Jack Posobiec and Raheem Kassam join host Jack to discuss the latest in the ongoing case against former Vice President Joe Biden. They also talk about the latest on Trump's trip to Miami, Florida, where he will be arraigned tomorrow.
00:02:28.080Folks, we've got a lot going on in the world.
00:02:29.840Taiwan secretly looking at evacuation plans for the American citizens that are there.
00:02:37.020We're also seeing on the ground in Ukraine this counteroffensive by Ukrainian forces being bogged down by Russian minefields, Russian attacks.
00:02:45.320We're going to get Tony Schaefer on, Lieutenant Colonel, later in the week to go through this.
00:02:49.700Also, at this moment, at this hour, Trump Force One has taken off from the New York area, from New Jersey, Newark.
00:03:01.440He will be landing, spending the night at Trump Doral, and then heading to the Miami Federal Courthouse.
00:03:07.700This is the Southern District of Florida, downtown Miami, tomorrow for his arraignment, his second arraignment in just as many months as he was just in New York City, conducting another arraignment on formerly and futilely false premises, as you saw up there.
00:03:26.680But I had to get on Mr. Raheem Kassam, who knows a little something about Trump Force One.
00:03:33.600Raheem Kassam of the National Polls joins us now.
00:03:51.820Yeah, well, you know, the first thing I will say about that whole operation, and it's the operation of, you know, not just being on a plane and going somewhere,
00:04:01.380but, you know, everything getting organized in advance, everything, you know, being right for when, you know, their principal, the former president, gets there to the airport, gets on the plane, gets through the plane, gets situated.
00:04:14.140Like, all of that stuff is so fascinating.
00:04:35.320Oh, hey, Raheem, we're actually, let me cut you off real quick because it looks like we're hitting an audio issue on, I'm not sure if it's your end, I'm not sure if it's Rav's end.
00:04:44.840We're going to deal with that real quick here.
00:04:46.440But, folks, we need to understand that this indictment of President Trump, this situation that he falls into, it goes back to a larger fight between not only President Trump, but all presidents, the administrative state, the deep state.
00:05:02.100The question is, who actually has the power in this country?
00:05:07.860Do the elected representatives of the people have power or is power generated and held by this unelected cabal of federal bureaucrats?
00:05:43.960Well, the question that I would have to say is, where were you when it came to Biden?
00:05:49.420Where were you when it came to Biden, when it came to Hunter, when it came to the laptop, when it came to the bribery,
00:05:54.660when it came to the fact that these reports were coming in in 2017?
00:06:00.940We knew we had him publicly speaking about this in 2017.
00:06:04.420President Trump asked the question about it, and then it turned into his first impeachment.
00:06:10.940And so my question for everyone out here is, my question for Bill Barr is, what are you going to do about it?
00:06:17.680Look, you have so many people out there who, for lack of a better term, they view themselves as institutionalists.
00:06:27.440They view themselves as the protectors of the system.
00:06:32.000This is where you get the uniparty duopoly from, because they view their job as holding up the institutions.
00:06:39.460And Republicans traditionally are institutionalists.
00:06:43.560That's sort of the idea of conservatism, right?
00:06:45.300The idea of conservatism is that we are going to preserve the status quo.
00:06:49.920We're going to preserve civilization as it's been built.
00:06:52.600And that includes the institutions that uphold civilization.
00:06:54.860But what happens when every single one of those institutions becomes fundamentally corrupted?
00:07:01.480And you get these people crawling out of the woodwork that say, well, you know, we'll go after some people here, we'll go after some people there.
00:07:07.960But fundamentally, they're not on the side of the people.
00:07:11.560They become more and more on the side of the institution.
00:07:16.840And we're seeing that now because there's only one man, one man, who is actually stepping up to try to do something right.
00:07:25.800And that is why you're going to see this death of a thousand cut strategy on President Trump.
00:07:30.860You think this is going to be the last indictment?
00:07:33.260There's going to be indictment here, Georgia, and then D.C. is going to come down, as we talked about with Julie Kelly last week.
00:07:38.800D.C. is going to come down, this seditious conspiracy over January 6th.
00:07:43.960They want to use this to go after him, to try to knock him off the ballot.
00:08:54.240As I was saying, the process of actually how that all takes place is fascinating.
00:09:00.240There's so many other moving parts going on all around.
00:09:03.380Lots of different law enforcement agencies involved, federal level, local level.
00:09:07.340And in all these different places where he went to, visiting Georgia and North Carolina in the same day from Newark, returning to Newark by the end of the day.
00:09:15.100And the fascinating thing about all of it is his energy.
00:09:20.980This is a man in his 70s who was clearly the one with all of the energy left at the end of the day.
00:09:30.900You know, you look around at the staff, you look around at the pilots and the police and all of this, and Trump's the one still going.
00:09:38.800He's the one who still wants to blast the music.
00:09:40.880He's the one who still wants to hang out and chat, you know, as the plane's landing and everybody's trying to go to bed.
00:09:45.660And I have to tell you this, you know, from my interactions with him and from observing his interactions, both with the public and in the Waffle House, no less, and all across the day's events, that man is more upbeat than I think I've seen him in years and years and years.
00:10:04.560He was so happy to be out there with people.
00:10:16.180And I think, you know, if what the deep state is trying to do here is intimidate or frustrate Donald Trump, they're doing quite the opposite.
00:10:56.420He's and quite frankly, I would actually go and say this and you were there.
00:10:59.900So maybe you could a different take than me.
00:11:02.020But just watching it from afar, it to me, those events or those moments of him interacting with people even overshadowed the actual speeches themselves.
00:11:11.520Oh, yeah, I mean, massively so as good as the speeches in Georgia.
00:11:17.960Yeah, I'm not I'm not putting down the speeches, but yeah, no, but you're right.
00:11:21.960As as as well as they were received in Georgia and North Carolina, you know, what was trending on social media at the end of the day?
00:12:02.360People are running between cars and restaurants and places just just to get a quick peek at him, you know, just to look through the window at him lining up on the street for hours and hours with homemade placards just so that they can, you know, wave it as the motorcade goes by for 10, 15 seconds.
00:12:20.580And he gives the dedication back in return.
00:12:23.800He doesn't have to stop off at Waffle House unscripted, you know, and and and start talking to people and buying them waffles.
00:12:31.660But he does it because he loves it and he does it because he knows that, you know, there are other candidates out there who don't even necessarily have to name names that can't connect with people at that level.
00:12:41.660They can't just go hang out with them.
00:12:43.580And and I think Trump loves to show that he's always been a man of the people and remains to this day, despite everything, a man of the people.
00:12:51.220Well, that was no, no, I was actually just going to remark on that, that this this transcends politics, because even before his political career, you would see him, whether it be on the street in New York or while walking through one of his hotel lobbies or a casino.
00:13:04.620You know, Trump Taj Mahal, I even remember, you know, in 1990s in Atlantic City, that he was he was always sort of a fixture who'd be walking around, he'd be shaking hands, hobnobbing with, yes, of course, all of his celebrity friends.
00:13:17.160But you could just come up to him and he would say hi and slap you on the back.
00:13:20.480And, you know, the big tipper, I mean, there's always been a sense.
00:13:24.640And I respond to people who say, oh, it's a cult.
00:13:26.580It's called it's I don't think it's a cult.
00:13:28.340I think it's just the fact that there's a lot of people out there that when you take someone from that level,
00:13:33.620that they walk right past you as if you don't exist.
00:13:37.120And yet he will stay stay there, lock eyes with you, shake your hand and show you respect and treat you with a level of dignity that they are not used to.
00:13:47.620And that's where the connection comes from.
00:13:49.440And it's not something that you can quantify in politics.
00:13:53.820Look, it it was a it's a cult in the same way that that, you know, fandom for Elvis Presley was a cult.
00:14:02.380You could call it a cult if you really wanted to.
00:14:04.820You can call it a cult if you're being mean and nasty and frankly, jealous, right?
00:14:11.160But what you're really talking about here and, you know, I'm writing a big article about that day and my impressions of that day.
00:14:18.360And National Pulse members will get that article over at the national pulse dot com.
00:14:22.560I encourage everybody to go and sign up immediately.
00:14:24.740You won't get this analysis anywhere else.
00:14:26.280You won't get this kind of insight anywhere else.
00:14:27.920And I'm not just saying, you know, my insights the best, although it is what I'm saying is every person that goes on that plane from the corporate media is going to just try and belittle and demean.
00:14:37.900And I'm going to tell you what really goes on there.
00:14:40.060And one of the things I do in the article, Jack, is I compare him to Elvis Presley, you know, not least because he and I actually connected over Elvis Presley on the plane.
00:14:49.900But I started to think about it and think about his connection with kind of that America and and and what it looks like today, where America stands today and who is Elvis Presley in modern America.
00:24:43.020They do have a crime issue that they need to fight with now, but if you look at the history of Savannah, it's also a place where I love to go because every time I'm around and we stop in Savannah, we go and pay our respects to General Pulaski because General Pulaski right there in Savannah, that's where he died, leading a charge just like a Polish hussar would, leading a charge directly into the British.
00:25:08.560He was actually killed by a barrage of grape shot while he rode the cavalry in with the Americans, came over from Poland, trained up the United States cavalry, saved the life of George Washington, ends up dying in the Battle of Savannah in the American Revolutionary War.
00:25:23.560In fact, one of the only people in all of U.S. history to be granted honorary U.S. citizenship by the U.S. Congress.
00:25:32.120But folks, when we have these issues, when we have these issues that go down, we always have to dig it into how is it playing out in the polls?
00:25:41.700What's the response of the electorate?
00:25:45.660Would there be potentially an opportunity for the deep state, for the government to be able to come in and say, you know what, these indictments are so bad.
00:25:55.320You've got, you know, people who are at least, I would say, identify as Republicans, like Bill Barr, coming out and saying, he's toast, he's done, it's over, it's over for Trump.
00:26:08.100Plus, you've got all these people, these talking heads, the anti-Trumpers out there saying, Trump is done, this indictment, he's finally, he's finito, he's done, it's the end of it.
00:26:17.600Well, there's a couple of reasons, by the way, that we should be skeptical of those claims.
00:26:22.720Number one, because we have to ask, what is their true motivation?
00:26:26.060Number two, we have to ask, is this case even going to go to trial before the election?
00:26:32.440Because keep in mind that if this case gets pushed out, typically you have an 18-month lag time between indictment and trial.
00:26:40.540That's just a federal system to begin with, okay?
00:26:42.500Anyway, keep in mind, the same thing is playing out with January 6th right now, because you have people, it's been, what, two plus, two and a half years since January 6th.
00:26:49.780There's still people waiting for trial at this moment, two and a half years later, for something that happened two and a half years ago.
00:26:56.500President Trump, if he went to trial, if he followed that typical, let's just take the average, 18 months, that would be what?
00:27:04.300That December 2024, a month after the election, he could already be president-elect at that point, which sets up such a constitutional crisis in this country that we've never even seen before.
00:28:32.700But we also have to say, even if this does go to trial, that district is a district that's been trending for Trump.
00:28:42.140Miami-Dade, and keep in mind, the district is more than just Miami-Dade, but Miami-Dade went very close to flipping for Trump in 20, did flip for DeSantis in 22.
00:28:51.220There is almost, I would say, a high-level chance, not 100%, you can never say 100%, but I'd say 80% to 85% chance that you will have a couple of Trump-supporting Miami Cubans, Cubanos, on that trial.
00:29:25.860Because if this does make it to this point, and again, I already walked through how President Trump, if he's, you know, play it out.
00:29:34.200If he's the president, at that point, if this, let's say they set the trial date for January 21st, 2025, his first act as president, he could pardon himself.
00:30:11.080Because D.C., you're not going to find Trump-supporting judges.
00:30:14.580You're not going to find Trump-supporting jurors.
00:30:16.100You're not going to find any of those things.
00:30:17.380Any of those aspects that we've walked you through, the Southern District of Florida, you will not find those in the D.C. district.
00:30:22.760That's why Jack Smith has the grand jury open there.
00:30:25.640That's why they're going to be looking at this seditious conspiracy.
00:30:28.040They're going to take, as Julie Kelly has outlined, they're going to take those indictments from the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, et cetera.
00:30:37.280You know it ain't going to be Ray Epps.
00:30:38.500It's going to be Donald J. Trump, and they're going to put him in as the head of the conspiracy and probably, unfortunately, some members of the president's administration, too.
00:30:48.540I would not be surprised if they went for this.
00:30:51.660So, folks, there is a legal minefield that President Trump has to walk through in order to get back to the presidency.
00:31:00.860They are putting him on this Herculean task, right, the series of tasks that he has to compete.
00:31:07.880In addition to all of the contenders, the other contenders, the second tier, the bottom tier that we're talking about in terms of the also-ran candidates, he has to face legal fights at the state level, at the federal level, potentially two at the federal level.
00:31:25.200I think the one in D.C. is going to be a much bigger problem for him.
00:31:28.220I think they will attempt to push that through prior to the election for just the instances that I lined out because they understand the presidency has the plenary power of pardons, and you can pardon for anything other than an impeachment.
00:31:53.020But the only reason that we're in uncharted waters, the only reason that they're doing this is because no matter what they do, he keeps going up in the polls.
00:32:05.820They're not throwing him under the bus, and they can see this insane political indictment persecution for what it is.
00:32:12.640All right, folks, I want to tell you that Human Events is powered by Blackout Coffee.
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00:33:24.200Now, I've been looking at these polls that are coming out of CBS, the YouGov, things that are not – I don't think that anybody would accuse CBS and YouGov of being a pro-Trump polling universe.
00:33:39.200But they're showing us that they've got numbers.
00:33:42.880And as far as I can tell, they've been in the field the closest to the indictments.
00:33:57.940But they've got similar numbers, but those numbers actually came out – were taken before the indictment.
00:34:03.400So I wanted to ask you your read on this and then your general read on the shift, if any, that you've seen since this indictment.
00:34:11.100Well, it's interesting to look at those two particular different ones.
00:34:15.700The CBS poll had begun in the field before the indictment.
00:34:21.560And then they adjusted to add the indictment question because they were already in the field.
00:34:25.800Now, there was a difference, I think, probably when you – if you go back and look at the public opinion, Thursday when the indictments were announced and Friday when the specifics of the indictments were rolled out.
00:34:37.760But it looks like the CBS poll covered both days.
00:34:45.460And when you look at them as compared to other outlets, I've always thought of the big three, big four, CBS – well, I think five, CBS is the most reliable.
00:34:54.640And probably the least biased, though.
00:34:56.920So I think that's – it's a good measuring stick.
00:34:59.740So, yeah, and that is exactly kind of what we're seeing.
00:35:03.420I had the opportunity to be in the Medal of the Beast this weekend at the Georgia convention right after all this started.
00:35:12.080So being able to see the environment with Trump there giving a speech, being able to talk to people who were attending both before and after Trump's speech,
00:35:21.380you kind of just be able to take kind of a measuring stick of where Trump supporters are, how they moved, and stuff like that.
00:35:27.920And so I would put a lot of credence into the idea that this has not moved Trump down.
00:35:35.700But what I have found now is kind of Trump supporters who were not faves to break into two categories, the first of which are those who just say that nothing they say is true,
00:35:49.520in the same way that Biden supporters will never believe he took pride.
00:35:54.060They'll just say, hey, it's Republican Congress investigating him.
00:36:23.580And these two things don't have no, cannot be bespoken in the same vein, that they don't make any sense.
00:36:33.880So even if they can see that the idea that he handled the documents sloppy happened and he tried to have it covered up happened, it doesn't matter.
00:36:43.240And everyone is dismissive of the idea of, you know, the espionage charge.
00:36:49.040You know, because it isn't like they have an example of a file that was laying on a table and there just happened to be a Chinese-Russian spy there.
00:36:57.300But it's kind of like the difference between having a wreck when you're drunk driving and getting arrested for drunk driving where you could have had a wreck.
00:37:05.720And you don't get charged for killing someone if you were just drunk driving.
00:37:11.260But the point is, you get charged heavily because you could have done something.
00:37:15.980And they're treating Trump as if those records were seen by a spy.
00:37:24.180Well, and that's that's exactly, you know, actually, just before you came on, that's precisely what we were discussing, because, you know, there was an idea that if there were any incidents of that, of course, it would be in the indictment.
00:37:35.640In itself, they would say, you know, and the Saudis came in and the Russians came in and the Chinese came in and he was giving away Ukrainian positions and everything else.
00:37:43.640And yet there's none of the indictment is completely silent in any of these things.
00:37:49.960Are you seeing anything in the data or just from what you've you've gleaned from attending the convention that this is really making any difference, at least on the Republican side of the aisle as we're looking at the primary?
00:38:14.560If he's the only thing standing between them doing this to all of us, you know, it's not just that they've gone after Trump.
00:38:22.840We've seen the federal law enforcement used to, you know, lock up pro, I mean, to intimidate, lock up pro-life leaders and school board parents.
00:38:34.040So there's not this, oh, that's hypothetical.
00:38:39.040And so this argument Trump makes, if we don't stop them with me, they'll run roughshod over you, really hits willing ears.
00:38:49.860And so I don't see a drop off right now.
00:38:52.160But I will say the best way to judge this will be two or three weeks out when more details are coming out, when the hearing is over and we get a real sense of where it's going.
00:39:02.600And it's seen in its full perspective.
00:39:05.900But the other thing, and this is what I've been saying for months, is as we kind of track Trump, we notice that when everything is silent, Trump is not in the headlines.
00:39:17.060And he's not just, you know, he's being talked about a little bit on mainstream media and talked about a little bit on conservative media.
00:39:25.200But you're not seeing pictures and video and he starts to sink.
00:39:29.320And as soon as all of a sudden he's on the screens, you know, whether it's going to the hearing, the day before.
00:39:37.800We're about to come up on a break and apologize, but this is fascinating.
00:39:41.060I want to, if you can hold on, I'd love to tease that out a little bit more and break it down for the audience.
00:39:45.680Because I think I've, I understand exactly what you're saying, that there's this phenomenon that when they report on him more, when he's driving the news cycle more, people actually gravitate towards him the more they see of him.
00:40:05.660All right, folks, disaster to be declared in Philadelphia, I-95, that driver, 8,500 gallons of fuel.
00:40:17.920We're told that he lost control and crashed directly under the I-95 overpass in Philadelphia.
00:40:23.440Folks, you never know when disaster will strike.
00:40:28.320And unfortunately, we're seeing infrastructure disasters being on the rise in the United States, whether it be our highways, whether it be our roads, airports, bridges, et cetera.
00:41:50.200Robert Cajale, we were going through with you before the break this phenomenon that you've seen of Trump slipping in the polls, not because of indictments, not because of these recent allegations against him.
00:42:05.480But you're actually seeing in the data that the only time that Trump slips in the polls is when he's out of the news cycle.
00:42:13.160That seems almost counterintuitive to everything the mainstream media is saying.
00:42:16.980Well, and that's what's interesting about it.
00:42:43.300And so whenever, I mean, think about this.
00:42:45.720When Trump is on the way to New York and we're seeing scenes that are reminiscent of the OJJ, that is not making people talk less about Trump.
00:42:58.420I mean, you know, when they're snapping pictures of him trying to get in to a courtroom or anything like, you know, like he is a member of the royal family.
00:43:07.160I mean, that's it's almost like, of course, that works.
00:43:13.280I mean, you got to imagine that Peyton Herrier just losing their minds like, well, maybe we should get indicted.
00:43:17.820This is awesome because the publicity is tremendous.
00:43:20.800And so I do see him is that whenever you turn on your TV and again, I'm talking about regular people who aren't like us, who are not conservative media consumers.
00:43:34.200I'm just talking about average shows who pick up a little bit here, a little bit there.
00:43:38.360When when their mainstream TV is full of images of Trump, which then filters down to their social media and it's just Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
00:43:45.780And they're going against him, then there starts to be this, huh, huh.
00:43:52.820People start thinking and maybe they've forgotten about it because he hadn't been on Twitter and stuff.
00:43:57.700And they start thinking about what they used to be like and what they're like now.
00:44:02.160And also the mean treats don't see so bad.
00:44:05.080All of a sudden, some of the things that any things don't seem so significant because they remember what their life is like.
00:44:10.740But that's absolutely fantastic to me now, Robert, when let's talk general election, let's talk a little bit.
00:44:20.600Can you put a level if you were to take a look at the electorate right now, are we talking twenty five percent, thirty three percent, forty percent?
00:44:29.820How high would you actually put that number of MAGA support?
00:44:37.860And one of the things that most people are not conveying properly is when we start talking about percentage of Republicans supporting Trump and MAGA support among Republican primary voters.
00:44:47.840Republican primary voters are not a subset of take all the people in America, Republicans, Democrats, independents, put them in their pots.
00:44:58.840No. No. The kind there are generally about a third to a fourth of people who will vote Republican in general election will actually bring themselves out to a presidential primary.
00:45:13.360So what I would say is probably in the general election, that number is and when you say when I say MAGA, I mean, like, love Trump, do whatever the, you know, the people that, you know, when he talks about shootings about Fifth Avenue, just supporting that that crowd.
00:45:29.700Now, I would say I would probably estimate that lower than most people, but I think that's not really his base in a general election.
00:45:39.000I'd say that number is under twenty percent in a general election, again, because primary voters are a subset of those who vote Republican.
00:45:47.040But what I would but what I would also add to you may add to it is there is there are MAGA supporters and then there are just Republicans who like who like his message and like their life better when he was president.
00:46:02.260Then I would say there are reluctant Trump Republicans who probably wouldn't pick him, but will absolutely vote for him in the general election.
00:46:12.100But what's more important is in the general election.
00:46:15.160There are people who are defined as Democrats, and I don't mean self-identification, which is the way a lot of polling companies do it.
00:46:24.040I mean, identified as Democrats because they vote Democrat primary.
00:46:29.860There are a lot more of them who who really don't buy into any of the less and and they're being distanced from the Democrat Party who didn't sign.
00:46:42.160I mean, they signed up for the Bill Clinton Democrat Party.
00:46:44.420They didn't signed up, you know, for the transgender BLM.