Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - July 21, 2023


EPISODE 522： EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH VIVEK RAMASWAMY


Episode Stats

Length

49 minutes

Words per Minute

187.72934

Word Count

9,260

Sentence Count

688

Misogynist Sentences

4

Hate Speech Sentences

12


Summary

On this episode of Human Events with Jack Posobiec, we discuss the latest in the Hunter Biden and Joe Biden case, the latest on the DeSantis campaign, and much, much more. Plus, we have a special guest, Richard Barris, the People's Pundit.


Transcript

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00:00:30.000 We are in a fifth-generational conflict.
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00:00:48.920 The judge in that case, Eileen Cannon, out of Fort Pierce, Florida, has set a trial date
00:00:55.720 for the 20th of May.
00:00:57.960 So that's a good six months prior to the election.
00:01:02.340 Now, the FBI interview detailed inside was of a highly credible source who said that
00:01:08.120 Burisma hired Hunter Biden to protect the U.S. through his dad from all kind of problems.
00:01:13.740 The sad truth is that 60 percent of the shootings, the robberies, the homicides in America are
00:01:18.700 committed by black people.
00:01:20.020 The sad truth is half of the homicide victims in America are black.
00:01:24.100 We stated several months ago that we have reached full capacity.
00:01:28.620 We have no more room in the city.
00:01:32.660 Largest investment to combat climate ever, ever, anywhere in the world.
00:01:38.660 Over $368 billion.
00:01:42.160 We know the urgency.
00:01:44.300 Nuclear tensions between the U.S. and North Korea escalating
00:01:47.920 as the U.S. shows its military support for South Korea.
00:01:51.300 The Russians had time to build up and to build these defenses in depth.
00:01:54.840 Defense is the stronger form of war.
00:01:56.460 So we knew this was going to be a tough slog.
00:01:58.380 Joe Biden can't even walk up a flight of stairs on Air Force One,
00:02:02.760 and he can't put two sentences together.
00:02:05.520 The last thing that this incompetent administration should be doing
00:02:10.260 is risking war with a nuclear-armed Russia.
00:02:13.580 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events
00:02:17.900 with Jack Posobiec.
00:02:19.240 Today is July 21st, 2023.
00:02:21.760 Anno Domini.
00:02:23.160 Folks, we told you that President Trump was going to see that film,
00:02:27.640 The Sound of Freedom.
00:02:28.840 We sat there.
00:02:30.020 I was able to show you the photo of him sitting front row center,
00:02:34.100 two and a half hours straight.
00:02:35.280 Didn't get up.
00:02:36.500 Didn't go to the bathroom.
00:02:38.120 Nobody brought in popcorn.
00:02:39.500 Wasn't looking at his phone.
00:02:40.840 Wasn't on Truth Social, et cetera, et cetera.
00:02:43.580 He sat and watched that video, that movie, for two and a half hours.
00:02:48.020 Jim Caviezel on one side, Tim Ballard on the other.
00:02:51.920 And then just today, moments ago, he released a new video
00:02:56.000 saying that after seeing The Sound of Freedom,
00:02:58.920 he is now vowing that he will add the execution and death penalty
00:03:04.780 for child trafficking to the top of his agenda.
00:03:09.220 I want to talk about this and also talk about a lot more getting into
00:03:12.480 the horse race of 2024.
00:03:14.740 We're going to make sure that we get Vivek Ramaswamy up later today.
00:03:18.120 But first, we've got Richard Barris, the People's Pundit, coming out.
00:03:21.320 Rich, I got to ask you.
00:03:23.120 So there were, and we'll get into more in the next segment,
00:03:26.440 but you got Governor DeSantis the other day,
00:03:29.220 says he's, announces he's investigating Bud Light in the state of Florida.
00:03:34.020 Meanwhile, Donald Trump comes out with a response, not a response,
00:03:38.580 but comes out with his own plan saying,
00:03:40.140 I'm going to execute child traffickers.
00:03:43.740 Isn't this kind of dichotomy almost endemic of the two campaigns
00:03:47.860 we're looking at here?
00:03:49.100 You just took the words right out of my mouth, Jack.
00:03:51.680 And thanks for having me on, as always.
00:03:53.380 You took the words right out of my mouth.
00:03:55.480 And there are stories yesterday and today, NBC, Vox, others,
00:04:00.280 you know, that Ron DeSantis is rebooting his campaign again.
00:04:03.860 It's the third reboot in just under eight weeks.
00:04:07.340 All campaigns reboot, but they don't reboot every two or three weeks.
00:04:11.720 So the real question is, is this really a reboot?
00:04:14.920 Because we've heard this before.
00:04:16.720 And then we see something like this.
00:04:18.780 And the truth is, this is the problem.
00:04:21.840 They said they're going to focus less on Florida-centric,
00:04:24.820 what he did in Florida,
00:04:25.780 and make more of a national culture warrior insurgency campaign.
00:04:31.420 Can you do that if this is, again,
00:04:34.540 the direction you want to go into?
00:04:37.340 Voters are, right now,
00:04:39.780 looking at their president that they love,
00:04:42.520 and the Republican side,
00:04:43.920 they love being targeted by some, you know,
00:04:47.900 prosecutor in Fulton County, Georgia.
00:04:50.120 They want to indict him on racketeering.
00:04:51.800 And they want to indict Trump on some old Civil War-era sedition charge,
00:04:58.140 Jack Smith.
00:04:59.180 And they're looking at this,
00:05:00.480 and they're saying, you know,
00:05:01.420 that the administrative state has got to go.
00:05:04.680 This is a problem.
00:05:05.860 And Ron DeSantis is talking about investigating Bud Light.
00:05:10.240 I mean, Jack, well, again,
00:05:12.320 Trump is laser-focused on some of these other issues.
00:05:16.500 This movie made a splash with the Republican base.
00:05:18.700 There's no doubt about it.
00:05:19.660 And I think the Republican Party views people like Jack Smith and others as
00:05:25.400 instruments of the administrative state that protect the status quo.
00:05:29.980 And that very status quo is one that allows and, frankly,
00:05:33.180 enables this very, very dark element to the economy that we don't like to talk about.
00:05:39.140 And there's been one person who has been a champion against that stuff.
00:05:42.740 I just don't see how, you know,
00:05:44.100 going after Bud Light, it rises to that level, Jack.
00:05:48.080 I just don't.
00:05:48.500 It just, no, no, no, I feel like it doesn't.
00:05:51.000 And it also feels like it's sort of, you know, in the online parlance.
00:05:54.780 We're coming up on a break here.
00:05:55.720 But, you know, in online parlance, we would call that kind of a dead meme.
00:05:59.260 That, you know, we remember, you know, Bud Light, it was like the meme of June.
00:06:03.480 And now we're in a July.
00:06:05.120 It's kind of a dead meme.
00:06:06.120 We get it, right?
00:06:06.800 That is, you know, the LGBT beer.
00:06:09.380 Got it.
00:06:09.940 We're canceling it.
00:06:10.740 We're moving on.
00:06:11.520 But why do you keep going back to it?
00:06:13.880 You got to go to the next thing.
00:06:15.740 You got to get bigger.
00:06:16.800 And there's no bigger issue in the world than child trafficking.
00:06:19.940 Coming up next, more with Richard Barris.
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00:08:05.000 Look, Rich, we got to talk about DeSantis in the context of this primary.
00:08:12.520 Look, I was up at Bedminster the other night.
00:08:14.640 People have seen the photos.
00:08:16.120 I was talking with Jason Miller and other members of the campaign.
00:08:20.820 It was interesting because on the same day that they're announcing further charges are coming, this January 6th stuff is coming,
00:08:28.660 that, you know, talking about the date.
00:08:30.560 We do have a date now.
00:08:31.840 It's going to be May.
00:08:34.120 These guys seemed pretty excited.
00:08:36.820 They seemed pretty happy.
00:08:37.740 They had some pep in their step.
00:08:39.520 They didn't seem worried.
00:08:43.040 So when we're talking about the position of the president with the primary, of course, we have to keep in mind,
00:08:48.720 and I did get to speak with him very briefly, and he was happy.
00:08:52.300 He was making jokes.
00:08:53.080 He's still got a gauntlet to run.
00:08:56.680 And so do you think at this point that any particular members of the primary or potential future entrants,
00:09:04.880 like this idea of the establishment moving behind Tim Scott, bringing Glenn Youngkin into the race,
00:09:09.860 do you think it will have any effect on the primary, or is the primary done, Rich Barris?
00:09:13.920 Well, I think that gauntlet includes members of your own party, which is something I think the Trump campaign needs to do a better job being aware of.
00:09:22.760 That's just being point blank.
00:09:23.920 There's no doubt, Jack, that these candidates really did bank on this strategy of indictments hurting the former president.
00:09:33.680 You know, at this point, I've said this before, I'll say it again.
00:09:36.380 This guy's been indicted now more than John Gotti in many cases and cases to come that we're hearing.
00:09:42.160 He's been indicted on charges that are just as bad.
00:09:45.120 I mean, soon we're going to hear about racketeering and even worse, sedition.
00:09:48.780 I mean, that's how ludicrous we're getting to here.
00:09:51.660 They always figured that the Republican electorate would fatigue, and we're just not seeing that right now.
00:09:59.260 And we just did Iowa.
00:10:00.160 We had sent that to you.
00:10:01.500 It is before some of this newer news.
00:10:03.860 But it was a monstrous lead after all the money that the DeSantis campaign has spent.
00:10:09.700 Here's the problem.
00:10:11.480 They're just not playing it right.
00:10:13.900 So you heard a statement Ron DeSantis made the other day about when the latest indictment came up.
00:10:20.120 I mean, we're actively starting to see things that have been privately mentioned bubble to the surface and come out publicly now.
00:10:27.620 So the adoption of January 6th committee talking points by Ron DeSantis and his campaign, he said that clip's being taken out of context.
00:10:37.520 There's more to what he said.
00:10:38.960 It doesn't really matter if what he said before is.
00:10:41.660 He still shouldn't be indicted over it, but he could have done more.
00:10:46.580 This is more indication that they have wanted these indictments.
00:10:49.900 They need these indictments.
00:10:51.080 So I just don't know how Republican voters are going to conclude that you are the one to take out the administrative state or fight the administrative state if you are literally partnering with them to beat Donald Trump because that is what you're doing.
00:11:05.200 Whether it's an open dialogue partnership, Jack, or just something that's hush-hush and part of the strategy, they are effectively still your partner in your strategy to beat Donald Trump.
00:11:17.760 And I just don't think voters are going to react positively to that.
00:11:22.360 Okay?
00:11:22.640 They're just not going to, which is why even if Trump doesn't rise anymore from DeSantis falling in some of these polls, we see other people like Vivek increasing.
00:11:32.440 And by the way, even Tim Scott took some of DeSantis' support from Iowa this month.
00:11:37.280 So, you know, there's just – it's a failed strategy.
00:11:42.660 It is fundamentally misunderstanding what Republican voters are worried about, what concerns them, what makes – you know, literally what makes them afraid about the future.
00:11:53.080 It's fundamentally misunderstanding them, always has.
00:11:56.200 And I don't – again, you know, hearkening back to the last segment, I don't see that as a reboot.
00:12:01.340 I just see that as more of the same.
00:12:03.540 And, in fact, many of the changes that I'm seeing –
00:12:05.600 You're rearranging the deck chairs.
00:12:07.260 You can rearrange the deck chairs all you want.
00:12:09.800 But if you are not changing your trajectory – look, you've even got – and, Rich, credit to you because you were the one who came out and you were the very first person that we had on the program that said the name Scott Walker.
00:12:21.380 You said, this is starting to look like Scott Walker.
00:12:23.760 And I said, I don't know.
00:12:25.000 I feel like with social media, I feel like the profile is bigger.
00:12:28.080 I don't – I never felt like Scott Walker had that connection to the grassroots that it seemed like DeSantis had early on.
00:12:35.540 But then Scott Walker himself actually came out yesterday and said that the DeSantis campaign is making the same mistakes.
00:12:44.140 Rich, do you – where do you see the trajectory for this right now for Governor DeSantis?
00:12:48.800 Well, he's going – Jack, the retooling is really an excuse because they're running out of money.
00:12:54.780 That's the truth.
00:12:55.760 They're firing staff.
00:12:57.060 They're saying they're going to be less Florida-centered and we're going to have smaller events with more intimate settings.
00:13:03.580 Well, everybody knows that Ron DeSantis isn't good in intimate settings.
00:13:06.940 That's well-known.
00:13:07.880 That's not Rich Barris' opinion.
00:13:09.540 That's a widespread opinion well-known.
00:13:12.080 He is not good in these intimate settings.
00:13:14.040 And it's not that he's trying to connect with voters more in intimate settings.
00:13:17.480 They can't afford big events anymore.
00:13:21.260 Let me just say this out of the Iowa poll.
00:13:23.640 Something that Scott Walker made a mistake that he made that is even worse now for somebody like Ron DeSantis to make.
00:13:30.380 Scott Walker believed that he could like attack or upset the Trump vote, which was a much smaller diehard vote in 16 than it is now.
00:13:39.680 We just polled Iowa.
00:13:41.100 Iowa goes back to being a battleground state if Ron DeSantis is the nominee.
00:13:44.740 Suffolk just polled Ohio.
00:13:45.960 It goes back to being a battleground state if Ron DeSantis is the nominee.
00:13:49.920 Just like their chief pollster said, they found exactly what we found.
00:13:53.620 If you look at the Trump vote, DeSantis has effectively upset these people.
00:13:59.040 And he can count on about 70% of them to vote for him.
00:14:02.960 That's it.
00:14:03.520 Meanwhile, Trump takes every single, almost every single primary vote for Ron DeSantis.
00:14:09.440 So they're falling into that same hole.
00:14:11.700 Plus, when you compare it to Walker's campaign, Walker's burn rate was lower.
00:14:16.560 And he didn't even make it to Iowa.
00:14:18.840 Yeah, he didn't have the fundraising apparatus, but he's still burning the money at a lower rate than Ron DeSantis is burning it.
00:14:25.680 And for people who keep saying things like, well, he still outraged Trump.
00:14:29.600 He really didn't because one out of every six of those dollars can only be used to the general election.
00:14:34.440 And they can't even be used for the primaries.
00:14:36.180 So the situation is more dire than people are making it out.
00:14:39.560 Again, PACs can't run campaigns.
00:14:44.160 I've said this now for weeks.
00:14:45.780 I kind of knew this was coming when it comes to this financial burden, their insolvency that they may now be facing.
00:14:54.460 They didn't even know themselves, according to NBC News, until June 30th.
00:14:59.000 So they have consultants and team members spending money hand over fish jack.
00:15:02.560 And they didn't know until it was time to itemize it and send it to the FEC.
00:15:07.680 Think about that.
00:15:08.440 That's the kind of situation that campaign is in.
00:15:11.320 You're going to take out a former president like that, even with all of those indictments, you know, that only Trump can take out.
00:15:18.240 When you start with a huge amount of money like they did, when you start with that huge treasure chest, but you received it from high dollar donors.
00:15:29.640 And then you don't do the work, the long, hard work of understanding the electorate, meeting them where they are, going out and making the case.
00:15:39.440 And this is what this is what I will say for a governor to say this in my mind.
00:15:42.940 And I've seen it in interview after interview.
00:15:46.100 He tells you what he would do if he were president, but he's never once articulated how he intends to defeat Donald Trump in the primary.
00:15:55.840 I've never heard the explanation.
00:15:58.540 They just kind of.
00:15:59.180 And when you talk to, you know, sources associated with with their world, they just kind of act like it will happen.
00:16:04.980 Like, oh, well, Trump will sink because of the indictments.
00:16:07.500 And after the break, when I get into the story, this news story, you know, racketeering is being thrown around.
00:16:12.040 It just isn't happening, Rich.
00:16:14.200 It's just not happening.
00:16:15.340 They they take it as if it's, you know, it's a you know, they take it as if it's a given that Trump is about to implode in the polls.
00:16:22.420 That ain't happening, folks.
00:16:24.400 Even the comments to NBC and Vox and others, their cookie cutter responses you've been hearing for months out of Brian Griffin and others.
00:16:32.440 Ron DeSantis has routinely been underestimated.
00:16:35.160 He was always the underdog and yet he still wins.
00:16:37.900 And we're used to this and he would never have beaten Adam Putnam.
00:16:40.860 That's what we heard back then.
00:16:42.940 The problem, again, the new campaign managers basically just cookie cutter and changing a few words.
00:16:49.240 Same story as if it's just some unnatural force is going to come and knock Trump out, not them.
00:16:55.740 And a big part of that statement every time it came out of Brian's mouth is that none of that would have happened without Donald Trump.
00:17:03.600 So all of this stuff, they pin him as the underdog that he somehow climbed this insurmountable mountain.
00:17:08.960 And he didn't climb it.
00:17:11.460 Donald Trump climbed it for him.
00:17:13.740 That's the truth.
00:17:14.720 That was always an indisputable fact.
00:17:16.920 So I think you're right.
00:17:18.180 And then also, we were talking a little bit about this before, Jack.
00:17:21.840 They're talking about what they want to talk about.
00:17:24.520 That's been a major problem with this campaign.
00:17:26.740 I want to talk about how great I was during COVID, even though that was never going to land because it never really was true.
00:17:31.760 You know, now they want to talk to you about issues they think you should care about and and in ways that they think you should care that that's not what Trump does.
00:17:41.940 Trump talks about the issues the voters want to talk about, you know, and this issue with human trafficking that he's latched on to now calling for the death penalty.
00:17:51.160 This is an extension of the border and the political class being allowed to be tied it directly to the border.
00:17:58.880 He tied it directly.
00:17:59.900 He saw the film.
00:18:00.800 We were there with him in Bedminster.
00:18:02.440 He understood that this is directly tied to the border.
00:18:05.320 This is the most obvious.
00:18:06.640 And it's depicted in the movie as well, that it's that they use the border for this.
00:18:10.160 Although at the time when he was still president, they were using official crossings.
00:18:14.920 And nowadays, you just go anywhere.
00:18:16.400 We're coming back.
00:18:17.340 Richard Barris are going to breaking news after the jump on the racketeering charges on Donald Trump coming in Georgia.
00:18:26.300 I encourage people to you're interested in foreign policy.
00:18:29.480 You got to follow Jack.
00:18:30.840 So.
00:18:35.220 All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back here.
00:18:38.320 Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
00:18:40.340 Folks, I got to tell you, look, we were on that.
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00:18:42.940 We were on travel for about a week.
00:18:44.380 There was down at West Palm Beach for the Turning Point event.
00:18:48.800 It was incredible.
00:18:49.720 We went up to Bedminster.
00:18:50.960 We had this amazing, just historic night with President Trump, being able to watch the sound of freedom with him, with Jim Caviezel, Tim Ballard, with with Eduardo Barostegui, who's the producer and one of the actors in the film.
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00:20:08.380 Rich, we got to talk about it.
00:20:10.420 So Donald Trump, Fannie Willis, this prosecutor down in Georgia, racketeering, a racketeering charge, a RICO charge against President Trump.
00:20:23.740 Find the votes.
00:20:24.980 Look, we remember the call.
00:20:26.620 We remember the story.
00:20:28.320 We remember all of this.
00:20:29.780 What I want to ask you, Rich Barris, is does or do, I should say at this point, do these charges, the convictions, Georgia, New York, Washington, D.C. with January 6th, which is coming, Mar-a-Lago, which we now know will play out during May.
00:20:48.540 We're obviously in completely uncharted territory here, completely uncharted territory.
00:20:53.460 I don't think it has an effect on primary votes.
00:20:56.560 I just don't.
00:20:57.440 I really don't.
00:20:57.940 And if anything, we've seen it has sort of a Streisand effect.
00:21:00.800 It makes people galvanize their support for Trump.
00:21:04.120 My question to you is, what is the effect of this when it comes to a general election?
00:21:09.740 How do you think the general public sees this?
00:21:12.760 So I'm so glad you asked about the general because I think that gets left in the dust a lot.
00:21:17.000 So there's no doubt that they think it may have helped him in the short term for the other indictments.
00:21:23.020 But if we keep piling them on, eventually voters will get fatigued.
00:21:26.860 Voters will, you know, back away.
00:21:28.660 They'll get scared.
00:21:29.440 I mean, it's effectively fear, Jack.
00:21:31.800 But here is, this is how I would answer this because I have a running theory about why Donald Trump is doing so much better than he did in 16 and 20 with certain demographics.
00:21:41.300 And they're younger, they're more non-white.
00:21:44.160 And that trend is not just in the primary, it is in the general election.
00:21:48.820 So I'm glad you asked about that.
00:21:50.660 What I would say is this.
00:21:52.280 I think what it does do is increase this Trump or bust vote.
00:21:57.160 So right now, we're not really seeing that much of a deterioration in his national support.
00:22:02.840 What we are seeing is this increase in a voter, in this voting group that said, you know, if Donald Trump is on the ballot, I'll vote for him, but I won't vote for anybody else.
00:22:12.780 And they don't look like that typical demographic has in the past.
00:22:16.900 And my running theory is very simple.
00:22:19.220 These are normies who never would vote for a Republican candidate for president.
00:22:23.800 They may not even vote that much at all, but because Trump is being persecuted by the system, prosecuted by all these, it's just like one after the other after the other.
00:22:34.360 He's, they're making him relatable to people that you never would think Donald Trump would be relatable to.
00:22:41.900 And I really don't know how else to explain it other than that.
00:22:45.760 And it gives the average person, you know, in their minds, you know, somebody that finally understands maybe like what they're dealing with, you know, maybe they're not dealing with a federal prosecutor.
00:22:58.320 But there's something in society that pushes them down, that that constantly tries to hold them back and persecutes them.
00:23:07.700 And I really think that this is why I mean, I've been talking about this more and more, but this could end up.
00:23:14.260 I mean, Jack, Republicans really need to think about this when it comes to the outcome of the general election.
00:23:19.760 They could seriously fracture their party.
00:23:23.260 They're in real danger of these voters who now understand, relate with Trump, feeling like, you know, the Republican Party is just not their home.
00:23:33.660 And, you know, they could disappear.
00:23:35.900 They could fracture off like a Ross Perot kind of situation.
00:23:38.880 Only I think this would make this fracture would make Ross Perot look like a paper cut.
00:23:43.480 You know, this is, I think, maybe changing the equation, you know, the electoral map altogether.
00:23:53.020 And I think it is uncharted territory, so we don't know fully yet because everything's really a net.
00:24:00.100 We're looking for a net loss or a net gain.
00:24:02.740 I don't know if they're turning off Indy normies enough to counter that yet.
00:24:06.420 We'll just have to wait and see.
00:24:08.260 Well, Rich, let me let me tell you, because I've seen a lot of people throwing around this Monmouth poll that came out.
00:24:13.360 Yesterday, they're saying if Monmouth has this thing out, you know, 910 voters, national survey, and they're saying that it's over for Trump.
00:24:21.980 He's slaughtered.
00:24:22.900 Even if there's third party spoilers, this this what do you call it?
00:24:26.440 The no agenda, no labels, you know, Huntsman mansion deal gets involved that.
00:24:33.060 Oh, no, no agenda is my buddy, my buddy Adam Curry there.
00:24:36.320 That what is your take on the Monmouth poll?
00:24:39.840 Because this almost seems like an outlier, because we've been seeing it's an hour and Biden neck and neck up until this all of a sudden.
00:24:47.360 And I'm looking at it going, wait, I read the polls every day.
00:24:50.360 I did not see some I didn't I didn't see anything to show this huge jump all of a sudden.
00:24:55.740 What did you take on this poll?
00:24:57.220 This is Monmouth.
00:24:58.140 For those of us who have been doing this for years, this is what Monmouth does.
00:25:01.360 Two months ago, they'll have Trump up a few points.
00:25:03.820 They'll have his favorability rating doing better the next month.
00:25:07.120 They'll have him down by five, which, by the way, is two points better than they had him doing in their final poll in 2016.
00:25:12.960 And his favorability rating will be at like 26 percent when everybody else has Trump's favorability rating recuperating, you know, a lot more than that.
00:25:21.120 Nobody is in the 20s except for, you know, Marquette.
00:25:24.480 I feel like they have been an outlier that not feel like they have been.
00:25:29.320 And when your favorability for Donald Trump is lower than Mike Pence, you've done something wrong.
00:25:35.540 And everybody should automatically be able to look at that and see that, obviously, it's very easy to have a response bias with 900 registered voters, you know, on a phone survey.
00:25:48.820 Very, very, very, it's obviously in my mind, it's obviously an outlier.
00:25:53.780 Jack, even on bad days in our polling, we can't get Trump's favorability, you know, below 38.
00:26:01.960 And typically we're more negative than others.
00:26:04.660 We have them 45, 51, 47, 52.
00:26:08.480 You know, so we actually have more negative than others like Rasmussen and Harvard and Emerson, all of which have shown a bounce back in every former president's image bounces back.
00:26:21.680 Trump's bounced back quicker than most.
00:26:23.980 George W. Bush, for instance, great example.
00:26:26.740 Very unpopular when he left.
00:26:28.580 Now is slightly popular.
00:26:30.520 Trump's was quicker to recover, probably because he was still involved in politics.
00:26:34.700 And then also there's a very clear A-B choice with voters.
00:26:39.060 How was it under Trump?
00:26:40.000 How is it now under Biden?
00:26:41.540 So, I mean, to me, that's an outlier.
00:26:44.220 I didn't see anybody doing or making the same points when ABC News last month had Trump up by seven.
00:26:49.960 Right.
00:26:50.500 So we're going to we're going to see these.
00:26:53.300 And that's why the consensus of polling is important.
00:26:56.000 Trends are important.
00:26:57.740 You know, again, not all polls are created equally.
00:27:01.640 No, I think that's right.
00:27:03.180 Now, let me ask you this then.
00:27:04.700 So this is something that I had a conversation with somebody last night, high level, but it was sort of one of those one of those late night conversations of a what if.
00:27:13.520 And I'd love to get your perspective on this.
00:27:15.840 I think I'll ask Vivek this question as well when he comes out later today.
00:27:20.560 Do you think they actually try to put Donald Trump behind bars?
00:27:25.200 Oh, yes.
00:27:26.360 Oh, yes.
00:27:27.720 Absolutely.
00:27:28.160 And I always did think they were going to come out with this edition because I think Republicans, the establishment Republicans want cover to be able to go to some of the governors to try to remove him from the ballot, to try to get a convention fight if that's necessary.
00:27:43.060 They will do anything to stop this man from winning.
00:27:46.820 And that includes destabilizing our society.
00:27:50.920 I mean, by pulling what we are seeing now, which we have never seen in the history of the country.
00:27:56.060 We literally have a sitting president, you know, with with credible whistleblowers, alleging that he is interfering with investigations with his son.
00:28:05.280 He's taken money from every nation.
00:28:07.680 Rudy Giuliani said he took money from, by the way, that happened this week.
00:28:11.740 We're literally having this go on while at the same time that person has.
00:28:16.360 I appreciate you bringing that up because Rudy has been very, very vindicated.
00:28:21.160 He's totally vindicated.
00:28:23.020 Completely vindicated.
00:28:24.300 And I'll even I'll even throw a shout out to my my old colleague, Chanel Rion, who went over to Ukraine with Rudy Giuliani at the time.
00:28:33.880 Interviewed Shokin, all of it.
00:28:35.340 Not to get it on the whole the whole rabbit hole of that.
00:28:37.380 But I feel like what these whistleblowers are saying, I'm like, I saw this with Rudy three years ago.
00:28:44.480 They need.
00:28:44.880 And because of all this, when you understand the full context.
00:28:46.980 But if they if they move to put Trump behind bars, if they say there's a prison sentence, if he goes behind bars for one day, what does that do to our country?
00:28:57.720 Jack, you know, I know everybody what we says is the most important election in, you know, in history to me.
00:29:03.400 This one kind of really is, because if they put, you know, I almost defer to the Mexican president on this.
00:29:09.660 If they put major political opponents behind bars for things like this, when they're the ones who are alleged to have committed very real crimes, even this very same crimes they're trying to allege the former president committed.
00:29:22.980 Then that means really we're not picking our own leaders anymore.
00:29:26.500 And they've effectively won.
00:29:28.260 And to me, I don't really care who his name is.
00:29:30.300 I don't care if it's Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders.
00:29:32.760 To me, especially as a public pollster, why would I even have a job anymore, Jack?
00:29:38.240 I mean, if that's what's going on, if the administration or the administrative state is determining the state sponsored or state approved slate of candidates that you're allowed to vote for, then I don't even want to be a pollster anymore because I'm participating in a charade.
00:29:52.040 And it's this is not self-governance.
00:29:53.960 So I'm going to find myself another career.
00:29:56.260 I kid you not.
00:29:58.080 Because that's not what George Gallup envisioned.
00:30:01.800 No, no, this is not what our founders envisioned at all.
00:30:04.000 And I talked about this on on stage at Turning Point last week that this will blow the country apart.
00:30:10.820 And I'm not saying that I'm not saying that I want that.
00:30:13.380 I'm saying that I think that is what will happen.
00:30:15.840 Rich Barris, where can people go to get your writings, to follow up on the conversation and to get in?
00:30:20.780 Get in.
00:30:21.340 What's the invitation for your community?
00:30:24.280 Peoplespundit.locals.com, Jack.
00:30:26.480 I'm on Twitter.
00:30:27.080 I'm in Getter.
00:30:27.800 But the locals community was where is where it's at.
00:30:30.580 If you have been a member of it, you are intimately familiar with what we were just talking about with this Trump-only vote and the very real potential that the Republican Party could fracture this year.
00:30:42.960 And the impact or the implications that all of what is what we were just discussing in these couple segments, what this means going forward.
00:30:50.360 So check it out.
00:30:51.400 Peoplespundit.locals.
00:30:52.720 Stop buzzing in my ear about the boring people at your office.
00:30:57.160 I'm trying to listen to the new human events with Jack Pozovic.
00:31:01.720 All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back here.
00:31:04.440 Human events.
00:31:05.380 We promised you that this would be coming this week.
00:31:08.340 We are now very excited to bring on for you.
00:31:12.080 Again, we were just down at Turning Point last weekend.
00:31:16.160 Huge response.
00:31:17.340 Huge response from the crowd.
00:31:18.460 Huge response at the after party that Tanya Tan and myself actually attended.
00:31:22.040 We got to see him work in the crowd, doing his thing.
00:31:24.540 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining the program here, Vivek Ramaswamy.
00:31:29.840 Good to see you, Jack.
00:31:30.760 How are you doing?
00:31:31.960 Good to see you as well.
00:31:32.900 So right out of the gate, man, are you a World Economic Forum plant?
00:31:36.940 Is George Soros running your campaign?
00:31:39.160 Where are the rat lines?
00:31:40.160 Where are the strings?
00:31:42.220 So I will say that I'm running for U.S. president.
00:31:45.180 People should ask the hard questions.
00:31:47.180 I'm going to be transparent at every step.
00:31:48.860 World Economic Forum.
00:31:50.880 What is my relationship with them?
00:31:52.780 Answer, none.
00:31:54.160 Absolutely none.
00:31:55.200 Other than being probably their top critic in the United States.
00:31:59.640 Read the two books I've written.
00:32:01.080 Look at the company strive that I started to compete against their ESG agenda.
00:32:05.800 Why are people asking the question, though, Jack?
00:32:08.040 It's because they bizarrely listed me on their list of young global leaders.
00:32:13.420 This prestigious award they give to young billionaires and otherwise.
00:32:17.380 I rejected the award.
00:32:19.080 I repeatedly rejected it.
00:32:20.720 And then a few months later, my name still pops up on their website.
00:32:23.840 Turns out they've done the same thing to Elon Musk, to Glenn Beck, to others.
00:32:27.820 But anyway, in my case, I don't believe in standing by.
00:32:30.160 I respectfully ask them to take it down.
00:32:32.120 When they did not comply, I sued them.
00:32:34.720 I believe in taking action.
00:32:36.200 And I think I'm the only person who has actually sued the World Economic Forum.
00:32:39.600 And I expect just on the hard facts of it, we're going to be successful and demand that
00:32:44.240 they make a hard commitment that they never do this to somebody else again.
00:32:47.500 That's the World Economic Forum.
00:32:49.180 You want me to hit Soros as well?
00:32:51.660 Absolutely.
00:32:52.240 Please.
00:32:52.820 Yeah.
00:32:53.400 So another FAQ that has popped up, you brought it up as well, is what is my relationship with
00:32:58.580 George Soros?
00:33:00.380 Very clear answer.
00:33:01.900 None.
00:33:02.820 Zero direct or indirect relationship other than being one of the bigger critics in this country
00:33:08.500 of the disastrous policies that he's been funding over the last decade, especially after 2016.
00:33:15.140 Why are people asking the question?
00:33:17.500 There was a separate scholarship that I won at the age of 24, 25, when I was going to law
00:33:24.600 school in my mid-20s, in my early 20s, when I didn't have the money and it was a merit
00:33:29.120 scholarship that hundreds of kids win that was partially funded not by George Soros, but
00:33:35.140 by Paul Soros, a relative, his brother, who, by the way, is now long dead, who, by the
00:33:40.940 way, had, this is long before George Soros completely went off the deep end and really
00:33:45.520 went toxic in the last decade.
00:33:47.640 And to be perfectly honest with you, I would have had to be a fool to turn down that scholarship
00:33:53.240 at the age of 24.
00:33:55.080 Anyone that foolish, I think, should step nowhere near the White House doing trade deals on
00:33:59.200 behalf of this country either.
00:34:00.640 But I believe in standing for the truth, people are asking the questions, I believe in being
00:34:04.280 transparent.
00:34:05.380 And so that's the long and the short of that one.
00:34:08.080 Well, I appreciate that.
00:34:09.120 Now, in the very last, in the very, and I've heard you give the answer as well before.
00:34:12.860 Now, in the very last segment, we broke this story that's coming out now out of Georgia,
00:34:18.380 racketeering charges on the president, for President Trump.
00:34:22.240 I think that a lot of these charges, they're starting to roll together.
00:34:25.220 They're starting to gel together.
00:34:26.300 I think in the voters' mind, you're running on a campaign right now.
00:34:30.120 Let me ask you this, though.
00:34:32.100 We've got the judge, the judicial, I should say, schedule for President Trump's trial during
00:34:38.500 the primaries of 2024.
00:34:41.880 What effect do you think it would have, and maybe not even so much for your campaign, but
00:34:45.800 just on the country, if we could actually see a former president of the United States
00:34:49.720 on trial, potentially even going to jail in the middle of a primary?
00:34:56.700 I think it would be disastrous, Jack.
00:34:58.500 And I'm just going to be really direct with you, right?
00:35:01.840 I am running to be our next president.
00:35:04.900 I believe that we will be successful.
00:35:06.620 It's why I'm in this race.
00:35:07.680 Many people think the other FAQ that I often get from people is, do you have some backroom
00:35:12.460 deal with Trump?
00:35:13.480 No, we like each other.
00:35:14.740 We're friends.
00:35:15.240 We respect each other.
00:35:16.240 But I'm running to be the next president.
00:35:17.860 And it would be a lot easier for me if Trump were eliminated from competition by the federal
00:35:22.500 administrative state, which quietly, I think a lot of other Republican candidates are indeed
00:35:26.560 rooting for, as is the donor class.
00:35:28.880 I think it would be a national disaster for this country if that happened.
00:35:33.240 The one that I think is potentially most dangerous of all, Jack, is actually the supposed, we'll
00:35:37.900 see if it comes, the January 6th related indictment, because that one implicates Section 3 of
00:35:42.580 the 14th Amendment, which mentions the word insurrection or rebellion, which can actually eliminate
00:35:47.560 someone from running or even being removed from office.
00:35:50.120 We saw that happen to a county commissioner in the state of New Mexico, which I think
00:35:54.840 is jarring and alarming.
00:35:56.760 And if anybody doubts, you know, a lot of people don't follow politics.
00:35:59.740 What I explain to even a lot of my friends who are outside of politics and say, well, you
00:36:03.480 know, I'm sure he did something wrong, right?
00:36:05.440 I say, think about it the other way around.
00:36:07.460 The fact that there are all of these prosecutions happening at the exact same time, right as he's
00:36:12.760 running for president, on strained legal theories that have never once been used before, what
00:36:18.440 does that tell you?
00:36:19.120 It has nothing to do with the law.
00:36:20.820 It has to do with an anaphylactic immune response against an antigen in the form of Trump that
00:36:27.220 threatened the system.
00:36:28.600 OK, and I think that once you see it that way, it's hard to unsee it.
00:36:32.200 Even if you're not in the world of politics, I've been able to actually get a lot of my friends
00:36:36.180 to open their eyes who aren't in the world of politics to understand the injustice of
00:36:40.080 this, and I think it's bad for our country.
00:36:43.020 The example we set for the rest of the world is we are that shining city on a hill, or at
00:36:47.320 least we're supposed to be.
00:36:48.720 The way we lead the world, the way we contribute to the rest of the world is that when America
00:36:53.200 is strong and prosperous and healthy at home, that sets an example to the free world abroad.
00:36:58.500 Imagine if you have a lead candidate in an election, even in this primary, battling charges
00:37:04.620 in jail or at trial, that undermines global trust in America as the leader.
00:37:10.300 It undermines the trust of our own citizens in our own process, and it's a disastrous precedent,
00:37:15.780 which is why I've said in no uncertain terms that if I'm elected president, we have a long
00:37:19.840 list on day one of people who get pardons.
00:37:23.240 Julian Assange is on that list.
00:37:24.940 Ross Ulbricht is on that list.
00:37:27.100 Peaceful January 6th protesters, as well as any January 6th protester who had due process
00:37:31.680 rights denied, are on that list, but President Trump is also absolutely on that list, and
00:37:37.740 that includes, by the way, the New York charges, which people say that's a state charge, know
00:37:42.140 that invokes a federal law, so there's legal precedent for that being a pardon as well.
00:37:46.420 That's why I've been crystal clear about it, Jack.
00:37:48.780 What about Snowden?
00:37:50.600 Where are you in Snowden?
00:37:52.040 I would pardon Snowden.
00:37:53.060 He's also on the list that we published.
00:37:55.540 Okay.
00:37:55.820 I mean, I think if you're going to hold it to any type of understanding or a truth commission
00:38:00.880 or on these national security agencies and what they've been doing in terms of domestic
00:38:06.300 surveillance, you're going to need Assange and Snowden to testify.
00:38:10.720 I've long stated that, you know, you don't make it an unconditional pardon.
00:38:17.040 You make a deal.
00:38:17.800 You say, let's come forward.
00:38:19.620 You give us what you know.
00:38:20.940 Assange as well, by the way.
00:38:22.540 Give us what you know and you can.
00:38:24.440 And then guess what?
00:38:25.260 Then you get your pardon.
00:38:26.180 It's as simple as that.
00:38:27.040 I mean, you think you're stealing my lines in a good way.
00:38:30.080 That's exactly what I've said is actually we have to look after the American interest.
00:38:35.060 And that's what we get out of this as Americans is information, transparency, and accountability.
00:38:40.640 And the funny thing, Jack, is, you know, you and I, people may view us as Republican,
00:38:44.000 you know, extremists or whatever.
00:38:46.320 I don't view the partisan label as anything, actually.
00:38:49.820 This used to be a liberal talking point back when I was in college.
00:38:53.240 And by the way, I was on the same side of this even back then.
00:38:56.460 And for much of my 20s, I've been at the same position on believing that the federal national
00:39:02.040 security state and the federal police state is fundamentally corrupt.
00:39:05.180 And whether that was under George Bush and Dick Cheney, or whether it's under Joe Biden
00:39:09.080 or anybody, any other administration today, it's not even about the political class.
00:39:13.620 It's about the unelected bureaucracy that needs to be exposed for its own corruption.
00:39:18.420 And I just think it is so important.
00:39:21.160 I do think it's important we win this election in a landslide.
00:39:23.680 And that's why I think it's important, Jack, that we talk about it in these terms.
00:39:27.120 This is not a Republican or a Democrat issue.
00:39:30.240 This is a 1776 issue, a conviction in the belief that we, the people, are the ones who
00:39:36.700 actually decide who governs, not an unelected, effectively monarchical bureaucracy that reflects
00:39:43.360 the old worldview.
00:39:44.540 We fought an American revolution for that reason.
00:39:46.600 And I think that is the choice in this Republican primary.
00:39:50.200 I think there are other earnest candidates who are in this that will tell you they want
00:39:53.120 to come in and reform the police state or reform the bureaucracy.
00:39:57.820 It is my conviction that reform is impossible.
00:40:01.340 I stand not on the side of reform.
00:40:02.820 I stand on the side of revolution.
00:40:04.840 And I think that is the choice in this primary.
00:40:06.780 We've got a seat with clear eyes.
00:40:08.340 Do you want reform?
00:40:09.300 If so, go with somebody else.
00:40:11.100 Do you want revolution?
00:40:12.340 If so, that's what I'm leading.
00:40:13.900 I believe in the principles of the American revolution.
00:40:15.980 And we should not apologize for the ideals that actually make us ourselves.
00:40:21.200 We've got one minute until break.
00:40:22.820 Let me ask you directly, because I promised the crowd that I would, I promised everyone
00:40:26.480 that I would.
00:40:27.020 Good.
00:40:27.480 Do you believe that if given the chance, they will move to put Donald Trump behind bars?
00:40:32.860 I think they will.
00:40:35.140 Yeah.
00:40:35.740 I think that this is the ultimate goal and destination.
00:40:39.560 They will not stop absent the intervention of real leadership.
00:40:43.560 That's why it's important that someone like me, for example, who is running against Trump
00:40:48.640 for the nomination, who has more credibility to stand on the side of principle against self-interest,
00:40:54.040 actually stands up and makes those legal arguments.
00:40:56.340 I've tried to be as rigorous as I have on the pages of the Wall Street Journal and otherwise.
00:41:00.600 That's why I called an RFK.
00:41:01.620 I was frankly, I was hopeful, maybe a little disappointed that he didn't come out in the
00:41:04.820 same way.
00:41:05.420 I think it adds more credibility to say, this is not about politics.
00:41:08.980 This is about principle.
00:41:10.160 And that's where I stand.
00:41:11.740 All right.
00:41:12.140 We're coming up on a break.
00:41:13.120 We're going to continue.
00:41:14.100 We're going to get into DeSantis, Ukraine.
00:41:16.280 Next segment coming up, Vivek Ramaswamy joins us here at Human Events.
00:41:19.420 When I grew up in the hood, I rolled with Bloods, and them boys had a saying.
00:41:26.760 You can't be listening to all that slappy, whack, trim out as all it's a bam ship, nippy
00:41:31.200 bam bam, like Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
00:41:36.080 All right.
00:41:36.540 We are back.
00:41:37.020 We've got a couple of minutes left with Vivek Ramaswamy.
00:41:39.280 Let's do a little bit of rapid fire because I know you've got to run.
00:41:41.440 This is also our last segment.
00:41:43.400 The first question about these polls, you've been riding high in the polls.
00:41:47.460 You've definitely gotten a boost.
00:41:48.660 I'm very biased on this, but you came and spoke to Turning Point Action, and I think
00:41:53.460 that is definitely responsible for some of that, showing that you were willing to go
00:41:57.440 in and meet with the grassroots the way that you did.
00:42:00.280 But I do also want to ask, and I don't think I've actually heard you answer this question
00:42:04.120 yet, why do you think that you have been able to come up so fast relative to Governor
00:42:11.160 DeSantis not being able to close the gap, whereas you've been able to show that you
00:42:15.260 can?
00:42:15.440 Well, I think that every advantage comes with its disadvantage.
00:42:21.640 So he has a giant super PAC that's funding his campaign, and that's a big competitive
00:42:25.500 advantage in being able to put ads up on television across the country.
00:42:29.500 I've made a $15 million investment, more than that, actually, of my own hard-earned money,
00:42:33.600 but it pales in comparison to the amount in his super PAC.
00:42:35.680 But the flip side is I want to be independent.
00:42:38.920 I do not want to be constrained in what I can and cannot say between what the mega-donor
00:42:43.880 class of the Republican Party wants their candidates to say.
00:42:47.600 There's a reason why I'm the only person who showed up in Miami and the only person,
00:42:51.920 you know, one of the few people who showed up at Turning Point, answered the questions
00:42:55.020 as candidly as I could with Tucker on stage.
00:42:57.100 I'd rather be unconstrained and speak the truth and lose the election than to win by
00:43:02.460 playing some political snakes and ladders.
00:43:04.720 It's not how I want to win.
00:43:06.120 And so I think for the other candidates, there are also other candidates, not just DeSantis.
00:43:08.960 I'm not picking on him.
00:43:10.500 This is the super PAC primary.
00:43:12.000 I think more than any election in history, even more so than the Democratic primary last
00:43:16.740 time around, this Republican primary is the super PAC primary.
00:43:21.260 And I think the problem with that is that creates a series of super PAC puppets.
00:43:25.400 And the super PAC puppets have a competitive advantage because they can buy a ton of airtime
00:43:29.920 as they're doing right now.
00:43:31.720 I mean, there's a, you know, $40 million ad buy that Tim Scott super PACs reportedly have
00:43:35.740 made.
00:43:36.260 Other super PACs have bought national super PAC money.
00:43:39.140 But that also restrains what you can say.
00:43:41.160 It restrains the truth that you're able to speak because the donor money in spigot, the
00:43:45.220 mega donor money turns off if you're speaking the truth as unsparingly as I am.
00:43:50.200 And so, you know what?
00:43:51.160 Each side has their own competitive advantages.
00:43:53.900 I stand on the side of speaking the truth, doing it unsparingly, doing it without constraint.
00:43:59.840 If that's what the people want, great.
00:44:02.060 I'm going to be the next president.
00:44:03.360 If not, that's the people's choice, not mine.
00:44:06.140 That's the way I look at this.
00:44:07.800 Well, that's actually a great jumping point for my next question then, because it seems
00:44:11.100 like on the question of Ukraine, you've been one of the only candidates willing to put
00:44:15.120 forward an actual solid plan.
00:44:17.140 And obviously, it's a negotiating process.
00:44:19.180 So, you know, that's a good opening bid.
00:44:20.980 Do you think that's the reason that some of these other candidates have been so vague
00:44:25.120 about their responses to the Ukraine crisis?
00:44:28.000 Yes, absolutely.
00:44:29.240 I mean, I have I can personally tell you from experience, there are large donors who have
00:44:33.120 said they cannot support me, given my position on Ukraine, which is a bit of a mystery, Jack,
00:44:37.920 because I don't think these are people who have large holdings in Raytheon or Lockheed
00:44:42.920 or something, and it's their financial interest.
00:44:44.640 It's something else going on.
00:44:46.180 And when we have more time, we should probably dive into the psychology of it.
00:44:49.880 But the fact is, the donor class does not permit you to take the position on Ukraine
00:44:53.560 that I've taken on.
00:44:55.240 I think the only people who can take it on are people who have independent money, like
00:44:57.960 Trump and myself.
00:44:58.700 And we're the only two who have, you know, there are other candidates who told Tucker
00:45:02.300 one thing and then immediately switch after their donors tell them to change their mind.
00:45:05.900 But my view is we got to advance American interests.
00:45:09.040 Here's the deal I would do.
00:45:10.660 Fact is, in a good deal, everybody has to get something out of the deal.
00:45:14.180 Here's what Putin gets.
00:45:15.620 A hard commitment that NATO will not admit Ukraine and freezing the current lines of control
00:45:20.120 in a Korean war style armistice agreement.
00:45:22.800 But here's what we get in return.
00:45:24.620 Putin has to exit his military alliance with China.
00:45:27.260 Right now, we're pushing Russia closer into China's arms.
00:45:31.460 I say do it the other way.
00:45:32.880 Restore normal economic relations with Russia.
00:45:35.380 Actually, make a hard commitment that NATO won't admit Ukraine.
00:45:39.740 And then I would, you know, some details.
00:45:41.280 Move the nukes out of Kaliningrad, which borders Poland.
00:45:43.940 Get the Russian military out of the Western Hemisphere, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua.
00:45:48.440 But yes, this is the starting point for the contours of a deal that I think will advance
00:45:52.880 American interests, will end the Ukraine war, resources that we should use to protect our
00:45:57.760 own border instead of somebody else's border halfway around the world.
00:46:01.160 But Jack, third and perhaps most importantly, this is how we deter China from going after
00:46:06.460 Taiwan without going to war over Taiwan.
00:46:09.380 Because China's bet is that they can go for Taiwan when Russia is actually in their camp.
00:46:13.920 But if Russia's not, they're going to have to think twice before making that move.
00:46:17.700 And that's not a donor class approved talking point.
00:46:20.980 But you know what?
00:46:22.080 This is going to be, I think that is the choice.
00:46:23.740 We're going to see it on the debate stage.
00:46:25.540 Super PAC puppets versus somebody who actually speaks independently.
00:46:29.220 It's going to be up to the voters of this country to decide.
00:46:31.900 One side gets to buy a lot more TV ads than the other.
00:46:34.360 But I have the advantage of being unconstrained and speaking truth.
00:46:37.100 And I do think that's what's driving our rise in the polls, thanks to conversations with
00:46:41.700 Tucker, the turning point event and otherwise.
00:46:43.760 That's what we're going to rely on in order to succeed here.
00:46:46.520 Let me hit you a couple of rapid fire questions.
00:46:48.960 Red flag laws.
00:46:50.120 You're familiar with red flag laws.
00:46:51.520 What's your position on that?
00:46:53.220 I'm against them.
00:46:54.100 I'm a Second Amendment hardliner.
00:46:56.160 But since this is rapid fire, take a look at my NRA speech.
00:47:00.460 That lays out the history.
00:47:02.460 I don't adopt these as sort of political positions.
00:47:05.220 I'm grounded in history.
00:47:06.160 And so I laid out a detailed historical case for that in my NRA speech earlier this year.
00:47:11.500 Great, great.
00:47:12.180 What about vaccines, vaccine mandates?
00:47:15.340 Dead set against vaccine mandates.
00:47:17.300 And I think that that was one of the major learnings from that last pandemic.
00:47:20.240 And I also want to point out a hypocrisy, Jack, that other people haven't yet pointed out.
00:47:23.980 And I know this because I've interfaced with the FDA, which is a disastrous and corrupt organization.
00:47:29.980 The same laws and agency that say you don't have the right to try.
00:47:33.900 For example, forget a mandate.
00:47:36.460 You don't even have the right to try a medicine that hasn't been through 10 years of testing.
00:47:41.400 That's how dangerous that could be.
00:47:43.640 Is the same agency in the same government that says that if there's a vaccine that's pushed through in less than a year, not only is it safe enough for you to try, it's safe enough to be mandated upon you on the basis of a lie.
00:47:55.480 And that's a hypocrisy that I don't think others have pointed out, but I think is the most obvious hypocrisy of the entire policy.
00:48:01.760 How about how about immigration, specifically a question of legal immigration?
00:48:06.600 Yeah.
00:48:06.840 So I am unapologetically a hardliner on using the military on the southern border on legal immigration.
00:48:12.480 I stand for merit based immigration.
00:48:14.480 Is that a bunch of tech guys in Silicon Valley?
00:48:16.140 No, actually, most of our job openings are in other functions that are unfulfilled.
00:48:19.980 But to me, there's two parts to merit based immigration, and the second part doesn't get talked about much.
00:48:24.740 One is contributions of skills to this country, but the second is civic commitments to this country.
00:48:31.080 So I would take the citizenship test of knowing about the Constitution, the separation of powers, the history of the U.S., and bring that to the front end and make that a requirement even to get a visa to come into the country.
00:48:42.260 And, by the way, I also think that every high school student who graduates from high school should have to pass that same civics test, too.
00:48:48.420 So that's where I land on that.
00:48:50.460 I heard you mention on TimCast, by the way, that you'd also introduce that for voting under, I think, 25 or 26.
00:48:56.820 Yes.
00:48:57.400 Yes.
00:48:57.960 So I would decriminalize the selective service requirement for men between 18 to 25, where you have to register on pain of criminal penalties.
00:49:04.840 I would decriminalize that.
00:49:05.820 Hey, looking at the time here, we are just about out of time.
00:49:08.960 Where can people go to follow you?
00:49:09.660 Pass the civics test is the answer.
00:49:11.380 People follow me, vivek2024.com.
00:49:14.940 Vivek2024.com is the site.
00:49:16.680 Thank you so much for joining us, for being here.
00:49:18.340 I'm glad we were able to get this together.