Former President Donald Trump is on his way to federal court in Washington, D.C. to answer a grand jury indictment that accuses him of conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, and conspiracy against rights. The charges all center around Trump s alleged efforts to overturn his presidential loss to Joe Biden.
00:05:28.900And one of them is in a Trump costume, like a blow-up.
00:05:33.160Yeah, they're yelling things about the guys impersonating Trump in the costume.
00:05:38.380But, yeah, there's not large groups of liberal protesters.
00:05:42.020And I think some people expected that.
00:05:44.040But it could also be because, Jack, as you know, there was some discussion of whether Trump would be virtual, whether he would come in over a video.
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00:07:48.280Now, I want to bring in Rich Barris, the great Richard Barris, but at the same time, we do have breaking news in terms of this Devin Archer testimony because the testimony was finally released today.
00:08:02.380And it turns out this is from the great Paul Sperry, good friend Paul Sperry.
00:08:06.540CNN and other networks got burned by Dan Goldman.
00:08:09.540Dan Goldman said in all of those meetings that Archer testified that he was selling the illusion of access.
00:08:48.820Rich Barris, I want to go get you in now.
00:08:51.920I threw something up on Twitter that a lot of I'm getting a lot of blowback from the DeSantis camp and others on this.
00:08:59.840And I said, what Republicans need to be doing right now is rallying around Trump in the face of these charges because it is separate from the primary.
00:09:10.200And people don't seem to understand that, that if you are sniping at Trump right now, you look politically illiterate at best.
00:09:49.320How can they not read the room on this?
00:09:51.960You know, Jack, thanks for having me on as always.
00:09:54.600You know, people like us have been talking about this for months.
00:09:57.720The fact is they feel like they can't do what you're saying because they're going to get caught in a hypocrite trap.
00:10:04.720And there will be leaks from donors and others of people like me who have been talking to people like me, which is where I've been getting this for from from from months.
00:10:13.240They can't do that because the truth is they've been waiting for these indictments to be able to win the primary.
00:10:23.340And what's going on with the Republican Party right now is you have people like that really trying to exploit something else that is happening.
00:10:32.100And what it is, is it's really simple.
00:10:34.720A minority with an outsized voice is trying to exploit the fear of others and they're holding the party hostage, which is like paralyzing the party from fighting back against this.
00:11:18.600This is their opportunity to try to wrestle control back of the party.
00:11:22.460So that's why you're seeing this like incoherent political strategy come, you know, clashing with what you would think is just if you're in touch with the base, if you're in touch with the American people overall, you would think this is common sense.
00:11:51.080So if Trump's enemies, both outside in the Democratic Party and the administrative state, but also within his own party, are going to make a move, now is going to be the time.
00:12:00.960And I just want to stress this real quick before I take it back to you.
00:13:54.920And this is, you know, the New York Times poll that came out this week.
00:13:59.200The analysis of it is something people really I mean, it was an article written by Nate Cohen that said why it's such a monumental task to beat Donald Trump.
00:14:07.440That poll, Jack, mirrors our last national poll.
00:14:10.500But if you get into it more, you know, three quarters of the Republican Party at least does not believe Donald Trump did anything wrong.
00:14:18.460They feel this is a political persecution.
00:14:20.520That is not a difficult leap from there, from having people who believe that when your candidate comes out and takes snipes during Bret Baier interviews and and, you know, we've seen it over and over again.
00:14:32.600I can point to numerous interviews at this point.
00:14:34.960Their social media influencers are taking snipes on Twitter and elsewhere.
00:14:39.500It is not a big leap for those the base, those voters that I was just talking about, at least 75 percent to say, you know what?
00:14:54.540And it's not like the voters are drawing an unfair conclusion.
00:14:58.420They're going to put you somewhat in the same category as those they view that are coming after Trump.
00:15:04.120And even if for some some way you're able to, you know, maybe scare enough of the Republican leadership to just completely back away from Trump, which, by the way, I don't see.
00:15:17.280But by the way, they have an expression for this in I was going to say they have expression for this in in the crypto world that I find very, very effective here because it's called FUD.
00:16:39.500We have not seen the polls, even general.
00:16:42.160I'm talking about general election polls.
00:16:43.600We have not seen the former president's support deteriorate after Alvin Bragg, not after the first round of indictments with Mar-a-Lago, not after the second round of indictments with Mar-a-Lago.
00:16:56.960So we're actually going to be entering the field soon, in a couple of days, and this will be our first national poll since the January 6th indictment came down.
00:17:06.660I got to tell you, Jack, we're a long way away from the very first time that we posed the question about January 6th to the electorate.
00:17:13.860Immediately when we did, I'm talking about before all of these revelations, before the Tucker tapes, before so much, the country was still relatively split on whether media and Democrats were making way more of this than it really was.
00:17:28.140And now, a year and a half later, big difference.
00:17:33.560Look, I'm going to say right now, you are not going to beat Donald Trump using a FUD strategy against him because MAGA has got diamond hands.
00:17:45.120Yes, some of the paper handies are going to go, but when you're showing a bear market, there's nobody who's got stronger diamond hands than MAGA.
00:17:52.960And the MAGA movement, the movement that I've been part of, that I've seen for, what, seven, eight years now, MAGA's got diamond hands.
00:17:59.420And that's exactly what these people are missing.
00:18:51.320The very first thing I did this morning, the very first thing I did after prayer, after prayer, was walk right over and load up my Blackout Coffee.
00:18:59.660We are doing the Dark Roast Blackout Coffee right now.
00:19:28.440Now, Rich Barris, I want to ask you another question, talking about polls, because when we're looking at the situation with DeSantis, there was an interesting piece of breaking news that came out last night where it seemed like DeSantis had said that he will debate Gavin Newsom, which I think is very interesting because, remind me or if I'm wrong, but it felt like a couple of weeks ago, he said that he would do no such thing.
00:19:57.760Just so the folks at home understand, the general conventional wisdom is that when you're ahead or when you're in a delicate moment, you don't want to drop the ball.
00:20:06.660You don't want to give your opponents an opportunity to hurt you, so leaders and winners don't debate if they don't have to, right?
00:20:12.740So if you go back months ago when the polls in the primary were closer, a lot closer than they were now, DeSantis had no interest in debating Gavin Newsom.
00:20:21.640It was beneath him, and it's not a serious thing to do.
00:20:25.140Now that he's 40 points behind, he wants to debate Gavin Newsom because he needs some kind of a desperation play to get attention.
00:20:33.120Here's the irony of this, or really the hypocrisy of it.
00:20:35.860Now that he refused to debate Newsom before, but his supporters and his surrogates have been hammering on the former president for not wanting to participate in the upcoming first presidential debate that they're going to have at the end of the summer.
00:20:52.840So Trump is way ahead, and as a leader, you don't really feel that you should put yourself out there to make mistakes.
00:20:59.960They have been hammering him over that for months, Jack, and the truth is when DeSantis was in a stronger position, he wanted to do no such thing either.
00:21:33.660You know, Gavin Newsom, I know a lot of people make hay over this, Jack, but the sitting president is very difficult to topple.
00:21:40.960Even with all of this Devin Archer stuff, it would take even more to remove him from the ballad.
00:21:47.720So I think it's a lot of hype, and again, it's an attempt to score political points.
00:21:52.660They're trying to gain traction on a guy who's just been dominating the field, and it's risky because, like I said, it really does show hypocrisy here, brother.
00:22:01.920Well, not only that, but does – so basically what you're saying is that this isn't coming from a position of strength.
00:22:08.260This is coming from being backed up against the wall and showing desperation because you don't have any other moves.
00:22:16.340So that's when you finally take the deal with the devil, the hair gel Hitler of San Francisco, going in and saying, all right, I'll sit with you.
00:22:25.980Now, Rich, let me ask you this just in terms of style because, you know, I understand a lot of people, a lot of us don't like Gavin Newsom's politics.
00:22:48.340I thought he absolutely ate his lunch.
00:22:49.960Yeah, he's a slick guy, and this is why Team DeSantis three months ago didn't want to debate him because the truth is DeSantis is not a good debater.
00:23:02.220He's not someone who connects naturally, you know, on a human level with voters.
00:23:07.520And Gavin Newsom, whether – if you're on the right and you don't like his policies, that's totally separate from what you and I are talking about right now.
00:23:13.960He's very good with talking with people.
00:23:15.980He's very good at articulating his position, even if you don't think it's a wise or sustainable position, political position to have.
00:23:29.100So it is coming from a place of weakness and desperation that they're willing to do this now, or at least he's signaling that he's willing to do it.
00:23:37.120Because, again, months ago was the right call not to, Jack.
00:23:40.320It's risky, and especially – it's risky, period.
00:23:44.660But, you know, when you're looking at two totally different personalities, this makes it even worse, and it makes it even more risky.
00:23:52.760And by the way, this is coming from a guy who has been saying for weeks now, and that meaning me, that Trump should debate.
00:24:01.100If he doesn't want to go into the Murdoch trap, that's fine.
00:24:04.100You could get Tucker, and you could invite the other candidates, but, you know, voters tell us overwhelmingly they want to see debates.
00:24:12.020They understand Trump's position, but he's entertaining.
00:24:15.940His own supporters, a lot of them, want to see him debate because they think that he's going to wipe the floor with these guys, which he will.
00:24:24.660I mean, to pass this prologue, these other candidates don't really stand a chance against him, Jack.
00:24:29.380It's going to be, you know, a mixed martial arts kind of beatdown.
00:24:34.280I mean, so I actually – again, this is – I understand the political or conventional political wisdom of saying frontrunner, don't debate.
00:24:43.420But here I actually think that he should.
00:24:47.660Let me actually ask you to follow up on that because when you're saying frontrunner, don't debate, currently the frontrunner is Donald Trump.
00:24:59.080We're doing – we're going to be having this debate tonight on thought crime with myself and Charlie Kirk.
00:25:04.240Look, I'm on the pro-Trump debate side, and here's why.
00:25:08.640Because the normal rules don't necessarily apply to him.
00:25:14.240This is how he built his brand in politics was those early debates, 15, 16.
00:25:18.720And it's also, by the way, a way to reach out, break out of sort of the left-right media ecosystem that we all live in now.
00:25:29.040And you can actually reach out to independent voters.
00:25:32.060You can reach out to those center voters because it gives him the ability to show the contrast between Donald Trump and a typical Republican.
00:25:41.180You can't do that when you're only playing off of a Democrat.
00:26:28.800We spend all of our time obsessing over the independent suburban woman when, in truth, that's not really the independent vote anymore.
00:26:36.980It's not the persuadable independent vote.
00:26:39.860In order for any Republican to win a presidential election in the modern era, they have got to bring in these other people, these other normies.
00:26:47.760That is the kind of entertainment that they'll tune in for, Jack.
00:26:51.940They won't be able to contain themselves.
00:27:14.380And I think they are looking forward to it.
00:27:16.200Well, speaking of boring, Rich, speaking of something that's not boring, I want to actually go down here because we have we actually I'm told we have Natalie Winters right now on the scene.
00:27:47.680They've already shown up and I think they've been here for a pretty long time.
00:27:51.360Obviously, Trump is in route, but we've already seen a pretty, I would say, sizable demonstration.
00:27:56.160And, of course, sizable media presence really from both sides.
00:28:00.020I was just getting my ear, I would say, blown off by some far left people who are screaming about paradoxically election integrity.
00:28:07.940But, of course, there's a lot of Trump orders, a lot of MAGA hats.
00:28:11.240You can probably see behind me there are some huge Trump flags flying.
00:28:15.600Interesting and interesting to note, people may recall from the Miami arraignment, the individual who was dressed like a convict in the striped outfit with the weighted ball on his feet,
00:28:26.560who actually jumped in front of Trump's motorcade as he was leaving, pinned to the floor by Secret Service and police officers.
00:28:41.980But in terms of actual security and a perimeter, there's not really, I would say, a sizable fence.
00:28:49.340The barricade around the courthouse is more, I would say, erected by the actual media outlets, the cameras, the journalists who are there doing live hits.
00:28:58.100And like I said, I've been at the Miami arraignment.
00:29:00.200I've obviously been at a lot of these events.
00:29:02.100I would say this is one of the larger media presences that I've ever seen.
00:30:10.680In fact, we've got word from a human event source just before live today, and we're going to have more on this later, but I'll say I'll break it now for the live audience, that Jack Smith, he isn't done.
00:30:21.880He's sending out subpoenas to staffer after staffer after staffer there in the Trump campaign, junior-level staffers, mid-level staffers.
00:30:33.100He's going after everyone because this bloodsucker is out for blood.
00:30:39.800We're not giving any because MAGA has diamond hands, and we ain't going anywhere.
00:30:45.940I'm buzzing in my ear about the boring people at your office.
00:30:52.780I'm trying to listen to the new human events with Jack Posobiec.
00:30:56.420All right, Jack Posobiec here live, Washington, D.C.
00:31:00.260As Natalie Winters and others are there down on the street keeping an eye on the protesters, President Trump working his way to the courthouse now coming down from Bedminster in New Jersey.
00:31:10.120You want to bring in now, we've got the great Chris Rufo joins us to describe really basically how we got to this point that we're seeing today because his new book, America's Cultural Revolution, he walks us through the idea that these institutions have been infiltrated.
00:31:27.740And a day when the Department of Justice is indicting the leading presidential candidate of the opposition right in Washington, D.C., in America's capital, I couldn't think of a better possible way to tee up Chris's book.
00:31:45.700Well, it is part of a 50-year campaign, and the radical left in the late 1960s devised a strategy called the Long March to the Institutions.
00:31:56.020They knew that they could never get a majority of voters through the democratic process, so they said we're going to burrow into the institutions, beginning with universities and schools and corporate HR departments, and then now even institutions that were formerly kind of more right-leaning like the FBI, the military.
00:32:13.680And then we're going to bring these ideologies in.
00:32:15.700We're going to impose them from the top down.
00:32:17.800We're going to squash any kind of dissent.
00:32:19.720And then, of course, you see a troll culmination in all of these indictments that are partisan, are political in nature.
00:32:27.080They no longer have to hide their ideologies.
00:32:29.760They've revealed them during that summer of George Floyd, and they're continuing to flex up until today.
00:32:35.920Yeah, I mean, you really look at it, and it's amazing because conservatives have this reflexive, like almost a knee-jerk response.
00:32:50.800But I think as we've seen over the last few years, these have been the institution, this is like the pinnacle of it all, and I saw this towards the end when I was in the IC, that suddenly, because remember, I was in the intel community as Trump won and as he was taking office, and I saw the, I would say, the beginnings of this pathogen-style response to his victory, that all of a sudden it was like the system had to turn against him.
00:33:18.980And I remember sitting in my office there in Navy intelligence going, what's going on, guys?
00:33:24.300I thought we were supposed to be here to talk about, you know, the rise of China and some of these other threats that are out there in the world.
00:33:30.600I was, you know, focused on the Chinese Communist Party, but suddenly that wasn't the top priority.
00:33:40.120In the book, I tell part of the story of Richard Nixon and J. Edgar Hoover, and they mobilized the FBI to disrupt, dismantle, infiltrate, and then imprison many of those left-wing radical revolutionaries, whether it was the Black Panther Party, the Black Liberation Army, the Weather Underground.
00:33:57.220They decimated those revolutionary groups.
00:34:02.180You know, we know that they went after parents that were protesting at school boards opposing CRT.
00:34:07.260We know that they're working hand-in-hand with social media companies to censor people who question some of the Biden policies on the pandemic.
00:34:15.960And then now, this kind of military apparatus, you see that they're only promoting people that are lockstep in with DEI ideology.
00:34:24.740That's something that I hear over and over.
00:34:28.160And so I think conservatives are rightly bewildered by these institutions that they loved, that they trusted, that did the great work of the past of dismantling some of the left-wing revolutionaries who sought to overthrow the country.
00:34:42.720Now it almost appears that they're working hand-in-hand with the furthest factions of the left-wing ideologies.
00:34:48.760And I think conservatives are torn between their traditional loyalties and then all of the evidence they're seeing in front of them.
00:34:58.580This is something where, and I'll just put it, to put it mildly, so you've got these sort of the generational fight that's going on right now.
00:35:06.200And I think this is something that, you know, if you're a millennial conservative or a Gen Z conservative, I think you see it more.
00:35:14.560But if you're one of the baby boomers, if you're Gen X, I think there's still this sort of knee-jerk response to assume that the FBI and these law enforcement agencies, particularly the military, are still this like World War II-style, 1940s, 1950s-style government because it's actually been changing.
00:35:32.480This is something I talk about in the fourth turning, it's actually been changing, but they're still locked into that view of where it was in their youth.
00:35:41.300I think it's like that old idea that your musical tastes solidify in your teenage years and then you become, you stay, remain a fan of that kind of music for the rest of your life.
00:35:51.740The same thing is with your formative experiences about these institutions.
00:35:54.760If you grew up watching the heroism of World War II, hearing those stories from your father or then your grandfather, you have an idea of what the military is at its highest expression.
00:36:05.900But if you actually talk to guys who are in units right now, they'll tell you that, you know, whether it's Biden's kind of phony extremism stand down, whether it's the white privilege trainings that they go through,
00:36:17.900or these ridiculous figures like Mark Milley talking about analyzing their white rate, meanwhile, they're not winning any wars, they have a very different view.
00:36:27.120It's unfortunately and very sadly a kind of cynical view, but I actually think that it's an accurate view of what's happening.
00:36:33.140And I know a lot of guys that are my age and are late 30s that have served, and they say, I wouldn't tell my kids to join today.
00:36:40.620It's something very sad, but something that we should be quite honest about.
00:36:43.780Yeah, I've thought about it myself getting out of the Navy, and I've said, look, if you want to go in, and I've got family members that are still in.
00:36:53.720I've got a cousin who just joined, actually, and I say, look, go in, but go in to get some kind of skill that's marketable in the private sector.
00:37:01.080So go in, get some skills, get some education, college, OJT, you know, on-the-job training, and then get out, right?
00:37:08.740So use it to your benefit, get one of those education bills so you can use it for your own, you know, post-9-11 GI Bill, et cetera.
00:37:15.680But if you're just going to go in and put on a uniform and think it's Call of Duty style, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:37:20.420You definitely don't want to be joining with that kind of mindset.
00:37:23.880So, Chris, what's the solution, right?
00:39:31.660By the way, how's New York Times treating you guys?
00:39:33.680I know they've been like shunning everybody else.
00:39:36.460Is that the same treatment you're getting or what?
00:39:37.880Well, you know, they couldn't deny the success of the book.
00:39:41.280So I did debut on the New York Times bestseller list.
00:39:44.000And actually, to my surprise, the New York Times had me publish an op-ed, a guest essay in the pages of the Times, advocating for the abolishing DEI department.
00:42:38.220I'm sure he will be pleading not guilty.
00:42:40.180And then the judge, Judge Tanya Chetkin, an Obama appointee, who is one of the harshest judges on January 6th defendants, has been assigned to this case.
00:42:50.800And then she will set the schedule moving forward.
00:42:54.020So, he faces obstruction of an official proceeding, which is the most common felony count, slaps against more than 300 January 6th defendants, conspiracy to obstruct, deprivation of rights.
00:43:06.740And then, of course, conspiring to perpetrate fraud against the United States.
00:44:27.440So, what the DOJ does and what we just saw Jack Smith do last Friday is add a superseding indictment in the classified documents case.
00:44:36.020So, a superseding indictment overrides basically the initial indictment.
00:44:40.440What he did last week is add a new co-defendant, co-conspirator, and then new charges to Donald Trump.
00:44:46.180That is exactly what will happen in this indictment.
00:44:48.500My suspicion is Jack Smith will supersede this indictment probably three times before he's done.
00:44:54.800And at the end of the day, I do think ultimately he will indict Donald Trump for seditious conspiracy along with several other of his former aides, allies, and attorneys.
00:45:05.780That's actually – now, what would the timeline for that be?
00:45:10.960We saw in the Mar-a-Lago case, it looked like it was a couple of months in between.
00:45:14.760Do you have any indication of what Jack Smith's timeline would be for that here?
00:45:17.960Well, his timeline probably will be the next set of bad news for Joe and Hunter Biden.
00:45:26.060So, you know, you see how this timing works out.
00:45:28.320As soon as something bad comes out about the Biden family crime racket, then all of a sudden Jack Smith swoops in with an indictment or a target letter or a superseding indictment or this indictment.
00:45:40.000So, you know, Jack Smith is a longtime creature of the Department of Justice.
00:45:43.700He has ties, of course, to the Obama administration.
00:45:45.960He was head of the public integrity section for four and a half years under DOJ.
00:45:52.020He worked for two and a half years alongside Lisa Monaco, who is, of course, the deputy attorney general right now.
00:45:58.680So Jack Smith is, you know, another Democratic operative disguised as a federal prosecutor, and he understands what his marching orders are.
00:46:07.960So as soon as more heat gets turned up on Biden or the Democrats or whatever happens, I expect Jack Smith to swoop in with some more concocted, fabricated, unprecedented charges.
00:46:19.180All right. Everyone needs to go read Julie Kelly dot Substack dot com.
00:46:24.740That's where all the breaking is there.
00:46:26.120I want to turn now, if we can, to Natalie Winters, Natalie, the protesters.
00:46:29.460We can see there's a split screen up so I can see from the other camera.
00:46:32.940It looks like they're beginning to mass up across the street there.
00:46:37.240We know President Trump is about an hour out of the actual arraignment.
00:46:46.440Sure. Well, since I last joined you, I think it definitely has grown a little bit in size, certainly in volume.
00:46:53.020There's a lot of people playing music.
00:46:54.860We heard the song F Donald Trump playing.
00:46:57.920But besides that, it's primarily, you know, positive Trump flags.
00:47:01.360I will say, and this is just for my sort of primary source boots on the ground being here.
00:47:07.540I think there is an interesting juxtaposition.
00:47:09.740It seems like most of the pro-Trump supporters who are here are just people like me and you and their MAGA hats here to show support for the candidate, the president, the man that they love so much because he's been taking on the deep state really like no one else can.
00:47:22.720Whereas the left wing demonstrators, the anti-Trump ones, you know, they all have the signs that look like they were mass printed, being paid for by someone who knows.
00:47:32.900Because I'm sure his initials are either, you know, G.S. or something else, George Soros, of course.
00:47:39.180But there is, I think, more of a coordinated element to some of the left wing agitators, would be euphemistic.
00:47:46.200But the left wing people here, like I said, they all have the, you know, nice, clean cut looking posters.
00:47:51.800Whereas the Trump side of things is a little more, I would say, organic, from the heart, grassroots.
00:47:58.400And it's just absolutely horrific that a day like this would come.