EPISODE 526： THE COLLAPSE & THE SECRET HISTORY OF AMERICAN ETHNIC CLEANSING AND WHITE ETHNIC FLIGHT
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On today's show, Jack Posobiec is joined by Savannah Hernandez and Savanah Hernandez to discuss the latest in the ongoing investigation into the January 6th, 2019, attack on the Capitol Hill offices of Sen. Mitch McConnell. President Trump's lawyers are now meeting with the Special Counsel's Office to discuss what they expect to come in the Mar-A-Lago case. Former Vice President Joe Biden and his wife, Jill Biden, are facing the possibility of being charged with a crime related to the attack.
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I cannot even begin to explain how the Justice Department walks into that courtroom without
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knowing exactly what the scope of immunity or coverage is for Hunter Biden.
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The Fed will raise rates by a quarter of a percent in line with what analysts were expecting.
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That decision coming as the Fed remains hopeful that inflation will continue to cool off.
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So they thank you and you just feel super awkward.
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Thank you, mental health care workers, those who are counseling people who've suffered gender
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Senator Mitch McConnell, he's fallen more times this year than previously known.
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This reporting comes after a scary moment on camera at a news conference yesterday.
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The 81-year-old Republican just suddenly froze mid-sentence for 23 seconds.
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When the Soviet Union, he was getting ready to dismantle the Soviet Union and he said,
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we're going to allow you, we're going to withdraw 400,000 troops from East Germany.
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And we're going to allow you to reunite Germany under NATO, which is a hostile army.
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One commitment we want, which is what the Russians said, is that you will not move NATO to the
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Well, since then, we've moved it 1,000 miles in 14 countries.
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Give us an update when it comes to East Palestine.
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And also, Governor Mike DeWine asked the president to issue a major disaster declaration a few weeks
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The president intends to go, don't have a time or a date to preview at this time.
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Former President Donald Trump's attorneys have been meeting with the special counsel's
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And according to multiple sources familiar with the matter, they've been told to expect
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an indictment stemming from the Department of Justice's investigation into the January
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
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The fact of the matter is, folks, we've been telling you this for a long, long time.
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Jack Smith, the special counsel, and his grand jury in Washington, D.C., they're not done.
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They're not done with the Mar-a-Lago documents case.
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Instead, they are now being focused on January 6th.
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This is the indictment that will be coming down very shortly.
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President Trump's lawyers now meeting with Jack Smith, the special counsel's office to
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But I want to bring in here, we've got the great Savannah Hernandez for two segments.
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Sav, when you hear these proceedings basically going forward, these alleged, let me cut the
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What is this going to do in the current situation in our country?
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You know, Jack, it's just an absolute mess right now.
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And I think that the average American citizen is just so exhausted with politics.
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They're so exhausted with either the political persecution of conservative Americans or the
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Department of Justice being politicized and overlooking the crimes of the Biden family,
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So the average American feeling an intense fatigue with the absolute state of America
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and, you know, the average person just wanting justice, the average person being extremely
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tired of the two-tier justice system that we're currently living through right now.
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And so when we look at it from this perspective, why is it that they're going so hard against
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I mean, why not let something like this just go to the ballot box?
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I mean, I think we all know the answer to that question, Jack, and we saw what happened
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I mean, even go back as far as 2016, Donald Trump was never supposed to be in office,
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That's why we're seeing indictment after indictment.
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And at the end of the day, all this is is the targeting of Joe Biden's political opponent.
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And I think a lot of Americans are getting very angry about where we're at.
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We've seen so much support garnered for Donald Trump every single time that he is attacked
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because the average American realizing that every single aspect of American life is degrading.
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And I think Donald Trump is the best example of that.
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He's done a great job of just highlighting and exposing how corrupt our judicial system,
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you know, again, the very upper echelons of our political society really have become.
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Sav, we're coming up on a break, but let me just ask you point blank.
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Do you fear that in 2024, we're going to see the same type of unrest that we saw in 2020?
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I mean, I think that if Donald Trump gets the nomination, which I do think that he will because
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he is the strongest candidate, that's my opinion, we could potentially see that.
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I feel like we're already seeing the media gear up for it.
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We're already seeing the attempt by, you know, the Biden administration to try to bring back that
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And it's because we do have the ability to tell the truth now and combat a lot of the lies that
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would allow for that political unrest to become more and more insane, as we saw in previous years.
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Now, as we're talking, we're here with Savannah Hernandez.
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And as we're talking about the collapse and the unrest, everything that we see, every system in America is falling apart.
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Sav, you had an experience that you, let's just say, documented very, very colorfully on social media with the public transportation system as pertains to air travel in the United States.
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And this is part of my contention that I know people say third world country, third world country, third world country all the time with the United States.
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But it might be more accurate to say that we are now becoming a second world country, one in which, you know, it's not necessarily just the top 1%, but sort of that top 5% to 10%.
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They get access to a different standard for everything else, whether it comes to customer service, whether it comes to air travel, whether it comes to hotels, etc., that everyone else in the country does no longer have access to.
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It's actually the middle class that is completely losing out here.
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This is the same type of things that you see in countries like Brazil, where you have these enclaves that people who are well-to-do are perfectly fine, but everyone else suffers.
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Sav, tell us a little bit about your experience and what you think it says about the state of our country.
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Absolutely, Jack. This is something that I have been noticing as well and what I've deemed, I guess, our new normal, right?
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That's something that we heard a lot during the past two years during COVID-19, and we are now living in the aftermath of this new normal.
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So I went, you know, to fly back home from Texas to, or from Florida to Texas, which is supposed to be a three-hour flight, and I ended up getting stuck at the airport for two days.
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So basically, all flights were canceled, and because airlines just don't have employees that want to work, they're dealing with staffing shortages.
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Also, the average worker nowadays just has horrible communication skills.
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So once all of these flights were canceled, there were two lines that were each about 300 to 400 people long.
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I went back the next day to try to get a different flight.
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And again, going back to the basic communication skills that had been completely lost in this country, we were initially lied to and told that it was a weather problem.
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And then it came out that it was a maintenance issue and that the plane had been overfueled.
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Now, for some reason, it took the flight attendants three hours before they were finally like, hey, let's go ahead and give the people sitting on the tarmac here some water.
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Let's go ahead and give them some communication.
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We were also told, too, hey, you might not make your connecting flight to our next destination, but also if you get off the flight, you're not going to be able to get back on the flight if we are able to connect.
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They didn't have access to medications, to their travel bags.
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A lot of people paying out of pocket because, again, the airline industry completely unprepared.
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And I think this speaks to, as well, just where we're at with the modern-day customer service, right?
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When I was younger, I remember customer service being somewhat good, people greeting you with a smile, American infrastructure, cities, shopping malls, restaurants, being clean, being fun, inviting places, kind of a way to get away from your everyday average life.
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But now it's just truly a nightmare, and I think that we see that every single day with the diversity hires that have no idea what they're doing.
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And like you talked about, you can pay for a better experience, but why is it that, what, 10, 20 years ago, every single American was able to just thoroughly enjoy this country and was able to have access to that good service?
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And now it's a small select few that have to pay extra to actually have good service in this country.
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I keep thinking about because, like, you know, we've got two small boys at home, and I just keep looking around at basic standards in the country.
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So airlines, I think this is one of the more catastrophic examples.
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I do lay that on the feet of Pete Buttigieg, and you can talk about various things like changing standards, like pushing DEI, the vaccine mandates.
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Do people remember that going into a grocery store used to actually be a fairly enjoyable experience?
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You would go in, stores were stocked well, there would be, you know, fresh food was available, fresh produce, you know, usually the first thing you see.
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There's a lot of psychological reasons they do that in stores.
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It's also the same reason that they put the highest margin products are all put at eye level, with the exception of candy, which, of course, is put at children's eye level.
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So the lowest margin products they put all the way at the top or all the way at the bottom is just one of the tricks they use in stores.
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Also the fact that you have to walk through all the way through the store to get to the milk and eggs, right?
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So those are the essentials, but they put it as far away from the door as possible.
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And then also the, what is it, counter, no, the clockwise nature of most stores.
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Anyway, long story short, Sav, are you noticing this as well in grocery stores, supermarkets, this idea that you go into the store, suddenly things aren't available anymore, stuff's falling apart?
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What are we seeing in terms of the service quality in America's industries?
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And if I have to be the Karen of society and say what we're all thinking, then so be it.
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But I think that Americans should start getting.
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Americans should start getting more vocal about this.
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And this has been the slow chipping away of our standards and expectations in society.
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Like for some reason, we just think, oh, well, because of the pandemic, this is just how things are now.
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Oh, because Gen Z has bad communication skills, this is just how things are now.
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We were told as well, like, oh, it's because minimum wage workers aren't being paid enough.
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No, my parents raised me with very high expectations.
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And so I always did the job to the best of my ability.
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But I truly feel that the average American has been told to hate their country.
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And if you hate your country, you're not going to care by extension about anything that you do.
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You're not going to want to be better and do the best that you can.
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And we're seeing that every single day in, again, just our everyday lives.
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You go to a shopping mall and a dressing room and it's completely dirty.
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You go to a restaurant and you ask your waitress to refill your glass and she rolls her eyes at you.
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And also the tip is immediately expected or just applied to the bill.
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Like you said, grocery stores now are going empty.
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Cashiers don't even bag up your items for you, Jack.
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I can't tell you how many times I've had a cashier scan my items and then watch me bag them
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for myself because I live in Austin and they don't even give you bags anymore.
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You have to bring the reusable ones and they just stand there and they watch you bag your
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And it's like I would never watch somebody else if it was my job to do this, do it themselves
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But that's the average mindset of the everyday American.
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And another thing, too, I've noticed, Jack, I don't know about you, but my average Uber
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And as a woman, I think that's a safety concern.
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I should be able to communicate with the primarily male drivers that are taking me to my destination.
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So we're seeing a definite demographic shift in this country.
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And like I said, I'll be a Karen all day because America is not supposed to run like this.
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You know, we look at it, it's more than just the service industry, right?
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It's the roads, it's the bridges, it's the infrastructure, it's America's airports.
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And meanwhile, you look at some of these areas like Far East China, you look at areas like
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Shanghai that I that I lived in for a couple of years and they're booming.
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Those cities are now the destination of capital.
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We've also completely let go of more and more standard stuff.
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Well, I think it does start with the individual.
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I think the outward expression of America, the fact that we don't value American exceptionalism
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anymore is a direct reflection of the inward rot of this country, of our values, of our culture.
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Again, the fact that we have an entire generation that has been told to hate this country.
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All of the places that you just mentioned, there's a great sense of nationalism.
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A lot of people from various other countries have pride in their country.
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And I think that is reflected via the state of their countries.
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You know, we've been undergoing subversion in this country for a long time, and we have
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So it's really about reinstilling those values, those morals, you know, teaching people to
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take self-responsibility and value hard work, value their country, value their homes.
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Where can people go to follow you to get more access to your writings and your incredible
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Also, I work with Turning Point USA as a reporter.
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You can go follow my work on Twitter at Sav underscore says, YouTube, Sav says, and same exact
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But Jack, thank you so much for having me on and for letting me be a Karen.
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Hopefully, some people understand what I'm saying here.
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Stay safe out there and be careful when you're flying because, you know, some of those people
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Folks, next up, we've got a book called Untenable.
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We've got the author of the book, Jack Cashel, who's an investigative journalist that wrote
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This book is about something that's very near and dear to my heart, something that I talk
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This is about the collapse of America's cities and, in particular, the industrial and the
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deindustrialization of the American Northeast, as well as the government programs that came
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The demonization of white flight, as it's called, or was it actually a program of ethnic
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Something that affected me and something that certainly affected the author of the book.
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And we're going to be going through this in detail.
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Folks, I'm very excited to bring on our next guest here.
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His new book is out now called Untenable, the true story of white ethnic flight from America's
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Jack, thank you so much for joining the program.
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I've got an apology up front because I have about 40 pages left in the book.
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I was power reading through it the last couple of days here.
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And I said, all right, I got to put this down, but I'll get to those last 40 pages after this.
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That being said, I've read every single page of the book.
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It resonates very closely with my own family's history.
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You're of an Irish background, but, you know, we're from the Philadelphia area.
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Tell me, what drove you to write this book and what is the book in a microcosm?
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Well, and, you know, what drove me, Jack, is the fact that I lived through the greatest
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And that was the Great Society and all of its tentacles, which were really institutionalized
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And as an adolescent, then, I got to watch what happened.
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My neighborhood, and Dostoevsky says, tell the story of your village.
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If you tell it well, you tell the story of the world.
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My village was a little village called Roseville in the midst of a city called Newark, both
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In 1960, many of my peers describe it as idyllic.
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And let me tell you how I got the title of the book.
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Most of the people who went through the transition we went through left as Democrats and ended
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up wherever they ended up as Republicans because they saw what happened.
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My one good friend stayed a Democrat, and I talked to him just last year.
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And he was the last guy out on our block, the last guy to leave.
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He was living with his widowed mother, third floor, cold water flat.
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And I said to him, I said, Artie, why finally did you leave?
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And his wife, who's pretty woke, is hovering nearby and he's trying to be careful.
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And I said, what do you mean by untenable, Artie?
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He said, well, when your mother's mugged for the second time, that's untenable.
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When your home's invaded for the second time, that's untenable.
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You take Artie's experience, Jack, multiply it by a million, and you have this story of
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Well, you know, that's perfect because my town was called Narstown, still is called Narstown.
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I'm reading your book and I've gone through page after page of it.
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And it just reminds me of exactly where I grew up, especially there was the chapter I
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just read where you talk about leaving the town and then going across the bridge to, you
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know, to the first sort of instant suburb that's there.
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And you realize that there's no amenities there.
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And in fact, these days we call those third places.
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That's exactly how I, when I grew up, I had, we had a corner store that was actually on
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our corner and it was the same corner where I picked up the bus to school.
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It would, you know, took me to the Catholic school, St. Patrick's down in Narstown, right
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And then it was, you know, that was that corner.
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You had a grocery store that was a little bit further.
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You could, you could, you were within walking distance at any time of two hospitals.
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So we had two hospitals that you could see both from my house.
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My brother was born in the other, my little brother.
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Now the one where I was born is now a vacant lot because the entire place has been demolished.
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The one where my brother was born is now this, you know, sort of county health center.
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That was because they turned our town into a sanctuary city after, you know, the whole place
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And it actually occurred to me that as, you know, reading your book that, and I've talked
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about this at times where, oh, and, and, and I'll, I'll throw out again, the house that
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I grew up in was the same house that my father grew up in because that's how it was, right?
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He bought it off of his mother and then she moved down the street, but she was there.
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The kids I played with were the sons and daughters of the kids.
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And, and what's amazing about your book is what you've done here.
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And everyone needs to go and read a copy of this is because the people who were victimized
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by these government programs, by the massive government federally backed changes in these
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cities, the, the, the killing of our cities and these communities are now blamed by the
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woke anti-racist lecturers as being, so the people who are the victims of it are now blamed
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And that's what caused the decline of the communities.
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Uh, walk us through how you break that down in the book.
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Just, uh, as a quick, uh, reflection on what you said, Jack, uh, there was a hospital within
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And, uh, I read Whitney Houston's mother's bio just to get a sense of what it was like to
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Cause she's, you know, about a generation older than I am.
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And she's, um, you know, part of the great migration.
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She, she grew up in a God-fearing, hardworking family, one of eight children, you know, and
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no welfare, no nothing, uh, put food on the table.
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And then she began to experience what we began to experience.
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And she said, you know, she had this, she called it her cozy little village within the
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And then all of a sudden there was crime, there was drugs.
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And then she turns to her husband, John, who grew up in my neighborhood, in fact, and
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Then the riots hit and then they, they leave for the suburbs, right?
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She wasn't, it wasn't, you know, that was, she was doing the good, responsible thing any
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So Whitney Houston grew up in the suburbs, you know, and my people grew up in the cities.
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And when we left for the suburbs, we had to go, you know, 50, 60 miles away to these makeshift
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suburbs, you know, carved out of the Pine Barrens in New Jersey.
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Well, and I think about it even today where, you know, we live outside of DC now with my
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kids, but it's, it's, it's a nice neighborhood.
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It's a nice suburb, but at the same time, it's not the same thing as an organic grownup
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town where you have those mixed use neighborhoods where you've got the storefronts.
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And then, you know, you've got, uh, I remember Fardman's pharmacy, Jackson's corner store,
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I can name every single store off the top of my head that we used to go to, because
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You go to the playground or you sign up for activities.
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And I, I understand that even though in many ways, the quality of my children's lives will
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I've got two little boys now, um, will be better than mine in other ways, in those communal
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And, uh, you know, I went back and looked at my block in 1950.
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Uh, but it's the last year for which censuses are available.
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And just to give you a snapshot of that block, 363 people, this is just one street, one way
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street, uh, one block long, 363 people live there.
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There are immigrants from 14 different countries.
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And of those 85 households, 83 had a married male head of household living in that house.
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And, you know, so people sat down in their stoops all day and night.
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There's always, there's a communal sense of comfort and, uh, responsibility, you know,
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There's a main commercial drag diner, two movie theaters, you know, flourish, jewelers,
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bars, restaurants, uh, Chinese restaurant, Chinese laundry.
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I love the Chinese girl who worked there, which is my, my mother could never understand why
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I went to Chinese laundry, but your clothes were always spotless.
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The beauty is that there was a family who lived in my neighborhood, the Berg family.
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It was mostly Irish and Italian, but, uh, uh, their, uh, one son that became a doctor and
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He took 2,700 pictures of our neighborhood and they're, they're collected.
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And so I have total access to what my neighborhood looked like in 1960.
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His other brother became famous, uh, Moberg, uh, the catcher spy, uh, who went on to join
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the OSS and world war two ends his days in my neighborhood, Roseville, wandering the streets,
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uh, you know, really a PTSD or whatever, getting mugged and just like everyone else.
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So there's a lot of compelling stories that come out of a total working class neighborhood.
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I don't think there was a family on my block in which there was someone with a college degree.
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Looking at the occupations, every blue collar occupation under the sun, this side of lumberjack,
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you know, casket maker, rubber molder, huckster.
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And my favorite of all the occupations, Jack was, uh, because of the 83 families, 79 of
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them, uh, had an employed male head of household, two were retired, two were unemployed.
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30 of them had, 30 of them had wives who were working outside the home.
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And the one woman lists her, her, uh, occupation is janitress, right?
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Pride of ownership, pride of work, uh, and all of it centers around the family.
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We're coming up on a break, but when I, in the next segment, I want to get into this idea
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of, you know, we had these idyllic neighborhoods.
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These were all over the Northeast, your story, my story, there's a million stories like this.
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Stop buzzing in my ear about the boring people at your office.
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I'm trying to listen to the new human events with Jack Posobiec.
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Jack Posobiec, we're here live, Washington, D.C.
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We're discussing the new book, Untenable, the story of white ethnic flight with its author,
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He, this, this, the book itself is focused on the city of Newark, but it applies to so
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Where I'm from, Norristown in the Philadelphia area, producer Fahs, he's from the New York
00:31:21.700
This is an example of a story where it affected millions of people, the largest country or one
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of the largest countries in the world, one of the most advanced countries in the world
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Or when we do, it's, you get these anti-racist New York Times columnists talking about it.
00:31:39.260
So Jack, there's, there's a section in the book where you're actually, uh, you're going,
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uh, you're, you're, you're very critical of this New York Times author because they're
00:31:53.180
They never even include the word crime in this entire essay about it.
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And I love what you did is that you didn't even necessarily directly respond to it.
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You just copied and pasted the comments from the actual New York Times readers going at
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You know, the, it was an op-ed by Leah, a woman named, a professor named Leah Bustan at
00:32:16.560
Princeton, a university I wanted to attend, but couldn't afford, but that's not here,
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Uh, and she had written a book on white flight for which she won a major award.
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And after reading her op-ed, I began to wonder who came in second that year, you know?
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Uh, but, uh, she starts off by saying, imagining the mindset of democratic strategy,
00:32:39.260
strategist in 2017, right after the election of, uh, of Donald Trump and they're attributing
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Do they wonder, is it just racism or is it, uh, racism and economics?
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And so she tries to deduce what caused white flight, racism or racism economics.
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And at the end, she concludes, she goes, you know, it makes this project that particularly
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difficult is a few of the people who left, uh, recorded why they left.
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And then she says in a moment of just wonderful condescension, I don't think they even knew
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And I, I laughed out loud when I heard that because I had already spoken to 50 people and
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they knew exactly what they left sometimes to the moment.
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They could tell you what, when they left and why they left.
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And then I had, there were 800 comments and I was reluctant to look at the comments, Jack,
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because you never know what they're going to say.
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I've thought they would just say, you weren't hard enough on those people, blah, blah, blah.
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Uh, but instead they lead off with, uh, Professor Bustin, how can you possibly write an op-ed about
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white flight and not mention the word schools or crime?
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And then I just excerpted one comment after another.
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And these are a lot of, were stories from, uh, places like from Philadelphia, from Chicago,
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from Detroit, from San Francisco, from Boston, from Compton, uh, Trenton, New Haven, people
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saying, uh, explaining them how their communities became untenable.
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And each one had a story more horrific than another, you know, neighbor shot girls, daughter's
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hair set on fire, you know, bussing, uh, 45 minutes across town to bad schools, you know,
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One story after another, after another, after another.
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And then they, and then I can't imagine how Bustin felt after reading these, these stories.
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And as they said to her, more than a few people said, okay, you've been at L UCLA, you've been
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Have you ever experienced what you're writing about?
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Cause if you had, you wouldn't be writing what you're writing.
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You know, uh, we used to have a, um, you know, a library that was a couple of blocks down
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from us and it, I, I, people could believe the story if they want to, but I'm telling
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you, it's the story, uh, that I, you know, my, my, you know, childhood, but I used to go
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Um, I would take a wagon sometimes loaded up with books, bring it back.
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And then it got to the point where the homeless started coming into the library because it
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was a free, you know, free place to use, use computers, free place to get books, free place
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Uh, there was a stabbing and then suddenly my mom didn't want me to go into the library
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But that was the place where I first started discovering how much I loved reading and knowledge.
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And if it wasn't for the, not the Norristown public library, I don't know that I would
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And so when we talk about white flight and, and, and we talk about how, uh, these areas
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have declined economically because of this, uh, people always say, oh, well, it's, you
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know, the decline in the economy led to poverty and poverty led to crime.
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And that's something that you bring out in the book as well.
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You know, I talked to, uh, Jesse Lee Peterson, a black conservative activist whom I know, and
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And, you know, he moves to Gary, uh, his family's broken up.
00:36:14.960
He's from Alabama where, you know, he lived in a black world and people respected their
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elders and they didn't commit crime and they were God fearing.
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He moves to Gary and Gary was in full collapse before industry had collapsed.
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He'd get a job in Inland Steel without hardly anyone asking questions because by that time,
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so many people, so many people his age had dropped out of the labor force because they
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Uh, or in what happened in Newark in the late 20th century, the Portuguese immigration
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came and they were not tied in with the tentacles of the state.
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They were not bound by government, uh, subsidies.
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They were, they had to make shift, make do for their own.
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And they created a beautiful little community in the crappiest part of town called Ironbound,
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Uh, so it was possible to do it, even possible to do it today.
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Uh, as long as you're not strangled by the subsidies that force fathers out of the home.
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Um, and, and, and this has been something that a few people, a lot of people put together
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like Jesse Lee Peterson, who, by the way, I shouldn't say that Jesse Lee Peterson is
00:37:25.780
Jesse Lee Peterson is amazing as, as Jesse likes to say, but, but you really do drive
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this home, this idea of fatherlessness and the fact that these great society welfare
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programs actually disincentivize fathers in the household.
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Bring, you bring in a section eight families to bring in these types of families and it
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actually creates a downward spiral because if there's a disincentive to have a, to have
00:37:52.000
a father, but also an incentive to have more children, then it's government money that's
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coming in with housing and food stamps and everything else that's actually perpetuating
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And it really started, uh, started in the fifties really, but it, it really took hold in
00:38:08.640
the sixties when it was institutionalized under Lyndon Johnson's great society program.
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And the trick was you could get food stamps, you could get welfare, you could get reduced
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The only trick was you had to get the old man out of the house.
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So in, in 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan writes this incredibly prophetic report, uh, on the Negro,
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And he says, um, you know, we're at 25% fatherlessness and my neighborhood was, uh, zero to 1% fatherlessness.
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And I'm, I'm living, you know, a mile away from these neighborhoods.
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And, um, he says the black expectations now will be high because of the passage of civil
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But the, the reality on the ground is not never going to match expectations because people
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from fatherless homes simply cannot compete writ large.
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I mean, there's exceptions, you know, you read about Ben Carson or other people, but there
00:39:07.100
are in general, as Barack Obama himself even admitted while he was running for office in
00:39:13.220
2008, the absence of fathers in the home was the greatest problem in the black community.
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And then he cited the statistics, you know, 10 times more likely to drop out of school.
00:39:22.500
20 times more likely to end up in prison, et cetera.
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Uh, and you knew what happened a few weeks after that, of course, is that Jesse Jackson
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gets picked up on a hot mic and a Fox news studio.
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He knew he was being overheard and he knew at Fox, it would be released.
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And he says, you know, Barack Obama, he talking down to black people.
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And Barack Obama got the message and never talked about fatherlessness again in any meaningful
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And it's a shame, Jack, because he's a good father.
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He was the one guy who had a chance to reverse this trend.
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He, Barack Obama could have actually come forward.
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And, and I I've noticed, we'll say something about, ah, we got to get the community together
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when the community needs re reintroduced standards.
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And then during his entire eight years, while he had the bully pulpit in the white house,
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And instead spends the last few years doing everything he possibly can to unleash the energies
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to reignite the racial tensions within the United States that led to Black Lives Matter,
00:40:43.820
that led to the George Floyd riots, that led to all sorts of burning down our cities in 2020.
00:40:49.680
A lot of those energies were released through Black Lives Matter,
00:40:53.460
through particularly the second half of Barack Obama's term in office.
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So his second term after 2012, after Ferguson, after the George Floyd riots,
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or excuse me, the, um, the Baltimore riots, Freddie Gray riots,
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which I actually were one of the first things that I covered live on, uh, on Twitter.
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When I grew up in the hood, I rolled with bloods.
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You can't be listening to all that slappy whack, trimatozolitzabam ship, nippy bam bam,
00:41:32.340
All right, Jack Posobiec here, live Washington, D.C., human events.
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The book we're discussing right now, Untenable, The True Story of White Ethnic Flight, by Jack Cashel.
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Jack Cashel has been with us, the author of the book.
00:41:47.940
You know, there's, there's actually kind of a meme that somebody,
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one of the listeners just sent in the comments here,
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saying that when, uh, when, when, uh, when white ethnic families moved out of cities,
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But then when they returned, they were, it was called gentrification.
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And it's being called gentrification more and more.
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And it's, it's actually kind of funny because it's, it doesn't matter because the victims
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And I'll, I'll point out this as well, that this is an actual feature of so many lives
00:42:21.840
in this country, an actual feature of so many families.
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Like, I mean, I just got to say, it's like my own family.
00:42:28.360
Um, you know, I was talking to my brother about this and you guys know Kevin before the show
00:42:33.720
about, um, what we lived through and my brother, um, let's just say that Kevin had a little
00:42:41.880
Well, you know, we got out of Norristown in 1996, uh, Kevin.
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Um, so we, we still ended up going to high school in Norristown.
00:42:50.300
So we're still kind of in the area, got to see the city or in the town more and more as
00:42:55.320
it fell apart and, and we were talking about the cracked up back alleys, the sirens every
00:43:01.220
single night, pit bull fights, playing wall ball, basketball hoops with milk crates, the
00:43:07.880
Uh, but then Kevin, of course, um, after he gets out of school, he decides not to, you
00:43:16.940
Kevin decides to go and live down in Kensington.
00:43:20.280
You guys remember Kensington from Philadelphia.
00:43:22.820
Uh, he was, he was working a job up there, uh, for an industry that totally got blown
00:43:29.120
But yes, my brother was in Kensington during the 2020 riots.
00:43:33.940
And this is something else that I think that Jason Aldean touched on.
00:43:38.380
And one of the reasons that Jason Aldean's video got so much outrage that it enacted so
00:43:45.000
much outrage and people are going to say, well, hold on, hold on.
00:43:50.080
He wasn't talking about interethnic violence or race, you know, race on race violence,
00:44:02.560
And in the United States, we for so long have decided for whatever reason that we're just
00:44:11.360
And it's been a cardinal rule of the United States.
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It's been a cardinal rule of the mainstream media that if you are a celebrity, so if you're
00:44:20.380
a black celebrity, you're a rapper, you can write about as much violence as you want.
00:44:25.400
You can talk about the most violent things in the world.
00:44:33.380
In fact, the NWA, if I even said what NWA stands for right now on this program, I'd be even more
00:44:47.200
But if a white celebrity like Jason Aldean talks about crime, talks about crime that's coming
00:44:57.340
from with any racial element whatsoever, so the Antifa BLM riots, you are not allowed to
00:45:03.640
talk about that because people like Jason Aldean must be the victim.
00:45:07.800
People in those small towns are the victims because they're hateful.
00:45:12.840
And as Jack Cashel just said on here, that there were other families, there were black
00:45:21.980
There were also, and in many of these cases, there have been violence that was perpetuated
00:45:32.280
Jack, I apologize for the, we had a little Zoom hiccup there, but we've got him back on
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What are your main takeaways from this story that what people need to understand and how
00:45:42.840
we could possibly move to at least start discussing what happened to America's cities?
00:45:49.980
Well, you know, the, the real, my real message was captured perfectly, but just by some random
00:45:55.840
reader who said, you know, he, he wants, he liked the book because it, it told the people
00:46:01.540
who have a home to go home to the, the history of those who don't have a home.
00:46:07.040
So by the time I was 21, I had, there was no place I could go.
00:46:14.820
And so I, it's, it's a great bond between generations in that regard.
00:46:19.820
In terms of what can be done, you know, the most superficial fix been a useful one.
00:46:24.900
We saw it happened in New York City in 1993 when New York City, the liberals of New York
00:46:32.600
City got tired of having a dirty sandbox and elected a Republican mayor, Rudy Giuliani,
00:46:38.720
between him and Michael Bloomberg for 20 years.
00:46:42.060
They reduced New York City's homicide rate from an average of 2,500 a year to an average
00:46:48.760
They were saving 2,000 lives a year, most of them people of color.
00:46:53.560
And the other thing we have to do, and this is a taking a long, boy, it's a, it's a daunting
00:47:01.640
I don't know who else will, is to use the presidential bully pulpit to start preaching family solidarity.
00:47:11.060
Anyone, a parent, a couple that gets married and stays married and has a high school degree
00:47:17.840
I mean, the, the poverty rate for people in that description, it's like less than 3%.
00:47:21.840
That's going to be a long, long rehabilitation, Jack.
00:47:27.720
You know that as well as I do, but we got to start in that way back.
00:47:37.640
I mean, you're, you're kind of inspiring me to work, maybe work with my dad and write something
00:47:41.160
about something about Norristown because, uh, you know, the stories you have or the stories
00:47:46.020
that we have or the stories that he had, the stories that an entire generation, millions
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And folks, please go and buy this book untenable, uh, by Jack Hashel.
00:47:56.880
You know, folks, I, I, I talk about my hometown a lot, but, you know, reading this book, it
00:48:03.320
brought up a lot of those memories, a lot of those emotions.
00:48:05.580
Um, my two little boys that I talk about so much, it occurred to me that I've never even
00:48:13.060
I've never even once taken them to the street where I grew up.
00:48:18.300
I've never shown them the home I grew up, I grew up in.
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I never felt like there was a need to, I never felt like there was a need to show them that
00:48:27.300
maybe when they're a little older and we're in town, you know, my parents still live just
00:48:32.200
a couple of miles from there, but never taken the time even to drive past it.
00:48:40.320
You need to tell the story of the Americans who don't have a home to go back to.
00:48:46.400
And when he talks about being dispossessed, when he talks about an entire generation,
00:48:50.920
dare I say, an entire class of people that were affected by this and the fact that there
00:48:56.300
were government programs put in place to force this soft ethnic cleansing that we aren't even
00:49:08.000
Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.