EPISODE 552： EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH VIVEK RAMASWAMY
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Vivek Ramaswamy is a former pharmaceutical executive, entrepreneur, and presidential candidate. He has a fascinating story about how he got rich from a failed Alzheimer s drug, and how he built a multi-billion dollar company from nothing.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events.
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We're excited to welcome back to the show, fresh off the heels of a fiery debate performance
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By the way, for those who wanted to catch me on that, it's September 1st, 2023.
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The biggest one, the biggest question was, so I threw out on Twitter, Telegram, a few
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I said, what question do you want me to ask him?
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We talked some of, you know, vaccine mandates, immigration.
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They're throwing out to me this thing about an Alzheimer's drug.
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They're saying this guy got rich with a pump and dump scheme involving an Alzheimer's
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There's TikTok videos that went pretty viral this week.
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So people can go see it or they probably have seen it.
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But anybody who understands or knows this, Jack, could actually follow the actual facts
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So I actually did develop a drug for Alzheimer's disease.
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I think it's 99.7% of drugs ever tested for Alzheimer's disease have failed.
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So I'll just explain it to people who were so inclined.
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If they care about these details, I'm happy to share them.
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The way I made my money is five medicines that succeeded.
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One's for women with endometriosis and uterine fibroids and a number of other diseases we've
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The drug for Alzheimer's disease that failed, that was a source of significant loss to me.
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Now, there was a subsidiary of Royvent called Axivan.
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That was a public company that Royvent hold a majority stake in.
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I actually did not sell, and Royvent did not sell, a single share before that failure.
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That's actually remarkable because we could have.
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We could have made money, but literally did not.
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Some would actually go so far as to call that out honorable, that we didn't do that.
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We lost on that one, but won on countless others.
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And so one of the things I've learned about this, Jack, is in partisan politics, people
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You could trace those back to the numbers in 2017 and all the way back to 2015.
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Those are black and white facts, but I've learned in this sport that people will stop
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But my job as a candidate is to explain it, and you can't handle the heat.
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Usually the follow-up I get to that one, the next thing is, well, you know what?
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It seems like this guy, you know, he's a pharma bro.
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What would you say to folks that say people that are upset about vaccine mandates, people
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are upset about being forced to take what they consider an experimental vaccine.
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They would say this guy seems very close to this industry.
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I don't know, for people who know my prior career and tracked me or people who worked
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in the pharmaceutical industry, most of the CEOs hate me because I've called out a lot
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of the bluff of big pharma's inefficiency, its coordination, the corrupt relationship
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with the FDA, which I've said that I will actually gut as the next president.
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My relationship with big pharma, think about it as the relationship between rumble and big
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And I say this as somebody who was actually one of the early private investors in rumble
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because I like businesses that challenge corrupt orthodoxies, as rumble, I think, has done
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It's also why I started Royvan to challenge what I saw as a corrupt pharmaceutical industrial
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That the part that I challenged was they systematically decided not to develop certain kinds of medicines
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because the thing about pharma is it's all about groupthink.
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If you take a risk and you fail, but you're the only one who did it, you might lose your
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But if you're taking the same risk that everybody else did and create a disaster, it's OK because
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you're hiding behind the crowd because everybody else did the same thing.
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Dead set against vaccine mandates, dead set against mandates of any kind.
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That means definitely saying no to vaccines and mandates or any mandate of something that has
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I think it is corrupt that the FDA says that, you know what, a patient who's dying from a
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disease doesn't have the ability to make a medical choice and say that even though that's
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not approved, I still have the right to try it.
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And the corruption really is the same FDA that says it takes over 10 years to develop a new
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medicine before you even have the right to try it is the same one that said you have
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to take a vaccine that they pushed through in less than nine months.
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I'm the only one talking about the right to try issue because it's personal to me.
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I've understood this because I've faced off against that bureaucracy.
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I also understand the corruption in a way that I can take it on.
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Deliability protection from vaccine manufacturers, strip it, and I'm done with it.
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In the hood, I rolled with bloods, and them boys had a saying.
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You can't be listening to all that slappy, whack, trimatazol, it's a bam ship, nippy, bam,
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Our guest, Vivek Ramaswamy, got cut off a little bit in the last segment there.
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And we're going to give him a chance to finish it.
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So, Vivek, we were asking and you were basically finishing up a question regarding the right
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Explain that, by the way, for people who don't understand what right to try is, and then we'll
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So I understand this deeply because I've developed drugs that had to go through the FDA process
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We should have been able to develop those drugs more quickly.
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It helps big pharma when the regulations increase the burden because that allows them to insulate
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If you're suffering from a disease, I think you should have the right to try a medicine,
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even if it hasn't made it all the way through the FDA approval process.
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And many companies might say that, hey, they can make that available to the FDA hates it
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But the irony is the same FDA that says you can't try a medicine that hasn't been through
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10 years of testing is also the same federal government and FDA that shepherds in a vaccine
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for covid in less than nine months and says you have no choice but not to take it.
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And so, Jack, I understand the corruption deeply.
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It's not just coming from a place of looking at this as an outsider.
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That's why I've said I'm going to lay off over 75 percent of the staff at the FDA,
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And I also think that we need to remove that special shield of liability that manufacturers
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of vaccines enjoy that stop them from being sued for product liability.
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But I do think it helps to have a president who actually gets the details.
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Well, I thank you and I appreciate your candid answer.
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I wanted to shift shift gears a little bit because there was a tweet you threw up a couple
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of days ago at this point regarding Taiwan, and it was about strategic ambiguity versus
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So my backgrounds in in China, Mandarin speaker, lived there for a number of years, traveled
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And so this this policy that we currently have of the one China policy where the United States
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rather rather than say which China it is, the People's Republic or the Republic of
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China, which is Taiwan, has always been this sort of protection for our relationship and
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our continued military arms sales to the island of Taiwan while we don't declare itself to
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And I'd love to throw out there and I've heard your your statement on that we need to be clear
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about defending Taiwan while we basically rely on them for semiconductors.
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So Taiwan's got an election coming up, as I think everyone knows, and I know you're well
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Taiwan actually has a presidential election first.
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And the leading candidate is a guy by the name of William Lai, Lai Qingde.
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And he has said publicly recently, he's the current vice president.
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He's been publicly saying things recently that he doesn't support an independence declaration.
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However, in the past, he has said that he does.
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And the People's Republic, CCP, has said they would view that as an act of war.
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This is something that a prior Taiwanese president, Chen Shui-bian, had stated.
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And I know it's kind of a what if question, but, you know, you've been open to those.
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Um, let's say, what if Taiwan were to basically provoke a situation where the CCP responds
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What would America's role be in that situation, given your formulation of strategic clarity?
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So I think that would be a failure on Taiwan's part.
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And part of our job in supporting Taiwan until we have semiconductor independence is to make
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sure that Taiwan doesn't do something stupid to provoke World War Three in the meantime.
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And Jack, I just want to explain the context of this.
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The neocons have been coming at me like a ton of bricks after the debate stage when I said
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that I would not provoke or engage in the Ukraine conflict any further.
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I was the only person on that stage with the courage to say it, that we need to get out.
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Now, as it relates to Taiwan, I think that part of how we deter China from going after
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Taiwan is get Russia out of the relationship with China.
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So my plan for ending the Ukraine war helps deter China from going after Taiwan because the
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terms I'll require for making a hard commitment to Putin that NATO won't admit Ukraine to
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NATO is also saying that Putin can't be in bed with Xi Jinping in that military relationship.
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So against that backdrop, I've offered the clearest plan of how we deter Chinese aggression
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while avoiding World War Three over it or even war and military conflict over Taiwan.
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Taiwan is different than Ukraine, though, because right now and this is pathetic, Jack, that
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But we depend on them for those little microchips, those semiconductors that power our modern way
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If China's squatting on that, they have an economic gun to our head and I don't want to
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So what I've said is in the near term, we need to be clear, have strategic clarity that
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we will defend Taiwan, that Russia is no longer in China's camp, get India militarily and get
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their naval capacity stepping up in the Andaman Sea, all to make sure that China would have
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to be a fool to provoke or invade Taiwan before 2028 by the end of my first term when we'd
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And then after that, what I've said is we would resume our current position of strategic
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Yes, I know that takes a long time to explain because this is a complicated situation, but
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I'm not just a neocon that wants to march our way into wars and puff our chests because
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No, it has to directly relate to American interests and the direct American interest
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we have at stake in Taiwan that we don't have in Ukraine is that we depend on our modern
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way of life because of semiconductors that come from there.
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I want to build better relationships with Japan and South Korea to help fix that problem.
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But in the meantime, that's how we have to deter China from going after Taiwan while
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And part of our support for Taiwan is making sure that Taiwan doesn't do something stupid
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And that's why I think I'm going to be the president who keeps us out of World War
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Three while actually advancing American interests.
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And that was different than every other candidate on that stage.
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And it's why they're coming at me with arrows from 360 degrees, as you've probably seen in
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You've seen people like Nikki Haley as well, really coming at you regarding your Israel comments,
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saying that you're not going to stand up to Iran, et cetera.
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Why do you suppose that this is a question that really animates her?
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She was on the stage as well, by the way, not just after the debate.
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But you'd never really hear her talking about the American people that way.
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I would love Israel's border policies in this country.
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I would love Israel's tough on crime policies in this country.
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They have a strong national identity in a way that we don't right now in this country.
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I would love a missile defense system like Israel has.
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I've also been clear, Jack, and it's really kind of funny to see the back and forth with
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Pence, Christie, Haley, Karl Rove all coming after me this week, where I've said that we
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do not want Iran to become nuclear armed ever and that we will engage militarily if necessary
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But I don't want to see our sons and daughters die, our troops on the ground, in another Middle
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That's what many pro-Israel advocates have said for a long time is they don't expect the
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Pence, Christie, Haley all coming after me for that comment.
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I challenge them to say, how many Americans of our sons and daughters do you want to send
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to die in another no-win war in the Middle East?
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That's why I think this debate was really productive.
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There was another candidate on stage, by the way, Jack, who was wearing the pin of another
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country on stage, not just an American flag, but a pin of another country on stage in
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That's shameful for where we are as a nation right now.
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We need to stand for the interests of the United States of America.
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That's why I am pro-Israel, because it's pro-American.
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But I'm also very clear about that as the basis.
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And that's made a lot of other people mad, but that's what distinguishes me from the rest
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And I'm going to stay on it, Jack, and not apologize for foreign policy that puts the
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interests of the homeland, the citizens of this country, first.
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By the way, a national defense policy that hasn't defended the homeland.
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We're vulnerable for cyber, super EMP, nuclear missile attacks, even other forms of just border
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That's what I'm going to prioritize as the next commander in chief.
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And that's different from everybody else on the stage.
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When you look at the field, you know, I notice that people tend to ask you about policy a lot
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But coming out of the debate, how do you guys feel about your position?
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Look, I think that this is going to be quickly, I hope, in the coming months, a two-horse race
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between two America First candidates who respect each other.
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I think everybody else is really parroting slogans that they memorized in 1980, handed
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to them by their super PACs in a binder, and really reading them as effectively just vehicles,
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vessels for what the super PAC puppet masters want them to say.
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I trust our base to be smart enough to sort that out.
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And then I think we can have an earnest decision about how we take our America First agenda
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The number of people who had a conniption, because I said it on stage last week, that
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Donald Trump was the best president we've had in the 21st century.
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It's amazing that that sent people into tailspin saying that, oh, are you a Trump proxy running?
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Do you have some sort of, it's the new collusion hoax they're making up now.
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The fact is, that should be the easiest question we've answered with George Bush and Joe Biden
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Of course, Donald Trump was a better president.
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But I think it's going to be two horses, America First candidates, and then we're able
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Well, if you remember, these are the same people, by the way.
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And I actually pushed back on that when they said that you are a Trump plant, because it's
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That's a conspiracy theory all the way back from 2015 when Trump ran, because I know you'll
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remember this, that when Trump first ran, he was allegedly a Hillary Clinton plant.
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So that actually means that you are working for Trump.
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And through that of Trump being a plant, you are also actually working for Hillary Clinton.
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But the question is, how do we take our America First agenda forward?
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Because we don't have 20 years left as a country.
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We don't have time to mess around with the nonsense.
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I think it comes down to me and Trump, two good candidates.
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And I think that'll be the choice that the people face before long.
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Can I get you a little bit in the next segment?
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Vivek Ramaswamy, he's given us some extra time.
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We really appreciate it, folks, because this is what it takes.
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You got to answer the hard questions if you want to make it to the big show.
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We're not afraid to ask the questions to the candidates.
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And by the way, it's open to anyone who wants to come on, any candidate who's running either
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party, more than welcome to come on, give you the same dream.
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These are influencers, and they're friends of mine.
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We're doing a whirlwind interview with Vivek Ramaswamy coming in that a lot of people said
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he was the top choice of people to say they won the debate.
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But one question that I don't hear brought up with you a lot is regarding the ATF.
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And now I know you've said you've talked about abolishing a lot of these agencies.
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But when it comes down to it, gun control is going to be put forward by the Democrats in
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And many Republicans in some cases go along with it.
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So the latest that we've heard, and this is coming on the backs of the pistol braces and
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other bans, bump stock ban, now we're being told that the Biden administration is looking
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at an ATF rule rather than legislation to go after what they claim is the gun show loophole.
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I'm against all of these infringements around the edges because I'm a Second Amendment
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You can check out my speech at the NRA where I went through the history.
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And part of the point is when the government is armed, the people need to be able to arm
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themselves at least to a commensurate capacity, right?
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Now it's not muskets anymore that the government still has.
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And so I think that the reason we have a Second Amendment, we got to remember, is it's not just
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It's not just to go hunting or sport shooting or clay shooting.
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No, it's because it's the amendment that puts the teeth into all of the other ones.
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Iran, China, they offer the same freedoms that we do in our Bill of Rights.
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The one thing they don't have is a Second Amendment.
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And so I think we have to remember that in the present moment.
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But the reason for that is we have a mental health epidemic.
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And so, Jack, I think the conversation we need to have, the harder politically incorrect
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conversation is instead of removing guns from law-abiding citizens or restraining law-abiding
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citizens from being able to use their guns in lawful ways, we should be focused on removing
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psychiatrically ill, dangerous people from their communities.
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Have a conversation about involuntary commitment again in this country, not just loading people
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up with pharmaceuticals, but even faith-based approaches and other approaches that we can
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actually bring back psychiatric institutions, non-pharmaceutical psychiatric care that addresses
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the mental health epidemic in this country, that removes violent, psychiatrically ill people
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I think that that's a long overdue conversation because it's the same period that we saw the
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shuttering of that type of mental health institution that we've seen the recent spike in violent
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That's the right way to address violent crime, not to do this virtue-signaling nonsense that
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Like in Tennessee, the guy won't release the Nashville Transgender Shooter Manifesto, but
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has the gall to call a special session to restrain the rights of law-abiding citizens using their
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I don't care if it's the Republicans or Democrats.
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And that's why I'm an absolutist for the Constitution, including the Second Amendment.
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By the way, it occurs to me, one of the questions that we got in, and thank you, on this was at
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the debate, there was a moment when people were talking about January 6th, people were talking
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about the Trump indictments, Trump's mugshot comes out a couple days after the debate,
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but there was a moment when the individual next to you, Governor DeSantis, was asked,
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and this was one of those raise-the-hand questions about pardoning him.
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He looked around side to side, later tried to walk it back, saying, oh, well, I thought
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we weren't going to do the raise-the-hand questions.
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What was going through your mind at that moment when you realized he was looking around?
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I don't know if I showed that visibly or not, because that's what's been happening this
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You have a lot of establishment politicians that look to me for permission to say the
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Once I've said them, then they can be a fast follower.
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Sometimes I say things, and then the super puppet masters will come on me like a ton of
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bricks, and the other candidates will say, oh, no, no, no, we can't say that thing that
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But sometimes I'll say something, and they realize I didn't get punished by the establishment
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for that as much, and then they'll realize that they can tiptoe behind me.
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So that's what's been happening in this entire race for the last few months.
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We saw a snippet of that in visual form on the debate stage.
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But, Jack, I could care less about bashing the other candidates.
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I think most of them are irrelevant, will soon be irrelevant in the presidential race.
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Look, I think Governor DeSantis is an excellent governor.
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I like some of what he said about the border policy.
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I respect many of these other people to do narrow things we're going to need them to
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But when it comes to the next president of the United States, you need somebody who's
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bold, who's fearless, who will actually stand for the principles of this country, not incremental
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I stand for revolution, and I think that's the choice we face in this primary.
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I stand for the American Revolution, reviving those 1776 principles.
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And that's a little different than establishment Republicans and why I'm not a party man.
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The reason I don't even have that much affinity to the traditional Republican Party is they're
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not that different than Joe Biden or Liz Cheney or anybody else when it comes to some of the
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most important foreign policy questions of our time.
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I'm an independent patriot who speaks the truth, and I'm just using the Republican Party as a
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vehicle, frankly, to be honest about it, to advance a pro-American agenda.
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If I could follow up on that one, we saw yesterday a Gen Sixer, a nonviolent Gen Sixer,
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who was sentenced to 17 years in federal jail, federal prison, for what they claim is a
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They're talking about other ones, looking at 33 years, 30-plus years.
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And I'm not going to do the gotcha thing of asking you about individual cases, but would
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Nonviolent January 6th defendants will absolutely get a pardon, and they will get a pardon not
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Day one, January 20th, 2025, they get that pardon.
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And also any protester who had due process rights denied, like Brady rule violations or
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any other constitutional violations, video footage or whatnot that they didn't have access
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Regardless of whether you're on the left or the right, you're entitled to due process in
00:25:19.940
And that's part of a broader list of pardons that I've committed to on day one, Jack.
00:25:26.860
I don't want to do this in the 11th hour as I'm leaving office.
00:25:29.800
No, I want to have the spine to face accountability for my actions.
00:25:34.140
And these are actions that I will stand by on day one.
00:25:39.240
Do you believe that there were people on January 6th, not, you know, this question about federal
00:25:44.760
agents, but do you think that there were people that participated in January 6th that were actually
00:25:51.240
Do you think that charge was applicable in this case?
00:25:54.520
Do you think it was appropriate to bring such a charge?
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So I don't like when prosecutors bring vague charges that they can really turn into whatever
00:26:04.520
Take what's actually even you want to talk about an equivalent charge, the documents case
00:26:10.620
They're using kind of a species of the Sedition Act from 1918.
00:26:17.800
If you want to charge a crime, then actually charge the actual crime.
00:26:21.480
If somebody was violent and somebody hurt somebody else, great.
00:26:27.480
If somebody actually violated a law and here's what they did and here's the people who were
00:26:31.160
hurt, that's the way we should be prosecuting crime in this country, but not these creative
00:26:35.980
uses of RICO statutes or whatever to be able to say that here's the man and then I'm going
00:26:42.020
And I think that's what's happening too much of in this country, because if you're Antifa
00:26:44.720
or BLM, they don't come up with these creative legal theories that you invented the halls
00:26:49.820
of legal academia to think about how you could charge somebody.
00:26:52.840
No, in fact, you have there, you have plain as day violence that isn't being charged.
00:26:56.620
So I want to restore one standard of the rule of law, Jack.
00:27:02.400
I'm not going to preordain what the results of individual cases are.
00:27:05.100
I will never be like Biden, never be like what the corrupt DOJ is today.
00:27:11.300
One standard of the rule of law applied equally to all Americans, regardless of skin color,
00:27:18.380
If that's what we need to restore in this country and the one unique power that a president
00:27:22.660
does have, usually you can't change the past, but there's one exception, the presidential
00:27:27.880
And in that case, I will use it to correct for past mistakes, whether it's peaceful J6
00:27:32.500
protesters, whether it's Donald Trump, whether it's Julian Assange, whether it's Douglas Mackey,
00:27:38.900
We've gone down and we have a list of day one pardons and I'm going to do it on day one to
00:27:42.980
make a statement that I'm not afraid to hide from the criticism that I'll get for doing
00:27:52.680
I do think we're in a cold civil war in this country, cultural civil war, but I don't want
00:27:57.840
And I think this is where I'm different than some of the other even healthy voices in our
00:28:02.440
I want to stand for truth, but I want to do it towards reuniting our country.
00:28:13.260
I think we can reach young people, Jack, and bring them along.
00:28:15.600
I think I'm the best position in this race to do that.
00:28:18.340
That's what it's going to take to reunite this country.
00:28:20.080
But it's got to be founded in the rule of law, equal justice for every American.
00:28:25.600
And Douglas Mackey absolutely deserves a pardon.
00:28:27.500
I know you have to run, but we had a quick question for you.
00:28:29.840
And actually, just a remark, if you could, our producers, can we show can we show the graphic,
00:28:36.320
So we've found our crack team of researchers have discovered that apparently you and Pete
00:28:43.500
Buttigieg were grown in a lab somewhere together at Harvard.
00:28:47.940
And this is an initial testing phase that was rolled out about 20 years ago.
00:28:53.800
Can you comment on these claims in any way, sir?
00:28:56.360
Well, I think Chris Christie also believes that I'm chat GPT.
00:29:01.320
So I think as long as we get the story straight about whether I'm chat GPT or grown in a lab,
00:29:05.440
I'll be able to respond to the claim accurately.
00:29:11.920
And we're very different people in a lot of different ways.
00:29:14.740
But I would love for him to get his senses back.
00:29:17.840
He didn't seem as ridiculous back in college as he's acting today.
00:29:20.560
But the fact of the matter is, you know, we were all created in some lab, but I was probably
00:29:26.940
You know, funny enough, born in this country, a man and a woman.
00:29:32.700
No, I don't usually I don't usually bring this up a lot.
00:29:35.460
But Buttigieg and I were both Navy intel officers at the same time.
00:29:39.720
And I'm pretty sure we attended some of the same conferences.
00:29:42.420
So that's our that's our six degrees of Kevin Bacon with me and you.
00:29:46.260
Vivek Ramaswamy, thank you very much for taking the time.
00:29:51.080
Where can people go to follow you and get more information about the campaign?
00:29:57.700
We've also put up a page that debunks a lot of the mythology that's out there, but it also
00:30:01.620
stands for, more importantly, the core principles of the campaign.
00:30:10.940
I've really got to say that of all the things that Vivek brought up on that on that segment
00:30:15.640
right there, the fact that he brought up Douglas Mackey without me even mentioning it.
00:30:20.600
This is a name that you're not hearing from a lot of Republican politicians.
00:30:24.840
This is the guy who was convicted in a federal crime for free speech over a meme.
00:30:32.200
You want to talk about and, you know, there's hashtag ban the ADL is trending on Twitter right
00:30:37.240
You want to talk about freedom of speech in this country.
00:30:40.080
You want to talk about being thrown into jail, potentially, for something that you post
00:30:46.160
on Twitter, then you must push back against what is being done to Douglas Mackey.
00:30:51.700
It doesn't mean you have to say you condone everything he's ever said and done.
00:30:55.840
It means you support the standard of freedom of speech.
00:31:01.900
I'm going to get his take on the interview that we just did with Vivek Ramaswamy.
00:31:12.040
I'm trying to listen to the new human events with Jack Posobiec.
00:31:18.140
All right, Jack Posobiec back live, Washington, D.C., human events.
00:31:21.220
We've got Richard Barris, the People's Pundit, joins us now.
00:31:25.180
Rich, so I know you were watching in the – we didn't have you in the cone of silence during
00:31:30.740
that, you were able to actually hear and smell and taste and see everything that was going
00:31:36.760
on as a matter of – we have a very sophisticated system here at Human Events and able to do
00:31:42.260
What is your take on Vivek's – not so much the interview itself, but his candidacy in
00:31:48.640
I mean, I think it's been completely out of left field.
00:31:54.200
He hits the notes, bringing up things like Douglas Mackey, bringing up stuff that you just
00:32:02.400
Even Trump, to some extent, doesn't go that level of the details all the time, and sometimes
00:32:11.960
Why is it that this guy has been able to do what he's doing compared to – look, you've
00:32:15.720
got a U.N. ambassador, you've got governors, you've got a Secretary of State who bowed out.
00:32:23.300
How has this guy been able to light the polls on fire, and then are you seeing movement since
00:32:33.400
I would say this first, you know, with the detail level – and I do this to people on
00:32:37.440
my show, and, you know, Laura has to pull me back up, say, don't take too deep of a dive.
00:32:42.940
So, you know, I guess some of that is appreciated among some people, and some of it is like Trump
00:32:51.320
has a unique ability to connect, like, you know, on surface level, and he touches deep
00:32:56.900
with what he's saying, even though it's on the surface.
00:32:59.760
You know, but I'm not surprised at this, because probably three, four months ago, I said
00:33:04.860
he's running a campaign that, you know, a lot of people who wanted to support DeSantis
00:33:13.620
And Vivek also has a very good way of, you know, you just brought up that specific comment.
00:33:20.120
He's got a great way of knowing what people want to hear and using his own examples and
00:33:27.280
issues to get them to talk about, you know, what he wants to talk about.
00:33:35.240
But I really think this comes down to his strategy was not to make an enemy out of the majority
00:33:40.640
of the damn party, like DeSantis and others did.
00:33:44.640
Nikki Haley, at least, though, you can say Nikki is Nikki, and she's not pretending to
00:33:55.340
Ron DeSantis was supposed to be the Trump without the Trump, right?
00:33:58.400
He was supposed to be the Trump without the whatever, you know, baggage.
00:34:01.940
Well, he's Trump without the Trump voters at this point.
00:34:05.900
That's all he is, because it really became clear to many voters.
00:34:11.900
Like, you know, I mean, what exactly were you trying to sell there?
00:34:16.000
And then Vivek had been waiting in the winds, you know, and is he rising after the debate?
00:34:20.920
There is no doubt there seems to be some movement for Nikki Haley, too, because I think that some
00:34:25.960
of the never-Trump vote that was with DeSantis, I'm going to bump down over to her, the rest
00:34:31.240
of the DeSantis people that left went to Trump and went to Vivek.
00:34:34.980
And California and in Texas, we have Vivek in second, and DeSantis is in third.
00:34:40.120
Nationally, Vivek would have taken second place in our poll if we would have continued
00:34:48.940
What kept DeSantis in the lead is his strength with conservatives and self-identified Republicans
00:34:57.960
Right now, most of his support is coming from the suburbs and more moderate voters and younger
00:35:04.840
I mean, if he's trying to set something up for the future, because of what he's done
00:35:08.740
essentially is he's, he's pretty much positioned himself to where DeSantis wanted to be these
00:35:18.640
This was specifically who DeSantis and all just as Jeff Rowe and everyone said, we're going
00:35:25.220
What you're saying is this guy's come in and actually scooped it up before he could get
00:35:29.800
Vivek is actually performing better in the suburbs and among moderate Republicans.
00:35:39.080
And I would say we did do Florida, which I sent to you.
00:35:43.280
Uh, he isn't third in Florida, which doesn't surprise me at all.
00:35:46.900
Uh, you know, it is DeSantis is still home state.
00:35:49.980
Trump is absolutely dominating, but, uh, you know, for Vivek to get 7% and Nikki Haley,
00:35:56.900
who had some movement coming around for, um, yeah, I mean, you can see the map there.
00:36:01.940
Uh, the big change folks is the lack of blue now in the Orlando area, the Atlantic coast
00:36:08.420
region, the lack of blue in the Northeast by Jacksonville.
00:36:14.800
So what you see, you're saying what we're seeing on your, your chart is that DeSantis is
00:36:28.500
The panhandle in the North central region of Florida was kind of close.
00:36:32.480
Now he's relegated to Gadsden and Leon where the Capitol is, uh, which is more obviously,
00:36:38.060
uh, you know, is going to be more, um, liberal of Republicans, but also he has loyalties, you
00:36:43.720
know, as the governor, I imagine that's probably part of what is going on here.
00:36:49.840
Donald Trump is ahead of DeSantis in his own state, 56.8 to 18.1.
00:36:56.300
That is up from last month when Trump was leading 52.6 to 32.8 or some ballpark.
00:37:04.840
So it was a, you know, a 20 point lead roughly for Trump.
00:37:08.180
But now, I mean, Jack, 57 to 18, I mean, that's huge.
00:37:17.220
I mean, I don't know what even to say at this point.
00:37:20.120
Um, white voters were the main big shift this month.
00:37:23.480
Last month, they were, um, roughly the overall, the margin was roughly the same among white
00:37:30.640
This month, white voters went nearly to 60% for Donald Trump and DeSantis fell to 20, a
00:37:36.420
little over 20, uh, and then Hispanics who Trump was always winning.
00:37:48.240
This is, I thought it was a blowout last month.
00:37:51.100
Do we have that trend line we can throw up that you sent us over?
00:37:54.860
If we could show the trend, that would be, I mean, look at it, look at that widening.
00:38:02.100
Uh, so what you're saying, what you're seeing on this and Craig from wrong, and I'm, I'm,
00:38:06.620
I'm not even looking at it zoomed in, but this looks as though, uh, that's a crater.
00:38:15.940
That's actually the biggest crater I think I've ever seen in presidential politics.
00:38:20.660
I'm sure there's some people on, you know, that work at NASA that look at the moon and are,
00:38:26.540
You know, when I was pulling it, I said to, uh, you know, I was talking to Sean Parnell.
00:38:30.520
I said, you know, Neil Armstrong hasn't seen craters that big.
00:38:36.120
And I had said as a quib, but it's, it's, it's true.
00:38:38.840
You know, you have a lot of, uh, DeSantis influencers on social media openly, uh, celebrating
00:38:45.780
And I, I looked at this and I said, soon DeSantis supporters are going to be, uh, you know,
00:38:51.800
hoping that they charge Donald Trump with murder because he's currently killing Ron DeSantis
00:38:56.480
I mean, this is, is there, is there a, is there a specific date?
00:39:00.680
Is there a specific moment that corresponds with that, that you found?
00:39:08.300
It was big at the very start of when we entered the field for this month, which was the end of
00:39:16.700
And we were still looking at, you know, a solid lead for Donald Trump, but 20 points.
00:39:21.140
So somewhere between June and late August, this race blew wide open.
00:39:28.460
And I will say this interesting, very interesting to me, especially in Florida, Ron DeSantis,
00:39:34.520
his best, um, interview mode was phone interviews, particularly live or peer to peer.
00:39:41.980
Uh, that was, you know, we would overperform there and Trump would underperform, even though
00:39:47.160
Trump was still ahead, it was always really, you know, much closer than in some of the
00:39:52.160
other modes this, uh, this month, it actually ended, uh, with Trump in the sixties and DeSantis
00:39:59.940
So with some of the other modes that, um, DeSantis performed better in, that tells me
00:40:07.660
Older voters and voters who have more at, you know, are more credentialed.
00:40:11.860
So once upon a time, he was doing much better with four-year college degrees.
00:40:15.740
He was doing much better with postgrads in Florida, which some of those people are actually
00:40:25.380
They love to tell you not only what they think, but why everybody else is wrong.
00:40:32.340
And this time it was just a totally different story.
00:40:42.980
Anyone else is us, uh, you know, that basically this, you have to remember Florida Republicans
00:40:53.600
I would say, I think that's very fair to say, and they are going to support him, you
00:40:59.360
know, during this time and they don't understand.
00:41:05.260
He has risked his credibility with not only, you know, his own party across the country.
00:41:14.300
And they just don't understand why, you know, he's allowing this to happen.
00:41:18.320
They feel his presence in this race is making it easier for Trump's enemies to go after him.
00:41:29.220
Final segment, Richard Barris, people's fun at breaking down shocking numbers.
00:41:37.880
I'm always listening to human events with Jack Posobiec.
00:41:43.260
All right, Jack Posobiec back here live with Richard Barris.
00:41:55.340
You're breaking down for us these Florida numbers.
00:41:57.900
You also polled Florida as pertains to the general.
00:42:08.060
So we have been studying what we're calling we coined and others are using it now, which is great.
00:42:13.380
You know, we're calling it the Trump or bust vote.
00:42:15.720
These are voters we know very clearly only exist when Donald Trump is on the ballot.
00:42:22.280
And we want to know what because what we have seen is a lot of those are Obama Trump voters.
00:42:28.420
But did this really start to cut now into Republicans?
00:42:31.720
And what this is showing you right here, and this is with Cornel West on the ballot.
00:42:36.700
But basically, when we ask Trump's primary vote, what would you do if he's not the nominee?
00:42:45.160
And then you have another almost 30, Jack, who say that they would write his name in the ballot.
00:42:49.380
And we'll test that theory when we ask about DeSantis versus Biden.
00:42:53.480
Let me just say about Trump's lead, which is 45 or it's 46, actually, with West in the race.
00:43:01.060
Let me just say that this is the biggest lead in my entire career I have ever polled in the state of Florida at the presidential level.
00:43:07.200
Normally, it's very close, two, maybe four points.
00:43:11.240
Rick Scott was the biggest lead when he was running in the Senate.
00:43:16.400
Nobody polls like this in Florida in our polling for president.
00:43:22.820
And what that is from is that 7% who say they would write in somebody, 95% of them, between 93 and 95, depending on whether West is in or not, are writing in Donald Trump.
00:43:40.620
They are making it very clear that they are going to write in Donald Trump.
00:43:44.320
This is his – so the Trump or boss vote is not only present but a serious problem for Republicans, even in Donald Trump – even in Ron DeSantis' home state.
00:43:57.360
And you still have 7% of the vote missing from the electorate because they're not going to vote for him.
00:44:03.620
They're going to vote for DeSantis, and it makes it a statistically even race when you peg DeSantis against Biden.
00:44:10.360
By the way, two months ago that was not the case.
00:44:12.300
Which, by the way, what you're tracking, what you're also – this corresponds to something that Rush Limbaugh used to talk all about during 2008 and 2012.
00:44:22.480
Nobody ever polled this before because we didn't really have, like, a Trump to poll it with.
00:44:30.320
That people – conservatives like me who decided that they didn't want to vote for McCain and they didn't want to vote for Romney, so they just didn't vote.
00:44:39.720
That's essentially what you're voting – what you're checking here.
00:44:43.120
Whether they would write in Trump or not, it's a hypothetical question.
00:44:46.300
But the real question is you're actually previewing for us what that role of the conservative who stays home would play if for any reason – because the RNC right now, there's theories and chicanery afoot about a potential contested convention.
00:45:04.880
And you saw even – I believe it was Asa Hutchinson who set up at the debate something about RNC rules preventing Trump from being nominated if he's been convicted of something, which I'm not going to let go of that because it does not – I do not put it past these people to try to actually pull something like that on the floor.
00:45:26.000
What you're basically outlining is you do something like that, you're going to lose the election.
00:45:30.840
I think, too, and I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, you're not just going to lose the election.
00:45:37.200
You stand a very, very likely chance of losing your party.
00:45:41.720
In 1992, the last time they screwed over voters like this, Ross Perot, it would be the end of the Republican Party.
00:45:51.460
They would be eviscerated, and the very next morning on cable news and network news, all you would hear from pundits is, is this the end of the Republican Party?
00:46:00.340
And the base would be furious, and they would make something else.
00:46:06.500
I am telling you, too, there's another element.
00:46:08.760
If you have the Republicans, that this is absolutely that Rush Limbaugh voter.
00:46:12.860
And then there's another element, the I voted maybe for Obama in 08.
00:46:17.400
Then I didn't vote for Mitt Romney because, you know, the hell with him.
00:46:26.380
And then, Jack, there's new voters, and many of them we highlighted in the press release.
00:46:31.760
Every single independent Hispanic who said they would write someone in wrote in Donald Trump.
00:46:41.380
Not one to someone else, to some obscure candidate.
00:46:49.960
If you ignore that, you're an idiot, and you deserve to lose your party.
00:46:54.300
You know, New Hampshire, look at what they tried.
00:46:57.900
This is national suicide for the Republican Party.
00:47:05.460
And I think the voters are still going to see some degree stay home if he was to lose fair and square.
00:47:10.640
But we're at a point now where no one's ever going to view it fair and square.
00:47:16.940
All in their minds, a way to rig yet another election against him, and another way, yet again, to rig a system, a society, against them.
00:47:33.700
That being said, you put Trump on the ballot, Trump gets in there, and we did just see, by the way, a judge down in Florida blocked one of these lawsuits to try to strip Trump from the ballot.
00:47:54.680
All things considered equal at this point, who wins the race between Trump, Cornell West, and Joe Biden?
00:48:01.920
So Trump actually jumps up a point with Cornell West.
00:48:06.680
He goes from 45 to 46, and Biden is at 36.8, so he loses a tenth of a percentage point.
00:48:13.680
It's a little bit weird how that works, but Trump actually gains, but not because of Biden's loss.
00:48:19.680
And I think it's noteworthy that you have DeSantis and Biden tied statistically at 38, 37.8 for Biden, 37.5 for DeSantis.
00:48:29.700
With West, it goes from that to 37.3 up, so they're both tied there.
00:48:37.540
We heard from people, whether it was West or without West in the race, I voted for Ron DeSantis even in the midterm.
00:48:51.280
I tried explaining to people, gubernatorial elections are not any kind of an indication of how a candidate or a party will fare at the presidential election in a specific state, to include Florida.
00:49:04.940
Bush won re-election overwhelmingly, and yet his own brother narrowly won the state.
00:49:18.700
Best place, Jack, is locals, peoplespundent.locals.com.
00:49:24.640
They always get the polling first before it even goes on Big Data Poll.
00:49:30.700
Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay short.