Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - May 29, 2023


EPISODE 483: WHY ARE CHURCH LEADERS SILENT AS THE FAR-LEFT MARCHES? WITH FRANK PAVONE


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On Memorial Day, we remember those who fought and gave all their all for this country. But the fight for our country doesn t just take place on the battlefield anymore. It takes place in the trenches, in the front lines, and in the parishes.

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00:00:30.000 well ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard to a very special memorial day edition of human events
00:00:44.820 daily now memorial day is important because on memorial day we remember those who fought and gave
00:00:51.540 all their all for this country and that's why we need memorial day and veterans day but the fight
00:00:58.840 for our country doesn't just take place on the battlefield anymore because i think a lot of us
00:01:04.540 realize and a lot of us believe that this fight isn't just taking place in the physical world it's
00:01:11.180 also taking place on a spiritual level because we are seeing spiritual warfare now the kind of spiritual
00:01:19.140 warfare that exists between good and evil now we strive to be on the side of the good and fight back
00:01:26.780 against those trying to destabilize society those trying to target children those trying to target
00:01:32.180 women those trying to target marriage frank pavone the national director of priests for life
00:01:39.200 someone who's been in the trenches in the front lines who's taken his fair share of shrapnel and
00:01:46.680 incoming but is still fighting frank pavone thank you so much for finally joining us here human events daily
00:01:52.220 hey jack thank you for the work you do uh you know it's great to be connected with you on uh
00:01:56.940 on these broadcasts and social media and sometimes in person we get a chance to be in the same place
00:02:01.740 at the same time but i've always appreciated your work and uh certainly great to join you today
00:02:06.300 well thank you i appreciate that so maybe you can help me because you've been you've been up close to
00:02:11.860 this situation look we know what the left is pushing we know what planned parenthood and mart sanger and
00:02:17.900 their agenda and the eugenics and depopulation it's we know what that is my question is though
00:02:23.020 why does it feel like and and people would see this you know even me for my family we go to church
00:02:28.860 and i'm not trying to call out my parish or anything but you go to church and and you you get these
00:02:34.460 sermons about oh i was uh stuck in traffic or oh i was uh you know checking out at a grocery store it's
00:02:40.760 like why do they not what why does it feel like they're not willing to address some of the major issues
00:02:46.680 that the church and that our country is facing today they really aren't uh let me get get at this
00:02:53.940 from the perspective of my ministry uh you know for 30 years i've been heading up this priest for life
00:02:59.100 group and as the title suggests you know we're trying to activate the leaders to be leaders
00:03:05.080 particularly on the abortion issue but that intersects with this whole host of other uh issues that the
00:03:10.960 left is pushing in one direction and the church frankly is pushing in the opposite direction or is
00:03:16.600 supposed to be so we have been a uh really a reform movement within the church uh we took our cue but
00:03:24.120 from dr bernard nathanson who as you know uh founded the abortion industry in america and you know what
00:03:29.960 he said when he became pro-life and he related his strategy and he said he said essentially our strategy
00:03:36.160 was to silence and divide the catholic church to divide the leadership from the grassroots people to
00:03:42.600 to make people think that the catholic position was bigoted and irrelevant and really to to cower the
00:03:48.620 clergy into silence now this is why dr nathanson was such a an encouragement to me for our work because
00:03:55.640 he said if we had gotten the clergy uh to speak up at the time that he and his associates were building
00:04:03.280 the abortion industry he said they would have never gotten away with what they did so we have now a
00:04:10.400 situation where it looks like not only silence from the clergy but active collaboration with the other
00:04:18.420 side and and people might might might say well how can that possibly be the experience i've had is that
00:04:25.900 you've got a lot of let's just talk about priests for the moment a lot of them eager and willing to
00:04:32.380 speak up they would be in agreement with everything that that you and i are are saying as as we speak to the
00:04:38.260 public and yet when they try they are told by their bishops or their religious superiors
00:04:46.040 to tone it down or to shut up i can't tell you how many times uh priests have come to me and they've
00:04:53.660 said listen we love your work we get your your your sermon tips we we we we look at your prayers that
00:05:00.620 you provide for the parishes we love the projects that you're doing and then they say to me we wish we
00:05:06.540 could do more but we'd get in trouble with our bishop if we did so and it's like you sit back and say
00:05:14.860 and even some of the bishops i've written and dealt with with the bishops on on the abortion issue
00:05:20.580 suggesting to them a project or or an extra initiative and they have come to me privately
00:05:26.680 so often and said hey frank this is great stuff uh this is thank you for sending us this thank you for
00:05:33.400 doing this and then some weeks later i get a an official letter from them saying oh i'm sorry we
00:05:40.840 can't really collaborate on this this is too political or this is too divisive or we can't
00:05:45.860 really do this or that and it's almost like you've got courageous priests and bishops who are like this
00:05:52.260 they're trapped in a system that is telling them be quiet there's more here than meets the eye
00:05:59.720 and i i've i mean i've been dealing with this for 30 years i've come to the conclusion that this is
00:06:05.680 the case uh but i don't even fully understand what all the dynamics here are that are at work but it's
00:06:12.340 pretty clear you know we've got a a system of intimidation going on here within the within the
00:06:18.460 church i think you're right and i've heard people refer to it uh when we talk on the war room we call it
00:06:23.580 the the deep church sometimes and it feels like uh that if if you're saying oh well we're pro if
00:06:29.880 you're if you're extolling the position of the church which is the position of the church last
00:06:33.640 time i checked uh that we are pro-life and and that's a perfect example there's other issues as
00:06:38.520 well whether it be same-sex marriage uh whether it be divorce whether it be other things that uh the
00:06:43.500 church has will occasionally say okay that's fine state your position state the position but if you
00:06:48.600 actually step up and start doing something that's putting uh i guess in the in in in the political
00:06:56.280 world we'd say putting points on the board if you're moving the needle if you're out there gaining
00:07:01.100 traction if you're organizing like you are suddenly those time those are the people that all of a sudden
00:07:07.860 uh the gears of power and got about a minute left until the break but it feels like the gears of power
00:07:13.240 start slowly targeting those people who are becoming activated who are organizing who are gaining
00:07:19.120 momentum to actually try to get them to slow down or in other cases if they go too far to actually
00:07:25.440 completely arrest them in their tracks it's so contrary to what scripture says you know saint paul
00:07:32.600 says stirring to flame the gift that has been given you by the laying on of hands by the holy spirit
00:07:37.180 that's what church leaders are supposed to be doing encouraging each other encouraging uh those who are in the
00:07:42.720 trenches giving them their blessing and saying you keep going you keep speaking you keep organizing uh
00:07:48.600 that's what we have to pray that our leaders will do uh stir up into flame the gifts that god gives to
00:07:54.680 his people to do this work i mean i'd love to hear it let's let's get the rousing homily every you know
00:08:02.060 every sunday go out there and you will fight the evil one saint michael the archangel will be there with you
00:08:08.600 you give me one one guy who does i guarantee that parish is going to be filled every single sunday
00:08:16.320 when you have them coming back right back we gotta take a quick break here with frank pavone the national
00:08:20.920 director of priest for life all right we are back with frank pavone the national director of priest for
00:08:28.240 life you know frank it it reminds me a lot of like even political leaders right for so many years
00:08:34.600 political leaders refused even conservative leaders and conservative presidents refused to speak at the
00:08:40.820 march for life and president donald j trump and i was there with my mother uh when he came and was the
00:08:46.040 first president to ever speak at a march for life i actually came there again or wait i might be getting
00:08:52.940 my dates mixed up because i know i heard my mother once but i also went there uh with when he spoke once
00:08:58.280 with my pregnant wife when she was pregnant with our first son so that would have been 2018 so actually
00:09:04.880 i think i was there yeah i was there with tanya tay when she was pregnant but it was amazing to me so
00:09:08.620 you know and i've been going to the march for life since i was in school and uh to be there at that point
00:09:15.780 where it occurred to me because you know we live in dc so i wasn't thinking of it this way here i am now
00:09:20.180 full circle where i've got a wife and a child on the way and we're here still continuing this fight
00:09:26.120 now with skin in the game uh and finally you've got a leader who's willing to step up and then
00:09:31.800 eventually of course it led to roe v wade being overturned that you see this kind of pervasive
00:09:36.860 mentality or and maybe you can explain it better to me why do these leaders not want to follow
00:09:44.780 scripture why don't they want to follow the words of saint paul i mean keep in mind that you know they
00:09:49.720 say oh we might get in trouble if we pushed you far uh last time i checked the apostles got into
00:09:54.580 a little bit of trouble in their ministry back when they did and they didn't seem to have any
00:09:59.940 problem with stirring up a little issue when they did it you know for for a large part of the early
00:10:06.100 years of my ministry it was oh we're going to lose our tax-exempt status you know and they've been
00:10:11.220 using that less because of course we have more evidence now than ever you know that churches who
00:10:18.360 have challenged that johnson amendment which many consider unconstitutional to begin with
00:10:23.060 uh have not experienced any any negative consequences and uh not only that but uh you
00:10:28.700 know when president trump was in office one of the first things he did was he said we're not going to
00:10:32.940 silence the churches uh we want the clergy to speak up so here you have a president of the united states
00:10:39.440 encouraging the clergy to speak up more than a lot of bishops do but now they've gone over into a into a
00:10:46.000 a mindset of and i have letters from bishops that they've sent out to their priests that literally
00:10:52.460 say the following imagine how somebody can can can can can fulfill this advice they say we must not speak
00:10:58.920 or preach about anything that will cause anger or division among god's people let's stop and think about
00:11:06.800 that for a minute how on earth is somebody supposed to be faithful to the gospel
00:11:11.420 and fulfill that kind of of a mandate first of all we can't control whether a person is going to be
00:11:19.540 upset or angry or not a lot of that is subjective our fidelity has to be to the word preaching the word
00:11:25.700 that the people have a right to it's not a favor to them for us to preach the full message of the of
00:11:31.640 the gospel and of the church it's their right to hear it and furthermore we're accountable to the
00:11:37.420 word it's not the other way around so it's a um it's a massive and i think it's an intergenerational
00:11:43.820 uh uh climate that we have of created here of both fear and of a really of a bad bad pastoral
00:11:52.540 theology it's with pastoral theology they'll agree with the teaching in and of itself you know whether
00:11:57.360 it's on abortion or marriage or family okay oh yes we acknowledge that teaching but it's pastoral
00:12:02.600 theology that somehow we have to be liked in order to be successful somehow we have to be popular in
00:12:07.400 order to be successful somehow we have to get people to be our friends first and then we can
00:12:13.180 preach to them the gospel no that's not what we've received from from christ and from the apostles
00:12:17.900 it's preach the gospel and the gospel itself will have a transformative power the word itself will be
00:12:24.260 able to bring people along to where they need to be and and i think part of this is that that many
00:12:30.040 many church leaders have literally lost confidence in the power of that word to change the people
00:12:37.220 i think you're right because i i hear this um the one guy i always go back and forth with him on
00:12:42.420 twitter this uh uh father james martin who's who's in complete good standing never any issues with this
00:12:47.520 guy but he'll he will go and say things about uh the lg particularly the lgbt movement um particularly
00:12:55.240 even children and he'll say well god created you the way you are god created you and god doesn't make
00:13:02.300 mistakes and this this type of completely false theology that i hear it from father james martin
00:13:09.620 sj but i can't seem to find it anywhere in the actual gospel what i hear and what i read in the
00:13:14.780 gospel is go and sin no more well you know jack consider this i often bring this up in my talks
00:13:20.720 jesus christ himself said my teaching is not my own i teach what i hear from the father and then when
00:13:28.540 he promised the holy spirit um and uh and he said the father will send the spirit i will send the
00:13:35.980 spirit he said he will not speak on his own but we'll hand on to you what he hears from me so if
00:13:42.780 the second and third persons of the blessed trinity don't even create their own teachings how is it that
00:13:50.080 any of us like james martin or anybody else or even even popes and and cardinals can presume
00:13:56.360 that we have anything to say about editing the message making it more palatable or anything like
00:14:03.600 that sure we always have to to humbly learn the message better find better ways of communicating
00:14:08.860 it absolutely uh but we don't have any editorial power over the gospel and some of these people seem
00:14:14.140 to think they do uh not all not even jesus and the holy spirit do that's exactly right because what when
00:14:21.240 they when they they say oh we're being inclusive we're being welcoming and and then they'll come
00:14:25.700 out and say well we need to be tolerant well you know what though tolerance is not a christian
00:14:31.100 virtue you can read the bible cover to cover you can read the gospel as many times you want
00:14:34.840 you will never ever find jesus saying that he was tolerant you can't tolerate sin the idea is that
00:14:42.540 you are supposed to be in a struggle against sin and yet when i hear these church leaders it's all
00:14:48.340 it's all inclusivity and diversity and inclusion and and tolerance which i'm sorry it ain't there
00:14:54.820 you know it's it's the prophet jeremiah in chapter 7 when he warns about the prophets who say
00:15:00.160 peace peace when there is no peace uh you know you can look and look at scripture and you can see god
00:15:05.980 as the source of unity uh jesus says when i'm lifted up from the earth i will draw all people to
00:15:10.880 myself but you can also see god as the great divider uh from the first page of the bible to the last
00:15:16.240 right at the beginning god speaks he creates but then what does it say in genesis right away it says
00:15:21.160 he divided the light from the darkness and then he separated the waters above the heavens from those
00:15:27.120 below and then as salvation history goes on you got elijah the prophet standing in front of the people
00:15:32.700 and saying decide today whom you're going to serve the lord or bail and he he told the people get off the
00:15:38.720 fence he was fostering a healthy division because there's always a division between truth and falsehood
00:15:45.100 light and darkness good and evil sin and grace and in the end the king will sit on his throne and
00:15:50.360 bring all the nations before him and what does the gospel of matthew say in chapter 25 he will
00:15:55.580 separate them it's an eternal separation so god is a divider and that's the only way ultimately that
00:16:02.720 you unite and save the people you unite them around truth around grace life salvation this is what so
00:16:10.300 many of our leaders don't seem to understand they think division in and of itself is a bad thing
00:16:15.120 well if you think that you're going to paper over you know the difference between right and wrong and
00:16:21.480 sin and and and and virtue i say to people don't be so concerned that there's division whether it's in
00:16:27.100 the nation or the church or the world be concerned that you're on the right side of that division
00:16:32.980 i think we just got our promo for the episode right there coming right back we'll take a quick
00:16:37.640 break at one more segment with frank bavone the national director of peace for life
00:16:41.660 okay frank now when when uh when we had you on i wanted to be i would be remiss if i didn't bring
00:16:49.520 up the fact that you yourself have faced the same type of persecution the same type of struggle uh i talked
00:16:57.100 about your case all the way back uh last year at america fest uh on stage with turning point usa's
00:17:03.320 event um but you weren't there because it was it was actually happening at that moment i think i just
00:17:08.120 found out in the i'm on i'm on the phone in the hotel room as i'm going on the stage and someone's
00:17:13.780 explaining to me what was going on and we we said a prayer for you from the stage and i wanted though
00:17:19.500 to give you the opportunity to explain to us what the current status of the case is and then let us
00:17:25.920 know what priest for life is working on now and how people can get involved well jack i saw that clip
00:17:30.460 and i was very encouraged by it i want to thank you for that and uh and that's how we first of all
00:17:35.940 what happened was i mean for for for 30 years i've been leading this ministry for 20 of those years
00:17:40.340 i've been getting pushback from certain bishops they've seen how big the ministry have gotten has
00:17:45.140 gotten how influential and uh some of them just don't like that they want to control everything and
00:17:49.960 as one of my canonical advisors said what they cannot control they kill so they've tried
00:17:55.900 to sideline me at various times uh but many bishops and cardinals support our work of course why
00:18:01.320 wouldn't you it's a life-giving ministry we run the largest healing ministry in the world for those
00:18:06.120 who have had abortions and so why wouldn't church leaders want to support it but some don't and
00:18:11.560 when you get the wrong people in the right places they can pull the lever of power and what we see
00:18:17.140 happening to me where they said ultimately uh well and the pope signed off on it pope francis they said
00:18:22.960 well you know you can't function as a priest anymore it's like okay what is this i mean if
00:18:28.880 i've done something wrong let me know what it is but they haven't pointed to any crime i've committed
00:18:34.160 uh it's again it's a political weaponization it's the same thing we see going on in civil government
00:18:40.080 where otherwise legitimate processes of government are weaponized against political opponents but people
00:18:47.200 need to understand the same thing is happening within the governance of the church and that is
00:18:52.400 what i have been uh experiencing now what what what happens in a case like this is that you you knock on
00:18:58.500 the door of the of the pope and you say hey this was a mistake would you please reconsider reinstate me to
00:19:05.000 the priesthood meanwhile i'm not going anywhere i'm not rebelling against the church or going over to a
00:19:09.200 different denomination or or even even lashing out against against the people who have done this i'm
00:19:15.860 simply continuing our work and the good thing is you know if a priest normally if a priest were to get
00:19:21.420 thrown out of the priesthood it would mean he lost his job his salary his staff his home none of that is
00:19:27.520 true in my case because priest for life stands as a ministry which from the beginning has been
00:19:32.140 financially and juridically uh independent so our supporters my board my staff my team are with us
00:19:39.760 a thousand percent and of course people like you and and so many other leaders in the pro-life pro-family
00:19:47.000 conservative movement throughout the country have stood with us so firmly because they see through
00:19:52.220 what's going on here uh it's not any lack of love for the church to say wait a minute this there's
00:19:58.180 something wrong with this this doesn't make any sense so our work continues uh and that work of
00:20:04.100 course is focused on not only as we have already talked about encouraging the clergy giving them
00:20:09.700 resources to teach and preach on these matters and not to be afraid of the division that might ensue
00:20:15.680 but also uh jack in the area of healing uh those that that have had abortions i mean i'm sure we've got
00:20:22.660 many listening to us right now who are in that situation it's not just the moms that have undergone
00:20:27.660 the procedure it's the dads who have lost children to abortion it's the grandparents uh who maybe they
00:20:34.640 tried to stop the abortion maybe on the other hand they encouraged the abortion or maybe they didn't
00:20:38.720 even know it was happening and yet they grieve the loss now of a grandchild to abortion siblings as 0.94
00:20:44.900 well suffer imagine what it's like for a young boy or girl to realize mommy or dad mommy and daddy
00:20:50.740 killed my sibling uh these are just very very difficult things to process and yet we're that
00:20:59.140 people are all around us who are going through these things so what we do at priest for life is that we
00:21:04.000 educate about these wounds we invite people to healing from these wounds and then people who are
00:21:10.940 healed speak out about their stories so people can find the healing at abortionforgiveness.com
00:21:18.080 and they can find the testimonies at silentnomore.com so i serve as as pastoral director of that effort
00:21:26.860 it is so beautiful i mean you mentioned before how you've gone to the march for life of course for so
00:21:31.580 many years and one of the things you see there as you know are are are women carrying signs that say
00:21:37.120 i regret my abortion and when the march finishes they give their testimonies publicly on the steps of the
00:21:44.500 supreme court and we do that all around the country all around the world in fact so that is a such a
00:21:50.600 beautiful aspect of the work i do day to day to bring that healing to people to let them share their
00:21:56.280 stories uh to let them proclaim that the god of life is a god of mercy and that we who reject abortion
00:22:03.320 never reject those who have had abortions and this in fact this in fact affects the political arena as
00:22:09.820 well because we've got to come across as the ones because it's true that we are the ones who have
00:22:16.960 the compassion here for the baby and also for that mom for that dad you know the left tries to say oh
00:22:23.760 yeah you know we're compassionate towards women and everything uh no you're not because you're not
00:22:28.300 even paying attention to how abortion is destroying and devastating them for years and generations they
00:22:34.500 they pay no attention to that and they don't want to hear it when we bring forth the studies when we bring
00:22:38.460 forth the testimonies they want to try to silence us about that too uh but that's one of the key
00:22:43.640 things that we're working on and that gives me such uh strength to keep doing this work well that's
00:22:49.000 incredible and i i actually did actually at the very last i'm not sure if it was the march for life or i
00:22:53.760 think it was the day when um when roe v wade was overturned when the dot when the opposition was handed
00:22:58.480 down there was sort of a sort of an impromptu march for life that that took place because people had
00:23:03.840 known it was going to be happening and so people were had flooded the city in dc and at the time we
00:23:10.280 were working just around the corner so i went down the day it happened and then i saw a bunch of the
00:23:15.560 silent no more women were there and they were cheering they were just absolutely cheering and it
00:23:21.100 was a very very powerful moment and and i would also add that there were a lot of protesters that were
00:23:26.880 not too happy uh had occurred as well and you could you could really see that for them uh and
00:23:35.140 this is something and we're wrapping up but this to them i'll bring it full circle this isn't about
00:23:40.720 the women it isn't even necessarily about the children it it it is about abortion and they 1.00
00:23:47.340 worship it they worship it like a sacrament the destruction of families the destruction of society
00:23:53.960 that's what this is frank pavone thank god you are still out here and fighting your fight tell
00:24:00.440 everybody where they can go and follow you what are your coordinates yes fr frank pavone on all the
00:24:05.640 major social media platforms fr frank pavone please connect with me and our main website is endabortion.us
00:24:12.560 endabortion.us how perfect is that ladies and gentlemen as always you have my permission to lay it short