EPISODE 516： THE RECEIPTS - RAY EPPS LAWSUIT, CRIMINAL CHARGES AND CHRIS WRAY
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Rob and Parker are joined by Darren Beattie to discuss Ray Epps' lawsuit against the New York Times, the FBI's handling of the Chris Wray hearing, and much, much more! Jack Posobiec is the host of the show Human Events.
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome on board today's edition of Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
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We're now coming to you live from the palatial West Palm Beach studios of Real America's Voice.
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As far as I know, this is the first show that's being done from this new studio.
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So thanks to Rob and Parker and all the guys who are here with us.
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But we must respond to the insanity coming out of the Chris Ray.
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The NATO summit where F-16s are now being promised to Ukraine.
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No choice but to treat the F-16s in Ukraine as a nuclear threat.
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And of course, Ray Epps suing the New York Times.
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Darren, you know, we're seeing, and I've got to also ask you, by the way,
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and not only all this news about Ray and everything,
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but isn't it amazing that I posted this thing on Twitter last night.
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The Washington Post, the New York Times, and Bloomberg are now referring to January 6th
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as just rallies, demonstrations, and protests because they are on the side of defending Ray Epps.
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We're actually doing a little blog write-up on that.
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For instance, the favorable reporting on Ray Epps, which comes from, of all places,
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like New York Times and other legacy media outlets that haven't had a single nice or sympathetic thing
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to say about any other January 6th participant, they call Ray Epps a Trump supporter.
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Any other case, a guy like this wearing a Trump hat in subsequent footage, wearing military camo,
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who is the former head of the Arizona chapter of the Oath Keepers, the most heavily prosecuted
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and demonized militia group associated with January 6th.
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And they're calling him a Trump supporter, even though he flew all the way to D.C. from Arizona ostensibly
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to see Trump's speech, which he didn't even go to.
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Instead, he thought it was a higher priority to direct people to the Capitol
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and just magically be pre-positioned right there at the initial site where the west perimeter of the Capitol was breached.
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It's absolutely incredible to see how the legacy media, New York Times, 60 Minutes, Adam Kinzinger,
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the DOJ itself will bend over backwards to do the most remarkable gymnastic contortions imaginable
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to defend this one specific individual who also happens to be the only guy caught on camera as early as January 5th.
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Darren, hold it right there. We've got a quick break, quick break,
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and then we're coming back with the long segment, and it's all yours because you, I can't wait to hear the response.
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What do you really feel about how the media has protected Ray Epps?
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At one point, Ray Epps, whose behavior was considered so egregious
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that he was one of the first 20 people put on the FBI's most wanted list for January 6th,
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he was prominently featured in New York Times' own ominously titled
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Shortly after Revolver News created a national discussion about the possibility of federal
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involvement in January 6th, Epps' name was quietly taken off the most wanted list.
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And the New York Times, which had previously used Epps to reinforce its
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really ridiculous notion that January 6th was this pre-planned insurrection,
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has turned to writing fully dedicated puff pieces about Epps that don't ask any of the obvious
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common sense questions that would strike a normal person when looking at the footage of Epps' behavior
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and considering the context of the fact that he hasn't been charged with anything.
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And so and then the full range of the media came to his defense.
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And of course, as I mentioned, Adam Kinzinger, man who spends a lot of time on all fours,
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who has never met a January 6th participant that he didn't want to see rotting in prison for less
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Adam Kinzinger, it comes out in the J6 committee's interrogation of Epps,
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he more aggressively defends Epps than Epps' own lawyer.
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So there's something very weird going on about it, not to mention just the cherry on top of unusual
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bedfellows that Epps now enjoys is his own legal representation.
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Epps is being represented by a man called Michael Tater,
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who comes from deep within the bowels of the Democrat national security nexus machine.
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He's an employee of the discredited and thoroughly disgraced Democrat hatchet man David Brock.
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He's also a former employee of Perkins Coy, again, a disgraced law firm,
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which could, I think, accurately be described as one of the laboratories out of which
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Epps, the former Oath Keeper, the head of the Arizona Oath Keeper militia group,
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the guy in camo and a Trump hat telling people to go into the Capitol.
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And so I'd love to get into some of the details of the defamation lawsuit that Epps people are
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slapping Fox with and to share some of my initial analysis on this pretty remarkable development
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Well, let me jump to a direct question that and I'll credit where it's due.
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Julie Kelly actually pulled this out first, that there's a line deep within this defamation suit
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against Fox News where it says Fox did not claim that Epps was an informant for a federal agency.
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They claimed or implied that he was a federal agent.
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Why are they using that very careful language and couching their statements in how they acclaim
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And just for the record, as a guy who used to work in that community, there's many times
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where an agent tasks someone to become an informant or a source or an unwitting subsource.
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Yet it seems that for Fox News in this, or I should say this lawsuit against Fox News,
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they're being very careful as to what the specific claim is.
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And Fed is kind of a colloquial term that, you know, is not incredibly precise.
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As for my own position that I've articulated numerous times in talking about Epps is, you know,
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I've always maintained I don't think he is a federal agent in the sense of being a regular
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I think it's very possible that he doesn't even work directly for the federal government
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Although he was leaning very heavily on this concept of law enforcement, denying being involved
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in law enforcement, which leaves open a lot of possibilities, military intelligence, DHS,
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a lot of other things, it could be a private cutout that's acting in some capacity at the
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direction of a federal organization, or it could simply be a third party group.
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The only thing that I've maintained is overwhelmingly likely, given the pattern of facts, is that
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Ray Epps is being protected, and that I think it's overwhelmingly likely, given his behavior
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and the inconsistencies in his statements, that he's not acting or that in my opinion, he
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was acting in concert with some third party, and that he is being protected and defended by
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unusual bedfellows, because he was acting on behalf of some third party that could be connected
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That's my opinion, and I think that's the most logical explanation of the fact pattern
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As to the question of whether he's a federal agent, informant, and so forth, this is an
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interesting thing to consider in light of defamation law as such.
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Remember, this is a defamation claim, and we have a very, very important piece up right
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now at revolver.news, which is our sort of first definitive pass on what's going on
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Remember, this is a suit technically right now, just against Fox, even though I am named
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prominently as the chief originator of Epps reporting, which I am, and proudly so, and
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Tucker is, of course, thoroughly mentioned, neither Tucker nor myself nor Revolver News are
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Have you received any notification, anything like that?
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Well, I know that in an initial volley, so to speak, from Epps's counsel that he demanded
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that Tucker Carlson preserve his communications, assuming there are any communications with me
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I've been prominently mentioned in all of these kind of legal proceedings, so I think it's overwhelmingly
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likely that at some point they would go after me.
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But the strategic question here is interesting because Fox News, as we know from the Dominion
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And Fox News, I think, will likely settle this case, not only because Tucker saw a target,
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but because in settling this case, they are kind of indirectly reinforcing their own narrative
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that Tucker was a liability, and therefore they were justified in firing him.
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And such a settlement would also allow regime journalists to incorrectly portray this issue
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as a settled legal matter to say that, oh, this has been discredited in court, which it hasn't.
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And of course, if Fox is willing to settle, which I think they will be, Fox won't play hardball
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and demand discovery on the side of Epps, which could be a concern.
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So there is a certain case to be made that they just want Fox and not go after Tucker and me.
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But given the political hatchet men involved, given that his legal representation comes from David Brock,
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Probably for Epps, it's about money, but for the people who are representing and helping him in this fashion,
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it's about politically kneecapping Tucker Carlson and myself.
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So I think it's quite likely that after they get a settlement from Fox,
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they will come after Revolver News and Tucker Carlson separately.
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And since, you know, the Alex Jones settlement, or I should say the Alex Jones case,
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But I want to ask, just briefly, what is your reaction to this revelation buried deep within this
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First of all, I find it remarkable, if it is true, that the DOJ did Ray Epps the courtesy
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of notifying him in advance of a potential indictment.
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I don't think that's a very typical procedure for January 6th defendants,
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certainly not ones that meet the egregious standards that Ray Epps has.
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Secondly, to my knowledge, he hasn't yet been charged.
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If he is charged, I would say it's very suspicious timing.
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There's certainly an element of doing this in order to undermine the claims of Revolver and others,
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I think it would just make it look more suspicious.
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And it could be, if rumors are true, and I think there's some credibility to it,
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that there's a forthcoming indictment of Trump for January 6th things,
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they might be self-aware enough to know that it would look really ridiculous
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to bend over backwards for a sham indictment of Trump
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when someone like Ray Epps is walking without any indictment.
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So those are my initial thoughts on that kind of buried leave within the legal complaint.
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His reporting brought us to where we are today, revolver.news.
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So we've got up this case, this new lawsuit, Ray Epps.
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But there's more than just that because this is going on also at the FBI.
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The FBI and Chris Ray, they're up there at this hearing.
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I got to say, I appreciate the enthusiasm of the committee to want to go after Chris
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Ray, to want to hold him accountable and to want to go after the FBI.
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But having the man simply sit there and answer questions isn't enough.
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You must talk about cutting the FBI's budget or demanding radical changes within the FBI
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before you will sign off on budget appropriations, before you go in for budget increases, salary
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It's our look what Tuberville, look what Senator Tuberville is doing over there holding up flag
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By himself, he has been able to show how one man can have that much of an effect.
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And if I could say anything to the House GOP, I'd say, go and look at Tommy Tuberville energy
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Now that I think about it, when I see how much energy he has, I'm thinking that might
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be some blackout coffee energy that Tommy Tuberville has.
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But this is how you have to use command by negation.
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You have to go to the FBI and say, look, we know we can't change your internal policies,
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And if you want to continue being funded, then you are going to make these specific changes.
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You're also going to allow congressional investigators to get up in your grill.
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I want congressional investigators to go in, go hire Kash Patel, go have him come in, Devin
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Nunez, Derek Harvey, all these guys, get the entire squad back, get the entire squad
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back and send them in there and have them actually crack open, give them the clearances,
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Have them go in there and have them just start pulling files.
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And simply letting him up there to answer questions and then let him off the hook is
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They did actually ask him at one point about Ray Epps yesterday.
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When you answer my next question, are you going to arrest?
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I'm not going to engage here in a discussion about individual people who are or are not
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I understand a little bit about probable cause.
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I think Chris Ray probably packed a couple of fat loads before he went up on.
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Chris, just remember, when the bag of cocaine is there, you're not supposed to huff the entire
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Okay, so here's, that's what Chris Ray said about Ray Epps up there.
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In May 2023, the Department of Justice notified Epps that it would seek to charge him criminally
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for events on January 6, 2021, two and a half years later.
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The relentless attacks by Fox and Mr. Carlson, the resulting political pressure, likely resulted
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Although it is difficult to believe the Department of Justice would have pursued this matter if
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Fox had not focused on its lies on Epps, again, I'm reading from the lawsuit, ultimately
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the criminal charges conclusively demonstrated the falsehood of the story that Mr. Carlson
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So, it's interesting to me that the criminal charge, the DOJ is using the criminal charges
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on Epps to give their lawyers an out to say, well, he couldn't possibly have been a Fed.
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So, if we're charging him, he couldn't possibly be a Fed.
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And I'm not going to say this about Ray Epps directly, but do you know what happens
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any time you want to insert a confidential informant into an organization?
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The very first thing you do when you're inserting a confidential informant into an organization
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You make sure that everybody around sees it, and then you bring him in, then you talk to
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him for a while, you ask him how he's doing, you ask him if he got any information for you,
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you ask him what's going on, and then you send him back out.
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But look, I've said this every time that I watch that footage, you know, and I bring it
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I was there January 5th, 2020, in Freedom Square the night before.
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This is the night when he was telling people, going around Freedom Square, telling people,
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So, you can see me on stage speaking at the event.
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I spoke predominantly about the Chinese Communist Party, Xi Jinping, did my, you know, speaking
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And then I remember hearing people chanting, fed, fed, fed, fed, fed, all right?
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And I could see a guy with, like, a tan, like, a large, like, military-style jacket, but no
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clue what was going on, other side of the square, basically.
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Then, the very next day, what I saw on January 6th at the Capitol, I've talked about before
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how Raheem Kassam and I were walking down the hill.
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I saw people on top of the, you know, on top of the wall, standing there at the barrister,
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And then, I remember seeing these people with megaphones and people with ponchos and green
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They were specifically there working in concert, an organized group of people to urge people
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And 99.9% of the crowd, and I remember seeing this middle-aged couple with, they're wearing
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They're carrying little American flags, waving it around.
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And this guy's screaming in their face to go in, go in.
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They were saying, and you could see it on their faces, this idea that they had come to
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protest the government for a redress of grievances.
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They were there to participate in the rally that President Trump had held at the Ellipse.
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And there was another rally that was going to take place on the other side of the Capitol,
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directly outside the Supreme Court, which was permitted that day, by the way, permitted
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And I went on War Room the next day, or maybe even been that afternoon.
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And I remember in those first 24 hours, people kept saying, Jack, was it Antifa?
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And I said, look, I don't have any evidence that it was Antifa.
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And then we find out later on, and this has come out publicly, that we know there have
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been multiple federal informants that were in the crowd.
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So as to the very fine question, and the very specific question, was Ray Epps a Fed, as Darren
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Beattie told you, that doesn't necessarily mean he was on the payroll of the federal government
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But was he being run by a federal agency of some sort?
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Go read the text messages from the Michigan militia plot that were leaked from their FBI
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handler who was telling them, get as many people into the van as you can.
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They went to DOJ and they said that the van ride was an action taken to perform surveillance
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And everyone who was in the van was in charge of the crime.
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So the question is, what if that person then went and talked to somebody else and said,
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Well, is he saying that or is he saying that because he wants to get someone set up for a
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This is known, by the way, in online as Fed posting.
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But it's very interesting to me that Ray Epps stated in this lawsuit, or his lawyer stated
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But they said it doesn't matter if he was an informant.
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They specifically walk away and try to defuse the claim, preemptively defuse the claim about
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I'm buzzing in my ear about the boring people at your office.
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I'm trying to listen to the new human events with Jack Pozovic.
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Okay, look, so over the break, I'm getting the producers, they're blowing me up.
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They're saying, Jack, you can't say packing fat loads.
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I'm saying when I go to my coffee machine, I reach for my blackout coffee, whether it's
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the extreme, brutal awakening, whichever one it is.
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I'm like, I'm like, I'm like six scoops, right?
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And it's, you know, sometimes, sometimes if I'm feeling like a little, you know, I was
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feeling like a little bit like, ah, to wake up early, got a flight or something.
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But folks, when it comes to this idea of Ray Epps, I think people have potentially
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and Tucker, to my knowledge, has not yet responded to this.
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Now, he'll be appearing tomorrow at the Iowa Freedom Leader Presidential Forum.
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And it would be very interesting to me to see, will Tucker ask questions of January 6th
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to the presidential candidates that are going to be up on that stage?
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Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, basically all the main candidates other than the actual front
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Also, I announced on Twitter this morning, I'll say it for you guys here, that I will
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also be appearing at the Iowa Family Leader Presidential Forum.
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I'm going to be doing some commentary, some analysis live on the stream with the Blaze.
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And so I'm flying here from Palm Beach to do that.
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Then I'm going to fly back for the remainder of America.
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And so we're down here at the convention center.
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We have the Thought Crime show that's later tonight.
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So I'll be on main stage for that with, and I think, I don't know, this has been announced
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I didn't actually see if Charlie said it publicly.
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Tonight, we have a special guest on Thought Crime, Mr. James Lindsay.
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Dr. James Lindsay will be joining us for Thought Crime.
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Folks, let me get back to the issue with Ray Epps.
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And here's what I think that Darren Beatty said earlier that's going to happen.
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You have to understand that President Trump is being faced with 45 potential counts in the
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Jack Smith, the special prosecutor, has a grand jury that is currently meeting separate from
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Separate from that one, there's going to be another, right?
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There's going to be another grand jury in Washington, D.C.
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Now, down here in Southern Florida, you can pull a jury together, and if you get those
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12 members of the jury, there's a very good chance that you'll get a Trump supporter there.
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If you get them on the jury, at least one, one or two, you're solid.
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But in Washington, D.C., Jack Smith knows that's not the case.
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Because, look, I've sat in trial after trial in D.C., whether it's Paul Manafort, Steve
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Bannon, Roger Stone, General Flynn, George Papadopoulos.
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Because they want, by the way, Julian Assange to be there, you know that that jury is going
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It's going to be hardline, politicized, liberal, left-wingers, people who watch CNN, MSNBC,
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That's the only place, or read Washington Post, that's the only place they get their news.
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The trick is, if they can put charges on Epps, what they'll do is they'll say that Epps and
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the Proud Boys and Stuart Rhodes and the Oath Keepers and all of these various entities on
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January 6th committed actions that constitute an insurrection.
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And the reason they'll call it an insurrection is very simple, because they want to charge
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And by charging him with seditious conspiracy, if they can get this conviction, this is why
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It's so important to understand the jury pool, because the jury pool is what determines the
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But if it's all liberals, then voir dire doesn't really matter.
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But in DC, honestly, I'm just going to say it, it doesn't matter as much.
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Well, if you're Jack Smith, and you're the Democrats, and you're the Biden administration,
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You've got to charge a bunch of low level people, and then work your way up to the mastermind,
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work your way up to the top, work your way up to Tony Soprano himself, right?
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And they want to charge Trump with seditious conspiracy, which as we've laid out on the
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program, and I think I'm the only person on the right who's actually said this, the reason
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they want to charge him with seditious conspiracy is so that it will trigger the disqualification
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clause of the 14th Amendment and disqualify him for holding future federal office.
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Now, more people have been talking about this, and I appreciate that.
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But that's going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court better
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And so what they're attempting to do is push all this forward before the election.
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Now, if you go down and look at what President Trump's lawyers have done with the Eileen Cannon
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case, that's the one that's down, the classified documents case down at Mar-a-Lago, which honestly
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Because remember, we don't know if these are classified documents.
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His defense all along has been that they were declassified, and his actions under the
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Presidential Records Act of taking those documents, signing off on them to be sent to Mar-a-Lago
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was a de facto act of declassification and a de facto recognition of those documents and
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items and mementos and whatever else he took when he packed up the Oval Office that were
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then sent down to Mar-a-Lago was completely legal because he owns those documents.
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He possesses them under the Presidential Records Act.
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So what they're trying to do now, the lawyers, and I think they should do this, and I think
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it's right, they've now positioned and petitioned the judge to push back that trial to 2025.
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They need to push that election until after, or excuse me, they need to push that trial until
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Because these charges never should have been brought in the middle of an election.
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I mean, think about, just think of the logistics.
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The Iowa caucuses will be going on while he's on trial.
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And Maggie Haberman's up there when they put her on CNN saying, oh, well, yeah, think of
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The Iowa caucus voters will be arriving, and the caucus goers will be there at the same
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She said, Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, Mags.
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You say on the quiet part out loud, you're trying to rig the election, or at least they're
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But they're trying to rig the election by holding the trial concurrently with the primaries.
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Not only is Trump demolishing every single other Republican challenger, but go look at
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He's up in swing state after swing state after swing state across the country, tied in Michigan.
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And so they know the only thing they have left is their ability to use the courts.
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This is how they're trying to stop the resurgence and the return of Donald Trump and the populist
00:40:46.220
nationalist MAGA movement into the power halls of Washington, D.C.
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They know that if they can just get enough people to push harder on this, enough people
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When I grew up in the hood, I rolled with bloods.
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You can't be listening to all that slappy whack, trimatozolitzabam ship, nippy bam bam,
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We're very excited to have joining us here for the final segment of Human Events.
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He's a candidate for Missouri Attorney General.
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Just came off of a huge event up there in Missouri with Senator Josh Hawley and others
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Will, I've got to get your thoughts on this, by the way, this idea.
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And I know you've been outspoken to it as well.
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Does it seem like they actually want this trial to be running as the votes are being
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Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what Jack Smith, the special counsel's plan, clearly was all
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along, that they wanted this trial to kick off in December, which just thinking about
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the timeline would probably make that trial run into January as voters are literally going
00:42:10.680
At the end of the day, this is a complicated case.
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It's a complicated case legally, as you were saying before the break, in terms of the intersection
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of the Presidential Records Act and the Espionage Act.
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Discovery in this case, the unclassified portions of discovery that have already been turned over
00:42:29.780
amount to over 800,000 pages of documents, terabytes and terabytes of video recordings and
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other data, the idea that any defendant, much less a guy like Trump, who's out campaigning
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to be president, could be prepared for trial in just a couple months.
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I think Jack Smith is gaslighting the court and gaslighting really the United States of
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America with the way that he's behaved and the filings that his team has already made in
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And I think President Trump's move to get this pushed until after the election makes sense
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legally, makes sense factually, it was the right move for his legal team.
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So this idea then that, you know, she will be able to, the judge there, I think Cannon
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Just take the politics out of it for a second, right?
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And I think most people, even moderates, hopefully, would be able to agree that this isn't the
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sort of thing that we usually do during a presidential election.
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But just in a normal case, when you, let's say that this was, this wasn't President Trump,
00:43:41.140
When you have this much volume of data, this many terabytes of video, is this normal, this
00:43:53.940
I mean, when Jack Smith announced charges in this case, he tried to push to have a trial
00:44:00.900
There's just no physical way for Trump's defense team to review the discovery materials that
00:44:05.780
have been turned over to them in the time that Smith and his team have, have, have pushed
00:44:16.940
I had pretty simple carjackings and bank robberies take way more time to get to trial than, than
00:44:22.860
in this case, without any of the stakes, without any of the public issues, without any of the
00:44:27.640
real legal arguments that are going to have to play out both at the trial court stage and
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So again, I think this is Jack Smith being really disingenuous with the way he's handling
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this case, both in terms of scheduling and also just in terms of his team's public statements
00:44:47.960
Well, and, and when I look at some of this too, and, and keep in mind, this is something
00:44:53.580
that publicly we've not been able to see any of these videos.
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We've haven't, haven't had time to look at this.
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We were talking about, you know, January 6, um, earlier in the program.
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And that's the case where we've seen some of the closed circuit videos, but even that
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has been almost like pulling teeth from Congress.
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When it comes to this one, we've not seen any of these videos.
00:45:14.780
And yet they're, you're charging Will Nauta and some of these staffers say, oh, he, he
00:45:19.200
moved the box from this building to this building.
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And, but they don't, and then they had redacted in the affidavit that when he was moving the
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boxes around, he was being escorted by the secret service as they were executing the subpoena
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I mean, it, it, it speaks to what you say about this gaslighting, because when they finally
00:45:39.360
get the redactions out, you see, well, suddenly it's like, oh, they weren't complying.
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Actually, they were complying and the secret service was helping them comply.
00:45:46.960
So when, when you talk about this gaslighting from a prosecutorial standpoint, is that something
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that we're not used to seeing, or is this the same type of tactic that you would, uh,
00:45:56.260
that you would consider Jack Smith to use on other cases?
00:45:59.260
Well, and look, it, it goes beyond even what you're saying, Jack, that when you look at
00:46:03.360
what Jack Smith's team has been doing, we've seen a steady stream of leaks that I would assume
00:46:08.540
come from people on his team about, you know, these recordings of Trump talking about documents
00:46:16.260
And when you dig down, they're trying to establish a public narrative.
00:46:19.980
They're trying to shape their jury pool in a way that's totally antithetical, uh, to the
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way that prosecutors are trained to bring cases.
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They're playing to the mainstream media peanut gallery instead of letting their legal arguments,
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And I think the reason for that is that they know that there are serious legal deficiencies
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as well as fat deficiencies with a case that they've brought.
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And they're scared of losing the whole thing, uh, if they play this fairly.
00:46:49.780
And that's why we're seeing the sort of, uh, dirty, uh, dirty tactics that we've already
00:47:02.940
Missouri, obviously, uh, if you're successful, I think would be well-served to have you as
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the attorney general, where can people go to follow you and get more information about
00:47:13.120
You can find me on Twitter, uh, Facebook, Instagram, truth, social, just at will Scharf.
00:47:31.540
And we played a clip of Rush Limbaugh at the top of the show today saying that I, now he's
00:47:38.700
talking about Mueller and he said, I don't care what Mueller does to Trump.
00:47:43.460
The people that voted for him are not going to leave him.
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And Rush explained it in the way that only Rush can, because Rush understood the people.
00:47:56.540
That's what made Rush tick for as much as Rush talked, right?
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You know, he talked for, uh, three hours a day, five days a week.
00:48:08.720
And he said, they view Donald Trump as their man fighting back against the crooked establishment
00:48:16.680
And they are never going to leave him, no matter what Mueller does.
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I think that's the same thing you're seeing here.
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With each act of transparent aggression, Trump's base only becomes more committed.
00:48:31.180
This is why, and you see all the headlines out there, uh, donor sour on DeSantis.
00:48:37.580
DeSantis going out to the Hamptons to huddle with donors, et cetera, et cetera.
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But it has not, it, that's part of it, but you're also missing the bigger picture.
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And I'll say this again, folks, they don't look at Trump as a candidate.
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Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.