and that's their 1776 moment. Well, I mean, I just, it's not

00:17:13.840 even a good comparison. I can, I can even tease that out a little bit because, okay, so I guess in,

00:17:19.060 in, if you're going to use that comparison, you would say that, you know, basically the U S is like

00:17:22.820 the French. That's correct. So that is, that is the analogy that is, you know, supporting

00:17:27.140 the freedom fighters. But if you remember in the revolutionary war, you, you know, you just

00:17:32.920 mentioned Canada, there was an attempted invasion of Canada because at one point the continental army

00:17:38.080 was trying to take all of the British colonies, which included the colonies of which later became

00:17:43.880 Canada. This by the way, was led by none other than infamously by Benedict Arnold gender, 0.97

00:17:49.320 general Benedict Arnold, who later, you know, basically flip sides. He turned his code. He

00:17:54.540 viewed, he said that the continental army didn't give him support, et cetera, et cetera. But my point

00:17:59.080 is there was territory that was lost in that war that didn't make it into the new nation. There was

00:18:07.080 eventually a peace deal that was signed. Eventually it became what too expensive for the country that was

00:18:14.900 all the way across the ocean that was funding the army. So part of this, by the way, when you look

00:18:21.840 at the money flow of it and you just look at the simple geography of what's going on, we also kind

00:18:27.260 of share some of the cognates with the British empire. If you're going to go back to 1776 as well.

00:18:32.620 It's just, it's not, it's not a good comparison. And I think, and I mean this as respectfully as

00:18:38.180 possible to people that believe this, like my colleague and friend, Sebastian Gorka, I think it's,

00:18:43.120 I think it's preying on people's love and admiration of 1776 in America to have them fund

00:18:48.960 a war that is not the same thing. Right. I think, I think it's exactly right. It's a misrepresentation

00:18:53.240 of, it's a misrepresentation of the core narrative of America. It's, it's part of our, it's our origin

00:18:59.560 story, right? It is our founding origin story, our founding mythos, if you will. Yes. And using that

00:19:06.980 to say, therefore, right. I mean, you love this therefore, and if not, you're against our founding,

00:19:11.940 or you're somehow against 1776. Yeah. You're against our origin. So that's exactly right.

00:19:15.640 You're against our origin story. You're like, no, actually I'm for America. Okay. Like this,

00:19:18.220 this was, that would, by the way, that wasn't the first person to make this argument. If I remember

00:19:22.580 correctly was Thomas Jefferson, when he supported the French revolution and saying that the United,

00:19:27.060 the fledgling then at the time, American nation should also be supporting the French revolution,

00:19:31.840 which if I remember correctly, worked out really, really well for France.

00:19:35.000 Yeah. The French revolution was a masterclass in what happens when you try to recreate nature in 0.95

00:19:41.780 your image. There's a, there's a lot of lessons there, but yeah, to kind of summarize this all

00:19:45.140 together, we're doing this for a reason. First of all, I do not see other organizations, other groups

00:19:48.860 on the right or the left trying to call for a ceasefire. AOC, Ilhan Omar, they, they want this war.

00:19:55.860 It's, they don't dare speak out against it. You can, this has been such a frustrating moment,

00:20:00.720 Jack of just how cowardly and how weak both sides are on this. It's just, it's unacceptable. I mean,

00:20:08.500 Bernie Sanders forever has been against war and all this, and he's for this thing. It's just,

00:20:13.880 there's something about Putin that just makes them go absolutely nuts. And again, I'm not a fan of

00:20:19.540 Putin. I don't think he's a good person. I, I don't think he's someone that we should admire

00:20:23.460 or someone that we should lift up. I don't think it's someone that we should revere, but I also don't

00:20:27.460 want to go to war against him. I also think he could be helpful and that you, both those things

00:20:33.720 can be true simultaneously. That is what a mature people does, right? And so therefore you ask

00:20:40.620 yourself the question, what is best for America? Oh, the best thing should be to secure our own

00:20:44.380 border. Okay. That's pretty simple. And then what's the best for America and East Ukraine and the war 0.67

00:20:49.680 it is in the benefit of the West and all free people to end the war. The only people that benefit

00:20:57.420 from the war continuing are military defense, military defense contractors, power hungry

00:21:04.780 politicians. And that's about it. I mean, I don't even think Zelensky is benefiting from the war,

00:21:10.980 right? I, I, I don't know why he's, I think Zelensky just does whatever the CIA tells him to do,

00:21:15.460 but this should be an overwhelming call to end this because where this is headed, Jack is going

00:21:22.040 to be a five to 10 year, you know, war where you have like a month of heavy fighting and then a month

00:21:28.120 off and a month of heavy fighting and, you know, and Putin can grind this down and we want that to

00:21:33.220 happen. No, get involved in the sense of we're not going to supply weapons. This has been fun folks.

00:21:38.920 It's over. Why are we not bringing the Russian ambassador and the Ukrainian team in a room and

00:21:46.180 hammering out a deal, at least trying to do that. And don't send that little, you know, elevated

00:21:50.780 teenager, Emmanuel Macron, like that's not going to work. Okay. You send, send the French do anything 0.99

00:21:54.480 consequential. It's going to get messed up. He was, he was just laughed out of Beijing. No,

00:21:57.980 that, I mean, it's just a joke, right? Emmanuel Macron is sitting on like a 40 foot table with

00:22:02.080 Vladimir Putin, you know, for social distancing, trying to, as soon as that happened, I said,

00:22:05.800 Putin's invading like this, this whole thing's a farce, right? Um, it's going to take an American,

00:22:11.440 right? Not Biden. Um, and I mean, it could be, could be Trump actually this precedent for a

00:22:17.540 former president actually help an active president when Eisenhower came into the white house to help

00:22:21.300 JFK with the Cuban missile crisis. Interesting side of history that people don't know. Uh, but

00:22:25.340 that's not going to happen because of politics. This really is Charlie. This is, this shows the

00:22:28.960 difference between sort of the, the global outlook type of politics versus an America first

00:22:35.440 outlook on politics. It's not us saying that we're going to impose our values on the world and

00:22:40.420 we're going to make the world look like us or make it look like the way we want it to. It's just not

00:22:45.520 saying what's good for the American people first. I mean, trust me, you can go around the world and

00:22:50.740 find all sorts of problems. Yes. I mean, go to, go to Yemen. I mean, Yemen's not exactly a darling of

00:22:57.340 democracy. I mean, just go to Southeast Asia, go to Indonesia. Like they don't exactly have 0.97

00:23:02.280 religious freedom the way we would like it there. I mean, go to Central America. They got cartels

00:23:06.600 running their countries. Right. And so, I mean, yeah, there's a lot of problems in the world.

00:23:09.860 We're a broken, we're a broken being, the human being, we have original sin. And so it is not good

00:23:15.540 what's happening in Eastern Ukraine. I don't want Russia to win. I don't want, you know, them to be 1.00

00:23:19.940 successful. That's not the point. The point is I want America to win. I want us to win. We are not

00:23:24.720 winning in this current situation and our leaders are so corrupt and so weak. And they're so in this kind of 0.72

00:23:30.420 octogenarian mindset. Wow. Russia, Soviet union, cold war. Yeah. Actually that's not how we've got

00:23:37.220 about one minute left. Where can people go? Why should they go and sign this up? I think it's

00:23:42.160 defund the war.com. Is that right guys? Defund the war.com. Right. Yeah. Defund the war.com. Sign

00:23:47.860 the petition. We're going to keep on making noise about this. Any politician, any leader in any party

00:23:53.020 is welcome on our program. The mission of turning point USA is always educational. I hope we can educate

00:23:58.060 people on this and to get people to want to do something about it. I I'm deeply troubled and

00:24:03.580 worried about how much money we've spent, how much we've screwed up that region, how we are getting

00:24:07.860 closer to a permanent conflict and how our leaders have just completely turned their back on, you know,

00:24:14.000 what is best for America. So I hope we can do something to change that. That's exactly right.

00:24:18.220 Charlie Kirk, everyone, the founder, president of turning point USA, Charlie, before I go, got to say,

00:24:22.360 by the way, man, happy Easter. Happy Easter. He is risen. God bless you, Jack. Thank you. He is risen

00:24:26.860 indeed. God bless. Ladies and gentlemen, the website is defund the war.com. As always,

00:24:32.960 you have my permission to lay short.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - April 07, 2023

EPISODE 439： WHY IS THE US FUNDING THE UKRAINE WAR？ W⧸ CHARLIE KIRK

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