EPISODE 524： DESANTIS CAMPAIGN COLLAPSES, WW3 TENSIONS RISE BETWEEN POLAND AND RUSSIA
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On today's show: President Obama's chef dies in a car crash on Martha's Vineyard, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis fires a third of his campaign staff, and the rest of his staff is let go. Russia and Ukraine are accusing each other of launching a new wave of drone attacks on each other's ports, and a group of protesters demonstrate against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's new anti-Netanyahu legislation.
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For every lie they tell, we're going to get in their face and yell to truth. This is human
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events with your host, Jack Posobiec. Christ is my family is grieving after their personal
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chef drowned on Martha's Vineyard. Campbell, who the Obamas referred to as family, was
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visiting the vineyard. He went paddle boarding last night, fell into Great Pond, never came
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back up. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis was involved in a car crash this morning. It happened on
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a way to an event in Chattanooga, Tennessee. That's according to his spokesman. We're told
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DeSantis and his team were uninjured. This is Bidenomics, a plan to invest in America
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and build a future in which all people can truly thrive. The bottom line is they're trying
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to take a bad situation and say, by golly, prosperity is just around the corner. It's
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bad, but you don't really know how good it's going to become. Keep us in. Elections have
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consequences. And if voters want to see meaningful climate action, they're going to have to vote
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in in the next election. Politicians who are willing to act and to support global action
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on climate. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, if he were here, would tell you that this legislation
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is necessary to curb the powers of the unelected Supreme Court and restore the supremacy of the
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Israeli parliament. But many of these demonstrators will say they genuinely believe that if the legislation
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today goes through, it is the beginning of the end of Israeli democracy. Russia and Ukraine are
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accusing each other of launching a new wave of drone attacks overnight. In the Odessa region,
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Ukraine says Russia has targeted more of its ports. In Moscow, meantime, the defense ministry says it
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intercepted two drones in what has been called a terror attack by Kiev. Would you stop the money to
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Ukraine at this point? I get the war settled. The money is number one. Ladies and gentlemen,
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welcome aboard. Today's edition of human events live powered by Jack Posobiec. Today is July 25th,
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2023. I know Domina, huge news hitting politico.com. Governor DeSantis campaign has fired, cut, let go,
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whatever you want to call it. More than one third of their campaign staff as they're not so great
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reset is continuing from politico. The cuts, which were confirmed by advisors will amount to a total
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of 38 jobs shed across an array of departments. Now it appears that this is, they're letting go
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to senior advisors, top to bottom, and they're getting, you're getting these comments about
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top to bottom review, expanded cuts, looking into what's going on. Now keep in mind, this is coming
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off the backs of a donor retreat, which was held in the extremely prestigious Deer Valley, Utah,
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beautiful resort out there, very close to Twin Peaks. Advisors outlined plans for DeSantis,
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who has been criticized reading from politico for overseeing a bloated operation to reposition
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himself as an underdog. Uh, at the same time, we're also hearing that the positions that have
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been cut are not necessarily, um, anyone at the anyone above the fold, shall we say no one on the
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masthead is leaving. These are mid level to low level staffers. So the leadership is not changing
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the campaign manager, the senior advisors, people like Janar Peck, people like Ryan Tyson. These guys
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will all still be around. This is also coming as rumors are circulating the Jeff Rowe and never back
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down are potentially looking for other candidates. They're shopping around for other candidates to get
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in the race, potentially a Brian Kemp, governor Kemp of Georgia, or even potentially Glenn Youngkin.
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Now, Jeff Rowe is the former general consultant for the Glenn Youngkin campaign. His firm ran that
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campaign. They were very successful in Virginia. They have a very close relationship, so it shouldn't
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come as a surprise, but huge news. I would say, I would actually say this is earth shattering news
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in terms of the primary. We've got a huge show. Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer is going to be
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joining us later in the hour, talking about Ukraine, talking about a new potential flashpoint
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for an operation, possibly covert operation, similar to the Nord Stream 2 bombing. Natalie Winters will be
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joining us next. But when we talk about this primary, when we talk about what's going on to,
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to have seen the political fortune shift so massively from January to the midsummer of July with this for
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the governor, for Tallahassee, this is not where anyone, I think, in Tallahassee expected Governor
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DeSantis to be by July. I don't think this is anywhere where they thought the campaign was going to be.
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I think they were going to be making, they thought they'd be making headway. They did not think they'd
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be polling at 16% nationwide with the amount of money, the amount of support they had. Stay tuned.
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We'll be right back. Natalie Winters is going to come up. I want to get her take on all of this,
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but then also go through some of the incredible scoops that she's been launching over at the war.
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Stay tuned. Human events will be right back. And folks, we're not going anywhere. So regardless of
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happens before it happens. I'm always listening to Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
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All right, Jack Posobiec, here we are back, Washington, D.C. I want to bring on now Natalie
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Winters. You know her from the war room. You may also not know, though, that Natalie Winters is a former
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human events writer. Isn't that right, Natalie? Former human events writer.
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That is true. The first article I actually ever published was for Human Events, and I believe it
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was called The Left's Weaponization of Journalism. So I'm taking credit for the, I would say, popularity
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of the term weaponization. That was all the way back in 2019. I was ahead of the curve. But I covered
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the We Build the Wall Border Symposium with, of course, Raheem Kassam wrote some articles there.
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So I am, like I said, returning to my roots by coming back on Human Events Daily.
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Well, Natalie, and just so you know, whenever you're done working with war room and you want
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to come actually work for a real publication, a real news outlet, then you give us a call because
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we're going to keep your seat completely open for you here at Human Events.
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Thank you. You know, I told Steve the ads that they were running on the old iteration of the
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war room.org website, those were a deal breaker for me. They had to drop them or else they wouldn't
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be. They were, they were pretty bad. We're not gonna, we're not gonna get in there. We're not
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gonna get into the ads that we run because every, every time I get into that with the website guys
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over there, I say, guys, could we have, do we have to have this ad there? I don't like seeing this
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next to my face. If it's like a picture of me on the show or something. And then I get this whole
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in and it's like, what do you want us to do? We have to pay for the site, Jack. We have to pay
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for the site page. Anyway, it's a long story. It's a long story. Natalie went, but let's talk
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about, let's talk about finances because it is important and you're a real journalist and you
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belong with other real journalists at Human Events. But when we understand finances, when we
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understand this, Governor DeSantis, shocking news, I would say throughout the primary to see a
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governor who was top of his game just six months ago, riding high, coffers full, announces for the
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presidency, and now to be polling 16%, flirting with single digits on a trajectory for single digits
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now nationwide, cutting up to a third of this. I think it's something like 50 staffers that have
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now been let go in just the past week. What happened? How do you go from, from that to this
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in such a rapid time? Well, and by the way, juxtapose this with how a hot Donald Trump is
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coming and has really continued to be coming in on the campaign trail. I mean, we were just
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obviously up there at Bedminster. We saw what he was doing with the sound of freedom screening,
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actually bringing forth meaningful substantive change, talking about issues that matter.
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And the best the DeSantis campaign can do is have some weird event with, you know,
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B-list influencers in Deer Valley. And then, of course, you're going to see them hemorrhaging
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campaign staff because it's not really even so much of a financial matter. I think it's frankly
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just the people, the grassroots, the activists support for him. It was never really there to
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begin with. I think it was a smokescreen that they sort of tried to cover by using funds of the people
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like, you know, Ken Griffith, these huge mega donors whose interests are by no means vested in
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the working class of this country, but are vested in, you know, their returns as members and high
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profile members of Wall Street running firms like Citadel, which are, of course, closely linked
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with the Chinese Communist Party. But I think it really was just a matter of time. There really
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was just a lag time between the projections and fantasies of the DeSantis campaign that was really
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bolstered by the sizable funds of people like Ken Griffith and reality, which is frankly, I subscribe
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to the mindset that no matter how much money you have, you can't get the MAGA base, you can't get the
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grassroots activists to turn up and show support, especially when you don't even have the nerve
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to show up to events like Turning Point USA's ACCON down in Palm Beach to speak and address the
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crowd there. It's not a one-way street. And that's why I think he's stuck with, like you said, a third
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of his campaign staff and really just a gaggle of weirdos out in Deer Valley.
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Well, and it's interesting. So can you tease that through for us a little bit more,
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this idea of how big of an effect was it for the DeSantis campaign, this decision to skip the
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Turning Point Action event? And then instead, we see these images of him going and spending time
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with high-dollar donors in one of these private luxury resorts.
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I think it's honestly one of the weirdest political calculuses that I've seen made in modern history.
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And what I mean by that is that, well, frankly, independent of him actually deciding to run for
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president. But, you know, frankly, I think Ron DeSantis takes the MAGA base, takes the sort of
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grassroots activist community, really for granted. I think you see that first and foremost, particularly
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with people in Florida, right? He told people he wasn't going to run. He was sort of vague about
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whether or not he was going to step down. There was some weirdness about campaign funds being used,
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whether for the governorship or for his presidential race. So I think there's just a lack of respect
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there. But to not show up and actually engage with the grassroots, the people there, you know,
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at that Turning Point Act Con who flew miles, hundreds, thousands of miles to go to that event,
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how can you say you're serious about actually representing the people when you can't even
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spend an hour talking to them? You know, if you're scared of what the optics are, if you're going to
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get booed, how the heck are you supposed to take on the deep state if you can't even take on,
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you know, Turning Point Act Con. But I think just the fundamental issue is that he's never actually
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felt beholden to the grassroots, to the activists. Because if you look at the average donation size
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to his campaign and where the primary source of his funding is coming from, it's not coming from
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the grassroots. It's not coming from the people who support candidates like Donald Trump. It's coming
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from the Ken Griffiths of the world. So of course, he's going to prioritize spending time with them
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because he knows that's really his only, not even last hope, but it's his only hope.
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Like I said, it really is, it's an offense, I think, to the American people. And it's an insult
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to their intelligence that we don't really see what's going on here. You know, the MAGA base,
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as you know, Jack, the people who watch Steve's show, who watch your show are extremely well informed
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on all of the issues. And they know why Ron DeSantis isn't coming to these events. It's because he
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doesn't care. It's because at the end of the day, unlike Donald Trump, he is beholden
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to the corporate donor class. And it's always been about money for him.
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Natalie, and I know we didn't actually plan to talk about this, but I know you've done
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other reporting specifically on Citadel, on Sequoia Capital, some of these groups. You mentioned that
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they're tied to the Chinese Communist Party. Can you walk us through that a little bit? How is it that
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you have these American business leaders that are so tied, their profits and their bottom line
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tied to the Chinese Communist Party? It makes no sense. I mean, those are our adversaries, I thought.
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Yeah, we can take Ken Griffith and Citadel as an example, because he really was one of the, I think,
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loudest supporters of Ron DeSantis. And primarily, he was kind of rolled out by the media, because he had
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backed Donald Trump previously, but then realized that Donald Trump, I would argue, actually confronted
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the Chinese Communist Party. So he pivoted to sort of an empty vessel candidate, like Ron DeSantis.
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But, you know, Citadel, put it this way, the same day that Ken Griffith announced that he would be
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backing Ron DeSantis and basically discarding Donald Trump, was the same exact day that there
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was an article published in Bloomberg, where Ken Griffith is quoted as saying that they are going
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to basically double down on their investments in China, and that they're looking to get investment
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and basically broker licenses from the Chinese Communist Party to be able to expand their
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operations there. And I'm sure people who watch your show are familiar the way that the economy
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is run there. You know, there are some similarities to here in the United States, they really rule it
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with an iron fist in terms of allowing companies to enter nine times out of 10. If you have a board,
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you have to have a Chinese Communist Party member on your board, sort of liaising with the regime to
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make sure that what you're doing is in accordance. And Citadel really has a massive wide scale operation
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in China. They've been fined by Chinese Communist Party regulators and have been trying to get those
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fines lifted and basically get separate licenses so they can broaden their reach in there. But to me,
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I think the fundamental issue, as someone who, as you know, has really focused on Chinese Communist
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Party influence, if the Chinese Communist Party did not want Ron DeSantis, right, if they thought
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that he was going to be an impediment to them and their ability to rule and really monopolize political
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power here in the United States, they would not be allowing Ken Griffith to support him, right?
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The Chinese Communist Party is coming out boldly in opposition to Donald Trump, right? They are not
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allies with anyone in the MAGA movement, the grassroots movement, with what Donald Trump has
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done in seeking to really oust the Chinese Communist Party from power. But all these Wall Street types,
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the Ken Griffiths, of which there are many, don't miss the forest for the trees with him,
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they know that they're safe to support Ron DeSantis and that that's not going to ruffle any
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feathers with the Chinese Communist Party. And frankly, I think that's the biggest tell that there
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is. Well, it comes down to this, right? It comes down to this. And I've talked about it a million
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times. You've talked about a million times. It comes down to the question of tariffs, because we've had
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these groups like the Club for Chinese Growth running around saying, oh, we need free trade. We need the free
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flow of capital. We need the free flow of labor. The same guys are for open borders, by the way.
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That's different. That doesn't exactly affect China. But an interesting thing to point out,
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I should add. And the reason is because they know that President Trump or anyone, right, anyone who
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came in with a populist nationalist agenda, put people like Robert Lighthizer, people like Peter
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Navarro in positions of power, that is exactly what would turn back the tide, stem the tide of the
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Chinese Communist Party's growth, their coffers, which have gone all in because it's simple,
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right? The deal was made all the way back. We did the China files. We explained all this.
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The deal was made back in the 1980s under George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush's father,
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that you will be the slave labor. You're going to be the factory of the world. We're going to gut the
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Midwest. We're going to gut the South. We're going to gut Appalachia, all the jobs,
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the steel, the rust. That's the reason the rust belt is the rust belt. And we wonder why it is
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that Ron DeSantis, even when you look in these terms of early state polls, he's not doing well
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I always say that really is the original sin of the globalist economic model, right? The outsourcing
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of jobs to China, and that's relying on the Chinese Communist Party being empowered to be able to suppress
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their people, the Lao Bai Jing. And I think Americans can see, because you know what?
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Republicans, frankly, since Donald Trump, since before him, they've been fed up with these empty
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vessel candidates that stand for nothing, have no backbones, except the manufactured talking points
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that the Republican establishment and their donors sort of inject and put into them.
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And I think Ron DeSantis, in part because of his absolutely bizarre character and the way he comports
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himself, I think they see him just as one of these other Mitt Romney, John McCain, just Glenn Youngkin,
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you know, as Steve always says, plug and play, just kind of NPC types where there's just not a lot
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going on there. And the talking points that they're pushing out are not in line with what the MAGA base,
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the grassroots activists want. They're in line with what Wall Street wants.
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Folks, we are going to come back because Natalie Winters has other scoops for us that actually
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promised her we would get to. But unfortunately, we have we have breaking news. And that's the
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business, folks. So stay tuned. We get a lot from Natalie Winters coming up next.
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I encourage people to if you're interested in foreign policy, you got to follow Jack.
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All right, folks, we're back. Human events. Look, I think we all know and we all understand at this
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point, by dynamics, it doesn't work. It doesn't work for you. It doesn't work for your family.
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But this is what they're going to do. They're going to push hyperinflation to try to get the
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because you've got some incredible look, you mentioned, by the way, that we were up there at
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Bedminster last week. We did how I don't even know how many hours you did on air. I think I did three.
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I think you did like five hours on air. Historic evening. Absolute historic weekend. Yes. Yeah.
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By the way, this is Natalie at 50% folks. You don't want to see her all the way dialed up. You don't want
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that. You really don't want that. But we saw the sound of freedom. And that was my, I think,
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third time seeing it maybe up there. It's very emotional. It's very moving. It hits you from all
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directions. But the fact of the matter is that this is a salient issue, not only because it's
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something that we care about in the world, but it's also something that can be affected by the federal
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government because we're sitting there in the room. And I thought about this later that, you know,
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President Trump wasn't just someone who's watching the movie. He's someone who actually actively managed
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the national security agencies. And we knew he took it that seriously because the very next day,
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he said that he would be reinvesting in child trafficking, protect prevention and agents going
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after this, and then also instituting the death penalty for child traffickers. But Natalie,
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you found some information about what the Biden DOJ is up to, or should I say not up to when it
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comes to this issue, didn't you? Yes. Something is very rotten at the DOJ. As Steve and I always say,
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you know, make it make sense. And these are, this is one of the stories that I just, I don't think you
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can really do that with. So the predecessor to the one that you have up on the screen right now,
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because we'll link it together because I think it represents really more of a systemic problem
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within the Biden regime, not just sort of a one-off incidence, a technological glitch,
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which is what I'm sure they would say. But in the child exploitation division of the Department
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of Justice's website, they have various tabs that under the Trump administration were really
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fleshed out to have a lot of information about what exactly constitutes child sex trafficking,
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the various criminal statutes that apply, how to prevent it, and frankly, how open borders
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allows for the international basically importing, importation of children that allows this horrific,
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horrific crime to continue. And what's so interesting is that the Biden regime in May
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of this year revised several webpages to consciously and intentionally delete information about the,
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quote, international sex trafficking of children. So I'll walk you through the two pages that I uncovered.
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The first had to do with just listing these subject areas basically of concern that this child
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exploitation division was tasked with focusing on. They used to have four headings. It was child sex
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trafficking, international sex trafficking of minors, domestic sex trafficking of minors, and child
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prostitution. Now the website, like I said, as of May of this year, they deleted the last three terms that
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I just said, and all they have on there is child sex trafficking. And if you read the article, you can see
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they specifically omit the parts that have to do with how open borders and international trade allows
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for children to be more easily imported into the United States. And then the sort of second offense
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that they committed was on a page that was the citizen's guide to U.S. federal law on child sex
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trafficking. They deleted hundreds of words from it, again, really focusing on the international aspect
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of it. And they used to list about five or six statutes from the U.S. code that were the relevant
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ones to the crime of child sex trafficking. But they erased all of them except for one, just the kind
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of plain and simple child sex trafficking and the number. And it really is one of those stories and
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questions where I'm left and I'm usually not perplexed. I usually try to understand everything
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before I put stories out. But the Biden regime has been totally silent. I've put the story up a week,
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two weeks ago. They haven't said anything. And from what I can tell, there are a lot more web pages
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that they've done similar sort of revisions on. And I think the primary question is why?
00:23:36.960
To summarize it, what they're doing is President Trump had detailed, fully extensive guides,
00:23:45.620
citizens guides, how to track this stuff, how to look for it, warning signs, all the rest. And what Biden
00:23:51.440
has done is essentially put up a placeholder saying, oh, you know, child trafficking is bad.
00:23:56.580
And, you know, keep calm and carry on. We're taking care of it. That's what's going on. It's a
00:24:01.540
complete whitewash of what's going on. And then when these outlets like Rolling Stone, CNN, the
00:24:08.980
Washington Post come around and say, oh, child sex trafficking, that's that's QAnon level where they
00:24:13.840
could point to the Department of Justice and say, oh, look, the Department of Justice doesn't even have
00:24:18.320
this up on their website. Yeah, that's really, I think, the most bizarre aspect of it. And
00:24:24.720
it's not like this is just an isolated incident within the Biden regime when you contextualize
00:24:30.500
this really in the broader frame of the policies that they've been pursuing, particularly on the
00:24:35.340
southern border. And I'm not just talking leaving it wide open, but the dropping of requiring DNA
00:24:40.100
tests when they see family units and children come. And of course, I think, too, it links back to
00:24:45.500
really what is the grooming of children, pushing ideologies like transgenderism and however many
00:24:51.000
genders there are. You know, if there's 100, maybe there's 120 tomorrow. But pushing this on
00:24:56.140
children, I think the fundamental driving force is to rob children of their innocence. I think it
00:25:01.700
starts by putting these bizarre, radical gender ideologies in their head, of course, coming after
00:25:06.340
the nuclear family, which I know you discuss at length. But I think sort of the uncomfortable truth
00:25:11.300
of this is that the final step, the sort of ultimate transgression of this ability, this quest to rob
00:25:18.060
children of their innocence, which we see a full scale crusade coming from the Biden regime to do,
00:25:23.380
I think does resort in child sex trafficking, does resort in pedophilia, does resort in some of these
00:25:28.960
uncomfortable crimes that no one wants to talk about until for the, you know, thank goodness of
00:25:34.380
films like Sound of Freedom that are forcing that uncomfortable conversation. But I really think that this is the
00:25:40.160
logical conclusion of a lot of the policies and just ideologies that the Biden regime is spreading and
00:25:46.720
spewing in American classrooms. And frankly, they're covering up for them all the way to the DOJ's website. And if
00:25:54.100
they're doing that so boldly to a taxpayer funded publicly accessible website, if they feel confident enough to
00:25:59.860
revise and quite literally delete international sex trafficking from a website made to call attention to the actual
00:26:05.780
crime and help, you know, save children and this horrible act, could you imagine what they're doing
00:26:10.580
behind the scenes? I don't, I don't even I don't even want to know.
00:26:14.160
Well, look, and we've already seen the testimony from FBI whistleblowers, Kyle Serafin coming forward and
00:26:21.140
stating unequivocally that when Biden's DOJ came in, they took people from the child trafficking task force and then
00:26:29.580
moved them over to political investigations, political corruption, etc. You know, I'm sure making
00:26:35.560
sure that they weren't going to cover any of the corruption tied to Biden and his family. But even even
00:26:41.180
beyond the partisan elements of it, the fact of the matter is the child sex trafficking shouldn't be a
00:26:47.200
partisan issue. This you'd think if there were anything, and maybe I'll ask you that, why do you suppose
00:26:53.400
it is that this issue has become so, so politicized in this country? Are we just that polarized that
00:26:59.760
everything has to be tribal now? You know, I think the answer to that question sort of is the question
00:27:06.980
itself. In other words, the people who are really upset and have made this a partisan issue, I think
00:27:12.340
it's because they're covering up for the fact that there is one side of the political spectrum that I
00:27:17.940
think has more of an issue with this. Like I said, you have to contextualize it, I think, in their
00:27:23.300
broader campaign and push for this radical gender ideology, I think woke is too euphemistic a term,
00:27:30.360
but really the subversion of children's innocence. And I would argue Republicans, of course, always fail
00:27:36.180
to step up and prevent it from happening in the schools. But it's the far left Democrats who are
00:27:41.060
attempting to put it in the schools in the first place. So I think that's sort of why there is this
00:27:45.400
unnatural affinity between sort of the corporate mainstream media press and the left wing on this
00:27:51.340
issue, because I think they typically are in lockstep.
00:27:54.600
Well, Natalie, let me tell you, we've got a couple of minutes left. Let me tie that back to something
00:27:58.220
you said earlier today. You said that a coup of our military has already taken place. I think that
00:28:04.960
law enforcement at the national level, the IC, this ties into it. What does that mean? Why are you saying
00:28:09.380
that now? Sure. So we were talking on War Room about how, you know, with the new, what is it,
00:28:16.660
the general or the joint chief of staff that they're trying to confirm through the Senate.
00:28:21.840
And we were, you know, up in arms because this guy is really a Marxist through and through,
00:28:26.600
both in practice and in preach. And I was saying that, you know, yeah, I guess they still have to
00:28:32.580
confirm him. He hasn't been confirmed yet. But the fact that they feel so comfortable even advocating
00:28:37.260
and pushing for someone like this, I think really shows you how far we've fallen. And the story that I
00:28:42.340
was discussing in that, in that video that that news outlet wrote up, it had to do back actually
00:28:47.860
when I was working for human events. The true reason that I ended up working at human events, I was
00:28:53.380
originally slated to intern at the Pentagon in 2019 under Trump. But when I showed up there, I talked, I
00:29:00.520
was talking to one of the undersecretaries and he asked me, you know, why I was interested in defense, why I was
00:29:05.480
interested in working at the Pentagon. And I told him I wanted to end the forever wars. Like I was not
00:29:11.520
into that. I wasn't looking to become a defense contractor. I hated the Chinese Communist Party
00:29:16.300
and how they were broadening their foothold in the United States. And I was really, really most
00:29:19.760
concerned about Islamic subversion and really encroachment in the United States. And he looked
00:29:24.700
at me like I was crazy. And he said, look, like, I'm one of the few Trump appointees who you can say
00:29:30.080
that to me and I'm on the same page as you. But there's maybe only one other person like me here
00:29:34.860
and everyone else. If you were to say that to them, you wouldn't go nowhere in this building. You'd probably
00:29:39.700
get fired or, you know, sent to a desk in Alaska. You'd get absolutely no assignments. You wouldn't
00:29:45.300
have any work to do. He said, you need to say that you're interested in protecting, you know,
00:29:49.800
women's rights in the Middle East. That's a politically correct issue to be passionate about.
00:29:54.340
And it was in that moment that I really realized that I stand by it. There has been a coup
00:29:59.440
by the administrative state, by the people who don't subscribe to the Trump mindset of what our
00:30:05.520
Natalie, we are, that is, that's incredible reporting. I want to get more from you. I'd
00:30:10.120
love to see it at humanevents.com. Just saying, maybe, maybe see, maybe do a cross-posting
00:30:15.060
thing. We can do, we can do like, you know, Steve will let you write something for us maybe
00:30:19.440
once in a while. Natalie's opinion. We'll call it Natalie's Corner. We'll call it Natalie's
00:30:24.000
Corner. Natalie, where can people go to get all of your stuff at least currently and to follow
00:30:29.040
Well, in the meantime, you can go to warroom.org to get my stories and you can find me on Twitter,
00:30:34.860
Instagram, Facebook, get our all, basically all the platforms at Natalie G. Winters. And
00:30:42.300
Thanks, Natalie. God bless you. God bless all your work. We'll be coming up right next with
00:30:47.680
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bring him back. Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer joins us here to talk about the latest in the
00:32:52.100
Ukraine conflict that's going on Ukraine, Russia. Tony, the last time we had you on, we were talking
00:32:59.120
about how the counter-offensive was stalling out. The NATO summit was just about to happen.
00:33:04.080
We were looking at the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant. Zielinski said there was about to be an
00:33:10.180
attack on the power plant. That never happened. Do you think, do you think it's, it seems like
00:33:15.760
somebody blinked in that situation. Was that a blink? Because it felt like they were building up to
00:33:20.520
something and then it never happened, which by the way, I'm glad because you'd think that a nuclear
00:33:25.800
incident would be the red line of all red lines. Yeah. I think, uh, to that point, Jack, nobody was
00:33:32.020
buying it. Uh, the one thing you have to do in a false flag. And I think it was going to be a false
00:33:38.120
flag. I think the Ukrainians are going to do it and blame it on Russia is you have to, you have to
00:33:42.060
make it credible. And there was just no credibility. I think everybody saw what was going on. And the
00:33:47.520
more, uh, Zelensky protested, the Russians are going to do something. It's more like, uh, there's no
00:33:52.260
indication than the IAEA, the international atomic agency, which oversees nuclear plants coming out
00:33:57.860
and saying, yeah, we see no evidence of this. I think the, I think the gig was up. There was just
00:34:02.300
no way they were going to be able to pull it off and everybody would have known instantly. And that
00:34:05.380
wouldn't have helped their cause because as you said, last time we spoke, uh, the offensive was not
00:34:11.200
going well, uh, by all accounts, uh, if it wasn't going well, then it's going horribly now because we're
00:34:17.800
talking about, uh, upwards of 50% attrition of the Bradley fighting vehicles. Everyone announced
00:34:23.620
that they're saying about 20, 25%. I think it's closer to 50. Every, uh, every sustainer on the
00:34:31.220
planet who understands how to keep Bradley's going or is moving to Ukraine to try to recover these
00:34:36.040
darn things. And then, um, by all accounts, the leopards aren't doing well. And anybody who wants to
00:34:41.920
kind of understand what's going on, I recommend they go study, uh, the battle of Kursk during
00:34:48.280
World War II, also in July of 1943 tank battle in history, largest tank battle in history, but you
00:34:54.900
can't, it's not a one for one. You've got to just look at the symmetry of the, of, of what happened
00:34:59.320
and Russia, uh, you know, what Russia and Ukraine is doing. And there's, there's many similarities,
00:35:09.200
uh, real quick, uh, and the battle of Kursk, the Germans introduced new technology that the, uh,
00:35:15.280
the Panther five and the Panther six, also known as the King tiger, uh, they were introduced very
00:35:21.980
effective for the time, but, uh, they were not effective enough to stop the Russians from
00:35:29.160
overwhelming the German forces. Same thing here. The Ukrainians have all this great new technology
00:35:34.200
supposed to overcome any numeric advantage of the Russians not working. And so there's many
00:35:39.880
parallels too many to get into here. I, we could probably even do a full show on the parallels,
00:35:44.160
but suffice to say, look at how, uh, that whole battle unfolded. And I think you're going to see
00:35:51.380
a lot of similarities of how the Russians are, are basically following a very similar strategy to
00:35:57.820
overwhelm the Ukrainians. And one other thing requests, Sersky, uh, general Sersky, Colonel Sersky,
00:36:03.380
Colonel General Sersky, and, um, uh, the other general, which, uh, uh, I'll get his name in
00:36:09.800
in a second, uh, uh, Zaluzny are not on the same sheet. Zaluzny being the overall commander of forces,
00:36:16.520
Sersky being the commander of ground forces. Sersky is focused on go, retaining, uh, going and taking
00:36:22.320
back the territory in the North. Uh, Zaluzny is focused on Crimea, just wanting Crimea. He's,
00:36:27.780
it's like his white, white whale. It's that's, that's what he's focused on. And because of that,
00:36:32.460
Jack, you're a military guy there, they've never been able to establish battlefield, uh, focus
00:36:40.120
relating to the most of the, the, the biggest number of forces available to go pick a spot
00:36:46.560
and go through. They've had four or five. It's been very disheveled, horribly run. Uh, I, I think
00:36:53.380
Mark Milley approved all this nonsense. So at least if, if so, uh, it's very clear that there was never
00:36:59.440
any, uh, combat cohesion and Zaluzny and, uh, uh, Sersky going in different directions was never
00:37:08.380
going to be something that would help the Ukrainians achieve. And I think it's why that's
00:37:12.260
also why Zaluzny was largely absent from media, uh, in, in the entire run-up to this. But Tony,
00:37:19.120
I, I, there's another piece of this that I'd like to get in and we've got a break coming out in a
00:37:23.620
couple of minutes, but we'll go over it. Um, that has to do with a phrase that we're seeing more and
00:37:28.980
more chatter in the media. Now it's called the Suvalki gap. And they're saying Purgosian and
00:37:34.960
Wagner, they're headed over to Belarus. They're manning up on the Suvalki gap, Poland descending
00:37:40.660
materiel. They're sending APCs up to the Suvalki gap. So we've got the map up there for folks who
00:37:46.540
don't understand or aren't familiar with the, with the area of walk us through what is the
00:37:50.440
significance of the Suvalki gap? What is it? Well, this is a common access point for Russia
00:37:57.100
to have access to the Baltic sea. And, and, and, and basically you have a number of countries
00:38:03.140
which are involved. As a matter of fact, one of the few things I'll ever agree with political on
00:38:08.780
political called this place, the most dangerous place on earth. It's like, wow, one time out of a
00:38:14.360
million political got something right. And it's, and it, they are correct. So you've got the Russians,
00:38:19.320
you've got the Lithuanians, you've got the Poles, uh, you've got NATO that has the overall
00:38:24.700
responsibility regarding the security of the region, uh, and of course the EU. So this is where
00:38:31.940
all the interests of all the parties truly come together. Cause by the way, this was true during
00:38:37.760
the cold war, uh, during the cold war, Jack, we recognized that if there was ever going to be a
00:38:44.020
flashpoint that we would probably be able to draw from and figure out everybody's going to war,
00:38:48.680
this was it. So I think the same, it can be said now with all the interests of the different parties
00:38:53.740
regarding keeping that, that gap open. It's very small, it's very compact, but a lot of things
00:39:00.380
happen there. And so I think many folks recognize that there's going to be miscalculation or aggression
00:39:07.940
that, that triggers world war three, like during cold, during the cold war, a lot of folks think
00:39:13.560
is going to happen at this gap. And, and just, just to break it down for folks that, that don't
00:39:18.540
get to see the map, you've got, you've got this exclave of Russia. So Russian territory that is
00:39:24.580
non-contiguous with the rest of the, what they call the union state of Russia and Belarus. So it's
00:39:30.620
directly across from Belarus, separated by a very short line of the border between Poland and Lithuania.
00:39:38.240
So in order to resupply this area with food, material, et cetera, the EU has sent trains
00:39:44.860
across. They have this basically agreement between the EU, Belarus and Russia to be able to send
00:39:50.460
supply trains, passengers at times. The stress on that specifically has been immense since the
00:39:57.840
sanctions have been put on. Now it looks like it may become an initial flashpoint in the area
00:40:04.260
because also the other borders are now all being shut down between Poland, Kaliningrad, the rest.
00:40:10.720
At the same time, you had Russians at one point arguing that they wanted a, a Russian corridor
00:40:15.440
to be opened, a special highway, special railway, just for them. Poland pushing back saying, Hey,
00:40:21.440
that sounds a lot like what, what the Germans were asking for when it came to Gdansk and Danzig back
00:40:26.120
in the 1930s. So it's obviously there's a lot of emotional issues. There are a lot of historic issues
00:40:31.340
that play into it. Also into the, I think the nicest way I could put it, the, the less than
00:40:39.880
stable relationship between Poland and Russia over the years. And so we were coming up on a break here,
00:40:45.860
Tony, but I want to get into you this, this theory that I've seen people posting around out there.
00:40:51.460
It's a thesis that I think is possible. This flashpoint, when we're talking about potential
00:40:57.280
operations, intelligence operations, what happens if somebody takes out that rail line between
00:41:04.600
Belarus and Kaliningrad across the Sivalki gap? Could we see the potential for major destabilization
00:41:13.520
of Ukraine and NATO in this current moment? Stay tuned. Tony Schaefer is going to break it down for us.
00:41:18.300
When I grew up in the hood, I rolled with bloods and them boys had a saying. You can't be listening
00:41:25.440
to all that slappy whack trim out his outlet, it's a bam ship, nippy, bam, bam, like human events with
00:41:31.140
Jack Posobiec. All right, we're back here, Washington, DC, Jack Posobiec, human events,
00:41:37.680
Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer. So let's walk through what would it look like? What would a scenario
00:41:42.420
look like if one of these trains were traveling between Belarus and Kaliningrad, or even just one
00:41:51.080
morning we wake up and the train is about to go across, but it turns out that that rail line,
00:41:56.260
that key strategic rail line between Belarus, which is the union state of Belarus and Russia
00:42:01.860
and Kaliningrad, there's a massive explosion. There's the tracks have been severed. We can't
00:42:07.800
figure out what's going on. I mean, we've seen attacks in Moscow, we've seen attacks down on on
00:42:13.060
the Danube this week right now. So Russia getting very, very close with I'm hoping they're using their
00:42:18.980
most precision targeted, you know, guided munitions when they're when they're getting directly across
00:42:23.820
the river from NATO territory. And of course, we've seen the Nord Stream 2 explosion. Would it be
00:42:29.780
outside of the realm of possibility when we're talking about essentially that same Baltic rim
00:42:35.680
to see an explosion on in the Suvalki gap that could spin us towards World War three? What would
00:42:42.960
it look like? Walk us through the scenario. So it depends on who does it, Jack. I mean,
00:42:47.260
that's where you have to, you know, who, but who benefits who would benefit? Well, we know what
00:42:50.940
the media would be saying on day one, the media would be out there, CNN. Oh, oh, this was this
00:42:55.700
Russia. This is Putin. This is it's always no, no evidence, no, no investigation. But we're told
00:43:02.280
that this we would be told this was an attack on NATO. Right, exactly. So that's where you'd have
00:43:08.480
to start. And then trying to unravel it, because the closest analogy I can find, try to help illustrate
00:43:15.440
this for your audiences, what happened during Berlin. So Berlin was another contended space,
00:43:21.500
where everybody wanted a piece of it, a lot of the same players. And the tensions there were very
00:43:27.020
high, especially at one point when the Soviets shut down access to Berlin airlift, a lot of things
00:43:32.280
were going on. Armies on both sides really prepared for war. So I think that's what you're going to see
00:43:37.760
before you see any overt conflict. Say a train is blown up. It's going to take about a week for
00:43:44.240
everybody to kind of go through the reaction process, the hair on fire, the day after the
00:43:50.340
accusations, the recriminations. You know, it's like it's like going through the different the five
00:43:55.820
different steps of grief. The same thing happens here when you have an event like this, people have
00:43:59.980
to go through stages. But after the first week, I think you would see more rational people trying to
00:44:04.980
figure out what to do next. What will what would happen out of that is you would probably see mass
00:44:11.560
activation of military forces, both sides, because if the Russians didn't do it, and they're being
00:44:18.480
blamed, they're going to be prepared to get expand their military conflict because they think they're
00:44:22.480
going to be attacked. NATO is going to do the same thing. And so like during the Cold War, during many
00:44:28.180
alerts, you always saw this ratcheting up of military forces. I was a reservist. I was sent to
00:44:35.360
Germany on something called Reforger, Return of Forces to Germany, 1985, as part of force protection
00:44:42.120
operations. We were prepared to go to war. You know, that was during the Reagan days and a lot
00:44:48.380
of high tension. Another book that people ought to see is a book called War Scare by Dr. Peter
00:44:54.560
Vincent Price. Peter just passed a while back, God rest his soul. But Peter outlined kind of another one
00:44:59.540
of these areas where miscalculation were almost resulted in a nuclear exchange between the East
00:45:04.800
and West. And so both sides have inherent paranoia right now, Jack, that you do an event like that,
00:45:11.300
both sides are going to come up and be prepared to go to war. And I think that is where you're going to
00:45:16.700
have people hopefully thinking this thing through. I'd like to believe that if there's an attack like
00:45:23.440
that, a train gets blown up, some event happens where you have a number of folks killed from an
00:45:29.240
act of terror, that everybody will take a deep breath, take a step back. I'm sure that both sides
00:45:34.880
will activate militaries and be prepared. But you need to sort through this to make sure that we don't
00:45:40.280
end up destroying the entire economy of Europe, the entire economy, the whole of the EU. Because in the
00:45:47.360
end, I think the Russians would come through this much better than the EU. And that's why I think
00:45:51.920
anybody on the NATO side has to think carefully before they contemplate any offensive action
00:45:57.040
against Putin, because I think the consequences are going to be far more severe to NATO countries
00:46:05.040
What do you think? And obviously, this is just your analysis at this point, as an intel officer,
00:46:10.180
but some of this talk about so we have the summit, that doesn't go well for anybody, it just kind
00:46:15.380
of comes and goes really, at the end of the day, much for nothing. The counter offensive doesn't go
00:46:20.340
anywhere. We're seeing Russia kind of pull up a little bit more. In some areas, there's talk
00:46:25.180
about a Harkov offensive. But there's been a lot of chatter involving Poland, there's being chatter
00:46:31.140
involving Purgosian, his moves. Do you think that's just talk? Or is something actually being
00:46:37.480
driven there? And Putin himself came out and said that you could see the Polish military or possibly
00:46:43.600
Poland and Lithuania together, moving a force into Western Ukraine?
00:46:48.440
No doubt. But let's go back to the NATO summit for a minute. Jack, I can't believe you did not
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recognize that the upgrade of a study committee to a study council is progress.
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Yes. I am shocked that you don't see that in progress. They did make progress. They operated
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No, it's not a conference. It's not a conference beyond the committee. Yeah, exactly.
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That's right. So they did make progress. But to your point, no, they didn't do anything. And yes,
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I agree with the assessment that you could see basically NATO members, one and two, getting
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together to do things together. Because I can tell you right now, Turkey's not on board with expanding
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the conflict. They actually have good relations with both Ukraine and Russia. Turkey does not want
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to be pushing to get in the middle of having to take military action against either one of those
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countries. As a matter of fact, Erdogan tried to position himself during the NATO conference to be
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the peacemaker. And everybody saw through it. It's like, yeah, yeah, no, we're not going to talk to
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it. But I'm just saying that it's very clear at this point that you have certain interests in
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certain countries, Poland being one of them. Poland has an inherent fear of Russia because of what
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happened in 1939. I get it. And so we have to account for the Poles feeling that they are prepared
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and want to be prepared to be able to stop Russia doing something, stopping Russian aggression.
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Lithuania too, these other nations. So you might well see a sub-element of NATO, smaller than NATO,
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which would mean Article 5 is not in vogue, coming together to create their own small military
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coalition for purposes of being prepared at least to initially respond to a Russian aggression,
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even if NATO can't. And that would be just a practical thing to do with those nations,
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especially a conspiracy to the willing who want to do that sort of thing.
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We're about out of time. Tony, where can people go to follow you, get more access to your
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So LondonCenter.org, London Center for Policy Research, named after my late boss, Dr. Herb
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London, and of course, Project Sentinel, ProjectSentinel.com, where most of our advocacy relating to the
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Constitution and returning government to constitutional principles and the military as well. So,
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Jack, that's where I'm at. And always great being on with you.
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All right, Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schafer, the only guy I'll let on the show wearing an Army jersey the entire episode.