EPISODE 527： THE TRUTH ABOUT OPPENHEIMER AND RFK JR. WITH ROGER STONE
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On today's episode of Human Events, Jack Posobiec is joined by political strategist and operative Roger Stone to discuss all the latest breaking news involving the Trump administration and the Russia investigation. Plus, we take a look at the latest developments in the Democratic primary race between Ron DeSantis and Andrew Yang.
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actual highly classified document that had to do with war plans.
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They've now added a charge against Donald Trump.
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Yeah, that's on top of the four cents yesterday.
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Facebook executives discussed in July of 2021 how they managed users' posts about the origin
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of the pandemic that the White House wanted to control.
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Facebook's vice president in charge of content policy emailing were under pressure from the
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Clinton's jab came as a response to a left-wing think tank's post about hot temperatures this
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Out of sight for 30 days, questions circulating on his whereabouts.
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China's foreign minister, Qinggang, replaced by his predecessor, Wang Yi.
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the man he tried to depose in an armed rebellion just last month.
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I think he has to get out for the good of the party.
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Um, he could have waited and he would have been odds on favorite for 28th, but he didn't
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events with Jack
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We've got huge breaking developments today, folks.
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New indictment on President Trump and one of his maintenance men.
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One that includes, by the way, a phone call, supposedly, between the two of them.
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Um, does the DOJ and Jack Smith have Mar-a-Lago wired?
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How are they able to get the contents of direct phone calls between the two of them?
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But we've also got new developments in the 2024 horse race.
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We're looking at Vivek Ramaswamy now coming in second place, surpassing Ron DeSantis in
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And then on the Democrat side, you've got RFK out there eating up 20% in the polls against
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sitting President Joe Biden, you know, asterisk next to his name.
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To help me break down this and so much more, we bring on longtime legendary political strategist
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Roger, thanks for joining us again here at Human Events.
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It is one of the foundational publications of the entire conservative movement.
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Roger, when when we look at the current state of play in the primaries on both sides, to
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me, it looks as though the on the Republican side, it looks as though this race is wrapping
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up quite quickly, a lot more, a lot faster than people realized.
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But then on the Democrat side, you have a huge surge for RFK.
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Explain to us the dynamic that you're seeing now.
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What's amazing is that Vivek Ramaswamy is seems to be climbing, despite the fact that
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he, unlike Ron DeSantis, has not spent millions of dollars advertising in some of the early
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So this is just on the basis of his performance on the stump and his free media approach.
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I think he's helped by the fact that his basic campaign messaging has been supportive
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of President Donald Trump and has been a major critic of those who are trying to disqualify
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DeSantis, by my calculations, may be out of money by October.
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In other words, if you look at the small percentage of money that he's getting from small and medium
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sized donors and the large number of maxed out maximum contributors, plus the the exit of
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many major bundlers, I think that he's in deep trouble and he has spent millions of dollars
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in these early primary and caucus states and he's just not getting any traction.
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I'm reminded of the story of the guy who was in the dog food manufacturing business who
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He said, well, the dogs just didn't like the stuff.
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The dogs just didn't like the stuff at some point.
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You do actually have to consider your customers.
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And it it feels as though and I've had Vivek on the on the show.
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But at the same time, it feels just at the end of the day, like he's just read the room
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a little bit better than some of these other candidates.
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Look, no incumbent president who faced a significant challenge but turned it back has gone on to be
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reelected. Robert F. Kennedy definitely poses a serious challenge to Joe Biden.
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And that's why there is increasing panic in the mainstream media and the Biden camp.
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I think you're exactly right about that, Roger.
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I want to hold you over because that's something that I think that even conservative media hasn't
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really picked up on very much, even though to their credit, they've had RFK on many times.
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Even Sean Hannity had that town hall where you saw Sean Hannity get his neoconservative
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desserts served to him. But I want to stay tuned because I want to talk to Roger more about this
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and the historical precedent of the RFK race. Stay tuned. Human Events continues.
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All right, we're back here. Jack Posobiec, Human Events Live.
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you were breaking down for us this interesting historical trend that you've identified
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with the RFK primary against Joe Biden. Walk us through this a little bit more. You're saying that
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no incumbent president has ever faced a serious challenge from within their own party and then
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gone on to win reelection. Does that actually bear out? Well, in modern times, so for example,
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Gerald Ford turned back a very spirited challenge from Governor Ronald Reagan, went on to lose to
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Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter turned back a very spirited challenge from Robert F. Kennedy's uncle,
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Edward Ted Kennedy, which did not go very well, but was still got huge media coverage, went on to lose
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that election to Ronald Reagan. I honestly think that Kennedy is scoring, ironically, not on the issues
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of health freedom, and not even particularly on the issue of peace, which is ironic, given the changes
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in the modern Democratic Party, but on the pocketbook issues, on the hollowing out of the middle class,
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on the fact that housing is not available. He has a very interesting housing voucher program,
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a 76% increase in the cost of groceries, the ravaging inflation. These breadbasket issues have
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always had resonance within the Democratic primary, and as I think, as Robert Kennedy gets more
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exposure on those issues, I think he will continue to rise. I also see in his campaign an extremely
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skillful use of alternative media. He really has no choice. The three major broadcast networks,
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the two major cable networks, although he gets some coverage on Fox, really have gone
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out of their way to try to kneecap him, to try to censor him. Even when he gives an interview on, say, ABC,
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they heavily edit it to take out sections of his messaging because they say he is spreading, quote,
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misinformation, as opposed to letting the voters decide whether they believe what he has to say or not.
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Yeah, Roger, I just pulled it up, as you mentioned here. So the last time this occurred, it was to a Democrat.
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It was Jimmy Carter, the election of 1980. And in the same race, once again, you had a Kennedy
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running against. This was the sitting senator of Massachusetts running against his own president.
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Now, obviously, Ted Kennedy didn't do very well, but I don't think people realize just how well
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Kennedy did in that race. So I've pulled up here the results. He won 12 states, 12 states across the
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country, including New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, in the primary, New York, New Jersey,
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Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C., North Dakota,
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South Dakota, both Dakotas, Arizona, Utah, or excuse me, Arizona, New Mexico and California,
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garnering 37.6 percent, almost 38 percent of the Democrat primary. That's a huge chunk of voters
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that it looks like many of them did not later turn out for Carter as the eventual nominee,
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allowing Ronald Reagan to score his upset victory in 1980, which I believe that Roger Stone knows
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is a little familiar with that that particular campaign, having obviously worked on it.
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Do you see some of these same trends at play here in the 2023 to 2024 cycle?
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I think that everything you say is true. I also think there's another analogy, and that is I expect
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the Democratic Party, the machine, which has already changed the Democratic selection process
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to strip Iowa from its delegates, to strip New Hampshire of its delegates, if they dare hold those
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contests, which, by the way, are mandated by state law, before the first South Carolina primary.
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The real question, of course, is I think Robert Kennedy still has some of the Camelot mystique,
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still has some of the Kennedy magic, and therefore, as you move to states that, unlike, say,
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New Hampshire, where 90 plus percent of the voters are white, as you move to states like Nevada,
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for example, where you have a larger African-American and Hispanic population, I think the Kennedy name
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has greater resonance. He is also, I must say, in terms of his performance on the stump, he is
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extraordinarily articulate. Now, you will never see Robert Kennedy backed into a corner. He is very
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able, in terms of producing a study or a series of studies, to prove all of his arguments. It is very,
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very persuasive. Now, he has this degenerative condition with his voice, but in all honesty,
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after the first five minutes, you become so engrossed in what he is saying that you really
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don't notice it at all that much. I think he's running a very innovative campaign, given the
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Roger, do you then, that being said, even if he's not able to defeat Joe Biden, the way they run their
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delegates in that process, what do you see as a potential outcome for him, if, as I believe, that
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the, you know, the poobahs of the Democrat Party, the elites there, will eventually pull the plug on his
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Well, I do think they're going to kneecap him the way they kneecapped Bernie Sanders, but for
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different reasons. A very interesting interview he gave to Laura Ingraham about a month ago,
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when he was asked if he would endorse Joe Biden if he lost the Democratic nomination to him,
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he essentially said, well, I'd have to think about that. Politics, that means no. Then when he was
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asked if he would be willing to serve in the cabinet of a Republican president, say Donald Trump, he said,
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well, I'd have to seriously consider that. Now, it's important to note that there's great historical
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precedent for this. Franklin Roosevelt's Secretary of War, Frank Knox, was a Republican.
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Barack Obama's Secretary of Transportation, Ray LaHood, was a Republican congressman from Illinois.
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Richard Nixon, Secretary of the Treasury. John Connolly was a Democrat, later became a Republican.
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John F. Kennedy, his uncle, his Secretary of the Treasury, C. Douglas Dillon, a Republican from New
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Jersey. So there is a tradition of having bipartisan cabinet. And I think the Kennedy voter is not going
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to be comfortable with Joe Biden at the end of this process. I think that populist voter, particularly on
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the basis of the war and peace issue, particularly where Robert Kennedy wants to seal our southern
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border. Robert Kennedy is very skeptical about the war in Ukraine. Those voters, I think, in the end
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gravitate to Donald Trump. You know, that being said, RFK's own father obviously also served in
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the cabinet, obviously famously for his own brother as attorney general. What potential role would you
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see for him? Maybe a, I don't know about Secretary of Defense, but DHS, attorney general, something with
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more of a legal element to it, or even HHS, potentially? HHS, the head of CDC. But perhaps
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since he has been very forthright about the role of the Central Intelligence Agency in the murder of
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his uncle, John F. Kennedy, and probably in the murder of his father, Robert F. Kennedy, Sr., the U.S.
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senator from New York and former attorney general. I can't think of anybody who'd have a greater
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motivation to clean out the deep state than Robert Kennedy. I think he'd be a great attorney
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general. Now, there are some conservatives who may be concerned about his position on some social
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issues. I'm pro-life. He happens to be pro-abortion. But those policies are set by a president. They're not
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set by the attorney general. And I think on the broader war and peace issues and the abuses by our
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intelligence agencies, he makes a lot of sense as a potential attorney general. Look, this is all
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completely hypothetical. As of this moment, based on everything I've heard him say, I think he's
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determined to win the Democratic nomination. And at this point, I don't think Donald Trump is talking
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about Robert Kennedy. He's got other things on his mind. But politics, as you know, can evolve very
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quickly. And these kind of decisions will be made in the middle and the end of next year.
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Well, I have to imagine, you know, having seen the last RNC convention in 2016, we haven't actually
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had a convention since that day in Cleveland in 2016. Imagine the headlines if you get Donald Trump
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there in Milwaukee, as it'll be later next year, going up and saying that he's announcing that he's
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going to name RFK Jr. to his cabinet. Do you what kind of effect do you think that would have on the
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general? I think it would be electrifying. Look, I wrote a piece, kind of a, you know, an outside the
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box piece on my sub stack several months ago, in which I talked wistfully about a Trump Kennedy
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ticket. Now, let me be very clear. I don't think either man is open to that idea at this very
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moment, based on everything I have read in my own conversations with Donald Trump. However, I also
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recognize the legal obstacles to that. Robert Kennedy is never going to leave the party of his father
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and his uncle. He's a lifelong Democrat. As he said before Congress, he's dedicated his life to the
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values of the Democratic Party. That would not prevent him from serving in the cabinet. But almost
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30 states require for a person to be on the ballot as a Republican candidate for federal office.
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They have to be a registered member of that party, which I think really puts a Trump Kennedy ticket,
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while a fanciful and interesting idea, probably highly unlikely. And that would be in the event
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that either man or both men were willing. On the other hand, service in the cabinet is an entirely
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different story. And I really see the fusing of a larger populist movement here in both parties,
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not to mention attracting a number of independents, which Trump has demonstrated an ability to do
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in the past. I think it would be a very tough combination for the Democrats to beat without,
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of course, exhorting to the lawfare that they're currently trying to use in an effort to disqualify
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Trump. Why? Because he's running so far ahead of Joe Biden in all of the national polls. That's why.
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Roger, we've got a quick break. We're going to come back later with Roger giving us the truth
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You talk about influencers. These are influencers. And they're friends of mine. Jack Fosovic. Where's Jack?
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Jack Fosovic, we are back here with Roger Stone. We continue our interview today,
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Human Events, live from Washington, D.C. So, Roger, the whole country's talking about Oppenheimer and
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Barbie and all these different movies. It's summertime. People are going to the movie theater.
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I watched Oppenheimer and I was, I thought I was intrigued. I was going to be treated to a movie
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about the building of the atomic bomb, America's victory in World War II, a very rah-rah patriotic
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film focusing on science. That's not what the film was about at all. In fact, the film was a
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hagiography of Oppenheimer and sought through Christopher Nolan. And he's a British filmmaker,
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not an American filmmaker, but really seemed to answer the question as to whether or not
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Oppenheimer was a communist. And it spends three hours on this, only about 10 minutes of which
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you actually see an atomic bomb test. And this is the Trinity test in New Mexico, where I've actually
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visited the white stands missile range. You don't, there's no shots of Hiroshima. There's no shots
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of Nagasaki, no, you know, American heroes storming the beaches of Iwo Jima, the island hopping, none of
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this. It's all completely omitted. But instead we're, we're feeded to these committee hearings
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and Republicans are portrayed as the enemy going after these brave American liberals like Oppenheimer,
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who yes, may have flirted with communism at some point, but certainly, and obviously had nothing to do
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with communism whatsoever. However, they, they failed to mention that the Manhattan project itself
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was penetrated by Soviet intelligence, specifically the NKVD, and did receive nuclear weapons technology,
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nuclear weapons systems technology from communist sympathizers within this unit. The, this is what
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kicks off the hearings. This is the reason that they were being investigated in the first place. It
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wasn't a, you know, a direct personal attack. They had actual evidence of this. And in fact, there were
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American spies, or I would say communist spies in America who were executed over this. Roger, do you
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know, and can you lay out for us, what is the true story of Oppenheimer and the communist infiltration
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in the United States starting back in the thirties all the way through? Well, this is a typical Hollywood
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attempt to rewrite history. They've been at this for some time. The same people who told us, for example,
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for decades, that Alger Hiss, who accompanied Franklin Roosevelt at Yalta, who was a high level
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State Department official in the Roosevelt administration, was not a Russian spy. It was a
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young Congressman Richard Nixon, who first took the testimony of Whitaker Chambers, a kind of rumpled
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Time Magazine editor, who insisted that Hiss had been his contact to whom he passed government secrets.
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Hiss had passed them to Chambers to pass on to the Communist Party. Nixon was vilified for this,
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even though ultimately Alger Hiss was convicted, not of being a spy, but convicted of perjury,
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lying about the facts. Hiss actually produced the microfiche film that he had gotten from Hiss and proved
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that the transmittal documents had been typed on a typewriter owned by Hiss and his wife. The same
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people who tell us Hiss was not a spy, by the way, were disproved because when the Soviet Union fell
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and we got a hold of the KGB records, we learned that Hiss was indeed a spy and that young Congressman
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Richard Nixon was absolutely right. Now they tell us, well, Joe McCarthy, you know, was on a red
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scare. He ruined lives. He ruined reputations. There were no, there was no communist infiltration
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in the Roosevelt and the Truman administrations. This incredible book, Blacklisted by History,
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by M. Stanton Evans, which Ann Coulter called the second greatest book after the Bible,
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documents meticulously the communist infiltration of our country and the fact that Senator Joe
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McCarthy was essentially correct. He was right about all of it. Now, in the case of Oppenheimer,
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we know that the Los Alamos project was infiltrated by communist spies, Klaus Fuchs specifically,
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Carl Greenglass. These people passed our atomic secrets on to Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, both of
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whom were convicted of spying for the Soviet Union and ultimately executed. Fuchs himself would be
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imprisoned for his role as a special, as a Soviet spy. So the real question is, what about Oppenheimer
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himself? If you go look at the reviews in the- Well then, and Roger, just to quick give the
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audience, as some people may have seen and haven't seen the movie, none of these characters are even
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featured in the film. None of these people are even discussed. They're not mentioned. There isn't a,
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you know, nobody's watching the newsreel and hearing about the Rosenbergs and Fuchs and any of
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this. It's completely omitted. And we are told that these were just, you know, patriotic American
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scientists who happen to have a little bit left of center ideals. And they've been reading a bit of
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reading a bit of angles and wanted to inject that to help their common man. And it doesn't even explain
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that there were scientists that were directly working for Oppenheimer that formed a communist cell
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and were in fact pilfering American nuclear secrets and sending them over to the Soviets.
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Most specifically, Klaus Fuchs, who had infiltrated the project, was reporting at that point to the KGB.
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He had originally started as a British spy. But there's no question that the entire Manhattan
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project is infiltrated. And on the basis of that information, the Russians developed an atomic weapon
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two years earlier than American intelligence thought they would do so. All of this is airbrushed
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out of the picture in Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer himself was likely a communist. It is hinted at.
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He's not just a well-meaning liberal who didn't want to drop the atomic bomb on Japan because he cared
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about all these Asian people. No, I think he was likely a part of the circle of the cell of communists
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that infiltrated the Manhattan Project. We will never know for certain, but the circumstantial
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So, Roger, the film does show a bit of this. And this is where Chris Nolan kind of plays the bait
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and switch, where he shows, well, yes, Oppenheimer did have a communist mistress. Yes, he was involved
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with communists at Berkeley. Yes, it turns out that he has his mistress and his wife at the same time,
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both of which end up being communists. He's sending money to the communist cause in the Spanish Civil War.
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His brother's a communist. His brother-in-law's a communist. But there's no possible way that he
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himself could have ever been one. And that was just because he cared about the United States
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so very much. Are we to believe this? Are we to believe that he viewed this merely as an ideological
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thing and not to the point where there are scenes where he's going to Truman saying,
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we shouldn't build the hydrogen bomb. The danger of nuclear proliferation is too great. We could destroy
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the world. Are we really to believe that this man had no knowledge of what was going on there?
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No, I think not. You know, if you look like a communist, you smell like a communist, you walk
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like a communist, you're most likely a communist. If all of your associates are communists, you're most
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likely a communist. This is an attempt to deify Oppenheimer. By the way, where's Edward Teller in the
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movie? Why is there no reference to him? Teller was a patriotic American and one of the most
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important scientists in terms of developing this hydrogen bomb technology, almost absent in the
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movie. This is a propaganda piece, which I think glosses over the high probability that Oppenheimer
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himself was involved in the communist cell, which ultimately leaked our most sensitive atomic secrets
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Well, and then so let's, let's go, let's broaden it out here, because there, you know, the idea that
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the Soviets would be able to penetrate directly into the Manhattan Project, which of course, overtly
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was not shared with them, doesn't it speak to potentially a larger infiltration within the
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American government? And in my own series, The China Files, I walk out through how that even when I was
00:27:32.040
doing my undergrad at Temple University, I wrote an entire thesis on how it seemed as though the
00:27:37.700
Americans, the American mission in China was writing these, these missives back through the
00:27:43.680
State Department and early, the early offices of the OSS, saying, why aren't we helping? Why aren't
00:27:51.240
we helping Chiang Kai-shek? Why aren't we helping the nationalists? The communists are on the move.
00:27:55.320
Chairman Mao is about to overrun every single position we have. And we're doing nothing other than offer
00:28:00.180
basic face saving. But we know that that communist China is about to rise and take over the entire
00:28:06.340
country, whereas a lot of people have pointed out to say, well, it may have actually been deliberate.
00:28:12.160
Well, this continues right into the 1960s. When the Bay of Pigs invasion is launched, it is absolutely
00:28:18.780
clear that leaks in U.S. intelligence mean that Fidel Castro knows exactly where they are coming, the Bay of
00:28:25.780
Pigs, and when they are coming, which is why the Cuban freedom fighters storming the beaches are cut
00:28:32.220
to ribbons by Cuban sharpshooters. Also, we now know that the air cover that was supposed to be supplied
00:28:41.020
by 29 Panamanian flagged bombers, captained by Cuban pilots and flown out of Panama, were canceled by
00:28:51.720
Charles Cable, the number two man in the CIA, the day before the invasion. This is part of the invasion
00:28:57.900
plan that JFK had approved. Then when the Joint Chiefs went to Kennedy and said, you've got to order
00:29:04.000
in the U.S. Air Force, he correctly saw it would be a provocation to the Russians and a probable beginning
00:29:10.020
of World War III, and he refused to do so. That minor piece of history has now been proven, but it is
00:29:17.580
missing from all of the mainstream narratives regarding the Bay of Pigs.
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Well, and it goes through again and again and again to show us that the same Hollywood, which
00:29:30.740
I tweeted this this morning, that it's been four years since Jeffrey Epstein was killed, and yet I
00:29:36.240
can't see anyone in Hollywood raising their hand and saying, I'd like to make a feature film of this.
00:29:41.820
We should make one of these streaming series about this, that Hollywood, I believe, very carefully
00:29:47.580
picks and chooses its causes, and there are certain causes that they will never make a film against.
00:29:55.300
Well, Jack, it's just coincidental that the security cameras just happened to be turned off
00:29:59.740
at the exact time that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. Kind of like the security cameras at the
00:30:05.340
White House don't capture who it was who left that little bag of cocaine. We're expected to believe
00:30:10.300
this nonsense, or I believe the latest that the 911 call log up at Martha's Vineyard doesn't record
00:30:18.900
the name of the second paddleboarder who is there with the pad. It's every time, right? Every single
00:30:25.700
time, there's always this piece of information that we seem to be lost when it comes to one of
00:30:31.680
these investigations into a suspicious death around the president or one of their connections when they
00:30:36.660
seem to be part of this click. Stay tuned. We're coming back with more final segment with Roger Stone
00:30:42.500
after the break, the truth about communists' infiltration into the U.S. government.
00:30:47.320
All right, we're back here. Jack Posobiec, human events, live Washington, D.C. Roger Stone breaking
00:31:03.920
down for us the truth about Oppenheimer, the infiltration of the United States government in
00:31:08.640
the 1930s, the 1940s, through the 1960s. Roger, this was my thesis. And you tell me if I'm wrong.
00:31:14.980
Tell me if I'm out of, you know, out of line in here. But I wrote this when I was in living in
00:31:20.660
Shanghai, pulling up these declassified State Department cables from basically this period just
00:31:28.340
at the end of World War II and that but before the communists had taken over China. So 1945 to 1949
00:31:34.880
from inside China. And it it seems as though that the communists were essentially allowed to take
00:31:44.420
China, who's responsible for the fall of China becomes sort of the the parlor game in D.C. after
00:31:48.800
this. And it seems as though it's the administration and by and large or but perhaps the deal had been
00:31:54.440
struck earlier, because there's this huge push and you do see the same push echoed in the Oppenheimer
00:32:01.640
film for the idea that the United Nations should then become a form of a form of one world government,
00:32:09.600
basically. And they're chasing this idea of a one world government and this globalist ideal,
00:32:14.180
which goes all the way back to Wilson and Geneva and the rest of it. But it looks as though,
00:32:21.040
you know, communist China was the dowry for the Soviet Union to go along with the United Nations
00:32:28.180
plan. And I've never in the rest of my life since then found any information that actually dispels that
00:32:35.300
that's actually what happened. And so when we talk about the real history of World War II,
00:32:40.780
it seems that all of these decisions are completely omitted.
00:32:43.440
Well, it's kind of interesting in the movie Oppenheimer, while they don't say that Oppenheimer
00:32:48.840
is a communist, they continually imply that he is at a minimum a fellow traveler. And I think that
00:32:55.480
that is a very common happenstance in the 30s, 40s and 50s. People will say, oh, name one communist
00:33:05.560
who was exposed by Joe McCarthy. Where? Well, Harry Dexter White, a high level treasury official who gets
00:33:13.360
the engraving printing plates for American currency over to the Soviets. There's a perfect example.
00:33:19.700
Now, I think if you, again, this is, I think, the single best text blacklisted by history by M.
00:33:27.480
Stanton Evans, who wrote extensively for Human Events, by the way, former boy editor of the Indianapolis
00:33:34.120
News, founder of the American Conservative Union, in on the founding of Young Americans for Freedom.
00:33:39.840
He heavily documents the communist infiltration of both the Roosevelt and the Truman administrations.
00:33:47.880
It was not, as Harry Truman said, a red herring. And of course, as I said earlier, the epic role played
00:33:55.100
by Alger Hiss, a communist spy, for which Richard Nixon was vilified for decades, for which he was
00:34:02.220
hated, but proven when the Soviet Union fell, that Hiss was, in fact, a spy at Franklin Roosevelt's right hand.
00:34:13.220
So, Roger, was this, at some point, you believe, was this the original intention, League of Nations,
00:34:21.220
the United Nations? Today, you can fast forward all the way up to today, and they call it, what, the rules-based order.
00:34:27.400
It seems to be this idea that the creation of a one-world government will prevent, and we've all
00:34:33.700
heard the line, right, this will prevent war from breaking out again, Francis Fukuyama tells us,
00:34:39.300
it's the end of history, one global government, one currency, et cetera, to rule them all, that being,
00:34:46.400
of course, the U.S. dollar. Does this indeed play into some of these decisions?
00:34:51.880
No, I don't think there's any question. What they really want to do is do away with American
00:34:56.020
sovereignty, that we would be, we would go, as Wendell Wilkie said, to one world, meaning one
00:35:02.160
world government. They want to erase American sovereignty. The World Economic Forum is very
00:35:08.780
blunt about their plans. Even though those guys are like Batman cartoon villains, there's nothing
00:35:16.760
funny about their agenda. Although, let me say this, Jack, and I want to make it very clear,
00:35:21.340
no matter what, I'm not eating any bugs, period.
00:35:26.300
No, no bugs in the, Roger. But, Roger, we're told there's such a source of protein. In fact,
00:35:31.340
NPR calls that a racist conspiracy theory. And then if only one wants to go and look at some
00:35:39.000
of NPR's previous reporting, you can find article after article after article of NPR actually
00:35:44.880
encouraging the eating of bugs. And no, I agree with you, Roger. I think this is something that
00:35:50.800
it's a piece of U.S. history that I would love to see. You know, I mentioned before about an Epstein
00:35:56.900
movie. And look, we've all seen the success of Sound of Freedom. Roger, do you think that it's
00:36:01.680
possible that we have books about these shades of history that are never told, these forgotten shades
00:36:08.740
or hidden shades of history? We've got, you know, obviously shows like myself, your own. Do you think
00:36:14.020
that there's a market now that's possibly viable with Angel Studios or other crowdfunding that we
00:36:19.280
could actually get some feature films made about some of these topics? One would hope so. Look,
00:36:25.360
I think it is important to look at it historically. Art has often affected popular culture and popular
00:36:31.500
opinion. So Oliver Stone's movie JFK leads to an upheaval in which the Kennedy assassination
00:36:39.040
is reexamined by the Congress, reexamined by the American people. It's a great movie. I got a nice
00:36:46.780
note from Oliver Stone after the movie. He read my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against
00:36:53.340
LBJ. And he told me he wished he had read my book before he produced the movie because he minimized the
00:36:59.740
role of Lyndon Johnson in John F. Kennedy's assassination. So I think this is a unique opportunity.
00:37:06.220
I must tell you, Sound of Freedom is one of the most incredible experiences I have had. First of all,
00:37:14.380
it really blew me away when I went to see it. I also had the opportunity to interview Eduardo
00:37:20.500
Verostegui, the producer and one of the actors in the movie, who's now thinking about running for
00:37:27.120
president of Mexico. The number of eyes that have been opened through this powerful film
00:37:33.380
is really edifying. And it leads me to believe that what you just said is absolutely true.
00:37:39.160
More feature length films telling the truth about history and the truth about some of these issues
00:37:45.460
is the way through pop culture to get more people to understand what has really happened,
00:37:50.580
what has really happened and what is really happening today.
00:37:54.380
Now, do you and do you and Oliver run into each other at family reunions? Are you guys at the
00:37:59.000
barbecue there together? I'm friends with his son, Sean Stone, who probably his politics are probably
00:38:05.880
closer to yours and mine than he is to his father. Oliver never really understood the dangers of the
00:38:12.620
Soviet Union or of Russian communism. And of course, he has deified Fidel Castro. But his son,
00:38:19.780
Sean Stone, who is not a right winger by any means, but a bit more of a libertarian,
00:38:24.920
is a brilliant filmmaker in his own right. And I'm in touch with him.
00:38:31.000
Well, you know, maybe we have to hook him up with Amanda Milius as the daughter of John Milius,
00:38:37.160
and we can get that, you know, the next generation of filmmakers together. All right. So, Roger,
00:38:42.240
let's let I've got some questions. The chat's popping off right here. So when the Roger Stone
00:38:47.000
feature film is made, I mean, there's documentary after documentary about you. But when the feature film
00:38:51.820
is made, who do you want playing you? That's obvious. James Woods should play me without any
00:38:56.980
question whatsoever. James. All right. Well, what about what about in your younger years,
00:39:01.600
though? What about young Roger Stone? That's that's a much tougher one. I'm less familiar
00:39:05.860
with younger actors. But James Woods plays Bob Haldeman in Oliver Stone's film Nixon. And he
00:39:13.660
absolutely positively nails it. So that's who I want to play me in my older years. Of course,
00:39:20.380
I'm still a young man. But in my much older years, what we do, the they have the, you know,
00:39:26.080
the CGI, the de-aging, right? Not that you'd need much of it. But we'll do that for for James when
00:39:31.040
it's the younger years. Roger, just one minute left. Where can people go to follow you? What
00:39:35.540
should people be looking at over the next couple of weeks? Sure. They can go every day at five o'clock
00:39:41.880
Eastern to StoneZone.live to catch my daily show. They can also go to WABC radio on Sundays by
00:39:50.280
going to W.A.B.C. radio dot com from three to five o'clock Sunday afternoons. This coming
00:39:57.760
weekend, we have Garrett Ziegler from the Marco Polo Foundation of Marco Polo Research Group. Pardon
00:40:04.260
me. We have Cash Patel and we also have Nick Adams, the ultimate alpha male. So you want to tune in for
00:40:11.820
that W.A.B.C. radio dot com this Sunday from three to five. I like Nick Adams. You know,
00:40:19.220
he keeps inviting my brother out to those events they have down there in Tampa. I think he's trying
00:40:23.000
to steal him away from me. Well, I've had the opportunity to knock back a few cold domestic
00:40:28.940
beers with him at Hooters. He's a terrific guy. He's a great patriot. You should tell your brother to
00:40:34.100
hook up with it for sure. All right. We'll take heaven. He's he just hit it across his one year
00:40:39.960
down there in the in the land of Florida with you guys. So we'll have to see Roger Stone. Always a
00:40:45.360
pleasure. Everyone, if you are not following Roger Stone, then you are not doing politics right. This
00:40:51.500
man has forgotten more than most operatives will ever learn in their lifetime. Make sure you go to
00:40:57.000
follow him. Coming back, we've got a very special interview with a new type of connection platform
00:41:03.220
for conservatives in business and not only people who are in business, but people who are looking
00:41:08.660
for jobs. This is very interesting and it's part of the new parallel economy. Stay tuned. Human events
00:41:14.160
continues. When I grew up in the hood, I rolled with bloods and them boys had a saying. You can't be
00:41:22.780
listening to all that slappy, whack, trimatazol, it's a bam ship, nippy, bam, bam, like human events
00:41:28.640
with Jack Posobiec. All right, Jack Posobiec, we're back here live with human events. I wanted to bring
00:41:35.720
in now very special guest, Andrew Krappichatz. He is the founder and CEO of a new firm. It's actually a
00:41:42.260
service called Red Balloon. And we've been talking so much here on human events about the need for the
00:41:49.820
parallel economy, different people, different players getting involved in the parallel economy.
00:41:54.500
Vivek Ramaswamy, this was really his big claim to fame before he ran for office, that he was getting
00:41:59.720
involved in the payment processor aspect of this. By the way, Vivek, whatever happens, I want you to
00:42:06.500
make sure that the payment processor still goes through because we absolutely need that. People
00:42:12.200
are going to be getting banned for their politics very soon in terms of payment processing. And so we need
00:42:17.020
this on the board. Vivek Ramaswamy is another example of this. And the latest to come along
00:42:21.620
is Red Balloon. Andrew, thank you so much for joining us today. Tell us about Red Balloon and
00:42:25.680
what led you to found it. Yeah, thanks for having me, Jack. So I was the CEO of actually a reasonably
00:42:31.340
large tech company about two years ago. And we kind of hit COVID and BLM and George Floyd and all the
00:42:37.340
craziness. And I started having my board tell me I had to make statements that I totally disagreed with
00:42:42.020
or else it was going to cost me my job. And so I stuck with my guns and found myself delightfully
00:42:47.260
unemployed. And I thought, wow, if this happened to me, it's probably going to happen to a lot of
00:42:51.000
other Americans who are going to have to decide between their job and their values. And I don't
00:42:55.120
think that's right. And so Red Balloon dot work and it's dot work, not dot com because dot com sent
00:43:01.160
it too much like communist to me. And we want to get back to work, not communism. So Red Balloon dot
00:43:06.960
work. Someone was listening to the show prior to you coming on. That's right. And so we are we're a
00:43:15.800
hybrid job board. We have now in 18 months, we have over 3000 businesses who have signed a pledge
00:43:22.220
that they believe in freedom. They believe in the Constitution. They will protect the freedom of
00:43:25.940
people coming to work for them. And we've had over a million job seekers who are eager for freedom
00:43:31.180
because when you're free at work, it is amazing the impact it has on every other aspect of your
00:43:37.040
life. And so early on, Donald Trump Jr. got involved with Red Balloon. Public Square is a big
00:43:43.800
partner of ours because we realized that we're in a moment in American history that if you are a
00:43:49.280
conservative and you get canceled from Facebook, you kind of shrug it off. But if you get canceled
00:43:53.380
from your job and your ability to feed your kids, pay your mortgage, that is a lever that will cause
00:43:59.840
you to at least be tempted to compromise some of your values. And we want to be able to give people
00:44:04.760
a landing place if they do lose their job because they stuck with their guns. And so that's what
00:44:09.600
Red Balloon dot work is. And it's been a really fun adventure. It's the only business I've ever run
00:44:14.020
where I get unsolicited thank you notes from perfect strangers who say, you know, you change the
00:44:18.440
trajectory of my family. You save my marriage because I now have a job where I can be free and I didn't
00:44:23.580
realize what an impact it would have. So anyway, that's Red Balloon. It's been really fun company to build.
00:44:28.340
Well, I think that's amazing, you know, and Public Square, it's obviously it's a place for to hang
00:44:34.360
your business or if you're going to look for businesses. But look, I'm not going to give away
00:44:38.940
anyone's personal information, but there are people that I know in my personal life. There are people
00:44:43.180
who are involved with this show that have told me that very same story or even not so much they lost
00:44:48.760
their job, but that or, you know, they were put in a position they didn't want to be in or just that
00:44:52.780
they were sick of being in that that part of the woke corporate world where every single day you're
00:45:00.420
forced to bite your tongue, you're forced to endure another woke training, telling you to put
00:45:07.240
your pronouns at the bottom of your emails, that kind of stuff that finally, I mean, I think what
00:45:11.720
you're doing is, you know, getting a you're filling a niche that's needed. And I don't know,
00:45:18.020
by the way, I got to ask is is red balloon? Is that a reference to the song? Is that a reference
00:45:22.340
to the, you know, basically, anti-communist songs that's ever been written? That's right. Actually,
00:45:30.540
it has lots of meaning. So there was also a family that escaped from East Germany on a hot air balloon.
00:45:37.160
And if you've ever been on a hot air balloon, it's a little bit terrifying and a lot bit fun,
00:45:40.860
kind of like looking for a job. And people are going to red states and red businesses and red
00:45:45.260
regions of blue state. So there's lots of meeting built. It's all there. It's like your work is
00:45:52.500
really good for you. So. So you're taking right. So you're taking that because that Nina, I think,
00:45:58.460
was the band right now. Luftballons. Right. And so it's it's that's the red balloons come across the
00:46:03.280
the the Berlin Wall. Right. And then so in your version, it's the balloon that takes you out of your
00:46:09.020
your blue state, your blue job and and, you know, potentially brings you to a red state.
00:46:13.320
That being said, though, I think a lot of these jobs, I mean, a lot of people are you seeing this
00:46:17.100
as well in the market? Because you are in the job market as well outside of politics. Are people
00:46:22.760
really moving back to the workplace or is this or is work from home really having the staying power
00:46:27.380
that I think a lot of workers are going for? No, that's a great question. A lot of businesses are
00:46:32.460
tired of work from home and we are seeing people move back. What we're seeing actually, which is really
00:46:37.680
interesting, is a lot of the red balloon companies are establishing what we call micro offices. So
00:46:41.860
they're saying, look, we have a critical mass of employees in Pulse, Oklahoma or Spokane, Washington,
00:46:47.280
some of these second level metros. And so let's try and get the the momentum of an office with a
00:46:53.240
very small group of people because we're not going to get everybody to move back to Dallas or Fort
00:46:58.920
Lauderdale or some of these bigger metros. And so that's kind of this middle ground that a lot of the
00:47:03.460
employers are starting to establish. And I'll tell you, the companies that are hiring,
00:47:08.940
a lot of them are finding that there's a ton of job seekers who are eager to relocate from places
00:47:13.880
like California and New York and Illinois because the job seekers on red balloon are realizing that
00:47:19.680
living there with your family anymore is simply not safe beyond the fact that your freedoms are
00:47:25.420
being curb stomped constantly, not only at the job, but at the city level. So we're seeing a lot of
00:47:31.720
workers who are saying, look, I'm a conservative. I don't like to move. We like to put down roots.
00:47:35.980
We like to stay places. But the time has come. It's time to leave Chicago. It's time to leave New
00:47:40.380
York and go somewhere where I can be free. And so help red balloons been helping a lot of people
00:47:44.380
facilitate that move. We we just had the author Jack Cashel on yesterday about his his fantastic
00:47:51.160
new book. And that's exactly what it's about. It's called untenable. And it's it's basically about
00:47:56.300
the death of our cities. And he tells his personal family story. I have some personal stories. I think
00:48:01.160
everybody knows someone or has experienced it themselves. Unfortunately, tell everybody where
00:48:05.380
can they go? How do they sign up for this service? I think it's fantastic. And I commend you for setting
00:48:10.360
this up. Yeah, thank you. Red balloon dot work. You can go there. You can sign up as a job seeker.
00:48:15.760
Everything's totally free. If you're looking for a job, you can fill out a profile. It's a self
00:48:20.200
sovereign profile. So unlike LinkedIn or something else, we're not going to sell your data. If you want
00:48:25.020
to have your profile visible to employers, you can share it. But it's a self sovereign profile because we
00:48:29.920
believe in privacy, in fact, and freedom. So for a job seeker, you can go there's ton of great
00:48:34.620
resources. We have an employee bill of rights that is a free resource that you can download and
00:48:39.560
understand what your rights are. So if you're stuck at a woke company, we can tell you what you're
00:48:43.800
allowed to do legally to push back against some of the craziness. If you're an employer, we have lots
00:48:49.520
and lots of job seekers who are eager to come work for your company. And you can either post jobs,
00:48:54.480
you can look at our profile database of people who are ready to jump, or we can actually come
00:49:00.360
alongside and help you with that hiring process. We do that for Moms for America and lots of other
00:49:04.680
folks. Got to run. Thank you so much for being on. Really appreciate it, folks. Play in your exit.
00:49:10.040
Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.