Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 514： ZELENSKY REJECTED BY NATO, TRUMP DOMINATES IN NEW POLL

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00:03:17.120 The NATO summit that we've been telling you all about just kicked off today in Vilnius.

00:03:23.460 I was in Vilnius a couple of weeks ago there at the presidential palace.

00:03:27.600 But Vladimir Zelensky, president of Ukraine, some harsh words, harsh words from Mr. Zelensky for NATO because he turns out that he found out on the way to the summit that guess what?

00:03:42.600 All that work, all those promises were for naught.

00:03:47.140 Ukraine has been rejected for NATO membership.

00:03:52.460 Now, of course, they're saying, well, we'll get back to you later.

00:03:55.760 We're just going to delay it for a little bit.

00:03:57.780 There's just a few more conditions, some things we have to work on.

00:04:01.260 Zelensky releasing an incredible, just this morning, 6 a.m. Eastern time, a blistering statement attacking NATO, saying Ukraine deserves respect.

00:04:14.940 We are receiving signals that wording is being discussed without Ukraine.

00:04:19.200 This wording is about the invitation to become a NATO member, not about Ukraine's membership.

00:04:24.080 It's unprecedented and absurd when time frame is not set, neither for the invitation nor for Ukraine's membership, while at the same time, vague wording about conditions is being added, even for inviting Ukraine.

00:04:40.240 Oh, I'm so sorry.

00:04:42.500 No invitation for you, Zelensky. 1.00

00:04:45.980 No invitation.

00:04:46.740 It seems there is no right.

00:04:48.520 This is his words, not mine.

00:04:49.980 It seems there is no readiness, neither to invite Ukraine to NATO, nor to make it a member of the alliance.

00:04:56.780 This means that a window opportunity is being left to bargain Ukraine's membership in NATO in future negotiations with Russia.

00:05:03.600 And for Russia, this means motivation to continue its terror. 0.82

00:05:07.260 Uncertainty is weakness.

00:05:08.340 And I will openly discuss this at the summit.

00:05:10.800 Listen to him sending ultimatums.

00:05:12.600 I will openly discuss this at the summit.

00:05:15.400 Look, it's simple.

00:05:18.340 What NATO is trying to do is they're saying, keep fighting.

00:05:23.520 Thanks for fighting Russia for us.

00:05:25.780 Better luck next time.

00:05:27.400 But we'll be more than happy to send you more weapons.

00:05:31.060 We'd be more than happy to send you more vehicles to get blown up in your counter-offensive.

00:05:36.220 While your people have to die fighting Russia for us and we'll continue to arm you, but we're not actually going to lift a finger to defend you ourselves. 0.94

00:05:49.220 Ukraine really needs to ask themselves what's going on here.

00:05:52.920 Are you really dealing with people who have your best interests in heart or theirs?

00:05:58.460 Look, I said last week, sue for peace.

00:06:01.840 I'm saying it again.

00:06:02.820 I'll say it to Zelensky.

00:06:03.720 I'll say it to Putin.

00:06:04.460 I'll say it to whoever needs to listen.

00:06:07.300 End this war.

00:06:10.480 President Zelensky, your people deserve better than to be blown up in the minefields.

00:06:18.240 End this war.

00:06:19.340 Remember, don't trust these guys.

00:06:22.520 They lied to you once.

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00:06:26.060 Do you honestly think they're going to put Ukraine in NATO while you're in an active conflict with Russia?

00:06:32.620 It ain't going to happen.

00:06:33.880 It just ain't going to happen.

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00:06:45.620 Folks, we got a big show.

00:06:46.560 We got Raheem Kassam on.

00:06:47.900 I want to get his response to this.

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00:08:21.100 Now, very excited to bring back on Mr. Raheem Kassam, the editor-in-chief of the National Pulse.

00:08:27.760 He just launched a new podcast called The Campaign Trail, two episodes I've listened to.

00:08:34.400 And Raheem, I've got to tell you something, man.

00:08:37.380 I actually was so into episode two of your podcast that I put it down.

00:08:45.440 Not 2x, not 1.75.

00:08:48.760 You got a coveted 1.5x as I was listening to that podcast.

00:08:52.460 So bravo to you, sir.

00:08:53.800 But I do have to say, can I get your take?

00:08:56.180 And I know that you and I, in addition to talking about the 2024 shakeups, that we've seen this huge news, I think, out of the NATO summit.

00:09:06.440 This statement from Zelensky saying, basically finding out, and of course, we don't know whether or not this is really written for him or how much of this is prescripted,

00:09:15.720 but basically blasting NATO for saying that Ukraine will not be given membership at the summit, where they're all meeting right now in Vilnius.

00:09:24.440 What does this really send in terms of a message?

00:09:27.220 And are they essentially trying to have their cake and eat it, too?

00:09:29.780 They're saying, we'll give you the weapons.

00:09:31.940 We'll give you the materiel.

00:09:33.480 But, oh, by the way, we won't give you the defensive guarantees, so go have fun fighting the Russians by yourself. 0.87

00:09:40.320 Well, I mean, I don't think you could take the leaderships of any NATO countries seriously ever again.

00:09:50.360 You know, they're already hanging by a thread, most of them, in terms of popular, you know, consensus behind their views.

00:09:57.540 And I don't think anybody, I mean, I think you'd have riots on the streets overnight if Ukraine were allowed into NATO overnight and invoked Article 5,

00:10:06.780 because that would effectively mean a third world war.

00:10:10.120 And it's a world war for a lot of people.

00:10:12.860 While they, well, the polling still bears out, the publics in the West particularly believe that Western governments should be supportive of Ukraine in their fight against Putin's Russia.

00:10:23.980 They don't believe that the Western nations themselves should become involved.

00:10:27.400 And so they're having to tread a very thin line here.

00:10:30.740 And the person getting the thin end of the wedge is Zelensky himself.

00:10:36.600 He has proved unable to pursue any kind of spring offensive, just like I predicted there would be no spring offensive,

00:10:44.600 to any measure of success as far as either his Western benefactors or, in fact, his own public concern.

00:10:51.220 And then on top of that, you now have this, you know, diplomatic fracas that he finds himself in.

00:10:57.720 And it's not just the content of the message, right, calling it absurd to not want a third world war. 0.94

00:11:03.120 But it also stood out to me that, hey, how come this guy sometimes speaks and writes in perfect English and sometimes speaks and writes in broken English?

00:11:12.120 So you're right to bring up, you know, who knows who actually put that statement together.

00:11:17.820 But what it does feel like is one of the most panicky guilt trips that you can you can try and offer up when you're losing a major both diplomatic and physical fight.

00:11:28.340 No, I think that's right. And I think, honestly, when we look at the situation on the ground, they're being chewed up in this counteroffensive.

00:11:38.040 There was no spring counteroffensive. It's turned into a summer counteroffensive.

00:11:41.540 It's one that was not co-signed by any of the leaders of Ukraine's military or their their ministry of their ministry of defense.

00:11:51.000 This idea that they would just basically be flinging themselves at Russian minefields and Russian artillery has turned into a complete nightmare materialistically for the Ukrainians.

00:12:03.700 And it doesn't surprise me at all that, of course, in NATO, they want full speed ahead because, of course, they've said publicly this isn't about having Ukraine win.

00:12:12.580 It's about having them this idea that we're going to degrade Russia and that we're going to degrade Russian armaments.

00:12:19.220 Well, who's doing the degrading and what what cost is being borne by the Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian nation in order to serve the needs of NATO?

00:12:29.020 And I'm not sure how that's helping other than the grave diggers in Kiev, which I don't know if you saw.

00:12:33.780 There was some impromptu protest over the weekend because they don't have enough space to build graves over in Kiev.

00:12:41.700 That's the latest there. But anyway, I want to get your take on that.

00:12:44.180 You're joining us today, though, because you've launched this podcast on the campaign trail.

00:12:50.400 I find it fascinating. One of the best source guys in the business after myself, of course.

00:12:55.860 But but walk us through walk us through the latest episodes of this and and what this podcast means in terms of the listener.

00:13:05.200 And then also, of course, how they can access it.

00:13:06.660 Yeah. So one of the things one of the complaints that my audience, I guess, always make of me is that I don't do my own show and I have done in the past.

00:13:17.620 I think I either had this time slot in the past or the three o'clock time slot in the past on Real America's Voice.

00:13:24.780 And and, you know, God bless you, Jack, because it's just not for me doing doing daily shows like that.

00:13:30.460 It's such a heavy lift and and it's much more work, I think, than people realize.

00:13:37.020 And it's also not the way I like to frame things.

00:13:39.980 You know, I'm a writer by my main profession and an editor of words, but I don't mind putting together kind of these compendiums every week of, you know, it's between 45 and 47 minutes long every week.

00:13:55.360 And it's it's the major flashpoints of the campaign.

00:13:58.540 It's not just like, hey, here's the news for the day.

00:14:01.700 And certainly no offense to the people who do that every day.

00:14:05.260 It's just it's just way too much work for me.

00:14:07.260 So I get to sort of distill the campaign world down and I wear several hats while I'm doing it.

00:14:13.860 Right. So I wear the I've run campaigns hat so I can tell you what's going on and why certain decisions are being made throughout the week.

00:14:22.920 And then also I'm very well sourced within a number of different campaigns.

00:14:27.820 People would be surprised who actually likes to talk and likes to say, hey, here's what I think we did wrong this week.

00:14:34.720 Here's what where I think we're going next week.

00:14:37.380 And I think, you know, all of those things put together make for a very sort of cool inside politics podcast.

00:14:46.100 So it's at it's at the national pulse dot com.

00:14:48.820 I love doing it specifically because it's one segment I do every week called how not to campaign,

00:14:53.400 where I focus on a particular thing that I thought stood out for the week as a flub or something that might harm the campaigns.

00:15:02.380 And and yeah, I think people are really seeming to dig it.

00:15:06.200 People can get it over at the national pulse dot com.

00:15:08.060 So what? OK, so so if you can if you can give away some of your secrets for us, what what would you say in the past week for the campaigns?

00:15:18.680 I know you focus a lot on DeSantis, but there's other campaigns out there.

00:15:21.960 What would you say was the biggest flub of a campaign of the last week?

00:15:25.920 And then what was the biggest success?

00:15:27.180 Well, that's interesting, because personally, I take a very dim view of the fact that DeSantis sort of retreated from the trail himself at the end of last week

00:15:39.240 and that Casey was out there doing the majority of that, you know, mama's for DeSantis campaign launch.

00:15:46.400 That struck me as odd.

00:15:47.880 I think it struck most people as a little bit strange, a little bit the principal, the candidate taking a backseat to his wife on the campaign trail.

00:15:56.140 And the way she handled it, I think, was odd as well.

00:15:59.440 A lot of talk up there about her children and the tantrums they throw and throwing slime onto the ceiling of the governor's mansion and all of this stuff.

00:16:08.800 And yes, in isolation, those can be really funny and endearing stories.

00:16:13.500 But she went on for I think it was five minutes, maybe a little bit longer of just like horror story upon horror story upon horror story,

00:16:22.100 effectively saying like, hey, we're pretty poor disciplinarians as parents.

00:16:26.700 And I went to her tone in the podcast as well.

00:16:30.260 And her tone was that of exasperation.

00:16:32.640 It wasn't a mom telling like cutesy stories about her kids.

00:16:36.220 It was it was you wouldn't believe what they did this time.

00:16:39.840 And then and then I had to do this and that and the other.

00:16:42.440 And it's this kind of rattled way.

00:16:44.440 So that was a combination, right, of Ron stepping back, her stepping into the limelight and it not going particularly well.

00:16:52.400 There are there are things that I think campaigns are doing, which are which are interesting and innovative.

00:16:56.500 And I'm actually hoping to have Vivek Ramaswamy on a future episode to talk about how he's doing this this innovative thing around donations and cutting ordinary people into that process of bringing bringing donations, bringing funders into a political campaign.

00:17:12.980 And that is populism, right?

00:17:14.700 That is populism in action.

00:17:16.600 So so it's all kinds of things like that.

00:17:18.400 But I think, you know, you can listen to NPR.

00:17:20.960 You can listen to, you know, New York Times podcast.

00:17:24.660 But they're only going to be telling you it with with a perverse left wing spin.

00:17:28.480 I don't think we have anything on our side quite like this yet.

00:17:31.580 And that's why I'm what's what I'm really excited about.

00:17:35.120 No, I think it's great.

00:17:36.140 And I also appreciate that you in in the same way that that I something I think about a lot is tone.

00:17:41.800 And, you know, you've got the you know, the Casey DeSantis, the the the breathing.

00:17:46.500 Then in the first week of episode, I got a little shout out because you mentioned how Ron DeSantis was in his interview with Jesse Waters was eating while on camera.

00:17:58.840 And that's something which is just number one, it's just rude.

00:18:02.020 And the number two for for a lot of people and, you know, because, you know, me for some of us, we just have that thing called misophonia where you you just literally can't listen to that.

00:18:12.480 And that was something where I think you kind of you kind of aped it a little bit on the episode to like that was the part I was great to actually get get out of here.

00:18:21.480 Get it. I had it on my car and I had to like cranked all the way up as I was leaving Wawa.

00:18:26.180 And it's like, no, no, I was drove into the back of somebody.

00:18:30.120 And it was like, great, thanks.

00:18:31.440 I think I texted you right after that.

00:18:32.780 Thanks. So thanks for that, buddy.

00:18:34.320 But when we get back, I do want to go through with you and handicap some of the latest moves because there have been big moves just in the last 24 hours.

00:18:41.960 Even since then.

00:18:43.740 And who knows, maybe some of this will end up in the podcast later this weekend.

00:18:49.580 But, folks, if you want to hear it right now, you can by continuing to stay tuned to Human Defense.

00:18:55.140 We'll be right back after the break.

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00:19:03.960 All right, folks, I got to tell you, we do a lot of work here on this podcast.

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00:19:53.620 Now, Raheem, you know, something that happened this week that has been, you know, getting a lot of attention online.

00:20:00.280 I broke the story late last night just via Twitter, put us on Truth Social that Governor DeSantis and I want to be very clear about something.

00:20:11.480 The Turning Point Action is coming up this weekend and it's Saturday, Sunday, and we've got President Trump.

00:20:18.280 But we also have other candidates.

00:20:19.220 We have Viveka, you just mentioned, we have Asa Hutchinson, who's going to be attending.

00:20:23.940 We have a number of candidates who will be in attendance and that we are featuring on the main stage.

00:20:32.700 We extended an invitation to every single candidate to be there.

00:20:37.320 Governor DeSantis officially declined that invitation yesterday.

00:20:42.700 And over on Truth, you know, I posted it up that he declined to come in West Palm Beach.

00:20:48.460 And President Trump woke up this morning and then not only, I guess you say, read Truth, but read Truth, my post,

00:20:54.620 and then every single person that had commented under it, basically in response to this.

00:21:00.880 So a huge, huge response from the president.

00:21:04.140 But I have to ask you, you know, what is your take, right, looking at it as, you know, an outside observer on all of this?

00:21:12.320 Why not show up to a conservative event with young activists?

00:21:18.280 And what effect, if any, does this have on the race?

00:21:22.240 What message does it send?

00:21:23.520 Yeah, look, so Jack, in fairness to Ron DeSantis, he has actually been summoned for crisis talks by his donors up to the Hamptons sometime in the next week.

00:21:38.340 So probably he's actually unable to attend the Turning Point conference because his campaign needs a turning point, right?

00:21:45.920 His campaign is really, I mean, I cannot stress this enough, because I've watched a lot of DeSantis influencers over the course of the last 24 hours, less than, on the Internet,

00:22:00.460 like slamming Turning Point and saying, oh, you guys are all just, you know, Trump people.

00:22:07.540 And, you know, but the governor has done turning point events many times before and received, you know, riotous applause at these events.

00:22:16.840 I shouldn't have thought that there was reason for his campaign to necessarily believe that he wouldn't still be welcomed just because he's not doing particularly well in the polls and because he said some nasty things about the frontrunner.

00:22:27.740 I think most people are big enough and ugly enough, right?

00:22:30.660 I certainly am to be able to deal with things like that.

00:22:33.180 But there are two other corollaries to that, which I think are dreadfully important on this.

00:22:40.640 Number one, you know, DeSantis and his campaign have been running not towards but away from populism over the last couple of months.

00:22:49.200 And you can see it in their fundraising, right?

00:22:50.800 They don't do the average $34.20 donation that the Trump campaign has.

00:22:56.020 They do the big billionaire donors.

00:22:58.240 That's why he's being summoned to the Hamptons for these crisis talks.

00:23:01.500 Where is our money going and why isn't the campaign going well?

00:23:04.960 And I think the other part of it is he's so incredibly, and I don't know whether this is coming from him or Jeff Rowe, his campaign strategist, or where it's coming from, right?

00:23:13.960 But they're so incredibly wantonly offensive in the way they treat people.

00:23:20.880 And firstly, in the way they treat MAGA voters who they actually just insult them.

00:23:26.460 Well, no wonder you're not picking any of them up.

00:23:28.360 You're just, you know, your people are just online trashing them.

00:23:31.500 And also to the donors, because DeSantis is expected, per Charlie Gasparino's report from this morning, to tell the donors that he's playing the long game and, you know, not to worry.

00:23:43.880 Everything's going according to plan.

00:23:45.520 Well, that is contempt.

00:23:47.460 You are treating your own donors and your own base, therefore, with utter intellectual contempt.

00:23:54.860 And I just, it confounds me every time I see it.

00:24:00.320 And it's every day right now.

00:24:01.400 It's once or twice a day.

00:24:03.220 There's a major, major DeSantis campaign flub.

00:24:05.900 And I cannot figure out for the life of me how you continue to choose the bad response to everything.

00:24:12.980 Remember, last week, they put out that horrible gay meme, and everything you saw all week was DeSantis and the word gay in a headline.

00:24:19.760 And people do word association in their head, right?

00:24:22.540 And instead of just, like, taking the L and leaving it, they send him on a Fox Court podcast with Tommy Lahren, where he's now defending a meme that is supposedly created by a third-party non-campaign person.

00:24:34.600 And the principal is out there defending it.

00:24:37.220 Just day after day after day, these people are showing, like, what apps – I wouldn't even say amateurs.

00:24:42.720 Amateurs would do a better job.

00:24:44.420 Amateurs could at least hold themselves above 20%.

00:24:46.940 He's now at 17% in the latest morning consult.

00:24:49.800 That's down two points over the last week.

00:24:52.300 It's terrible.

00:24:53.220 Remember what I said on this show a couple weeks ago?

00:24:55.620 I said, DeSantis to 10% by midsummer?

00:24:58.520 We're heading there.

00:24:59.140 But when you said that, I remember sitting there thinking, like, hey, you know, it's really nice that I'm the host of the show, and I get to bring on people to make the predictions for me so that I don't have to worry about actually being held to account by them.

00:25:14.720 And I remember thinking that's bold.

00:25:17.080 I mean, I could see – as I've said it before a million times, I think Trump wins the nomination.

00:25:22.580 But 10%, I said he's been such a good governor.

00:25:25.700 He's built up such a – not only a financial war chest but a political war chest of capital and goodwill in his fights against some of the – you know, these emissaries of the woke left that I thought for sure that it would turn.

00:25:40.160 But there was a moment that stood out to me that I don't think you mentioned on your podcast, but it was very interesting.

00:25:46.980 And I sent a text to Richard Barris about this, and he and I will be chatting right after you, asking about it as well.

00:25:53.820 But when President Trump brought up Governor DeSantis' name recently at an event in Iowa for farmers, it drew booze.

00:26:04.960 It actually did draw booze. 0.99

00:26:06.880 And I remember thinking this is a Republican event, and at other times – and of course, President Trump's gone after DeSantis for, I think, months at this point, probably at least seven months going back to January.

00:26:18.600 But this idea – or even before – but I've never heard that reaction from even a grassroots crowd before.

00:26:27.560 Does that mean something has shifted?

00:26:29.220 Does it feel like something has shifted on the ground now?

00:26:33.320 Yeah, two things.

00:26:34.440 One, I think everybody who back when, whatever it was, November, said that Trump was wrong to be attacking DeSantis back then.

00:26:44.580 I think all of those people need to take a long, hard look in the mirror, because Trump knew back then what everybody else knows now, right?

00:26:50.780 Which was that globalist donors were backing Ron to put the skin suit of populism and MAGA on, but represent a philosophy that's totally different.

00:27:00.160 And again, you know, in the long run, Trump ended up correct.

00:27:03.280 The second part of it is, well, it was a Trump event, so naturally the person who's been attacking Trump back now is going to get some boos and some jeers in that audience.

00:27:15.060 But I think more interesting is that Trump's name doesn't elicit those responses when DeSantis attacks him out on the stump.

00:27:25.840 And that's a big, that's a more interesting juxtaposition, I think.

00:27:30.740 It just sort of goes to show you, and if you really want to get into the deep data on this stuff, you can, because a lot of pollsters are asking these questions.

00:27:40.240 You know, prioritization, not just of your candidates, but on certain issues.

00:27:44.940 And the only one that Ron comes out even remotely tough on is woke and gay stuff, right, which is great, but it's not the be-all and end-all of being the next president of the United States. 0.80

00:27:56.160 And Trump comes up top on immigration, Trump comes up top on economy, Trump comes up top on crime, border wall, like, you know, foreign affairs, you name it, across the board.

00:28:05.680 And these are the kitchen table issues, these are your bread and butter issues.

00:28:09.740 And I think, I think now that people have started to see that DeSantis is kind of like a, like a one-trick pony who has to wear special shirts so that he doesn't sweat through them,

00:28:19.500 and who's constantly going to placate his donors and all of this stuff, I think they're willing to boot at this point.

00:28:25.580 You know, all his goodwill that he amassed over the years of being a good governor, an okay congressman, all of that's, all of that's gone out the window.

00:28:35.680 So Raheem, you know, we'll let people know where they can go to subscribe to your podcast, to subscribe to National Polls, folks.

00:28:44.180 And I hope you know Raheem's in dire streets.

00:28:46.640 He's had to sell his camera, he's had to sell his microphone in order, sell his suits.

00:28:53.160 I mean, he's wearing tatters in order to be able to launch this new podcast for the good of the people.

00:29:00.460 What's going on there, man?

00:29:01.960 Are you in hock?

00:29:03.000 Is that what happened?

00:29:03.660 I am, I am minutes away from doing these podcasts from the street corner, okay?

00:29:11.020 But the one thing we will not do is sell our souls.

00:29:14.580 Oh, well, I guess there's two things we won't do.

00:29:16.120 We will not sell our souls and we will not sell advertising.

00:29:18.760 You know, the National Polls is an ad-free website that is tailored to be attractive for the audience.

00:29:26.200 There are stories of 200 words because that's the news, not 1,200 words because I'm trying to keep you on the site and serve you more ads like the corporate media does, right?

00:29:35.360 And so we rely on people to join up.

00:29:39.500 It's nine bucks a month, which is extremely cheap for what you get, especially because one of those benefits is the podcast.

00:29:46.060 That's the only way to get the podcast.

00:29:47.780 It's for our members.

00:29:48.920 It's my way of saying thank you and reading people into conversations and campaign talking points that you just don't get in most of the media.

00:29:58.260 And in some cases, you will get nowhere else at all.

00:30:01.320 So it's thenationalpulse.com.

00:30:03.000 I'm always grateful for the time to promote it, Jack.

00:30:04.900 And, you know, we have a community of thousands now, and one of the best things about it is we have a community chat, and I'm in there every day, and I love talking to them and hearing their ideas, and they DM me stories from around where they are out in the country, things they want highlighted.

00:30:17.900 So there are so many benefits to this.

00:30:19.800 So I hope people will come to thenationalpulse.com and join us.

00:30:24.640 Folks, Raheem is putting everything on the line.

00:30:27.500 He's sold everything, his entire wardrobe, all that's left are the pocket squares.

00:30:32.720 He's down to the pocket squares, folks.

00:30:35.060 Help a brother out.

00:30:36.140 That's all I'm wearing down there, by the way.

00:30:38.380 That's, ah, you know, there's a reason that, you know, we cut the, cut his mic.

00:30:44.200 Would you, why is he still on the show?

00:30:46.140 All right, you know, this is, we're going to have to go another couple of weeks without a Raheem Kassam appearance.

00:30:50.260 Because, you know, this is like the time, by the way, when I had Alex Jones on, and I asked him boxers a brief, and then he just kind of looked at the camera, and he goes, you know, most of the time, nothing at all, Jack.

00:31:00.020 And I'm like, oh, no.

00:31:01.160 And I'm like, Alex, boy, this is, this is why they have to ban you everywhere.

00:31:06.740 But we will not ban Alex Jones, and we will not ban Raheem Kassam, and we will not silence anyone.

00:31:11.360 And that is why Richard Barris, the voice of the people, the people's pundit, is joining us next here on what may be the very last Human Events episode ever.

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00:33:11.300 Folks, I promised him the man, the myth, the legend, the troublemaker is here, the voice of the people,

00:33:17.180 the people's pundit, Richard Barris, fresh off clarifying and shining a light on the doings and the don'tings of California.

00:33:26.680 We now have fresh polls, hot off the presses, which I don't know if they've been shared yet publicly,

00:33:33.100 but certainly an exclusive on Human Events.

00:33:35.600 Richard Barris joins us once again.

00:33:37.400 Richard, how's it going, man?

00:33:38.800 The troublemaker, brother.

00:33:40.560 I love that.

00:33:41.400 I'll take that title.

00:33:42.720 The troublemaker.

00:33:43.360 You got to be the troublemaker.

00:33:45.200 This is the man.

00:33:46.160 It's like, everyone's calling me, why is Richard Barris saying this?

00:33:48.460 Why is Richard Barris saying that?

00:33:49.840 And I'll say, you know what?

00:33:51.200 You know, what can I say?

00:33:52.660 Richard Barris might say something, and he might ruffle a few feathers,

00:33:55.540 but you know what?

00:33:56.180 He usually comes out on the right side.

00:33:58.680 So let me tell him, let me let you take the stick here for a minute,

00:34:02.480 because you were telling me all about last night,

00:34:04.900 and we were texting even before the show today, about the state of Iowa.

00:34:10.220 What have you learned about the state of Iowa?

00:34:13.320 So there is the map that I sent over to you,

00:34:16.780 and that really just shows, you know,

00:34:18.480 the geographic representation of each candidate's support.

00:34:22.260 And it's important for a couple of reasons.

00:34:25.980 One, the campaign for Ron DeSantis clearly believes they have got to win the state of Iowa,

00:34:30.440 and they've put a lot of resources into it.

00:34:32.900 There's an article with Harry Enten out today on CNN that actually says,

00:34:36.240 New Hampshire is probably more fertile ground for the DeSantis campaign,

00:34:39.340 and Chris Christie seems to be the only one taking advantage of the moderates.

00:34:42.880 But here's the deal, Jack, where what we're finding in Iowa is what we're really finding everywhere,

00:34:47.740 which is, while Trump leads with conservatives, and Iowa caucuses are very conservative,

00:34:52.960 while he leads with very conservatives and evangelicals,

00:34:55.980 he's got a 30-plus point lead with Iowa evangelicals right now.

00:35:01.360 The truth is, nobody's beating with moderates either.

00:35:04.180 In the state of Iowa, working class, non-college, 0.99

00:35:07.540 Trump's lead is literally 66.7 to 14.

00:35:13.080 He leads among those who have some college or an associate degree by about 51 to 20.

00:35:19.520 He leads with those who have a bachelor's degree, 42 to 21.

00:35:23.240 And he is down one point with those who have a postgrad,

00:35:27.020 even though there are a ton of undecideds.

00:35:28.760 So it's actually very close.

00:35:30.380 This kind of marries what we're seeing nationwide then, isn't it?

00:35:33.520 It does.

00:35:33.800 It seems like the more college you have,

00:35:36.540 the higher your professional level, et cetera, and work,

00:35:40.380 that's more of your, and older, right?

00:35:42.900 And that's the DeSantis voter, at least in the primary.

00:35:45.900 But everybody else, it's Trump country.

00:35:48.360 Yeah, let's talk about where it is.

00:35:50.540 That's why these maps, I love these maps.

00:35:52.280 And you can always click on them, folks, if you go and check this map out later.

00:35:56.440 Give everyone the website, by the way.

00:35:58.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:59.140 If you go to locals, peoplespundit.locals.com, you'll find it.

00:36:02.380 And if you click on each of the dots on the map,

00:36:05.800 you'll find that that represents an interview.

00:36:07.640 And you can look through detailed demographic data and their responses.

00:36:12.140 And this really boils down to Trump is ahead everywhere, man.

00:36:15.720 He's killing it in Dubuque.

00:36:17.480 He's literally ahead like four and a half to one.

00:36:21.260 Only place DeSantis has measurable support is in Iowa City, right?

00:36:27.000 So we're talking about the professional class and educated voter.

00:36:31.080 Iowa City, and he's competitive in Ames.

00:36:34.220 The two are pretty much, you know, neck and neck in Ames.

00:36:38.520 But everywhere else, it's Trump country.

00:36:41.980 In Des Moines, Trump is thumping everybody.

00:36:44.800 And here's the thing with that professional class, Jack, that's important.

00:36:47.860 There aren't that many of them in a Republican primary, folks.

00:36:50.860 There's just not.

00:36:52.200 And then when you're looking at a place like Iowa City,

00:36:54.120 where there is a chance to carry it over the former president,

00:36:58.160 he's splitting these people with Tim Scott and even Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:37:02.860 So, you know, it's not like he's got some dominant lead with that group either.

00:37:07.020 He doesn't.

00:37:08.180 So there's just not enough.

00:37:10.760 How could I put this?

00:37:12.360 You know, Trump is eating the majority of the entree on the table.

00:37:16.900 And there just aren't enough of his left.

00:37:20.480 What's the top line?

00:37:21.460 Give me the top line number, Trump DeSantis.

00:37:24.060 Yeah, this is a Trump plus 30.

00:37:25.660 You know, it's going to be 51, 19.

00:37:28.160 So, yeah.

00:37:29.100 Trump plus 30, ballpark, you know.

00:37:30.820 So this is, you know, again, what we're seeing just about everywhere else.

00:37:36.180 These, and ironically, folks, when we tell you he's getting,

00:37:39.560 DeSantis is getting to 20% in Iowa, that means along with Florida,

00:37:44.040 it's one of his top states, or just below 20.

00:37:47.860 It's one of his top states.

00:37:49.900 You know, he spent money here in Florida.

00:37:52.060 He's obviously the governor, but he's struggling to get above 30 in Florida.

00:37:55.740 He's struggling to get above 20 in Iowa.

00:37:58.000 So it's the same story everywhere.

00:38:02.480 And it's just the path is so much brighter and easier for the former president.

00:38:08.200 You know, I see some of these things.

00:38:10.260 And I have to ask because this is, Iowa is a state where we know that they've targeted this.

00:38:17.020 We've heard it from the DeSantis camp.

00:38:18.700 This was going to be an area that they were looking at.

00:38:21.620 It's a state, by the way, where I do have a tiny bit of an insider perspective on it,

00:38:28.300 not just because I'm friends with Benny Johnson, who's from there, obviously,

00:38:31.280 but also people know this, that my wife, the Tanya Tay,

00:38:36.620 one of the places that she lived after she first came to the United States

00:38:40.900 was Davenport, Iowa, right?

00:38:42.860 They're in the quad cities.

00:38:44.460 That's right.

00:38:45.220 And she always told me that it goes from working class to rural.

00:38:50.180 There's a lot of farmers.

00:38:52.660 This is small town America.

00:38:54.800 And those people, and I remember she said it to me,

00:38:57.040 she said, I think those are the kind of people that are going to vote for Trump.

00:39:00.820 Like, I just, I don't see them going for anybody else.

00:39:04.420 There's a lot going on right now, too, in Iowa.

00:39:07.160 You know, it's changed so much even since 2016,

00:39:09.720 when Ted Cruz was able to edge out a small victory.

00:39:12.880 Now, mind you, I mean, the things we're hearing from the DeSantis campaign

00:39:16.020 are really, you know, stretching the boundaries of reality.

00:39:19.920 Ted Cruz, when he outperformed the polls to barely eke out a win against Trump

00:39:24.120 in the Iowa caucuses in 2016, he outperformed the polls by like seven points.

00:39:28.560 We're not talking about 30 points.

00:39:30.320 And he did it on the backs of evangelical, very conservative caucus goers out in western Iowa.

00:39:36.540 Trump actually did really well in the eastern city areas.

00:39:40.440 And now the problem anyone not named Trump has is that you have the DeSantis campaign

00:39:45.940 even trying to outflank Trump on abortion, outflank Trump on wokeism.

00:39:50.320 I was just listening to Raheem before I came on.

00:39:52.820 He was 100% correct.

00:39:54.480 Yet still, I mean, Trump dominates among evangelical caucus goers.

00:39:58.840 He has a 31 point lead with them.

00:40:00.560 So there's just, if you were to try to close that gap to become, you know, more conservative

00:40:08.360 than Trump on these issues, you're really going to hurt yourself going to a place like

00:40:13.200 New Hampshire.

00:40:13.880 So take that with, you know, take that into consideration when you're thinking about an

00:40:18.260 argument somebody like Harry Enten's making.

00:40:20.400 Well, that's true.

00:40:21.360 But Trump is kind, you know, that it's true that there are more, there's more fertile ground

00:40:24.860 with moderate Republicans that make a lot more money in a state like New Hampshire.

00:40:28.640 The problem is, Cruz ran into this problem in 16.

00:40:33.640 Trump is like conservative enough, like just conservative enough, and even more so now that

00:40:39.300 he was in 16, to win those votes that normally somebody would try to outflank you with, and

00:40:44.740 then still not step over the line that when you get to New Hampshire, and by the way, South

00:40:49.680 Carolina is more moderate than you would think when you get to New Hampshire, when you get

00:40:54.300 to South Carolina, you haven't isolated those voters.

00:40:57.200 And I think that is a major problem, and why some of these other voters who have been

00:41:02.520 looking around, you know, the sand has kind of stepped over the line for them, so now they're

00:41:06.960 looking at other people.

00:41:08.340 You know, Tim Scott, Vivek Muramaswamy, you know, and for a while, Mike Pence has just

00:41:12.580 completely collapsed.

00:41:13.900 I mean, Jack, wait until you see the crosstabs in this.

00:41:16.040 I just don't know where Mike Pence thinks he's going to win or compete.

00:41:20.020 I mean, this is absolutely, so many of these campaigns are just a joke, Jack.

00:41:26.080 They're just a joke.

00:41:27.840 I mean, they shed no business running for president.

00:41:30.160 I mean, we cannot even have people here.

00:41:31.580 Hey, hey, consultants are laughing all the way to the bank, man.

00:41:34.160 Consultants are laughing all the way to the bank.

00:41:36.320 They're kids.

00:41:37.120 We can't take the caviar out of the consultants' mouths, of the children's mouths.

00:41:42.300 We'll come up on a break.

00:41:43.340 Get more into this.

00:41:44.440 Richard Barris, after the break, Human Events continues.

00:41:48.100 We're giving you the inside story, the inside track of what's going on on the campaign trail.

00:41:53.280 When I grew up in the hood, I rolled with bloods, and them boys had a saying. 0.99

00:41:58.300 You can't be listening to all that slappy, whack, trim out his outlet, it's a bam, ship,

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00:42:07.860 All right, Jack Posobiec, back here with Richard Barris.

00:42:11.720 Rich, so, you know, you were talking about the collapse of Pence.

00:42:14.660 You were talking about how in other places there are other candidates that people are

00:42:18.840 taking a look at, like Tim Scott, like Nikki Haley, obviously both of them duking it out

00:42:23.820 for South Carolina.

00:42:25.740 But, you know, we find ourselves, and I, you know, Vivek Ramaswamy, of course, is racing

00:42:32.140 up in a lot of these polls.

00:42:33.640 Morning Consult, I think, has him only eight points behind DeSantis.

00:42:38.680 There was another, I think it was Echelon, who had him even closer than that recently.

00:42:42.640 But I've got to ask about this question of this sort of, you know, drama that, you know,

00:42:48.340 I find myself kind of close to, because we have this huge event, Turning Point Action,

00:42:51.960 this weekend, West Palm Beach.

00:42:53.960 And look, we invited all the presidential candidates.

00:42:57.300 And as of last night, I broke the story that Governor DeSantis will not be attending.

00:43:03.940 He has declined the invitation.

00:43:05.280 He's spoken at many of our events before.

00:43:07.820 I was in the room with Tanya when he spoke last year, main stage.

00:43:11.000 I mean, he was throwing hats out.

00:43:12.300 It was a great event.

00:43:12.980 He gave a great speech.

00:43:13.780 He gave a rousing speech.

00:43:14.640 He was very well received.

00:43:16.460 What are the optics here, though?

00:43:18.460 Because, look, I get it.

00:43:20.100 I'm biased.

00:43:20.640 I'm close to it.

00:43:21.340 But what do the optics, from a voter perspective, of not showing up at an event like this?

00:43:28.580 It looks weak.

00:43:30.100 I mean, this is not, listen, because there's, on the other side of this, you have a lot of

00:43:33.800 people attacking the former president for not showing up to Bob Vander Plaats' forum with

00:43:39.360 Tucker, right?

00:43:40.540 But we know that that particular person is pro-DeSantis.

00:43:47.540 There's no benefit.

00:43:49.160 Turning Point's very different.

00:43:50.120 It's a huge organization.

00:43:51.540 It's incredibly important when it comes to not only the current movement, but the future

00:43:55.980 of the movement.

00:43:56.980 It's been extremely influential.

00:43:59.080 To me, it really affirms what I even see in polling, which is, I tell you this all the

00:44:05.280 time, MAGA is much younger.

00:44:08.120 MAGA is much more diverse.

00:44:10.200 And if you can't stand up at a Turning Points event in your own state, then I just don't know

00:44:15.860 how you're going to handle the pressures of a presidency.

00:44:18.260 I mean, Jack, it's his own state.

00:44:20.740 It's his own backyard.

00:44:21.980 And this is the future of his party, supposedly.

00:44:25.120 And you're worried about them, Trump supporters, booing you?

00:44:28.680 I mean, never back down, right?

00:44:30.220 That's the mantra.

00:44:31.440 It looks bad.

00:44:32.640 So never back down, except for when there's a good reason.

00:44:37.200 And it's sometimes back down.

00:44:39.840 And then that turns into often back down.

00:44:42.780 It just looks bad.

00:44:43.740 Come on.

00:44:44.120 Let's be real.

00:44:45.920 Yeah.

00:44:46.460 I mean, that's the thing is, is, you know, and I've been at other Turning Point events

00:44:50.920 and I've talked to people even within the organization itself.

00:44:54.360 And, you know, there are just, I'll just say it, right?

00:44:58.240 There are people at Turning Point who support Trump.

00:45:00.980 There's also a lot of people who support DeSantis.

00:45:03.700 There is.

00:45:04.460 There are people that will be attending the event who have endorsed DeSantis.

00:45:08.980 There'll be people who are speaking that have endorsed DeSantis.

00:45:11.660 Vivek Ramaswamy would be there.

00:45:13.100 Suarez was driving up from Miami.

00:45:16.500 Asa Hutchinson.

00:45:17.780 Like, if Asa Hutchinson could show up, you know, the guy who's called for Trump to drop

00:45:22.100 out and this and that, I'm not even sure exactly why some of these people are in the race other

00:45:25.800 than serving donor interests.

00:45:27.020 That, you know, put it this way, though, the idea of anyone thinking that Turning Point

00:45:32.640 is some like, you know, Trump only type of forum, I think it's just a wrong view on Turning

00:45:39.520 Point.

00:45:39.820 And I say that someone who's attended a lot of Turning Point events that you do get a

00:45:44.480 lot of different people who attend these things.

00:45:47.720 And so I think I think it would have been a great forum.

00:45:50.280 Obviously, we would have loved to have the governor there.

00:45:52.580 We've always loved to have him in the past.

00:45:54.440 I, you know, I'll defer to Charlie as to future events and, you know, whether or not there'll

00:46:00.160 be like a Turning Point debate or something like that, as cool as that would be for some

00:46:04.520 of us to moderate, potentially, if anyone wants to throw their hats in the ring.

00:46:08.300 But but no, Rich, going forward, look, I think I think that next what we're going to see the

00:46:13.840 next round of is a round of headlines saying Ron DeSantis to reset campaign, Ron DeSantis

00:46:20.940 to resetting and, you know, maybe some personnel changes, staff changes, that type of thing.

00:46:27.960 And this was, by the way, this was something that Trump did as well in 2016.

00:46:31.120 A lot of staff turnover before he settled on Steve Bannon in 2016.

00:46:35.860 But let me ask you this, what what Governor DeSantis needs and since he's his you mentioned

00:46:42.620 Bob Vanderplatt, this is the Iowa forum, the family leader forum.

00:46:46.640 So he's going to be on stage with Tucker.

00:46:49.640 He needs a breakout moment at this thing on Friday.

00:46:53.600 Walk me through what is DeSantis need to do on that stage with Tucker?

00:46:57.800 This will be the main the centerpiece now, since Trump isn't also isn't going to that

00:47:01.840 because the way Bob Vanderplatt treated him, that he is now the centerpiece of this.

00:47:08.100 What does DeSantis have to do?

00:47:09.320 We've got about two and a half minutes left.

00:47:11.780 That's such a that's such a big question, Jack, because the truth is, I'm not sure what

00:47:16.440 he needs to do.

00:47:17.560 Everything that he needs to do is really in his power to do or, by the way, in his nature.

00:47:25.220 He's not connecting with people.

00:47:27.580 He's asking people based on a questionable record.

00:47:31.840 He did a lot of good things in Florida that conservatives like, but he's asking people

00:47:36.060 to pick his record as the governor of Florida.

00:47:39.200 Many of that the agenda he's running on was wiped out by liberal justices in the courts.

00:47:44.460 All the wokeism stuff, a lot of his, you know, the Disney fights, they've been overblown.

00:47:50.200 He's asking people to put that ahead of what they know they're going to get from Donald

00:47:57.080 Trump.

00:47:57.580 And then he would even need to change some of his positions when you get to places like

00:48:02.080 northern western Iowa.

00:48:03.640 Right.

00:48:03.980 You cannot have the economic policies of the old Bush wing of the Republican Party, which

00:48:09.420 he has.

00:48:10.220 Right.

00:48:10.480 So we actually spoke to several farmers in this poll who said, I did consider Ron DeSantis,

00:48:15.280 but then he made these comments about, you know, tariffs and trade and this was big for

00:48:20.860 me and I can't trust anybody but Donald Trump to deliver, you know, a very different kind

00:48:26.520 of Republican presidency like he had, like he gave us.

00:48:30.480 I just again, there has never been a debate moment or a forum moment, Jack, that has changed

00:48:37.800 the nature of a race, you know, like such as we see it right now.

00:48:41.740 You know, I think that honestly, and you know what, I'm going to skip saying that that's

00:48:45.600 like a billion dollar worth statement and I'm not going to make it for everybody to

00:48:49.040 freely try to take.

00:48:50.420 But generally, you know, speaking, he is, you know, going to have to be the benefactor of

00:48:58.100 a collapse.

00:48:58.940 And that's what he has always banked on.

00:49:01.060 And that's not going to come as of right now.

00:49:04.340 So I'm not sure there is much that he can do.

00:49:07.180 That's the, that's the, my honest answer, Jack, it really is.

00:49:10.800 It's my honest answer.

00:49:11.940 I just don't see it.

00:49:13.300 You know, and I appreciate it, Rich Barris.

00:49:15.860 Go follow Rich over at Locals.

00:49:17.680 You get more of his analysis.

00:49:19.580 And I'll just say for myself that, look, we all know how Tucker Carlson is.

00:49:24.660 He's not going to rake you over the coals, but he's going to make you answer questions

00:49:27.680 and he's going to be serious and he's going to hold you accountable to your statements.

00:49:30.900 And obviously the flip-flop on Ukraine is going to be something that certainly comes 0.67

00:49:35.520 out in this discussion, comes up in this discussion.

00:49:38.560 He's going to try to pin the governor down on what his stance is on Ukraine, on Russia

00:49:42.880 and all of this.

00:49:43.920 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay it short.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - July 11, 2023

EPISODE 514： ZELENSKY REJECTED BY NATO, TRUMP DOMINATES IN NEW POLL

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