Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 527： THE TRUTH ABOUT OPPENHEIMER AND RFK JR. WITH ROGER STONE

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00:00:49.960 Now we know the document Donald Trump was showing these people with zero security clearance was an

00:00:56.340 actual highly classified document that had to do with war plans.

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00:01:57.580 the man he tried to depose in an armed rebellion just last month.

00:02:00.900 What is your advice to Ron DeSantis right now?

00:02:04.540 I think he has to get out for the good of the party.

00:02:07.460 Um, he could have waited and he would have been odds on favorite for 28th, but he didn't

00:02:13.440 do that.

00:02:14.840 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events with Jack

00:02:18.940 Posobiec.

00:02:19.320 Today is July 28th, 2023.

00:02:22.300 Anno Domini.

00:02:23.380 We've got huge breaking developments today, folks.

00:02:26.520 New indictment on President Trump and one of his maintenance men.

00:02:30.100 One that includes, by the way, a phone call, supposedly, between the two of them.

00:02:35.560 Um, does the DOJ and Jack Smith have Mar-a-Lago wired?

00:02:40.040 Do they have Bedminster wired?

00:02:41.520 What exactly is going on?

00:02:42.620 How are they able to get the contents of direct phone calls between the two of them?

00:02:47.600 We'll find out more.

00:02:48.460 We'll find out more.

00:02:49.420 But we've also got new developments in the 2024 horse race.

00:02:54.220 We're looking at Vivek Ramaswamy now coming in second place, surpassing Ron DeSantis in

00:03:00.080 his home state, Vivek's home state of Ohio.

00:03:02.860 And then on the Democrat side, you've got RFK out there eating up 20% in the polls against

00:03:09.300 sitting President Joe Biden, you know, asterisk next to his name.

00:03:13.560 To help me break down this and so much more, we bring on longtime legendary political strategist

00:03:19.340 and operative Roger Stone.

00:03:20.740 Roger, thanks for joining us again here at Human Events.

00:03:23.500 Jack, great to be with you.

00:03:25.420 I have great reverence for Human Events.

00:03:27.160 It is one of the foundational publications of the entire conservative movement.

00:03:32.360 Roger, when when we look at the current state of play in the primaries on both sides, to

00:03:41.060 me, it looks as though the on the Republican side, it looks as though this race is wrapping

00:03:46.060 up quite quickly, a lot more, a lot faster than people realized.

00:03:49.360 But then on the Democrat side, you have a huge surge for RFK.

00:03:53.800 We've got two minutes.

00:03:54.640 I'll hold you over after the break.

00:03:56.440 Explain to us the dynamic that you're seeing now.

00:03:59.000 Well, I agree with you on the Republican side.

00:04:02.980 What's amazing is that Vivek Ramaswamy is seems to be climbing, despite the fact that

00:04:08.240 he, unlike Ron DeSantis, has not spent millions of dollars advertising in some of the early

00:04:14.400 states.

00:04:15.140 So this is just on the basis of his performance on the stump and his free media approach.

00:04:21.220 I think he's helped by the fact that his basic campaign messaging has been supportive

00:04:26.780 of President Donald Trump and has been a major critic of those who are trying to disqualify

00:04:32.760 Trump through the use of lawfare.

00:04:35.480 DeSantis, by my calculations, may be out of money by October.

00:04:40.380 In other words, if you look at the small percentage of money that he's getting from small and medium

00:04:46.360 sized donors and the large number of maxed out maximum contributors, plus the the exit of

00:04:53.300 many major bundlers, I think that he's in deep trouble and he has spent millions of dollars

00:05:00.140 in these early primary and caucus states and he's just not getting any traction.

00:05:05.400 I'm reminded of the story of the guy who was in the dog food manufacturing business who

00:05:10.060 went broke because he couldn't get any orders.

00:05:12.820 And when they asked him, why did you go broke?

00:05:15.220 He said, well, the dogs just didn't like the stuff.

00:05:18.160 The dogs just didn't like the stuff at some point.

00:05:22.960 You do actually have to consider your customers.

00:05:25.760 And it it feels as though and I've had Vivek on the on the show.

00:05:29.080 I've asked him serious questions.

00:05:30.760 But at the same time, it feels just at the end of the day, like he's just read the room

00:05:34.540 a little bit better than some of these other candidates.

00:05:36.740 Thirty seconds to break.

00:05:37.920 Roger Stone, last word.

00:05:39.940 Look, no incumbent president who faced a significant challenge but turned it back has gone on to be

00:05:46.920 reelected. Robert F. Kennedy definitely poses a serious challenge to Joe Biden.

00:05:52.160 And that's why there is increasing panic in the mainstream media and the Biden camp.

00:05:58.460 I think you're exactly right about that, Roger.

00:06:00.060 I want to hold you over because that's something that I think that even conservative media hasn't

00:06:05.580 really picked up on very much, even though to their credit, they've had RFK on many times.

00:06:09.960 Even Sean Hannity had that town hall where you saw Sean Hannity get his neoconservative

00:06:15.120 desserts served to him. But I want to stay tuned because I want to talk to Roger more about this

00:06:19.740 and the historical precedent of the RFK race. Stay tuned. Human Events continues. 0.78

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00:06:29.160 All right, we're back here. Jack Posobiec, Human Events Live.

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00:07:22.420 you were breaking down for us this interesting historical trend that you've identified

00:07:26.260 with the RFK primary against Joe Biden. Walk us through this a little bit more. You're saying that

00:07:32.660 no incumbent president has ever faced a serious challenge from within their own party and then

00:07:39.800 gone on to win reelection. Does that actually bear out? Well, in modern times, so for example,

00:07:47.000 Gerald Ford turned back a very spirited challenge from Governor Ronald Reagan, went on to lose to

00:07:53.840 Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter turned back a very spirited challenge from Robert F. Kennedy's uncle,

00:08:00.300 Edward Ted Kennedy, which did not go very well, but was still got huge media coverage, went on to lose

00:08:09.480 that election to Ronald Reagan. I honestly think that Kennedy is scoring, ironically, not on the issues

00:08:17.660 of health freedom, and not even particularly on the issue of peace, which is ironic, given the changes

00:08:23.940 in the modern Democratic Party, but on the pocketbook issues, on the hollowing out of the middle class,

00:08:30.720 on the fact that housing is not available. He has a very interesting housing voucher program,

00:08:37.600 a 76% increase in the cost of groceries, the ravaging inflation. These breadbasket issues have

00:08:47.340 always had resonance within the Democratic primary, and as I think, as Robert Kennedy gets more

00:08:53.660 exposure on those issues, I think he will continue to rise. I also see in his campaign an extremely

00:09:02.020 skillful use of alternative media. He really has no choice. The three major broadcast networks,

00:09:09.920 the two major cable networks, although he gets some coverage on Fox, really have gone

00:09:17.180 out of their way to try to kneecap him, to try to censor him. Even when he gives an interview on, say, ABC,

00:09:24.200 they heavily edit it to take out sections of his messaging because they say he is spreading, quote,

00:09:30.320 misinformation, as opposed to letting the voters decide whether they believe what he has to say or not.

00:09:38.200 Yeah, Roger, I just pulled it up, as you mentioned here. So the last time this occurred, it was to a Democrat.

00:09:42.740 It was Jimmy Carter, the election of 1980. And in the same race, once again, you had a Kennedy

00:09:48.840 running against. This was the sitting senator of Massachusetts running against his own president.

00:09:55.380 Now, obviously, Ted Kennedy didn't do very well, but I don't think people realize just how well

00:09:59.580 Kennedy did in that race. So I've pulled up here the results. He won 12 states, 12 states across the

00:10:06.780 country, including New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, in the primary, New York, New Jersey,

00:10:11.100 Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C., North Dakota,

00:10:16.060 South Dakota, both Dakotas, Arizona, Utah, or excuse me, Arizona, New Mexico and California,

00:10:22.280 garnering 37.6 percent, almost 38 percent of the Democrat primary. That's a huge chunk of voters

00:10:29.700 that it looks like many of them did not later turn out for Carter as the eventual nominee,

00:10:35.260 allowing Ronald Reagan to score his upset victory in 1980, which I believe that Roger Stone knows

00:10:41.540 is a little familiar with that that particular campaign, having obviously worked on it.

00:10:47.200 Do you see some of these same trends at play here in the 2023 to 2024 cycle?

00:10:54.060 I think that everything you say is true. I also think there's another analogy, and that is I expect

00:11:01.340 the Democratic Party, the machine, which has already changed the Democratic selection process

00:11:07.460 to strip Iowa from its delegates, to strip New Hampshire of its delegates, if they dare hold those

00:11:14.300 contests, which, by the way, are mandated by state law, before the first South Carolina primary.

00:11:21.140 The real question, of course, is I think Robert Kennedy still has some of the Camelot mystique,

00:11:26.760 still has some of the Kennedy magic, and therefore, as you move to states that, unlike, say,

00:11:33.200 New Hampshire, where 90 plus percent of the voters are white, as you move to states like Nevada,

00:11:39.280 for example, where you have a larger African-American and Hispanic population, I think the Kennedy name

00:11:45.800 has greater resonance. He is also, I must say, in terms of his performance on the stump, he is

00:11:53.380 extraordinarily articulate. Now, you will never see Robert Kennedy backed into a corner. He is very

00:12:00.240 able, in terms of producing a study or a series of studies, to prove all of his arguments. It is very,

00:12:08.440 very persuasive. Now, he has this degenerative condition with his voice, but in all honesty,

00:12:14.960 after the first five minutes, you become so engrossed in what he is saying that you really

00:12:20.660 don't notice it at all that much. I think he's running a very innovative campaign, given the

00:12:26.860 limitations put on him by mainstream media.

00:12:29.960 Roger, do you then, that being said, even if he's not able to defeat Joe Biden, the way they run their

00:12:36.880 delegates in that process, what do you see as a potential outcome for him, if, as I believe, that

00:12:43.840 the, you know, the poobahs of the Democrat Party, the elites there, will eventually pull the plug on his 0.98

00:12:48.620 campaign?

00:12:50.500 Well, I do think they're going to kneecap him the way they kneecapped Bernie Sanders, but for

00:12:55.820 different reasons. A very interesting interview he gave to Laura Ingraham about a month ago,

00:13:01.360 when he was asked if he would endorse Joe Biden if he lost the Democratic nomination to him,

00:13:07.980 he essentially said, well, I'd have to think about that. Politics, that means no. Then when he was

00:13:14.460 asked if he would be willing to serve in the cabinet of a Republican president, say Donald Trump, he said,

00:13:21.980 well, I'd have to seriously consider that. Now, it's important to note that there's great historical

00:13:26.680 precedent for this. Franklin Roosevelt's Secretary of War, Frank Knox, was a Republican.

00:13:34.880 Barack Obama's Secretary of Transportation, Ray LaHood, was a Republican congressman from Illinois.

00:13:41.260 Richard Nixon, Secretary of the Treasury. John Connolly was a Democrat, later became a Republican.

00:13:47.640 John F. Kennedy, his uncle, his Secretary of the Treasury, C. Douglas Dillon, a Republican from New

00:13:53.740 Jersey. So there is a tradition of having bipartisan cabinet. And I think the Kennedy voter is not going

00:14:01.520 to be comfortable with Joe Biden at the end of this process. I think that populist voter, particularly on

00:14:08.020 the basis of the war and peace issue, particularly where Robert Kennedy wants to seal our southern

00:14:15.080 border. Robert Kennedy is very skeptical about the war in Ukraine. Those voters, I think, in the end

00:14:22.040 gravitate to Donald Trump. You know, that being said, RFK's own father obviously also served in

00:14:30.900 the cabinet, obviously famously for his own brother as attorney general. What potential role would you

00:14:36.300 see for him? Maybe a, I don't know about Secretary of Defense, but DHS, attorney general, something with

00:14:41.500 more of a legal element to it, or even HHS, potentially? HHS, the head of CDC. But perhaps

00:14:49.800 since he has been very forthright about the role of the Central Intelligence Agency in the murder of

00:14:56.600 his uncle, John F. Kennedy, and probably in the murder of his father, Robert F. Kennedy, Sr., the U.S.

00:15:03.780 senator from New York and former attorney general. I can't think of anybody who'd have a greater

00:15:09.420 motivation to clean out the deep state than Robert Kennedy. I think he'd be a great attorney

00:15:15.380 general. Now, there are some conservatives who may be concerned about his position on some social

00:15:20.600 issues. I'm pro-life. He happens to be pro-abortion. But those policies are set by a president. They're not

00:15:27.680 set by the attorney general. And I think on the broader war and peace issues and the abuses by our

00:15:35.660 intelligence agencies, he makes a lot of sense as a potential attorney general. Look, this is all

00:15:41.300 completely hypothetical. As of this moment, based on everything I've heard him say, I think he's

00:15:47.280 determined to win the Democratic nomination. And at this point, I don't think Donald Trump is talking

00:15:52.100 about Robert Kennedy. He's got other things on his mind. But politics, as you know, can evolve very

00:15:58.720 quickly. And these kind of decisions will be made in the middle and the end of next year.

00:16:04.660 Well, I have to imagine, you know, having seen the last RNC convention in 2016, we haven't actually

00:16:13.360 had a convention since that day in Cleveland in 2016. Imagine the headlines if you get Donald Trump

00:16:21.660 there in Milwaukee, as it'll be later next year, going up and saying that he's announcing that he's

00:16:28.520 going to name RFK Jr. to his cabinet. Do you what kind of effect do you think that would have on the

00:16:34.660 general? I think it would be electrifying. Look, I wrote a piece, kind of a, you know, an outside the

00:16:42.860 box piece on my sub stack several months ago, in which I talked wistfully about a Trump Kennedy

00:16:49.060 ticket. Now, let me be very clear. I don't think either man is open to that idea at this very

00:16:53.740 moment, based on everything I have read in my own conversations with Donald Trump. However, I also

00:17:00.420 recognize the legal obstacles to that. Robert Kennedy is never going to leave the party of his father

00:17:06.720 and his uncle. He's a lifelong Democrat. As he said before Congress, he's dedicated his life to the

00:17:12.460 values of the Democratic Party. That would not prevent him from serving in the cabinet. But almost

00:17:18.700 30 states require for a person to be on the ballot as a Republican candidate for federal office.

00:17:25.720 They have to be a registered member of that party, which I think really puts a Trump Kennedy ticket,

00:17:32.380 while a fanciful and interesting idea, probably highly unlikely. And that would be in the event

00:17:38.520 that either man or both men were willing. On the other hand, service in the cabinet is an entirely

00:17:45.240 different story. And I really see the fusing of a larger populist movement here in both parties,

00:17:52.960 not to mention attracting a number of independents, which Trump has demonstrated an ability to do

00:17:58.680 in the past. I think it would be a very tough combination for the Democrats to beat without,

00:18:04.320 of course, exhorting to the lawfare that they're currently trying to use in an effort to disqualify

00:18:09.720 Trump. Why? Because he's running so far ahead of Joe Biden in all of the national polls. That's why.

00:18:16.900 Roger, we've got a quick break. We're going to come back later with Roger giving us the truth

00:18:20.480 about Oppenheimer. Can't wait. Stick tuned.

00:18:22.940 You talk about influencers. These are influencers. And they're friends of mine. Jack Fosovic. Where's Jack?

00:18:34.040 He's done a great job.

00:18:39.120 Jack Fosovic, we are back here with Roger Stone. We continue our interview today,

00:18:44.980 Human Events, live from Washington, D.C. So, Roger, the whole country's talking about Oppenheimer and

00:18:50.960 Barbie and all these different movies. It's summertime. People are going to the movie theater.

00:18:55.200 I watched Oppenheimer and I was, I thought I was intrigued. I was going to be treated to a movie

00:19:01.040 about the building of the atomic bomb, America's victory in World War II, a very rah-rah patriotic

00:19:07.040 film focusing on science. That's not what the film was about at all. In fact, the film was a

00:19:13.720 hagiography of Oppenheimer and sought through Christopher Nolan. And he's a British filmmaker,

00:19:21.060 not an American filmmaker, but really seemed to answer the question as to whether or not

00:19:25.620 Oppenheimer was a communist. And it spends three hours on this, only about 10 minutes of which

00:19:32.900 you actually see an atomic bomb test. And this is the Trinity test in New Mexico, where I've actually

00:19:39.400 visited the white stands missile range. You don't, there's no shots of Hiroshima. There's no shots

00:19:44.760 of Nagasaki, no, you know, American heroes storming the beaches of Iwo Jima, the island hopping, none of

00:19:51.120 this. It's all completely omitted. But instead we're, we're feeded to these committee hearings

00:19:55.800 and Republicans are portrayed as the enemy going after these brave American liberals like Oppenheimer,

00:20:03.620 who yes, may have flirted with communism at some point, but certainly, and obviously had nothing to do

00:20:09.180 with communism whatsoever. However, they, they failed to mention that the Manhattan project itself

00:20:15.040 was penetrated by Soviet intelligence, specifically the NKVD, and did receive nuclear weapons technology,

00:20:22.900 nuclear weapons systems technology from communist sympathizers within this unit. The, this is what

00:20:29.820 kicks off the hearings. This is the reason that they were being investigated in the first place. It

00:20:35.600 wasn't a, you know, a direct personal attack. They had actual evidence of this. And in fact, there were

00:20:40.720 American spies, or I would say communist spies in America who were executed over this. Roger, do you

00:20:47.680 know, and can you lay out for us, what is the true story of Oppenheimer and the communist infiltration

00:20:53.980 in the United States starting back in the thirties all the way through? Well, this is a typical Hollywood

00:21:00.200 attempt to rewrite history. They've been at this for some time. The same people who told us, for example,

00:21:06.620 for decades, that Alger Hiss, who accompanied Franklin Roosevelt at Yalta, who was a high level

00:21:13.420 State Department official in the Roosevelt administration, was not a Russian spy. It was a

00:21:19.800 young Congressman Richard Nixon, who first took the testimony of Whitaker Chambers, a kind of rumpled

00:21:26.820 Time Magazine editor, who insisted that Hiss had been his contact to whom he passed government secrets.

00:21:35.960 Hiss had passed them to Chambers to pass on to the Communist Party. Nixon was vilified for this,

00:21:44.420 even though ultimately Alger Hiss was convicted, not of being a spy, but convicted of perjury,

00:21:51.000 lying about the facts. Hiss actually produced the microfiche film that he had gotten from Hiss and proved

00:21:59.100 that the transmittal documents had been typed on a typewriter owned by Hiss and his wife. The same

00:22:07.220 people who tell us Hiss was not a spy, by the way, were disproved because when the Soviet Union fell

00:22:13.660 and we got a hold of the KGB records, we learned that Hiss was indeed a spy and that young Congressman

00:22:20.760 Richard Nixon was absolutely right. Now they tell us, well, Joe McCarthy, you know, was on a red

00:22:27.500 scare. He ruined lives. He ruined reputations. There were no, there was no communist infiltration

00:22:33.420 in the Roosevelt and the Truman administrations. This incredible book, Blacklisted by History,

00:22:40.020 by M. Stanton Evans, which Ann Coulter called the second greatest book after the Bible,

00:22:45.740 documents meticulously the communist infiltration of our country and the fact that Senator Joe

00:22:52.540 McCarthy was essentially correct. He was right about all of it. Now, in the case of Oppenheimer,

00:22:59.540 we know that the Los Alamos project was infiltrated by communist spies, Klaus Fuchs specifically,

00:23:08.720 Carl Greenglass. These people passed our atomic secrets on to Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, both of

00:23:16.940 whom were convicted of spying for the Soviet Union and ultimately executed. Fuchs himself would be

00:23:24.220 imprisoned for his role as a special, as a Soviet spy. So the real question is, what about Oppenheimer

00:23:31.240 himself? If you go look at the reviews in the- Well then, and Roger, just to quick give the

00:23:40.160 audience, as some people may have seen and haven't seen the movie, none of these characters are even

00:23:44.180 featured in the film. None of these people are even discussed. They're not mentioned. There isn't a,

00:23:49.780 you know, nobody's watching the newsreel and hearing about the Rosenbergs and Fuchs and any of

00:23:54.820 this. It's completely omitted. And we are told that these were just, you know, patriotic American

00:24:01.660 scientists who happen to have a little bit left of center ideals. And they've been reading a bit of

00:24:07.240 reading a bit of angles and wanted to inject that to help their common man. And it doesn't even explain

00:24:13.580 that there were scientists that were directly working for Oppenheimer that formed a communist cell

00:24:20.720 and were in fact pilfering American nuclear secrets and sending them over to the Soviets.

00:24:27.800 Most specifically, Klaus Fuchs, who had infiltrated the project, was reporting at that point to the KGB.

00:24:36.860 He had originally started as a British spy. But there's no question that the entire Manhattan

00:24:42.600 project is infiltrated. And on the basis of that information, the Russians developed an atomic weapon 0.87

00:24:50.060 two years earlier than American intelligence thought they would do so. All of this is airbrushed

00:24:56.520 out of the picture in Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer himself was likely a communist. It is hinted at.

00:25:03.060 He's not just a well-meaning liberal who didn't want to drop the atomic bomb on Japan because he cared

00:25:08.680 about all these Asian people. No, I think he was likely a part of the circle of the cell of communists 0.57

00:25:16.980 that infiltrated the Manhattan Project. We will never know for certain, but the circumstantial

00:25:22.280 evidence is pretty overwhelming.

00:25:23.840 So, Roger, the film does show a bit of this. And this is where Chris Nolan kind of plays the bait

00:25:32.240 and switch, where he shows, well, yes, Oppenheimer did have a communist mistress. Yes, he was involved

00:25:37.180 with communists at Berkeley. Yes, it turns out that he has his mistress and his wife at the same time,

00:25:42.840 both of which end up being communists. He's sending money to the communist cause in the Spanish Civil War.

00:25:48.220 His brother's a communist. His brother-in-law's a communist. But there's no possible way that he

00:25:53.900 himself could have ever been one. And that was just because he cared about the United States

00:25:59.680 so very much. Are we to believe this? Are we to believe that he viewed this merely as an ideological

00:26:07.120 thing and not to the point where there are scenes where he's going to Truman saying,

00:26:12.620 we shouldn't build the hydrogen bomb. The danger of nuclear proliferation is too great. We could destroy

00:26:17.700 the world. Are we really to believe that this man had no knowledge of what was going on there?

00:26:23.220 No, I think not. You know, if you look like a communist, you smell like a communist, you walk

00:26:28.140 like a communist, you're most likely a communist. If all of your associates are communists, you're most

00:26:33.660 likely a communist. This is an attempt to deify Oppenheimer. By the way, where's Edward Teller in the

00:26:39.640 movie? Why is there no reference to him? Teller was a patriotic American and one of the most

00:26:45.960 important scientists in terms of developing this hydrogen bomb technology, almost absent in the

00:26:52.920 movie. This is a propaganda piece, which I think glosses over the high probability that Oppenheimer

00:26:58.920 himself was involved in the communist cell, which ultimately leaked our most sensitive atomic secrets

00:27:05.500 to the Soviet Union.

00:27:06.700 Well, and then so let's, let's go, let's broaden it out here, because there, you know, the idea that

00:27:15.180 the Soviets would be able to penetrate directly into the Manhattan Project, which of course, overtly 0.75

00:27:19.600 was not shared with them, doesn't it speak to potentially a larger infiltration within the

00:27:26.400 American government? And in my own series, The China Files, I walk out through how that even when I was

00:27:32.040 doing my undergrad at Temple University, I wrote an entire thesis on how it seemed as though the

00:27:37.700 Americans, the American mission in China was writing these, these missives back through the

00:27:43.680 State Department and early, the early offices of the OSS, saying, why aren't we helping? Why aren't

00:27:51.240 we helping Chiang Kai-shek? Why aren't we helping the nationalists? The communists are on the move.

00:27:55.320 Chairman Mao is about to overrun every single position we have. And we're doing nothing other than offer

00:28:00.180 basic face saving. But we know that that communist China is about to rise and take over the entire 0.92

00:28:06.340 country, whereas a lot of people have pointed out to say, well, it may have actually been deliberate.

00:28:12.160 Well, this continues right into the 1960s. When the Bay of Pigs invasion is launched, it is absolutely 0.92

00:28:18.780 clear that leaks in U.S. intelligence mean that Fidel Castro knows exactly where they are coming, the Bay of

00:28:25.780 Pigs, and when they are coming, which is why the Cuban freedom fighters storming the beaches are cut 0.94

00:28:32.220 to ribbons by Cuban sharpshooters. Also, we now know that the air cover that was supposed to be supplied

00:28:41.020 by 29 Panamanian flagged bombers, captained by Cuban pilots and flown out of Panama, were canceled by

00:28:51.720 Charles Cable, the number two man in the CIA, the day before the invasion. This is part of the invasion

00:28:57.900 plan that JFK had approved. Then when the Joint Chiefs went to Kennedy and said, you've got to order

00:29:04.000 in the U.S. Air Force, he correctly saw it would be a provocation to the Russians and a probable beginning 0.99

00:29:10.020 of World War III, and he refused to do so. That minor piece of history has now been proven, but it is

00:29:17.580 missing from all of the mainstream narratives regarding the Bay of Pigs.

00:29:23.760 Well, and it goes through again and again and again to show us that the same Hollywood, which

00:29:30.740 I tweeted this this morning, that it's been four years since Jeffrey Epstein was killed, and yet I

00:29:36.240 can't see anyone in Hollywood raising their hand and saying, I'd like to make a feature film of this.

00:29:41.820 We should make one of these streaming series about this, that Hollywood, I believe, very carefully

00:29:47.580 picks and chooses its causes, and there are certain causes that they will never make a film against.

00:29:53.660 One minute, Roger Stone.

00:29:55.300 Well, Jack, it's just coincidental that the security cameras just happened to be turned off

00:29:59.740 at the exact time that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. Kind of like the security cameras at the

00:30:05.340 White House don't capture who it was who left that little bag of cocaine. We're expected to believe

00:30:10.300 this nonsense, or I believe the latest that the 911 call log up at Martha's Vineyard doesn't record

00:30:18.900 the name of the second paddleboarder who is there with the pad. It's every time, right? Every single

00:30:25.700 time, there's always this piece of information that we seem to be lost when it comes to one of

00:30:31.680 these investigations into a suspicious death around the president or one of their connections when they

00:30:36.660 seem to be part of this click. Stay tuned. We're coming back with more final segment with Roger Stone

00:30:42.500 after the break, the truth about communists' infiltration into the U.S. government.

00:30:47.320 All right, we're back here. Jack Posobiec, human events, live Washington, D.C. Roger Stone breaking

00:31:03.920 down for us the truth about Oppenheimer, the infiltration of the United States government in

00:31:08.640 the 1930s, the 1940s, through the 1960s. Roger, this was my thesis. And you tell me if I'm wrong.

00:31:14.980 Tell me if I'm out of, you know, out of line in here. But I wrote this when I was in living in

00:31:20.660 Shanghai, pulling up these declassified State Department cables from basically this period just

00:31:28.340 at the end of World War II and that but before the communists had taken over China. So 1945 to 1949

00:31:34.880 from inside China. And it it seems as though that the communists were essentially allowed to take

00:31:44.420 China, who's responsible for the fall of China becomes sort of the the parlor game in D.C. after 0.72

00:31:48.800 this. And it seems as though it's the administration and by and large or but perhaps the deal had been

00:31:54.440 struck earlier, because there's this huge push and you do see the same push echoed in the Oppenheimer

00:32:01.640 film for the idea that the United Nations should then become a form of a form of one world government,

00:32:09.600 basically. And they're chasing this idea of a one world government and this globalist ideal,

00:32:14.180 which goes all the way back to Wilson and Geneva and the rest of it. But it looks as though,

00:32:21.040 you know, communist China was the dowry for the Soviet Union to go along with the United Nations 0.86

00:32:28.180 plan. And I've never in the rest of my life since then found any information that actually dispels that

00:32:35.300 that's actually what happened. And so when we talk about the real history of World War II,

00:32:40.780 it seems that all of these decisions are completely omitted.

00:32:43.440 Well, it's kind of interesting in the movie Oppenheimer, while they don't say that Oppenheimer

00:32:48.840 is a communist, they continually imply that he is at a minimum a fellow traveler. And I think that

00:32:55.480 that is a very common happenstance in the 30s, 40s and 50s. People will say, oh, name one communist

00:33:05.560 who was exposed by Joe McCarthy. Where? Well, Harry Dexter White, a high level treasury official who gets

00:33:13.360 the engraving printing plates for American currency over to the Soviets. There's a perfect example. 0.99

00:33:19.700 Now, I think if you, again, this is, I think, the single best text blacklisted by history by M.

00:33:27.480 Stanton Evans, who wrote extensively for Human Events, by the way, former boy editor of the Indianapolis

00:33:34.120 News, founder of the American Conservative Union, in on the founding of Young Americans for Freedom.

00:33:39.840 He heavily documents the communist infiltration of both the Roosevelt and the Truman administrations.

00:33:47.880 It was not, as Harry Truman said, a red herring. And of course, as I said earlier, the epic role played

00:33:55.100 by Alger Hiss, a communist spy, for which Richard Nixon was vilified for decades, for which he was

00:34:02.220 hated, but proven when the Soviet Union fell, that Hiss was, in fact, a spy at Franklin Roosevelt's right hand.

00:34:13.220 So, Roger, was this, at some point, you believe, was this the original intention, League of Nations,

00:34:21.220 the United Nations? Today, you can fast forward all the way up to today, and they call it, what, the rules-based order.

00:34:27.400 It seems to be this idea that the creation of a one-world government will prevent, and we've all

00:34:33.700 heard the line, right, this will prevent war from breaking out again, Francis Fukuyama tells us,

00:34:39.300 it's the end of history, one global government, one currency, et cetera, to rule them all, that being,

00:34:46.400 of course, the U.S. dollar. Does this indeed play into some of these decisions?

00:34:51.880 No, I don't think there's any question. What they really want to do is do away with American 1.00

00:34:56.020 sovereignty, that we would be, we would go, as Wendell Wilkie said, to one world, meaning one

00:35:02.160 world government. They want to erase American sovereignty. The World Economic Forum is very

00:35:08.780 blunt about their plans. Even though those guys are like Batman cartoon villains, there's nothing

00:35:16.760 funny about their agenda. Although, let me say this, Jack, and I want to make it very clear,

00:35:21.340 no matter what, I'm not eating any bugs, period.

00:35:26.300 No, no bugs in the, Roger. But, Roger, we're told there's such a source of protein. In fact,

00:35:31.340 NPR calls that a racist conspiracy theory. And then if only one wants to go and look at some

00:35:39.000 of NPR's previous reporting, you can find article after article after article of NPR actually

00:35:44.880 encouraging the eating of bugs. And no, I agree with you, Roger. I think this is something that

00:35:50.800 it's a piece of U.S. history that I would love to see. You know, I mentioned before about an Epstein 0.95

00:35:56.900 movie. And look, we've all seen the success of Sound of Freedom. Roger, do you think that it's

00:36:01.680 possible that we have books about these shades of history that are never told, these forgotten shades

00:36:08.740 or hidden shades of history? We've got, you know, obviously shows like myself, your own. Do you think

00:36:14.020 that there's a market now that's possibly viable with Angel Studios or other crowdfunding that we

00:36:19.280 could actually get some feature films made about some of these topics? One would hope so. Look,

00:36:25.360 I think it is important to look at it historically. Art has often affected popular culture and popular

00:36:31.500 opinion. So Oliver Stone's movie JFK leads to an upheaval in which the Kennedy assassination

00:36:39.040 is reexamined by the Congress, reexamined by the American people. It's a great movie. I got a nice

00:36:46.780 note from Oliver Stone after the movie. He read my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against

00:36:53.340 LBJ. And he told me he wished he had read my book before he produced the movie because he minimized the

00:36:59.740 role of Lyndon Johnson in John F. Kennedy's assassination. So I think this is a unique opportunity.

00:37:06.220 I must tell you, Sound of Freedom is one of the most incredible experiences I have had. First of all,

00:37:14.380 it really blew me away when I went to see it. I also had the opportunity to interview Eduardo

00:37:20.500 Verostegui, the producer and one of the actors in the movie, who's now thinking about running for

00:37:27.120 president of Mexico. The number of eyes that have been opened through this powerful film

00:37:33.380 is really edifying. And it leads me to believe that what you just said is absolutely true.

00:37:39.160 More feature length films telling the truth about history and the truth about some of these issues

00:37:45.460 is the way through pop culture to get more people to understand what has really happened,

00:37:50.580 what has really happened and what is really happening today.

00:37:54.380 Now, do you and do you and Oliver run into each other at family reunions? Are you guys at the

00:37:59.000 barbecue there together? I'm friends with his son, Sean Stone, who probably his politics are probably

00:38:05.880 closer to yours and mine than he is to his father. Oliver never really understood the dangers of the

00:38:12.620 Soviet Union or of Russian communism. And of course, he has deified Fidel Castro. But his son,

00:38:19.780 Sean Stone, who is not a right winger by any means, but a bit more of a libertarian,

00:38:24.920 is a brilliant filmmaker in his own right. And I'm in touch with him.

00:38:31.000 Well, you know, maybe we have to hook him up with Amanda Milius as the daughter of John Milius,

00:38:37.160 and we can get that, you know, the next generation of filmmakers together. All right. So, Roger,

00:38:42.240 let's let I've got some questions. The chat's popping off right here. So when the Roger Stone

00:38:47.000 feature film is made, I mean, there's documentary after documentary about you. But when the feature film

00:38:51.820 is made, who do you want playing you? That's obvious. James Woods should play me without any

00:38:56.980 question whatsoever. James. All right. Well, what about what about in your younger years,

00:39:01.600 though? What about young Roger Stone? That's that's a much tougher one. I'm less familiar

00:39:05.860 with younger actors. But James Woods plays Bob Haldeman in Oliver Stone's film Nixon. And he

00:39:13.660 absolutely positively nails it. So that's who I want to play me in my older years. Of course,

00:39:20.380 I'm still a young man. But in my much older years, what we do, the they have the, you know,

00:39:26.080 the CGI, the de-aging, right? Not that you'd need much of it. But we'll do that for for James when

00:39:31.040 it's the younger years. Roger, just one minute left. Where can people go to follow you? What

00:39:35.540 should people be looking at over the next couple of weeks? Sure. They can go every day at five o'clock

00:39:41.880 Eastern to StoneZone.live to catch my daily show. They can also go to WABC radio on Sundays by

00:39:50.280 going to W.A.B.C. radio dot com from three to five o'clock Sunday afternoons. This coming

00:39:57.760 weekend, we have Garrett Ziegler from the Marco Polo Foundation of Marco Polo Research Group. Pardon

00:40:04.260 me. We have Cash Patel and we also have Nick Adams, the ultimate alpha male. So you want to tune in for

00:40:11.820 that W.A.B.C. radio dot com this Sunday from three to five. I like Nick Adams. You know,

00:40:19.220 he keeps inviting my brother out to those events they have down there in Tampa. I think he's trying

00:40:23.000 to steal him away from me. Well, I've had the opportunity to knock back a few cold domestic 1.00

00:40:28.940 beers with him at Hooters. He's a terrific guy. He's a great patriot. You should tell your brother to

00:40:34.100 hook up with it for sure. All right. We'll take heaven. He's he just hit it across his one year

00:40:39.960 down there in the in the land of Florida with you guys. So we'll have to see Roger Stone. Always a

00:40:45.360 pleasure. Everyone, if you are not following Roger Stone, then you are not doing politics right. This

00:40:51.500 man has forgotten more than most operatives will ever learn in their lifetime. Make sure you go to

00:40:57.000 follow him. Coming back, we've got a very special interview with a new type of connection platform

00:41:03.220 for conservatives in business and not only people who are in business, but people who are looking

00:41:08.660 for jobs. This is very interesting and it's part of the new parallel economy. Stay tuned. Human events

00:41:14.160 continues. When I grew up in the hood, I rolled with bloods and them boys had a saying. You can't be

00:41:22.780 listening to all that slappy, whack, trimatazol, it's a bam ship, nippy, bam, bam, like human events

00:41:28.640 with Jack Posobiec. All right, Jack Posobiec, we're back here live with human events. I wanted to bring

00:41:35.720 in now very special guest, Andrew Krappichatz. He is the founder and CEO of a new firm. It's actually a

00:41:42.260 service called Red Balloon. And we've been talking so much here on human events about the need for the

00:41:49.820 parallel economy, different people, different players getting involved in the parallel economy.

00:41:54.500 Vivek Ramaswamy, this was really his big claim to fame before he ran for office, that he was getting

00:41:59.720 involved in the payment processor aspect of this. By the way, Vivek, whatever happens, I want you to

00:42:06.500 make sure that the payment processor still goes through because we absolutely need that. People

00:42:12.200 are going to be getting banned for their politics very soon in terms of payment processing. And so we need

00:42:17.020 this on the board. Vivek Ramaswamy is another example of this. And the latest to come along

00:42:21.620 is Red Balloon. Andrew, thank you so much for joining us today. Tell us about Red Balloon and

00:42:25.680 what led you to found it. Yeah, thanks for having me, Jack. So I was the CEO of actually a reasonably

00:42:31.340 large tech company about two years ago. And we kind of hit COVID and BLM and George Floyd and all the

00:42:37.340 craziness. And I started having my board tell me I had to make statements that I totally disagreed with

00:42:42.020 or else it was going to cost me my job. And so I stuck with my guns and found myself delightfully

00:42:47.260 unemployed. And I thought, wow, if this happened to me, it's probably going to happen to a lot of

00:42:51.000 other Americans who are going to have to decide between their job and their values. And I don't

00:42:55.120 think that's right. And so Red Balloon dot work and it's dot work, not dot com because dot com sent

00:43:01.160 it too much like communist to me. And we want to get back to work, not communism. So Red Balloon dot

00:43:06.960 work. Someone was listening to the show prior to you coming on. That's right. And so we are we're a

00:43:15.800 hybrid job board. We have now in 18 months, we have over 3000 businesses who have signed a pledge

00:43:22.220 that they believe in freedom. They believe in the Constitution. They will protect the freedom of

00:43:25.940 people coming to work for them. And we've had over a million job seekers who are eager for freedom

00:43:31.180 because when you're free at work, it is amazing the impact it has on every other aspect of your

00:43:37.040 life. And so early on, Donald Trump Jr. got involved with Red Balloon. Public Square is a big

00:43:43.800 partner of ours because we realized that we're in a moment in American history that if you are a

00:43:49.280 conservative and you get canceled from Facebook, you kind of shrug it off. But if you get canceled

00:43:53.380 from your job and your ability to feed your kids, pay your mortgage, that is a lever that will cause

00:43:59.840 you to at least be tempted to compromise some of your values. And we want to be able to give people

00:44:04.760 a landing place if they do lose their job because they stuck with their guns. And so that's what

00:44:09.600 Red Balloon dot work is. And it's been a really fun adventure. It's the only business I've ever run

00:44:14.020 where I get unsolicited thank you notes from perfect strangers who say, you know, you change the

00:44:18.440 trajectory of my family. You save my marriage because I now have a job where I can be free and I didn't

00:44:23.580 realize what an impact it would have. So anyway, that's Red Balloon. It's been really fun company to build.

00:44:28.340 Well, I think that's amazing, you know, and Public Square, it's obviously it's a place for to hang

00:44:34.360 your business or if you're going to look for businesses. But look, I'm not going to give away

00:44:38.940 anyone's personal information, but there are people that I know in my personal life. There are people

00:44:43.180 who are involved with this show that have told me that very same story or even not so much they lost

00:44:48.760 their job, but that or, you know, they were put in a position they didn't want to be in or just that

00:44:52.780 they were sick of being in that that part of the woke corporate world where every single day you're

00:45:00.420 forced to bite your tongue, you're forced to endure another woke training, telling you to put

00:45:07.240 your pronouns at the bottom of your emails, that kind of stuff that finally, I mean, I think what

00:45:11.720 you're doing is, you know, getting a you're filling a niche that's needed. And I don't know,

00:45:18.020 by the way, I got to ask is is red balloon? Is that a reference to the song? Is that a reference

00:45:22.340 to the, you know, basically, anti-communist songs that's ever been written? That's right. Actually,

00:45:30.540 it has lots of meaning. So there was also a family that escaped from East Germany on a hot air balloon.

00:45:37.160 And if you've ever been on a hot air balloon, it's a little bit terrifying and a lot bit fun,

00:45:40.860 kind of like looking for a job. And people are going to red states and red businesses and red

00:45:45.260 regions of blue state. So there's lots of meeting built. It's all there. It's like your work is

00:45:52.500 really good for you. So. So you're taking right. So you're taking that because that Nina, I think,

00:45:58.460 was the band right now. Luftballons. Right. And so it's it's that's the red balloons come across the

00:46:03.280 the the Berlin Wall. Right. And then so in your version, it's the balloon that takes you out of your

00:46:09.020 your blue state, your blue job and and, you know, potentially brings you to a red state.

00:46:13.320 That being said, though, I think a lot of these jobs, I mean, a lot of people are you seeing this

00:46:17.100 as well in the market? Because you are in the job market as well outside of politics. Are people

00:46:22.760 really moving back to the workplace or is this or is work from home really having the staying power

00:46:27.380 that I think a lot of workers are going for? No, that's a great question. A lot of businesses are

00:46:32.460 tired of work from home and we are seeing people move back. What we're seeing actually, which is really

00:46:37.680 interesting, is a lot of the red balloon companies are establishing what we call micro offices. So

00:46:41.860 they're saying, look, we have a critical mass of employees in Pulse, Oklahoma or Spokane, Washington,

00:46:47.280 some of these second level metros. And so let's try and get the the momentum of an office with a

00:46:53.240 very small group of people because we're not going to get everybody to move back to Dallas or Fort

00:46:58.920 Lauderdale or some of these bigger metros. And so that's kind of this middle ground that a lot of the

00:47:03.460 employers are starting to establish. And I'll tell you, the companies that are hiring,

00:47:08.940 a lot of them are finding that there's a ton of job seekers who are eager to relocate from places

00:47:13.880 like California and New York and Illinois because the job seekers on red balloon are realizing that

00:47:19.680 living there with your family anymore is simply not safe beyond the fact that your freedoms are

00:47:25.420 being curb stomped constantly, not only at the job, but at the city level. So we're seeing a lot of

00:47:31.720 workers who are saying, look, I'm a conservative. I don't like to move. We like to put down roots.

00:47:35.980 We like to stay places. But the time has come. It's time to leave Chicago. It's time to leave New

00:47:40.380 York and go somewhere where I can be free. And so help red balloons been helping a lot of people

00:47:44.380 facilitate that move. We we just had the author Jack Cashel on yesterday about his his fantastic

00:47:51.160 new book. And that's exactly what it's about. It's called untenable. And it's it's basically about

00:47:56.300 the death of our cities. And he tells his personal family story. I have some personal stories. I think

00:48:01.160 everybody knows someone or has experienced it themselves. Unfortunately, tell everybody where

00:48:05.380 can they go? How do they sign up for this service? I think it's fantastic. And I commend you for setting

00:48:10.360 this up. Yeah, thank you. Red balloon dot work. You can go there. You can sign up as a job seeker.

00:48:15.760 Everything's totally free. If you're looking for a job, you can fill out a profile. It's a self

00:48:20.200 sovereign profile. So unlike LinkedIn or something else, we're not going to sell your data. If you want

00:48:25.020 to have your profile visible to employers, you can share it. But it's a self sovereign profile because we

00:48:29.920 believe in privacy, in fact, and freedom. So for a job seeker, you can go there's ton of great

00:48:34.620 resources. We have an employee bill of rights that is a free resource that you can download and

00:48:39.560 understand what your rights are. So if you're stuck at a woke company, we can tell you what you're 0.99

00:48:43.800 allowed to do legally to push back against some of the craziness. If you're an employer, we have lots

00:48:49.520 and lots of job seekers who are eager to come work for your company. And you can either post jobs,

00:48:54.480 you can look at our profile database of people who are ready to jump, or we can actually come

00:49:00.360 alongside and help you with that hiring process. We do that for Moms for America and lots of other 1.00

00:49:04.680 folks. Got to run. Thank you so much for being on. Really appreciate it, folks. Play in your exit.

00:49:10.040 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - July 28, 2023

EPISODE 527： THE TRUTH ABOUT OPPENHEIMER AND RFK JR. WITH ROGER STONE

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