Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 516： THE RECEIPTS - RAY EPPS LAWSUIT, CRIMINAL CHARGES AND CHRIS WRAY

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00:01:27.540 Christ is king.

00:01:29.080 Here's what the American people know and believe about the FBI today, sir.

00:01:33.180 If you are a Trump, you'll be prosecuted.

00:01:36.300 If you are a Biden, you'll be protected.

00:01:39.580 And he said, are you purchasing data from Americans through a broker, private information?

00:01:44.560 Is the FBI buying that?

00:01:46.040 And Director Wray said, I'll have to get back with you and give you an answer.

00:01:48.560 I need to give you a briefing on how that works.

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00:02:02.300 and senior State Department officials in an attempt to gain access to sensitive information.

00:02:07.440 I don't think Chris Wray is a leftist.

00:02:10.260 He's not a Democrat.

00:02:12.180 Chris is a company man.

00:02:13.920 Are you protecting the Bidens?

00:02:16.140 Absolutely not.

00:02:17.360 The FBI does not and has no interest in protecting anyone politically.

00:02:19.660 You won't answer the question about whether or not that's a shakedown.

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00:02:29.140 They're never going to abandon him.

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00:02:33.460 I don't care what Mueller does.

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00:02:35.760 I don't care what anybody does.

00:02:36.600 They're never going to abandon him.

00:02:37.880 You know why?

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00:02:50.540 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome on board today's edition of Human Events with Jack Posobiec.

00:02:57.360 Today is July 13th, 2023.

00:03:00.700 Anno Domini.

00:03:01.980 We're now coming to you live from the palatial West Palm Beach studios of Real America's Voice.

00:03:08.320 As far as I know, this is the first show that's being done from this new studio.

00:03:12.880 So thanks to Rob and Parker and all the guys who are here with us.

00:03:17.800 And I really wanted to appreciate it.

00:03:19.060 But we must respond to the insanity coming out of the Chris Ray. 0.56

00:03:24.820 There's these hearings that have been held.

00:03:26.980 The NATO summit where F-16s are now being promised to Ukraine.

00:03:32.240 Lavrov responding for the Russians.

00:03:33.880 No choice but to treat the F-16s in Ukraine as a nuclear threat.

00:03:40.020 And of course, Ray Epps suing the New York Times.

00:03:43.460 We've got to bring on the man.

00:03:44.780 We've got two minutes left in this segment.

00:03:46.120 We're going to keep him on.

00:03:47.200 Darren Beattie.

00:03:48.080 Darren, you know, we're seeing, and I've got to also ask you, by the way,

00:03:52.800 and not only all this news about Ray and everything,

00:03:56.820 but isn't it amazing that I posted this thing on Twitter last night.

00:04:01.160 The Washington Post, the New York Times, and Bloomberg are now referring to January 6th

00:04:06.640 as just rallies, demonstrations, and protests because they are on the side of defending Ray Epps.

00:04:13.660 It's truly amazing, isn't it?

00:04:16.360 It really is.

00:04:17.500 And that was an excellent observation.

00:04:19.000 We're actually doing a little blog write-up on that.

00:04:21.960 The observation was so good.

00:04:23.760 And, you know, it's absolutely right.

00:04:25.260 And you see it in a variety of contexts.

00:04:27.460 You notice these little subtle things.

00:04:29.080 For instance, the favorable reporting on Ray Epps, which comes from, of all places,

00:04:35.600 like New York Times and other legacy media outlets that haven't had a single nice or sympathetic thing

00:04:41.340 to say about any other January 6th participant, they call Ray Epps a Trump supporter.

00:04:47.820 Oh, he's just a Trump supporter.

00:04:49.300 Yeah, well, he's wearing a Trump hat.

00:04:51.560 You know, think about it.

00:04:52.320 Any other case, a guy like this wearing a Trump hat in subsequent footage, wearing military camo,

00:04:59.260 who is the former head of the Arizona chapter of the Oath Keepers, the most heavily prosecuted

00:05:05.120 and demonized militia group associated with January 6th.

00:05:08.660 And they're calling him a Trump supporter, even though he flew all the way to D.C. from Arizona ostensibly

00:05:15.240 to see Trump's speech, which he didn't even go to.

00:05:18.820 Instead, he thought it was a higher priority to direct people to the Capitol

00:05:22.960 and just magically be pre-positioned right there at the initial site where the west perimeter of the Capitol was breached.

00:05:31.240 It's absolutely incredible to see how the legacy media, New York Times, 60 Minutes, Adam Kinzinger,

00:05:40.220 the DOJ itself will bend over backwards to do the most remarkable gymnastic contortions imaginable

00:05:49.080 to defend this one specific individual who also happens to be the only guy caught on camera as early as January 5th.

00:05:58.040 Darren, hold it right there. We've got a quick break, quick break,

00:06:02.340 and then we're coming back with the long segment, and it's all yours because you, I can't wait to hear the response.

00:06:07.440 Stay tuned, folks. Human Events, right back.

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00:07:20.160 When we left, Darren, you were telling us,

00:07:24.600 and I think you were being, you know, a little bit nice.

00:07:27.140 I mean, just give it to me, man.

00:07:28.860 What do you really feel about how the media has protected Ray Epps?

00:07:33.720 Don't hold back.

00:07:36.100 Right.

00:07:36.780 Well, you know, it kind of speaks for itself.

00:07:39.860 It's very strange.

00:07:40.960 At one point, Ray Epps, whose behavior was considered so egregious

00:07:46.620 that he was one of the first 20 people put on the FBI's most wanted list for January 6th,

00:07:54.480 he was prominently featured in New York Times' own ominously titled

00:08:00.680 Day of Rage documentary series on January 6th.

00:08:04.620 And yet something weird happened.

00:08:08.000 Shortly after Revolver News created a national discussion about the possibility of federal

00:08:15.700 involvement in January 6th, Epps' name was quietly taken off the most wanted list.

00:08:23.460 And the New York Times, which had previously used Epps to reinforce its

00:08:29.680 really ridiculous notion that January 6th was this pre-planned insurrection,

00:08:37.460 has turned to writing fully dedicated puff pieces about Epps that don't ask any of the obvious

00:08:42.900 common sense questions that would strike a normal person when looking at the footage of Epps' behavior

00:08:49.540 and considering the context of the fact that he hasn't been charged with anything.

00:08:55.140 And so and then the full range of the media came to his defense.

00:08:59.040 And of course, as I mentioned, Adam Kinzinger, man who spends a lot of time on all fours,

00:09:03.620 who has never met a January 6th participant that he didn't want to see rotting in prison for less

00:09:10.940 than 50 years.

00:09:12.180 Adam Kinzinger, it comes out in the J6 committee's interrogation of Epps,

00:09:17.800 he more aggressively defends Epps than Epps' own lawyer.

00:09:22.980 So there's something very weird going on about it, not to mention just the cherry on top of unusual

00:09:34.060 bedfellows that Epps now enjoys is his own legal representation.

00:09:39.920 Epps is being represented by a man called Michael Tater,

00:09:42.740 who comes from deep within the bowels of the Democrat national security nexus machine.

00:09:49.880 He's an employee of the discredited and thoroughly disgraced Democrat hatchet man David Brock.

00:09:57.420 He's also a former employee of Perkins Coy, again, a disgraced law firm,

00:10:02.680 which could, I think, accurately be described as one of the laboratories out of which

00:10:08.080 the hoax Steele dossier was concocted.

00:10:11.760 These are the people coming to Epps' aid.

00:10:15.480 Epps, the former Oath Keeper, the head of the Arizona Oath Keeper militia group,

00:10:22.220 the guy in camo and a Trump hat telling people to go into the Capitol.

00:10:27.380 But this is the only person they're defending.

00:10:32.980 And so I'd love to get into some of the details of the defamation lawsuit that Epps people are

00:10:39.480 slapping Fox with and to share some of my initial analysis on this pretty remarkable development

00:10:47.640 in the Ray Epps saga.

00:10:49.460 Well, let me jump to a direct question that and I'll credit where it's due.

00:10:55.200 Julie Kelly actually pulled this out first, that there's a line deep within this defamation suit 1.00

00:11:01.640 against Fox News where it says Fox did not claim that Epps was an informant for a federal agency.

00:11:10.280 They claimed or implied that he was a federal agent.

00:11:15.380 Why are they using that very careful language and couching their statements in how they acclaim

00:11:24.360 that Fox referred to Epps?

00:11:26.660 And just for the record, as a guy who used to work in that community, there's many times

00:11:33.460 where an agent tasks someone to become an informant or a source or an unwitting subsource.

00:11:39.940 There's all sorts of levels of this.

00:11:41.640 Yet it seems that for Fox News in this, or I should say this lawsuit against Fox News,

00:11:45.740 they're being very careful as to what the specific claim is.

00:11:50.920 Well, yes, there are a lot of nuances there.

00:11:53.520 And Fed is kind of a colloquial term that, you know, is not incredibly precise.

00:11:59.680 As for my own position that I've articulated numerous times in talking about Epps is, you know,

00:12:07.060 I've always maintained I don't think he is a federal agent in the sense of being a regular

00:12:11.980 employee.

00:12:13.420 I think it's very possible that he doesn't even work directly for the federal government

00:12:19.680 in any sense.

00:12:21.160 Although he was leaning very heavily on this concept of law enforcement, denying being involved

00:12:26.020 in law enforcement, which leaves open a lot of possibilities, military intelligence, DHS,

00:12:31.640 a lot of other things, it could be a private cutout that's acting in some capacity at the

00:12:38.960 direction of a federal organization, or it could simply be a third party group.

00:12:44.060 The only thing that I've maintained is overwhelmingly likely, given the pattern of facts, is that

00:12:49.420 Ray Epps is being protected, and that I think it's overwhelmingly likely, given his behavior

00:12:57.500 and the inconsistencies in his statements, that he's not acting or that in my opinion, he

00:13:05.860 was acting in concert with some third party, and that he is being protected and defended by

00:13:12.720 unusual bedfellows, because he was acting on behalf of some third party that could be connected

00:13:20.080 with the federal government.

00:13:21.100 That's my opinion, and I think that's the most logical explanation of the fact pattern

00:13:28.660 we see.

00:13:29.460 As to the question of whether he's a federal agent, informant, and so forth, this is an

00:13:34.720 interesting thing to consider in light of defamation law as such.

00:13:40.700 Remember, this is a defamation claim, and we have a very, very important piece up right

00:13:45.360 now at revolver.news, which is our sort of first definitive pass on what's going on

00:13:51.060 here with the Fox suit.

00:13:52.100 Remember, this is a suit technically right now, just against Fox, even though I am named

00:14:00.180 prominently as the chief originator of Epps reporting, which I am, and proudly so, and

00:14:08.240 Tucker is, of course, thoroughly mentioned, neither Tucker nor myself nor Revolver News are

00:14:12.900 defendants in this claim.

00:14:14.180 It's just Fox.

00:14:15.420 I think they view Fox.

00:14:16.900 I should ask, do you expect to be?

00:14:19.200 Have you received any notification, anything like that?

00:14:22.940 Well, I know that in an initial volley, so to speak, from Epps's counsel that he demanded

00:14:29.680 that Tucker Carlson preserve his communications, assuming there are any communications with me

00:14:36.940 regarding this matter.

00:14:38.360 I've been prominently mentioned in all of these kind of legal proceedings, so I think it's overwhelmingly

00:14:45.740 likely that at some point they would go after me.

00:14:48.440 But the strategic question here is interesting because Fox News, as we know from the Dominion

00:14:54.280 settlement, is a soft target.

00:14:56.180 And Fox News, I think, will likely settle this case, not only because Tucker saw a target,

00:15:05.040 but because in settling this case, they are kind of indirectly reinforcing their own narrative

00:15:11.480 that Tucker was a liability, and therefore they were justified in firing him.

00:15:15.340 So it serves their interest in multiple ways.

00:15:19.160 And such a settlement would also allow regime journalists to incorrectly portray this issue

00:15:26.180 as a settled legal matter to say that, oh, this has been discredited in court, which it hasn't.

00:15:31.340 And of course, if Fox is willing to settle, which I think they will be, Fox won't play hardball

00:15:37.660 and demand discovery on the side of Epps, which could be a concern.

00:15:41.820 So there is a certain case to be made that they just want Fox and not go after Tucker and me.

00:15:48.400 But given the political hatchet men involved, given that his legal representation comes from David Brock,

00:15:55.520 it's not just about money.

00:15:57.280 Probably for Epps, it's about money, but for the people who are representing and helping him in this fashion,

00:16:04.020 it's about politically kneecapping Tucker Carlson and myself.

00:16:07.380 So I think it's quite likely that after they get a settlement from Fox,

00:16:12.740 they will come after Revolver News and Tucker Carlson separately.

00:16:18.340 And since, you know, the Alex Jones settlement, or I should say the Alex Jones case,

00:16:23.140 this has clearly been the favored tactic.

00:16:25.480 We've only got about a minute left.

00:16:26.800 I understand you have a hard out.

00:16:27.860 But I want to ask, just briefly, what is your reaction to this revelation buried deep within this

00:16:35.260 that apparently Epps is now facing charges?

00:16:38.860 Well, I don't know if that's accurate.

00:16:41.280 First of all, I find it remarkable, if it is true, that the DOJ did Ray Epps the courtesy

00:16:48.000 of notifying him in advance of a potential indictment.

00:16:51.440 I don't think that's a very typical procedure for January 6th defendants,

00:16:56.860 certainly not ones that meet the egregious standards that Ray Epps has.

00:17:02.760 Secondly, to my knowledge, he hasn't yet been charged.

00:17:06.220 So we'll have to see how that plays out.

00:17:08.500 If he is charged, I would say it's very suspicious timing.

00:17:12.160 Why wait two and a half years?

00:17:14.040 There's certainly an element of doing this in order to undermine the claims of Revolver and others,

00:17:20.600 that there might be something else going on.

00:17:22.420 I think it would just make it look more suspicious.

00:17:24.820 And it could be, if rumors are true, and I think there's some credibility to it,

00:17:29.360 that there's a forthcoming indictment of Trump for January 6th things, 0.69

00:17:33.600 they might be self-aware enough to know that it would look really ridiculous

00:17:38.620 to bend over backwards for a sham indictment of Trump

00:17:41.780 when someone like Ray Epps is walking without any indictment.

00:17:46.880 So those are my initial thoughts on that kind of buried leave within the legal complaint.

00:17:54.600 Well, Darren, I know you've got to run.

00:17:55.880 Everyone go follow Darren Beattie.

00:17:58.220 His reporting brought us to where we are today, revolver.news.

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00:18:04.760 Stay tuned.

00:18:05.180 We're going to go through all of this.

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00:19:37.700 So we've got up this case, this new lawsuit, Ray Epps.

00:19:43.120 But there's more than just that because this is going on also at the FBI.

00:19:46.820 The FBI and Chris Ray, they're up there at this hearing.

00:19:49.480 I got to say, I appreciate the enthusiasm of the committee to want to go after Chris

00:19:57.560 Ray, to want to hold him accountable and to want to go after the FBI.

00:20:01.640 But having the man simply sit there and answer questions isn't enough.

00:20:06.660 You must take deliberate action.

00:20:09.840 You must talk about cutting the FBI's budget or demanding radical changes within the FBI

00:20:17.280 before you will sign off on budget appropriations, before you go in for budget increases, salary

00:20:24.100 increases, promotions.

00:20:26.040 It's our look what Tuberville, look what Senator Tuberville is doing over there holding up flag

00:20:30.000 officer ranks for the U.S. military.

00:20:32.880 All right.

00:20:33.540 By himself, he has been able to show how one man can have that much of an effect.

00:20:40.380 And if I could say anything to the House GOP, I'd say, go and look at Tommy Tuberville energy

00:20:45.600 right there.

00:20:47.520 He might also be powered by blackout coffee.

00:20:49.520 Now that I think about it, when I see how much energy he has, I'm thinking that might

00:20:53.160 be some blackout coffee energy that Tommy Tuberville has.

00:20:56.380 But this is how you have to use command by negation.

00:21:00.800 You have to go to the FBI and say, look, we know we can't change your internal policies,

00:21:05.300 but we do control the purse strings. 0.88

00:21:07.260 And if you want to continue being funded, then you are going to make these specific changes.

00:21:12.260 You're also going to allow congressional investigators to get up in your grill.

00:21:18.840 I want congressional investigators to go in, go hire Kash Patel, go have him come in, Devin

00:21:26.080 Nunez, Derek Harvey, all these guys, get the entire squad back, get the entire squad

00:21:32.300 back and send them in there and have them actually crack open, give them the clearances,

00:21:37.260 whatever they need.

00:21:38.140 Have them go in there and have them just start pulling files. 0.71

00:21:41.080 Just start straight pulling files.

00:21:42.620 You say, oh, you don't like it.

00:21:43.960 Oh, you don't like it.

00:21:44.760 Well, guess what?

00:21:45.340 No money.

00:21:46.140 No money.

00:21:46.680 How about that?

00:21:47.280 You have to play hardball with these people.

00:21:49.480 And simply letting him up there to answer questions and then let him off the hook is

00:21:54.820 not good enough.

00:21:56.580 It's not enough.

00:21:57.360 It's good.

00:21:58.300 All right.

00:21:58.540 I'm not saying it's bad.

00:21:59.440 It is good.

00:22:00.180 But I'm saying I want to see more.

00:22:03.080 Now back to the question of Ray Epps.

00:22:06.480 They did actually ask him at one point about Ray Epps yesterday.

00:22:11.540 We've got the clip for you.

00:22:12.680 Let's play it.

00:22:13.700 Now look into the camera, sir.

00:22:15.300 When you answer my next question, are you going to arrest?

00:22:19.260 Mr. Epps, yes or no?

00:22:22.020 I'm not going to engage here in a discussion about individual people who are or are not

00:22:26.440 going to be prosecuted.

00:22:27.000 Can I get a commitment?

00:22:28.100 You just watched the video.

00:22:29.560 I'm an old law dog.

00:22:30.920 I understand a little bit about probable cause.

00:22:33.600 He did very little.

00:22:34.820 There was very little difference what he did.

00:22:36.640 And Mr. Streka, you can see him.

00:22:38.920 He's encouraging.

00:22:39.840 I almost think he's inciting a riot.

00:22:42.820 Chris Ray's packing fat loads, too.

00:22:45.040 I think Chris Ray probably packed a couple of fat loads before he went up on.

00:22:49.440 Hey, it's legal in D.C., right?

00:22:51.520 I think.

00:22:52.320 I actually don't know about that.

00:22:54.340 Chris, just remember, when the bag of cocaine is there, you're not supposed to huff the entire

00:22:59.460 thing at once, right?

00:23:00.560 Just FYI.

00:23:01.820 Probably ask some of your other agents.

00:23:03.800 They'll know about that.

00:23:04.980 Listen to this, though.

00:23:05.700 From the lawsuit.

00:23:09.800 Okay, so here's, that's what Chris Ray said about Ray Epps up there.

00:23:12.340 Are you going to arrest him?

00:23:12.940 He said I'm not going to engage in that.

00:23:14.260 Okay.

00:23:14.720 From the lawsuit.

00:23:15.600 In May 2023, the Department of Justice notified Epps that it would seek to charge him criminally

00:23:22.540 for events on January 6, 2021, two and a half years later.

00:23:27.380 The relentless attacks by Fox and Mr. Carlson, the resulting political pressure, likely resulted

00:23:32.400 in the criminal charges.

00:23:33.380 Although it is difficult to believe the Department of Justice would have pursued this matter if

00:23:37.440 Fox had not focused on its lies on Epps, again, I'm reading from the lawsuit, ultimately

00:23:42.560 the criminal charges conclusively demonstrated the falsehood of the story that Mr. Carlson

00:23:46.880 and Fox told about Epps.

00:23:48.220 So, it's interesting to me that the criminal charge, the DOJ is using the criminal charges

00:23:57.520 on Epps to give their lawyers an out to say, well, he couldn't possibly have been a Fed.

00:24:05.280 Why, look, we are charging him.

00:24:08.480 So, if we're charging him, he couldn't possibly be a Fed.

00:24:10.640 Look, do you know what happens?

00:24:13.400 And I'm not going to say this about Ray Epps directly, but do you know what happens

00:24:17.380 any time you want to insert a confidential informant into an organization?

00:24:22.980 What's the very first thing you do?

00:24:25.100 The very first thing you do when you're inserting a confidential informant into an organization

00:24:32.200 is you arrest them.

00:24:34.080 Of course you arrest them.

00:24:35.720 You arrest them.

00:24:36.720 You make sure that everybody around sees it, and then you bring him in, then you talk to

00:24:40.980 him for a while, you ask him how he's doing, you ask him if he got any information for you,

00:24:45.020 you ask him what's going on, and then you send him back out.

00:24:48.000 So, that's the very first thing you do.

00:24:49.880 Why?

00:24:50.520 To establish credibility.

00:24:52.900 You want to establish the credibility.

00:24:55.860 Now, obviously, that isn't the case.

00:25:00.840 But look, I've said this every time that I watch that footage, you know, and I bring it

00:25:04.320 up and down again when I talk about Ray Epps.

00:25:06.340 I'll just say it again.

00:25:06.980 I was there January 5th, 2020, in Freedom Square the night before.

00:25:14.940 This is the night when he was telling people, going around Freedom Square, telling people,

00:25:18.940 I actually spoke, right?

00:25:20.040 So, you can see me on stage speaking at the event.

00:25:22.680 I spoke predominantly about the Chinese Communist Party, Xi Jinping, did my, you know, speaking

00:25:27.560 in Mandarin gimmick.

00:25:29.020 And then I remember hearing people chanting, fed, fed, fed, fed, fed, all right?

00:25:34.740 And I could see a guy with, like, a tan, like, a large, like, military-style jacket, but no

00:25:40.280 clue what was going on, other side of the square, basically.

00:25:44.340 So, that goes on.

00:25:45.260 I don't think anything of it.

00:25:47.080 Then, the very next day, what I saw on January 6th at the Capitol, I've talked about before

00:25:58.280 how Raheem Kassam and I were walking down the hill.

00:26:01.160 We heard the initial flashbangs.

00:26:04.740 Then, when we got closer, what did we see?

00:26:08.880 I saw people.

00:26:09.960 So, I saw the scaffold commander.

00:26:11.980 I saw people on top of the, you know, on top of the wall, standing there at the barrister,

00:26:19.120 looking down, banister.

00:26:21.600 And then, I remember seeing these people with megaphones and people with ponchos and green

00:26:31.640 ponchos yelling to the crowd.

00:26:34.100 They weren't going in.

00:26:34.840 They were talking to the crowd.

00:26:36.040 They were specifically there working in concert, an organized group of people to urge people

00:26:42.920 to go into the Capitol.

00:26:44.760 They were saying, you got to go in.

00:26:46.780 Your enemy's in there, not out here.

00:26:48.600 You got to go in.

00:26:49.480 You made it this far.

00:26:50.880 Don't stop here.

00:26:51.700 Don't go.

00:26:51.940 And 99.9% of the crowd, and I remember seeing this middle-aged couple with, they're wearing 0.76

00:26:59.880 MAGA hats.

00:27:00.840 They're carrying little American flags, waving it around.

00:27:03.760 And this guy's screaming in their face to go in, go in.

00:27:06.540 And they had no intention to go in.

00:27:10.960 They were so confused.

00:27:12.640 They were saying, and you could see it on their faces, this idea that they had come to

00:27:16.860 protest the government for a redress of grievances.

00:27:20.140 First Amendment right, by the way.

00:27:21.580 First Amendment right.

00:27:23.480 They were there to participate in the rally that President Trump had held at the Ellipse.

00:27:28.880 Okay, so this is after the Ellipse.

00:27:31.540 And there was another rally that was going to take place on the other side of the Capitol,

00:27:37.100 directly outside the Supreme Court, which was permitted that day, by the way, permitted

00:27:42.940 on the back of the Capitol building.

00:27:46.740 And I'll never forget what I saw that day.

00:27:48.520 And I went on War Room the next day, or maybe even been that afternoon.

00:27:52.400 And I said, look, I saw agitators.

00:27:56.600 And I remember in those first 24 hours, people kept saying, Jack, was it Antifa?

00:28:00.900 Poso, was it Antifa?

00:28:02.220 We know it was Antifa.

00:28:03.160 It must have been Antifa.

00:28:04.240 And I said, look, I don't have any evidence that it was Antifa.

00:28:07.180 They certainly weren't dressed like Antifa.

00:28:10.200 But they were agitators of a certain sort.

00:28:15.940 And then we find out later on, and this has come out publicly, that we know there have

00:28:21.620 been multiple federal informants that were in the crowd.

00:28:24.500 So as to the very fine question, and the very specific question, was Ray Epps a Fed, as Darren

00:28:34.640 Beattie told you, that doesn't necessarily mean he was on the payroll of the federal government

00:28:40.220 and working as an 1811 special agent.

00:28:43.840 Now, 1811, that's Secret Service, NCIS, FBI.

00:28:48.840 That doesn't necessarily mean that.

00:28:50.360 But was he being run by a federal agency of some sort?

00:28:56.700 And when I say run, I mean handled.

00:28:59.500 Was he being handled?

00:29:00.500 Was somebody whispering into him?

00:29:02.100 Go read the text messages from the Michigan militia plot that were leaked from their FBI

00:29:09.940 handler who was telling them, get as many people into the van as you can.

00:29:14.680 Have as many people show up for the van ride.

00:29:17.880 You got to get him in the van ride.

00:29:19.960 And then what did they do?

00:29:21.820 They went to DOJ and they said that the van ride was an action taken to perform surveillance

00:29:28.960 of Governor Wittner's summer home, this cabin.

00:29:33.320 And everyone who was in the van was in charge of the crime.

00:29:40.520 So the question is, what if that person then went and talked to somebody else and said,

00:29:47.160 oh, here's what we have to do?

00:29:49.180 Well, is he saying that or is he saying that because he wants to get someone set up for a

00:29:54.820 federal prosecution?

00:29:55.940 This is known, by the way, in online as Fed posting.

00:30:00.620 No Fed posting around here, folks.

00:30:03.160 No Fed posting.

00:30:05.340 But it's very interesting to me that Ray Epps stated in this lawsuit, or his lawyer stated

00:30:14.220 on his behalf, that he wasn't a federal agent.

00:30:19.120 But they said it doesn't matter if he was an informant.

00:30:21.680 They specifically walk away and try to defuse the claim, preemptively defuse the claim about

00:30:30.340 being an informant.

00:30:32.060 Something smells rotten here, folks.

00:30:34.940 Absolutely rotten. 0.51

00:30:36.900 I'm buzzing in my ear about the boring people at your office.

00:30:40.020 I'm trying to listen to the new human events with Jack Pozovic.

00:30:45.100 Okay, look, so over the break, I'm getting the producers, they're blowing me up.

00:30:48.540 They're saying, Jack, you can't say packing fat loads.

00:30:50.760 You can't say that.

00:30:52.220 You can't talk about that on air.

00:30:53.680 You can't bring that up.

00:30:54.380 I said, why not?

00:30:55.420 I said, I was packing fat loads.

00:30:58.160 No, no, no, not of that stuff.

00:31:02.440 Not like Hunter Biden.

00:31:03.880 I'm talking about coffee.

00:31:05.220 I'm packing fat loads of coffee.

00:31:07.660 I'm saying when I go to my coffee machine, I reach for my blackout coffee, whether it's

00:31:12.560 the extreme, brutal awakening, whichever one it is.

00:31:16.860 Then I go in, I load it up.

00:31:19.120 I'm like, I'm like, I'm like six scoops, right?

00:31:21.900 Six, you know, like tablespoons, right?

00:31:24.620 So six spoons.

00:31:25.860 And it's, you know, sometimes, sometimes if I'm feeling like a little, you know, I was

00:31:29.140 feeling like a little bit like, ah, to wake up early, got a flight or something.

00:31:32.040 I might pack a fat load.

00:31:33.920 Talking about I'm packing fat loads.

00:31:35.560 You say, you can't say it on TV.

00:31:36.560 Kits up.

00:31:37.040 I've said it.

00:31:37.900 What are you going to do about it?

00:31:39.300 I said it.

00:31:40.040 What are you going to do about it?

00:31:41.100 But folks, when it comes to this idea of Ray Epps, I think people have potentially

00:31:52.200 and Tucker, to my knowledge, has not yet responded to this.

00:31:55.440 Now, he'll be appearing tomorrow at the Iowa Freedom Leader Presidential Forum.

00:32:01.940 And we know he'll be the moderator of that.

00:32:05.900 And it would be very interesting to me to see, will Tucker ask questions of January 6th

00:32:12.580 to the presidential candidates that are going to be up on that stage?

00:32:16.160 So we know Governor DeSantis will be there.

00:32:18.260 I believe Tim Scott will be there.

00:32:20.080 Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, basically all the main candidates other than the actual front

00:32:27.900 runner, President Trump himself.

00:32:29.580 Also, I announced on Twitter this morning, I'll say it for you guys here, that I will

00:32:35.840 also be appearing at the Iowa Family Leader Presidential Forum.

00:32:41.600 I'm going to be doing some commentary, some analysis live on the stream with the Blaze.

00:32:48.320 So I'll be there and rip air.

00:32:50.960 And so I'm flying here from Palm Beach to do that.

00:32:53.840 Then I'm going to fly back for the remainder of America.

00:32:57.760 Excuse me, not AmericaFest.

00:32:59.020 AmericaFest is later in the year.

00:33:00.440 I'm so excited for AmericaFest.

00:33:01.640 I keep talking about it.

00:33:02.420 But that will be coming up in December.

00:33:04.600 No, this is Turning Point At Con.

00:33:07.160 And so we're down here at the convention center.

00:33:08.920 We have the Thought Crime show that's later tonight.

00:33:11.440 So I'll be on main stage for that with, and I think, I don't know, this has been announced

00:33:16.740 yet.

00:33:17.020 I didn't actually see if Charlie said it publicly.

00:33:18.940 So I'm going to just say it.

00:33:20.900 I'm going to just say it.

00:33:23.320 Tonight, we have a special guest on Thought Crime, Mr. James Lindsay.

00:33:27.640 Dr. James Lindsay will be joining us for Thought Crime.

00:33:31.380 So, boom, rocking that out.

00:33:34.020 Folks, let me get back to the issue with Ray Epps.

00:33:39.400 And here's what I think that Darren Beatty said earlier that's going to happen.

00:33:43.660 You have to understand that President Trump is being faced with 45 potential counts in the

00:33:53.920 January 6th grand jury.

00:33:56.700 Jack Smith, the special prosecutor, has a grand jury that is currently meeting separate from

00:34:03.400 the one down the street from me here in Miami.

00:34:05.800 Separate from that one, there's going to be another, right?

00:34:10.140 There's going to be another grand jury in Washington, D.C.

00:34:14.880 Now, down here in Southern Florida, you can pull a jury together, and if you get those

00:34:19.980 12 members of the jury, there's a very good chance that you'll get a Trump supporter there.

00:34:25.980 Trump is blowing it out in Miami-Dade.

00:34:28.780 Trump has those base Cubans.

00:34:32.780 Remember?

00:34:34.680 Cubanos Basados.

00:34:35.640 If you get them on the jury, at least one, one or two, you're solid.

00:34:41.600 But in Washington, D.C., Jack Smith knows that's not the case.

00:34:46.820 Because, look, I've sat in trial after trial in D.C., whether it's Paul Manafort, Steve

00:34:52.600 Bannon, Roger Stone, General Flynn, George Papadopoulos.

00:34:57.200 Because they want, by the way, Julian Assange to be there, you know that that jury is going

00:35:06.520 to be a bunch of libs.

00:35:08.060 It's going to be hardline, politicized, liberal, left-wingers, people who watch CNN, MSNBC,

00:35:15.420 that read the New York Times, that read CNN.

00:35:17.800 That is it.

00:35:18.700 That's the only place, or read Washington Post, that's the only place they get their news.

00:35:23.220 That's their entire worldview.

00:35:24.480 They do not step out of it.

00:35:26.320 Why is Smith doing this?

00:35:28.560 So here's the trick.

00:35:30.720 The trick is, if they can put charges on Epps, what they'll do is they'll say that Epps and

00:35:39.600 the Proud Boys and Stuart Rhodes and the Oath Keepers and all of these various entities on

00:35:48.500 January 6th committed actions that constitute an insurrection.

00:35:55.520 And the reason they'll call it an insurrection is very simple, because they want to charge

00:36:02.500 President Trump with seditious conspiracy.

00:36:06.800 And by charging him with seditious conspiracy, if they can get this conviction, this is why

00:36:12.980 I walked you through the jury pool.

00:36:14.120 It's so important to understand the jury pool, because the jury pool is what determines the

00:36:19.600 outcome, ultimately, not the judge.

00:36:21.920 Okay, it's called voir dire, et cetera.

00:36:23.580 But if it's all liberals, then voir dire doesn't really matter.

00:36:26.420 So voir dire matters a lot in the Miami case.

00:36:29.080 But in DC, honestly, I'm just going to say it, it doesn't matter as much.

00:36:33.680 The jury selection process, voir dire.

00:36:35.380 So what do you do?

00:36:38.240 Well, if you're Jack Smith, and you're the Democrats, and you're the Biden administration,

00:36:43.280 the Biden DOJ, what do you do?

00:36:45.560 You've got to charge a bunch of low level people, and then work your way up to the mastermind,

00:36:52.760 work your way up to the top, work your way up to Tony Soprano himself, right?

00:36:59.560 Remember, it's their worldview.

00:37:00.700 This is the New York Times worldview.

00:37:04.220 And they want to charge Trump with seditious conspiracy, which as we've laid out on the

00:37:09.400 program, and I think I'm the only person on the right who's actually said this, the reason

00:37:13.720 they want to charge him with seditious conspiracy is so that it will trigger the disqualification

00:37:19.700 clause of the 14th Amendment and disqualify him for holding future federal office.

00:37:27.620 Now, more people have been talking about this, and I appreciate that.

00:37:30.700 But that's going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court better

00:37:36.400 rule properly on this.

00:37:38.300 And so what they're attempting to do is push all this forward before the election.

00:37:43.620 Now, if you go down and look at what President Trump's lawyers have done with the Eileen Cannon

00:37:48.740 case, that's the one that's down, the classified documents case down at Mar-a-Lago, which honestly

00:37:54.640 should actually be called the Mar-a-Lago case.

00:37:56.480 Because remember, we don't know if these are classified documents.

00:38:00.440 His defense all along has been that they were declassified, and his actions under the

00:38:07.180 Presidential Records Act of taking those documents, signing off on them to be sent to Mar-a-Lago

00:38:14.380 was a de facto act of declassification and a de facto recognition of those documents and

00:38:22.600 items and mementos and whatever else he took when he packed up the Oval Office that were

00:38:27.900 then sent down to Mar-a-Lago was completely legal because he owns those documents.

00:38:33.440 He possesses them under the Presidential Records Act.

00:38:36.220 So what they're trying to do now, the lawyers, and I think they should do this, and I think

00:38:41.680 it's right, they've now positioned and petitioned the judge to push back that trial to 2025.

00:38:50.320 They need to push that election until after, or excuse me, they need to push that trial until

00:38:56.720 after the election.

00:38:59.060 Why?

00:38:59.920 Because these charges never should have been brought in the middle of an election.

00:39:04.040 I mean, think about, just think of the logistics.

00:39:07.920 He's going to be running for office.

00:39:11.120 The Iowa caucuses will be going on while he's on trial.

00:39:15.320 And Maggie Haberman's up there when they put her on CNN saying, oh, well, yeah, think of

00:39:19.920 it.

00:39:20.220 The Iowa caucus voters will be arriving, and the caucus goers will be there at the same

00:39:26.000 time.

00:39:26.780 He'll, you know, Trump won't be in Iowa.

00:39:28.680 He'll be down in Miami.

00:39:29.840 He'll be facing lawyers.

00:39:31.100 He'll be facing witnesses.

00:39:32.180 He'll be facing testimony.

00:39:34.780 She's given away the secrets. 0.98

00:39:37.880 She's given away the entire playbook.

00:39:40.940 She said, Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, Mags.

00:39:45.580 You say on the quiet part out loud, you're trying to rig the election, or at least they're

00:39:52.040 trying to rig the election.

00:39:53.100 I'm not saying Maggie is.

00:39:54.000 But they're trying to rig the election by holding the trial concurrently with the primaries.

00:40:05.100 Because they've seen the polls.

00:40:06.400 We've all seen the polls.

00:40:07.780 Not only is Trump demolishing every single other Republican challenger, but go look at

00:40:15.140 the swing state polls that are dropping today.

00:40:16.920 He's up in swing state after swing state after swing state across the country, tied in Michigan.

00:40:26.600 And so they know the only thing they have left is their ability to use the courts.

00:40:35.520 They're going straight to the legal process.

00:40:37.560 They're going straight to the courts.

00:40:39.300 This is how they're trying to stop the resurgence and the return of Donald Trump and the populist

00:40:46.220 nationalist MAGA movement into the power halls of Washington, D.C.

00:40:51.560 They know that if they can just get enough people to push harder on this, enough people

00:40:58.140 to flip, then they can win.

00:41:00.680 Stay tuned.

00:41:00.980 We'll go through this more.

00:41:02.120 Human Events continues.

00:41:05.380 When I grew up in the hood, I rolled with bloods. 0.99

00:41:08.320 And them boys had a saying.

00:41:10.460 You can't be listening to all that slappy whack, trimatozolitzabam ship, nippy bam bam,

00:41:15.880 like Human Events with Jack Posobiec.

00:41:19.840 Okay, we're back.

00:41:20.680 We're very excited to have joining us here for the final segment of Human Events.

00:41:24.460 We've got Will Scharf.

00:41:25.500 He's a candidate for Missouri Attorney General.

00:41:28.620 Just came off of a huge event up there in Missouri with Senator Josh Hawley and others

00:41:34.380 who were there.

00:41:35.420 Will, I've got to get your thoughts on this, by the way, this idea.

00:41:38.680 And I know you've been outspoken to it as well.

00:41:40.640 The timing of this trial.

00:41:43.340 Do you agree with my thesis?

00:41:45.360 Does it seem like they actually want this trial to be running as the votes are being

00:41:50.480 cast?

00:41:50.980 Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what Jack Smith, the special counsel's plan, clearly was all

00:41:57.820 along, that they wanted this trial to kick off in December, which just thinking about

00:42:03.020 the timeline would probably make that trial run into January as voters are literally going

00:42:08.960 to the polls in Iowa and elsewhere.

00:42:10.680 At the end of the day, this is a complicated case.

00:42:14.020 It's a complicated case legally, as you were saying before the break, in terms of the intersection

00:42:19.060 of the Presidential Records Act and the Espionage Act.

00:42:22.300 It's also a complicated case factually.

00:42:24.620 Discovery in this case, the unclassified portions of discovery that have already been turned over

00:42:29.780 amount to over 800,000 pages of documents, terabytes and terabytes of video recordings and

00:42:36.640 other data, the idea that any defendant, much less a guy like Trump, who's out campaigning

00:42:42.080 to be president, could be prepared for trial in just a couple months.

00:42:46.100 It's insane.

00:42:46.980 I think Jack Smith is gaslighting the court and gaslighting really the United States of

00:42:52.660 America with the way that he's behaved and the filings that his team has already made in

00:42:58.240 this case.

00:42:58.820 And I think President Trump's move to get this pushed until after the election makes sense

00:43:04.180 legally, makes sense factually, it was the right move for his legal team.

00:43:08.440 And my guess is they'll be successful with it.

00:43:12.260 So this idea then that, you know, she will be able to, the judge there, I think Cannon

00:43:19.260 will be able to push that off.

00:43:21.460 Just take the politics out of it for a second, right?

00:43:24.500 And I think most people, even moderates, hopefully, would be able to agree that this isn't the

00:43:30.260 sort of thing that we usually do during a presidential election.

00:43:34.060 But just in a normal case, when you, let's say that this was, this wasn't President Trump,

00:43:39.400 that it was somebody else.

00:43:41.140 When you have this much volume of data, this many terabytes of video, is this normal, this

00:43:48.160 timeline that they're setting out right now?

00:43:50.460 Or is this aggressive?

00:43:51.980 No, there's, there's nothing normal about it.

00:43:53.940 I mean, when Jack Smith announced charges in this case, he tried to push to have a trial

00:43:59.320 even earlier than this.

00:44:00.900 There's just no physical way for Trump's defense team to review the discovery materials that

00:44:05.780 have been turned over to them in the time that Smith and his team have, have, have pushed

00:44:11.200 the court.

00:44:11.860 It's, it's crazy.

00:44:13.060 I mean, you know, I was a prosecutor.

00:44:14.600 I did violent crime work here in St.

00:44:16.260 Louis.

00:44:16.940 I had pretty simple carjackings and bank robberies take way more time to get to trial than, than

00:44:22.860 in this case, without any of the stakes, without any of the public issues, without any of the

00:44:27.640 real legal arguments that are going to have to play out both at the trial court stage and

00:44:32.580 probably on appeal as well.

00:44:34.360 So again, I think this is Jack Smith being really disingenuous with the way he's handling

00:44:40.060 this case, both in terms of scheduling and also just in terms of his team's public statements

00:44:45.640 about the nature and complexity of the case.

00:44:47.960 Well, and, and when I look at some of this too, and, and keep in mind, this is something

00:44:53.580 that publicly we've not been able to see any of these videos.

00:44:56.760 We've haven't, haven't had time to look at this.

00:44:58.520 We were talking about, you know, January 6, um, earlier in the program.

00:45:02.740 And that's the case where we've seen some of the closed circuit videos, but even that

00:45:08.040 has been almost like pulling teeth from Congress.

00:45:11.600 When it comes to this one, we've not seen any of these videos.

00:45:14.780 And yet they're, you're charging Will Nauta and some of these staffers say, oh, he, he

00:45:19.200 moved the box from this building to this building.

00:45:22.040 And, but they don't, and then they had redacted in the affidavit that when he was moving the

00:45:26.820 boxes around, he was being escorted by the secret service as they were executing the subpoena

00:45:33.560 that had been handed down.

00:45:35.160 I mean, it, it, it speaks to what you say about this gaslighting, because when they finally

00:45:39.360 get the redactions out, you see, well, suddenly it's like, oh, they weren't complying.

00:45:43.540 Actually, they were complying and the secret service was helping them comply.

00:45:46.960 So when, when you talk about this gaslighting from a prosecutorial standpoint, is that something

00:45:52.140 that we're not used to seeing, or is this the same type of tactic that you would, uh,

00:45:56.260 that you would consider Jack Smith to use on other cases?

00:45:59.260 Well, and look, it, it goes beyond even what you're saying, Jack, that when you look at

00:46:03.360 what Jack Smith's team has been doing, we've seen a steady stream of leaks that I would assume

00:46:08.540 come from people on his team about, you know, these recordings of Trump talking about documents

00:46:13.920 and other aspects of the case.

00:46:16.260 And when you dig down, they're trying to establish a public narrative.

00:46:19.980 They're trying to shape their jury pool in a way that's totally antithetical, uh, to the

00:46:25.200 way that prosecutors are trained to bring cases.

00:46:27.780 Uh, they're playing to the public.

00:46:29.440 They're playing to the mainstream media peanut gallery instead of letting their legal arguments,

00:46:34.200 uh, just carry their own weight in court.

00:46:36.900 And I think the reason for that is that they know that there are serious legal deficiencies

00:46:41.140 as well as fat deficiencies with a case that they've brought.

00:46:46.120 And they're scared of losing the whole thing, uh, if they play this fairly.

00:46:49.780 And that's why we're seeing the sort of, uh, dirty, uh, dirty tactics that we've already

00:46:54.100 seen from Jack Smith and his team.

00:46:57.640 Well, I know you've got to run.

00:46:58.880 We've only got a bit of a minute left here.

00:47:00.900 Um, incredible legal analysis.

00:47:02.940 Missouri, obviously, uh, if you're successful, I think would be well-served to have you as

00:47:07.420 the attorney general, where can people go to follow you and get more information about

00:47:11.320 the campaign?

00:47:12.580 Sure.

00:47:13.120 You can find me on Twitter, uh, Facebook, Instagram, truth, social, just at will Scharf.

00:47:18.440 And our website is www.votescharf.com.

00:47:22.220 Really appreciate you having me on Jack.

00:47:25.060 Thank you.

00:47:25.680 Well, no, I appreciate that folks.

00:47:27.140 That is the legal analysis that you need.

00:47:29.820 And look, let me bring this back around.

00:47:31.540 And we played a clip of Rush Limbaugh at the top of the show today saying that I, now he's

00:47:38.700 talking about Mueller and he said, I don't care what Mueller does to Trump.

00:47:43.460 The people that voted for him are not going to leave him.

00:47:47.880 And why?

00:47:49.020 And Rush explained it in the way that only Rush can, because Rush understood the people.

00:47:56.540 That's what made Rush tick for as much as Rush talked, right?

00:48:01.940 You know, he talked for, uh, three hours a day, five days a week.

00:48:05.820 He listened.

00:48:07.300 He listened to the people.

00:48:08.720 And he said, they view Donald Trump as their man fighting back against the crooked establishment

00:48:15.580 for them.

00:48:16.680 And they are never going to leave him, no matter what Mueller does.

00:48:21.120 I think that's the same thing you're seeing here.

00:48:23.620 With each act of transparent aggression, Trump's base only becomes more committed.

00:48:31.180 This is why, and you see all the headlines out there, uh, donor sour on DeSantis.

00:48:35.440 DeSantis needs a reset.

00:48:37.580 DeSantis going out to the Hamptons to huddle with donors, et cetera, et cetera.

00:48:40.880 But it has not, it, that's part of it, but you're also missing the bigger picture.

00:48:46.480 What is the appeal of Trump?

00:48:48.920 Why did he win in 2016?

00:48:51.440 And I'll say this again, folks, they don't look at Trump as a candidate.

00:48:55.380 They look at him as a murder weapon.

00:48:58.160 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - July 13, 2023

EPISODE 516： THE RECEIPTS - RAY EPPS LAWSUIT, CRIMINAL CHARGES AND CHRIS WRAY

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