Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - May 15, 2023


EPISODE 471： DEATH OF THE RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE

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death of right to self-defense veterans protests
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Daniel Penny Daniel Perry Sergeant Bear Bernie Getz George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin George Floyd Jordan Neely Nick Salmon Kyle Rittenhouse Garrett Foster Michael Brown Andrew Lester Patriot Supply Rudy Giuliani Barack Obama Ralph Yarl Karl Marx Tim Pool Abbott and 8 more
SUNDAY SPECIAL WITH RAHEEM KASSAM EPISODE 472： WE MUST STOP IGNORING THE MIGRANT CRISIS IN AMERICA

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The man seen in video putting a homeless man in a fatal chokehold on a New York City train has been charged with manslaughter nearly two weeks after the encounter. Daniel Penny, a Marine veteran, is out on $100,000 bond after an arraignment this morning.

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00:00:26.660 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily,
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00:00:33.380 Today is May 15th, 2023.
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00:00:36.340 Today's story here on Human Events Daily.
00:00:39.820 This show is all going to be about the death of the right to self-defense in America.
00:00:46.480 First up, we're going to cover the case of Daniel Penny, all the updates.
00:00:51.120 Second, all the updates in the case of Daniel Perry.
00:00:54.320 That's the one in Austin, Texas.
00:00:55.980 And then finally, the right to self-defense then and now.
00:01:00.200 How do we get here?
00:01:01.040 All this and we're ahead to Human Events Daily.
00:01:02.380 The man seen in video putting a homeless man in a fatal chokehold on a New York City train
00:01:19.020 has been now charged with manslaughter nearly two weeks after the encounter.
00:01:23.660 Daniel Penny, a Marine veteran, is out on $100,000 bond after an arraignment this morning.
00:01:28.860 He did not enter a plea.
00:01:30.920 Prosecutors say they are seeking a grand jury indictment.
00:01:34.040 His lawyers say Penny stepped in to protect himself and other passengers from Jordan Neely,
00:01:39.260 who they say was aggressively threatening passengers, and Penny never intended to harm him.
00:01:44.440 All right, Jack Posobiec in.
00:01:46.400 So, as you can see, I am now firmly ensconced in the Human Events Daily chair, back from a couple of weeks on the road,
00:01:57.360 finally back to the glorious United States of America.
00:02:01.360 And yes, even under the current liberal government of the globalist American empire,
00:02:07.600 that doesn't mean you cut and run.
00:02:09.700 That doesn't mean you give up.
00:02:11.740 You have to stand and fight for as long as it takes to win your country back.
00:02:17.300 And we're going to win our country back.
00:02:18.800 And so, today I wanted to do a show all about the death of the right to self-defense in America.
00:02:26.560 And I wanted to go through a couple of cases that we've seen in the headlines right now
00:02:31.560 that are extremely hot, as well as go through and explain some of the cases that we've seen in the past
00:02:37.080 that brought us to this moment.
00:02:40.820 Basically, here's what's going on.
00:02:42.600 The left for years in the U.S. had wanted to ban guns
00:02:48.280 and wanted to take away the ability of the right to self-defense for anybody.
00:02:54.620 However, because they kept losing elections, because opinions never really went with them on this issue,
00:03:00.340 they couldn't get to the point where they could actually ban guns.
00:03:02.780 So, what did they do instead?
00:03:05.240 Well, they got to the point, and I'm not saying, obviously, there wasn't a gun used in all these cases,
00:03:08.460 but this is part and parcel, so let me explain.
00:03:11.580 Because they couldn't get rid of guns, they said they're going to get rid of the right to self-defense.
00:03:19.120 So, whether or not you use a gun is immaterial to them.
00:03:23.340 They're going to take away your ability to use a gun to defend yourself, to defend your home,
00:03:28.180 to defend your family, to defend others,
00:03:29.780 and they're going to take away the right of you to physically defend yourself or defend others.
00:03:36.180 That's what we're seeing go on now and play out in these cases,
00:03:39.260 whether it be New York City, New York, whether it be Austin, Texas,
00:03:43.160 whether it be anywhere in the country, Kenosha, Wisconsin, obviously.
00:03:47.060 They are taking away this right because they know that in order to fully destabilize a country,
00:03:54.720 you have to enable criminals.
00:03:58.160 You have to enable the criminal element in society.
00:04:01.500 The element that Marx even referred to as the Lumpen Proles.
00:04:06.200 The Lumpen Proles.
00:04:08.080 This was something that even Karl Marx himself said that there is a class that is beyond,
00:04:14.060 you know, the aristocracy and the working class.
00:04:17.280 There is an underclass of criminals, people who, for lack of a better term,
00:04:23.820 belong in institutional facilities, whether that be prison, whether that be mental health.
00:04:32.020 That's a judgment call.
00:04:33.420 But the point of the matter is there's always going to be a certain class that should be,
00:04:39.280 shall we say, otherwise observed and best kept away from polite and public society.
00:04:48.200 And certainly, as we can see, that Jordan Neely, even I don't even have to say this.
00:04:53.960 Jordan Neely was on lists from social workers as being in the top what they called it,
00:04:59.080 the top 50 in New York City of people that were not, that they already knew shouldn't be
00:05:08.000 in contact with anyone in public.
00:05:11.100 They knew this.
00:05:12.320 And of course, the New York Times, Vice, they're freaking out.
00:05:14.320 There's a Daniel Penny, Daniel Penny.
00:05:16.300 How can the right, they're treating him like Kyle Rittenhouse.
00:05:18.940 They're supporting, that's right, we are supporting him.
00:05:20.480 And Tim Pool, my boy Tim Pool, came around.
00:05:23.620 Originally, he was saying, don't donate to Penny.
00:05:25.940 Now Tim's in.
00:05:27.560 And Tim went in big.
00:05:29.080 He came in for 20 G's for Daniel Perry, excuse me, Daniel Penny.
00:05:33.660 All right, it's a very simulation-y that the names are almost exactly identical.
00:05:38.140 But Daniel Penny, his Give, Send, Go, which by the way, you have to be using Give, Send, Go.
00:05:43.200 Do never use GoFundMe for anything conservative.
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00:05:49.060 So Give, Send, Go, now up to over $2 million.
00:05:53.560 And you've seen so many people supporting this, so many people getting in on this case.
00:05:57.720 I love, you love to see it.
00:05:58.760 Because I remember Nick Salmon.
00:06:00.180 And Nick Salmon, which was just a couple of years ago, and I remember conservatives originally did not support Nick Salmon.
00:06:06.920 And don't want to let anyone change the history on that, because I remember when conservatives originally did not support Nick Salmon.
00:06:12.880 Now we're seeing the absolute opposite on all of this, where conservatives are willing to actually stand up and fight back to the media narrative rather than go in with it.
00:06:22.640 So what's the case update with Daniel Penny?
00:06:24.900 He is awaiting the next phase of the case.
00:06:29.300 He has been arraigned, but he is currently out.
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00:07:27.980 Well, three years after Foster was killed, a two-week trial with countless hours of jury
00:07:32.780 deliberation and a month since that murder conviction, all leading to this moment.
00:07:38.380 The state did ask that Perry get at least 25 years behind bars.
00:07:42.980 Perry's attorneys say, though, this is not the end for him.
00:07:46.260 We will appeal this verdict.
00:07:49.840 While we respect the court greatly, we can't agree that Daniel Perry received a fair trial.
00:07:57.060 Everyone is completely devastated.
00:07:59.340 The Travis County District Attorney feels as if justice has been served.
00:08:02.760 Our criminal justice system is not perfect.
00:08:07.440 But in this case, it worked exactly as it should.
00:08:10.680 The appeals process is expected to take over a year.
00:08:13.820 And Perry's attorneys say they are planning on sending any information that they think will
00:08:17.520 help Perry to the board of pardons and paroles.
00:08:21.200 Remember, they are currently reviewing his case.
00:08:23.600 Now, the Daniel Perry case.
00:08:26.060 This was a case that actually took place all the way back in the summer of 2020 during the
00:08:32.620 George Floyd riots.
00:08:35.020 And believe it or not, this one actually happened before the Kyle Rittenhouse case.
00:08:39.820 Uh, the Kyle Rittenhouse incident took place in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
00:08:43.360 Now, originally we had planned to have Daniel Perry's lawyer on today.
00:08:49.200 And unfortunately he was not able to join us because he was called into court this morning.
00:08:53.820 Human events daily.
00:08:54.700 We are working to get him on later in the week if he does have availability.
00:08:58.620 But I wanted to give everyone an update on that case specifically.
00:09:02.880 Daniel Perry, that same U.S.
00:09:05.840 Army sergeant, again, who drew his firearm after being stopped by a crowd, a mob of BLM 0.97
00:09:18.040 rioters, activists, anarchists in the middle of the road in Austin, Texas, stopped his car
00:09:27.780 after making a legal turn on a right turn only lane that he was in to traffic that night
00:09:36.960 was surrounded.
00:09:38.380 He had people pounding on his vehicle and then ultimately, tragically, unfortunately,
00:09:45.980 he had an individual named Garrett Foster, who was a crazed pro BLM gunman who was open
00:09:54.760 carrying an AR, excuse me, an AK-47 in the middle of the street, blocking traffic, completely
00:10:02.860 illegal, by the way, who then threatened him with his AK-47, tons of ammo on him at the
00:10:11.860 time, and that even local media admitted he gestured, gestured to Daniel Perry with his
00:10:23.740 AK-47, gestured.
00:10:27.660 Yeah, if you gesture at someone with a loaded AK-47, that's called you're threatening someone
00:10:34.100 with your rifle.
00:10:36.080 And so Daniel Perry took steps to defend himself, pulled the trigger and fired, killing Garrett
00:10:43.920 Foster, then sped away.
00:10:45.300 He was just sentenced to 25 years in jail.
00:10:53.020 And as we currently record this, he is in prison right now.
00:10:59.360 And his lawyers are working very hard to get him out of there.
00:11:04.600 Now, he was an army veteran, drove Uber on the side to make some extra money.
00:11:08.540 35 years old, 25 years in prison for this.
00:11:18.220 And this is Texas, mind you, Texas.
00:11:19.940 Now, keep in mind, Austin, extremely blue jurisdiction right there in the heart of Texas, which we know
00:11:27.660 is a red state.
00:11:28.400 So the situation that we're looking into, Governor Abbott has stated that he intends to pardon
00:11:37.640 Daniel Perry.
00:11:39.000 But we need to understand that the way the pardon process works in Texas is different than it
00:11:44.280 works in other states.
00:11:45.100 In other states or at the federal level, the governor can unilaterally pardon someone.
00:11:49.840 The president can unilaterally pardon someone.
00:11:52.280 And the pardon power, at least at the federal level, is considered a plenary power of the
00:11:57.820 president under the U.S. Constitution.
00:12:00.100 What does that mean?
00:12:01.880 That means it is absolute.
00:12:04.360 That means that it cannot be overturned by the president, can't be overturned by the Supreme
00:12:08.800 Court, et cetera, et cetera.
00:12:10.120 However, in Texas, the way it works is that the parole board has to recommend a pardon to
00:12:17.840 the governor, and then the governor is able to decide yes or no.
00:12:21.580 Abbott has already stated that he will say yes.
00:12:24.260 So as we are waiting for this parole board to deliver their report to Abbott, Perry's
00:12:30.600 not waiting.
00:12:31.580 He's already behind bars.
00:12:33.200 So what's the deal, Texas?
00:12:35.000 Are you going to get involved?
00:12:36.800 Because I see people donating millions and millions of dollars to Daniel Perry as, excuse
00:12:42.040 me, Daniel Penny, I keep doing that, Daniel Penny as they should.
00:12:46.220 But what about Daniel Perry?
00:12:49.020 We're not going to forget this case.
00:12:50.640 We're not going to forget the fact that he is behind bars for defending himself.
00:12:55.000 And look at this.
00:12:56.140 Both cases, the people involved were veterans.
00:13:01.140 Where's the veterans community on this?
00:13:04.000 Where are all the, you know, the base?
00:13:06.320 Oh, I'm a vet.
00:13:07.200 I'm going to stand down.
00:13:08.060 I'm going to protest.
00:13:08.920 Where's the Marines?
00:13:09.820 Where's the army in terms of this?
00:13:11.820 Both of these guys, Penny and Perry, Marine Penny, and then Sergeant Perry down in Austin,
00:13:20.060 Texas.
00:13:21.000 Have you heard of any national veterans organizations?
00:13:24.620 What about all them pro veteran, you know, professional veterans with their podcasts with
00:13:30.800 their?
00:13:31.000 No, I am also a veteran with the podcast, but you know what I mean?
00:13:34.420 You know what I mean?
00:13:35.380 Not this is a news show, news analysis, geopolitics.
00:13:39.460 You know what I mean, though, in terms of those like professional veteran guys, the ones
00:13:44.420 that really wear it on their sleeve that, hey, man, I served.
00:13:48.580 I served and you should listen to what I have to say.
00:13:51.560 Okay, great.
00:13:53.020 So where are you when it matters?
00:13:54.860 Where are you when it matters for these guys?
00:13:57.220 Because I see a lot of people stepping up.
00:13:59.540 I don't see a lot of those people stepping up.
00:14:01.240 You know why?
00:14:02.260 Because it's controversial.
00:14:04.580 They're going to say, oh, you don't want to be controversial.
00:14:06.740 No, no, no, no, no.
00:14:08.220 You want to be careful.
00:14:10.040 You want to, you want to very carefully, you know, get involved in things.
00:14:14.740 You don't want to get too involved in something that's going to cause trouble.
00:14:17.660 It's going to cause problems.
00:14:19.640 It's going to ruffle feathers.
00:14:21.520 So Texas, get your act together.
00:14:24.020 Pardon this man.
00:14:24.900 He's behind bars right now.
00:14:26.180 The veterans community, I got to say, and I'm not talking, by the way, about all veterans.
00:14:30.460 I'm talking about the professional veterans and veteran organizations.
00:14:33.960 You should be standing up for these guys.
00:14:35.860 And I haven't seen it.
00:14:36.960 And that's a problem.
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00:15:54.380 It is Christmas Eve in New York, and the talk of the town is not peace on earth,
00:15:57.840 but the violence among us, this time in the subways,
00:16:00.080 where a vigilante and his gun brought terror this past weekend.
00:16:03.860 The victims were four teenagers.
00:16:05.540 Eyewitness News has been on top of this story from the very start of it.
00:16:08.500 And tonight, we have team coverage as police press their search for the vigilante.
00:16:11.980 We begin with Milton Lewis, who spent this day riding with people
00:16:15.120 who trust their lives to the subways every day.
00:16:17.880 I think he did right. 0.93
00:16:19.340 By shooting these guys. 0.67
00:16:20.460 Sure, they tried to mug him. 0.91
00:16:22.880 I think what he did was completely wrong.
00:16:25.240 I mean, I think I'm a law student.
00:16:27.840 I think he was, you know, protecting himself.
00:16:29.820 This is around the Christmas holiday.
00:16:31.260 You got to look out for yourself.
00:16:33.220 Bernhard Goetz left New Hampshire this morning at 9.30.
00:16:36.440 He arrived here in New York this afternoon and was driven straight to Central Booking,
00:16:41.020 where the press was waiting behind barricades.
00:16:43.640 The security was tight.
00:16:45.400 The crowds were sparse.
00:16:47.140 What do you think about the fact that he's come back to New York?
00:16:49.260 Do you feel he's coming back as a criminal?
00:16:50.820 I think he's a good man.
00:16:51.720 I think he's a good man.
00:16:52.640 He wants to show the public, look, I did it and I'll pay the price.
00:16:55.920 But I had to defend my life at that instance, in that moment.
00:16:58.900 So, Bernie Goetz.
00:17:01.660 Now, a lot of people might know that name, but some people might not.
00:17:07.540 When we were doing the pre-planning for this show, we found that, you know, I was asking
00:17:11.820 people around it just randomly.
00:17:13.220 And some people said, yeah, I've heard of Bernie Goetz.
00:17:14.720 And other people said, no, not really.
00:17:16.360 So, who was Bernie Goetz?
00:17:18.200 Bernie Goetz was a guy who came out in the 1980s and was, he had been mugged a couple
00:17:25.720 of times in the past.
00:17:26.980 He bought a gun for protection and basically had that on him on the subway in New York in
00:17:37.560 the 1980s.
00:17:38.220 Keep in mind, this is pre-Giuliani, New York.
00:17:40.800 He was then attempted to be mugged again by four individuals, and he was able to defend
00:17:51.240 himself against all four of them with his firearm.
00:17:54.860 Did not kill any of the assailants, by the way.
00:17:57.200 They all lived.
00:17:58.500 He was then brought up on charges of four counts of attempted murder, four counts of assault,
00:18:05.040 reckless endangerment, third degree criminal possession of a weapon, and fourth degree criminal
00:18:09.140 possession of a weapon.
00:18:09.960 He was found guilty of possession of a weapon, criminal possession of a weapon, but not guilty
00:18:18.480 on all other charges, not guilty on all other charges.
00:18:24.720 And so that was the verdict.
00:18:26.380 He did end up serving eight months, but he was found not guilty of murder because of this,
00:18:33.440 because they found that he had a legal right to self-defense.
00:18:35.940 That was New York in the 1980s.
00:18:37.860 We all know what happened about a decade later.
00:18:41.080 Rudy Giuliani gets elected mayor.
00:18:43.420 His pro-social, I would say, pro-social anti-crime policies, also known as the broken crime theory,
00:18:51.120 excuse me, broken windows theory, really set the standard for what New York turned into in
00:18:57.160 the later 90s, throughout the 2000s, as just being this incredible hub once again of new
00:19:04.720 business turned Times Square into almost like an amusement park.
00:19:08.680 It was so nice.
00:19:09.380 And it's only been since the recent five, four or five years that New York City has gotten
00:19:16.780 so bad again and gone completely down the tube.
00:19:19.900 So that's 1984.
00:19:21.020 Then let's also remember what George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.
00:19:24.860 Of course, we remember this from the Obama administration, Barack Obama saying that Trayvon
00:19:30.060 Martin could have been my son.
00:19:33.960 Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman.
00:19:37.560 George Zimmerman had been looking out for potential burglar in the area, neighborhood watch situation.
00:19:42.800 That was in the Orlando, Florida area, 2012.
00:19:46.840 Zimmerman defended himself when Martin attacked him.
00:19:49.560 He was ultimately acquitted.
00:19:51.700 Michael Brown and police officer Daniel Wilson, Ferguson, Missouri, 2014.
00:19:57.500 Michael Brown at the time had been referred to as the gentle giant.
00:20:00.560 Between those two incidents, by the way, Trayvon Martin in 2014, that led to the birth of Black Lives
00:20:07.840 Matter, which really led to George Floyd, which led to the Floyd riots, the Floyd riots, which
00:20:14.320 sparked, of course, the case of Kyle Rittenhouse, which then took place in Kenosha, Wisconsin
00:20:20.000 in 2020.
00:20:21.120 And I would say also took what sparked the Daniel Perry case that we also saw in Austin, Texas.
00:20:26.600 And then most recently, the case that's still ongoing.
00:20:31.440 So this is a case that hasn't even been concluded yet.
00:20:33.940 But that, of course, was the case of Andrew Lester and Ralph Yarl in Kansas City, Missouri,
00:20:39.400 just a couple of weeks ago, where we saw Andrew Lester was an old man at home in the dead of
00:20:46.560 night.
00:20:46.820 He said that he was woken up by a an individual, a large man from all he could see, again, from
00:20:54.120 his perspective, who was trying to get into his house.
00:20:58.340 We later found out that it was a case of a mistaken address.
00:21:03.640 And Ralph Yarl was trying to open this guy's door, but it turned out that he wasn't trying
00:21:08.260 to break in.
00:21:09.340 He was trying to open the door because he thought that's where his brother or his two brothers
00:21:13.400 were and he was trying to pick them up.
00:21:15.020 So, again, a case that is still currently on the books and currently working its way through
00:21:20.920 the legal process in Missouri.
00:21:23.120 And so when we look at all these cases, Bernie Getz, George Zimmerman, Michael Brown, Kyle
00:21:28.960 Rittenhouse, and we're still literally the jury's still out and Andrew Lester, we understand
00:21:33.740 that these were cases that in each of these instances.
00:21:37.560 Now, when someone's killed, should they be brought to trial?
00:21:41.220 Right.
00:21:41.400 That's a great example.
00:21:43.000 And I do think it makes sense in a lot of cases when someone is killed that you want
00:21:48.880 there to be a public inquiry.
00:21:50.660 Of course, there needs to be an investigation.
00:21:52.260 But when you look at some of these, when you look at Kyle Rittenhouse, for example,
00:21:57.680 we had video from day one of that case.
00:22:02.200 We knew what was going on with Perry and with Penny.
00:22:05.680 In these cases, it's all on video.
00:22:08.120 This is the biggest difference between a lot of these cases as to what's happening now versus
00:22:12.620 Ferguson versus George Zimmerman versus Bernie Getz.
00:22:17.120 Actually, in the Lester case, believe it or not, even though that is a current case,
00:22:20.180 it is not on video because although there were video cameras on the property, they were later
00:22:27.100 determined to be non-functional or the hard drive wasn't hooked up or something.
00:22:30.960 So we didn't actually in the police department tried to get video out of them and said, you
00:22:34.920 know, the cameras were just kind of for show, sort of a security precaution.
00:22:38.220 And so we have video of these cases now.
00:22:41.100 So the Kyle Rittenhouse case never should have been brought because we have it on video.
00:22:43.960 The Penny case never should have been brought because, again, we can see on video this was
00:22:49.240 an individual who was threatening other subway riders, was threatening specifically Penny
00:22:56.520 himself and others.
00:22:58.640 And Penny decided to defend not just his own life, but the lives of everybody on that subway.
00:23:03.300 And in doing so, it unfortunately led to the tragic devise of Mr. Neely.
00:23:09.720 In every single one of these cases, we can see someone who is using self-defense.
00:23:18.200 And now we may not like it, but unfortunately, folks, we live in a real world.
00:23:24.560 One of the biggest differences between conservatives and progressives is the belief in human nature.
00:23:32.200 Why is a progressive called a progressive?
00:23:33.980 Because they believe that human nature can be evolved, can progress beyond its current
00:23:40.900 state, that people can evolve beyond human nature, that human nature can be perfected and
00:23:45.900 uplifted into a new, evolved, higher, enlightened standard.
00:23:51.980 Yeah, that's not the case.
00:23:53.500 Open a history book.
00:23:54.980 Humans have always been this way.
00:23:56.760 When you read the Bible, you can see from thousands and thousands of years ago, going all
00:24:01.240 the way back to Cain and Abel, humans always have a propensity for violence.
00:24:09.040 And if Abel had wanted to defend himself against Cain and killing him in that field all those
00:24:16.820 years ago, he would have had the right to self-defense in order to do so.
00:24:22.320 Because the right to self-defense is the positive expression of the right to life.
00:24:27.760 And if you have a right to live, then you ought to have a right to defend it.
00:24:34.340 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.