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00:02:59.900 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events with Jack Posobiec.

00:03:06.640 Today is June 28th, 2023.

00:03:10.440 Now, folks, I don't know if you've been taking attention to the firestorm that's been going on online.

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00:03:38.160 don't anyone read that website?

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00:03:58.580 What we did was we found the articles and columns from National Review's Andy McCarthy.

00:04:09.200 And yesterday on the show, we read those for you back all the way in 2012 before he was at National Review.

00:04:16.340 Funny how he had a different opinion before he was at National Review when Barack Obama was there.

00:04:25.560 Now, when he's at National Review, it's very, very interesting.

00:04:29.440 Very, very interesting.

00:04:30.160 So National Review is sending out all their little henchmen, all their little jabronis,

00:04:35.400 all the little jobbers are coming out of Poso, coming out of Human Events,

00:04:39.860 because they are getting beat and they're getting absolutely wrecked.

00:04:45.000 They're getting absolutely wrecked by annons, by straight up annons in the comments 1.00

00:04:50.540 who can't seem to deal with it because they say, well, this is totally different, you see.

00:04:59.460 Barack Obama was the president in 2012.

00:05:03.380 And who was president in 2021, 2022?

00:05:07.060 But of course, that's the entire argument, isn't it?

00:05:10.940 And you've got annons like the great Wuhan clan that are arguing back in the comments saying,

00:05:16.660 the documents were ordered released to Mar-a-Lago prior to the inauguration.

00:05:21.460 Nice try again. 0.89

00:05:22.620 And then he says, nothing was released to the public during his presidency.

00:05:27.040 Oh, wait a minute.

00:05:27.780 Why did you add that extra little word public right there?

00:05:30.760 Why are you moving the chains?

00:05:32.380 Why are you moving the goalposts?

00:05:34.120 We didn't say they're released to the public.

00:05:35.260 We said they're released to Mar-a-Lago.

00:05:37.060 But of course, this is the issue, is they realize they've been caught with their pants

00:05:42.920 all the way down, all the way down, and saying Trump needs to go to jail for the very same

00:05:51.440 thing they defended Barack Obama for.

00:05:54.920 And they're all out in full force, right?

00:05:56.640 You've got Dan McLaughlin, you've got little Eddie Whelan, right now, Noah Rothman, and even

00:06:04.000 the editor, even the editor of National Review himself is calling out human events today.

00:06:09.160 And you know what I say?

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00:06:40.040 So stay tuned, folks.

00:06:41.460 We're going to be going through this.

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00:08:38.980 Now, last week, we were having a discussion about the unrest in Kosovo, and it looked as

00:08:46.940 though, and this was the opposite of what was going on during the Trump administration.

00:08:50.680 We knew there were peace deals in the works for the Korean Peninsula, for the Middle East,

00:08:56.140 the Abraham Accords, in the Balkans with the Kosovo peace agreements that were being signed

00:09:01.180 by the special envoy Rick Grinnell, who was there, yet there were tensions kicking off

00:09:05.700 again.

00:09:06.180 The Barack Obama, or excuse me, the Obama, Victoria Nuland, who was in the Obama administration,

00:09:11.640 Freudian slip right there, who's now back, was flaming these tensions even more today.

00:09:17.180 And then what happened, somebody went over at the behest of the locals to say, can you

00:09:24.340 come to an agreement here?

00:09:26.260 And what's interesting is when they were asked about this very situation, who was it that

00:09:32.180 was able to broker the new deal?

00:09:34.980 Well, the Biden administration refused to tell us.

00:09:39.540 Guys, let's play that clip right now so people can see what's going on.

00:09:42.880 And the former US official from the previous administration in meditating the release of

00:09:48.880 the three Kosovo police officers, I was told today that it was not a US former official from

00:09:55.620 the previous administration, but in fact, Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who played a role in

00:10:00.920 which decision to release the Kosovo policeman.

00:10:04.640 So can you provide any updates on this matter in the context of what Matt asked today and

00:10:10.260 the updates I have today, and whose diplomacy is responsible for the release?

00:10:15.340 So I will not put myself in the position of speaking for former administration officials.

00:10:20.440 I have a big enough job already.

00:10:23.060 I will speak for the United States Government in what we did, which is call for the release

00:10:26.660 of those three police officers.

00:10:28.040 And as I said yesterday, we were pleased to see their release.

00:10:32.460 As is often the case, success has a thousand fathers.

00:10:35.360 And whatever the ultimate reason the authorities does, whatever the ultimate reason was that

00:10:40.260 caused the authorities to release those three police officers, we were happy to see it happen.

00:10:46.340 Well, to hopefully shed light on this situation, because the Biden administration seems to have

00:10:50.800 no idea what's going on in Kosovo.

00:10:52.320 We are now excited to bring back on the show former Trump ambassador to the region,

00:10:57.580 Rick Grinnell.

00:10:58.840 Ambassador Grinnell, could you possibly answer the question for the State Department there?

00:11:04.780 Look, that was a nice diplomatic dance.

00:11:07.800 What they admitted is that they called for the release.

00:11:12.420 And that's true.

00:11:13.340 They did call for the release.

00:11:16.460 My criticism is that they just didn't do anything but call.

00:11:20.920 They didn't do anything but speak words from Washington, D.C.

00:11:25.320 Look, here are the facts.

00:11:29.080 No American or EU official was going to North Kosovo to meet with the people who were most

00:11:37.880 impacted, the people who were feeling the brunt for the last six, seven, eight weeks.

00:11:43.960 And while the violence began to unfold, nobody would go there.

00:11:50.020 And I did.

00:11:51.960 I was welcomed there.

00:11:54.640 And there was a clear need to hear the people, hear their concerns, and to say to them,

00:12:02.460 look, this is why the three police officers of the Albanian ethnicity should be released.

00:12:12.140 And part of the reasoning is because the prime minister of Kosovo has unilaterally made decisions

00:12:19.360 to inflame the situation.

00:12:21.140 NATO has condemned him.

00:12:22.360 Both Republicans and Democrats have condemned him.

00:12:25.200 The Europeans have now condemned him.

00:12:27.080 But he was just being allowed to get away with this unilateral action.

00:12:32.660 And so I think everything shifted.

00:12:35.400 When I went, Jack, you know, I was told don't go because it's dangerous.

00:12:41.200 And I actually went without security.

00:12:44.460 I went on my own with a driver and was greeted.

00:12:48.640 20 different leaders sat down and talked with me.

00:12:51.960 We had long, lengthy conversations all day long.

00:12:54.720 I walked the streets.

00:12:57.080 I went to lunch.

00:12:59.020 And I really just presented the case to them so that they could hear why it was important.

00:13:04.860 Nobody had done that.

00:13:06.260 And the old adage of actually going and showing up is, you know, nine-tenths of the work proved

00:13:13.440 to be true.

00:13:15.000 And I will agree that there's a whole bunch of people that deserve credit that continue

00:13:20.840 to talk about this.

00:13:22.120 Certainly, Albanian Prime Minister, Edi Rama, Orban.

00:13:27.540 But I wouldn't give much credit to the Biden administration or the Europeans.

00:13:33.020 They're the ones who are supposedly in charge.

00:13:36.100 And they wouldn't show up.

00:13:37.820 Matter of fact, the EU official who is in charge was in Washington talking with Victoria

00:13:43.740 Newland.

00:13:44.340 And they both were wagging their finger at the region when I was actually in the region.

00:13:49.940 So I think diplomacy means you've got to do the tough work.

00:13:55.720 And I'll just say this.

00:13:56.700 I've worked at the State Department for 11 years.

00:13:59.380 The State Department officials, they want to do the tough work.

00:14:03.640 They don't want to be evacuated out.

00:14:05.960 There's so many State Department officials who want to do diplomacy.

00:14:09.800 But this is an administration that removes the diplomats and just marches towards war so

00:14:16.380 fast.

00:14:17.160 I find it to be sad and a real problem.

00:14:21.060 We need tough diplomats and we need the Democrats to stop making fun of tough diplomats, but putting

00:14:26.940 in their own tough diplomats.

00:14:28.940 I mean, Ambassador, there's these images of you just walking down the street or juxtaposed

00:14:35.980 with and if anyone's watching some of the video from the region prior to your visit, there

00:14:41.500 have been protests, there have been there was violence.

00:14:44.740 It spilled over into even people getting into fights with some of the NATO peacekeeping forces

00:14:50.340 that are there.

00:14:51.040 The idea that you went without security, I mean, that's something that I haven't seen

00:14:57.120 anyone from the Biden administration that was willing to do.

00:15:01.400 When you were in the region, did they try to contact you at all?

00:15:04.420 Did the Kosovo Security Force try to contact you?

00:15:07.360 Anything like that?

00:15:08.120 Or was there complete radio silence on their end?

00:15:12.040 Well, as you know, Jack, I go pretty often to the region.

00:15:14.760 And my not this last visit, but the visit before I did get a call from the NSC just to say,

00:15:22.080 you know, what are you hearing?

00:15:24.180 Can you just help us out on what you're hearing on the ground?

00:15:28.320 I spoke I ran into when I was in the region in in my hotel.

00:15:34.420 I was in the hotel lobby and I ran into a Democratic U.S.

00:15:37.340 senator.

00:15:37.720 I don't want to say who it was, but I ran into a Democratic senator, a senator who did not

00:15:42.520 vote for me and who has been very critical of MAGA policies.

00:15:48.100 But this individual senator said to me, you know, he asked me a question.

00:15:52.600 He said, did you were you dealing with all of this when you were the presidential envoy?

00:15:57.760 And I said, you know, to be honest, senator, we were talking about getting rid of NATO troops

00:16:01.860 because the conflict was largely dying down and we were signing economic agreements and

00:16:08.760 and normalization agreements.

00:16:10.280 But now you're adding NATO troops.

00:16:13.680 And that's because you put the the Biden policy is that the Europeans are in charge and that

00:16:18.800 the Americans are not going to take a lead role.

00:16:21.500 And I told this senator, that's a mistake.

00:16:24.180 You've got to have American leadership.

00:16:25.800 There is no replacement for American leadership.

00:16:28.220 And this U.S. Democratic senator said to me, you'll be surprised, Rick, but I agree with

00:16:35.340 you.

00:16:36.300 So shortly after that is when the White House called and said, can we get a readout?

00:16:40.940 So I don't know if that Democratic senator tipped them off or or what.

00:16:44.900 But I gave a readout to the Biden people, the Biden NSC, and then radio silence.

00:16:52.220 I didn't hear anything.

00:16:53.000 And so when I went to the region, I still didn't hear from them.

00:16:56.000 But I will also tell you that after I got back from the region, I spoke to a very senior

00:17:02.860 U.S. State Department official and I said, why isn't anyone from the U.S. going to North

00:17:09.600 Kosovo to speak to the people most impacted?

00:17:12.860 And his response to me was, our diplomatic security review says it's too dangerous for

00:17:19.900 an American to go.

00:17:21.620 And I said, I had lunch with those people today.

00:17:25.140 I mean, show up.

00:17:26.440 This is what you're supposed to do.

00:17:28.140 You're a diplomat.

00:17:29.000 You're not supposed to be, you know, in Paris, sipping wine and drinking brandy and having

00:17:35.880 nice meals.

00:17:37.040 You're supposed to go to the region and do diplomacy.

00:17:41.040 Diplomacy is tough.

00:17:42.500 It's not for the weak.

00:17:43.480 I mean, this this is just an incredible story.

00:17:47.280 And and by the way, that should be the way things are done.

00:17:50.800 The fact that they reached out to you, whether it's, you know, Republican, Democrat, conservative,

00:17:56.480 liberal at home abroad.

00:17:58.520 We should be able to work together because hopefully we're all putting the best interest

00:18:03.420 of the United States forward.

00:18:05.400 And I would certainly hope that a peace agreement, whether it's Ukraine, whether it's Balkans,

00:18:11.460 whether it's Korea, China, et cetera, is always going to be better.

00:18:15.480 And in the interest of the American people, as opposed to anything else, we're speaking

00:18:19.760 with Ambassador Grinnell.

00:18:20.860 We're going to take a quick break, but come right back.

00:18:23.100 This is a fascinating story.

00:18:24.560 And when we come back, Ambassador, I'd love to ask you just if you can reveal any other

00:18:28.180 details about what it was like during your time there, your ability to put this together

00:18:32.880 and where you think the current status of this is going.

00:18:36.800 Because, of course, just a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about potential NATO operations

00:18:42.320 resuming in Kosovo.

00:18:44.620 Now, suddenly, the standoff is over.

00:18:47.240 You're getting these police officers who had been detained, who were released.

00:18:50.940 This is what we should all want.

00:18:52.480 This is what we should all work for.

00:18:53.980 But it turns out that there are some people who don't.

00:18:59.000 Okay, we're back.

00:18:59.980 Jack Posobiec, Human Events.

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00:19:59.500 I want to continue our fascinating interview with Ambassador Rick Grinnell.

00:20:04.020 He's just returned from the Balkans, where he was essentially instrumental, I would say.

00:20:09.220 And to your point, Ambassador, not all by yourself.

00:20:12.480 Obviously, a lot of people had a hand in this.

00:20:14.560 But securing this agreement to end the standoff, I'll say, at least the current one that was

00:20:20.740 going on regarding these couple of police officers had crossed the line and they were

00:20:24.740 being detained.

00:20:25.520 And there was a question of what the status was.

00:20:27.920 They were eventually released.

00:20:30.240 Tell me, what was it like when you were there?

00:20:31.880 Were you hearing the same type of tensions flare up again?

00:20:35.260 Or was it another situation where people seemed like they wanted to be able to work things

00:20:39.480 out?

00:20:41.160 Look, I think this whole region is a tinderbox right now.

00:20:44.940 And one of the reasons why is because the international community has really lost its

00:20:48.900 credibility.

00:20:49.860 And let me kind of explain.

00:20:51.200 I constantly get hit from people saying, you're too pro-SERB or you're too pro-Albanian

00:20:57.760 or too pro-Kosovo.

00:20:59.020 So I like the fact that I'm in the middle.

00:21:02.300 I call it like I see it.

00:21:03.700 And I think I'm the only person in the world.

00:21:06.720 I think this is a fact that has received the highest medal of honor from the government

00:21:13.120 of Serbia and separately from the government of Kosovo.

00:21:16.400 So I'm proud to be in the middle.

00:21:17.980 But when I push the Serbian government, which I have for years, I try to pull them away 1.00

00:21:25.460 from Russia.

00:21:27.040 You know, roughly 50 percent of the people in Serbia are pro-Russian.

00:21:31.460 They grew up with speaking Russian.

00:21:34.080 And so it's a very complicated issue.

00:21:35.620 But I've always made the case that Serbia's future is with America, not with Russia or

00:21:41.060 China.

00:21:41.480 I constantly have that that messaging going forward.

00:21:46.340 And I've been very pleased to see the Serb government move towards America.

00:21:51.240 They've replaced the minister of defense who was pro-Russian before and who's now totally

00:21:56.280 pro-American, pro-West, pro-EU.

00:21:59.120 They've done a decent job of moving away from Russia during the Ukraine war.

00:22:05.380 President Vucic has been very clear about condemning that war.

00:22:11.460 You know, there's been criticism of Vucic to do more on sanctions, which we're constantly

00:22:16.220 pushing him on.

00:22:17.000 But you've got to understand that his people, 50 percent Russian and 50 percent West, it's

00:22:23.780 a very difficult situation.

00:22:25.740 We have to continue pressuring the Serbs. 1.00

00:22:28.080 But the difference is right now is that the prime minister of Kosovo is vehemently anti-American.

00:22:34.820 He will say that he's not.

00:22:36.940 But there's not a single American policy, a Western policy that he has ever supported

00:22:43.100 throughout his entire life.

00:22:45.500 And he has now received the prime minister of Kosovo has received condemnation from NATO,

00:22:51.380 all of the European countries, Republicans and Democrats in America.

00:22:55.760 That is unprecedented to see a Kosovo leader being so condemned.

00:23:01.380 But I think it's because everybody sees exactly what's happening.

00:23:05.320 So when the Albanian Kosovo police officers were detained in Serbia, really the narrative

00:23:14.120 switched.

00:23:15.280 And suddenly the Serbs were in a position of saying, wait a minute, we've been blaming Kosovo

00:23:20.760 for their unilateral action, which we continue to do.

00:23:23.740 But you've got to release these police officers.

00:23:26.500 Otherwise, we can't go forward.

00:23:27.780 And it seems to be inflaming the situation.

00:23:30.320 When I went to the region and I talked to the individuals who were Serb inside of Kosovo,

00:23:35.400 they said, look, this is just a reaction because we're being bullied by the prime minister of

00:23:40.220 Kosovo.

00:23:40.660 We can't move.

00:23:41.480 We're locked down.

00:23:42.460 We've got their special forces intimidating us.

00:23:45.160 So the emotions were high.

00:23:46.800 And what I tried to do is say to the Serbs, you need to release these individuals so that 1.00

00:23:55.120 the international community can go back to putting pressure on the Kosovo leader, Elvin

00:24:02.660 Kirti.

00:24:03.760 And I made that case pretty hard.

00:24:05.340 And I think a lot of people did.

00:24:06.900 Again, the prime minister of Albania, Idi Rama, member of NATO.

00:24:10.540 He was very instrumental.

00:24:12.520 I spoke to him and he had very tough words for trying to deescalate this as well.

00:24:18.800 But there was only one person, me, that was willing to go in and talk to them and present

00:24:24.480 this case.

00:24:25.840 And so I wish that we could have more bipartisan support.

00:24:29.740 Let me just finish very quickly with this Democratic senator that I spoke about.

00:24:35.440 I said to this guy, you know, I'm totally willing to work with a presidential envoy that Joe

00:24:45.080 Biden appoints to the region, but it needs to be somebody who can walk into the Oval

00:24:49.680 Office and get President Biden's attention, not somebody at the State Department that has

00:24:53.700 to request a meeting at the White House, but somebody who is credible, who can walk in

00:24:58.680 and get stuff done.

00:25:00.700 That's what you need in a presidential envoy is somebody who Biden trusts, somebody that

00:25:05.320 that, you know, is a foreign policy person who's got credibility with both the Serbs

00:25:11.260 and Kosovo and Albania.

00:25:14.140 And they just I'm sure that there's somebody out there that would take this job and show

00:25:20.420 American leadership.

00:25:21.300 And that was my the case that I made to this Democratic senator.

00:25:24.880 And he agreed with that as well.

00:25:27.320 And hopefully they're moving in that direction.

00:25:29.760 I don't see any sign.

00:25:30.680 I still think they leave it with the State Department.

00:25:33.360 And, you know, anything in Anthony Blinken's portfolio tends to just go away like mush.

00:25:38.840 There's no action there.

00:25:40.060 So it's frustrating.

00:25:41.020 But I don't think this de-escalation is just going to stick forever.

00:25:46.120 We've got to continue pressing forward.

00:25:48.280 Somebody needs to pick this up.

00:25:50.060 And it needs to be an American with with, you know, diplomatic muscle.

00:25:54.440 Well, I think that's right.

00:25:56.600 I mean, we've not reduces to much.

00:25:59.340 I mean, Tony Blinken, of course, is really and I think rightfully, by the way, he pinned

00:26:05.880 down with a lot of the responsibility for what happened in Afghanistan and the way that

00:26:11.120 he was clearly in charge of the failed withdrawal there.

00:26:14.800 The situation, we don't even need to relitigate it.

00:26:17.140 We all saw what happened.

00:26:18.080 That being said, when you look at the Balkans, when you look at Kosovo, Serbia, obviously

00:26:25.160 North Kosovo being specifically the region that's targeted now where this is simmering,

00:26:29.760 what do you see going forward?

00:26:32.340 Do you see an ability for a continuation?

00:26:35.560 Essentially, what it sounds like you are talking about is that there is a sort of bipartisanship

00:26:41.800 spirit that you are unilaterally just basically able to work on, not only by putting the Serbs 1.00

00:26:49.740 and Albanians together, but also here in the U.S., Republicans and Democrats.

00:26:54.780 Look, I've been blunt and this doesn't go over very well with people who some I should say

00:27:02.340 some people in Kosovo.

00:27:03.540 But the current prime minister in Kosovo, Elvin Kirti, is a disaster.

00:27:07.480 And again, he's being condemned by every single corner, from NATO to Europe to all sides of

00:27:18.160 the aisle in America.

00:27:19.280 And that's unprecedented.

00:27:20.660 Americans have done a lot for the people of Kosovo.

00:27:24.260 We've been there and we have never seen a leader that is so anti-American.

00:27:30.100 Look, it's the Indiana National Guard that is in Kosovo right now.

00:27:39.460 Texas is coming in July, the Texas National Guard.

00:27:42.720 Iowa National Guard has been there in the past for a very long time.

00:27:47.800 This has American national security implications.

00:27:52.640 There's no question.

00:27:53.440 Our people are there and we're paying for it.

00:27:55.220 And so we need to make sure that we don't just allow these things to linger.

00:28:00.560 You know, I spent eight years at the UN, Jack, and we've got 12 peacekeeping operations there.

00:28:05.740 Some of those have been around for 50 years.

00:28:09.500 A couple of those peacekeeping operations are a billion dollars a year that just get rolled over.

00:28:16.860 American taxpayers are paying 25 percent of that.

00:28:20.880 And so we need people who are holding these people to account, to a standard.

00:28:27.480 We just can't have peacekeeping operations that go on for 50 years with no benchmarking.

00:28:33.740 That's not good government.

00:28:36.100 And I don't care when I stand up and I say that this is unacceptable and we've got to change these,

00:28:41.580 that I'm attacked for being, you know, mean-spirited or whatever they want to say, biased.

00:28:47.860 I want there to be results.

00:28:49.640 There's got to be peace to have a peacekeeper.

00:28:52.200 And if you're not going to have peace and you're not going to be able to demonstrate that you know how to get along with your neighbor,

00:28:59.700 then, you know, maybe we don't need to be paying for peacekeepers.

00:29:02.900 You need to work it out and you let us know when you want some peacekeepers.

00:29:07.860 That's exactly right.

00:29:08.900 Because, of course, peacekeeping missions are intended to be temporary, at least when they're authorized.

00:29:14.060 That's kind of the – that's the original point if people like go back to their, you know, international relations 101 from back in school.

00:29:21.460 Ambassador Grinnell, thank you so much for this interview and thank you for your efforts as well in working to keep the peace.

00:29:28.680 Where can people go to follow you, to follow your work, to get more information on your next moves?

00:29:35.400 Well, thanks, Jack, for always covering these great issues.

00:29:37.640 I encourage people to – if you're interested in foreign policy, you've got to follow Jack Posovic.

00:29:42.520 I mean, it's always something that is at the top of your content list, and I love it.

00:29:49.420 For me, you can go to at Grinnell on Truth, at Richard Grinnell on Instagram and Twitter.

00:29:57.460 All right, Ambassador Grinnell, thank you so much for joining us here at Human Events.

00:30:01.320 And, yes, this is true.

00:30:02.300 We at Human Events, we work very hard to put our geopolitical hat on, not only with my history from being an intelligence officer focused on the Chinese Communist Party, but everything that's going on now, Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, everything that's happening in the world.

00:30:19.740 We're putting in the hours.

00:30:20.820 We're putting in the time.

00:30:21.760 We're working at sources all around the world on a regular basis to crunch down on this.

00:30:26.580 But I want to go from international relations to domestic relations.

00:30:29.980 We're going to talk about the 2024 election and the rise of RFK.

00:30:35.500 And we're going to speak to RFK's publisher, Tony Lyons, who will join us next here on Human Events.

00:30:43.320 You need to pay attention to this because we can't overlook the fact that there is a Kennedy running for president.

00:30:48.580 He's out there.

00:30:49.180 Stay tuned.

00:30:49.660 Human Events continues.

00:30:53.000 I'm buzzing in my ear about the boring people at your office.

00:30:56.440 I'm trying to listen to the new human events with Jack Posobiec.

00:31:01.820 All right.

00:31:02.520 Well, in the spirit of bipartisanship, just as we were talking about in the last segment, you know, we try to be nice.

00:31:08.640 We try to be nice when things do warrant themselves.

00:31:11.000 We try to be fair.

00:31:12.540 I'll put it that way.

00:31:13.220 We're always fair.

00:31:13.960 I wanted to bring on now Tony Lyons.

00:31:16.240 He is the publisher of Sky Horse Books and also the co-chair and co-founder of American Values 2024.

00:31:23.440 Tony joins us now to talk about the sudden and perhaps not so surprising rise of RFK Jr.

00:31:32.540 Tony, thank you for joining us here at Human Events.

00:31:35.260 Yeah, thanks for having me on.

00:31:36.320 So, Tony, it's amazing to me when I look at RFK Jr., you know, obviously everyone's known him his whole life because of the family, because of the lineage, then, you know, more so because of his work in the public sector, first on environmental issues, then on, you know, eventually pharmaceutical issues, public health issues.

00:31:56.840 I think that got him a lot of crossover appeal into, you know, into conservative spaces, into the right, into the center.

00:32:04.960 He writes this.

00:32:06.020 And then last year, of course, he wrote that huge book on Dr. Anthony Fauci, which you guys were able to publish.

00:32:11.700 It became, you know, sort of the number one book in the country that no one wanted to talk about, or at least no one in the mainstream media wanted to talk about.

00:32:18.480 And now he's building on all of that, riding that wave into a huge campaign.

00:32:25.200 He's done every major show.

00:32:27.320 He's done every major podcast, except this one, I should add.

00:32:30.220 Though we did do an event, did do an event together last year for the anti-vaccine mandate march where I was, full disclosure, was able to meet him as well, Dr. Malone, Dr. McCullough, a few others that were at the event.

00:32:42.660 It was a great event, you know, happy to stand up against mandates.

00:32:47.040 Put your political cap on me for a minute.

00:32:49.300 Why is it that he's picking up so much support, at least on the populist left side with other other members of traditional Democrat families?

00:33:01.820 What is it about RFK Jr. that seems to be striking a chord right now?

00:33:05.180 Well, what's happening, you know, when his book came out last year, you know, the real Anthony Fauci was the most censored book in my lifetime.

00:33:14.460 And yet it still sold 1.1 million copies.

00:33:18.100 So, you know, he was banned from advertising, from all the big tech platforms.

00:33:22.900 He was censored in every way.

00:33:25.400 They were hit pieces in all the major newspapers just day after day.

00:33:29.160 But the American people rebelled, and they just wouldn't accept that.

00:33:33.800 So I think the same kind of thing is happening now with him as a candidate.

00:33:37.980 It's one thing to censor somebody's book.

00:33:40.720 But this is a democracy.

00:33:42.520 And people see that he's being censored, that he's being taken off all the big tech platforms when he's just trying to tell his point of view, his view of how this country ought to be run to the public.

00:33:54.120 And that somehow is being considered misinformation.

00:33:57.580 So that's just wrong.

00:33:59.340 And I think people recognize that it's wrong, and they just won't stand for it.

00:34:03.540 And they see that people call him dangerous, but he's just a danger to the swamp.

00:34:09.200 He's the danger to big corporations who are corrupt, to a government that's corrupt.

00:34:15.040 And that's what I think is bringing people to him from the left, from the right, from the center.

00:34:20.980 They see it's not about left or right.

00:34:23.200 It's about right or wrong.

00:34:25.060 It's about having a politician that's willing to tell you the truth.

00:34:28.760 Well, I think that's right.

00:34:31.580 You know, and look, I know that when I talk to our, you know, our audience, when I get messages, when we talk about RFK Jr., they say, you know, I'll get people who say, hey, he's not with us on the social issues.

00:34:42.400 And I say, you know what?

00:34:43.040 I get that.

00:34:43.540 But I do also hear a lot of people saying, you know what?

00:34:47.820 I'm skeptical of some of these new vaccines.

00:34:50.120 I have questions about the vaccine schedule for children.

00:34:53.360 I have questions about the national security agencies, which obviously we were just talking about earlier in the program here.

00:34:58.520 And suddenly we're not, you know, it's like those of us who have all had all these questions, we're not used to having a guy who's a Democrat with the last name of Kennedy actually be in agreement with us.

00:35:10.260 Yeah, sure.

00:35:40.260 You know, who's really going to try to set this country straight, who's going to decouple the federal agencies who are supposed to be protecting us from protecting big pharmaceutical companies and big oil companies and big tech companies against us.

00:35:57.600 Well, I think that's right.

00:35:58.800 And essentially that's that's the populist appeal.

00:36:01.300 And I think when when he was on Joe Rogan very recently and he was asked about President Trump, it's essentially the same thing that he said.

00:36:09.220 He said, look, the middle class is under attack right now.

00:36:13.180 They've been under attack for a long time.

00:36:14.920 And suddenly nobody seemed to actually be talking about that because so many people were getting rich off of it, both sides of the aisle.

00:36:22.840 And then he mentioned that's really what led to Trump having that firebrand success in 2016 was because he rode that very same wave.

00:36:32.000 It's also interesting, by the way, and I'm sure you've taken notice of this as well, that he and President Trump have been kind of kind of trading compliments back and forth, which, of course, is not something that Donald Trump is exactly known for when it comes to other presidential candidates.

00:36:47.220 What do you think is driving that?

00:36:48.240 Well, they're they're both kind of outsiders and they're both being censored and vilified, you know, in the same kinds of ways.

00:36:57.000 So if you believe in democracy, you shouldn't want to have a president taken off Twitter.

00:37:03.000 You shouldn't want to have presidential candidates, you know, treated like they can just be kicked off every major big tech platforms that they cannot be covered, that they can be vilified in every way.

00:37:16.580 You know, that's not what happens in a democracy.

00:37:19.260 So it's not about whether you're for Trump or for Kennedy, it's that you're for certain constitutional values and those values are at stake here.

00:37:30.060 And I think that that's what people are recognizing on the left and the right.

00:37:33.920 They're recognizing that all of our rights are at stake and that if we don't protect Bobby Kennedy and Donald Trump's right to campaign, you know, openly and freely, that our whole democracy is at stake.

00:37:48.640 Well, I couldn't agree more, Tony.

00:37:52.040 And, you know, when when I look at it, it's it's kind of a question.

00:37:55.900 I think Americans love fairness.

00:37:58.340 Americans love the idea of fair play.

00:38:01.220 We also love a good fight.

00:38:02.360 We love a good competition.

00:38:03.360 But at the same time, when someone's watching, whether it's the you know, whether it's the local Little League game or the World Series or whether it's, you know, pickup football in the backyard or the Super Bowl.

00:38:14.960 No, we don't like when it feels like the umpires or the referees are in for one side or the other.

00:38:22.260 We don't like when there's double standards.

00:38:24.180 We don't like when there's calls that are made that seem to be putting their finger on the scale.

00:38:28.780 And yet in this case, that's exactly what it seems like with censorship.

00:38:33.460 And I think that's what turns a lot of people off to these more establishment type candidates that seem to benefit from it, if in many cases not actually go along and start celebrating it themselves.

00:38:44.240 Sure. And I mean, even people on the left are sick and tired of what the DNC is doing, you know, that they're they're keeping Bobby Kennedy out of polling.

00:38:55.340 You know, they're they're they're trying to keep him out of the mainstream as much as they can.

00:38:59.880 They don't want to have, you know, free and open debates.

00:39:03.960 And the American public wants that.

00:39:06.580 They demand that.

00:39:07.460 So I think that what's going to happen is that there is going to be a revolution and that people are not willing to accept this anymore, that they're not willing to accept that Joe Biden doesn't even have to run, that he doesn't have to do what Bobby Kennedy is doing.

00:39:22.180 I mean, Bobby Kennedy is becoming a folk hero because he's traveling all around the country, showing up in all locations, showing up at the border and breaking news, showing that people are walking across the border, you know, freely from countries all around the world, that there are people flying into Mexico City, taking a bus to the border and just walking across the border.

00:39:45.480 I mean, that is just not acceptable. And we need to have a country that is safe, that is protected, where the children are protected, where our health is protected by the government and not have a government that's kind of preying on us, that's limiting our rights.

00:40:03.020 And that is, you know, gutting the middle class, that is hurting the environment, that is getting us in wars all around the world that don't benefit us.

00:40:11.440 And the American public, I mean, 53% of the people in this country now don't have $1,000 in the bank.

00:40:18.680 I mean, Bobby Kennedy pointed that out last week. And, you know, that's a shocking number.

00:40:24.640 Tony, we are coming up on a break. I'd love to hold you over after the segment because these issues, these economic issues, these kitchen table issues, the pocketbook issues,

00:40:34.020 these are the very same issues that I think a mainstream debate completely ignores because they don't want to talk about this.

00:40:42.780 They don't want to talk about how Americans are getting poorer while the elites are getting richer.

00:40:47.220 Staying to me, we'll be back here with Tony Lyons, Sky Horse Publishing and American Values.

00:40:51.060 When I grew up in the hood, I rolled with bloods and them boys had a saying. 1.00

00:40:57.600 You can't be listening to all that slappy whack, trim out his alitzabam ship, nippy bam bam, like Human Events with Jack Posobiec.

00:41:06.720 Okay, Jack Posobiec, we're back. Human Events.

00:41:09.120 We're on with Tony Lyons, the publisher of Sky Horse Publishing and also the co-founder and co-chair of American Values 2024.

00:41:16.080 Now, Tony, I got to ask you because we're getting comments and we're getting questions in every time I bring up RFK Jr.

00:41:23.340 The number one question I get from the audience is, do you think that there could be a Trump-Kennedy ticket, Kennedy, some kind of deal, some kind of sharing agreement?

00:41:36.920 What do you think about those rumors? Could something like that actually be hammered out behind the scenes?

00:41:42.460 So I have no idea whether either of them would actually want to do that, but it is a fascinating question because they clearly are both populist.

00:41:51.460 They're both, you know, a real danger to the mainstream, to the mainstream media, to the government, to the big corporations, to the handful of billionaires who are running this country at the expense of the middle class.

00:42:05.720 So I think that they do have things in common.

00:42:08.280 You know, Trump talks about building a wall.

00:42:11.280 You know, Bobby talks all about making the southern border impervious.

00:42:15.740 So, you know, Trump doesn't like foreign wars.

00:42:18.940 Bobby says we should not be getting into these foreign wars.

00:42:22.420 We should bring the troops home. 0.61

00:42:23.860 We should spend that $200 billion rebuilding the middle class, building roads in this country, rebuilding this country to the city on a hill that it could be.

00:42:33.700 So I think that there's a lot in common there.

00:42:36.240 And so, you know, whether they could actually partner together as a sort of like a like a party that that would just be to kind of heal this country, to heal the divide.

00:42:48.360 You know, I don't think that's going to happen, but I can see the draw of it.

00:42:51.620 No, I agree with you.

00:42:54.560 It seems as though I'll put it this way.

00:42:57.300 For every person I hear who suggests it, I hear two or three more that might say not so much that they're against it, but that they just don't see it happening.

00:43:06.720 That being said, though, I have been hearing some talk from names that I can't say on air because I'm not privy to or I'm not I'm not at liberty to say, I guess I would say, but names that everyone would recognize if I said them that have been saying they are banging the drum for a potential ticket here because of that.

00:43:28.120 Now, let me ask you this, since we're in the speculation camp here, and I think you're right, by the way, from a populist perspective, there are so many of these economic issues.

00:43:38.460 And I do view these, by the way, foreign policy, war, trade, immigration.

00:43:42.440 When it really comes down to it, these are all economic and national security posture issues.

00:43:47.840 If not Trump, OK, if that's not the ticket, who do you think would be a good VP candidate to balance the ticket out for Bobby Kennedy?

00:43:59.820 Yeah, that's a tough question.

00:44:01.160 That's something that I need to think about.

00:44:03.060 I mean, I'm I'm so focused on trying to help Bobby Kennedy.

00:44:08.260 I just think he's such a good candidate.

00:44:10.280 He's such an honest candidate who has no conflicts of interest, who's just going to go out there and on his first day, he's going to clean up the federal agencies of this country and make sure that they start working for the common people of this country, for the middle class.

00:44:26.120 You know, so so I think that when you look at what's happening and you see the way people are reacting to him when he posts a picture of himself, you know, doing pushups or a short clip of himself lifting weights, you see he gets 15 million views that the American public are really desperate for a candidate who they can believe in, somebody who's who's physically fit, somebody who's honest, who's trustworthy and who's going to fight for them.

00:44:54.320 And they also see and you can't miss it, that places like The New York Times, The Daily Beast, for example, ran five articles in a two day period, you know, taking down Bobby Kennedy, trying to shut him down in any way they could.

00:45:09.360 And what you're seeing is that the DNC is terrified of him because he is a candidate who people will believe they'll believe in him if they can get an honest view of who he is.

00:45:20.200 So if there were debate, nobody who hears Bobby Kennedy debate with Joe Biden is going to want to vote for Biden.

00:45:28.300 I mean, that's that's just a fact. I mean, Biden cannot handle it. He cannot stand up to Kennedy.

00:45:34.700 And so I think that that this is a turning point. This is an inflection point in history where the mainstream media is going to do everything to shut Bobby Kennedy down.

00:45:45.500 And it's going to be the podcast, the radio shows, you know, candidates speaking directly to the public that's going to win this election for Bobby Kennedy.

00:45:55.120 No, I agree with you. I think that the the rise of independent media is directly in proportion to the rise of RFK in terms of this, because if it wasn't for independent, obviously, publishers like Skyhorse, if it wasn't for independent podcasts, like what we do here at Real America's Voice.

00:46:13.220 I saw him on All In. I saw him on Rogan. These have been incredible interviews with him where he goes through a wide range of topics, interviews, by the way, that Joe Biden would never do.

00:46:25.840 You would never see Joe Biden or really any of these, you know, establishment type politicians hacks.

00:46:32.380 I call them I call them. They're just hacks. But I got I got to ask, by the way, on that VP question, you know, there's another there's another political I'm not going to say candidate,

00:46:41.420 but political former candidate that I notice always posts a lot of of some of those fitness videos, also talks a lot of populism.

00:46:50.560 That's Tulsi Gabbard, the former congresswoman out of Hawaii. I think I feel like Tulsi and Bobby Kennedy might be a little simpatico there.

00:46:58.180 I don't know what you think about that. That I think is a real chance, you know, hard to tell.

00:47:03.840 And I and I haven't actually heard anything, but I could see that. And I and I would think that that she would be really helpful to him.

00:47:09.580 Now, I could see that as well. Tony Lyons, tell people, where can they go to find more information about what you guys are doing and what are your direct coordinates?

00:47:18.920 Yeah. So the best place to go is American Values 2024 dot org.

00:47:24.080 Or you can find me on Instagram at Tony Lyons is uncertain.

00:47:28.580 Amen. God bless you, Tony. God bless you for the fight. Folks, I've said it before. We are in a fight for the future, a war for the future, whether or not one candidate or another wins this race.

00:47:43.600 We are up against a regime. We're up against an establishment. We are looking at the fights around the world from the Balkans to Ukraine, Russia, to China, to Taiwan.

00:47:53.560 We're seeing the fights of the erosion of our freedoms as the China model is now being imported through organizations like the WEF, the WHO, the Great Reset. 0.99

00:48:04.240 What is that? It's putting Chinese style, CCP style authoritarianism here on our own shores in the West. 0.94

00:48:13.320 Is that the future we want for our children? Is that the future we want for our families?

00:48:17.980 If not, then the time to fight, the time to do something about it is right now.

00:48:23.060 And that is why we are speaking out.

00:48:25.600 And if the guys at Neocon Review, which I'm told, by the way, by our sources, there are melting down behind the scenes, if they don't like it, they are going to just have to deal with it.

00:48:37.700 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore here.

00:48:42.760 Human events. Subscribe Rumble podcast every day.

00:48:45.460 See you tomorrow.

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