The People s Pundit Rich Barris joins Jack to talk about the latest polling numbers on the ground in the wake of President Trump's indictment, and what it means for the rest of the candidates in the 2020 primary race.
00:19:39.440So we're going to be talking about everything from how we can fight for election integrity and applauding those that are doing the right thing in all the different counties, including getting rid of unnecessary machines, all the way down to Scott, who's helping and working with us.
00:19:56.420Well, the way I view it is two-pronged, right?
00:19:59.180The way I view it is two-pronged, because if you're in a state or a county or some area where you have control over the levers of power, then, right, we should be fighting for election integrity every step of the way.
00:20:10.180I want it to be one man, one vote, one day, IDs, the whole nine yards.
00:20:15.560Mail-in ballots should be, I mean, if you're like an invalid or an actual shut-in, that kind of thing, that's it.
00:20:23.340Or military, obviously, which I have to say.
00:20:53.260So you have to have a great defense, but sometimes you just aren't given a great defense.
00:20:58.160Sometimes you don't have a great defense, in which case you still have to put points on the board.
00:21:02.220And in the case, in those states where we don't have a great defense, which are many blue states or blue-controlled counties, you've got to have an even better offense, that means.
00:21:11.060Walk us through what are your target states.
00:21:12.900Yeah, I mean, so the key target states, and we know, we've broken down the map many times, but for those, just as a refresher, you have basically four or five states that can determine the election at this point.
00:21:25.640You have deep red states, you have deep blue states, and then you have what they call purple states or swing states that right now are up in the air by polling and from what we've seen in the last few elections.
00:21:35.060Those states are Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and then hanging out there are Nevada and Michigan.
00:23:03.560And Georgia and Arizona are just unique because in Wisconsin, to a certain extent for a lot of different reasons, they just don't have a lot of defense, right?
00:23:11.680We don't have a lot of institutionalized Republican groups and conservative groups that are there.
00:23:16.340They're able to defend election integrity, for example.
00:23:20.160You know, the Democrats were able to come in very quickly, and they were able to dominate these counties, which is part of the reason why they selected Arizona and Georgia, I think, and a lot of different reasons.
00:23:30.640They tried to take advantage of the 270 electoral votes that they need to win.
00:23:37.280You know, your three best defense options in order to win the presidency are Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia.
00:23:42.880That's where we put our heavy emphasis and focus.
00:23:45.240That's where we've worked together with close partners like Scott Pressler, who—our announcement came out this last few weeks where we are investing into the operation there in Wisconsin.
00:24:00.460And then other partners and friends like the Tea Party Patriots, who have a huge, significant lift in Georgia, a lot of institutional knowledge there, where it's like, well, this is—now what we've got to do is we've got to go in and fund and get the resources necessary in order to put the bodies on the ground to execute on the offense that we need in order to win.
00:24:22.120Now, we—so we had Scott Pressler on yesterday.
00:24:24.060He walked us through how sort of the meta process works, the overall process of you target someone, you use this year—and he was in Louisiana, so they do have an off-year gubernatorial election that you can use that as a test bed for 24, which is great.
00:24:39.760But then even in other cases where you don't have an election, you still have the ability to begin micro-targeting voters.
00:24:45.920He was urging people to call in, work with registration, et cetera, et cetera.
00:24:49.460But walk us through what is the left doing?
00:24:52.460Because really, in many cases, we're just recreating what they've already done on this.
00:24:56.420Yeah, I mean, look, and I think we can do a lot better.
00:24:59.460I mean, the exciting part about where we're at as a movement, even though we're losing—and we have lost—excuse me.
00:25:26.480And this is part of the reason why a lot of people feel like, oh, well, the manipulation that's happening, the cheating that's happening is getting—
00:25:39.420The way statistically, if you've watched the movie Moneyball, it's how the MLB basically operates today, right, where it's like it's a series of equations that if you put in and if you apply the right pressure, you're more likely to win.
00:25:53.420And this is effectively what the Democrats have done.
00:25:55.300They have a myriad of things that they've done to manipulate the elections.
00:25:58.520One of the biggest ways they manipulated elections is they figured out, well, if we flood the zone with ballots, which is what they've tried to do, and then we look at the individuals who are less likely to vote.
00:26:09.240So they take advantage of people who are less likely to vote.
00:26:28.060And so 18-year-olds, 19-year-olds are some of the least likely people to vote typically.
00:26:32.420Well, if you give every 18-year-old a ballot and then I can go to your door and sell you on one issue, micro-target you on one issue, I'm going to be much more likely to be able to get you to turn in your ballot.
00:26:43.480And that's just what the Democrats have figured out, right?
00:26:45.380Honestly, that started with all the climate stuff, right?
00:26:48.500This is why they've pushed climate change.
00:26:50.480This is why they've pushed abortion so heavily.
00:26:52.120And this was really the strategy that was solidified during the Obama years, which the historic precedent was you win a primary, you move to the middle.
00:27:04.860Which, by the way, and I just have to say it because I have you on.
00:27:07.920When is the last time you actually heard anybody arguing about health care?
00:27:33.600So anything that they can take advantage of, any issue, singular issue, they do because they know those low propensity, what we call low propensity, which means they're less likely to vote or they vote more rarely.
00:27:47.260They can go to the door of that person, identify that that is a subject that they care about, and then use that topic in order to extract the vote.
00:27:56.420And so this is what they've done so effectively.
00:27:59.020Well, meanwhile, Republicans are talking about everything under the sun publicly.
00:28:02.240This is the old way of doing politics.
00:28:03.820It's the honest way of doing politics, right?
00:28:05.500Which is go out in public, get in on a debate stage, talk about everything, right?
00:28:11.280And then try to win over people because this is – you have a good view of what you believe and you have a good view of what I believe, and then you can pick who you pick.
00:28:20.800But what they've done – and I know we talked about this a couple of months ago here on Election Day in Arizona – is they've shifted the system itself in these areas where they have this control away from a vote-based system to a ballot-based system.
00:28:38.480And what are the differences between votes and ballots – and everyone should go read the conservative treehouse explanation on this – is that what you're talking about is mass movements of people showing up to vote on Election Day because they believe in X candidate versus this extraction method of simply – call it moneyball politics where it's just all about putting pieces of paper in the ballot.
00:29:01.320And the more pieces of paper that get in, the more chance you have of winning.
00:29:04.680And that's the moneyball concept, right?
00:29:06.160Because they know no matter what we do, a certain percentage of the electorate is going to show up.
00:29:37.080The big number that exists out there are the people who haven't voted, the people who are sitting at home that haven't turned in the ballot.
00:29:43.180And so the extraction process of that is so much more valuable and better money spent.
00:29:48.460Because it's money that – or it's a vote that wouldn't have come out otherwise.
00:30:11.960Tyler Boyer here, the COO of Turning Point Action.
00:30:15.760Tyler, you were breaking down for us the importance of extracting this extra – it's almost like a bonus percentage of ballots that we can get out for these races.
00:30:24.460And because the Democrats are doing this, and in many cases Republicans are not – just set the stakes.
00:31:14.980Well, I mean, look, we just talked about it.
00:31:17.080So if we look at this from a numbers perspective, what the left has figured out is that there's only a certain percentage that you're ever going to be able to move, right?
00:31:25.100So a very small single-digit percentage is ever going to pull off of a candidate if they're the nominee for Republicans or the nominee for Democrats.
00:31:32.200So this means that you have to, no matter what, you have to do this work if they're doing this work.
00:32:12.960Now it's just, you go, now if we can flood the zone with ballots and make up that number, you're more likely to win in a tight race in a close state.
00:32:22.320Now, if you can go beyond that, right, far beyond that, now it's really tough for the other side, especially if you're picking up votes that are independent, middle of the road, swing voters, because that's a two for one vote, right?
00:32:33.240Because every time I get a vote that's a swing vote, I'm taking one away from you and I'm getting one, right?
00:32:39.020And so if that person doesn't vote, you're not really losing much.
00:32:42.620If that person does vote, it's like you're a plus two if that person votes for you.
00:32:46.480So this is the reason why it doesn't really matter who our nominee is for any race, really, right?
00:32:52.360This is the reason why John Fetterman can get elected in Pennsylvania.
00:32:56.460Look, as hard as it is to hear that, it doesn't matter who our nominee is.
00:33:01.080And I get that you're, look, here's something that I've always told candidates back when I used to consult on campaigns or just work on campaigns.
00:33:08.140I would say it is not the quality of your votes that matters.
00:33:12.580It is the quantity of your votes that matters.
00:33:14.760And that, the way to flip that around today is you would say, unfortunately, as John Fetterman explains, it is not the quality of your candidate that matters.
00:33:37.220And so that just means that more votes that you go out and you get in inorganic ways, right?
00:33:42.980So these are inorganic ways that the Democrats are shoveling votes into the system.
00:33:47.340And when we say Democrats, we really mean leftist organizations going out and doing this work.
00:33:50.900Because they've understood for a while, and you saw this in 2016, they, the sort of all the great, you know, mega donors of the party.
00:33:58.360And, you know, people talk about Soros, but he's not the only one.
00:34:00.680They decided, Reid Hoffman is another one of these, Steve Jobs' widow, Lorraine Powell Jobs is one of them, that the DNC, the party, wasn't the right vehicle for this because it was too clunky.
00:34:12.700It was too bogged down with prior relationships, too much political infighting, et cetera.
00:34:18.620And so they just set up an entire ecosystem of a democratic machine outside of the party structure itself.
00:34:46.420So, I mean, this is where all this came into play, and people are losing their minds that are studying this is because we were, and they're like, oh, well, he donated to Republicans.
00:34:56.880Yeah, but Republican money, when it's being donated by donors right now, is going into things that are ineffective at a 80% level.
00:35:05.720That's about the number that I give it.
00:35:07.000Meanwhile, while the Democrats have these systems that are built in the place that are, they're maximizing every dime that they get from donors to go into the system that's a ballot-chasing heavy system.
00:35:18.320In addition to doing all the work, you know, they're trying to manipulate our elections, they're suing the courts to try to take advantage of specific counties that matter.
00:35:27.660And to make these laws better for them in these areas.
00:35:29.780There's only about 17 counties that matter, right, to win the election.
00:35:35.880If we're doing this right, you know, as Republicans, as conservatives, what we should be doing is going to donors and saying, hey, stop giving Mitch McConnell money and start funding litigation that's going to stop Democrats from manipulating our elections at the county level.
00:35:51.680Now, what can you do additionally is providing additional resources to build the army.
00:35:56.920It doesn't matter if you support Trump.
00:35:58.520It doesn't matter if you support DeSantis.
00:36:00.280It doesn't matter if you support Tim Scott.
00:36:43.900They want to manipulate elections in states like Idaho and Utah and Tennessee.
00:36:48.880And this is what I've been telling people.
00:36:51.100And we had a tweet go viral about six months ago, almost a year ago, I think, that you retweeted where I let people know.
00:36:58.460I said, look, these are the states where if they manipulate the elections enough in these states, you're never going to get the country back.
00:38:13.960He's been out publicly speaking about it.
00:38:15.860Do you feel that he really is embracing it as much as he says he is?
00:38:19.480I think organically the entire movement is.
00:38:22.200And a lot of it's thanks to the work that you're doing and that our good friends Charlie and Charlie Kirk and so many others have been doing,
00:38:30.120which is having an open, honest dialogue discussion about this, right?
00:38:35.200And this is what's helping lead the charge.
00:38:37.800And Scott Pressler, obviously, we need to give a lot of credit to Scott and so many others.
00:38:41.420He's leading the charge saying, hey, look, this is the most critical thing.
00:38:46.200Now, the big question is now people are starting to embrace like, oh, okay, yeah, this makes sense.
00:38:51.620Now the question is how do we functionally build this the correct way?
00:38:55.580Because, again, what the Democrats have figured out a long time ago is the Democrat Party is useless.
00:38:59.840The Democrat Party is in no place to build this and keep it running, this engine running, year in and year out.
00:39:07.560And there's an equal argument to be made that the RNC, the Republican Party, can't do this long term.
00:39:13.620There's things that the Republican Party should be doing that they're probably not doing perfectly and they could be doing a lot better right now.
00:39:19.900But they shouldn't be running these operations because you need outside groups to do that for you so that they stay well-oiled and like a well-oiled machine year in and year out.
00:39:34.600When we come back, we're coming up on our last break, but when we do come back, I want to get into with you some of the specifics on how we can build this out.
00:39:42.200And look, at the end of the day, we want to win.
00:39:59.960And if it's going to happen, I say, look, I said this already.
00:40:03.520If they bring 2,000 mules, we bring 10,000.
00:40:07.940All right, back to it with Tyler Boyer here on Human Events.
00:40:10.320Look, Tyler, when I see Dylan Mulvaney, when I see these TikTokers going to the White House, even the one who was making a complete fool of her, him, I don't even know what kind of self, at the Pride celebration, you know, we laugh about it and we make fun of it.
00:40:24.620But I think we also need to understand that that's part of an operation from the left because that's a reward for people that have gone in and used their social media through these engines and through these operations to drive out ballots, to drive out votes, to drive out mail-in votes, early voting for Democrat candidates.
00:40:43.480So when you're looking at someone like this, oh, this person's a, you know, they're a sideshow, they're a carnival show.
00:40:51.740And if we don't have respect for that, for all of the different operations that they're running, this is key because, look, you can have a TikToker with 2 million fans and guess what?
00:41:04.400And tonight we're going to focus on Pennsylvania.
00:41:06.340Tonight we're going to focus on abortion.
00:41:08.500Tonight we're going to focus on guns, whatever it is.
00:41:10.820And then David Hogg is out there with guns, someone else will come up on trans issues, whatever it is.
00:41:15.660This is micro-targeting of micro-targeting because influencers can play a huge role in this to directly affect ballots, not indirectly, directly affect ballots.
00:41:25.620But also you have a situation, and you were breaking this down for us, we really do need this regional micro-targeting of voters.
00:41:34.640Yeah, I mean, you're bringing up something that there's two different sides to think about when you're looking at this like an influencer type thing.
00:41:40.820Number one is they're collecting data on users, typically.
00:41:44.700So when you comment, you don't realize this, but when you comment or you follow somebody based around a topic, then they know they can go to your door and target you based off of that topic.
00:42:53.840Well, if you look at that, remember, let's go back to that, those percentages that we talked about.
00:42:58.920Let's say you lose or, you know, we have a neck and neck Senate race, like in the state of Arizona, for example, this last election cycle, where in polling, it was within one percentage point.
00:43:09.280Or next time it'll be when it's neck and neck and neck.
00:43:14.020If it's within two or three percentage points, well, if you have a body of people that are easily targetable, like people in the trans community in Arizona, which are, you know, are people that support the trans agenda, right?
00:43:30.240Now it's even larger because they've popularized it within the Democrat Party.
00:43:33.920Now all we have to do is identify those people based off of their feedback, their social, the surveys that they filled out, and then go to their door and say, do you care about trans issues?
00:43:47.080Or fill out your ballot in this way, and we'll walk you to your mailbox.
00:43:50.260And so that's how they're hyper-targeting these people and these fringe issues, right?
00:43:54.080Meanwhile, our side, the establishment, you know, laughs at people who have conservative, that stand behind conservative principles instead of trying to work with those people to turn in their ballots.
00:44:03.960So Tyler, we've got a couple of minutes left for the end of the show.
00:44:09.620Are you going to be hiring people to put bodies where they need to be to actually do this work?
00:44:15.080Yeah, and this is the core, right, is the fundamental change in how we go about this business on the conservative movement.
00:44:21.700And what we're doing at Turning Point Action, and a huge credit, again, to Charlie Kirk, who, you know, we work with you, that works so closely with us, and so many people that have been supportive.
00:44:31.800We're building the first ever, I think, large-scale ballot-chasing army to do that specific work, which is identify those people on our side that we can micro-target and go to, give them a reason to vote, right, that are not voting right now.
00:44:47.440But, again, the establishment, historical precedent that's been set by the Republican Party is, oh, just forget about those people.
00:44:55.520Move to the middle, and that's how you're going to get them.
00:44:57.200That's not how you're going to get these people.
00:44:58.620That's actually the opposite approach of how you're going to get these people, which, again, the Obama people figured out in their race, and they've lived by that ever since.
00:45:05.420And so for us, it's now build the army, go into Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, build the army, go to Pennsylvania, right?
00:45:13.160We're going to have the largest army that we've ever built in these states, particularly Pennsylvania.
00:45:18.320We'll talk about Pennsylvania, my friend.
00:45:20.140And this is a place where now the Democrats are going to be outgunned, outnumbered.
00:45:26.240We have a larger, more reliable base of voters.
00:45:32.060We just have to give them the right tools in order to go to the right doors and chase the right ballots that we need in order to win.
00:45:38.360And here's the thing, is in some of these areas where, and I remember when Trump won in 2016 in Pennsylvania, even to me it was a shock, because Pennsylvania is one of those states, like you were just talking about, Nevada, where it just always seemed just out of reach for Romney, for Bush Jr., for McCain.
00:45:59.060And then Trump comes in, and he's able to do it exactly by what you just said, by driving out those lower propensity voters, particularly organically.
00:46:10.320With Trump's personality, his force of personality, and particularly with his agenda on trade.
00:46:17.480These were the sons and daughters, in some cases, grandsons and granddaughters of the Reagan Democrats, who were the coalition that swung Pennsylvania and the rest of the Rust Belt over for Trump.
00:46:28.780With this plan, with Turning Point Action, you can easily go in.
00:46:33.760Not easily, but the system isn't hard once you've figured it out.
00:46:37.540It's just going to take a lot of boot leather.
00:46:39.600It's going to take a lot of people working together.