Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 552： EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH VIVEK RAMASWAMY

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00:00:30.000 We are in a fifth generational conflict.

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00:00:45.740 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:48.580 Deliver us from evil.

00:00:52.020 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events.

00:00:55.800 Jack Posobiec live, Washington, D.C.

00:00:57.860 We're excited to welcome back to the show, fresh off the heels of a fiery debate performance

00:01:04.840 with the other Republican candidates.

00:01:07.880 It's Mr. Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:01:09.220 Vivek, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:01:10.820 By the way, for those who wanted to catch me on that, it's September 1st, 2023.

00:01:14.760 Anno Domini.

00:01:15.880 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:01:17.900 Good to see you, Jack.

00:01:18.560 So let's get right into it.

00:01:21.440 The biggest one, the biggest question was, so I threw out on Twitter, Telegram, a few

00:01:25.420 other areas.

00:01:26.560 I said, what question do you want me to ask him?

00:01:28.560 You know, we talked Soros last time.

00:01:30.300 We talked some of, you know, vaccine mandates, immigration.

00:01:33.200 They're throwing out to me this thing about an Alzheimer's drug.

00:01:37.840 They're saying this guy got rich with a pump and dump scheme involving an Alzheimer's

00:01:44.460 drug.

00:01:44.800 There's TikTok videos that went pretty viral this week.

00:01:47.100 I'm not going to play the video.

00:01:47.940 So people can go see it or they probably have seen it.

00:01:49.600 I saw part of one of them.

00:01:50.680 At this point, it was actually kind of-

00:01:53.100 And so, love to hear your response.

00:01:55.180 It was sort of cringeworthy to watch.

00:01:56.900 But anybody who understands or knows this, Jack, could actually follow the actual facts

00:02:01.380 of this.

00:02:01.820 They're pretty well documented.

00:02:03.580 It's very clear.

00:02:04.360 So I actually did develop a drug for Alzheimer's disease.

00:02:07.160 It failed.

00:02:08.180 Like 99% of other Alzheimer's drugs.

00:02:10.980 I think it's 99.7% of drugs ever tested for Alzheimer's disease have failed.

00:02:16.000 That's thousands of drugs.

00:02:17.040 Mine was one of them.

00:02:18.840 That part's true.

00:02:20.340 The myth is that I somehow made money on this.

00:02:23.000 So I'll just explain it to people who were so inclined.

00:02:25.360 If they care about these details, I'm happy to share them.

00:02:28.920 Royvent was the company I founded.

00:02:30.620 It developed a number of medicines.

00:02:32.260 The way I made my money is five medicines that succeeded.

00:02:35.960 One's a life-saving therapy in kids.

00:02:37.980 One's for men with prostate cancer.

00:02:40.580 One's for women with endometriosis and uterine fibroids and a number of other diseases we've

00:02:44.820 developed drugs for.

00:02:46.080 That's how I made the money.

00:02:47.680 The drug for Alzheimer's disease that failed, that was a source of significant loss to me.

00:02:52.820 Now, there was a subsidiary of Royvent called Axivan.

00:02:55.380 That was a public company that Royvent hold a majority stake in.

00:02:58.100 I actually did not sell, and Royvent did not sell, a single share before that failure.

00:03:04.960 That's actually remarkable because we could have.

00:03:06.880 We could have made money, but literally did not.

00:03:09.740 Some would actually go so far as to call that out honorable, that we didn't do that.

00:03:13.640 We took a bet.

00:03:14.380 We wanted to see it through.

00:03:15.500 We lost on that one, but won on countless others.

00:03:18.680 And so one of the things I've learned about this, Jack, is in partisan politics, people

00:03:23.060 will stop at nothing.

00:03:24.400 I mean, that's not like an interpretation.

00:03:26.620 Those are just hard facts.

00:03:28.540 You could trace those back to the numbers in 2017 and all the way back to 2015.

00:03:34.100 Those are black and white facts, but I've learned in this sport that people will stop

00:03:37.440 at making up nothing.

00:03:38.660 But my job as a candidate is to explain it, and you can't handle the heat.

00:03:41.520 You stay out of the kitchen.

00:03:42.440 So it's my job to explain it.

00:03:43.720 That's what I've done.

00:03:44.260 Well, so what would you say then to folks?

00:03:48.060 Usually the follow-up I get to that one, the next thing is, well, you know what?

00:03:51.360 It seems like this guy, you know, he's a pharma bro.

00:03:54.260 He's out of the pharma industry.

00:03:55.660 What would you say to folks that say people that are upset about vaccine mandates, people

00:04:00.400 are upset about being forced to take what they consider an experimental vaccine.

00:04:04.740 They would say this guy seems very close to this industry.

00:04:08.300 How can we really trust his background?

00:04:11.660 So most people in big pharma hate me, Jack.

00:04:13.800 I don't know, for people who know my prior career and tracked me or people who worked

00:04:17.220 in the pharmaceutical industry, most of the CEOs hate me because I've called out a lot

00:04:21.280 of the bluff of big pharma's inefficiency, its coordination, the corrupt relationship

00:04:26.560 with the FDA, which I've said that I will actually gut as the next president.

00:04:31.500 My relationship with big pharma, think about it as the relationship between rumble and big

00:04:35.940 tech.

00:04:36.540 And I say this as somebody who was actually one of the early private investors in rumble

00:04:40.840 because I like businesses that challenge corrupt orthodoxies, as rumble, I think, has done

00:04:45.500 a great job in.

00:04:46.320 And so that's why I backed them early on.

00:04:48.320 It's also why I started Royvan to challenge what I saw as a corrupt pharmaceutical industrial

00:04:53.260 complex.

00:04:54.320 That the part that I challenged was they systematically decided not to develop certain kinds of medicines

00:05:00.300 because the thing about pharma is it's all about groupthink.

00:05:02.920 If you take a risk and you fail, but you're the only one who did it, you might lose your

00:05:07.020 job.

00:05:07.600 But if you're taking the same risk that everybody else did and create a disaster, it's OK because

00:05:12.240 you're hiding behind the crowd because everybody else did the same thing.

00:05:15.700 So where am I on the policy questions?

00:05:18.320 Dead set against vaccine mandates, dead set against mandates of any kind.

00:05:22.200 I'm an absolutist on medical choice.

00:05:24.540 That means definitely saying no to vaccines and mandates or any mandate of something that has

00:05:28.940 been approved.

00:05:29.860 But, Jack, I also go one step further.

00:05:31.520 I'm an absolutist on right to try.

00:05:34.740 I think it is corrupt that the FDA says that, you know what, a patient who's dying from a

00:05:38.520 disease doesn't have the ability to make a medical choice and say that even though that's

00:05:43.080 not approved, I still have the right to try it.

00:05:46.380 That doesn't exist today.

00:05:48.460 And the corruption really is the same FDA that says it takes over 10 years to develop a new

00:05:53.320 medicine before you even have the right to try it is the same one that said you have

00:05:57.440 to take a vaccine that they pushed through in less than nine months.

00:06:00.660 So I'm on medical choice on both sides.

00:06:03.400 I'm the only one talking about the right to try issue because it's personal to me.

00:06:06.920 I've understood this because I've faced off against that bureaucracy.

00:06:10.220 But that's where I stand.

00:06:12.080 I also understand the corruption in a way that I can take it on.

00:06:15.320 Give you one pin on that.

00:06:16.400 Deliability protection from vaccine manufacturers, strip it, and I'm done with it.

00:06:20.380 That's the way I am.

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00:07:00.140 All right, Jack Posobiec back here live.

00:07:02.060 We got cut off.

00:07:03.140 Our guest, Vivek Ramaswamy, got cut off a little bit in the last segment there.

00:07:07.000 Don't worry, folks.

00:07:07.920 He's still here.

00:07:09.100 He's got it.

00:07:09.520 And we're going to give him a chance to finish it.

00:07:11.580 So, Vivek, we were asking and you were basically finishing up a question regarding the right

00:07:16.200 to try.

00:07:17.680 Explain that, by the way, for people who don't understand what right to try is, and then we'll

00:07:21.100 give you a chance to finish your statement.

00:07:22.960 Right.

00:07:23.420 So I understand this deeply because I've developed drugs that had to go through the FDA process

00:07:27.520 that is far more cumbersome than it should be.

00:07:30.200 We should have been able to develop those drugs more quickly.

00:07:32.660 It helps big pharma when the regulations increase the burden because that allows them to insulate

00:07:37.900 themselves from competition.

00:07:39.320 So here's my point.

00:07:40.320 If you're suffering from a disease, I think you should have the right to try a medicine,

00:07:44.940 even if it hasn't made it all the way through the FDA approval process.

00:07:48.120 And many companies might say that, hey, they can make that available to the FDA hates it

00:07:53.040 and they don't let you do it.

00:07:54.520 Functionally, they stop you from doing that.

00:07:56.540 I think that's wrong.

00:07:57.340 I'm a medical choice absolutist.

00:07:58.980 But the irony is the same FDA that says you can't try a medicine that hasn't been through

00:08:05.420 10 years of testing is also the same federal government and FDA that shepherds in a vaccine

00:08:11.300 for covid in less than nine months and says you have no choice but not to take it.

00:08:16.600 Think about that hypocrisy. 0.99

00:08:17.600 Hypocrisy. 0.99

00:08:18.160 It makes no sense. 0.59

00:08:19.340 And so, Jack, I understand the corruption deeply.

00:08:22.500 It's not just coming from a place of looking at this as an outsider.

00:08:25.740 I understand how it works from within.

00:08:28.620 That's why I've said I'm going to lay off over 75 percent of the staff at the FDA,

00:08:32.440 gut the corruption.

00:08:33.920 And I also think that we need to remove that special shield of liability that manufacturers

00:08:38.920 of vaccines enjoy that stop them from being sued for product liability.

00:08:43.920 That's crony capitalism.

00:08:45.580 I understand this.

00:08:46.800 I'm going to put an end to it.

00:08:48.180 But I do think it helps to have a president who actually gets the details.

00:08:51.920 Well, I thank you and I appreciate your candid answer.

00:08:53.920 I wanted to shift shift gears a little bit because there was a tweet you threw up a couple

00:08:59.080 of days ago at this point regarding Taiwan, and it was about strategic ambiguity versus

00:09:05.020 strategic clarity.

00:09:07.060 So my backgrounds in in China, Mandarin speaker, lived there for a number of years, traveled

00:09:13.240 extensively.

00:09:13.980 And so this this policy that we currently have of the one China policy where the United States

00:09:19.780 rather rather than say which China it is, the People's Republic or the Republic of

00:09:23.900 China, which is Taiwan, has always been this sort of protection for our relationship and

00:09:28.320 our continued military arms sales to the island of Taiwan while we don't declare itself to

00:09:32.920 be a republic.

00:09:34.520 And I'd love to throw out there and I've heard your your statement on that we need to be clear

00:09:39.500 about defending Taiwan while we basically rely on them for semiconductors.

00:09:44.940 But what if there were a situation?

00:09:46.960 So Taiwan's got an election coming up, as I think everyone knows, and I know you're well

00:09:51.360 acquainted with that.

00:09:52.080 We have a presidential election next year.

00:09:54.280 Taiwan actually has a presidential election first.

00:09:57.020 Theirs comes up in January 2024.

00:09:58.520 And the leading candidate is a guy by the name of William Lai, Lai Qingde.

00:10:03.800 And he has said publicly recently, he's the current vice president.

00:10:08.200 He's been publicly saying things recently that he doesn't support an independence declaration.

00:10:12.160 However, in the past, he has said that he does.

00:10:16.080 And the People's Republic, CCP, has said they would view that as an act of war.

00:10:20.480 This is something that a prior Taiwanese president, Chen Shui-bian, had stated.

00:10:25.260 What if there were a scenario?

00:10:26.960 And I know it's kind of a what if question, but, you know, you've been open to those.

00:10:30.920 Um, let's say, what if Taiwan were to basically provoke a situation where the CCP responds

00:10:40.100 militarily?

00:10:41.140 What would America's role be in that situation, given your formulation of strategic clarity?

00:10:47.360 So I think that would be a failure on Taiwan's part.

00:10:50.020 And part of our job in supporting Taiwan until we have semiconductor independence is to make 0.95

00:10:54.420 sure that Taiwan doesn't do something stupid to provoke World War Three in the meantime. 0.54

00:10:58.860 And Jack, I just want to explain the context of this. 0.96

00:11:00.740 I think you understand it.

00:11:02.160 The neocons have been coming at me like a ton of bricks after the debate stage when I said

00:11:06.720 that I would not provoke or engage in the Ukraine conflict any further.

00:11:11.560 I think that's a disaster.

00:11:12.460 I was the only person on that stage with the courage to say it, that we need to get out.

00:11:16.580 Now, as it relates to Taiwan, I think that part of how we deter China from going after

00:11:21.240 Taiwan is get Russia out of the relationship with China.

00:11:25.080 So my plan for ending the Ukraine war helps deter China from going after Taiwan because the

00:11:30.300 terms I'll require for making a hard commitment to Putin that NATO won't admit Ukraine to 0.91

00:11:34.280 NATO is also saying that Putin can't be in bed with Xi Jinping in that military relationship.

00:11:39.220 So against that backdrop, I've offered the clearest plan of how we deter Chinese aggression 0.98

00:11:44.440 while avoiding World War Three over it or even war and military conflict over Taiwan. 0.56

00:11:50.280 Taiwan is different than Ukraine, though, because right now and this is pathetic, Jack, that 0.98

00:11:54.340 we ever got here as a country.

00:11:55.720 But we depend on them for those little microchips, those semiconductors that power our modern way

00:12:01.040 of life.

00:12:01.640 If China's squatting on that, they have an economic gun to our head and I don't want to

00:12:05.540 see us get there.

00:12:06.680 So what I've said is in the near term, we need to be clear, have strategic clarity that

00:12:11.300 we will defend Taiwan, that Russia is no longer in China's camp, get India militarily and get 0.94

00:12:16.360 their naval capacity stepping up in the Andaman Sea, all to make sure that China would have 0.97

00:12:21.180 to be a fool to provoke or invade Taiwan before 2028 by the end of my first term when we'd

00:12:27.320 have semiconductor independence. 0.88

00:12:29.320 And then after that, what I've said is we would resume our current position of strategic

00:12:33.780 ambiguity.

00:12:35.120 Yes, I know that takes a long time to explain because this is a complicated situation, but

00:12:39.140 I'm a realist.

00:12:40.060 I'm not just a neocon that wants to march our way into wars and puff our chests because

00:12:43.900 it makes us feel better about ourselves.

00:12:45.480 No, it has to directly relate to American interests and the direct American interest

00:12:50.280 we have at stake in Taiwan that we don't have in Ukraine is that we depend on our modern

00:12:54.660 way of life because of semiconductors that come from there.

00:12:57.160 I'm going to onshore much of that.

00:12:59.120 I want to build better relationships with Japan and South Korea to help fix that problem.

00:13:02.940 But in the meantime, that's how we have to deter China from going after Taiwan while

00:13:07.840 avoiding war. 0.99

00:13:08.700 And part of our support for Taiwan is making sure that Taiwan doesn't do something stupid 0.98

00:13:12.320 in that meantime, either. 0.72

00:13:14.540 And that's why I think I'm going to be the president who keeps us out of World War 0.98

00:13:17.700 Three while actually advancing American interests.

00:13:21.220 And that was different than every other candidate on that stage.

00:13:24.460 And it's why they're coming at me with arrows from 360 degrees, as you've probably seen in

00:13:29.280 the week since then.

00:13:30.860 Well, quite a bit.

00:13:31.840 You've seen people like Nikki Haley as well, really coming at you regarding your Israel comments,

00:13:37.500 saying that you're not going to stand up to Iran, et cetera. 0.94

00:13:40.860 What is it with candidates like Nikki Haley? 0.89

00:13:44.000 Why do you suppose that this is a question that really animates her?

00:13:47.420 She was on the stage as well, by the way, not just after the debate.

00:13:50.760 But you'd never really hear her talking about the American people that way.

00:13:55.200 Yeah.

00:13:55.680 And the funny part is I love Israel.

00:13:57.880 I actually love their border policies.

00:13:59.400 I would love Israel's border policies in this country.

00:14:01.660 I would love Israel's tough on crime policies in this country.

00:14:04.900 They have a strong national identity in a way that we don't right now in this country.

00:14:09.380 I would love a missile defense system like Israel has. 0.56

00:14:11.740 So I consider them a friend.

00:14:12.940 I want to learn from our friends in Israel.

00:14:15.280 I've also been clear, Jack, and it's really kind of funny to see the back and forth with

00:14:19.120 Pence, Christie, Haley, Karl Rove all coming after me this week, where I've said that we

00:14:25.040 do not want Iran to become nuclear armed ever and that we will engage militarily if necessary 0.71

00:14:31.400 to make sure that doesn't happen.

00:14:33.100 But I don't want to see our sons and daughters die, our troops on the ground, in another Middle 1.00

00:14:37.740 Eastern conflict that's a no-win war. 0.59

00:14:40.180 And you know what?

00:14:40.620 That's what many pro-Israel advocates have said for a long time is they don't expect the

00:14:43.940 U.S. soldiers to die in that war.

00:14:45.700 Pence, Christie, Haley all coming after me for that comment.

00:14:49.140 I challenge them to say, how many Americans of our sons and daughters do you want to send 0.98

00:14:53.700 to die in another no-win war in the Middle East?

00:14:56.500 Be honest with the American people.

00:14:57.820 Tell them how many are willing to die.

00:14:58.960 How many are you willing to send to die? 0.85

00:15:01.300 Silence in response.

00:15:03.080 And that's where we are in the GOP.

00:15:04.540 That's why I think this debate was really productive.

00:15:06.560 I think the next one will be, too.

00:15:08.260 Let's smoke out this division in the GOP.

00:15:10.500 That's why I'm not a party man.

00:15:11.900 Every other person in that stage.

00:15:13.600 There was another candidate on stage, by the way, Jack, who was wearing the pin of another

00:15:17.540 country on stage, not just an American flag, but a pin of another country on stage in

00:15:22.600 a U.S. presidential debate.

00:15:24.720 That's shameful for where we are as a nation right now.

00:15:27.260 We need to stand for the interests of the United States of America.

00:15:30.000 That's why I am pro-Israel, because it's pro-American.

00:15:32.860 But I'm also very clear about that as the basis.

00:15:35.920 And that's made a lot of other people mad, but that's what distinguishes me from the rest

00:15:39.360 of this field.

00:15:40.380 And I'm going to stay on it, Jack, and not apologize for foreign policy that puts the

00:15:44.740 interests of the homeland, the citizens of this country, first.

00:15:48.600 By the way, a national defense policy that hasn't defended the homeland.

00:15:51.320 We're vulnerable for cyber, super EMP, nuclear missile attacks, even other forms of just border

00:15:58.820 invasion at our own southern border.

00:16:00.520 That's what I'm going to prioritize as the next commander in chief.

00:16:02.960 And that's different from everybody else on the stage.

00:16:05.840 When you look at the field, you know, I notice that people tend to ask you about policy a lot

00:16:09.640 more than the actual race itself.

00:16:11.140 But coming out of the debate, how do you guys feel about your position?

00:16:14.460 Where do you think the chips fell from there?

00:16:16.700 Look, I think that this is going to be quickly, I hope, in the coming months, a two-horse race

00:16:23.020 between two America First candidates who respect each other.

00:16:26.440 That's Donald Trump and myself.

00:16:28.200 I think everybody else is really parroting slogans that they memorized in 1980, handed

00:16:32.560 to them by their super PACs in a binder, and really reading them as effectively just vehicles,

00:16:37.300 vessels for what the super PAC puppet masters want them to say.

00:16:40.700 I trust our base to be smart enough to sort that out.

00:16:43.320 And then I think we can have an earnest decision about how we take our America First agenda

00:16:48.260 to the next level.

00:16:49.980 The number of people who had a conniption, because I said it on stage last week, that

00:16:54.120 Donald Trump was the best president we've had in the 21st century.

00:16:57.120 It's amazing that that sent people into tailspin saying that, oh, are you a Trump proxy running?

00:17:01.900 Do you have some sort of, it's the new collusion hoax they're making up now.

00:17:05.200 It's like the Russia collusion hoax last time.

00:17:07.580 The fact is, that should be the easiest question we've answered with George Bush and Joe Biden

00:17:11.320 and Barack Obama.

00:17:12.640 Of course, Donald Trump was a better president.

00:17:14.960 But I think it's going to be two horses, America First candidates, and then we're able

00:17:18.720 to take our agenda to the next level.

00:17:20.740 Well, if you remember, these are the same people, by the way.

00:17:23.560 And I actually pushed back on that when they said that you are a Trump plant, because it's

00:17:26.780 actually the same people.

00:17:27.800 That's a conspiracy theory all the way back from 2015 when Trump ran, because I know you'll

00:17:33.160 remember this, that when Trump first ran, he was allegedly a Hillary Clinton plant.

00:17:37.580 So that actually means that you are working for Trump.

00:17:41.780 And through that of Trump being a plant, you are also actually working for Hillary Clinton.

00:17:47.580 Isn't that true?

00:17:48.240 Vivek Ramaswamy, answer yes or no.

00:17:51.260 You know, I plead the fifth on that one.

00:17:53.300 That's, I guess, what we'll have to say.

00:17:54.560 And the fact of the matter is all media lies.

00:17:56.940 I'm glad that people are staying skeptical.

00:17:58.560 They should be.

00:17:59.100 But the question is, how do we take our America First agenda forward?

00:18:02.500 Because we don't have 20 years left as a country.

00:18:04.740 We don't have time to mess around with the nonsense.

00:18:06.620 I think it comes down to me and Trump, two good candidates.

00:18:09.080 And I think that'll be the choice that the people face before long.

00:18:11.480 We're coming up on another break.

00:18:12.740 Can I hold you for a little bit more?

00:18:13.840 Can I get you a little bit in the next segment?

00:18:15.540 Yeah.

00:18:15.680 Let's do it.

00:18:16.100 All right, let's do it.

00:18:16.740 Vivek Ramaswamy, he's given us some extra time.

00:18:18.860 We really appreciate it, folks, because this is what it takes.

00:18:21.960 You got to answer the hard questions if you want to make it to the big show.

00:18:25.820 Stay tuned.

00:18:26.520 Human events.

00:18:27.260 We're not afraid to ask the questions to the candidates.

00:18:31.000 And by the way, it's open to anyone who wants to come on, any candidate who's running either

00:18:35.860 party, more than welcome to come on, give you the same dream.

00:18:42.160 These are influencers, and they're friends of mine.

00:18:46.800 Jack Posovic.

00:18:48.280 Where's Jack?

00:18:49.240 Jack.

00:18:50.280 He's done a great job.

00:18:51.680 All right, Jack Posovic back here live.

00:18:56.980 Human events.

00:18:58.260 We're doing a whirlwind interview with Vivek Ramaswamy coming in that a lot of people said

00:19:05.080 he was the top choice of people to say they won the debate.

00:19:09.720 So congratulations on your debate performance.

00:19:12.720 We also talked about Nikki Haley, some others.

00:19:14.300 But one question that I don't hear brought up with you a lot is regarding the ATF.

00:19:20.520 And now I know you've said you've talked about abolishing a lot of these agencies.

00:19:23.860 But when it comes down to it, gun control is going to be put forward by the Democrats in

00:19:28.400 one way, shape or form.

00:19:29.620 And many Republicans in some cases go along with it.

00:19:31.880 So the latest that we've heard, and this is coming on the backs of the pistol braces and

00:19:37.400 other bans, bump stock ban, now we're being told that the Biden administration is looking

00:19:41.140 at an ATF rule rather than legislation to go after what they claim is the gun show loophole.

00:19:48.540 What is your stance on that?

00:19:49.760 I'm against all of these infringements around the edges because I'm a Second Amendment

00:19:55.760 absolutist.

00:19:56.620 You can check out my speech at the NRA where I went through the history.

00:20:00.480 And part of the point is when the government is armed, the people need to be able to arm

00:20:05.480 themselves at least to a commensurate capacity, right?

00:20:09.180 Now it's not muskets anymore that the government still has. 0.82

00:20:11.800 And so I think that the reason we have a Second Amendment, we got to remember, is it's not just

00:20:15.400 to go to the shooting range.

00:20:16.600 It's not just to go hunting or sport shooting or clay shooting.

00:20:19.720 No, it's because it's the amendment that puts the teeth into all of the other ones.

00:20:24.880 Iran, China, they offer the same freedoms that we do in our Bill of Rights.

00:20:28.480 The one thing they don't have is a Second Amendment.

00:20:31.220 And so I think we have to remember that in the present moment.

00:20:33.500 Do I want gun violence in this country?

00:20:34.880 No, I don't.

00:20:35.980 But the reason for that is we have a mental health epidemic.

00:20:38.780 And so, Jack, I think the conversation we need to have, the harder politically incorrect

00:20:42.120 conversation is instead of removing guns from law-abiding citizens or restraining law-abiding

00:20:47.620 citizens from being able to use their guns in lawful ways, we should be focused on removing 1.00

00:20:52.200 psychiatrically ill, dangerous people from their communities. 0.83

00:20:56.360 Have a conversation about involuntary commitment again in this country, not just loading people

00:21:01.560 up with pharmaceuticals, but even faith-based approaches and other approaches that we can

00:21:05.920 actually bring back psychiatric institutions, non-pharmaceutical psychiatric care that addresses

00:21:11.680 the mental health epidemic in this country, that removes violent, psychiatrically ill people 0.54

00:21:16.500 from the cities and streets.

00:21:18.440 I think that that's a long overdue conversation because it's the same period that we saw the

00:21:22.400 shuttering of that type of mental health institution that we've seen the recent spike in violent

00:21:27.200 crime.

00:21:28.100 That's the right way to address violent crime, not to do this virtue-signaling nonsense that

00:21:32.060 you can see from Republicans.

00:21:32.980 Like in Tennessee, the guy won't release the Nashville Transgender Shooter Manifesto, but

00:21:37.840 has the gall to call a special session to restrain the rights of law-abiding citizens using their

00:21:42.560 own guns.

00:21:43.320 That's wrong.

00:21:44.120 I don't care if it's the Republicans or Democrats.

00:21:46.260 Frankly, it exists in both parties.

00:21:48.080 And that's why I'm an absolutist for the Constitution, including the Second Amendment.

00:21:52.320 By the way, it occurs to me, one of the questions that we got in, and thank you, on this was at

00:21:57.960 the debate, there was a moment when people were talking about January 6th, people were talking

00:22:02.640 about the Trump indictments, Trump's mugshot comes out a couple days after the debate,

00:22:05.880 but there was a moment when the individual next to you, Governor DeSantis, was asked,

00:22:11.960 and this was one of those raise-the-hand questions about pardoning him.

00:22:16.300 Your hand shot right up.

00:22:18.420 He looked around side to side, later tried to walk it back, saying, oh, well, I thought

00:22:23.820 we weren't going to do the raise-the-hand questions.

00:22:26.720 What was going through your mind at that moment when you realized he was looking around?

00:22:29.880 I just chuckled to myself.

00:22:33.560 I don't know if I showed that visibly or not, because that's what's been happening this

00:22:36.600 whole race, right?

00:22:37.800 You have a lot of establishment politicians that look to me for permission to say the

00:22:42.240 things that I'm saying.

00:22:43.140 Once I've said them, then they can be a fast follower.

00:22:46.120 Sometimes I say things, and then the super puppet masters will come on me like a ton of

00:22:50.080 bricks, and the other candidates will say, oh, no, no, no, we can't say that thing that

00:22:53.200 Vivek said.

00:22:54.020 But sometimes I'll say something, and they realize I didn't get punished by the establishment

00:22:56.860 for that as much, and then they'll realize that they can tiptoe behind me.

00:23:00.040 So that's what's been happening in this entire race for the last few months.

00:23:03.360 We saw a snippet of that in visual form on the debate stage.

00:23:07.260 But, Jack, I could care less about bashing the other candidates.

00:23:09.440 It's almost a waste of time.

00:23:10.980 I think most of them are irrelevant, will soon be irrelevant in the presidential race.

00:23:15.420 I think some of them are good people.

00:23:16.540 Look, I think Governor DeSantis is an excellent governor.

00:23:18.800 I like some of what he said about the border policy.

00:23:21.040 I respect many of these other people to do narrow things we're going to need them to

00:23:25.040 do in our national revival.

00:23:27.060 But when it comes to the next president of the United States, you need somebody who's

00:23:30.040 bold, who's fearless, who will actually stand for the principles of this country, not incremental

00:23:35.460 reform.

00:23:36.320 I stand for revolution, and I think that's the choice we face in this primary.

00:23:40.480 I stand for the American Revolution, reviving those 1776 principles.

00:23:44.840 And that's a little different than establishment Republicans and why I'm not a party man.

00:23:48.420 I'm not a party hack.

00:23:49.280 I don't recite partisan talking points.

00:23:51.880 The reason I don't even have that much affinity to the traditional Republican Party is they're

00:23:56.100 not that different than Joe Biden or Liz Cheney or anybody else when it comes to some of the

00:23:59.360 most important foreign policy questions of our time.

00:24:02.200 I'm an independent patriot who speaks the truth, and I'm just using the Republican Party as a

00:24:05.940 vehicle, frankly, to be honest about it, to advance a pro-American agenda.

00:24:09.620 And so I don't hide that.

00:24:11.340 If I could follow up on that one, we saw yesterday a Gen Sixer, a nonviolent Gen Sixer, 0.66

00:24:17.700 who was sentenced to 17 years in federal jail, federal prison, for what they claim is a

00:24:24.920 seditious conspiracy.

00:24:27.400 They're talking about other ones, looking at 33 years, 30-plus years.

00:24:31.700 A grandmother was given a 15-month sentence.

00:24:35.300 What is your stance on pardoning those?

00:24:37.920 And I'm not going to do the gotcha thing of asking you about individual cases, but would

00:24:42.460 those be pardons that you're open to?

00:24:45.460 So I'll be very clear about this.

00:24:47.800 Nonviolent January 6th defendants will absolutely get a pardon, and they will get a pardon not

00:24:53.500 on the last day of my presidency.

00:24:55.160 That's what presidents usually do for pardons. 0.53

00:24:56.780 They don't want to take the heat.

00:24:57.880 No, I will take the heat.

00:24:59.820 Day one, January 20th, 2025, they get that pardon.

00:25:03.260 And also any protester who had due process rights denied, like Brady rule violations or

00:25:09.540 any other constitutional violations, video footage or whatnot that they didn't have access

00:25:13.120 to, that's just a due process point.

00:25:15.200 Regardless of whether you're on the left or the right, you're entitled to due process in

00:25:19.160 this country.

00:25:19.940 And that's part of a broader list of pardons that I've committed to on day one, Jack.

00:25:25.320 And that's the kind of president I want to be.

00:25:26.860 I don't want to do this in the 11th hour as I'm leaving office.

00:25:29.800 No, I want to have the spine to face accountability for my actions.

00:25:34.140 And these are actions that I will stand by on day one.

00:25:37.600 Let me ask you this way, then.

00:25:39.240 Do you believe that there were people on January 6th, not, you know, this question about federal

00:25:44.760 agents, but do you think that there were people that participated in January 6th that were actually

00:25:49.100 part of a seditious conspiracy?

00:25:51.240 Do you think that charge was applicable in this case?

00:25:54.520 Do you think it was appropriate to bring such a charge?

00:25:56.340 So I don't like when prosecutors bring vague charges that they can really turn into whatever

00:26:03.400 they want to mean.

00:26:04.520 Take what's actually even you want to talk about an equivalent charge, the documents case

00:26:08.960 against Trump.

00:26:09.660 What are they really using?

00:26:10.620 They're using kind of a species of the Sedition Act from 1918.

00:26:14.900 I think that these are wrong.

00:26:16.260 These are un-American statutes.

00:26:17.800 If you want to charge a crime, then actually charge the actual crime.

00:26:21.480 If somebody was violent and somebody hurt somebody else, great.

00:26:24.720 That's violent crime.

00:26:25.440 You can charge that.

00:26:26.580 Feel free to do it.

00:26:27.480 If somebody actually violated a law and here's what they did and here's the people who were

00:26:31.160 hurt, that's the way we should be prosecuting crime in this country, but not these creative

00:26:35.980 uses of RICO statutes or whatever to be able to say that here's the man and then I'm going

00:26:40.660 to give you the crime.

00:26:42.020 And I think that's what's happening too much of in this country, because if you're Antifa

00:26:44.720 or BLM, they don't come up with these creative legal theories that you invented the halls

00:26:49.820 of legal academia to think about how you could charge somebody.

00:26:52.840 No, in fact, you have there, you have plain as day violence that isn't being charged.

00:26:56.620 So I want to restore one standard of the rule of law, Jack.

00:27:00.960 I will never be like the other side.

00:27:02.400 I'm not going to preordain what the results of individual cases are.

00:27:05.100 I will never be like Biden, never be like what the corrupt DOJ is today.

00:27:09.680 I will lead it with integrity.

00:27:11.300 One standard of the rule of law applied equally to all Americans, regardless of skin color,

00:27:16.960 regardless of political belief.

00:27:18.380 If that's what we need to restore in this country and the one unique power that a president

00:27:22.660 does have, usually you can't change the past, but there's one exception, the presidential

00:27:26.940 pardon power.

00:27:27.880 And in that case, I will use it to correct for past mistakes, whether it's peaceful J6 0.99

00:27:32.500 protesters, whether it's Donald Trump, whether it's Julian Assange, whether it's Douglas Mackey,

00:27:37.520 who you may be familiar with.

00:27:38.900 We've gone down and we have a list of day one pardons and I'm going to do it on day one to

00:27:42.980 make a statement that I'm not afraid to hide from the criticism that I'll get for doing

00:27:46.820 it.

00:27:48.820 That's part of how we reunite this country.

00:27:50.240 And I do care about national unity, Jack.

00:27:52.680 I do think we're in a cold civil war in this country, cultural civil war, but I don't want

00:27:56.740 it to stay there.

00:27:57.840 And I think this is where I'm different than some of the other even healthy voices in our

00:28:01.880 movement.

00:28:02.440 I want to stand for truth, but I want to do it towards reuniting our country.

00:28:06.720 I do not want a national divorce.

00:28:08.620 I want a national revival.

00:28:10.900 That's what guides me.

00:28:11.940 That's why I'm in this race.

00:28:13.260 I think we can reach young people, Jack, and bring them along.

00:28:15.600 I think I'm the best position in this race to do that.

00:28:18.340 That's what it's going to take to reunite this country.

00:28:20.080 But it's got to be founded in the rule of law, equal justice for every American.

00:28:24.640 I couldn't agree more.

00:28:25.600 And Douglas Mackey absolutely deserves a pardon.

00:28:27.500 I know you have to run, but we had a quick question for you.

00:28:29.840 And actually, just a remark, if you could, our producers, can we show can we show the graphic,

00:28:34.740 guys?

00:28:35.340 Can we pull this up?

00:28:36.120 All right.

00:28:36.320 So we've found our crack team of researchers have discovered that apparently you and Pete

00:28:43.500 Buttigieg were grown in a lab somewhere together at Harvard.

00:28:47.940 And this is an initial testing phase that was rolled out about 20 years ago.

00:28:53.800 Can you comment on these claims in any way, sir?

00:28:56.360 Well, I think Chris Christie also believes that I'm chat GPT.

00:29:01.320 So I think as long as we get the story straight about whether I'm chat GPT or grown in a lab,

00:29:05.440 I'll be able to respond to the claim accurately.

00:29:08.360 I actually did crisscross with Pete.

00:29:09.860 He was a senior when I was a freshman.

00:29:11.920 And we're very different people in a lot of different ways.

00:29:14.740 But I would love for him to get his senses back. 0.93

00:29:17.840 He didn't seem as ridiculous back in college as he's acting today. 0.85

00:29:20.560 But the fact of the matter is, you know, we were all created in some lab, but I was probably 0.92

00:29:25.920 in the more traditional one.

00:29:26.940 You know, funny enough, born in this country, a man and a woman.

00:29:29.980 I don't.

00:29:30.280 Yes, that's the way that it usually works.

00:29:31.780 And as it should.

00:29:32.700 No, I don't usually I don't usually bring this up a lot.

00:29:35.460 But Buttigieg and I were both Navy intel officers at the same time.

00:29:39.720 And I'm pretty sure we attended some of the same conferences.

00:29:42.420 So that's our that's our six degrees of Kevin Bacon with me and you.

00:29:46.260 Vivek Ramaswamy, thank you very much for taking the time.

00:29:49.060 I know you got to run for being here with us.

00:29:51.080 Where can people go to follow you and get more information about the campaign?

00:29:54.900 Go to Vivek2024.com.

00:29:57.700 We've also put up a page that debunks a lot of the mythology that's out there, but it also

00:30:01.620 stands for, more importantly, the core principles of the campaign.

00:30:04.840 Vivek2024.com.

00:30:06.420 All right.

00:30:06.920 Thank you, sir.

00:30:07.400 Thank you for the time.

00:30:08.980 All right, folks.

00:30:10.940 I've really got to say that of all the things that Vivek brought up on that on that segment

00:30:15.640 right there, the fact that he brought up Douglas Mackey without me even mentioning it.

00:30:20.600 This is a name that you're not hearing from a lot of Republican politicians.

00:30:24.840 This is the guy who was convicted in a federal crime for free speech over a meme.

00:30:32.200 You want to talk about and, you know, there's hashtag ban the ADL is trending on Twitter right

00:30:36.980 now.

00:30:37.240 You want to talk about freedom of speech in this country.

00:30:40.080 You want to talk about being thrown into jail, potentially, for something that you post

00:30:46.160 on Twitter, then you must push back against what is being done to Douglas Mackey.

00:30:51.700 It doesn't mean you have to say you condone everything he's ever said and done.

00:30:55.340 No.

00:30:55.840 It means you support the standard of freedom of speech.

00:30:59.940 We've got Richard Barris coming on next.

00:31:01.900 I'm going to get his take on the interview that we just did with Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:31:05.160 Stay tuned.

00:31:05.680 Human Defense continues.

00:31:06.340 I hear about the boring people at your office.

00:31:12.040 I'm trying to listen to the new human events with Jack Posobiec.

00:31:18.140 All right, Jack Posobiec back live, Washington, D.C., human events.

00:31:21.220 We've got Richard Barris, the People's Pundit, joins us now.

00:31:25.180 Rich, so I know you were watching in the – we didn't have you in the cone of silence during

00:31:30.740 that, you were able to actually hear and smell and taste and see everything that was going

00:31:36.760 on as a matter of – we have a very sophisticated system here at Human Events and able to do

00:31:40.120 all that.

00:31:40.800 It's very sensual.

00:31:42.260 What is your take on Vivek's – not so much the interview itself, but his candidacy in

00:31:48.220 general?

00:31:48.640 I mean, I think it's been completely out of left field.

00:31:52.320 You've got a guy who comes in.

00:31:54.200 He hits the notes, bringing up things like Douglas Mackey, bringing up stuff that you just

00:32:00.580 don't hear the other candidates.

00:32:02.400 Even Trump, to some extent, doesn't go that level of the details all the time, and sometimes

00:32:08.980 he does.

00:32:10.380 What is your sense then?

00:32:11.960 Why is it that this guy has been able to do what he's doing compared to – look, you've

00:32:15.720 got a U.N. ambassador, you've got governors, you've got a Secretary of State who bowed out.

00:32:23.300 How has this guy been able to light the polls on fire, and then are you seeing movement since

00:32:28.900 the debate?

00:32:29.320 Because I actually haven't had you on.

00:32:31.600 Yeah, you know, it's a lot to unpack there.

00:32:33.400 I would say this first, you know, with the detail level – and I do this to people on

00:32:37.440 my show, and, you know, Laura has to pull me back up, say, don't take too deep of a dive.

00:32:41.320 You're going to drown people.

00:32:42.940 So, you know, I guess some of that is appreciated among some people, and some of it is like Trump

00:32:51.320 has a unique ability to connect, like, you know, on surface level, and he touches deep

00:32:56.900 with what he's saying, even though it's on the surface.

00:32:59.760 You know, but I'm not surprised at this, because probably three, four months ago, I said

00:33:04.860 he's running a campaign that, you know, a lot of people who wanted to support DeSantis

00:33:09.600 wished he had run, and he didn't.

00:33:13.620 And Vivek also has a very good way of, you know, you just brought up that specific comment.

00:33:20.120 He's got a great way of knowing what people want to hear and using his own examples and

00:33:27.280 issues to get them to talk about, you know, what he wants to talk about.

00:33:32.000 And that's good.

00:33:32.580 That's called message driving.

00:33:33.960 He's very good at it.

00:33:35.240 But I really think this comes down to his strategy was not to make an enemy out of the majority 0.99

00:33:40.640 of the damn party, like DeSantis and others did. 0.95

00:33:44.640 Nikki Haley, at least, though, you can say Nikki is Nikki, and she's not pretending to 0.99

00:33:49.780 be anyone else.

00:33:51.320 Mike Pence, I don't know what he's doing.

00:33:53.320 Chris Christie, I don't know what he's doing.

00:33:55.340 Ron DeSantis was supposed to be the Trump without the Trump, right?

00:33:58.400 He was supposed to be the Trump without the whatever, you know, baggage.

00:34:01.940 Well, he's Trump without the Trump voters at this point.

00:34:04.500 He's Trump without the Trump voter.

00:34:05.900 That's all he is, because it really became clear to many voters.

00:34:09.500 It's like, what do you mean?

00:34:10.080 Trump without the spine?

00:34:11.900 Like, you know, I mean, what exactly were you trying to sell there?

00:34:16.000 And then Vivek had been waiting in the winds, you know, and is he rising after the debate?

00:34:20.920 There is no doubt there seems to be some movement for Nikki Haley, too, because I think that some

00:34:25.960 of the never-Trump vote that was with DeSantis, I'm going to bump down over to her, the rest

00:34:31.240 of the DeSantis people that left went to Trump and went to Vivek.

00:34:34.980 And California and in Texas, we have Vivek in second, and DeSantis is in third.

00:34:40.060 Wow.

00:34:40.120 Nationally, Vivek would have taken second place in our poll if we would have continued

00:34:45.480 polling for another day, probably.

00:34:47.140 I really believe that.

00:34:48.940 What kept DeSantis in the lead is his strength with conservatives and self-identified Republicans

00:34:54.560 and conservatives.

00:34:55.740 Vivek needs to break into that group more.

00:34:57.960 Right now, most of his support is coming from the suburbs and more moderate voters and younger

00:35:02.480 voters, which is, you know, good for him.

00:35:04.840 I mean, if he's trying to set something up for the future, because of what he's done

00:35:08.740 essentially is he's, he's pretty much positioned himself to where DeSantis wanted to be these

00:35:16.120 he's gone after directly to DeSantis voter.

00:35:18.640 This was specifically who DeSantis and all just as Jeff Rowe and everyone said, we're going

00:35:23.740 to win the suburbs.

00:35:24.380 We're going to win the suburbs.

00:35:25.220 What you're saying is this guy's come in and actually scooped it up before he could get

00:35:28.760 there.

00:35:29.800 Vivek is actually performing better in the suburbs and among moderate Republicans.

00:35:34.840 than Ron DeSantis is.

00:35:36.900 He is.

00:35:37.580 So, uh, yeah.

00:35:39.080 And I would say we did do Florida, which I sent to you.

00:35:43.280 Uh, he isn't third in Florida, which doesn't surprise me at all.

00:35:46.900 Uh, you know, it is DeSantis is still home state.

00:35:49.980 Trump is absolutely dominating, but, uh, you know, for Vivek to get 7% and Nikki Haley,

00:35:56.900 who had some movement coming around for, um, yeah, I mean, you can see the map there.

00:36:01.940 Uh, the big change folks is the lack of blue now in the Orlando area, the Atlantic coast

00:36:08.420 region, the lack of blue in the Northeast by Jacksonville.

00:36:11.700 What is, what is blue?

00:36:12.680 What is blue?

00:36:13.440 Blue is DeSantis.

00:36:14.800 So what you see, you're saying what we're seeing on your, your chart is that DeSantis is

00:36:20.580 slipping in many of these key areas.

00:36:23.000 Oh, he has slipped badly.

00:36:26.160 Uh, the panhandle was kind of close last time.

00:36:28.500 The panhandle in the North central region of Florida was kind of close.

00:36:32.480 Now he's relegated to Gadsden and Leon where the Capitol is, uh, which is more obviously,

00:36:38.060 uh, you know, is going to be more, um, liberal of Republicans, but also he has loyalties, you

00:36:43.720 know, as the governor, I imagine that's probably part of what is going on here.

00:36:47.280 But let me give everybody the top line.

00:36:49.840 Donald Trump is ahead of DeSantis in his own state, 56.8 to 18.1.

00:36:56.300 That is up from last month when Trump was leading 52.6 to 32.8 or some ballpark.

00:37:04.840 So it was a, you know, a 20 point lead roughly for Trump.

00:37:08.180 But now, I mean, Jack, 57 to 18, I mean, that's huge.

00:37:17.220 I mean, I don't know what even to say at this point.

00:37:20.120 Um, white voters were the main big shift this month.

00:37:23.480 Last month, they were, um, roughly the overall, the margin was roughly the same among white

00:37:29.000 voters than it was overall.

00:37:30.640 This month, white voters went nearly to 60% for Donald Trump and DeSantis fell to 20, a

00:37:36.420 little over 20, uh, and then Hispanics who Trump was always winning.

00:37:40.880 He was winning them about 60, 20.

00:37:42.780 He's now winning them 66 to nine.

00:37:45.580 So it's a, this is a blowout.

00:37:48.240 This is, I thought it was a blowout last month.

00:37:50.380 Let's throw out guys.

00:37:51.100 Do we have that trend line we can throw up that you sent us over?

00:37:53.640 Yeah.

00:37:53.880 The trend would be great.

00:37:54.860 If we could show the trend, that would be, I mean, look at it, look at that widening.

00:37:59.660 Uh, this is massive.

00:38:01.240 Someone else.

00:38:02.100 Uh, so what you're saying, what you're seeing on this and Craig from wrong, and I'm, I'm,

00:38:06.620 I'm not even looking at it zoomed in, but this looks as though, uh, that's a crater.

00:38:10.540 That's a crater for DeSantis.

00:38:11.980 Total crater.

00:38:13.020 It's a total crater.

00:38:14.120 I mean, Jackie, he fell.

00:38:15.940 That's actually the biggest crater I think I've ever seen in presidential politics.

00:38:20.080 Yeah.

00:38:20.660 I'm sure there's some people on, you know, that work at NASA that look at the moon and are,

00:38:24.820 and haven't seen craters this big.

00:38:26.540 You know, when I was pulling it, I said to, uh, you know, I was talking to Sean Parnell.

00:38:30.520 I said, you know, Neil Armstrong hasn't seen craters that big.

00:38:33.800 That's right, brother.

00:38:35.120 That's right.

00:38:36.120 And I had said as a quib, but it's, it's, it's true. 0.99

00:38:38.840 You know, you have a lot of, uh, DeSantis influencers on social media openly, uh, celebrating

00:38:44.200 Trump's legal troubles now.

00:38:45.780 And I, I looked at this and I said, soon DeSantis supporters are going to be, uh, you know,

00:38:51.800 hoping that they charge Donald Trump with murder because he's currently killing Ron DeSantis

00:38:55.620 in his own state.

00:38:56.480 I mean, this is, is there, is there a, is there a specific date?

00:39:00.680 Is there a specific moment that corresponds with that, that you found?

00:39:04.040 Yeah.

00:39:04.320 Yeah.

00:39:04.920 I, I don't think I have that specific date.

00:39:08.300 It was big at the very start of when we entered the field for this month, which was the end of

00:39:14.900 August in June.

00:39:16.700 And we were still looking at, you know, a solid lead for Donald Trump, but 20 points.

00:39:21.140 So somewhere between June and late August, this race blew wide open.

00:39:28.460 And I will say this interesting, very interesting to me, especially in Florida, Ron DeSantis,

00:39:34.520 his best, um, interview mode was phone interviews, particularly live or peer to peer.

00:39:41.980 Uh, that was, you know, we would overperform there and Trump would underperform, even though

00:39:47.160 Trump was still ahead, it was always really, you know, much closer than in some of the

00:39:52.160 other modes this, uh, this month, it actually ended, uh, with Trump in the sixties and DeSantis

00:39:59.020 at 16.

00:39:59.940 So with some of the other modes that, um, DeSantis performed better in, that tells me

00:40:04.980 because who answers these calls, right?

00:40:07.660 Older voters and voters who have more at, you know, are more credentialed.

00:40:11.860 So once upon a time, he was doing much better with four-year college degrees.

00:40:15.740 He was doing much better with postgrads in Florida, which some of those people are actually

00:40:19.940 eager.

00:40:20.640 They're, they're like eager to be pulled.

00:40:22.860 Oh, they love it, Jack.

00:40:24.280 They fill your mind.

00:40:25.380 They love to tell you not only what they think, but why everybody else is wrong.

00:40:30.620 That's who these people are.

00:40:32.340 And this time it was just a totally different story.

00:40:37.300 It was, we have to rally behind Donald Trump.

00:40:39.500 Trump, anyone else is a submission.

00:40:42.980 Anyone else is us, uh, you know, that basically this, you have to remember Florida Republicans

00:40:51.140 loved Donald Trump more so than nationally.

00:40:53.600 I would say, I think that's very fair to say, and they are going to support him, you

00:40:59.360 know, during this time and they don't understand.

00:41:02.640 And DeSantis is, he's not at risk.

00:41:05.260 He has risked his credibility with not only, you know, his own party across the country.

00:41:12.340 He's done it in his own state now.

00:41:14.300 And they just don't understand why, you know, he's allowing this to happen.

00:41:18.320 They feel his presence in this race is making it easier for Trump's enemies to go after him.

00:41:24.420 So we hear it all.

00:41:25.880 We hear it all.

00:41:27.260 Coming up on a break.

00:41:28.340 We right back here.

00:41:29.220 Final segment, Richard Barris, people's fun at breaking down shocking numbers.

00:41:34.460 I would say shocking numbers out of Florida.

00:41:37.880 I'm always listening to human events with Jack Posobiec.

00:41:43.260 All right, Jack Posobiec back here live with Richard Barris.

00:41:46.300 Folks, what can I say?

00:41:47.860 The tie was getting on me.

00:41:49.120 It had to go during the break.

00:41:50.900 It's gone.

00:41:51.720 It's out of here.

00:41:52.960 But Richard Barris is still here.

00:41:55.340 You're breaking down for us these Florida numbers.

00:41:57.900 You also polled Florida as pertains to the general.

00:42:03.440 And you found some interesting answers.

00:42:06.460 Tell us what you saw in the data.

00:42:08.060 So we have been studying what we're calling we coined and others are using it now, which is great.

00:42:13.380 You know, we're calling it the Trump or bust vote.

00:42:15.720 These are voters we know very clearly only exist when Donald Trump is on the ballot.

00:42:19.880 They don't come out for other Republicans.

00:42:22.280 And we want to know what because what we have seen is a lot of those are Obama Trump voters.

00:42:27.020 They're new voters.

00:42:28.420 But did this really start to cut now into Republicans?

00:42:31.720 And what this is showing you right here, and this is with Cornel West on the ballot.

00:42:35.800 We did do both.

00:42:36.700 But basically, when we ask Trump's primary vote, what would you do if he's not the nominee?

00:42:43.020 You have about 5% who say they won't vote.

00:42:45.160 And then you have another almost 30, Jack, who say that they would write his name in the ballot.

00:42:49.380 And we'll test that theory when we ask about DeSantis versus Biden.

00:42:53.480 Let me just say about Trump's lead, which is 45 or it's 46, actually, with West in the race.

00:43:01.060 Let me just say that this is the biggest lead in my entire career I have ever polled in the state of Florida at the presidential level.

00:43:07.200 Normally, it's very close, two, maybe four points.

00:43:11.240 Rick Scott was the biggest lead when he was running in the Senate.

00:43:13.960 He had a six-point lead.

00:43:14.940 I went back and checked.

00:43:16.400 Nobody polls like this in Florida in our polling for president.

00:43:20.800 And then you have DeSantis roughly tied.

00:43:22.820 And what that is from is that 7% who say they would write in somebody, 95% of them, between 93 and 95, depending on whether West is in or not, are writing in Donald Trump.

00:43:35.980 And I mean explicitly.

00:43:38.100 Americans can be very colorful sometimes.

00:43:40.620 They are making it very clear that they are going to write in Donald Trump.

00:43:44.320 This is his – so the Trump or boss vote is not only present but a serious problem for Republicans, even in Donald Trump – even in Ron DeSantis' home state.

00:43:55.580 He's a sitting governor.

00:43:57.360 And you still have 7% of the vote missing from the electorate because they're not going to vote for him.

00:44:03.620 They're going to vote for DeSantis, and it makes it a statistically even race when you peg DeSantis against Biden.

00:44:10.360 By the way, two months ago that was not the case.

00:44:12.300 Which, by the way, what you're tracking, what you're also – this corresponds to something that Rush Limbaugh used to talk all about during 2008 and 2012.

00:44:22.480 Nobody ever polled this before because we didn't really have, like, a Trump to poll it with.

00:44:28.300 But I guess you could have polled it.

00:44:30.320 That people – conservatives like me who decided that they didn't want to vote for McCain and they didn't want to vote for Romney, so they just didn't vote.

00:44:39.720 That's essentially what you're voting – what you're checking here.

00:44:43.120 Whether they would write in Trump or not, it's a hypothetical question.

00:44:46.300 But the real question is you're actually previewing for us what that role of the conservative who stays home would play if for any reason – because the RNC right now, there's theories and chicanery afoot about a potential contested convention.

00:45:04.880 And you saw even – I believe it was Asa Hutchinson who set up at the debate something about RNC rules preventing Trump from being nominated if he's been convicted of something, which I'm not going to let go of that because it does not – I do not put it past these people to try to actually pull something like that on the floor.

00:45:26.000 What you're basically outlining is you do something like that, you're going to lose the election.

00:45:30.840 I think, too, and I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, you're not just going to lose the election.

00:45:37.200 You stand a very, very likely chance of losing your party.

00:45:41.720 In 1992, the last time they screwed over voters like this, Ross Perot, it would be the end of the Republican Party.

00:45:51.460 They would be eviscerated, and the very next morning on cable news and network news, all you would hear from pundits is, is this the end of the Republican Party?

00:46:00.340 And the base would be furious, and they would make something else.

00:46:04.200 They would force it out of existence.

00:46:06.500 I am telling you, too, there's another element.

00:46:08.760 If you have the Republicans, that this is absolutely that Rush Limbaugh voter.

00:46:12.860 And then there's another element, the I voted maybe for Obama in 08.

00:46:17.400 Then I didn't vote for Mitt Romney because, you know, the hell with him.

00:46:20.660 And then I voted for Trump.

00:46:22.160 I don't vote in 18.

00:46:23.480 I don't vote in 22.

00:46:24.840 I did vote for Trump in 20.

00:46:26.380 And then, Jack, there's new voters, and many of them we highlighted in the press release.

00:46:31.760 Every single independent Hispanic who said they would write someone in wrote in Donald Trump.

00:46:38.720 Every single one.

00:46:41.380 Not one to someone else, to some obscure candidate.

00:46:44.880 Not one.

00:46:46.140 Every single write-in was for Donald Trump. 1.00

00:46:49.960 If you ignore that, you're an idiot, and you deserve to lose your party. 1.00

00:46:54.300 You know, New Hampshire, look at what they tried. 1.00

00:46:56.220 They were thinking about polling.

00:46:57.900 This is national suicide for the Republican Party.

00:47:03.060 If you beat him, you beat him.

00:47:04.460 That's different.

00:47:05.460 And I think the voters are still going to see some degree stay home if he was to lose fair and square.

00:47:10.640 But we're at a point now where no one's ever going to view it fair and square.

00:47:14.280 They see what's happening to him.

00:47:16.940 All in their minds, a way to rig yet another election against him, and another way, yet again, to rig a system, a society, against them.

00:47:26.660 And I'm telling you, this is it.

00:47:31.700 This is it, Jack.

00:47:33.700 That being said, you put Trump on the ballot, Trump gets in there, and we did just see, by the way, a judge down in Florida blocked one of these lawsuits to try to strip Trump from the ballot.

00:47:47.160 That just happened earlier today.

00:47:49.300 So Trump goes on the ballot.

00:47:51.040 Let's say Cornell West is on the ballot.

00:47:54.680 All things considered equal at this point, who wins the race between Trump, Cornell West, and Joe Biden?

00:48:01.920 So Trump actually jumps up a point with Cornell West.

00:48:06.680 He goes from 45 to 46, and Biden is at 36.8, so he loses a tenth of a percentage point.

00:48:13.680 It's a little bit weird how that works, but Trump actually gains, but not because of Biden's loss.

00:48:19.680 And I think it's noteworthy that you have DeSantis and Biden tied statistically at 38, 37.8 for Biden, 37.5 for DeSantis.

00:48:29.700 With West, it goes from that to 37.3 up, so they're both tied there.

00:48:37.540 We heard from people, whether it was West or without West in the race, I voted for Ron DeSantis even in the midterm.

00:48:45.060 I supported him, but that was for governor.

00:48:48.580 This is for president.

00:48:49.980 It's very different.

00:48:51.280 I tried explaining to people, gubernatorial elections are not any kind of an indication of how a candidate or a party will fare at the presidential election in a specific state, to include Florida.

00:49:04.940 Bush won re-election overwhelmingly, and yet his own brother narrowly won the state.

00:49:10.360 I mean, it doesn't work that way.

00:49:12.420 And people made a very, very terrible mistake.

00:49:15.500 Where can people go to follow you?

00:49:16.980 Where can you get all the numbers?

00:49:18.700 Best place, Jack, is locals, peoplespundent.locals.com.

00:49:22.960 That'll show when the show is up.

00:49:24.640 They always get the polling first before it even goes on Big Data Poll.

00:49:28.120 peoplespundent.locals.com.

00:49:30.700 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay short.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - September 01, 2023

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