Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 508： WHO REALLY SHOT JFK？ WITH ROGER STONE

00:00:00.000 we are in a fifth generational conflict

00:00:08.580 for every lie they tell we're gonna get in their face and yell two truths this is human events

00:00:20.580 with your host jack posobik christ is king we have on someone who's very special joining us

00:00:28.240 today this sunday it's roger stone longtime iconic legendary political operative but also also an

00:00:36.640 acclaimed author and there is a piece that came out recently in the news about jfk classified files

00:00:45.620 and the fact that president biden has extended the classification of files regarding the jfk

00:00:52.500 assassination but what many people may not realize is that roger stone wrote an entire book all about

00:01:00.560 the investigation and what really happened and we've got him here for the sunday special roger

00:01:06.200 thank you so much for joining us jack thanks very much for having me so let's get into the the the

00:01:11.640 top of it here what's the latest what are these files that biden has classified and why are they

00:01:17.520 continuing to hold this back uh in 1978 uh the uh the congress under uh intense fire uh formed

00:01:28.320 something called the house intelligence select committee on assassinations and the purpose of

00:01:33.920 it was to re-examine the assassinations of not only uh president john f kennedy but also

00:01:40.580 dr martin luther king uh and in that re-examination and hearings since most of the people staffing that

00:01:49.520 committee uh had come from the investigation of organized crime on the one hand they debunked the

00:01:56.940 warren commission theory that oswald was alone not gunman communist acting alone uh they declared that the

00:02:08.060 that organized crime was involved in the murder of kennedy but then they went no further another is they

00:02:13.980 they left us hanging on the rest at that time they passed a law that said uh in 2017 20 some 25 years

00:02:24.980 later all of the uh documents pertaining to the murder of jfk would become declassified unless the

00:02:34.300 president of the united states filed an objection in which case the president had the authority to kick

00:02:40.960 the can down the road and set up a future date to re-examine and release the material so in 2017

00:02:50.020 uh relatively early in his first term uh that date rolled around and donald trump was in the white house

00:02:58.200 i contacted him i asked him what what what what are you what are you going to do about the jfk documents

00:03:05.060 and he said what are you talking about i said well under the the assassinations uh records law all this

00:03:13.460 material is going to become made public unless you decide otherwise and he said why hasn't anyone brought

00:03:20.900 this to my attention i said well that's really a question for your staff sir uh but we're only a couple

00:03:28.100 weeks away from the release date he said i don't think this is right i said it's definitely right

00:03:34.060 i would ask you to look into it uh and see what what you think and he came back to me about a week

00:03:40.340 later and he said well you're absolutely right this material is scheduled for declassification

00:03:45.420 um you know they they don't want me to release it now by they i take that to mean the intelligence

00:03:53.540 agencies and i say well what could possibly be their argument they said and he said uh it will expose

00:04:01.240 our sources and methods well first of all our sources are all dead there's nobody who is directly

00:04:09.220 involved uh at any level uh in the assassination assassination of john kennedy who's living and

00:04:15.960 secondarily uh if the united states government was as i believe actively involved in the murder

00:04:23.520 of a president well that's a method we as citizens need to know about so what then subsequently

00:04:30.340 happened was um trump did release roughly 80 percent of the documents and we found out some

00:04:39.000 shocking things for example uh lee harvey oswald uh had gotten a you know a 1099 from the fbi that's

00:04:47.840 because he had been on their payroll he was an informant lee harvey oswald had attended the foreign

00:04:54.740 languages school that is run by the central intelligence agency in north carolina that's how

00:05:01.520 he learned to speak russian we learned about president lyndon johnson's early membership in texas in the

00:05:09.560 ku klux klan that was among uh the documents that were included uh so there's a lot of stuff there that

00:05:16.720 historians poured through there was a lot of interesting data but even he trump held back

00:05:23.720 20 percent of the documents uh when i had the occasion to ask him about that i said um why didn't you

00:05:31.020 let it all out and he said i can't tell you it's so horrible you wouldn't believe it someday you'll find

00:05:40.660 out and that that was the sum total of it he didn't want to talk about it any further fast forward now

00:05:48.160 so he kicked the can down the road uh to president joe biden the new date set by donald trump uh to

00:05:56.200 re-review when these documents should be released several weeks ago and no surprise once again joe biden

00:06:05.740 has decided to conceal this information from the american people so we have this missing 20 percent

00:06:15.040 that's still outstanding it's still staying out from us still staying away you mentioned before

00:06:20.840 that you believe the u.s may have been involved the u.s government and the title of the book i mean

00:06:26.960 you put it right out there the man who killed kennedy the case against lbj and roger i don't know if

00:06:34.080 i've ever told you this but i actually sat and read this book when i was still in the navy while

00:06:40.920 while amid ships in my in my bunk you know on my bunk bed on a navy ship just sitting there paging

00:06:48.740 actually i had an e-copy of it so i had it on my kindle because you couldn't get too much stuff in

00:06:51.640 your sea bag and i read this thing cover to cover as it were while sitting on a navy ship and and

00:06:57.920 realizing that there's so much that even all of it would it wasn't enough for oliver stone to fit it

00:07:04.280 all in the movie so i guess we needed roger stone to come out and give us the rest well kindly enough

00:07:09.540 after oliver stone read my book he actually sent me a note in which he said uh had he known a lot of

00:07:16.000 the things that i brought to the fore in my book he would have included them in his movie that he didn't

00:07:21.600 really understand the central role that lyndon johnson played in the murder of john f kennedy

00:07:27.440 so look i i make a compelling argument using eyewitness evidence fingerprint evidence uh deep

00:07:35.180 texas politics uh and a huge amount of what i i admit to you is circumstantial but i think compelling

00:07:42.360 evidence that lyndon baines johnson is the man who had the motive means and opportunity to kill

00:07:50.400 john f kennedy his motive um was the most obvious he was under investigation he johnson uh in the bobby

00:07:58.240 baker scandal bobby baker was the sergeant of the u.s senate was lyndon johnson's chief bag man uh all

00:08:07.360 corruption regarding senate appropriations flew flew uh flowed through baker the senate hearings into how

00:08:16.020 into bobby baker opened on november uh twenty uh second november uh 1963 throughout the day of

00:08:25.920 kennedy's assassination johnson was on the phone uh back to washington to see if his names had come up

00:08:31.780 yet in the hearing but the other scandal the scandal that was a much bigger scandal was the billy sol

00:08:39.220 estis scandal billy solestis was a flamboyant texas dealmaker wheeler dealer uh who would ultimately go

00:08:47.940 to prison for his crimes uh and um johnson had gotten enormous federal grain storage contracts from which uh

00:09:00.900 solestis made millions uh and so did his silent partner lyndon baines johnson i went to one of the

00:09:08.580 book signings uh by robert caro who's written a multi uh volume pulitzer prize winning biography

00:09:17.060 uh of uh lyndon johnson and i asked him how is it possible that billy solestis is not even mentioned

00:09:25.140 in every any of those books p.s solestis took the fall did time when he did after he got out of prison

00:09:34.100 um he put forward a series of statements uh which uh which implicate lyndon johnson uh in the murder

00:09:42.260 of john f kennedy needless to say those got very little uh media coverage at the time now remember

00:09:50.260 and and we'll dig into this and peel it back a little bit because it's a very interesting theory

00:09:54.340 of the case and i think it's also something that a lot of people have have circled around even from the

00:10:01.700 moments of when it initially happened of course obviously the ussr the involvement of of rv oswald

00:10:08.660 and some of these cuban groups made him a perfect smokescreen but then at the same time and even

00:10:15.620 myself looking at it um many years after the fact it's once jack ruby takes the shot at oswald suddenly

00:10:24.340 it begins asking the question it's everyone asking the question what's really going on here and was this

00:10:30.900 really the only person who was involved in a a lucky shot on the president of the united states and

00:10:38.340 i think it's something where you know when people talk about uh murder mysteries and conspiracies

00:10:44.820 it really is the one that everyone comes back to that the minute you begin opening up this door that

00:10:54.420 suddenly so much information spills out it's it's in the midst of the raucous 60s a time of great

00:11:00.420 change a time a time of great upheaval great tensions obviously the cuban missile crisis going

00:11:05.620 on at the time the cold war is in full swing and so it is a time when we also know that the intelligence

00:11:12.420 agencies were at the peak of their powers and the peak of their influence at least from a physical

00:11:18.100 perspective within the united states and certainly within the u.s government and so we'll we're coming

00:11:23.620 up on our first break here but but roger what was it that drove you to write this book in in just a

00:11:30.580 minute uh i had a conversation when i was working for former president richard nixon this conversation

00:11:37.380 which he had a couple cocktails uh and i asked him point blank who killed john f kennedy uh kind of

00:11:43.780 shuddered and said let me put it to this way lyndon and i both wanted to be president the difference was

00:11:49.940 i wasn't willing to kill for it wow there it is wow and talk about someone who did by the way

00:11:56.420 actually have their election stolen not the uh the later election but the first election that of

00:12:02.660 1960 which has been which has all come out and i think people widely acknowledge but at the same

00:12:07.380 time we're not allowed to talk about things that may have happened recently only things that happened

00:12:11.700 far far in the past stay tuned we're going to be right back with our continuing coverage this special

00:12:16.740 of who shot jfk with mr roger stone roger let's wind back the clock november 22nd 1963

00:12:28.660 dealey plaza dallas texas we've seen the film we've seen the review the zabruder film

00:12:37.060 jackie onassis um her her actions her face after what happened prior to that motorcade

00:12:46.740 driving through the plaza not just what happened in the video but what really happened well first

00:12:51.780 of all it's important to understand the whole purpose of kennedy's trip to texas which is insisted

00:12:58.100 on by vice president lyndon johnson is to bind up a division in the texas democratic party uh between

00:13:06.180 the old conservative bourbon wing of the party represented by lyndon johnson uh and the more liberal

00:13:13.940 progressive a wing of the party with a growing hispanic constituency headed by ralph yarborough so

00:13:21.540 the idea is that the that uh kennedy would go to dallas be seen with the leaders of both wings of the

00:13:29.780 party to bind the party uh it is uh lyndon johnson's then chief of staff john connolly uh then governor of

00:13:40.580 texas after he was the chief of staff senator johnson later secretary of the treasury under

00:13:46.500 president richard nixon um who insists uh on the route through dealey plaza kennedy had stayed the night

00:13:55.860 the previous night in fort worth in a hotel uh he's driving from fourth fort worth to the merchandise

00:14:03.460 dice mark uh in dallas uh the route through dealey plaza is neither the most direct route nor is it

00:14:11.380 the safest route because the secret service manual specifically prohibits the presidential limousine

00:14:18.420 from ever coming to a full stop in in dealey plaza not only does the limousine have to come to a full stop

00:14:27.380 and has to make a hard right turn uh under the secret service manual the buildings on both sides of

00:14:35.060 the street are supposed to have been searched uh cleared and sealed that hasn't happened uh they're

00:14:41.620 supposed to be plainclothes secret service agents uh in uh in the crowds on both sides that doesn't

00:14:49.860 happen they're supposed to be six uh a motorcycle escort of six motorcycles three each abreast of the

00:14:58.500 presidential limousine there's only one motorcycle and it is behind the presidential limousine uh in

00:15:06.820 violation of the manual uh and then of course there's supposed to be uh uh two secret service agents

00:15:14.580 on the back bumper of the car you can go to youtube and see one of them being told by his

00:15:19.700 superior to stand out he's shrugging his shoulders so uh all of the secret service protocols all of

00:15:27.780 which had been followed in kennedy's trips to chicago and miami in the days just prior to the trip uh to

00:15:35.780 texas are violated in this particular case i establish in my book uh that an attorney for lyndon johnson had

00:15:46.100 obtained the secret service manual early in the kennedy presidency in fact on inauguration day of 1961

00:15:56.340 a bitter bitter cold day in which washington had been hit by a blizzard at the outdoor ceremony in which

00:16:04.340 kennedy uh is sworn in uh after kennedy is sworn in uh lyndon johnson is sworn in as vice president

00:16:13.620 presidential speech writer ted sorenson turns to sergeant of arms and lyndon johnson lieutenant

00:16:20.660 bobby baker and says well congratulations bobby uh bobby baker says john f kennedy will live a will

00:16:28.180 die a premature and violent death and he storms away there there you have it folks

00:16:35.220 so there's there's all of this tension and at the same time when when you look at the jfk assassination

00:16:46.660 there's so many uh competing theories out there in the various research communities the various um you

00:16:55.460 know oliver stone has his opinion jake tapper will always come in and make sure to defend the official

00:17:00.100 version of events every time anyone talks about this it's almost like it's like he's being told

00:17:05.220 that he has to say something about this very interesting um but jake is someone i keep an eye

00:17:09.860 on as as the leaker of the dossier and the the validator of the dossier as we all remember from

00:17:14.820 2016 2017 so you know roger what would you say then to folks that come to you and say well stone you've

00:17:22.420 you've got it completely wrong it was it wasn't lbj it was it was the mob or it was the banks or it was

00:17:28.580 the soviets or it was the langley um you're you're barking up the wrong tree lbj would never do that

00:17:34.580 he may have been a little kooky later on in years but he wouldn't do something like this

00:17:39.620 look i built my my book on the shoulders of many many others in other words i don't think any of

00:17:44.820 those people are wrong uh the uh the military the military industrial complex the intelligence agencies

00:17:52.100 uh and uh and the pentagon their motive is uh quite simple it's uh the bay of pigs uh which is a failed

00:18:00.340 military invasion of of cuba for which they blame linden john pardon me they blame john f kennedy

00:18:08.740 uh what hasn't been written is uh that plan included the use of 29 uh uh panamanium flagged bombers

00:18:18.500 that were supposed to be piloted by cuban pilots that were supposed to take off from panama to

00:18:24.820 provide air cover for the men storming the beach for reasons that are unknown uh charles cable the

00:18:31.380 number two man at the cia whose brother earl cable just happens to be the mayor of dallas in a

00:18:37.140 lyndon johnson intimate uh canceled the air cover the last minute the generals and the joint chiefs are

00:18:44.100 telling jfk well you've got to send in the air force that's the only way to save this operation

00:18:49.940 kennedy had only green lighted the the bay of pigs on the condition that we had plausible deniability

00:18:57.060 that this was an indigenous cuban uprising not a u.s invasion uh they also blamed kennedy in the

00:19:06.180 cuban missile crisis the narrative you've been told that brave jack and bobby kennedy faced down

00:19:13.060 the key to khrushchev and he removed the missiles from cuba thus averting world war three ignores what

00:19:20.500 we learned 40 years later but which was at that time classified we removed our missiles from turkey

00:19:27.140 and italy in a bargain changing the the uh the balance of power in europe in return for a pledge from

00:19:35.220 khrushchev to remove the missiles from cuba so uh there's there's great trepidation uh uh that uh

00:19:42.580 kennedy is soft uh in the intelligence agencies as far as organized crime is concerned uh lyndon

00:19:48.820 baines johnson was on the pad for organized crime he was being paid by carlos marcello who ran the

00:19:55.300 mob in both louisiana and texas to protect the uh gambling dens uh that were run in houston dallas and

00:20:04.100 san antonio a man named jack alfer uh was the bag man delivering johnson's payments

00:20:10.180 halfer received a presidential pardon by the way on november 23rd 1963 how convenient uh those who

00:20:20.020 say uh the bankers were upset yes john and robert kennedy were insisting on a silver or gold back dollar

00:20:27.700 the rothschilds were not happy about this um they wanted to move towards paper money which has been the

00:20:34.100 ruination of our of our system big texas oil their chief uh uh their chief water carrier uh in washington

00:20:43.700 dc is of course the senator from texas led to the vice president lyndon baines johnson but as far as the

00:20:49.940 fbi and the cia are concerned the cia's black box budget uh is controlled uh by the defense appropriate

00:21:00.260 a secret secret defense appropriation subcommittee uh as chairman of pardon me he's majority leader

00:21:08.100 of the senate johnson takes the rare step of serving on that committee himself while in the senate

00:21:14.340 traditionally the majority leader would serve on no committee although he has the authority to do so

00:21:19.380 and when he left that position he left senator harry f bird of florida one of his closest allies in charge

00:21:26.180 johnson is the paymaster for the cia and of course he lives next door in uh morningside heights uh in

00:21:34.100 the washington dc area uh the johnson daughters refer to j edgar hoover who would have been uh

00:21:40.660 mandatorily retired in 1974 or 1964 had kennedy been re-elected as their uncle edgar so um lyndon

00:21:50.740 johnson johnson is the common thread between uh the military industrial complex uh the bankers through

00:21:57.460 elliott janeway uh the uh the organized crime crime through mars carlos marcelo he is the common thread

00:22:06.180 but he's also the man with the greatest interest john f kennedy has already begun telling people that

00:22:12.020 johnson will be dropped from the 1964 ticket if you read the biography of evelyn lincoln uh kennedy's

00:22:20.420 uh personal secretary and also published within it the notes she made on air force one on her way

00:22:27.620 back to washington after kennedy has been slain in which she makes a list of those who may have been

00:22:33.540 responsible first on her list um is uh lyndon johnson the night before the assassination uh according to

00:22:43.220 what uh jacklyn kennedy has written lyndon johnson goes to jack kennedy's hotel suite in fort worth

00:22:50.180 and proposes a change in the lineup of the motorcade proposing that uh instead of john connelly

00:22:58.980 riding in the presidential limousine uh with jack kennedy that that uh senator ralph yarborough

00:23:06.180 arch enemy of lyndon johnson should ride with the president uh kennedy says absolutely not we're leaving

00:23:13.540 things the way they are that was the whole purpose for me to be seen with connelly as the leader of the

00:23:18.740 more conservative wing of the party i'm not making any changes johnson storms out of the room jacqueline

00:23:25.780 kennedy writes uh she said to her husband what's wrong with him uh and john kennedy says oh he's just

00:23:32.340 being linden hmm he's just being linden and so when when you see we're coming up on our next break but

00:23:40.980 when you see through this lens that there are various interests that certainly were served by jfk's

00:23:49.700 removal from office um and lbj then becomes the sort of linchpin for all of this his ties of course to dallas

00:23:59.540 his diet ties to the leaders in dallas the politicians there the power structure it creates

00:24:06.020 a situation where these are all people that know him from the law enforcement all the way down

00:24:11.620 to the beat cops that are on the street to even potentially some of the secret service agents that

00:24:17.300 uh that are assigned from the local office when we come back roger i want to talk to more about

00:24:22.020 how could this have been avoided and what would have happened had jfk stayed in office come right

00:24:28.020 back roger stone who shot jfk

00:24:32.340 now roger this is one of the cases of course some of the most famous gunshots that have ever been taken

00:24:38.420 on u.s soil um the the uh there's a lot that line in full metal jacket old italian bolt action rifle

00:24:46.580 scores three hits including a headshot um this is this is the great uh late great r army lee uh the

00:24:53.780 drill sergeant describing how a u.s marine took the shots that that took out kennedy and so this physical

00:25:00.180 evidence uh it also is explained through the abilities of a junior prosecutor uh later a united

00:25:10.100 states senator from pennsylvania who i know you know uh the late great arlen specter who comes up with

00:25:17.060 this the silver bullet theory which he's later referred to as silver bullet specter so the physical

00:25:22.740 evidence as well as the zabruder tape which by the way none of these and and people need to understand

00:25:28.980 that in the 1960s the idea that somebody would be on the side of a road with a camera like a video

00:25:36.500 camera video lens like this um home camcorders were very new to the market this is not 2022 where

00:25:44.900 everybody's got a cell phone and so people knew there would be photographs of the situation but the

00:25:50.660 fact that an actual videotape of this exists is extremely rare for the situation so anyone involved

00:25:58.180 from from harvey on down to to any of these various entities would likely not have anticipated that a

00:26:05.140 video would be shot so so roger let's get into the gunshots the physical evidence and where we left

00:26:12.660 you were talking about the placement of the men in the motorcade and in the car itself now you got a

00:26:18.340 number of problems here first of all no government marksman has ever been able to replicate the alleged

00:26:24.020 shot because a motorcycle police officer had left his microphone on we know the exact timing between

00:26:33.460 the shots uh and no no marksman uh invested jesse ventura tried as well but no government marksman has

00:26:41.460 ever been able to get off three shots within the time sequence required also if you look at the footage

00:26:48.660 in the zap order film there's a period in which kennedy's uh motorcade drives behind the street sign so he

00:26:54.420 cannot physically be seen which does not lend itself to a clear shot additionally uh if john f kennedy

00:27:02.980 was killed with a cheap 29 italian carbine how come there are no nitrate burns on his hands

00:27:10.500 or his chest according to the police report uh when oswald uh is uh apprehended um they parade him in

00:27:21.060 public what does he say i didn't shoot anyone he says i'm a patsy uh indeed um he did not shoot uh anyone

00:27:30.180 you also have to wonder why a man suspected of killing the president united states is being paraded

00:27:36.100 through public in a public area where of course he is murdered by jack ruby the warring commission

00:27:42.820 tells us that jack ruby had no known association with organized crime which is funny because he

00:27:50.100 ran a casino for mark carlos marcello in havana uh and his club the carousel club in dallas is actually

00:27:58.900 owned by marcello uh and ruby is merely fronting for him jack ruby is known as a

00:28:05.860 long-time button man for the mob you also have the problem of course with the murder of officer

00:28:13.780 tippett um it is alleged that in his fleeing from uh uh dealie plaza oswald goes first to his home

00:28:24.020 for a change of clothes at least a change of jacket the landlady by the way uh testifies to the warring 1.00

00:28:30.660 commission that a dallas police car pulls up in front of the boarding house honks the horn three

00:28:36.180 times and drives away what's that about why why did that not make the warring commission a report uh

00:28:43.620 the her deposition is quite findable then of course at the scene where oswald allegedly shot tippett

00:28:51.860 uh the shell casings on the ground uh came from uh an automatic the problem with that is when lee harvey

00:28:59.460 oswald is apprehended at a theater nearby um he's brandishing a revolver this entire story is full of

00:29:09.620 holes uh at this point the thing that's the most bullet riddled is the warring commission report uh even

00:29:16.980 in the case uh of lyndon johnson pardon me in the case of arlen specter's magic bullet theory there's

00:29:23.940 a couple different problems first of all jaker hoover and the fbi wrap up their investigation

00:29:29.700 of the murder of john f kennedy in less than a week uh look one gunman shooting uh from behind three shots

00:29:39.380 that's it okay kid they say to 29 year old uh arlen specter who's been brought in as the chief

00:29:47.300 investigator the deputy uh of the warring commission go wrap it up kid the problem with that is uh that

00:29:54.420 jim tague um who was a young car dealer uh had walked down to dealey plaza to watch uh the presidential

00:30:02.820 motorcade while he's standing there a bullet hits the curb next to where he's standing a fleck of cement

00:30:09.300 comes up and grazes his shoulder and he is bleeding this is seen by a dallas county sheriff's officer

00:30:17.780 who says we've got to go report this takes him to the dallas police he fills out a report um he expects

00:30:24.340 to hear from the authorities but then nothing happens he keeps seeing on television and reading

00:30:30.100 the newspaper there are only three shots all three shots are accounted for they all came uh from behind

00:30:37.140 even though uh in the zap rudder film kennedy's head can be seen uh back he it goes back and to the

00:30:45.460 right now i believe there are multiple gunmen i believe kennedy is shot from the front and the back

00:30:52.900 there is a an entrance wound on his throat um that is they immediately do a tracheotomy so that you can't

00:30:59.940 tell whether that's an entry wound or an extra wound uh but it is indisputable in the new york times report

00:31:06.420 this that at the request of j edgar hoover warren commission member gerald ford then a congressman

00:31:14.580 from michigan and the minority leader of the republicans in the house physically takes a pencil

00:31:20.980 and on the diagram in the autopsy moves the depiction of the wound from kennedy's upper back to his neck

00:31:29.700 uh to accommodate the the magic bullet theory when asked by the new york times why he did this he said

00:31:38.420 well the country needed finality not the country needed truth but the country needed a finality

00:31:46.740 uh so um i believe that there are certainly more than three but bullets uh and there's a physical

00:31:52.660 evidence uh which they've tried forever to explain away uh that kennedy was shot you know uh in a turkey

00:32:00.740 shoot from both the front and the back and this this is i was just going to say that's the line in in

00:32:05.940 this the oliver stone movie they said he drove it's uh jim garrison he drove into a turkey shoot that it was

00:32:12.660 not some lone gunman and i i do think that the just the general common sense uh take by so many people

00:32:22.180 having heard this as the official explanation that a 29 year old kid with uh who would who had had some

00:32:29.380 military experience but was not um notably proficient with this was was somehow able to pull something

00:32:36.420 like this off it it doesn't seem to make sense it doesn't carry water and the idea that uh that we

00:32:45.300 were just supposed to go along with it in a in addition to as you say there are so many stories

00:32:51.380 that have come out from that day from that moment uh people who were seen and never heard from again

00:32:57.300 the the man with the umbrella uh you know who has an umbrella on a on a clear day these these type of

00:33:03.060 things that multiple witnesses uh are subsequently killed that that is true um legally harvey oswald

00:33:11.620 is not only not the shooter he's not even on the sixth floor of this texas school book depository

00:33:16.900 building there are multiple witnesses who see a man uh in the window of the sixth floor they all

00:33:22.900 describe some of them are prisoners by the way in a in a jail which is across the street kind of a

00:33:28.900 captive audience so to speak um where they have a clear view of the texas school book depository

00:33:33.780 building others are on the ground they all describe a man who's middle set balding uh and wearing

00:33:40.580 spectacles some of them say he's wearing a light colored jacket that is a description of the man whose

00:33:46.100 fingerprints are found on the so-called crow's nest his name is malcolm wallace he's an employee of the

00:33:53.940 u.s agriculture department uh patronage job gotten for him um by uh senator lyndon johnson we have his

00:34:02.180 fingerprints because in 1951 uh in cold blood and in uh with the wide open he murders a man uh in dallas

00:34:10.820 who's involved in a uh in a uh a love triangle with lyndon johnson's sister uh and the man has begun

00:34:18.420 trying to blackmail johnson regarding corruption in the uh and the u.s senate election so malcolm

00:34:26.180 wallace killed that man he was convicted of first-degree murder the only case of first-degree

00:34:32.100 murder in texas history in which the man convicted received probation he is at least one of his shooters

00:34:41.220 joan mellon who's a pretty prominent author has written a book in an attempt to debunk this she's

00:34:47.860 full of crap i'd be happy to meet her anytime any place i'll just like to know where the funding for 0.62

00:34:53.380 her book came from lyndon johnson was very very shrewd about his legacy uh he sent jack valente one of 0.98

00:35:01.460 his top aides to head the motion business association so there would never be a movie uh until oliver

00:35:08.100 stone's movie came along about the kennedy assassination uh the former chairman emeritus of cnn

00:35:16.260 whose name enough strangely enough was also johnson is one of the reasons why cnn is more adamant

00:35:23.060 about pushing the falsehoods of the warring commission than any of the the other networks

00:35:30.420 and in addition we we've had this case the separate commission that came out and found that it was not

00:35:39.300 merely the act of one man this is an official government case and yet that's never referred to

00:35:45.300 that's never discussed you don't see it getting the prominence that it ever i think one of the first

00:35:49.860 times i ever realized realized it existed was from reading your book was reading this book about jfk and

00:35:56.420 then really because for me this had always been one of those cases that i'd heard about and i i didn't

00:36:01.940 necessarily accept the uh the company line on the whole thing but i'd never gone down the rabbit hole

00:36:08.900 because i didn't feel like i had a good entry point until i got a copy of your book and i said you

00:36:14.260 know what it's time for me to do this i'm gonna dig through now roger we're coming up on our last break

00:36:18.660 but when we come back i do want to get into that next question of the america that would have been

00:36:24.980 had these shots not been fired stay tuned we're coming back for our last segment with roger stone on who

00:36:31.300 shot jfk now roger we're coming in it's our last segment we've laid out the foundation for why so

00:36:39.780 many powerful entities stood to gain from the death of jfk you've walked us through the physical evidence

00:36:49.380 in addition to the evidence of the route the security the lack security the security violations of the

00:36:56.260 secret service and you've debunked much of the physical evidence that's presented to us in the

00:37:01.620 official case but i want to ask you a question and this is more drawing on your background as

00:37:07.300 a political analyst and a political operative but walk us through what would have been the america

00:37:15.620 that could have existed and then i know it's you know it's hard to ask those type of questions

00:37:19.620 but let's say jfk lives goes on and we'll give him the reelection

00:37:23.860 do we not get into vietnam do we not go off the gold standard walk us through the america that would

00:37:30.980 have been well we do know that kennedy had reached out through french back channels to fidel castro

00:37:40.580 to talk about peace talks to talk about coexistence the pentagon was very deeply opposed to that

00:37:49.940 we also uh know uh that uh and there's some discrepancy about this it is the thesis uh of

00:37:58.180 oliver stone uh it is also the thesis of those who wish to burn is the image of camelot uh that john

00:38:05.540 kennedy was uh uh was waking up to the fact that uh a deeper and deeper involvement in vietnam

00:38:13.060 was mistaken was preparing to withdraw troops it is notable that in an oral history after jfk's death

00:38:21.860 robert kennedy insists vehemently that that was not the case that john kennedy was committed to the

00:38:29.620 defeat of communism in vietnam so that's an open question um he certainly was adamant about a gold or

00:38:37.620 silver backed dollar it would ultimately be richard nixon who closes the gold window nixon's probably

00:38:44.340 nixon's single greatest mistake i've written about two different books uh but the but the uh the

00:38:51.860 bankers were already agitating to come off the gold standard maybe that would not have happened kennedy

00:38:58.500 had a very deep distrust of the intelligence agencies after the fiasco at the bay of pigs

00:39:06.260 he threatened as he put it to smash the cia into a million pieces uh and um and therefore perhaps

00:39:13.540 you would not have the the rogue cia the rogue fbi that you have today interestingly enough in the

00:39:22.100 immediate heels of kennedy's murder former president harry truman wrote an op-ed piece for the washington

00:39:29.300 post in which he said signing the cia into law was the greatest single mistake that he had made

00:39:36.260 they were supposed to be limited only to foreign intelligence gathering and services but they were

00:39:42.420 operating in this country illegally that op-ed runs for one edition only before it is spiked so they

00:39:51.460 actually were able to spike an op-ed by a former and at that point very respected president of the

00:39:58.500 united states what kennedy might have achieved in the second term well he achieved nothing for civil

00:40:05.220 rights in the first term uh he had uh campaigned very hard for a fair housing law for a voting

00:40:11.780 rights act uh but uh president vice president lyndon johnson a lifelong segregationist i might add um had

00:40:19.700 convinced him that because the old bulls in the senate chaired most of the committees they would eviscerate 0.90

00:40:26.260 kennedy's budget and program and that he had to wait until a second term to keep his promises on civil rights

00:40:33.940 then of course after the murder of john f kennedy it was lyndon johnson the man who wrote the southern

00:40:41.540 manifesto against civil rights although didn't sign it himself because he was looking at running for

00:40:46.980 president in 1960 who completely reverses himself and becomes essentially the father of american civil

00:40:53.940 rights law saving that opportunity for himself that in turn bought johnson an enormous amount of cover

00:41:02.500 to deepen our engagement in vietnam which even then democrats on the left were beginning to question

00:41:10.180 so um it is uh i have new respect for kennedy as a nixon republican i'd always resented um uh something i

00:41:19.060 document to my other books the theft of the 1960 election uh but i now recognize uh that kennedy was a much

00:41:27.380 greater man than i had thought that his plans for the country um were much more anti-establishment and

00:41:35.060 much more reform oriented i think he was a peacemaker even though he had run to nixon's right uh in 1960 as

00:41:44.180 as a cold warrior uh insisting that we uh uh that uh we take a harder line on castro uh we fought about

00:41:52.260 the chinese islands of quimoy and mat su that were then uh being disputed in terms of their ownership

00:41:58.740 between the nationalist chinese and the communist chinese so quite still being disputed uh but but

00:42:05.220 ironically uh in retrospect uh my the whole exercise brought me much much greater respect

00:42:12.340 for john f kennedy i think he was a great man i think he was murdered by all of these entities each

00:42:18.980 one of them had their own specific interest johnson's interest was staying out of prison obviously uh but i

00:42:25.940 think um his his second term as candidate as president i think he would have achieved many

00:42:31.140 great things we know roger when i actually um had an occasion back in 2016 to be a member of a panel

00:42:37.620 on the joy reed show on msnbc and uh when when asked about civil rights i brought up the history of

00:42:47.220 lyndon bades johnson and his personal history of being against civil rights for the entire time that

00:42:53.220 he was in the congress and the senate and uh she promptly tried to have me thrown off of her show 0.70

00:42:58.420 she didn't like that i brought that up there's a terrific book on this entitled bystander by nick

00:43:04.420 bryan which documents uh lyndon johnson first of all john f kennedy's great promises uh in the 1960

00:43:13.220 campaign virtue all of which were thwarted by vice president lyndon johnson until the time that johnson

00:43:19.460 became president and then reserved those positions for himself as you know he is famously quoted as

00:43:26.180 saying i'll have those and we're voting democratic for a hundred years and so he has roger the other

00:43:36.420 case that i think i think there's another book to be written and roger i i don't know if you're the man

00:43:43.060 to do it but i think you are and that's a book about watergate because this story i think in the

00:43:52.820 aftermath of the intelligence agencies actions during the trump administration it has gotten so

00:44:02.660 many millions of people going back and re-examining some of these past cases like the jfk assassination

00:44:09.940 and then also watergate from a sense of this individual mark felt deep throat was he a leaker

00:44:20.340 or was he a plotter and were woodward and bernstein were they themselves uh intrepid journalists or were

00:44:30.260 they patsies for the national security state and i think that's a frame that none of the watergate

00:44:37.620 researchers have really explained yet but i think it's a story that people are willing now to actually

00:44:45.300 have the discussion of and john dean and madeline dean and whose names are on that client list in

00:44:51.380 her desk and there's a whole story about that but interestingly enough this also comes up in your book

00:44:59.300 watergate in the sense that watergate is almost a an operation that that builds out of dealey plaza and

00:45:08.180 what happened there walk us through that sure first of all four of the uh watergate burglars are on the

00:45:14.980 ground uh in dilly plaza how could that be uh e howard hunt one of the watergate burglars uh says on his

00:45:22.900 a deathbed that he was there working for the agency but he was a backbencher he also says by the way

00:45:29.220 lyndon johnson was the man calling the shots um you the people who removed kennedy are the same people

00:45:36.900 who moved uh nixon and for the same reasons uh the pentagon and the central intelligence agency were

00:45:43.700 opposed to the strategic arms limitation agreements that nixon reached with the russians they were opposed

00:45:50.500 to normalizing our relationships uh with uh with the chinese they were opposed to ending the war in

00:45:58.660 vietnam they were opposed to ending the military draft richard nixon's great sin he was a peacemaker

00:46:07.140 they expect him to be even more of a cold warrior than johnson had been i don't know how you could

00:46:12.420 have stepped up the bombing in vietnam any more than lyndon johnson did but uh henry kissinger and uh

00:46:19.780 and richard nixon understood that they needed to withdraw from vietnam they needed to cover their

00:46:25.940 retreat while doing so so um there's been a number of of documents declassified just in recent months

00:46:34.740 terrific piece on this by james rosen uh now at newsmax i think formerly with fox news uh at real clear

00:46:42.180 politics it is absolutely clear uh that at least three of the watergate burglars are still

00:46:48.340 actively on the payroll uh of the central intelligence agency and they're reporting uh to their handlers

00:46:56.500 prior and during the break-in so uh it is in the book silent coup by len collodny who passed recently

00:47:04.500 it is a second coup nixon it's not that nixon's men did not give the central intelligence agency

00:47:10.660 the opening they did but who is it who starts demanding the wiretapping of uh journalists and

00:47:18.260 white house staff members to find leakers why that would be henry kissinger man who has walked away from

00:47:24.580 that train wreck completely and totally unscathed the people who killed kennedy john kennedy are the same

00:47:32.100 people who killed his brother robert kennedy and who are the same people in essence uh who removed richard

00:47:39.300 nixon uh in many ways it is uh their uh is their successors who sought to remove a donald trump for

00:47:47.860 president from the presidency and i think that's what brings it all together roger i'm i know you've done

00:47:53.300 one book on nixon but i'm just saying i i think there might be another book specifically on maybe a

00:48:00.500 follow-up to silent coup in a sense in a spiritual sense and i think roger stone is the man to do it

00:48:06.500 a man who always has richard nixon very close to him roger thank you very much for for taking time

00:48:12.980 with us here on human events daily folks you can do a google image search of roger stone shirtless to

00:48:18.020 understand what that means roger where can people follow you uh they can follow me at stonezone.com

00:48:23.540 you get a copy of my book uh the man who killed kennedy the case against lbj by going to

00:48:28.980 stonezone.com in the shop you get a signed copy of it it is a new york times bestseller

00:48:35.380 quite proud of it make a great christmas gift um jack is alluding to the fact that i have a

00:48:41.300 a tattoo of richard nixon on my back it's not there for any political reason it's there

00:48:47.300 as a daily reminder that in life when you're knocked down when you suffer defeats when you have

00:48:53.460 setbacks when you are uh dejected or depressed that's the time you have to get back up on your

00:48:59.300 feet and get back in the game story of nixon putting politics aside is a story of resilience

00:49:05.700 it's a story of persistence it's an american story roger stone god bless you ladies and

00:49:11.620 gentlemen as always you have my permission to lay ashore

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - July 03, 2023

EPISODE 508： WHO REALLY SHOT JFK？ WITH ROGER STONE

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