Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 501： GOP FIELD OPENS UP AS DESANTIS UNDERPERFORMS, EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW ON TITAN SUB DISASTER

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00:01:26.840 Christ is king.

00:01:27.640 The search for the submersible that went missing while headed to the Titanic may be running out of time.

00:01:32.560 Experts estimate they have already run out of oxygen on board.

00:01:35.900 Everybody needs to back off Joe Biden about this.

00:01:39.160 He loves his son.

00:01:40.480 Biden called Xi a dictator and suggested the Chinese leader was embarrassed because he did not know in

00:01:46.740 advance that the Chinese spy balloon was flying over the U.S. last winter.

00:01:50.400 The Chinese government has reacted quite angrily and said that it's absurd to be equating the leader

00:01:57.940 of China, Xi Jinping, with other dictators in the world. 0.99

00:02:02.380 Ron has always been a loser. 0.89

00:02:04.820 In fact, he was going to lose the election in record numbers until I endorsed him. 0.98

00:02:09.020 I think people started to say, well, maybe we're willing to consider someone other than Trump.

00:02:13.740 They took a look at Ron DeSantis and then went back to Trump. 0.98

00:02:18.040 The culture wars, the dumb comments about Ukraine, he just doesn't connect with people. 0.98

00:02:23.920 He's not a good campaigner. 0.99

00:02:25.620 He's not a good debater.

00:02:26.600 So the Coast Guard saying that they have found a debris field in the area that they were searching.

00:02:30.580 This is obviously raises a lot of interest for what that debris field may be.

00:02:36.680 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome on board.

00:02:38.460 Today's edition of Human Events with Jack Posobiec.

00:02:41.120 Today is June 22nd, 2023.

00:02:44.100 Anno Domini.

00:02:45.620 Folks, we got a lot of news today.

00:02:47.520 New polls out in the race.

00:02:49.500 We've got new information regarding the submarine.

00:02:51.740 We're going to have someone on later to talk about this.

00:02:54.080 We have the latest update on that.

00:02:55.320 The Coast Guard has found a debris field in the search for the Titanic sub containing the rear cover and landing frame, which indicates a catastrophic implosion, say experts.

00:03:09.780 We're going to have more on that with a Coast Guard press conference that's set to take place at 3 p.m. Eastern.

00:03:17.100 So immediately following this show, we're also going to have a DCS wrote on.

00:03:21.080 But I want to go to panic for Democrats as a new poll shows Biden would lose to Trump if a third-party candidate entered the race.

00:03:31.880 This is a data for progress poll Democrats are worried no labels could run a third-party candidate that would cause Joe Biden to lose the re-election.

00:03:40.740 And look, they bring someone in.

00:03:42.720 They say if Larry Hogan were to get in, if some moderate were able to get in.

00:03:46.980 Now, the question, of course, what if RFK went to run as an independent?

00:03:53.080 What if he came in and ran?

00:03:54.340 Now, there's a lot of different options for this because, of course, RFK's coalition, as we talked about with Richard Barris yesterday, the People's Pundit, it does marry up with President Trump's existing support pays with the working class.

00:04:09.240 It cuts into the Rust Belt.

00:04:10.500 It cuts into those Reagan Democrats that were originally part of the Kennedy coalition.

00:04:14.160 Obviously, this guy coming in, we called him yesterday the anti-Kennedy Kennedy because he is a populist.

00:04:20.700 He's not running as an elitist.

00:04:22.580 He's not running as a globalist.

00:04:24.880 Does that mean we agree with him on social issues?

00:04:26.620 Of course not.

00:04:27.460 But I do think that there are a vast majority of issues from a political and an electoral standpoint where there would be populist crossover between the two candidates.

00:04:36.560 But this is a huge indication that Joe Biden is in a lot of danger right now.

00:04:42.820 And it's a huge indication that Trump is in a much stronger position that everybody believes.

00:04:48.900 And so, you know, of course, we had you guys may have seen on Tim Pool last night that there was a there was an interesting version of Tim Pool that hosted the show.

00:04:58.820 It seemed like some people thought it was me, but actually, you know, that was Tim 2.0 that definitely, you know, I don't know what you guys are talking about.

00:05:05.740 I'm the host of Human Events, even though, I mean, that host last night, handsome, charming, dashing, brilliant.

00:05:13.900 Just what an incredible show.

00:05:15.700 Everyone should definitely watch that.

00:05:18.560 Timcast 2.0.

00:05:20.760 And, of course, I'm still your host here, your humble host of Human Events.

00:05:24.780 We got a lot going on out there.

00:05:26.340 Raheem Kassam is going to join us in the next segment, because one of the things that I keep getting asked about, why are so many people suddenly jumping into the race for president?

00:05:37.900 We've got Will Hurd, the CIA agent out of Texas, who's running.

00:05:41.420 Rick Scott is talking about getting in the senator from Florida.

00:05:44.620 Obviously, that would have ramifications for Ron DeSantis, both being from the same state.

00:05:48.720 Then we're also hearing talk that Glenn Youngkin, the current governor of Virginia, who is term limited at one term, could also potentially be looking at getting in the race.

00:06:00.120 Larry Hogan out there talking about Ron DeSantis, saying Ron DeSantis hasn't quite stuck the landing.

00:06:07.080 He's not the person that people thought he was.

00:06:09.220 He doesn't have the campaign chops that people thought it was going to have, kind of like a minor leaguer who gets called up to the majors too early.

00:06:17.100 We will see why is it that there seems to be a feeding frenzy right now for obviously Chris Christie, since we're talking about feeding frenzies on the Republican side.

00:06:28.980 We're going to get into all this and more.

00:06:30.860 And will Gavin Newsom pop into the race on the Democrat side?

00:06:34.960 Stay tuned.

00:06:35.960 Human events is jam packed today, folks.

00:06:38.560 We have a lot to get into.

00:06:39.660 Not a lot of time to get it because there's a lot going on in our world.

00:06:43.680 But we are going to make sure that you are completely informed and much more informed than apparently the Ukrainian counteroffensive was that has been at this point.

00:06:53.520 Looks like they're calling things off.

00:06:55.760 Stay tuned.

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00:08:32.040 All right, guys, I want to play again this Larry Hogan clip because I think it's very instructive for the situation.

00:08:40.100 We're talking about the 2024 primary, what's going on.

00:08:43.220 I think this tees it up.

00:08:44.820 So let's play that clip again, and then we'll bring on our next guest.

00:08:47.740 As you look at the Republican field, Governor, evaluate Ron DeSantis so far.

00:08:53.020 I think DeSantis has really underperformed.

00:08:55.900 You know, he started out, and we've seen this happen before in other races, but he was the one getting all the attention.

00:09:01.940 He was wall-to-wall coverage on Fox News.

00:09:04.580 He was the only one other than Trump that was really getting a lot of attention.

00:09:09.540 He raised a ton of money.

00:09:11.800 He was a fairly successful governor in a big state who got reelected.

00:09:16.260 And then he started, you know, making all kinds of mistakes.

00:09:21.820 I think the campaign is one of the worst I've seen so far, and he's dropped like a rock.

00:09:28.020 And so I think people started to say, well, maybe we're willing to consider someone other than Trump.

00:09:33.200 They took a look at Ron DeSantis and then went back to Trump. 0.90

00:09:37.220 You know, I think the culture wars, the dumb comments about Ukraine, he just doesn't connect with people. 0.95

00:09:45.080 He's not a good campaigner. 0.98

00:09:46.720 He's not a good debater.

00:09:47.520 All right, I want to bring on our next guest, Raheem Kassam, editor-in-chief of the National Pulse.

00:09:54.080 Raheem, you guys have been running stories about all these candidates that are getting in the race, that are testing the waters, potentially getting in the race.

00:10:01.380 Now you've got a guy like Larry Hogan, which many people see as sort of this avatar of the GOP establishment.

00:10:07.660 He's an odd duck, right?

00:10:08.620 He's sort of a man without an island being, you know, a Maryland Republican.

00:10:11.820 You know, you've never heard of such a thing, right?

00:10:15.200 You know, a spotted zebra, if you will.

00:10:17.100 So what's going on here?

00:10:19.140 Has DeSantis failed to stick the landing?

00:10:21.620 Why are they sending out Hogan to talk like this?

00:10:23.940 And at the same time, we see Will Hurd's getting in the race in Florida.

00:10:27.580 Rick Scott's talking about getting in in Florida.

00:10:29.920 Excuse me, Will Hurd in Texas.

00:10:31.780 Rick Scott talking about getting in in Florida.

00:10:33.540 That would chip away, potentially, at the DeSantis base, which is already being fought over with President Trump.

00:10:39.260 Glenn Gunkin chopping at the bit in Virginia.

00:10:41.940 What is going on?

00:10:45.880 How else to describe it than than the same phrase I've used now for weeks and weeks, if not months on end, which is turmoil in Tallahassee.

00:10:56.660 And it is a it is a distinct, you know, people who have worked campaigns and I don't mean, you know, people who have knocked a few doors as grateful as people are for that work.

00:11:10.600 I mean, if you have not slept for three or four days running because you've been working at a campaign headquarters, if you've been managing your principal, you look at a situation like that that they've got in Tallahassee.

00:11:25.600 You look at a situation that they've got at the very top of the DeSantis campaign, and it's abundantly, painfully obvious to those with any campaign experience that this is not going to be the team that gets Ron, not even over the line, but even in even in close contention.

00:11:45.920 It's it's it's amateur hour.

00:11:48.400 It's lightweight.

00:11:49.860 And and here's the here's the thing that really gets me about this.

00:11:54.480 We talk about underperformance, right?

00:11:57.760 Underperformance is an understatement.

00:12:00.400 Quite frankly, this is him.

00:12:03.280 Ron DeSantis, the popular good governor, great governor.

00:12:10.180 Many people say, many of my Florida friends say, who is not just ruining himself in this election cycle and is not just ruining it for himself in four years time, but is actually ruining himself in perpetuity for what?

00:12:26.420 For a couple of ego trips that are given to him by his back slapping buddies who might be on the board at Fox News and so on and so forth.

00:12:33.300 And of course, his aspirational family around him, less we say about that, perhaps right now, probably the better.

00:12:40.780 But there's another point about all of this that I want to make, and it's that people need to to to internalize.

00:12:47.660 Now, the Ron DeSantis is primary Hillary, you know, got the got the media at his back. 1.00

00:12:56.180 You can have free airtime on Fox whenever he wants.

00:12:59.220 Get scarcely any critique by the corporate press, by the New York Times, by Politico, by the Washington Post, all of these guys.

00:13:08.040 Yeah, every so often they'll throw out a story or two, something light, a little slap around the wrist.

00:13:13.360 But that's generic Republican slap around the wrist.

00:13:16.160 That's not you're the front runner.

00:13:17.700 That's not we're afraid of you.

00:13:19.240 That's not what we fear you'll do in the White House if you get there.

00:13:22.580 That's par for the course.

00:13:25.240 And so in my mind, he's primary Hillary.

00:13:27.200 Everyone's helping him.

00:13:28.140 He's got the road before him, you know, supposed to be crowned as this kind of anti-Trump or, you know, not Trump figure in this primary.

00:13:38.240 And he can't get over 20 percent.

00:13:41.300 He cannot get there.

00:13:42.460 And I remember I was asked when I was standing outside the courthouse when the first indictment came down in New York.

00:13:48.200 Somebody shoved a microphone in my face and said, hey, what's your takeaway from today?

00:13:52.280 I said, my takeaway from today is Ron DeSantis has seen the peak of his polling numbers.

00:13:57.220 And it was absolutely correct.

00:13:58.860 And the donors are abandoning.

00:14:00.780 And now he's having to run to the lawyers and lobbyists of Dominion Voting Systems in D.C., where he will host a fundraiser tomorrow at the lawyer of Dominion Voting Systems offices.

00:14:13.720 I mean, this is critical, critical desperation.

00:14:18.820 Well, and, you know, there's a lot of people that that are looking at this and they're also taking a look and talking about Gavin Newsom, who's also on sort of a media tour right now.

00:14:29.600 He's in a bit of a back and forth with DeSantis, a tête-à-tête, as they're traveling to each other's states, fundraisers, et cetera.

00:14:38.040 But Gavin Newsom, you notice, is not running against Biden.

00:14:42.740 Instead, he's willing to say, I support Biden.

00:14:46.120 He stands with Biden.

00:14:47.840 He says he has his back.

00:14:49.300 Well, at the same time, going out there and basically all but coming out and saying, hey, DNC, I'm here if you need me.

00:14:57.660 I'm here.

00:14:58.540 Should anything happen to the other guy, the big guy, right?

00:15:02.560 Should anything happen?

00:15:03.500 Should the 10% go away? 1.00

00:15:05.280 I'm right here.

00:15:06.340 I've got my veneers.

00:15:07.440 I've got my hair gel.

00:15:08.740 I'm all ready to go.

00:15:10.580 I'm willing to go up against Sean Hannity.

00:15:12.580 And by the way, he did very well against Hannity.

00:15:14.980 I think Hannity folded like a cheap suit with Newsom in this case.

00:15:20.800 I think there's many rebuttals and other responses that Hannity could have made that he simply didn't.

00:15:26.560 I don't know if he was just, again, dazzled by the veneers or whatever it was.

00:15:30.940 But you don't see DeSantis doing that with Trump.

00:15:33.780 He's played this differently.

00:15:35.480 He said that I'm going to be running against Trump openly.

00:15:40.160 And that's created this fissure in the party.

00:15:42.980 By the way, Raheem, we actually do have that clip reminded.

00:15:46.880 So this is, what, mid-March, right?

00:15:48.600 This is mid-March.

00:15:49.380 You, about three months ago, standing out there in New York City as Trump's arraignment, or his original indictment, was announced.

00:15:57.900 Let's play the clip.

00:15:59.760 What's your gut feeling that's going to happen when this all unfolds?

00:16:03.360 I know that no one has a crystal ball here.

00:16:05.280 We don't know what day.

00:16:06.320 We don't know if anything's going to happen.

00:16:07.700 What's your gut telling you right now?

00:16:09.020 Well, my gut is telling me that Ron DeSantis peaked in the polls.

00:16:11.320 You know, I think his missteps this weekend are certainly an interesting focal point of the campaign as it goes forward.

00:16:18.720 But I think it also says this, right?

00:16:20.800 It's very evident that Donald Trump is the man going forward.

00:16:25.460 Like, he's the oxygen in every room here, politically.

00:16:29.140 When you talk about the legal elements of it, I've got to tell you, I don't have any moles in that office, not yet anyway. 1.00

00:16:34.720 Still working on it.

00:16:36.180 So I don't know, you know, when that's going to, when the trigger is going to get pulled on all of that.

00:16:40.680 What I can say to that, to all of it, is this.

00:16:43.800 It empowers Trump in a massive way.

00:16:46.000 It really does.

00:16:47.360 It really does.

00:16:48.360 It energizes.

00:16:49.020 People have come here from all over.

00:16:50.780 You know, I've come in from D.C.

00:16:52.100 So there you go.

00:16:53.680 And that's actually before Ron DeSantis announced that he was running.

00:16:57.520 You were essentially calling that he had already peaked the primaries effectively over the indictment.

00:17:02.820 Now we're seeing multiple indictments, probably two or three more yet to drop, galvanizing Trump's support.

00:17:08.920 Do you think it would have made sense for him to more to play this better the way that Newsom played it?

00:17:13.760 Well, look, you made the you made the correct point there, which is that was before the launch.

00:17:20.620 So it was a heck of a roll of the dice for me to say what I was going to say, what I said, because you expect a bump in the poll after your campaign launch.

00:17:28.380 And I took the opinion that I don't think he is going to have a particularly good campaign launch.

00:17:32.840 Obviously, I couldn't predict that it was going to be as bad and glitchy and botched as it was.

00:17:38.160 And it turned out that once again, Tallahassee delivered and Tallahassee continues to deliver.

00:17:42.720 You know, the secret here is is he needs a shakeup of the campaign in a drastic, drastic way.

00:17:51.280 I mean, the chief consultant, Jeff Rowe, has to go.

00:17:53.780 The top staff in there right now, Pushaw and all these guys, they have to go.

00:17:57.600 They have shown themselves to be fundamentally incompetent and they are ruining one of the best governors in America by continuing on this arrogant course, arguing with people online.

00:18:06.060 It doesn't work. And that, by the way, is why people are jumping into the race.

00:18:09.060 Right. To answer your very first question is people have seen this and they've allowed him this litmus test over the last couple of months.

00:18:15.820 Hey, can you break through? Can you break through nationally? No.

00:18:18.300 Can you break through locally anywhere? No. Can you break through in your own state?

00:18:21.940 No. Well, something needs a shakeup.

00:18:24.460 And I suspect that the next few days, maybe a week, are going to see some big movements in Tallahassee.

00:18:29.940 They have to get rid of that team. It's a disaster.

00:18:32.200 A disaster.

00:18:34.620 No, I think I think that potential shakeups are something and we've seen this from campaign after campaign.

00:18:40.740 This wouldn't be the first time that you saw campaign shakeups.

00:18:43.360 That could be something that comes out, having a new potential tack on things, a sort of a relaunch, if you will.

00:18:51.000 Stay tuned. We're coming right back with Raheem Kassam more after this.

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00:20:22.360 Raheem Kassam, I wanted to get your answer on that question, though, because we've seen now this, the way, okay, the way DeSantis played this.

00:20:32.320 And people are saying, it started out with us saying it, and you were saying it even before he got in the race.

00:20:37.580 Now you've got Larry Hogan saying it, who's not exactly some Trump supporter.

00:20:41.760 I mean, he's definitely not a Trump supporter.

00:20:43.620 But this question about the underperformance of Ron DeSantis, I said in the intro, it's like a minor leaguer who gets called up to the majors a bit too early.

00:20:53.660 It's not that he doesn't have the chops. It's just that the whole package isn't quite there yet.

00:20:58.500 But when you look at like a Gavin Newsom, the way that he's playing it on the other side of the aisle, it seems as though he's standing there.

00:21:06.020 He's letting, you know, letting the party bosses know, hey, I'm right here if you need me.

00:21:09.800 I'm going to be on the team, I'm going to be supportive, but I'm here if you need me.

00:21:14.360 Do you think that DeSantis would have been better served playing it like that?

00:21:19.440 By the way, before we get into that, tea drinkers of the world unite, quite frankly.

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00:21:45.620 That's right. Exactly. Columbian.

00:21:48.480 Couldn't help myself.

00:21:49.800 I, especially after the oddly homoerotic meme of us that came out this week, which was very interesting.

00:21:56.900 Was that real?

00:21:57.820 I was thinking that was just like a fever dream when I was driving home in the rain last night.

00:22:02.180 But yeah, no, apparently.

00:22:03.980 Apparently.

00:22:04.360 Listen, I've long been a fan of Tupac's Hit Em Up as one of the one of the pivotal diss tracks.

00:22:09.880 And I'm more than happy to be not just in the music video, but a supporting act, a dancer, in fact, behind Donald Trump in the video, which was which is wonderful.

00:22:19.440 A couple of things that I just want to make a point of on the back to the politics for a second.

00:22:24.540 And that's, you know, I really do think of this campaign that Ron DeSantis is running as the kind of fire fest of political campaigns at the moment.

00:22:34.900 Everything seemingly that can go wrong is going wrong.

00:22:38.980 And everybody gets to watch it in real time.

00:22:41.240 I mean, it's it's extraordinary to behold.

00:22:43.960 And you talked earlier on about that, you know, you call it a tête-à-tête against Gavin Newsom.

00:22:49.920 But, you know, what was the tête-à-tête?

00:22:52.080 The tête-à-tête was Newsom says, let's debate.

00:22:55.240 DeSantis says, stop pussyfooting around.

00:22:57.300 And then Newsom continues to pussyfoot around.

00:22:59.860 And I use this term, by the way, in reference to pussyfooting around.

00:23:04.480 Not what other people think I'm saying.

00:23:06.520 It's not tête-à-tête. 1.00

00:23:07.360 It's pussy or pussy is what's going on right now. 1.00

00:23:09.560 They're just they're just gently pawing at each other like kittens. 1.00

00:23:14.140 And it's it's fundamentally embarrassing.

00:23:16.320 I mean, frankly, it's embarrassing for both sides.

00:23:18.040 But I don't really care about Gavin Newsom's side.

00:23:20.080 Right.

00:23:20.520 Actually, do have some stock in what DeSantis stands for, ostensibly, and how he runs his campaign.

00:23:26.420 And it's deeply disturbing and deeply, I think, disappointing.

00:23:31.760 And it's and it's also disappointing, by the way, to the donors who have now ponied up millions upon millions of dons.

00:23:39.560 Pollers to put behind this guy.

00:23:41.900 And not only are they not seeing a shift in their favor, they're seeing a slip in the polls.

00:23:47.960 Now, there's another way to think about this.

00:23:50.000 I saw Jason Miller posted the graph of, you know, the more money they raise, the further down in the polls, the inverse correlation there.

00:23:57.720 I actually believe that every time Ron DeSantis gets up on a stage and starts talking about woke, woke and his nasal woke, that's when he starts slipping in the polls.

00:24:09.280 Because being anti woke and is just the bottom like bar, the bottom rung of the ladder of conservatism.

00:24:17.720 You know, you don't get to be celebrated because you're not a communist and not a Satanist.

00:24:24.020 And that's what he's going around doing.

00:24:26.140 He's going around giving speeches and going, aren't I brilliant for not being a communist and not being a Satanist?

00:24:32.140 And everyone's like, yeah, I mean, we do expect that from you, though, mate, like, to be honest with you.

00:24:38.300 And I think this is where it's all falling down.

00:24:40.400 It's going to fall down further because, you know, I don't expect Rick Scott and I don't expect Will Hurd to poll it more than one to three percent.

00:24:48.960 And that's with a margin of error of about three and a half percent.

00:24:52.000 But they won't be taking from Trump those one and three percent.

00:24:55.460 They will be taking from Ron DeSantis.

00:24:57.380 So maybe I'll make another maybe I'll make another prediction right here, by the way, like the one I made when you played in the last segment.

00:25:02.640 Maybe I can make another prediction.

00:25:04.280 Ron DeSantis to 10 percent midsummer.

00:25:07.860 Well, here's here's the the issue as well, is that we were going through and I hear this, by the way, in leaked audio, by the way, from the national polls dot com,

00:25:16.340 where they were laying out this delegate math strategy, this delegate math strategy for how Ron DeSantis can pick up delegates throughout the country and then be, you know, in some of the states where like Iowa, for example,

00:25:29.400 which apportions delegates throughout the caucus system, then other states like Texas and Florida are winner take all.

00:25:34.940 The issue then with Rick Scott running is that if he's able to pick up establishment GOP support, if Ron DeSantis picks up, you know, sort of that anti-Trump Republican support,

00:25:48.060 plus, you know, I'm sure plenty of people in Florida just generally support him as the governor.

00:25:51.900 But if if they divvy up that support base, Trump could come in with 34, 35, 36, even 40 percent, give or take, and he could sweep all of those delegates.

00:26:05.560 So if Rick Scott gets in the race, that's actually setting up the potential for DeSantis to lose his home state, isn't it?

00:26:12.300 Absolutely. Absolutely. As if as if he wasn't already running on that trajectory.

00:26:16.920 And that's that's another disaster that's that's looming around the corner for him.

00:26:21.420 And now, listen, I know there was some controversy the other day about this idea that they wanted to change the rules of the convention to bar somebody who's indicted or whatever from not standing.

00:26:31.180 And it became kind of a theoretical. And he said, she said, OK, let me say something here.

00:26:35.960 OK, DeSantis people and DeSantis supporters and friends of DeSantis supporters have said to me for months now that they are looking at how to change the rules at the convention to pick up, you know, so that they can rig it.

00:26:46.440 Right. Rig it in their favor. This is, by the way, the same thing we heard in 16, the exact same thing for Cleveland.

00:26:52.740 It's exactly the same thing. We're not saying like, oh, there's this new thing that's happening.

00:26:57.880 And it's Jeff Rowe. He did this for Cruz in 2016. He's now running the DeSantis team.

00:27:03.680 Actually, if you want for a little bit of spicy political trivia, the strategy to essentially take the nomination away from Trump at the convention by changing the convention rules was originally referred to as the steal of the 2016 Cleveland nomination.

00:27:28.980 And to wit, the original use of the phrase stop the steal actually referred to this strategy of taking the candidates, excuse me, the delegates away and the nomination away from Trump by the delegates at the RNC in Cleveland 2016.

00:27:46.740 That's where stop the steal came from. Sorry, DOJ. Sorry to Nancy Pelosi.

00:27:52.020 It has nothing to do with insurrections. It actually had to do with changing the rules of the RNC almost, what, eight years ago now at the end out in Cleveland, which, by the way, was the last convention the Republicans have held.

00:28:05.020 Well, maybe Ron can pass the apologies to Nancy Pelosi for you, because tomorrow, as I say, he's doing a fundraiser in the Dominion lobbyist office in downtown Washington, D.C.

00:28:18.880 And who is one of their chief lobbyists? Nancy Pelosi's former chief of staff.

00:28:22.940 It's a very cozy club and it looks like Ron is in it.

00:28:29.140 Raheem Kassam, editor in chief of the National Pulse. We've got about two minutes left.

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00:29:35.600 By the way, that print magazine is going to be exclusively where I feature the full write up of when I was on the plane on Trump Force One two weeks ago.

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00:30:43.680 All right, Raheem Kassam, The National Pulse, folks.

00:30:46.120 We are coming up next. William Conan, President and CEO of the Hydro Space Group.

00:30:49.740 We're going to understand what's going on with this sub and the latest. Stay tuned.

00:30:54.220 I'm buzzing in my ear about the boring people at your office.

00:30:57.740 I'm trying to listen to the new human events with Jack Posobiec.

00:31:01.400 All right, folks, there's been a story going on, and the United States Coast Guard will be holding a press conference at 3 p.m. Eastern in just about 20 minutes time following human events here.

00:31:15.780 And this is a story that's captivated the nation. I think it's captivated the world.

00:31:19.440 Suffice to say, people asking what is going on with the Titanic sub, the Titanic 5.

00:31:26.220 We do have new information that is breaking. I mentioned at the top of the show that, unfortunately, it is the worst-case scenario.

00:31:37.640 And if you caught last night on TimCast, we discussed this as well, that, unfortunately, is the most likely also the potential worst-case scenario,

00:31:46.240 that it does appear to be a catastrophic implosion that led to the destruction of this submarine as it was making its initial descent to the Titanic.

00:31:58.860 The landing frame, we're getting, and these are initial reports, but there is an ROV that is a remote-operated vehicle.

00:32:08.640 It's essentially a drone that is a research vessel that is down on the sea bottom searching the seafloor.

00:32:14.300 They are saying that the initial indications are that the landing frame and rear cover of this submersible have been found on the bottom of the ocean.

00:32:27.120 And this, of course, means that the inhabitants of the submersible, unfortunately, died instantly.

00:32:35.780 This would have not been the slow of people.

00:32:38.040 Well, initially, of course, experts were looking at it as a race against the clock in terms of, did they have enough air?

00:32:47.060 How much air did they have?

00:32:48.280 Were they going to be able to make it?

00:32:49.640 Would they be able – is it 72 hours?

00:32:51.940 Is it 96 hours?

00:32:53.380 You know, do they have extra?

00:32:54.740 Even there was a rear admiral early this morning who came out and said, you know, we have to, of course, remember the fighting human spirit, the fighting spirit to live.

00:33:03.340 Well, unfortunately, in a situation like this, a hull breach on a vessel of this very small, admittedly small size, would be catastrophic.

00:33:15.760 There would be no way to fix this.

00:33:18.020 Death would be – it would be instantaneous.

00:33:19.920 And when we look at situations like this, I understand we're trying to bring on president and CEO of Hydra Space Group, William Conan.

00:33:28.840 We're working on getting him up.

00:33:30.780 We have a – I believe we have a connection issue, but we're working on this to kind of go through what happened.

00:33:36.720 How was this certified?

00:33:38.880 Why were they allowed to go down in a vessel that when people are looking back at this thing now, there's a lot of questions.

00:33:45.900 As people are looking at the videos, people are looking at this situation, why were they allowed to go down in a vessel like this?

00:33:54.400 Okay, do we have him?

00:33:55.140 Do we have William?

00:34:00.820 All right, let's bring – all right, guys, let's bring him in now.

00:34:04.400 This is William Conan, president and CEO of Hydra Space Group.

00:34:08.820 They are a deep-sea submersible experts.

00:34:11.400 They're engineers.

00:34:12.000 This is exactly what they specialize in with us, William, and I understand you're getting the information just as we are.

00:34:18.880 Is this what you expected?

00:34:20.720 Were you hoping for more?

00:34:33.980 Okay, and, guys, we're having a little bit of an audio issue, apparently.

00:34:37.620 I'm not able to hear – we're going to see what's going on with that.

00:34:43.180 I thought we were right, guys, but I guess we're not there.

00:34:45.580 So Hydra Space Group, internationally recognized, expert, full-service engineering firm, pressure vessels for human occupancy.

00:34:52.000 You know, people need to understand, this is very deep, 13,000 feet.

00:34:57.180 This is deeper than U.S. military submarines operate.

00:35:00.280 This is deeper than most large mammals, most aquatics, biologics would be found in.

00:35:06.560 Some – potentially some whales, some giant squid can swim at depths, theoretically, approaching this, but for only short periods.

00:35:16.780 This is not a very forgiving part of the ocean.

00:35:20.900 I did spend some time on a submarine when I served in the United States Navy as an intel officer.

00:35:27.420 You know, I was not a – I wasn't a submarine guy, but I did – I had some experience, put it that way.

00:35:32.840 Probably the easiest way to say that without breaking NDAs.

00:35:35.780 But people need to understand that at that depth, it is extremely dark.

00:35:41.880 Lights are only able to travel so far.

00:35:44.300 That's why the image, the footage that you would see from a typical camera – think of the footage that you've seen of the Titanic, right?

00:35:51.940 The footage that you've seen is always very close up.

00:35:55.000 Why is that?

00:35:55.700 That's because the light is only able to travel so far.

00:36:00.000 So even though they have a porthole on the thing, you're only going to be able to see a little bit in front of the camera because due to the salinity of the water, the pressure that's down there, the light is just not able to penetrate much further.

00:36:14.920 There was also – by the way, Snopes.com had an article out claiming – and this was crazy to me – claiming that Elon Musk's Starlink was somehow to blame.

00:36:27.580 They were trying to put this on Elon, blame him, and say that Elon Musk's Starlink was to blame because they lost communication with the submarine.

00:36:34.600 And I said, wait a minute.

00:36:35.440 When you're on a submarine, when you're that far down, when you're even just a little bit in the ocean, you're not going to be receiving Wi-Fi, internet communications.

00:36:43.980 You're not getting 5G down there.

00:36:45.740 I don't care how good your Starlink is.

00:36:47.280 Now, if you are potentially tethered to a pod or a weather balloon, if you're at periscope depth, there are ways, obviously, to receive signals at depth.

00:36:57.060 But if this thing wasn't on tether, which we were told it wasn't, if this thing wasn't directly connected, then, no, there would be no way to communicate via Starlink.

00:37:07.480 And then so Snopes actually put out their story saying it was true that Starlink was involved.

00:37:13.960 It went and got community noted on Twitter, which, of course, is owned by Elon Musk.

00:37:20.040 This just shows that for a lot of people, they think this is like the movies.

00:37:23.760 They think this is like the Little Mermaid.

00:37:27.540 They think this is like, oh, we're just going to go down.

00:37:29.700 We have great technology.

00:37:31.620 People need to understand that the depths of the ocean are one of the great unexplored places of the United States.

00:37:40.420 And I'm told we have William this time.

00:37:42.400 William, do we have you?

00:37:44.180 One, two.

00:37:44.720 One, two.

00:37:45.100 Can you hear me?

00:37:46.360 I hear you loud and clear.

00:37:47.700 William, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:37:49.300 There we go.

00:37:49.820 Well, hi.

00:37:52.000 Yes, we have it up now.

00:37:53.300 Yeah, please go ahead.

00:37:55.300 Yeah, I was just listening to you on the Starlink.

00:37:57.820 Communication is important.

00:38:00.280 And people forget just how hard it is to communicate underwater with any vehicle.

00:38:05.240 We're so used to satellites, cell phones, radios.

00:38:08.260 And it was one of the strangest news we had from the very beginning that somehow the surface ship had lost complete communication with a submersible, both voice, text, and navigation pinger.

00:38:29.320 And that's very unusual.

00:38:33.480 And without those, it just makes everything so much difficult, as we've had in the last three days, trying to find out where is the submersible.

00:38:42.880 So with the latest news that we're seeing, of course, the debris field that we're told was found.

00:38:48.040 We've got a couple of minutes left before the break, but I do want to hold you over.

00:38:50.680 We're told there's a debris field.

00:38:52.100 We're told they found pieces of the submersible.

00:38:54.840 Do you think that's right then?

00:38:56.140 Does that confirm it looks like we're looking at catastrophic implosion?

00:39:01.020 Well, I've been hearing here for the last hour, as engineers, like, to find debris, it's a matter of looking at what the parts are.

00:39:08.560 If it's a part of antenna or a part of a cowling, that doesn't mean that it's imploded, right?

00:39:14.660 So just waiting, biding a bit of time here for the Coast Guard.

00:39:19.420 But we definitely know that the Coast Guard knows it's a charged term to use debris field.

00:39:24.880 Everybody knows what the insinuations are.

00:39:27.580 So I would suspect they wouldn't use the term loosely.

00:39:32.040 Well, I think that's a good point.

00:39:33.520 So, you know, of course, they're looking to set expectations.

00:39:37.660 They know they've got a tough job to do, potentially, from this perspective of, I think, what is it, about 15 minutes time.

00:39:44.720 We're told up in Boston now that they're going to be running forward with this press conference.

00:39:49.280 And I think that people are just looking for answers.

00:39:54.460 The story has certainly captivated a lot of people's attention, a lot of people's hearts and minds.

00:39:58.920 Some people saying that it was foolhardy.

00:40:01.540 Other people talking about the spirit of adventure, the spirit of exploration, pioneering.

00:40:05.640 We're coming up on a break, but I'd love to hold you over to get more of your expertise on this.

00:40:10.480 Because, again, it is, and to your point, it is a breaking situation.

00:40:13.720 We don't know for sure.

00:40:15.280 These are just the initial readings that we're getting.

00:40:18.100 Titan's mothership, eight hours that they spent looking for it before they reported it to the Coast Guard.

00:40:24.600 Five men locked inside on Sunday were told oxygen would have run out about 7 a.m. this morning, Eastern Standard Time.

00:40:35.560 The world had been praying for a miracle after this 21-foot vessel went missing.

00:40:40.540 And, unfortunately, it looks as though, potentially, that miracle is not coming this time.

00:40:46.560 Stay tuned.

00:40:46.840 We'll be right back here at Human Events.

00:40:48.080 We're going to break it all down.

00:40:48.920 All right.

00:40:54.480 We are back here with William Conan, who is a deep-sea engineer.

00:40:59.000 William, in the break, you were telling me that you were talking about the regulations, the fact that this is international waters.

00:41:05.240 And I'm just going to ask you point blank.

00:41:06.740 Would this submersible have been allowed to operate in U.S. or Canadian waters?

00:41:12.200 No.

00:41:13.200 No.

00:41:13.420 The Coast Guard, in its jurisdictional authority, which is basically the people in charge of the coastal waters, like the Coast Guard, would require the vehicle to be certified.

00:41:25.540 And so, in addition, the classification or certification is optional.

00:41:31.620 If you're building your own submersible, you don't have to class it.

00:41:36.380 But then, Ocean Gate was not making it to sell.

00:41:41.280 So, they had the option of not classing the vehicle.

00:41:44.740 But then, if they don't operate in the U.S. waters, the Coast Guard would force them to.

00:41:49.620 It turns out that since they were operating international waters, they got around both as a loophole.

00:41:57.200 And, you know, the question is, how do you control something like that?

00:42:01.020 Well, it's an exception to an exception.

00:42:04.700 And, I mean, it's very unfortunate.

00:42:07.740 Look, most of our industry here, we've had an exceptional record of a clean bill here of incidents for the last 50 years.

00:42:19.120 And we know why.

00:42:22.900 We pay a lot of attention, a lot of self-discipline that's exercised worldwide with this view, just to make sure we keep government at bay over here.

00:42:34.020 Of course, there has to be some level of regulation.

00:42:37.600 And I suspect we'll be having some discussion on how we do that.

00:42:41.600 It's definitely an open loophole.

00:42:44.680 Well, I think that's right.

00:42:45.680 Now, when we're talking about depth, 13,000 feet, in terms of operating depth, would you consider that to be extreme?

00:42:52.920 Would you consider that to be average, common, when you're talking about deep-sea submersibles?

00:42:57.960 No, this is definitely in this category of extreme.

00:43:02.620 Just to give a – I mean, we build submarines.

00:43:04.640 We've been building submarines for 30 years.

00:43:07.080 And, I mean, going 300 to 1,000 feet is deep.

00:43:14.120 I mean, just to go for fun.

00:43:15.520 I mean, this is very, very deep.

00:43:17.380 Going 3,000 feet or 1,000 meters, to put in reference, at 1,000 meters, any vehicle that is deeper than 1,000 requires an export license.

00:43:28.380 So, naturally, within manufacturers, it becomes a bit of a de facto line that, you know, you've got a lot of explaining to do if you're going deeper than that.

00:43:39.340 So, 1,000 feet is what's considered very deep in the industry.

00:43:43.760 Going 4,000 meters is extremely deep.

00:43:47.940 There are today 10 vehicles that can go to that depth.

00:43:51.440 All of them are certified, and OceanGate was an exception.

00:43:57.260 And most of these deep submersibles are three-person, two- or three-person.

00:44:01.660 This was a five-person.

00:44:03.700 That's why when it came up, you know, within our community, we are a small community.

00:44:09.080 These all exchanged.

00:44:10.720 The innovative idea to go 4,000 meters for five people, just that in and itself was already extremely challenging.

00:44:21.440 Well, that's right, and I can remember that just from my own experience in the Navy, that whenever we were dealing with submersibles or, you know, I happened to be in Naval Station Guam just a couple of years after James Cameron made his trip down to Challenger Deep in the Marietta Trench.

00:44:38.200 I mean, that was a single person, submersible, that went down that far.

00:44:41.440 There was no idea of bringing multiple people, let alone five.

00:44:45.140 Right, and Jim Cameron is, if you remember, the hall was actually quite small, right?

00:44:52.740 He practiced to sit in a very crouched position because the smaller the volume is, the stronger the cabin is to go all the way down.

00:45:01.640 So as you're getting, I mean, space is a luxury underwater under high pressure.

00:45:06.140 So making a very large cabin for five people like that is extremely difficult.

00:45:16.300 What do you say, what would you say to the folks that point out and say it's too dangerous, we shouldn't be sending people down there?

00:45:24.980 Is it not worth it in terms of exploring the deep sea?

00:45:29.500 How would you respond to folks who say that, you know, we shouldn't be down there and shouldn't be exploring this depth?

00:45:34.380 No, there is no reason.

00:45:37.900 We know how to do this.

00:45:38.940 We do it every day, going to 20,000 feet.

00:45:44.340 That is not the problem.

00:45:45.900 It's just, it is difficult.

00:45:49.780 You've got to be very careful.

00:45:51.460 And it's expensive.

00:45:53.140 And say, well, it doesn't make sense if we have to pay that much for these vehicles in tourism.

00:46:00.220 Well, that's kind of self-limiting.

00:46:01.680 But to try and cut, to try and bypass that system is not wise.

00:46:11.060 No, I think we're all finding that out.

00:46:13.180 Do you expect that they'll be able to recover the submersible at this point, even at that depth, whether or not the people have survived?

00:46:20.460 We're getting reports now that OceanGate is saying they don't believe the crew has survived.

00:46:24.020 But do you believe that they'll be able to recover the submersible itself?

00:46:27.880 Yeah, there's a significant deployment of equipment right now using remotely operated vehicles, ROVs.

00:46:33.860 And these are these very large robots.

00:46:39.020 These are very large robots with manipulator arms, cameras.

00:46:42.840 And, I mean, they fix our oil wells and all.

00:46:46.400 So you definitely have the capability to pick things up and bring them to the surface, yes.

00:46:51.140 Well, I think they will.

00:46:54.080 William Conan, President and CEO of the Hydro Space Group.

00:46:57.720 Thank you so much for joining us today.

00:46:59.680 For folks that are interested in what happened more, go check out Hydro Space Group.

00:47:04.620 William, thank you for joining us today.

00:47:06.840 Thank you, Jack.

00:47:08.300 Thank you.

00:47:08.840 God bless.

00:47:09.200 And you just have to say a prayer, folks.

00:47:12.960 Look, the spirit of adventure is a human spirit, something that everyone has.

00:47:19.040 And if we can show, I believe we have the photos of the five members of this ill-fated crew.

00:47:27.040 Paul, Henry, Nargolit, Stockton Rush, Hamish Harding, Shahzada Dawood, Suleyman Dawood.

00:47:34.480 And, you know, I saw people that they were saying, you know, oh, they, you know, wanted them to perish, wanted news like this.

00:47:41.660 We can't have that.

00:47:43.120 Even if you disagree with someone's options or someone's actions, these were human beings.

00:47:49.620 These people did not deserve to go like this.

00:47:52.900 And if there's any consolation, it is that it was fast, it was instantaneous.

00:47:57.620 But at the same time, it is the spirit of adventure.

00:48:01.340 It is the spirit of discovery.

00:48:02.400 It is the spirit of innovation that drives humanity forward, that pushes everything forward.

00:48:09.980 There are many ways that we can drive that spirit of exploration.

00:48:14.160 And we should never lose sight of it, whether it's pushing the frontiers of the depths of the ocean, pushing the frontiers of space, by the way.

00:48:23.960 And no, I'm not going to do the William Shatner line.

00:48:26.100 No, I don't know you want me to.

00:48:27.180 The idea is, the idea is, we should always be pushing forward to get to that next level.

00:48:35.360 That's the way that I look at things when I say we make America great again.

00:48:39.540 America is great when we are literally reaching for the depths, reaching for the stars.

00:48:44.760 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

00:48:46.840 In the commission of the air, we'll be lying to you on the wall.

00:48:53.300 Everyone's going to notino.

00:48:55.060 Yeah, thanks.

00:48:55.580 We'll be1990.

00:48:56.160 We'll be great.

00:48:56.700 Thank you.

00:48:56.920 We got your temper.

00:48:59.740 We'll be our guest today.

00:49:02.860 The light of the 책 is lying to you.

00:49:04.400 Because of course, Paul, if you are allowing me to offer you on this stack, the mö-ini,

00:49:05.180 that's why we are captures.

00:49:07.120 But in the kitchen is lying to you.

00:49:09.580 Where we are in the kitchen, the kitchen is saying that can use aosmereya in the kitchen.

00:49:11.620 You want to make sure we're the kitchen.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - June 22, 2023

EPISODE 501： GOP FIELD OPENS UP AS DESANTIS UNDERPERFORMS, EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW ON TITAN SUB DISASTER

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