Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 530： THE OCCUPIED STATES OF AMERICA

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00:00:49.380 Christ is king.

00:00:51.640 Today, an indictment was unsealed.

00:00:54.780 Charging Donald J. Trump with conspiring to defraud the United States.

00:01:00.740 Conspiring to disenfranchise voters.

00:01:03.620 And conspiring and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding.

00:01:07.240 That was one of the most demagogic presentations I've ever seen in a high-profile criminal case.

00:01:13.020 Anyone who listened to that, any normal person reacting to that,

00:01:17.760 would assume that Trump was alleged to have carried out the Capitol riot.

00:01:23.240 The most jarring thing about this indictment is that it basically just accuses him of disinformation.

00:01:29.820 This is a disinformation indictment.

00:01:32.720 This is going to, unfortunately, tear apart our country and divide it even further.

00:01:37.740 But to some extent, that's what the Democrats try to do.

00:01:40.540 They try to highlight our differences instead of what we share as Americans.

00:01:46.440 It's not just one of the most significant indictments.

00:01:49.680 It is the most significant indictment against Donald Trump.

00:01:52.820 It is the most significant legal case of our lifetimes.

00:01:57.720 A New York Times poll confirms the current political reality.

00:02:00.740 Donald Trump can win a rematch with Joe Biden.

00:02:04.060 The top-line number, Mr. Biden, 43 percent.

00:02:07.020 Mr. Trump, 43 percent.

00:02:08.820 That many of the people celebrating this second indictment are just simply dismissing the implications for free speech.

00:02:16.600 Those are quite dire and real.

00:02:19.680 Donald Trump was not responsible for what happened on January 6th.

00:02:26.300 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard.

00:02:30.180 Today's edition of Human Events with Jack Posovic today is August 2nd, 2023.

00:02:35.540 I know, Dominique.

00:02:36.040 We do not live in a free country.

00:02:41.200 We live in an occupied country.

00:02:45.520 And from that understanding, we need to plan our steps accordingly.

00:02:55.780 Which side are you on?

00:02:58.720 Which side do you want to be on when the history books of this era are written?

00:03:06.040 And make no mistake, the books will be written to favor the victors.

00:03:12.700 If they win, they will describe the populist nationalist uprising of the 2010s and 2020s as a blip, as a temper tantrum, as the cry of, what do they say on MSNBC?

00:03:34.460 They don't think about the men and women that go to work every day, take care of their kids, lace their shoelaces, just want to put food on the table every night.

00:03:58.740 That are sitting there.

00:04:00.740 And seeing a candidate who is finally speaking to them, who's finally putting their interests first.

00:04:11.800 One man with credibility, with celebrity, with influence, with stature, that actually has the ability to influence the entire system for good.

00:04:27.640 But in fact, in fact, in fact, has been talking about it for over 30 years.

00:04:32.860 And they want to take that man and they want to make him die in prison.

00:04:39.260 The regime wants Donald Trump to die in prison because they want MAGA and the populist movement to die along with him.

00:04:50.620 Are you going to let them do that?

00:04:55.220 Are you going to let the Department of Justice, the Biden regime, Jack Smith and all of these other cronies, the political machine that's operating throughout Washington?

00:05:10.600 We've seen the money.

00:05:11.920 We get how it works.

00:05:13.800 We've seen the laptop.

00:05:15.600 We've had the testimony of Devin Archer now.

00:05:17.940 We get it.

00:05:18.740 Are you going to let the machine pick your candidate for you?

00:05:24.140 Are you going to let that machine tell you that there's someone you're not allowed to vote for, that there's someone you're not allowed to support?

00:05:33.940 I have a question.

00:05:35.900 If this machine is so powerful, if this machine is so far reaching, why is there only one candidate?

00:05:47.500 One man that they will act like this towards?

00:05:51.900 If I were an undecided voter, if I were somebody who was looking at this system for the first time with fresh eyes, with new eyes, and if I were coming in cold, I would say, who's the candidate?

00:06:08.500 Who's the candidate that the regime hates the most?

00:06:12.300 Who's the candidate that terrifies them?

00:06:15.100 Who's the candidate that keeps them up at night?

00:06:18.060 And then that's the person that I would throw my support behind.

00:06:23.660 Mike Davis joins us next.

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00:06:30.200 All right, folks, we're back here.

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00:07:54.840 I want to bring in now Mike Davis from the Article 3 Project.

00:07:58.860 Now, Mike, a lot of people have been going around today looking at this slicing and dicing this indictment of President Trump,

00:08:06.180 this idea that it seems like they're criminalizing his speech, they're criminalizing his attempts to challenge an election following, oh, by the way, legal processes to do so.

00:08:18.920 There's also been a narrative that I've seen floating around a lot in the last 12 hours or so since this thing has dropped about the Supreme Court.

00:08:28.480 So, Mike, I'd like to ask you, what, if any, would the role of the Supreme Court be in this case?

00:08:36.180 Well, how this case will proceed, we have this Obama-appointed judge, Tanya Chudkin, who is going to oversee this trial.

00:08:44.560 She has shown in the past that she is unfriendly to President Trump, so there's no chance that President Trump is going to get a fair trial in Washington, D.C.

00:08:56.520 You have this Jack Smith, who is a partisan hitman, who has been brought in by Biden and Garland to take out Trump legally because they fear they can't beat Trump politically in November 2024.

00:09:09.660 You're going to have motions to dismiss the indictment.

00:09:13.100 Judge Chudkin will deny them.

00:09:15.260 She'll deny Trump his ability to put on his full defense that he wants to put on.

00:09:20.260 This will, they will, the D.C. jury, which is like 95% Democrat and 99% Trump deranged, will find him guilty.

00:09:29.960 Judge Chudkin will convict him.

00:09:31.680 It will go to the D.C. circuit.

00:09:33.580 They will affirm the conviction, and then it will have to get overturned by the Supreme Court.

00:09:38.020 And Jack Smith is used to getting overturned by the Supreme Court.

00:09:41.500 He was overturned unanimously by the Supreme Court after Jack Smith pursued a political prosecution against former Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell, a likely Republican presidential candidate in 2016.

00:09:55.340 But here's the problem, Jack.

00:09:56.960 The Supreme Court is not going to resolve this case for several years, and the Democrats know this.

00:10:02.100 Biden knows this.

00:10:03.660 Garland knows this.

00:10:04.840 Jack Smith knows this.

00:10:05.820 This is about election interference for November 5th, 2024.

00:10:12.540 So that stands then.

00:10:16.240 Is there any way that President Trump's, and I've said this before, you've said this, I think everybody kind of gets it.

00:10:22.420 You bring any charges against President Trump, you put that in front of a D.C. jury, just like trial after trial of anyone who's had even a remote connection with President Trump.

00:10:33.300 D.C. jury, that jury pool finds you guilty.

00:10:36.880 It's 10 out of 10, or I guess 12 out of 12, I would say in this case.

00:10:41.320 That said, so we do expect a conviction coming up.

00:10:45.920 Is there any way for him to expedite this process?

00:10:49.040 Could he expedite it?

00:10:50.840 There are certain things called a writ of certiorari.

00:10:53.680 Can you walk us through what that means to expedite the process with the Supreme Court if he indeed does intend to go down that route?

00:11:00.560 Well, that's a very good question, Jack, because we're in uncharted territory.

00:11:04.420 Generally, what happens is you have the U.S. District Court hold the trial.

00:11:08.820 The U.S. Circuit Court, in this case it would be the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, would handle the appeal.

00:11:15.140 And then the Supreme Court actually has discretionary review in most cases, meaning the Supreme Court does not have to take cases.

00:11:22.540 And so when you file a petition for writ of certiorari, you are asking the Supreme Court to exercise its discretionary review.

00:11:31.920 I can't imagine a scenario where the Supreme Court would not take this case and decide this case on the merits, but the issue is timing.

00:11:40.820 I don't see a path where the Supreme Court can take this case and resolve this case before November 2024.

00:11:49.400 And that's the whole game here by Biden and Garland and Jack Smith is to try to take out Trump before the presidential election.

00:11:57.960 And they don't care what happens.

00:11:59.580 They don't care what the Supreme Court does after the presidential election. 1.00

00:12:03.080 And so really, if these cases are going to get resolved, whether it's Alvin Bragg's lawfare in New York for Trump being charged for the non-crime of a businessman settling a nuisance claim or Trump being charged for the non-crime by Jack Smith, a former president having his presidential records, which is allowed by the Presidential Records Act,

00:12:23.260 or Trump being charged for the non-crime of objecting to a presidential election, which is allowed by the Electoral Count Act of 1887, and twisting arms politically is allowed by the First Amendment.

00:12:34.840 Jack Smith is pursuing that.

00:12:36.340 Fannie Willis down in Fulton County, Georgia, is going to pursue that later this month, likely. 0.55

00:12:41.080 The only way this is going to get resolved, this Democrat lawfare, is by the American people saying enough is enough.

00:12:46.740 We're not going to let Democrat prosecutors and Democrat judges and Democrat juries pick the president of the United States.

00:12:54.200 We get to pick the president of the United States.

00:12:56.420 And the American people can do that on November 5th, 2024, by saying we're going to end this lawfare and put President Trump back in the White House.

00:13:06.080 So let's look at this.

00:13:08.540 And, you know, they say over and over again, amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics.

00:13:17.500 So logistically speaking, is there a possibility for them or for the Trump legal team in this sense?

00:13:25.200 Because we understand that he's supposed to be, he's been summoned tomorrow.

00:13:29.000 I don't know if that's changed yet, but he's been summoned tomorrow in Washington, D.C.

00:13:33.320 That could be changed.

00:13:34.180 Of course, we saw it changed for the Miami court appearance.

00:13:37.640 We also saw it changed from New York court appearance in a state level charge.

00:13:42.380 So is it possible then that when it comes to the trial date that he could even argue to push this back because he could point out that the same Department of Justice and the same special counsel has already given him another trial that they're going on at the same time?

00:13:58.640 Yeah, I mean, that's going to be interesting how they juggle this.

00:14:01.640 We have, you know, we have Alvin Bragg's trial up in New York.

00:14:05.860 I think that's set for March of 2024.

00:14:08.960 I think the Mar-a-Lago trial is set for May of 2024.

00:14:13.940 You have Tish James, the New York attorney general, bringing her bogus civil fraud lawsuit against Trump for the non-fraud of President Trump paying back banks in full.

00:14:25.500 And so I don't know how that would be fraud.

00:14:27.140 You have Fannie Willis, who's likely to bring another indictment down in Fulton County, Georgia. 0.99

00:14:32.600 And just if you step back, remember, Jack Smith, Merrick Garland and Jack Smith waited 31 months to bring these charges against President Trump.

00:14:43.040 What is the rush?

00:14:44.020 I mean, they clearly brought these charges to time them because President Biden was facing his own serious, incredible allegations of foreign corruption, that Biden and his family took tens of millions of dollars from China and Ukraine and Romania and other trouble spots around the world illegally, corruptly.

00:15:04.520 And so all of a sudden, Jack Smith wants to bring superseding indictments in the Mar-a-Lago case and then this new indictment for the January 6th case.

00:15:14.520 I mean, they're going to have to juggle all this.

00:15:16.520 And President Trump has to be able to put on his defense.

00:15:19.140 And by the way, this case is not some simple case that Jack Smith is bringing here.

00:15:25.640 It's bogus as a matter of law, but factually, it's very complicated.

00:15:29.900 You're looking at seven co-conspirators.

00:15:33.600 You're looking at seven different states.

00:15:36.820 You're looking at dozens and dozens of potential witnesses.

00:15:40.560 President Trump has to be able to call these witnesses and gather evidence for his defense.

00:15:47.100 And who knows?

00:15:48.160 I mean, I doubt that Judge Tanya Chutkin, this Obama-appointed judge in D.C. overseeing this trial, is going to give him a fair trial.

00:15:58.180 But, I mean, she at least has to pretend, I would think, that he can gather evidence to present for his defense.

00:16:04.800 And that's going to take quite a bit of time.

00:16:06.900 I mean, there's no chance that this is going to get resolved in six months like Jack Smith thinks.

00:16:12.560 This is going to take, you know, well over a year.

00:16:16.200 And then you're into the presidential election.

00:16:18.840 And then what happens then?

00:16:19.800 You're going to make a leading presidential candidate sit in a courtroom during a presidential election.

00:16:26.340 That's just not going to fly with the American people.

00:16:30.240 Well, I think that's right.

00:16:30.820 I've even seen some people out there, folks, I would say categorize them more as the National Review Bunch.

00:16:36.440 And I know you remember I got into it a little bit with Andy McCarthy over the last indictment, that even those guys are saying, well, hold on a second.

00:16:44.420 We were on board with some of the Mar-a-Lago stuff.

00:16:47.160 And I know you and I dissected their analysis.

00:16:50.720 But those guys are even saying, wait, this thing is a joke.

00:16:55.660 Now you're diverting your energy and your time into this nonsense as opposed to simply focusing on the Mar-a-Lago stuff.

00:17:02.880 So even the never Trumpers are now getting worried that they've split their time.

00:17:07.840 Mike, final minute to you.

00:17:09.920 Yeah, I mean, this is the Jack Smith is the Michael Avenatti of the Democrat lawfare against President Trump. 0.99

00:17:18.360 He is a clown.

00:17:19.560 He is he's proven in the past that he brings bogus cases against Republican presidential candidates or likely Republican presidential candidates like he did with Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell. 0.97

00:17:31.780 He doesn't care if the Supreme Court reverses him unanimously.

00:17:35.320 He obviously doesn't have any shame.

00:17:38.940 You know, he's back for round two that Merrick Garland brought him back.

00:17:42.060 He's a scud missile that Democrats use to take out Republican presidential candidates. 0.69

00:17:48.200 We're on to his game this time.

00:17:50.100 It's not going to work.

00:17:51.220 The American people are going to put President Trump back in the White House after November 5th, 2024.

00:17:57.760 And this is all this lawfare is going to end.

00:17:59.660 Folks, go and file Mike Davis.

00:18:03.940 Go and support him.

00:18:05.220 Go check out all of his writings.

00:18:06.900 Mike, I know you've got a pretty extensive dance card today in terms of your interview.

00:18:10.700 So I appreciate you taking time with us.

00:18:12.900 Thank you so much, Jack.

00:18:14.960 All right.

00:18:15.260 Thank you.

00:18:15.560 Stay tuned, folks.

00:18:16.400 Human Events continues to roll on as we question what is justice in America today.

00:18:22.120 Talk about influences.

00:18:26.340 These are influences.

00:18:28.240 And they're friends of mine.

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00:18:34.080 He's done a great job.

00:18:35.940 All right.

00:18:38.600 Ladies and gentlemen, we are back here.

00:18:40.520 Washington, D.C.

00:18:41.460 Jack Posobiec.

00:18:42.140 Human Events.

00:18:42.800 This is amazing because we had the next interview already planned, but we have breaking news that directly ties to the interview.

00:18:51.420 So I'll walk you through it in a second here.

00:18:53.180 We've got on Chad McMore.

00:18:55.180 He's the author of the new book, the fantastic new book.

00:18:59.400 Apparently, it's so hard to get you can't even buy out on Amazon right now.

00:19:02.640 That's how much it's flying off the digital shelves.

00:19:07.080 But we also see that Tucker Carlson, just as this show started, we'll have to word with Tucker, by the way, to not drop episodes while my show is on because, Tucker, we're going to have problems, man, if you keep doing this.

00:19:19.220 2 p.m.

00:19:19.540 My hour is my hour.

00:19:20.560 So he just dropped, though, an interview with none other than Devin Archer.

00:19:25.700 And in the interview, Tucker presses him, and Devin Archer admits to Tucker that the phone calls were an abuse of power, a soft abuse of power.

00:19:37.600 So let's bring in Chad McMore to get more background on how it is that Tucker is able to do this and everything that he does.

00:19:46.360 Chad McMore, thanks so much for joining us here at Human Events.

00:19:48.900 Hey, man.

00:19:49.380 Great to be with you.

00:19:50.060 Thanks for having me on.

00:19:50.780 So tell us, what was the process for the book?

00:19:55.720 Was this something where you were outside looking in?

00:19:59.080 Did they bring you in?

00:20:00.120 How did it come about?

00:20:02.940 Yeah.

00:20:03.400 So, you know, my publisher reached out to me and said, this was over a year ago.

00:20:06.640 It was early last spring and said, we want to do a book about Tucker and we want you to write it.

00:20:11.360 And, you know, I was honored and flattered.

00:20:13.200 And I didn't know if Tucker would go for it or not.

00:20:14.960 And I called him up and, you know, at first he said, oh, I don't like that kind of attention.

00:20:20.040 I'm not very interesting.

00:20:21.720 And, you know, and then he sort of talked himself into it.

00:20:24.320 And he said, like, oh, you know, I read your columns and you're a great writer.

00:20:27.380 And, you know, after about 45 minute phone conversation, he was like, yeah, let's do it.

00:20:31.900 So we were off since then.

00:20:33.600 And, you know, he, you know, I feel totally honored and privileged that he gave me so much access that he trusted me to write this book.

00:20:41.500 He hasn't asked to see a word of it.

00:20:42.900 He hasn't wanted to see a word of it.

00:20:44.240 He's totally trusted me to write the book that I felt was appropriate.

00:20:47.420 And I got to spend tons of time with him and his family and his staff and his friends, his enemies during the last year to work on this.

00:20:58.000 And it was a pretty amazing opportunity.

00:21:01.300 So when you're talking about this full access, obviously, then you were there for this this last, you know, I imagine you as far as I know, you were actually working on the book before the show was canceled and before all of this was coming down.

00:21:18.740 So were you able to actually capture that in real time, those moments in the book?

00:21:24.660 Yeah, I mean, one of the one of the things I was able to capture in real time, I was physically with him,

00:21:29.480 was when all of the text messages were being released from the Dominion lawsuit.

00:21:32.900 So these were, you know, the text messages about Trump and also one of the times, you know, Paul Ryan was talking smack about him on a podcast at the same time.

00:21:42.060 And so I was with him when all of this was going down and I was getting that reaction in real time and also got to ask him about it, you know, and what he really meant and what his real thoughts are on President Trump.

00:21:51.340 And and I put all of that into the book.

00:21:54.260 And then also, you know, we were basically done with the book when his show was taken off the air and we pushed back publication so that I could update it.

00:22:01.700 So I could interview him a few more times and really capture the aftermath and what he was going through, what his thoughts were at that time and what he was up to immediately afterwards.

00:22:10.420 That's incredible. So, you know, and I know this episode just dropped.

00:22:15.560 I was able to watch it, you know, sort of during the break there, you know, the two X speed, as I love to this Devin Archer interview.

00:22:21.500 But just from seeing Tucker, understanding his process, what do you think it says that even after he's lost, you know, his perch there on, you know, running the Tucker Carlson tonight in primetime, that he's still able to get these highly sought after guests?

00:22:40.880 How does he do it?

00:22:42.980 Yeah. So this is a great question and and couldn't be more relevant than to what just dropped.

00:22:47.240 And I haven't got a chance to watch it yet. I was teed up to watch it.

00:22:49.620 And then I had to jump on with you and I will. But what I think it's what it signifies is, I mean, I feel like this moment feels historic for many reasons.

00:22:59.460 And I think it feels historic because I think it's a moment that I think April 24th, 2023 was the moment that independent media surpassed mainstream media.

00:23:08.900 And I think Tucker Carlson is a the figurehead for that.

00:23:12.200 And this is what really shows it, is that he is able to get the most highly sought after interview and drop it before anyone else at any of the mainstream networks, anyone at Fox.

00:23:21.320 And I also think that this is historic because and again, Tucker being a figurehead for this, that this will be the first presidential primary that mainstream media plays a really insignificant role, especially on the Republican side, maybe specifically on the Republican side.

00:23:35.280 And, you know, as we get into the general election, that will probably change.

00:23:39.580 But mainstream media isn't really going to have a big say on who the Republican primary candidate is.

00:23:44.880 Fox, I think, would prefer it to be one candidate over the other.

00:23:48.060 But that their power is seems to be completely gone and really Tucker's at the center of that.

00:23:53.760 This interview that just dropped really shows that.

00:23:57.280 I mean, this is the most and also the summit in Iowa from a few weeks ago.

00:24:00.480 I mean, that was incredible viewing and it was not on the mainstream cable networks.

00:24:05.540 Look, and I remember pointing this out at the time that when the Hunter Biden laptop story dropped, that was something that I was going on 24 seven.

00:24:14.720 Steve Bannon, Raheem Kassam, the only person it felt like in mainstream media that was really picking this up when it mattered.

00:24:23.220 October of 2020 was Tucker Carlson.

00:24:26.240 Not only was he covering it, but he even went and had Tony Bobulinski on for that bombshell interview.

00:24:32.460 So he gets Tony Bobulinski.

00:24:33.880 He gets Devin Archer.

00:24:35.340 He's getting every single one of these individuals that's directly tied to this.

00:24:40.580 And I think what we're actually seeing through the lens of this is picking apart.

00:24:46.200 And it's something that Tucker talks about a lot in his books, which I have read, just the way Washington, D.C. actually works and the sense of how the sausage is made behind the scenes and where that comes out in the front.

00:25:00.380 And so you can see him, by the way, in the interview.

00:25:01.760 I know you haven't watched it yet, but he says to Archer, he said, did you ever question that, you know, why it was that all of these foreign organizations wanted to work so much with you guys?

00:25:13.380 Did you ever question that, you know, possibly it was the influence that you wielded or that your your connections wielded because you were directly tied to the vice president?

00:25:23.280 And he's even calling in during the speaker call.

00:25:25.820 So I guess it seems like the interview was taken after his testimony because he's obviously referring to it.

00:25:31.400 And and Archer even admits at one point that, you know, looking back in retrospect, it was a soft abuse of power.

00:25:40.000 I guess you could say that.

00:25:41.300 So, I mean, Tucker uses it's a great, you know, at Guantanamo, we would have called it an interrogation technique in his interview because he's just reeling him in, makes the guy feel like he's completely.

00:25:53.280 Uncomfortable, completely setting the table and then boom, gets him to admit it.

00:25:57.760 And you can only do that when you're an absolute master at your craft.

00:26:02.220 And I think that's what we're seeing here.

00:26:05.540 Absolutely.

00:26:05.980 And, you know, back to, you know, you and Steve, Ben, I watch both.

00:26:10.200 I watch your show all the time and Bannon's show as well, and I love them both.

00:26:13.260 And Tucker's show is really that bridge between stuff that people like you and Steve are covering and other people online that nobody on cable news would touch.

00:26:21.480 Tucker was always this sort of bridge between the Internet and the mainstream.

00:26:26.020 And and you and certainly as someone, as you just pointed out, as someone who's kind of a Washington insider, he had he had lived there for his entire adult life.

00:26:33.500 He knows all these people intimately.

00:26:35.140 In my book, actually, I write about his friendship with Hunter Biden.

00:26:37.820 They used to be friends.

00:26:38.940 And one of the things that they really bonded over was sobriety.

00:26:41.920 They're obviously two different types of sober people.

00:26:45.220 Tucker being one that's happy every day to be sober.

00:26:47.880 Hunter being one that's one cocktail away from a bender.

00:26:50.240 But I write about all that in the book.

00:26:52.460 But he knows these people very well.

00:26:54.040 And I like your analogy that, you know, seeing how the sausage is made.

00:26:57.120 He has that insight behind the scenes that basically everyone in mainstream media who's in Washington knows that.

00:27:03.280 But they refuse to report on it or they don't want to report on it.

00:27:06.180 But he didn't.

00:27:07.100 He he he has done that and continues to.

00:27:10.580 Well, and to enter your point, right.

00:27:12.040 You know, and I've heard Tucker speak of this as well, that, you know, to truly be a populist and he doesn't even necessarily consider himself one.

00:27:20.700 But he says you have to understand who that sort of ruling class, those insiders, those D.C. insiders are.

00:27:28.280 And to his credit, he doesn't describe himself as an outsider.

00:27:30.980 He points out, no, I'm I'm an insider.

00:27:32.680 But then comes forward with the perspective of and it's because I'm an insider. 0.98

00:27:37.900 That's how I can tell you you're getting screwed. 0.99

00:27:40.480 These people are screwing you left and right. 0.96

00:27:42.880 And, you know, do you get a sense at all in the book of was there a moment? 0.95

00:27:47.300 Was there a time?

00:27:48.120 Was it Iraq?

00:27:48.820 I know he talks about where he kind of shifted on that view of things.

00:27:52.400 Yeah, Iraq was a big shift for him because he was sort of a Beltway neocon.

00:27:59.020 He was always sort of a civil libertarian.

00:28:00.600 He's always been a live and let live guy.

00:28:02.720 But he was definitely pro the Iraq war at first.

00:28:05.880 It took him going to Iraq in 2003 on assignment for Esquire magazine.

00:28:10.780 He was embedded with civilian contractors in Baghdad that he really had a huge shift in his thinking.

00:28:17.220 And that's when he really started to break away from Beltway conservatism.

00:28:19.960 You know, he basically said he realized that neocons are just liberals with guns.

00:28:24.360 And I think the second break would probably was not really one of his own doing, but it was when Trump came along.

00:28:29.060 And that's when he became an outsider in his own social class.

00:28:33.260 You know, he became a class traitor, which is what his neighbors in Washington called him when I interviewed them.

00:28:38.460 People, again, see him as a class traitor because he was on the side of Trumpism, even though he wasn't, you know, an absolute Trump cheerleader, a blind cheerleader.

00:28:46.540 He was certainly on the side of what Trump stood for.

00:28:48.920 So, you know, I think it was him, you know, he broke away from the Beltway in certain ways.

00:28:53.880 But then also he was excommunicated when the when the times shifted and when when the politics shifted and when Washington became so angry and upset about an outsider becoming president.

00:29:05.640 And I think that's incredible.

00:29:09.660 It's so great that you've got the book out when you do.

00:29:12.320 We're coming up on a quick break, but I want to go back in because I want to talk about some of the news of the day, not only the indictments, but also we're going to look into this question of the role of independent media versus mainstream media.

00:29:26.980 President Trump has been asked directly.

00:29:29.860 So we have breaking news.

00:29:31.580 President Trump.

00:29:33.740 Sat down, had dinner with the heads of Fox News last night, and apparently they're begging him to come and debate on the debate stage that will be held in Milwaukee.

00:29:46.820 Coming up just about 21 days here in 21 days time.

00:29:51.500 And so the question on the debate is and I've I've heard it from both sides and I've I've I've heard the political calculus.

00:29:58.640 And with my political operative hat on, I can say, well, when you're this much up in the polls, you don't have much to lose.

00:30:04.900 The other side has much to gain.

00:30:06.180 So the value proposition is that, you know, you can sit this one out, see how the other side does.

00:30:12.440 You could counter program, et cetera.

00:30:14.020 But then there's the other angle.

00:30:16.120 And this is the one I argued when I went on Don Jr.

00:30:19.340 A couple of weeks ago down at at Turning Point Action when I said, look, Donald Trump is known for dominating the narrative and dominating people's mind space.

00:30:30.800 And any time that Donald Trump isn't available, isn't there on the screen, isn't there with these other candidates showing them to be jabronis, throwing them out of the ring like he did in 2015 Royal Rumble style, then it's a missed opportunity because everybody sees him in his element and he can show off his skills.

00:30:48.740 Let's stay tuned.

00:30:49.580 Chadwick Moore.

00:30:50.300 More next.

00:30:53.520 Buzzing in my ear about the boring people at your office.

00:30:56.640 I'm trying to listen to the new human events with Jack Pozovic.

00:31:00.800 All right.

00:31:02.980 We are back live here.

00:31:04.480 Human events, Washington, D.C.

00:31:06.440 We're on with Chadwick Moore, the author of the new book all about Tucker Carlson.

00:31:12.440 So, Chadwick, it's amazing that, you know, we have all this breaking news going on right now.

00:31:16.820 We've got Tucker dropping the new interview with Devin Archer.

00:31:19.900 Then we've also got news.

00:31:21.460 This is out of Jonathan Swan, Jonathan Swan, Swanee and Maggie Haberman over at The New York Times.

00:31:27.680 It turns out that last night, even after the indictment dropped, President Trump held a private dinner with the top leadership at Fox News as they lobbied him to intend the first primary debate.

00:31:41.860 The dinner was between Mr. Trump, Fox News President Jay Wallace, and the network's senior executive, Suzanne Scott.

00:31:49.780 This is held in a private dining room at Mr. Trump's golf club up in Bedminster.

00:31:55.920 I was just at Bedminster a couple of days ago for the Sound of Freedom event.

00:32:00.400 Fantastic dining room.

00:32:01.580 Highly recommend.

00:32:02.500 A little hard to get to.

00:32:03.580 A little hard to get in.

00:32:04.420 But that's what he likes.

00:32:05.240 He goes up there for the summertime.

00:32:06.380 But walk me through the decision-making process, and you guys have been, I would say you more than most, a little bit vocal on the decision-making over at Fox News.

00:32:18.500 Do you think they're trying to hold on to relevance, or do they view this as something that's perfunctory, or are they worried?

00:32:28.240 Are they actually worried about the rise of independent media?

00:32:30.680 Walk me through your analysis of this meeting.

00:32:32.180 Yeah, all great questions, and there's no way to say for sure, but I would guess it's because they're super desperate for relevance, and they don't want to offend—I mean, they, you know, the leadership obviously doesn't like Trump.

00:32:47.660 They don't want him to be president, but—and they didn't want him to be president the first time.

00:32:52.380 But—

00:32:52.780 No, they did not.

00:32:53.920 They absolutely did not.

00:32:55.380 So I think it's probably they're desperate for relevance.

00:32:57.660 They want to try to hoodwink maybe 80 million Trump voters into thinking that they're still on their side, so they'll still tune in to, I don't know, Harris Faulkner, whatever show is still on Fox News.

00:33:06.580 So that seems the most likely to me.

00:33:09.200 I don't know why else they would want to be begging him for such a thing.

00:33:12.640 But Trump hasn't been too kind on Fox lately, and I've seen some of his social posts that weren't very nice about Fox.

00:33:18.860 So it'll be interesting to see what direction he goes in.

00:33:22.180 But then again, you know, I don't know if Trump feels like he might need to go to the mainstream, you know, right now to reach some voters or not.

00:33:28.520 I'm not sure.

00:33:30.920 Well, and I think that's sort of the debate of it, right?

00:33:33.280 So the debate on one side, you know, if you're just looking at it through the normal political lens is to say, hey, you're up this much in the polls.

00:33:40.400 You're up 30 points, 40 points in some of these early states, including Iowa, which is obviously the target of any of the pre-primary, pre-caucus polls or debates.

00:33:50.120 So you'd want—you'd want to make sure to secure your lead.

00:33:53.120 If you're over 50 percent, you're basically at a ceiling.

00:33:55.260 And so the only direction you could go in is down, so why not skip the debate and not give anyone another opportunity to come up?

00:34:05.080 But this is—and I've looked at this, and I know you've looked at the Trump movement in the same way, that I think the normal rules don't necessarily apply because I think with Trump, you kind of have to be out there a lot.

00:34:18.480 So I actually went and I said to Don Jr. on his show the other day, I made the argument that he should be out there.

00:34:24.420 He should be out there flying the flag, dominating these candidates, and then actually, you know, taking potshots at him.

00:34:30.240 That was what won him the nomination back in 2015-16.

00:34:33.440 What do you think?

00:34:35.200 Yeah, I would like to see him debate, you know, maybe not necessarily on Fox, but not only would it be entertaining, but I think he—I personally think he should be out there debating.

00:34:45.900 Such a good response.

00:34:46.840 But I do agree that, yeah, it's great to see him out there.

00:34:50.000 I mean, but also Trump shines—first of all, he shines in debate.

00:34:53.000 We've seen that.

00:34:53.480 But also he shines the most when he's not doing these one-on-one sit-downs like he did with some Fox guy recently.

00:34:59.880 But when he's out there talking to people, when he does his Waffle House stops, when he, you know, stops at the McDonald's or wherever, I mean, man, that's like the best footage you ever get of Trump.

00:35:08.280 And it's so great to see that.

00:35:09.800 And then secondly, I would say the debate stage.

00:35:12.300 We all like seeing him debate.

00:35:13.500 And also I think it would just be—it would be a good idea for him to do it.

00:35:17.320 I agree.

00:35:17.720 But maybe not on Fox.

00:35:18.820 Maybe somewhere else.

00:35:19.880 And I think that's actually something else because that makes sense because to what you're saying, this idea that mainstream media and independent media is the real story here.

00:35:31.200 And I've said this, we had—we interviewed Congresswoman Margie Taylor Greene yesterday, and we had this discussion that somehow veered into the conversation of it.

00:35:41.840 It's almost like the division anymore isn't necessarily left or right.

00:35:45.860 It's actually people who believe corporate media and people who don't.

00:35:50.120 Yeah, I love that.

00:35:52.840 That's—I mean, there's so many things that, you know, the whole paradigm has shifted.

00:35:56.920 And Tucker Carlson came to his biggest prominence yet under this paradigm shift where the left and right don't mean the same thing.

00:36:02.900 But, yeah, that I think is one of the hugest divisions is do you believe corporations or do not?

00:36:08.580 Yeah, and that was a part of Tucker's big appeal was he was anti-corporatist in the most corporate of settings, which always was shocking to everyone, especially that the corporation allowed him to say the things that he did.

00:36:20.780 But that is really a huge divide.

00:36:22.460 And the fact that it's mainly associated with the right now—I mean, the left—I mean, I grew up around the left, and they were the first ones to call it corporations.

00:36:31.060 Now they absolutely love their corporate media.

00:36:32.860 It's really hilarious and sad and slightly terrifying to watch.

00:36:36.360 And it's the right that has rejected their corporate media and the official stances and more for independent thinking, free speech, and independent outlets.

00:36:45.360 And it's amazing to see.

00:36:47.380 I hope that it continues.

00:36:48.640 I hope that, you know, that this moment feels right, that this is a moment where mainstream media just becomes completely irrelevant and secondary to what's happening on independent media.

00:36:59.260 And President Trump has a power to make that happen, whether his campaign or not thinks that it's smart, whether his campaign thinks that it's smart or not.

00:37:06.360 But he could certainly forego the mainstream media, I believe, go straight to independent media, and it wouldn't really hurt him at all.

00:37:14.460 No, and I think you're starting to see that.

00:37:17.600 That's obviously been, by the way, RFK's plan going out right now because he's doing a little bit of corporate media.

00:37:25.100 He certainly is going on Fox, he's going on News Nation, but he's on, like, every podcast right now.

00:37:28.900 Every single podcast, you see RFK over and over and over, and I think it is a new path.

00:37:34.880 And obviously the original version of independent media, of course, was books, and you've got your book.

00:37:40.380 So tell me, what is – what's something in your book that we find out about Tucker that we didn't know before?

00:37:48.240 What's something that, you know, when somebody gets the book, they say, you know what, I never knew that about Tucker?

00:37:53.980 Or just, you know, any story that is kind of being told for the first time?

00:37:58.180 Oh, for the first time – well, I mean, it's – there are obviously things in there for the first time, but one thing – I mean, this isn't – he has spoken about this maybe once or twice,

00:38:07.960 but a lot of things people don't realize is the story of his mother who abandoned his family when he was six years old.

00:38:15.060 She wanted to be – go off and be a hippie.

00:38:17.420 She wanted to be like an art world groupie.

00:38:19.240 So I've heard him kind of, you know, use this as a throwaway line when he came down and spoke at Turning Point.

00:38:25.860 He sort of says this, and then he doesn't really extrapolate.

00:38:29.840 He just moves on and says you need to have strong families.

00:38:31.940 But it seems like there's obviously a pretty long story there.

00:38:36.760 Yeah, and I really got into it, and I actually interviewed people who knew his mother.

00:38:40.300 She died in 2011.

00:38:43.140 And then I got, you know, I got Tucker's wife talking to me about how she felt this affected Tucker.

00:38:48.880 Tucker's very strong about it.

00:38:50.160 I mean, Tucker said to me that, you know, he feels lucky in a lot of ways because some people –

00:38:55.480 he didn't have to grow up in the same house as a crazy person.

00:38:57.840 And some people would have to have grown up in that same house, 0.94

00:39:00.560 and maybe he wouldn't be the same person that he was had he had this, you know, sort of addicted, crazy mom around.

00:39:08.060 And so I got kind of more of the story on that and his wife's impression of it,

00:39:11.760 what happened the day that his mother died and, you know, how he found out and a lot of that stuff in the book.

00:39:16.680 But I think that's an interesting part of his story that people – a lot of people don't know.

00:39:21.320 Some do.

00:39:22.500 And then I really got to dig into that a little more.

00:39:26.820 That's incredible.

00:39:27.520 Where can people go to get the book?

00:39:29.820 Are you guys doing any events?

00:39:31.060 I know there was an Amazon issue, but I think it's coming back up.

00:39:35.560 I don't even know what's going on with Amazon right now.

00:39:37.800 It's all so weird.

00:39:38.640 You can – if you order direct from the publisher at tuckerthebook.com, that's a guaranteed you'll get the book as soon as possible.

00:39:45.580 Amazon, I think, right now they're sending weird messages.

00:39:48.020 Because you can still try Amazon – Books a Million still has lots of books.

00:39:51.920 Walmart, I'm told, is sold out.

00:39:53.180 I don't know when they're getting more.

00:39:54.440 It's a good problem to have, I guess, if a lot of people are buying your book.

00:39:57.440 But for sure, guaranteed right now it would be Books a Million and direct from the publisher.

00:40:01.900 And then you can keep watching Amazon over the next day or two and see if they update.

00:40:06.120 Chadwick Moore, where can people go to follow you myself, my friend?

00:40:09.680 Twitter.

00:40:10.180 X.

00:40:10.560 I'm on X.

00:40:11.860 Oh, X.

00:40:13.420 X.

00:40:13.740 I can say Twitter.

00:40:14.340 The social media formerly known as Twitter, formerly known as Twitter.

00:40:18.020 Right, yes.

00:40:18.340 I don't know.

00:40:19.140 You think they could do like, I don't know, Twitter by X or tweets by – I don't know, something.

00:40:26.500 I know.

00:40:27.180 I'm waiting to see how this plays out in the culture because we're still grappling with how we discuss tweets and X's and all this stuff.

00:40:34.360 What if it's a Roman numeral?

00:40:36.040 What if it's like the Roman numeral for 10?

00:40:38.940 It's 10.

00:40:39.780 Yeah, we're all 10ers and send me a 10 and I 10 in it.

00:40:42.120 So we're 10ers, send me a 10?

00:40:43.760 I don't know.

00:40:44.740 Yeah, he's 10 in it.

00:40:45.360 I think it's – I think people are going to still call them tweets.

00:40:48.360 I just – you can't change something that's basic nomenclature like that that fast.

00:40:53.920 Change the company, but it's the parent company of Twitter.

00:40:56.520 I think if we can leave it at that, I think we'll be fine.

00:40:58.860 All right, what can I say?

00:40:59.780 We've all got the addiction.

00:41:01.080 But, hey, there's worse addictions to have, and Hunter Biden is certainly an example of that.

00:41:05.720 Chadwick Moore, thank you very much.

00:41:07.080 And by the way, don't be a stranger here on Human Events.

00:41:09.540 I want to get you on more for more of your analysis as we move through the next series of events that we know are going to be quite extensive, folks.

00:41:18.540 Stay tuned because we've got an interesting segment coming up next about Michelle Obama.

00:41:24.580 When I grew up in the hood, I rolled with bloods, and them boys had a saying. 0.99

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00:41:36.540 All right, Jack Posobiec returning live here, Washington, D.C.

00:41:43.640 We've got a very special segment for you guys coming up with a new movie that's out, new documentary, Michelle Obama, 2024, her real-life story and plan for power.

00:41:55.480 And we've got the documentarian director and writer of that, Joel Gilbert, joining us.

00:42:01.240 Joel, tell us about your theory of the case.

00:42:05.000 Does she actually get in if Joe Biden has something that goes wrong?

00:42:09.320 One wants Joe Biden, not the Democrats, not Republicans.

00:42:16.680 Everyone thinks he's toast and he's not really running.

00:42:19.120 He has no campaign office.

00:42:20.840 And I started following the Obamas like 10 years ago, and I noticed that when Trump left office,

00:42:27.620 Michelle started following the exact same formula to run for president as Barack had. 1.00

00:42:33.080 Barack wrote two autobiographies, Dreams from My Father and the Audacity of Hope, before he ran for president.

00:42:38.720 Sure enough, Michelle wrote Becoming, her life story, and then another autobiography called The Light We Carry.

00:42:44.260 Both are on Netflix as well as TV specials.

00:42:47.620 Barack had a voter registration organization called Project Vote in Chicago.

00:42:52.240 Sure enough, Michelle started When We All Vote. 0.97

00:42:54.480 She's been running around registering people to vote now for several years.

00:42:58.220 And, of course, Barack was the keynote speaker who introduced John Kerry at the 2004 Democrat Convention.

00:43:03.840 Sure enough, there was Michelle introducing Joe Biden.

00:43:06.020 And that's the position they give to the person they think will be the nominee at the next convention.

00:43:11.020 So I think Michelle has set her up, herself up, to run for office. 1.00

00:43:16.120 And the Democrat Party has also set it up for her.

00:43:19.820 Instead of having to campaign in 100 counties in Iowa, like you normally would have to do,

00:43:24.260 they moved the first primary to South Carolina, where half of the Democrat Party electorate are African American.

00:43:30.340 And also, it's a state that Michelle claims as her adopted home state because her grandparents are from South Carolina.

00:43:37.340 And the Democrat National Convention, of all places, is in Chicago for a hometown girl convention. 0.95

00:43:43.540 So I'm predicting that Biden will drop out in November for any number of reasons.

00:43:48.740 It could be health.

00:43:49.500 It could be Hunter.

00:43:50.280 It could be impeachment.

00:43:50.980 And we've got December 23rd as the deadline to get your signatures in to appear on the Democrat Party ballots.

00:43:59.160 So I think November is going to be the key month where we see Biden drop out and the party will turn to Michelle Obama,

00:44:04.600 who's prepared everything for that moment.

00:44:06.780 And she's the only person that can get signatures together very quickly as well as raise a lot of money.

00:44:12.240 So that's why I got the, it's both a book and a film, you know, Michelle Obama 2024.

00:44:18.680 And I actually go into her whole background story, which is completely different than what she's been pushing.

00:44:24.380 She's been pushing for years the idea that she grew up on the south side of Chicago.

00:44:28.820 She didn't.

00:44:29.300 She's from South Shore on Lake Michigan, a middle class area.

00:44:32.460 She loves to make up stories of how she suffered discrimination, was held back in life because of her skin color.

00:44:38.640 All made up stories.

00:44:39.860 She was a very elite kid from a political family.

00:44:43.100 Her father was a precinct captain. 0.85

00:44:45.460 Michelle actually grew up afraid of black people. 0.84

00:44:48.480 She got beat up by kids who accused her of acting white and talking white. 0.96

00:44:52.740 She even writes in her book, getting into a fist fight with a girl who called her an Oreo, meaning you're black on the outside, but you're really white on the inside. 0.84

00:45:00.120 It's like a major insult. 0.91

00:45:02.080 And I chronicle how in Michelle's professional career in Chicago, she exploited the black community. 0.72

00:45:07.720 She worked for the mayor of Chicago as assistant planning commissioner, and her job was to knock down the projects at Cabrini-Green. 0.87

00:45:15.320 She made 20,000 blacks homeless and gave away the land to these Democrat donor developers like Tony Resko. 0.72

00:45:21.620 And then proving how callous she was toward the black community, Michelle was hired by the University of Chicago Medical Center to deny access to black people from the South Side who came to their emergency room. 1.00

00:45:33.580 They were losing money because a lot of them were uninsured.

00:45:36.440 So Michelle would kick them out, put them in these vans. 1.00

00:45:39.100 It was called patient dumping, which was illegal. 0.92

00:45:41.300 And Michelle would dump them back on the South Side in these crappy clinics. 1.00

00:45:45.340 So Michelle has a horrible history of exploiting the black community and running away from them for her education as a child. 0.99

00:45:52.660 But she tries to push this phony narrative, I'm just one of these ordinary black folks.

00:45:56.700 So my film and book just totally blow the lid off of Michelle's real-life story. 0.98

00:46:02.120 And I think black voters are no fools. 0.83

00:46:03.760 I think if they understood what she did to the black community in Chicago, they would not support the Obamas. 0.97

00:46:11.160 You know, I've always said it's interesting to me that, you know, when you talk about Donald Trump, that some people could tell you, they could tell you off the top of their head just the average person, where he went to school or at least where he's from, some of his businesses.

00:46:23.440 But when it comes to the Obamas, it feels like the public perception of them is so controlled that – and no, no, I'm not getting into birth certificate territory, right?

00:46:33.260 But it's just we don't even know the basics.

00:46:36.620 It's just regular people don't even know the basics about them because there is this controlled narrative.

00:46:43.560 Well, that's why they wrote these autobiographies.

00:46:45.800 Both of them wrote two autobiographies so that the media can simply repeat whatever the Obamas have presented about their life story.

00:46:52.480 Barack Obama's, you know, life story was pretty fabricated.

00:46:55.920 He was raised by white grandparents.

00:46:57.920 He grew up in Indonesia.

00:46:59.740 His roommates in college were Pakistanis.

00:47:02.200 He had no connection to the black community, no experiences.

00:47:06.380 Ironically, Michelle is the very same because she ran away from the black community to go to high school. 0.62

00:47:11.520 She could have gone to an all-black high school one block from her house. 0.98

00:47:15.200 She went to a magnet school.

00:47:16.600 Same with her brother, went to a Catholic school, all white kids, very expensive, because they had nothing in common with the black community. 1.00

00:47:23.560 So both Barack and Michelle are very insecure about their relationship with the black community. 0.68

00:47:28.820 And to cover for that, they make up these phony stories to manipulate black and minority voters. 0.89

00:47:35.360 And they inflame racial discontent by embracing Black Lives Matter and embracing all these causes because they're so insecure. 0.97

00:47:44.960 No, I think that's right.

00:47:47.880 And certainly we saw in the second term of the Obama administration, this really was the birth and the flourishing of Black Lives Matter and many other of these hashtag campaigns because of the work of Michelle and Barack.

00:48:04.060 And it makes so much sense to me that, to your point, right, they have this sort of academic view of the black community as opposed to the, you know, as what was the phrase, the lived experience that we keep hearing again and again.

00:48:15.360 Joel, where can people go to get a copy of your book and to watch the video?

00:48:19.520 Yeah, on Amazon.com, you can get the book version or the DVD, and you can actually also live stream the movie right now on Amazon Prime Movies and also live stream on SalemNow.com.

00:48:32.240 If you want to watch the trailer and read all about the book and the film, it's MichelleObama24.com, MichelleObama24.com.

00:48:41.540 Did you have any trouble getting it on Amazon Prime?

00:48:45.140 No, I didn't.

00:48:46.140 I'm hoping they won't, you know, toss me off for some reason.

00:48:48.960 I've had other films that have come and gone with, you know, that were political in nature.

00:48:54.380 So hopefully that'll last a long time, but it is on Amazon Prime right now.

00:48:57.600 They must think it's supporting Michelle Obama for 2024.

00:49:02.100 That's what it is.

00:49:03.040 Joel Gilbert, thank you so much.

00:49:04.420 Everyone go and watch this.

00:49:05.620 I'm going to go watch this because this is an incredible film, great filmmaker.

00:49:10.260 Ladies and gentlemen, remember, the republic can be reborn.

00:49:15.140 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

00:49:23.040 Thank you.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - August 02, 2023

EPISODE 530： THE OCCUPIED STATES OF AMERICA

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