Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 524： DESANTIS CAMPAIGN COLLAPSES, WW3 TENSIONS RISE BETWEEN POLAND AND RUSSIA

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00:02:36.460 welcome aboard. Today's edition of human events live powered by Jack Posobiec. Today is July 25th,

00:02:43.620 2023. I know Domina, huge news hitting politico.com. Governor DeSantis campaign has fired, cut, let go,

00:02:52.840 whatever you want to call it. More than one third of their campaign staff as they're not so great

00:02:59.640 reset is continuing from politico. The cuts, which were confirmed by advisors will amount to a total

00:03:06.300 of 38 jobs shed across an array of departments. Now it appears that this is, they're letting go

00:03:17.020 to senior advisors, top to bottom, and they're getting, you're getting these comments about

00:03:21.940 top to bottom review, expanded cuts, looking into what's going on. Now keep in mind, this is coming

00:03:28.380 off the backs of a donor retreat, which was held in the extremely prestigious Deer Valley, Utah,

00:03:36.660 beautiful resort out there, very close to Twin Peaks. Advisors outlined plans for DeSantis,

00:03:43.700 who has been criticized reading from politico for overseeing a bloated operation to reposition

00:03:50.040 himself as an underdog. Uh, at the same time, we're also hearing that the positions that have

00:03:56.760 been cut are not necessarily, um, anyone at the anyone above the fold, shall we say no one on the

00:04:03.080 masthead is leaving. These are mid level to low level staffers. So the leadership is not changing

00:04:11.040 the campaign manager, the senior advisors, people like Janar Peck, people like Ryan Tyson. These guys

00:04:18.000 will all still be around. This is also coming as rumors are circulating the Jeff Rowe and never back

00:04:26.700 down are potentially looking for other candidates. They're shopping around for other candidates to get

00:04:33.840 in the race, potentially a Brian Kemp, governor Kemp of Georgia, or even potentially Glenn Youngkin.

00:04:41.800 Now, Jeff Rowe is the former general consultant for the Glenn Youngkin campaign. His firm ran that

00:04:49.060 campaign. They were very successful in Virginia. They have a very close relationship, so it shouldn't

00:04:55.640 come as a surprise, but huge news. I would say, I would actually say this is earth shattering news

00:05:02.220 in terms of the primary. We've got a huge show. Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer is going to be

00:05:07.000 joining us later in the hour, talking about Ukraine, talking about a new potential flashpoint

00:05:12.160 for an operation, possibly covert operation, similar to the Nord Stream 2 bombing. Natalie Winters will be

00:05:18.680 joining us next. But when we talk about this primary, when we talk about what's going on to,

00:05:23.280 to have seen the political fortune shift so massively from January to the midsummer of July with this for

00:05:34.020 the governor, for Tallahassee, this is not where anyone, I think, in Tallahassee expected Governor

00:05:40.560 DeSantis to be by July. I don't think this is anywhere where they thought the campaign was going to be.

00:05:45.780 I think they were going to be making, they thought they'd be making headway. They did not think they'd

00:05:49.880 be polling at 16% nationwide with the amount of money, the amount of support they had. Stay tuned.

00:05:57.240 We'll be right back. Natalie Winters is going to come up. I want to get her take on all of this,

00:06:02.360 but then also go through some of the incredible scoops that she's been launching over at the war.

00:06:06.860 Stay tuned. Human events will be right back. And folks, we're not going anywhere. So regardless of

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00:06:28.960 All right, Jack Posobiec, here we are back, Washington, D.C. I want to bring on now Natalie

00:06:34.460 Winters. You know her from the war room. You may also not know, though, that Natalie Winters is a former

00:06:40.660 human events writer. Isn't that right, Natalie? Former human events writer.

00:06:46.080 That is true. The first article I actually ever published was for Human Events, and I believe it

00:06:51.540 was called The Left's Weaponization of Journalism. So I'm taking credit for the, I would say, popularity

00:06:57.800 of the term weaponization. That was all the way back in 2019. I was ahead of the curve. But I covered

00:07:04.520 the We Build the Wall Border Symposium with, of course, Raheem Kassam wrote some articles there.

00:07:10.200 So I am, like I said, returning to my roots by coming back on Human Events Daily.

00:07:14.540 Well, Natalie, and just so you know, whenever you're done working with war room and you want

00:07:19.360 to come actually work for a real publication, a real news outlet, then you give us a call because

00:07:25.220 we're going to keep your seat completely open for you here at Human Events.

00:07:28.740 Thank you. You know, I told Steve the ads that they were running on the old iteration of the

00:07:34.520 war room.org website, those were a deal breaker for me. They had to drop them or else they wouldn't

00:07:39.360 be. They were, they were pretty bad. We're not gonna, we're not gonna get in there. We're not

00:07:43.460 gonna get into the ads that we run because every, every time I get into that with the website guys

00:07:48.900 over there, I say, guys, could we have, do we have to have this ad there? I don't like seeing this

00:07:53.380 next to my face. If it's like a picture of me on the show or something. And then I get this whole

00:07:57.460 in and it's like, what do you want us to do? We have to pay for the site, Jack. We have to pay

00:08:00.440 for the site page. Anyway, it's a long story. It's a long story. Natalie went, but let's talk

00:08:05.500 about, let's talk about finances because it is important and you're a real journalist and you

00:08:09.340 belong with other real journalists at Human Events. But when we understand finances, when we

00:08:14.280 understand this, Governor DeSantis, shocking news, I would say throughout the primary to see a

00:08:21.080 governor who was top of his game just six months ago, riding high, coffers full, announces for the

00:08:28.700 presidency, and now to be polling 16%, flirting with single digits on a trajectory for single digits

00:08:36.620 now nationwide, cutting up to a third of this. I think it's something like 50 staffers that have

00:08:42.880 now been let go in just the past week. What happened? How do you go from, from that to this

00:08:48.780 in such a rapid time? Well, and by the way, juxtapose this with how a hot Donald Trump is

00:08:54.920 coming and has really continued to be coming in on the campaign trail. I mean, we were just

00:09:00.240 obviously up there at Bedminster. We saw what he was doing with the sound of freedom screening,

00:09:04.220 actually bringing forth meaningful substantive change, talking about issues that matter.

00:09:08.940 And the best the DeSantis campaign can do is have some weird event with, you know,

00:09:12.780 B-list influencers in Deer Valley. And then, of course, you're going to see them hemorrhaging

00:09:17.780 campaign staff because it's not really even so much of a financial matter. I think it's frankly

00:09:23.080 just the people, the grassroots, the activists support for him. It was never really there to

00:09:28.200 begin with. I think it was a smokescreen that they sort of tried to cover by using funds of the people

00:09:34.000 like, you know, Ken Griffith, these huge mega donors whose interests are by no means vested in

00:09:39.020 the working class of this country, but are vested in, you know, their returns as members and high 1.00

00:09:43.720 profile members of Wall Street running firms like Citadel, which are, of course, closely linked

00:09:48.020 with the Chinese Communist Party. But I think it really was just a matter of time. There really

00:09:52.200 was just a lag time between the projections and fantasies of the DeSantis campaign that was really

00:09:57.820 bolstered by the sizable funds of people like Ken Griffith and reality, which is frankly, I subscribe

00:10:05.380 to the mindset that no matter how much money you have, you can't get the MAGA base, you can't get the

00:10:10.460 grassroots activists to turn up and show support, especially when you don't even have the nerve

00:10:15.700 to show up to events like Turning Point USA's ACCON down in Palm Beach to speak and address the

00:10:22.620 crowd there. It's not a one-way street. And that's why I think he's stuck with, like you said, a third

00:10:27.320 of his campaign staff and really just a gaggle of weirdos out in Deer Valley.

00:10:33.700 Well, and it's interesting. So can you tease that through for us a little bit more,

00:10:38.640 this idea of how big of an effect was it for the DeSantis campaign, this decision to skip the

00:10:46.960 Turning Point Action event? And then instead, we see these images of him going and spending time

00:10:52.720 with high-dollar donors in one of these private luxury resorts.

00:10:57.880 I think it's honestly one of the weirdest political calculuses that I've seen made in modern history.

00:11:03.820 And what I mean by that is that, well, frankly, independent of him actually deciding to run for

00:11:09.640 president. But, you know, frankly, I think Ron DeSantis takes the MAGA base, takes the sort of

00:11:15.260 grassroots activist community, really for granted. I think you see that first and foremost, particularly

00:11:20.820 with people in Florida, right? He told people he wasn't going to run. He was sort of vague about

00:11:24.420 whether or not he was going to step down. There was some weirdness about campaign funds being used,

00:11:28.680 whether for the governorship or for his presidential race. So I think there's just a lack of respect

00:11:32.880 there. But to not show up and actually engage with the grassroots, the people there, you know,

00:11:39.320 at that Turning Point Act Con who flew miles, hundreds, thousands of miles to go to that event,

00:11:45.500 how can you say you're serious about actually representing the people when you can't even

00:11:50.220 spend an hour talking to them? You know, if you're scared of what the optics are, if you're going to

00:11:54.480 get booed, how the heck are you supposed to take on the deep state if you can't even take on,

00:11:58.960 you know, Turning Point Act Con. But I think just the fundamental issue is that he's never actually

00:12:06.420 felt beholden to the grassroots, to the activists. Because if you look at the average donation size

00:12:11.920 to his campaign and where the primary source of his funding is coming from, it's not coming from

00:12:16.320 the grassroots. It's not coming from the people who support candidates like Donald Trump. It's coming

00:12:21.620 from the Ken Griffiths of the world. So of course, he's going to prioritize spending time with them

00:12:26.340 because he knows that's really his only, not even last hope, but it's his only hope.

00:12:32.240 Like I said, it really is, it's an offense, I think, to the American people. And it's an insult

00:12:38.020 to their intelligence that we don't really see what's going on here. You know, the MAGA base,

00:12:42.780 as you know, Jack, the people who watch Steve's show, who watch your show are extremely well informed

00:12:48.280 on all of the issues. And they know why Ron DeSantis isn't coming to these events. It's because he

00:12:54.000 doesn't care. It's because at the end of the day, unlike Donald Trump, he is beholden

00:12:58.660 to the corporate donor class. And it's always been about money for him.

00:13:04.300 Natalie, and I know we didn't actually plan to talk about this, but I know you've done

00:13:08.520 other reporting specifically on Citadel, on Sequoia Capital, some of these groups. You mentioned that

00:13:15.840 they're tied to the Chinese Communist Party. Can you walk us through that a little bit? How is it that

00:13:20.640 you have these American business leaders that are so tied, their profits and their bottom line

00:13:26.320 tied to the Chinese Communist Party? It makes no sense. I mean, those are our adversaries, I thought. 0.99

00:13:31.760 Yeah, we can take Ken Griffith and Citadel as an example, because he really was one of the, I think,

00:13:36.600 loudest supporters of Ron DeSantis. And primarily, he was kind of rolled out by the media, because he had

00:13:42.920 backed Donald Trump previously, but then realized that Donald Trump, I would argue, actually confronted

00:13:47.980 the Chinese Communist Party. So he pivoted to sort of an empty vessel candidate, like Ron DeSantis.

00:13:53.980 But, you know, Citadel, put it this way, the same day that Ken Griffith announced that he would be

00:13:59.620 backing Ron DeSantis and basically discarding Donald Trump, was the same exact day that there

00:14:05.240 was an article published in Bloomberg, where Ken Griffith is quoted as saying that they are going

00:14:10.080 to basically double down on their investments in China, and that they're looking to get investment

00:14:15.980 and basically broker licenses from the Chinese Communist Party to be able to expand their

00:14:21.280 operations there. And I'm sure people who watch your show are familiar the way that the economy

00:14:24.880 is run there. You know, there are some similarities to here in the United States, they really rule it

00:14:29.360 with an iron fist in terms of allowing companies to enter nine times out of 10. If you have a board,

00:14:34.440 you have to have a Chinese Communist Party member on your board, sort of liaising with the regime to

00:14:38.660 make sure that what you're doing is in accordance. And Citadel really has a massive wide scale operation

00:14:44.680 in China. They've been fined by Chinese Communist Party regulators and have been trying to get those

00:14:51.200 fines lifted and basically get separate licenses so they can broaden their reach in there. But to me,

00:14:56.180 I think the fundamental issue, as someone who, as you know, has really focused on Chinese Communist

00:15:01.380 Party influence, if the Chinese Communist Party did not want Ron DeSantis, right, if they thought

00:15:09.380 that he was going to be an impediment to them and their ability to rule and really monopolize political

00:15:14.240 power here in the United States, they would not be allowing Ken Griffith to support him, right?

00:15:19.500 The Chinese Communist Party is coming out boldly in opposition to Donald Trump, right? They are not

00:15:24.860 allies with anyone in the MAGA movement, the grassroots movement, with what Donald Trump has

00:15:29.040 done in seeking to really oust the Chinese Communist Party from power. But all these Wall Street types,

00:15:34.480 the Ken Griffiths, of which there are many, don't miss the forest for the trees with him,

00:15:38.060 they know that they're safe to support Ron DeSantis and that that's not going to ruffle any

00:15:43.840 feathers with the Chinese Communist Party. And frankly, I think that's the biggest tell that there

00:15:48.900 is. Well, it comes down to this, right? It comes down to this. And I've talked about it a million

00:15:53.480 times. You've talked about a million times. It comes down to the question of tariffs, because we've had

00:15:57.960 these groups like the Club for Chinese Growth running around saying, oh, we need free trade. We need the free

00:16:03.160 flow of capital. We need the free flow of labor. The same guys are for open borders, by the way.

00:16:08.300 That's different. That doesn't exactly affect China. But an interesting thing to point out,

00:16:13.320 I should add. And the reason is because they know that President Trump or anyone, right, anyone who

00:16:21.220 came in with a populist nationalist agenda, put people like Robert Lighthizer, people like Peter

00:16:28.080 Navarro in positions of power, that is exactly what would turn back the tide, stem the tide of the 0.78

00:16:34.700 Chinese Communist Party's growth, their coffers, which have gone all in because it's simple,

00:16:39.840 right? The deal was made all the way back. We did the China files. We explained all this.

00:16:43.420 The deal was made back in the 1980s under George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush's father,

00:16:48.320 that you will be the slave labor. You're going to be the factory of the world. We're going to gut the 0.99

00:16:53.400 Midwest. We're going to gut the South. We're going to gut Appalachia, all the jobs,

00:16:56.620 the steel, the rust. That's the reason the rust belt is the rust belt. And we wonder why it is

00:17:01.980 that Ron DeSantis, even when you look in these terms of early state polls, he's not doing well

00:17:08.500 in the rust belt. One minute, Natalie Winters.

00:17:11.580 I always say that really is the original sin of the globalist economic model, right? The outsourcing

00:17:17.180 of jobs to China, and that's relying on the Chinese Communist Party being empowered to be able to suppress

00:17:22.120 their people, the Lao Bai Jing. And I think Americans can see, because you know what?

00:17:26.980 Republicans, frankly, since Donald Trump, since before him, they've been fed up with these empty

00:17:31.120 vessel candidates that stand for nothing, have no backbones, except the manufactured talking points

00:17:36.340 that the Republican establishment and their donors sort of inject and put into them.

00:17:41.140 And I think Ron DeSantis, in part because of his absolutely bizarre character and the way he comports

00:17:45.900 himself, I think they see him just as one of these other Mitt Romney, John McCain, just Glenn Youngkin,

00:17:52.140 you know, as Steve always says, plug and play, just kind of NPC types where there's just not a lot

00:17:57.260 going on there. And the talking points that they're pushing out are not in line with what the MAGA base,

00:18:02.540 the grassroots activists want. They're in line with what Wall Street wants.

00:18:06.180 Folks, we are going to come back because Natalie Winters has other scoops for us that actually 0.97

00:18:11.800 promised her we would get to. But unfortunately, we have we have breaking news. And that's the

00:18:16.580 business, folks. So stay tuned. We get a lot from Natalie Winters coming up next.

00:18:23.820 I encourage people to if you're interested in foreign policy, you got to follow Jack.

00:18:28.080 All right, folks, we're back. Human events. Look, I think we all know and we all understand at this

00:18:36.980 point, by dynamics, it doesn't work. It doesn't work for you. It doesn't work for your family.

00:18:42.440 But this is what they're going to do. They're going to push hyperinflation to try to get the

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00:19:19.920 at Allegiance Gold. Go to protectwithposo.com. Natalie Winters, we promise we get back to you

00:19:26.600 because you've got some incredible look, you mentioned, by the way, that we were up there at

00:19:31.180 Bedminster last week. We did how I don't even know how many hours you did on air. I think I did three.

00:19:38.020 I think you did like five hours on air. Historic evening. Absolute historic weekend. Yes. Yeah.

00:19:45.520 By the way, this is Natalie at 50% folks. You don't want to see her all the way dialed up. You don't want 0.95

00:19:50.220 that. You really don't want that. But we saw the sound of freedom. And that was my, I think,

00:19:56.740 third time seeing it maybe up there. It's very emotional. It's very moving. It hits you from all

00:20:02.180 directions. But the fact of the matter is that this is a salient issue, not only because it's

00:20:09.700 something that we care about in the world, but it's also something that can be affected by the federal

00:20:14.920 government because we're sitting there in the room. And I thought about this later that, you know,

00:20:19.420 President Trump wasn't just someone who's watching the movie. He's someone who actually actively managed

00:20:24.420 the national security agencies. And we knew he took it that seriously because the very next day,

00:20:29.400 he said that he would be reinvesting in child trafficking, protect prevention and agents going

00:20:35.860 after this, and then also instituting the death penalty for child traffickers. But Natalie,

00:20:40.420 you found some information about what the Biden DOJ is up to, or should I say not up to when it

00:20:46.340 comes to this issue, didn't you? Yes. Something is very rotten at the DOJ. As Steve and I always say,

00:20:54.160 you know, make it make sense. And these are, this is one of the stories that I just, I don't think you

00:20:58.360 can really do that with. So the predecessor to the one that you have up on the screen right now,

00:21:03.460 because we'll link it together because I think it represents really more of a systemic problem

00:21:08.540 within the Biden regime, not just sort of a one-off incidence, a technological glitch,

00:21:12.880 which is what I'm sure they would say. But in the child exploitation division of the Department

00:21:17.760 of Justice's website, they have various tabs that under the Trump administration were really

00:21:23.420 fleshed out to have a lot of information about what exactly constitutes child sex trafficking,

00:21:29.060 the various criminal statutes that apply, how to prevent it, and frankly, how open borders

00:21:34.760 allows for the international basically importing, importation of children that allows this horrific,

00:21:41.260 horrific crime to continue. And what's so interesting is that the Biden regime in May

00:21:46.980 of this year revised several webpages to consciously and intentionally delete information about the,

00:21:57.200 quote, international sex trafficking of children. So I'll walk you through the two pages that I uncovered.

00:22:01.940 The first had to do with just listing these subject areas basically of concern that this child

00:22:07.680 exploitation division was tasked with focusing on. They used to have four headings. It was child sex

00:22:13.060 trafficking, international sex trafficking of minors, domestic sex trafficking of minors, and child 0.88

00:22:18.320 prostitution. Now the website, like I said, as of May of this year, they deleted the last three terms that

00:22:25.920 I just said, and all they have on there is child sex trafficking. And if you read the article, you can see

00:22:30.980 they specifically omit the parts that have to do with how open borders and international trade allows

00:22:37.920 for children to be more easily imported into the United States. And then the sort of second offense

00:22:43.140 that they committed was on a page that was the citizen's guide to U.S. federal law on child sex

00:22:49.440 trafficking. They deleted hundreds of words from it, again, really focusing on the international aspect

00:22:56.200 of it. And they used to list about five or six statutes from the U.S. code that were the relevant

00:23:05.360 ones to the crime of child sex trafficking. But they erased all of them except for one, just the kind

00:23:11.640 of plain and simple child sex trafficking and the number. And it really is one of those stories and

00:23:17.920 questions where I'm left and I'm usually not perplexed. I usually try to understand everything

00:23:22.220 before I put stories out. But the Biden regime has been totally silent. I've put the story up a week,

00:23:27.340 two weeks ago. They haven't said anything. And from what I can tell, there are a lot more web pages

00:23:31.920 that they've done similar sort of revisions on. And I think the primary question is why?

00:23:36.960 To summarize it, what they're doing is President Trump had detailed, fully extensive guides,

00:23:45.620 citizens guides, how to track this stuff, how to look for it, warning signs, all the rest. And what Biden

00:23:51.440 has done is essentially put up a placeholder saying, oh, you know, child trafficking is bad.

00:23:56.580 And, you know, keep calm and carry on. We're taking care of it. That's what's going on. It's a

00:24:01.540 complete whitewash of what's going on. And then when these outlets like Rolling Stone, CNN, the

00:24:08.980 Washington Post come around and say, oh, child sex trafficking, that's that's QAnon level where they

00:24:13.840 could point to the Department of Justice and say, oh, look, the Department of Justice doesn't even have

00:24:18.320 this up on their website. Yeah, that's really, I think, the most bizarre aspect of it. And

00:24:24.720 it's not like this is just an isolated incident within the Biden regime when you contextualize

00:24:30.500 this really in the broader frame of the policies that they've been pursuing, particularly on the

00:24:35.340 southern border. And I'm not just talking leaving it wide open, but the dropping of requiring DNA

00:24:40.100 tests when they see family units and children come. And of course, I think, too, it links back to

00:24:45.500 really what is the grooming of children, pushing ideologies like transgenderism and however many

00:24:51.000 genders there are. You know, if there's 100, maybe there's 120 tomorrow. But pushing this on

00:24:56.140 children, I think the fundamental driving force is to rob children of their innocence. I think it

00:25:01.700 starts by putting these bizarre, radical gender ideologies in their head, of course, coming after 0.97

00:25:06.340 the nuclear family, which I know you discuss at length. But I think sort of the uncomfortable truth

00:25:11.300 of this is that the final step, the sort of ultimate transgression of this ability, this quest to rob

00:25:18.060 children of their innocence, which we see a full scale crusade coming from the Biden regime to do,

00:25:23.380 I think does resort in child sex trafficking, does resort in pedophilia, does resort in some of these

00:25:28.960 uncomfortable crimes that no one wants to talk about until for the, you know, thank goodness of

00:25:34.380 films like Sound of Freedom that are forcing that uncomfortable conversation. But I really think that this is the

00:25:40.160 logical conclusion of a lot of the policies and just ideologies that the Biden regime is spreading and

00:25:46.720 spewing in American classrooms. And frankly, they're covering up for them all the way to the DOJ's website. And if

00:25:54.100 they're doing that so boldly to a taxpayer funded publicly accessible website, if they feel confident enough to

00:25:59.860 revise and quite literally delete international sex trafficking from a website made to call attention to the actual

00:26:05.780 crime and help, you know, save children and this horrible act, could you imagine what they're doing

00:26:10.580 behind the scenes? I don't, I don't even I don't even want to know.

00:26:14.160 Well, look, and we've already seen the testimony from FBI whistleblowers, Kyle Serafin coming forward and

00:26:21.140 stating unequivocally that when Biden's DOJ came in, they took people from the child trafficking task force and then

00:26:29.580 moved them over to political investigations, political corruption, etc. You know, I'm sure making

00:26:35.560 sure that they weren't going to cover any of the corruption tied to Biden and his family. But even even

00:26:41.180 beyond the partisan elements of it, the fact of the matter is the child sex trafficking shouldn't be a

00:26:47.200 partisan issue. This you'd think if there were anything, and maybe I'll ask you that, why do you suppose

00:26:53.400 it is that this issue has become so, so politicized in this country? Are we just that polarized that

00:26:59.760 everything has to be tribal now? You know, I think the answer to that question sort of is the question

00:27:06.980 itself. In other words, the people who are really upset and have made this a partisan issue, I think

00:27:12.340 it's because they're covering up for the fact that there is one side of the political spectrum that I

00:27:17.940 think has more of an issue with this. Like I said, you have to contextualize it, I think, in their

00:27:23.300 broader campaign and push for this radical gender ideology, I think woke is too euphemistic a term,

00:27:30.360 but really the subversion of children's innocence. And I would argue Republicans, of course, always fail

00:27:36.180 to step up and prevent it from happening in the schools. But it's the far left Democrats who are

00:27:41.060 attempting to put it in the schools in the first place. So I think that's sort of why there is this

00:27:45.400 unnatural affinity between sort of the corporate mainstream media press and the left wing on this

00:27:51.340 issue, because I think they typically are in lockstep.

00:27:54.600 Well, Natalie, let me tell you, we've got a couple of minutes left. Let me tie that back to something

00:27:58.220 you said earlier today. You said that a coup of our military has already taken place. I think that

00:28:04.960 law enforcement at the national level, the IC, this ties into it. What does that mean? Why are you saying

00:28:09.380 that now? Sure. So we were talking on War Room about how, you know, with the new, what is it,

00:28:16.660 the general or the joint chief of staff that they're trying to confirm through the Senate.

00:28:21.840 And we were, you know, up in arms because this guy is really a Marxist through and through,

00:28:26.600 both in practice and in preach. And I was saying that, you know, yeah, I guess they still have to

00:28:32.580 confirm him. He hasn't been confirmed yet. But the fact that they feel so comfortable even advocating

00:28:37.260 and pushing for someone like this, I think really shows you how far we've fallen. And the story that I

00:28:42.340 was discussing in that, in that video that that news outlet wrote up, it had to do back actually

00:28:47.860 when I was working for human events. The true reason that I ended up working at human events, I was

00:28:53.380 originally slated to intern at the Pentagon in 2019 under Trump. But when I showed up there, I talked, I

00:29:00.520 was talking to one of the undersecretaries and he asked me, you know, why I was interested in defense, why I was

00:29:05.480 interested in working at the Pentagon. And I told him I wanted to end the forever wars. Like I was not

00:29:11.520 into that. I wasn't looking to become a defense contractor. I hated the Chinese Communist Party

00:29:16.300 and how they were broadening their foothold in the United States. And I was really, really most

00:29:19.760 concerned about Islamic subversion and really encroachment in the United States. And he looked

00:29:24.700 at me like I was crazy. And he said, look, like, I'm one of the few Trump appointees who you can say

00:29:30.080 that to me and I'm on the same page as you. But there's maybe only one other person like me here

00:29:34.860 and everyone else. If you were to say that to them, you wouldn't go nowhere in this building. You'd probably

00:29:39.700 get fired or, you know, sent to a desk in Alaska. You'd get absolutely no assignments. You wouldn't

00:29:45.300 have any work to do. He said, you need to say that you're interested in protecting, you know,

00:29:49.800 women's rights in the Middle East. That's a politically correct issue to be passionate about. 0.99

00:29:54.340 And it was in that moment that I really realized that I stand by it. There has been a coup

00:29:59.440 by the administrative state, by the people who don't subscribe to the Trump mindset of what our

00:30:03.860 military should be doing at home and abroad.

00:30:05.520 Natalie, we are, that is, that's incredible reporting. I want to get more from you. I'd

00:30:10.120 love to see it at humanevents.com. Just saying, maybe, maybe see, maybe do a cross-posting

00:30:15.060 thing. We can do, we can do like, you know, Steve will let you write something for us maybe

00:30:19.440 once in a while. Natalie's opinion. We'll call it Natalie's Corner. We'll call it Natalie's

00:30:24.000 Corner. Natalie, where can people go to get all of your stuff at least currently and to follow

00:30:28.880 you?

00:30:29.040 Well, in the meantime, you can go to warroom.org to get my stories and you can find me on Twitter,

00:30:34.860 Instagram, Facebook, get our all, basically all the platforms at Natalie G. Winters. And

00:30:39.760 thank you so much, Jack, for having me on.

00:30:42.300 Thanks, Natalie. God bless you. God bless all your work. We'll be coming up right next with

00:30:46.560 Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer.

00:30:47.680 In my ear about the boring people at your office. I'm trying to listen to the new human

00:30:55.260 events with Jack Posobiec.

00:30:58.120 All right, we're back human events. Look, guys, I got to tell you, Tanya Tay made some of these

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00:32:45.000 bring him back. Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer joins us here to talk about the latest in the

00:32:52.100 Ukraine conflict that's going on Ukraine, Russia. Tony, the last time we had you on, we were talking

00:32:59.120 about how the counter-offensive was stalling out. The NATO summit was just about to happen.

00:33:04.080 We were looking at the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant. Zielinski said there was about to be an

00:33:10.180 attack on the power plant. That never happened. Do you think, do you think it's, it seems like

00:33:15.760 somebody blinked in that situation. Was that a blink? Because it felt like they were building up to

00:33:20.520 something and then it never happened, which by the way, I'm glad because you'd think that a nuclear

00:33:25.800 incident would be the red line of all red lines. Yeah. I think, uh, to that point, Jack, nobody was

00:33:32.020 buying it. Uh, the one thing you have to do in a false flag. And I think it was going to be a false

00:33:38.120 flag. I think the Ukrainians are going to do it and blame it on Russia is you have to, you have to 0.98

00:33:42.060 make it credible. And there was just no credibility. I think everybody saw what was going on. And the

00:33:47.520 more, uh, Zelensky protested, the Russians are going to do something. It's more like, uh, there's no

00:33:52.260 indication than the IAEA, the international atomic agency, which oversees nuclear plants coming out

00:33:57.860 and saying, yeah, we see no evidence of this. I think the, I think the gig was up. There was just

00:34:02.300 no way they were going to be able to pull it off and everybody would have known instantly. And that

00:34:05.380 wouldn't have helped their cause because as you said, last time we spoke, uh, the offensive was not

00:34:11.200 going well, uh, by all accounts, uh, if it wasn't going well, then it's going horribly now because we're

00:34:17.800 talking about, uh, upwards of 50% attrition of the Bradley fighting vehicles. Everyone announced

00:34:23.620 that they're saying about 20, 25%. I think it's closer to 50. Every, uh, every sustainer on the

00:34:31.220 planet who understands how to keep Bradley's going or is moving to Ukraine to try to recover these 0.96

00:34:36.040 darn things. And then, um, by all accounts, the leopards aren't doing well. And anybody who wants to 0.98

00:34:41.920 kind of understand what's going on, I recommend they go study, uh, the battle of Kursk during

00:34:48.280 World War II, also in July of 1943 tank battle in history, largest tank battle in history, but you

00:34:54.900 can't, it's not a one for one. You've got to just look at the symmetry of the, of, of what happened

00:34:59.320 and Russia, uh, you know, what Russia and Ukraine is doing. And there's, there's many similarities,

00:35:09.200 uh, real quick, uh, and the battle of Kursk, the Germans introduced new technology that the, uh,

00:35:15.280 the Panther five and the Panther six, also known as the King tiger, uh, they were introduced very

00:35:21.980 effective for the time, but, uh, they were not effective enough to stop the Russians from

00:35:29.160 overwhelming the German forces. Same thing here. The Ukrainians have all this great new technology 0.96

00:35:34.200 supposed to overcome any numeric advantage of the Russians not working. And so there's many

00:35:39.880 parallels too many to get into here. I, we could probably even do a full show on the parallels,

00:35:44.160 but suffice to say, look at how, uh, that whole battle unfolded. And I think you're going to see

00:35:51.380 a lot of similarities of how the Russians are, are basically following a very similar strategy to

00:35:57.820 overwhelm the Ukrainians. And one other thing requests, Sersky, uh, general Sersky, Colonel Sersky, 0.90

00:36:03.380 Colonel General Sersky, and, um, uh, the other general, which, uh, uh, I'll get his name in

00:36:09.800 in a second, uh, uh, Zaluzny are not on the same sheet. Zaluzny being the overall commander of forces,

00:36:16.520 Sersky being the commander of ground forces. Sersky is focused on go, retaining, uh, going and taking

00:36:22.320 back the territory in the North. Uh, Zaluzny is focused on Crimea, just wanting Crimea. He's,

00:36:27.780 it's like his white, white whale. It's that's, that's what he's focused on. And because of that,

00:36:32.460 Jack, you're a military guy there, they've never been able to establish battlefield, uh, focus

00:36:40.120 relating to the most of the, the, the biggest number of forces available to go pick a spot

00:36:46.560 and go through. They've had four or five. It's been very disheveled, horribly run. Uh, I, I think

00:36:53.380 Mark Milley approved all this nonsense. So at least if, if so, uh, it's very clear that there was never

00:36:59.440 any, uh, combat cohesion and Zaluzny and, uh, uh, Sersky going in different directions was never

00:37:08.380 going to be something that would help the Ukrainians achieve. And I think it's why that's

00:37:12.260 also why Zaluzny was largely absent from media, uh, in, in the entire run-up to this. But Tony,

00:37:19.120 I, I, there's another piece of this that I'd like to get in and we've got a break coming out in a

00:37:23.620 couple of minutes, but we'll go over it. Um, that has to do with a phrase that we're seeing more and

00:37:28.980 more chatter in the media. Now it's called the Suvalki gap. And they're saying Purgosian and

00:37:34.960 Wagner, they're headed over to Belarus. They're manning up on the Suvalki gap, Poland descending 0.78

00:37:40.660 materiel. They're sending APCs up to the Suvalki gap. So we've got the map up there for folks who

00:37:46.540 don't understand or aren't familiar with the, with the area of walk us through what is the

00:37:50.440 significance of the Suvalki gap? What is it? Well, this is a common access point for Russia

00:37:57.100 to have access to the Baltic sea. And, and, and, and basically you have a number of countries

00:38:03.140 which are involved. As a matter of fact, one of the few things I'll ever agree with political on

00:38:08.780 political called this place, the most dangerous place on earth. It's like, wow, one time out of a

00:38:14.360 million political got something right. And it's, and it, they are correct. So you've got the Russians, 0.95

00:38:19.320 you've got the Lithuanians, you've got the Poles, uh, you've got NATO that has the overall

00:38:24.700 responsibility regarding the security of the region, uh, and of course the EU. So this is where

00:38:31.940 all the interests of all the parties truly come together. Cause by the way, this was true during

00:38:37.760 the cold war, uh, during the cold war, Jack, we recognized that if there was ever going to be a

00:38:44.020 flashpoint that we would probably be able to draw from and figure out everybody's going to war,

00:38:48.680 this was it. So I think the same, it can be said now with all the interests of the different parties

00:38:53.740 regarding keeping that, that gap open. It's very small, it's very compact, but a lot of things

00:39:00.380 happen there. And so I think many folks recognize that there's going to be miscalculation or aggression

00:39:07.940 that, that triggers world war three, like during cold, during the cold war, a lot of folks think

00:39:13.560 is going to happen at this gap. And, and just, just to break it down for folks that, that don't

00:39:18.540 get to see the map, you've got, you've got this exclave of Russia. So Russian territory that is

00:39:24.580 non-contiguous with the rest of the, what they call the union state of Russia and Belarus. So it's

00:39:30.620 directly across from Belarus, separated by a very short line of the border between Poland and Lithuania.

00:39:38.240 So in order to resupply this area with food, material, et cetera, the EU has sent trains

00:39:44.860 across. They have this basically agreement between the EU, Belarus and Russia to be able to send

00:39:50.460 supply trains, passengers at times. The stress on that specifically has been immense since the

00:39:57.840 sanctions have been put on. Now it looks like it may become an initial flashpoint in the area

00:40:04.260 because also the other borders are now all being shut down between Poland, Kaliningrad, the rest.

00:40:10.720 At the same time, you had Russians at one point arguing that they wanted a, a Russian corridor

00:40:15.440 to be opened, a special highway, special railway, just for them. Poland pushing back saying, Hey,

00:40:21.440 that sounds a lot like what, what the Germans were asking for when it came to Gdansk and Danzig back

00:40:26.120 in the 1930s. So it's obviously there's a lot of emotional issues. There are a lot of historic issues

00:40:31.340 that play into it. Also into the, I think the nicest way I could put it, the, the less than

00:40:39.880 stable relationship between Poland and Russia over the years. And so we were coming up on a break here,

00:40:45.860 Tony, but I want to get into you this, this theory that I've seen people posting around out there.

00:40:51.460 It's a thesis that I think is possible. This flashpoint, when we're talking about potential

00:40:57.280 operations, intelligence operations, what happens if somebody takes out that rail line between

00:41:04.600 Belarus and Kaliningrad across the Sivalki gap? Could we see the potential for major destabilization

00:41:13.520 of Ukraine and NATO in this current moment? Stay tuned. Tony Schaefer is going to break it down for us.

00:41:18.300 When I grew up in the hood, I rolled with bloods and them boys had a saying. You can't be listening 0.97

00:41:25.440 to all that slappy whack trim out his outlet, it's a bam ship, nippy, bam, bam, like human events with

00:41:31.140 Jack Posobiec. All right, we're back here, Washington, DC, Jack Posobiec, human events,

00:41:37.680 Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer. So let's walk through what would it look like? What would a scenario

00:41:42.420 look like if one of these trains were traveling between Belarus and Kaliningrad, or even just one

00:41:51.080 morning we wake up and the train is about to go across, but it turns out that that rail line,

00:41:56.260 that key strategic rail line between Belarus, which is the union state of Belarus and Russia

00:42:01.860 and Kaliningrad, there's a massive explosion. There's the tracks have been severed. We can't

00:42:07.800 figure out what's going on. I mean, we've seen attacks in Moscow, we've seen attacks down on on

00:42:13.060 the Danube this week right now. So Russia getting very, very close with I'm hoping they're using their 0.99

00:42:18.980 most precision targeted, you know, guided munitions when they're when they're getting directly across

00:42:23.820 the river from NATO territory. And of course, we've seen the Nord Stream 2 explosion. Would it be

00:42:29.780 outside of the realm of possibility when we're talking about essentially that same Baltic rim

00:42:35.680 to see an explosion on in the Suvalki gap that could spin us towards World War three? What would

00:42:42.960 it look like? Walk us through the scenario. So it depends on who does it, Jack. I mean,

00:42:47.260 that's where you have to, you know, who, but who benefits who would benefit? Well, we know what

00:42:50.940 the media would be saying on day one, the media would be out there, CNN. Oh, oh, this was this

00:42:55.700 Russia. This is Putin. This is it's always no, no evidence, no, no investigation. But we're told

00:43:02.280 that this we would be told this was an attack on NATO. Right, exactly. So that's where you'd have

00:43:08.480 to start. And then trying to unravel it, because the closest analogy I can find, try to help illustrate

00:43:15.440 this for your audiences, what happened during Berlin. So Berlin was another contended space,

00:43:21.500 where everybody wanted a piece of it, a lot of the same players. And the tensions there were very

00:43:27.020 high, especially at one point when the Soviets shut down access to Berlin airlift, a lot of things

00:43:32.280 were going on. Armies on both sides really prepared for war. So I think that's what you're going to see

00:43:37.760 before you see any overt conflict. Say a train is blown up. It's going to take about a week for

00:43:44.240 everybody to kind of go through the reaction process, the hair on fire, the day after the

00:43:50.340 accusations, the recriminations. You know, it's like it's like going through the different the five

00:43:55.820 different steps of grief. The same thing happens here when you have an event like this, people have

00:43:59.980 to go through stages. But after the first week, I think you would see more rational people trying to

00:44:04.980 figure out what to do next. What will what would happen out of that is you would probably see mass

00:44:11.560 activation of military forces, both sides, because if the Russians didn't do it, and they're being

00:44:18.480 blamed, they're going to be prepared to get expand their military conflict because they think they're

00:44:22.480 going to be attacked. NATO is going to do the same thing. And so like during the Cold War, during many

00:44:28.180 alerts, you always saw this ratcheting up of military forces. I was a reservist. I was sent to

00:44:35.360 Germany on something called Reforger, Return of Forces to Germany, 1985, as part of force protection

00:44:42.120 operations. We were prepared to go to war. You know, that was during the Reagan days and a lot

00:44:48.380 of high tension. Another book that people ought to see is a book called War Scare by Dr. Peter

00:44:54.560 Vincent Price. Peter just passed a while back, God rest his soul. But Peter outlined kind of another one

00:44:59.540 of these areas where miscalculation were almost resulted in a nuclear exchange between the East

00:45:04.800 and West. And so both sides have inherent paranoia right now, Jack, that you do an event like that,

00:45:11.300 both sides are going to come up and be prepared to go to war. And I think that is where you're going to

00:45:16.700 have people hopefully thinking this thing through. I'd like to believe that if there's an attack like

00:45:23.440 that, a train gets blown up, some event happens where you have a number of folks killed from an

00:45:29.240 act of terror, that everybody will take a deep breath, take a step back. I'm sure that both sides

00:45:34.880 will activate militaries and be prepared. But you need to sort through this to make sure that we don't

00:45:40.280 end up destroying the entire economy of Europe, the entire economy, the whole of the EU. Because in the

00:45:47.360 end, I think the Russians would come through this much better than the EU. And that's why I think 0.99

00:45:51.920 anybody on the NATO side has to think carefully before they contemplate any offensive action

00:45:57.040 against Putin, because I think the consequences are going to be far more severe to NATO countries

00:46:01.220 than to Russia at this point in time.

00:46:05.040 What do you think? And obviously, this is just your analysis at this point, as an intel officer,

00:46:10.180 but some of this talk about so we have the summit, that doesn't go well for anybody, it just kind

00:46:15.380 of comes and goes really, at the end of the day, much for nothing. The counter offensive doesn't go

00:46:20.340 anywhere. We're seeing Russia kind of pull up a little bit more. In some areas, there's talk

00:46:25.180 about a Harkov offensive. But there's been a lot of chatter involving Poland, there's being chatter

00:46:31.140 involving Purgosian, his moves. Do you think that's just talk? Or is something actually being

00:46:37.480 driven there? And Putin himself came out and said that you could see the Polish military or possibly

00:46:43.600 Poland and Lithuania together, moving a force into Western Ukraine?

00:46:48.440 No doubt. But let's go back to the NATO summit for a minute. Jack, I can't believe you did not

00:46:53.900 recognize that the upgrade of a study committee to a study council is progress.

00:47:00.600 Yes. I am shocked that you don't see that in progress. They did make progress. They operated

00:47:08.440 the Ukraine study.

00:47:09.440 No, it's not a conference. It's not a conference beyond the committee. Yeah, exactly.

00:47:12.760 That's right. So they did make progress. But to your point, no, they didn't do anything. And yes,

00:47:19.700 I agree with the assessment that you could see basically NATO members, one and two, getting

00:47:26.640 together to do things together. Because I can tell you right now, Turkey's not on board with expanding

00:47:32.680 the conflict. They actually have good relations with both Ukraine and Russia. Turkey does not want

00:47:39.060 to be pushing to get in the middle of having to take military action against either one of those

00:47:44.020 countries. As a matter of fact, Erdogan tried to position himself during the NATO conference to be

00:47:48.180 the peacemaker. And everybody saw through it. It's like, yeah, yeah, no, we're not going to talk to

00:47:51.700 it. But I'm just saying that it's very clear at this point that you have certain interests in

00:47:57.340 certain countries, Poland being one of them. Poland has an inherent fear of Russia because of what

00:48:04.460 happened in 1939. I get it. And so we have to account for the Poles feeling that they are prepared 1.00

00:48:12.240 and want to be prepared to be able to stop Russia doing something, stopping Russian aggression.

00:48:18.660 Lithuania too, these other nations. So you might well see a sub-element of NATO, smaller than NATO,

00:48:26.800 which would mean Article 5 is not in vogue, coming together to create their own small military

00:48:33.000 coalition for purposes of being prepared at least to initially respond to a Russian aggression,

00:48:38.680 even if NATO can't. And that would be just a practical thing to do with those nations,

00:48:43.000 especially a conspiracy to the willing who want to do that sort of thing.

00:48:46.320 We're about out of time. Tony, where can people go to follow you, get more access to your

00:48:50.600 writings?

00:48:51.860 So LondonCenter.org, London Center for Policy Research, named after my late boss, Dr. Herb

00:48:57.500 London, and of course, Project Sentinel, ProjectSentinel.com, where most of our advocacy relating to the

00:49:03.440 Constitution and returning government to constitutional principles and the military as well. So,

00:49:09.080 Jack, that's where I'm at. And always great being on with you.

00:49:11.620 All right, Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schafer, the only guy I'll let on the show wearing an Army jersey the entire episode.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - July 25, 2023

EPISODE 524： DESANTIS CAMPAIGN COLLAPSES, WW3 TENSIONS RISE BETWEEN POLAND AND RUSSIA

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