On this episode of Human Events with Jack Posobiec, we discuss the latest in the Trump administration, including the latest on the Iran deal, the Tesla lawsuit, and much more. We also discuss Tucker Carlson's first live interview since being fired from Fox News.
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00:02:02.300Jack Smith and his team have signaled a continued and seemingly renewed interest in what was one of the most chaotic meetings to ever happen inside the Oval Office.
00:02:11.860So, why it is that they're now looking at it, it's possibly just more for superseding indictments.
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00:02:43.400I mean, there's something so weird about Ron DeSantis that this video speaks for Ron DeSantis.
00:05:09.540And particularly in longer comments, he really makes it out to be the fact that Donald Trump, at least on the Ukraine question, has been willing to speak great truth in the face of the Washington, D.C. elite, the Washington, D.C. power machine, that he's been willing to go up against them and actually say what needs to be said about this.
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00:08:17.900So the standard for dismissal of a case for prosecutorial misconduct is the misconduct has to be flagrant.
00:08:24.980What we have in this case is Walt Nauta, who is President Trump's co-defendant.
00:08:30.680He's a personal aide to President Trump.
00:08:33.520Walt Nauta's lawyer is a guy named Stanley Woodward.
00:08:36.900And Stanley Woodward said in a letter that he filed with the D.C. District Court that a senior DOJ official threatened his application for a judgeship,
00:08:48.780a D.C. Superior Court judgeship, if he couldn't get Walt Nauta to flip and testify against President Trump.
00:08:56.240Now, if that's true, what that means is that a senior DOJ official exercised undue pressure, attempted to strip Nauta of his Sixth Amendment right to counsel.
00:09:07.020And that would clearly be flagrant misconduct under the law.
00:09:12.540And if that's the case, Judge Cannon would be within her rights to dismiss the entire documents case, certainly against Nauta and probably against President Trump as well.
00:09:23.640But I think the key point here is that you're not hearing about this in the mainstream media.
00:09:27.640The mainstream media narrative, which special counsel Jack Smith has seeded, is that this is an open and shut, clear as day case against President Trump.
00:09:37.820And as we dig deeper and deeper into the actual facts of the case and as we look into the Department of Justice's conduct here,
00:09:45.260we're just seeing more and more ways that the case is just not going to hold up, more and more ways that this whole thing may just end up going away.
00:09:53.960Right. And what would what would some of those ways be that you've identified in addition?
00:09:58.760So this, of course, had to go with had to do with this idea of that.
00:10:02.340The lawyer could have been appointed, given a judgeship, which, I mean, just sounds like an obvious dangle to me.
00:10:07.540But what are some of these other these other opportunities that you've noticed?
00:10:11.480Sure. So the Presidential Records Act, President Trump has been talking a lot about this.
00:10:16.280But notably, the indictment does not mention a single time the Presidential Records Act.
00:10:22.400Now, the Presidential Records Act is the federal statute that governs how a president's documents and records are to be managed after he leaves office.
00:10:32.060President Trump's lawyers and President Trump himself have made the case that if these records were personal records,
00:10:40.360President Trump had every right to retain them.
00:10:43.300And under the law, every court that's ever looked at these issues before has said that a president's designation of personal versus presidential records,
00:10:52.140personal records versus official records, isn't reviewable.
00:10:56.280So you have these serious legal infirmities in the case that they've brought against President Trump,
00:11:01.720which, as they're tested in court, there's a real chance that they just blow up in the special counsel's face.
00:11:09.020Another issue is the use of attorney-client communications.
00:11:12.020A big chunk of the case against Trump is premised on conversations that he had with a former lawyer of his named Evan Corcoran.
00:11:21.080Now, typically, those conversations would be privileged and the prosecutors wouldn't be entitled to use those conversations.
00:11:28.740I think that's another issue that President Trump's lawyers are going to challenge probably successfully as this case gets going.
00:11:36.460But if any of these issues goes Trump's way, I think it's going to be very difficult for the special counsel's office to continue prosecuting President Trump on these document charges.
00:11:49.500And I think that may be the reason why they're now looking to expand their investigation and potentially expand their indictment.
00:11:55.840They know they're on shaky ground and they're starting to get worried about it.
00:11:59.220Well, I think that's right. And we've been talking about here on this program, and I've been just ringing the bell wherever I can about this,
00:12:07.560this theory that they have where if they can charge President Trump with, I'm not a lawyer, I'm going to try to do this right,
00:12:17.160if they could charge him for insurrection or seditious conspiracy under something related to January 6th, essentially, and these questions.
00:12:24.220And we see in the news this morning, CNN had a piece up saying, oh, there's a meeting and they're going to look at the meeting as whether or not he wanted to stay in office.
00:12:32.320Could he have stayed in office? The alternate slates of electors, et cetera.
00:12:35.780All of which have been covered, by the way, and back in the past years ago, were done multiple times where elections were challenged.
00:12:43.500They're trying to claim that this was an insurrection, a seditious conspiracy, I guess, that led to an insurrection, file the charges, get an indictment,
00:12:53.840and hopefully, well, from their perspective, hopefully, a conviction by a Washington, D.C. jury that I'm sure was going to convict anyone named Trump or related to the Trump campaign,
00:13:04.200and then try to trigger the disqualification clause of the 14th Amendment.
00:13:11.200Do I have that right? Does that seem to be what the strategy is here?
00:13:15.180I think that's a piece of it, but I think you may be laying out a more complex strategy than they have, Jack.
00:13:21.040I think their strategy is to get Trump at all costs.
00:13:24.340I think they rushed an indictment here in the documents case that they should never have brought before a grand jury, should have never brought into court.
00:13:32.700I think it's the same way that Alvin Bragg in New York charged Trump with crimes that quite simply aren't crimes.
00:13:38.640This is banana republic stuff. It's the weaponization of law enforcement to go after the sitting president's political opponents.
00:13:46.560It's exactly the sort of thing that's never supposed to happen in a country governed by the rule of law like the United States.
00:13:52.900But with Trump, the Libs seem to be willing to make an exception and they will do anything.
00:13:58.420They will cross any line. They will jump over any barrier if it brings them a step closer in their mind to to seeing Trump in cuffs.
00:14:05.880And that's why these fights are so important. And that's why it's so important that all of us stand up, not just against the left, but against the mainstream media and their narratives as well.
00:14:14.820Well, I think it's true because it seems like we're now in a new uncharted territory of the gloves being completely off in Washington, D.C.
00:14:26.800I mean, these used to be lines that were never crossed. These use this idea of charging former presidents, charging political opponents.
00:14:34.400And by the way, and we're also in a situation, of course, where it's not only an immediate former president, it's also someone who is by and far the front runner for the Republican nomination.
00:14:45.460And depending on which poll you look at from week to week, in many cases, the person who actually is in the next seat to win the general election in 2024 against the incumbent who is currently there.
00:15:00.180We're breaking precedents every day. I guess Joe Biden did promise us that he would have a historic administration.
00:15:06.500But but what does this mean in this new world that we live in where we've we're now turning to a criminal law to wage our political battles?
00:15:15.460Yeah. And, you know, make no mistake about it. A special counsel is not an independent counsel.
00:15:21.520Jack Smith reports to Attorney General Merrick Garland, who reports to President Biden.
00:15:26.400What we have here is President Biden investigating, indicting and prosecuting his principal political opponent for no reason, I think, other than politics.
00:15:38.240That's just never supposed to happen in this country. It's a huge threat to the rule of law.
00:15:42.260But this has been the case with Trump for half a decade now.
00:15:45.420This goes back to Crossfire Hurricane, the intelligence abuses that we saw in the 2016 election, where they took basically information that had been planted and seeded by the Clinton campaign and used it to predicate a foreign intelligence investigation into Trump's campaign.
00:16:02.440It's one of the most outrageous abuses in American history.
00:16:05.600Trump has taken it for a very, very long time.
00:16:10.000And it's this obsession on the left with getting with him with getting him.
00:16:14.480And I think it's just it's terribly damaging to the rule of law.
00:16:18.100It's terribly damaging to our constitutional order.
00:16:20.560And I wish folks on the left would wake up to the violence that they're doing to our Constitution and to the country here.
00:16:29.300Well, and I've said before that, you know, I don't think it's hypocrisy.
00:16:34.220So the idea being that they view themselves as above, they view themselves as better than the rules and also in a sort of Nietzschean way, in a sense, that the ends justify the means.
00:16:58.200This is why you're seeing more and more Republicans start to look at investigations, start to talk about impeachment at the state level, at the federal level, go after different things.
00:17:09.300And I think that's something that's becoming more and more of an appetite on the right now, because the left doesn't need to theorize about it.
00:17:18.500They're actually putting their political opponents in handcuffs.
00:17:21.000Yeah, look, once the Pandora's box is open, it's impossible to close.
00:17:27.860The precedent that's being set now with President Trump is not going to be limited to President Trump.
00:17:33.180If the left continues down the path that they're on, I think you're going to see it become increasingly routine for political opponents to be prosecuted in this country.
00:17:43.880And in that sort of a system, all of us lose.
00:17:46.180I mean, the beautiful thing about America is that we have our constitutional system of separation of powers, of federalism, of rights.
00:17:54.380Once you undermine that, there's just there's there's not much left.
00:17:58.160And I think that's the real danger with with the exceptions that the left seem to be willing to make with President Trump.
00:18:05.560But it's not just about President Trump, that once you break down taboos, once you do things that have never been done before, whatever the goal, whatever the objective, you've you've charted new territory.
00:18:17.320And there's just there's no going back.
00:18:19.700So we're already seeing seeing aspects of that.
00:18:22.860I think we're going to see a lot more.
00:18:26.520Well, we're coming up on a break, but when we come back, I'd love to ask you about this lawsuit that was just and filed in Louisiana at the attorney general level against the Biden administration.
00:18:38.460We've got the ruling out regarding social media, censorship, et cetera.
00:18:42.080I want to ask you more about the ability of state's attorneys general to fight back at the abuses of the administration.
00:18:49.120Let's get into more of this human events as we continue.
00:18:51.540All right, Jack, we are here back awaiting President Trump.
00:19:09.240But we do have with us Will Scharf, who's walking us through some of these issues regarding those cases.
00:19:15.040But I wanted to also turn to a case that Missouri and Louisiana have been working on specifically this case regarding and, you know, of course, the media politico saying the judge is limiting the Biden administration's ability to fight disinformation.
00:19:28.300Sure. And, you know, this has been going on for over a decade now, going back to the Obama administration.
00:19:58.260We saw outstanding conservative attorneys general, guys like Patrick Morrissey in West Virginia, then Attorney General Scott Pruitt in Oklahoma, filing lawsuits to frustrate crucial aspects of the most radical aspects of Obama's policy agenda.
00:20:16.780I think back to the Clean Power Plan, which would have been a total government takeover of energy in America or waters of the United States, which would have crippled American farming.
00:20:27.240These were fights back in the in the Obama administration that were really led by state AGs.
00:20:33.680Today, you have similar fights against some of the most radical abuses of the Biden administration.
00:20:39.160The case you're talking about, Missouri v. Biden, it's a case that was brought by then Attorney General Eric Schmidt, who's now a United States senator and Attorney General Jeff Landry down in Louisiana, along with a number of individual plaintiffs like Jay Bhattacharya, Gateway Pundit.
00:20:57.740These were people who had been censored by social media outlets, predominantly social media outlets during the height of the covid pandemic, during the height of covid craziness.
00:21:09.080And what's come out in that case is that this censorship wasn't just the the random act of Twitter or Facebook or YouTube, but that officials within the Biden administration were colluding with these big tech companies to silence conservative voices.
00:21:26.720And the allegation is that that's a violation of the first amendment.
00:21:31.280So far, this case has met with a lot of success in the courts, and I think it's going to continue percolating through the federal court system for a long time.
00:21:40.440But the underlying principle is a very important one, which is that if we're going to have a marketplace of ideas, the federal government can't be putting a finger on the scales and it certainly can't be pressuring with illegal means the the arbiters of that marketplace, social media companies and the press to silence voices that may disagree with it.
00:22:03.380It's one that if you're your listeners aren't or your viewers aren't watching, they should be.
00:22:08.040And I'm sure it's going to have many twists and turns in the in the months ahead.
00:22:13.400Well, I agree. And that's that's something we've actually been covering in great detail.
00:22:16.940We right here on this program, we were one of the very first people.
00:22:21.520And the wonderful Taylor Lorenz gave us comment, gave us credit and gave human events credit for targeting and calling the alarm on Nina Yankovich when the disinformation governance board was set up at the Department of Homeland Security, a law enforcement agency of the federal government to target what they call disinformation and misinformation.
00:22:43.960Using what would have been the auspices of law enforcement abilities, obviously, everybody knows the powers of the Department of Homeland Security.
00:22:52.720We set them up for the purposes of fighting terrorism in the wake of 9-11.
00:22:58.060But there were people like like the civil libertarians like Ron Paul and others that that raised the the flag and said, hey, wait a minute.
00:23:05.580What happens if these same powers start to be used against American citizens?
00:23:09.780Well, here we are about 20 years later and we see what's happening.
00:23:13.060So walk us through then what stage is the case at now?
00:23:17.460Because if I understand correctly, this is a preliminary ruling.
00:23:20.160This is not the final ruling at the at the district level.
00:23:24.240And then, of course, this could potentially go up to the appeals and then Supreme Court.
00:23:28.940That's correct. So this is a preliminary injunction that's been entered by by a district court judge.
00:23:34.380And that preliminary injunction says basically that a long list of federal officials can no longer talk to, collude with these these social media companies to achieve the sorts of things that that they've been that they've been doing.
00:23:49.420That order, that preliminary injunction will be appealed up to the Fifth Circuit, could potentially be appealed up from there to the Supreme Court.
00:23:57.820After that preliminary injunction is fully litigated, then the real case starts.
00:24:04.280Eventually, this will this will likely go to trial and then then you'll have a final judgment and then that will get appealed and then that could get appealed up to the Supreme Court.
00:24:14.580Long story short, this is going to be a long story, but the early results have been very promising for those of us who care about free speech.
00:24:23.240And there's just one more thing that I'd note.
00:24:25.580You know, one of the plaintiffs in this case, one of the key people who was impacted by government censorship was Jay Bhattacharya.
00:24:33.080Now, Dr. Bhattacharya is an eminent professor and doctor at Stanford University.
00:24:38.880I mean, he's as elite as you can come.
00:24:41.100The idea that he was peddling disinformation, it was always insane.
00:24:47.640He and a number of other doctors came out with what was called the Great Barrington Declaration, which basically said that America had to reopen.
00:24:54.140And the fact that he a guy with his credentials of his caliber was censored along with all the rest of us shows you, I think, just how desperate the left is to control media narratives and just how far off the off the rails this censorship apparatus really went.
00:25:11.860So when we look at this from the case of the appeals, if it let's let's let's cut to the chase, if this thing makes it all the way up to the Supreme Court, I mean, you really are essentially wrestling with these issues of, you know, of course, the First Amendment says shall make no law.
00:25:30.660But that's been interpreted to mean that the federal government can't take action that would stifle speech.
00:25:36.300Now, aren't we basically really at that point and putting a ruling in to say, where will where will it come in?
00:25:44.720Oh, you know what, guys, it looks like it looks like President Trump actually is taking the stage.
00:25:49.860Will, we are going to have to have you back on next week to continue this because I need an answer to my question.
00:44:23.040I said, Ron, let me tell you, if George Washington came back from the dead and he had the support
00:44:28.040of Abraham Lincoln, you can't get elected.
00:44:31.040He said, sir, if you endorse me, if you endorse me, sir, I'm telling you, I can win.
00:44:37.040And, you know, he fought a little bit along with 200 other people, frankly, but he fought a little bit for when they did impeachment hoax number one and impeachment hoax number two.
00:45:11.040He was so far behind because you know why?
00:45:13.040Because he was a lousy candidate and I endorsed him and he became like a rocket ship.
00:45:19.040And he ended up getting the nomination.
00:45:21.040Then I held a few rallies for him because he was not going to beat the man that he was running against, who at the time was said to be the hottest guy in the Democrat Party.
00:45:29.040And Ron said, no, I won't be able to beat him.
00:48:24.040Don't forget he was a congressman and he was voting against it and fighting for years to kill every single job supported by this very important industry.
00:48:33.040Ending the renewable fuel standard was one of his top priorities as a member of Congress.
00:49:16.040But he's what he's done to ethanol has been very bad and the people in the ethanol industry understand that he's bad news.
00:49:24.040In Florida, De Sanctis is famous for his cruel targeting of family farms, not in favor of the farms.
00:49:30.040In a callous betrayal of farmers, De Sanctis recently vetoed over one hundred and thirty million dollars in farm subsidies,
00:49:37.040prompting the Florida agricultural commissioner to state in total disbelief.
00:49:43.040This is no conceivable and there is no conceivable reason to target agriculture in a year when we have billions and dollars and billions of reserves.
00:49:55.040Agriculture was harmed today by the governor of Florida and harmed very badly.
00:57:18.040They're looking to destroy our country, but we'll get the prices way down and then we'll get the interest rates down.
00:57:23.040And then the home builders are going to start to build again because they've stopped because nobody can get money from a bank.
00:57:29.040Nobody can borrow money because the interest rates are so high.
00:57:33.040We won't just increase ethanol production in our country.
00:57:37.040We'll make it our mission to export the ethanol, which I told all of your dealers and all of the people, thousands and thousands of jobs in your state.
00:58:07.040If India or China or any one of many countries, which is what they were doing to us, hits us with a 100 percent or 200 percent tariff or tax, we will hit them with exactly the same tariff or tax right back.
00:58:24.040So that if India, which I have a great relationship with Modi, like them, but they're very tough traders.
00:58:31.040And they, as an example, if a Harley Davidson sold into India, they charge them almost 200 percent tax.
00:59:05.040They wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for us.
00:59:08.040That if they do not give preferential treatment to our farmers and to our manufacturers, the troops are going to pack up and they're going to come home.
00:59:24.040I'd have a lot of meetings with the heads of country, a number of them in particular, but one and really we were spending billions and billions of dollars protecting them.
00:59:33.040I said, where do you buy your military equipment?
00:59:58.040And for the purposes of national security, I will ban communist China from buying up American farmland and other critical infrastructure in the United States.
01:01:51.040I saw them doing an interview, sort of a straight interview, and they were saying, so his name is DeSanctis, but nobody calls him that anymore because it's like they get confused.
01:01:59.040There are so many names, so we're getting ready to interview Ron DeSanctis, and they're screaming, no, it's DeSanctis.
01:02:09.040I've changed a lot of, we've changed a lot of lives with those nicknames, haven't we?
01:02:14.040They follow people right to the grave, they follow them.
01:02:18.040In Ohio, we're hit by 44 points, just came out against Ron DeSanctis.
01:02:26.040And the new Tennessee poll, I love Tennessee.
01:02:30.040You know, we have, we have every congressman and woman, we have the two senators, everybody in Tennessee with the endorsements.
01:02:37.040The Tennessee poll, we're up by 49 points.
01:02:41.040When asked who's the best to improve the economy, they go Trump almost 60%, DeSanctis 18%.
01:02:50.040And in New Hampshire, a poll just came out, Trump 55%, DeSanctis 11%.
01:02:59.040In South Carolina, you saw we had almost 80,000 people last weekend.
01:03:05.040And it was 102 degrees and it was hot.
01:03:08.040Who else could stand up for an hour and a half?
01:07:43.040But these incredible poll numbers are the primary reason that crooked Joe Biden is weaponized law enforcement and ordered his top political opponent.
01:07:52.040Me right in the middle of the election, because we're right now in the middle of a big deal.
01:07:57.040He ordered me arrested right here, right at this time.
01:08:08.040And this is a continuation of the greatest witch hunt of all times, which was when we came down the escalator, the beautiful golden escalator.
01:08:18.040And it's all about a thing called election interference.
01:08:22.040This is a new way of cheating, not really new over the centuries.
01:08:25.040You know, things like this have happened, but they've never happened in our country to the extent they have.
01:08:30.040They rigged the presidential election of 2020.
01:08:33.040And we're not going to allow them to rig the presidential election of 20.
01:08:39.040And then on top of everything else, a highly respected federal judge, you just read it, issued a ruling this week that detailed substantial evidence of government involvement in social
01:09:08.020media censorship with the FBI, the DOJ would tell the people heading up social media what to do.
01:20:29.020The following morning, I think it was a Friday morning, I get a call from all three countries in particular, from all three countries, almost at the same time, but separate calls.
01:20:37.020Mr. President, I understand you're upset with us.
01:23:30.020He calls me back in about three minutes.
01:23:33.020President, we have decided that in order to have a fine relationship with the United States, we will not be putting any tax on American businesses.
01:26:55.020But what you have now is an ability to negotiate something before you had no ability whatsoever.
01:27:02.020Remember the governor of Virginia, former governor, where he said the baby is born.
01:27:08.020And after the baby is born, you sit down with the mother and you make a determination as to whether or not you will terminate that baby's life.
01:27:15.020This is a baby that's born. This is not in the ninth month.
01:28:43.020I fully rebuilt the US military, created Space Force, defeated 100% of ISIS, and brought our troops back home.
01:28:57.020I was the first president in decades who didn't start a war.
01:29:03.020But all of that was only just the beginning.
01:29:08.020And here's some of the agenda, a very strong agenda that I'll immediately implement when we become, we become, we because it's really we, the 47th president of the United States.
01:29:27.020I will totally obliterate the deep state.
01:29:36.020Before I even arrive at the Oval Office shortly after I win the presidency, I will have the horrible war between Russia and Ukraine settled.
01:29:46.020Somebody said, are you on Russia's side?
01:33:49.020And most of the people in this room have common sense.
01:33:51.020As an example, who the hell wants an open border for the world to spill in, for them to dump every person who's mentally ill or a convicted killer or convict into our country?
01:34:21.020Under the Trump administration, we imposed extreme vetting and put on a powerful travel ban to keep radical Islamic terrorists and jihadists out of our country.