Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 567： WILL UKRAINE FORCE A GOV’T SHUTDOWN IN THE US, WILL JULIAN ASSANGE BE PARDONED？

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00:00:30.000 We are in a fifth generational conflict.

00:00:39.540 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:46.180 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:49.100 Deliver us from evil.

00:00:50.760 They're going to try to tie Ukraine aid to keeping the government open.

00:00:53.860 Then they're going to say, oh no, it's your fault.

00:00:55.160 It's their fault if they want to keep the government open by keeping another government open.

00:01:00.260 How many people illegally coming into the United States is enough for President Biden's initiative?

00:01:05.460 Enough for what?

00:01:06.340 5.9 million people have been encountered illegally.

00:01:09.780 I know the numbers, but enough for what?

00:01:12.180 Enough just to stop the flood.

00:01:14.200 As I mentioned, this is a problem that's been around for some time now, for decades.

00:01:18.620 Together with our partners in Ukraine, we have provided humanitarian aid as well as tens of millions of people with food, clean water, and so much more.

00:01:30.980 War is inherently unpredictable, of course.

00:01:33.160 So I can't look you in the eye, and I certainly can't look them in the eye and predict exactly what's going to happen on exactly what timetable.

00:01:39.660 And therefore, we need to have a degree of flexibility.

00:01:42.860 I'm not going to stand here and give a precise figure.

00:01:45.040 What I will tell you is that we have supplied to the Congress every dollar that has been obligated.

00:01:49.340 The United Auto Workers strike against General Motors, Ford, and Stellantis has entered its third day.

00:01:55.700 It's the first time members have struck all three unionized U.S. automakers at the same time.

00:02:01.440 New Jersey Democratic Senator Bob Menendez and his wife have been indicted on corruption-related charges.

00:02:07.760 Menendez is the powerful chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

00:02:12.600 He and his wife are accused of accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes in exchange for the Democratic Senator's influence.

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00:02:34.140 Now, today is September 22nd, 2023, Anno Domini.

00:02:39.520 Folks, look what's going on around us here in Washington, D.C.

00:02:44.880 Zelensky's in town.

00:02:46.300 He's having a great time.

00:02:47.780 We just found out that we're going to be giving him long-range ballistic missiles.

00:02:51.580 That's wonderful.

00:02:52.520 I wonder what they're going to use those for, starting World War III.

00:02:55.720 Perhaps we'll find out.

00:02:57.460 Next, we find out that Zelensky has also asked Marina Abramovich to be an ambassador for Ukraine.

00:03:07.660 That he wants her specifically to help build schools in Ukraine.

00:03:14.160 I wonder if she's going to be teaching, I don't know, maybe a cooking class for the children.

00:03:19.940 You guys know anything about Marina Abramovich?

00:03:21.780 We all know how much she loves her cooking.

00:03:24.800 Very spirited.

00:03:25.880 And then, of course, we have the case of Bob Menendez.

00:03:29.960 And I've seen a lot of people really going in on this Bob Menendez story saying,

00:03:35.320 Ah, look at these Democrats. 0.91

00:03:36.920 That's sort of the conservative media response today. 0.98

00:03:38.920 These crooked Democrats.

00:03:40.380 They're doing the same thing that Hunter and Joe, etc. 0.56

00:03:44.060 But I have a potentially different take.

00:03:48.240 Why go after Bob Menendez?

00:03:50.040 Are we suddenly going to be on the side of the DOJ?

00:03:54.920 The Southern District of New York, SDNY?

00:03:58.060 Are we going to just suddenly trust them?

00:04:00.200 They said, and I agree, the evidence of corruption is very high.

00:04:03.260 But do you really think that Bob Menendez is the only corrupt politician in Washington right now?

00:04:08.080 No.

00:04:09.120 There's a reason they're targeting Bob Menendez right now.

00:04:12.100 There's a reason they're going after him.

00:04:13.480 And I'll tell you why.

00:04:14.900 It's because Bob Menendez has been a thorn in the side of the Democrats when it comes to their Iran policy for years.

00:04:22.760 Bob Menendez recently spoke out against the $6 billion deal that Joe Biden conducted with Iran to get the hostages back.

00:04:31.440 Bob Menendez also was against the Iran deal in the first iteration under Barack Obama.

00:04:37.680 That's why, guess who is out there ringing the bell on all of this right now?

00:04:42.040 Ben Rhodes.

00:04:43.060 Oh, Ben Rhodes.

00:04:44.680 And it's interesting that right when Menendez was against the first Iran deal, that's when his first corruption charges came up.

00:04:53.720 Do you get how it works, folks?

00:04:55.140 Of course, this regime that we are living under, they've decided that when someone becomes too much of a problem for them, regardless of the issue, Bob Menendez is still liberal.

00:05:04.700 Don't get me wrong.

00:05:05.660 Still liberal, probably did all that stuff.

00:05:07.520 But do you really think he's the only one in D.C. who's doing it?

00:05:10.480 No.

00:05:11.520 They don't want him on the Foreign Relations Committee as a Democrat saying what he's saying the same way that they don't want Russell Brand out there saying what he's saying, Elon Musk, Donald Trump.

00:05:22.180 And we're going to have a conversation later in the show about someone that the regime has moved heaven and earth to silence.

00:05:30.040 And his name is Julian Assange.

00:05:32.440 And we've got a very special guest here with us today that will come up later in the show to talk about it.

00:05:37.180 Coming up in the next segment, very excited to announce that we do have Ohio Senator J.D. Vance will be joining the program.

00:05:45.120 J.D. Vance is one of the only senators in America, politicians in America, who actually says what he means and means what he says.

00:05:53.540 He puts the American people first.

00:05:56.380 And he has been swinging on this Ukraine funding and specifically the issue of this Sarah Ashton Cirillo, we call her Big Mike, who seems to have lost their job as the spokes preacher for Ukraine.

00:06:12.400 We've got a lot of show coming up today, so stay tuned.

00:06:15.900 Human Events Daily will return in just a second.

00:06:42.400 All right, Jack Posobiec back here at Live Human Events Daily, Washington, D.C.

00:06:57.800 Very excited to bring on our next guest.

00:07:00.720 Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio joins us.

00:07:03.580 J.D., thanks so much for joining us.

00:07:06.220 How are you?

00:07:07.540 Well, I'm doing great.

00:07:08.280 So walk us through the situation that you found yourself in this week.

00:07:13.080 You know, this individual from Ukraine suddenly is out there putting people, myself included, on hit lists, saying they're going to be tracked down. 1.00

00:07:22.260 At the same time that the president of Ukraine, Zelensky, is in D.C., demanding billions and billions of dollars, all at the same time that you guys are currently locked in a budget fight right now.

00:07:36.420 What is it like to be in the middle of all that?

00:07:40.220 Well, it's pretty wild, man.

00:07:41.840 So if you go back a little bit.

00:07:43.320 So last week, this person, it's a transgender person who is a spokesman for the Ukrainian military, publishes a video, basically says, if you engage in, quote, Russian propaganda, you will be hunted down.

00:07:55.560 Well, that kind of caught my eye because I've been accused of Russian propaganda.

00:07:59.580 I know you have, too.

00:08:00.440 Pretty much anybody who questions the party line on Ukraine has been accused of Russian propaganda.

00:08:05.720 So I naturally ask the question, are you going to kill me and a bunch of my friends because we don't think the United States should drop another 25 billion into Ukraine? 0.80

00:08:14.080 That led to a sort of a social media firestorm where eventually, I guess, this person stepped down from the post as Ukrainian spokesperson.

00:08:22.600 And as you said, at the very same time this is all happening, Zelensky comes to the Senate yesterday and is demanding another 25 billion dollars.

00:08:31.680 And I think, Jack, if you sort of set this against the backdrop of the government shutdown fight, this guy is basically coming and saying, if you don't give me my 25 billion dollars, I'm going to shut down your government.

00:08:44.680 That's exactly what he's doing, because Chuck Schumer will not fund the government unless it includes money for Ukraine.

00:08:51.260 So the Democrats are really setting up a fight here where do we continue to pay our Border Patrol agents or do we pay the 25 billion dollars to Ukraine?

00:09:01.100 It's crazy to me that they've gotten themselves into this political place.

00:09:05.120 But of course they have.

00:09:05.840 And you put out a statement earlier, and I'm not going to ask you to reveal anything that you learned in your classified briefing, other than the fact that you put out basically an assessment of that briefing and back briefed your constituents and really the whole world as to saying that what they're asking for in terms of this, because, OK, we have a new we have a new chief of the joint staff over at the Pentagon.

00:09:26.020 We've got, you know, hopefully new planners. We're looking at the counteroffensive. Is there actually a plan in place? Do they have a set objectives and goals where they're going to be in a month, six months?

00:09:38.080 Those kind of things that you would normally see when we're being asked to essentially underwrite another country's war.

00:09:45.280 No, they don't, Jack. And before I give you some details there, of course, without revealing classified information, let me just say that these briefings are very often a farce.

00:09:53.100 So you sit down with these guys and you get two hours for a briefing and 50 minutes is taken up by them giving introductory remarks of repeating the same slogans.

00:10:03.480 You could live stream that 50 minutes to Russia and China. It wouldn't matter because there's no real classified information.

00:10:11.360 There's nothing really interesting coming out of it. Then the Q&A starts.

00:10:15.200 And that is sometimes interesting because some of the senators have interesting questions.

00:10:18.560 And what became very obvious, Jack, is number one, our government does not believe that there will be a major breakthrough.

00:10:26.720 You can see this in The New York Times. You can read this anywhere.

00:10:29.340 They do not think there's going to be a major breakthrough in this conflict.

00:10:32.400 So what they're really asking is for an indefinite amount of funding for an unlimited amount of time. 0.77

00:10:38.800 And that is ridiculous. We cannot sanction this.

00:10:42.320 You know, Jack, I've been skeptical of this from the very beginning.

00:10:44.700 I was one of the few who said we should not be funding the war from the very beginning.

00:10:48.780 But whatever. A year and a half ago doesn't matter.

00:10:51.880 The fact that we're talking about funding this war indefinitely is insane.

00:10:58.420 It's going nowhere except possibly escalation.

00:11:01.400 You know what we don't talk enough about, Jack?

00:11:03.980 We're causing a worldwide spike in food prices, especially in Africa, because Africa gets so much of its food from Ukraine. 0.61

00:11:11.240 What happens when 1.5 billion starving Africans decide they're going to start engaging in mass migration into Europe and to Asia?

00:11:21.060 That's another worldwide refugee crisis on the back of the 2015 Syrian refugee crisis.

00:11:27.400 Are Europe and Asia prepared for that? Is the world prepared for that? 1.00

00:11:31.320 The knock-on effects of continuing this war indefinitely, it's going to lead to mass starvation, refugee crisis, and, God forbid, nuclear war. 0.66

00:11:41.080 We've got to stop, and there's no end in sight.

00:11:43.200 Our government is not telling us the very basic issue, Jack.

00:11:47.420 The government is not telling us how long is this going to go on for, what are we trying to accomplish, and how much money does it take to accomplish it?

00:11:54.580 Until they give us those answers, no senator should vote for another dime to Ukraine.

00:11:58.440 Well, and I should also ask, you know, we did have breaking news, I guess, earlier this morning, that even though Biden had said in the past that we would not be providing long-range ballistic missiles to Ukraine,

00:12:11.840 that it's now essentially come out as sort of the deliverable for Zelensky's visit, that, and NBC News has a story that an agreement has been made where a small number of ATACOM's long-range ballistic missiles are going to be transferred from the United States to Ukraine.

00:12:28.080 I'd love to get your response on that.

00:12:30.360 Yeah, so I'm still digesting it, Jack.

00:12:32.020 I just first heard this news about an hour ago, but my initial reaction is it is crazy.

00:12:37.100 When does this stop, Jack?

00:12:38.900 We have a war that is effectively in a quagmire between the Russians and Ukrainians.

00:12:44.220 The killing is nonstop.

00:12:45.740 We're talking about hundreds of thousands of just military dead, to say nothing of the fact that we have millions of civilians on top of that affected by it.

00:12:55.260 When are we going to stop this thing?

00:12:58.340 Okay, so we give them long-range ballistic missiles.

00:13:01.100 That doesn't change the balance of the conflict.

00:13:03.840 What do we give them next?

00:13:04.920 At what point do you have U.S. senators recommending that we give them tactical nuclear weapons?

00:13:09.780 I fear that we're actually not far from that point.

00:13:11.640 Of course, it would be psychotic, but so much of what we've done up to this point has been equally psychotic.

00:13:16.740 Well, that's exactly right, because last night, for example, there was this attack.

00:13:20.740 It looked like a strike on the Russian Baltic naval fleet there in Sevastopol, which, of course, is in Crimea.

00:13:27.320 So much of the conflict, even going back to the Maidan, is centered around that naval base really being the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet for the Russians and has been for a very, very long time.

00:13:38.440 This attack apparently was conducted using the Storm Shadow cruise missiles and out of the U.K.

00:13:48.160 So the real question, I suppose, then becomes, how do the Russians respond if Atakum's missiles are being used not directly on the battlefield,

00:13:58.540 but going and hitting targets within Russian-held territory like Crimea or even within Russia proper?

00:14:04.140 Well, that's the question, right, Jack?

00:14:08.440 Do they continue escalating their side of the conflict?

00:14:11.100 And so you have this tit-for-tat that ends up in an extraordinarily dangerous situation, God forbid, a nuclear war, maybe a broader land war within Europe.

00:14:19.600 Where are the statesmen here, Jack?

00:14:21.300 This is my question, right?

00:14:22.820 You hear a lot of talk about how Donald Trump is not statesmanly-like because he doesn't talk the way that the State Department does.

00:14:30.880 Well, maybe what we need in our statesmen is people who speak directly but aren't trying to lead the world into nuclear war.

00:14:38.260 That is a lot closer to Donald Trump than anybody in current leadership in the United States government.

00:14:44.540 I just think this is so, so crazy.

00:14:48.160 What are we doing?

00:14:49.240 What are we trying to accomplish?

00:14:50.640 You hear this talking point, Jack, from people who support our continued involvement in Ukraine.

00:14:55.080 They say, if we don't continue to support the Ukrainians, the Chinese will think that we're weak because if we abandon the Ukrainians, maybe we abandon Taiwan, maybe we abandon someone else.

00:15:05.120 I don't think the Chinese give a damn if we thump our chest and act tough. 0.99

00:15:09.700 They care if we're smart.

00:15:11.520 They care if we have enough missiles and munitions to defend a potential ally.

00:15:15.980 We're sending all those missiles and munitions to Ukraine and not preserving them for our own uses.

00:15:20.520 So we're running out of bullets.

00:15:22.580 We're running out of our capacity to defend ourselves.

00:15:24.900 We're escalating a war in Europe.

00:15:27.080 That's what the Chinese care about.

00:15:28.840 They don't care about how tough we talk.

00:15:30.860 They care about how smart we are and how tough we're willing to engage if it comes to it.

00:15:35.980 This war is weakening us.

00:15:37.700 It may make a lot of Washington neocons feel tough.

00:15:41.780 That doesn't matter.

00:15:42.760 What matters is how strong we are as a country, and this war currently is weakening us.

00:15:47.260 All right, just a couple of minutes left.

00:15:48.400 I'd love to get your take.

00:15:49.400 If there's anything you were able to tell us about what you've heard the latest, and we know there's CRs, there's Ukraine funding on the table.

00:15:56.740 What's the latest that you're hearing as we are now?

00:15:58.620 Because as it stands, I think last time I checked, we're, what, six, seven days away from a potential government shutdown over these very issues.

00:16:05.800 Yeah, well, I think where we are, Jack, and just to sort of lay my cards on the table,

00:16:09.440 I think the House conservatives who are trying to really negotiate some significant cuts, some, frankly, defunding of the weaponized Department of Justice,

00:16:16.720 they're taking the right approach.

00:16:18.040 Of course, they have to negotiate with themselves and deliver a package to the United States Senate.

00:16:22.840 But what we're then hearing is that Chuck Schumer will not fund the government, will shut down the government unless there is a spending package that includes $24 billion for Ukraine.

00:16:34.000 So this really is the fight that's being set up on the United States Senate.

00:16:37.660 Do we pay our Border Patrol agents, or do we pay Zelensky and his generals?

00:16:42.620 Do we continue the war in Ukraine, or do we actually spend some resources defending our own sovereignty?

00:16:48.240 I don't think we can hammer that message home enough because it's the sort of thing that drives home how much this war is a distraction from core American priorities.

00:16:56.460 I obviously don't want a government shutdown.

00:16:59.720 I want us to sort of cut spending.

00:17:01.860 I think the House can deliver a package that does just that, that ensures that we have a functioning government, but also gets us back on a sustainable fiscal pathway.

00:17:09.960 But I worry that the Democrats in the Senate might screw it up because it's Ukraine or nothing for these guys. 0.72

00:17:15.300 And if that's what they're doing, if they're holding the U.S. government hostage to Ukraine funding, we've got to hammer them over the head with it, and we've got to make them pay politically.

00:17:24.220 Well, it's a simple question, and I think your colleague Mike Lee out of Utah posted pretty well.

00:17:29.940 He said, you know, this is the flag of your country, U.S. flag.

00:17:33.340 This is not the flag of your country, the Ukrainian flag, and it's just as simple as that. 0.97

00:17:37.700 And if the government's going to be shut down over Ukraine funding, well, I think the government should focus on funding for Americans first. 0.98

00:17:44.700 J.D. Vance, where can people go to follow you to get all the updates?

00:17:48.640 Yeah, I'm on Twitter.

00:17:49.460 J.D. Vance won all the social media, Facebook and X and all that stuff.

00:17:54.440 J.D. Vance.com is my website.

00:17:55.980 Would appreciate people following along.

00:17:57.780 We need as much support we can get.

00:17:59.740 The silent majority has to stop being silent, Jack.

00:18:02.120 We know that we're in the right on this issue.

00:18:04.380 If my Republican colleagues in Washington hear it, we might actually be able to stop this funding and stop this war.

00:18:09.980 Be able to stop a war.

00:18:12.180 Amen.

00:18:12.440 Senator J.D. Vance fighting for the people that elected him to office, the people who he represents.

00:18:19.440 What a concept.

00:18:20.740 I didn't realize that we had actual citizen leaders like that before.

00:18:25.800 But there you go.

00:18:26.640 J.D. Vance, a breath of fresh air in this town, which I got to tell you, smells a little bit swampy.

00:18:33.480 Coming up next, all about Julian Sanch.

00:18:36.180 Today, you talk about influences.

00:18:41.020 These are influences.

00:18:42.960 And they're friends of mine.

00:18:45.260 Jack Prasovic.

00:18:46.700 Where's Jack?

00:18:47.720 Jack.

00:18:48.700 He's done a great job.

00:18:50.600 All right.

00:18:53.500 Jack Prasovic back here.

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00:19:57.260 So there's been a case that's been going on in U.S. courts, British courts, and international courts for years at this point.

00:20:06.840 Almost a complete decade plus at this point.

00:20:09.580 Something that we haven't talked about here on the show in quite some time.

00:20:14.000 But our next guest is here to give us an update on it and a special petition because it's been a long time since we've said the name or talked about the case of Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.

00:20:27.300 And let's be serious.

00:20:29.100 Every time the United States government, particularly this State Department, comes out and says we support the rights of journalists, we support the right of freedom of speech, we support the right of journalists to be able to conduct their craft and do so upholding the rights and privileges of a journalist.

00:20:48.560 Then the real question is, why has the United States gone and filed charges against Julian Assange?

00:20:55.220 Why is that man behind bars?

00:20:57.160 Because the only crime he did is journalism.

00:21:01.220 The same thing that you'll see in the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal.

00:21:05.920 Every single day, he printed government documents that he obtained from a source.

00:21:11.820 This is First Amendment protected activity, and it's as simple as that.

00:21:16.360 His main crime for them was exposing the things that they were doing, the dirty deals that they were up to.

00:21:23.800 And I believe, guys, do we have that clip?

00:21:26.620 Do we have that Assange clip I wanted to play?

00:21:31.820 Let's play that clip.

00:21:33.120 All right, let's play that clip, guys, right here.

00:21:35.920 Because the goal is not to completely subjugate Afghanistan.

00:21:41.260 The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases. 0.90

00:21:46.680 In the case of Julian Assange, I very much hope the UK government might rethink their position about extraditing him to America,

00:21:59.740 because I don't in any way believe he'd get a fair trial there.

00:22:05.920 If our governments were more honest and more forthcoming about their actions and their activities,

00:22:15.480 probably there wouldn't be a need for journalists like Julian Assange to do what they do.

00:22:22.100 But we all know that that is not the case, and they're not forthcoming nor honest about many, many things.

00:22:29.000 And for me, it's quite critical to know what is done in my name.

00:22:37.460 That's why I would urge the UK government to revisit that decision.

00:22:42.940 All right, and then we actually started playing the one clip.

00:22:47.640 But guys, do we have that full clip?

00:22:48.940 We have that play a full clip of Assange where he's talking about war.

00:22:52.220 He's talking about Afghanistan.

00:22:53.380 Let's play that clip in full.

00:22:54.380 It's very important.

00:22:55.080 Because the goal is not to completely subjugate Afghanistan.

00:23:00.640 The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the United States, 0.86

00:23:07.680 out of the tax bases of European countries, through Afghanistan,

00:23:12.140 and back into the hands of a transnational security alliance.

00:23:15.560 That is the goal, i.e., the goal is to have an endless war, not a successful war.

00:23:23.000 The goal is for the transnational security elite to have an endless war, not a successful war,

00:23:30.940 so that they can wash the money out of the tax bases of their home countries into their own pockets.

00:23:38.180 He was talking about Afghanistan.

00:23:40.100 We're talking about Ukraine.

00:23:41.340 You heard Senator J.D. Vance in the very last segment.

00:23:44.040 This is why they are putting and have put Assange behind bars.

00:23:49.280 Joining us here for the first time in the program, live in studio,

00:23:52.220 we have Australian Senator Alex Antic.

00:23:54.160 Alex, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:23:55.620 Jack, thanks for having me.

00:23:56.520 It's great to be here.

00:23:57.440 So tell me about your delegation.

00:23:59.620 Why did you guys decide to come to D.C.?

00:24:01.620 Why are you here?

00:24:02.520 It's not just you, obviously, but explain to us the background.

00:24:05.580 Yeah, well, look, it's a delegation of around about five parliamentarians from Australia.

00:24:11.400 We have a different system.

00:24:12.160 We have senators and members of the House of Representatives.

00:24:15.280 And we've got a broad range of views, just like you do here up on Capitol Hill.

00:24:19.120 You've got a range from the left and a range from the right.

00:24:21.880 Oh, it's a whole circus up there.

00:24:23.380 We've been there.

00:24:24.100 I've seen it.

00:24:24.580 It's very interesting from an outsider's point of view.

00:24:27.140 But what is very, very unique is to see a cross-party delegation like this.

00:24:31.880 I mean, we've had people on this delegation that wouldn't agree on anything anywhere except the plight of Julian Assange.

00:24:38.720 So we've got people from the left, people from the right, people from the centre.

00:24:42.440 And we're here with the purpose of taking the message to the United States lawmakers and the various departments, the Department of State, the DOJ and others, that Australians overwhelmingly want to see Julian Assange home.

00:24:54.460 They want to see him home.

00:24:55.580 And we'd like to see him home before Christmas.

00:24:57.320 He has a wife and two kids, two kids that he hasn't seen, by the way, as a free man.

00:25:03.300 He's been his entire time, the kids have been alive, either in the Ecuadorian embassy or now in Belmarsh prison in the United Kingdom.

00:25:11.420 So this is a, it's not a left and right issue in Australian terms.

00:25:15.520 We know now that from polling that was done that about nine out of 10, just short of nine out of 10 Australians believe that Julian should be brought home.

00:25:22.580 We also bring with us a letter signed by 67 of our parliamentarians.

00:25:27.840 Now, there are only around about 220.

00:25:29.380 That's, that's almost a third of parliament that have signed this letter asking for Julian to be returned to Australia.

00:25:36.040 This is unheard of.

00:25:37.120 This has never happened before, as far as I'm aware.

00:25:39.580 And you have to take into account there that there are members of the executive arm of government that can't sign that letter.

00:25:45.700 So it's probably even closer to a half if you look at it in real terms and many more that would be sympathetic in any event.

00:25:51.440 So this guy has, has, has done time.

00:25:55.420 He's done his seven years or thereabouts in the, in the Ecuadorian embassy and now I think another four in, in Belmarsh.

00:26:02.400 And, you know, we are talking about the act of journalism ultimately.

00:26:05.980 I mean, he, he is not the person that, that, that, that, that got his hands on this material.

00:26:11.220 You know, whether or not you think Julian's a good guy or a bad guy, it doesn't really matter.

00:26:15.260 Ultimately, this is about the rule of law and it's time to bring Julian home.

00:26:19.460 Now, so the, the, the current status is that he's awaiting extradition to the United States where he has been charged with, with essentially stealing and publishing government documents.

00:26:31.320 And, and we could spend a lot of time going through those actual charges, but that he is charged in the U S the UK has yet to really come to their final ruling on whether or not he will make that extradition to the United States.

00:26:44.140 He's, there's appeals he's going through. So when you say bring him back to Australia, are you, what is the specific ask?

00:26:50.420 Are you asking for the charges to be dropped or an extradition to Australia?

00:26:53.660 And, and of course, by the way, if we haven't said it, Assange is an Australian citizen, Australian national, Australian native.

00:26:59.580 That's why for Australia, it's so significant.

00:27:01.960 That's right. Well, he's an Australian citizen and he's not someone that even on any measure committed a crime in the United States.

00:27:06.620 These are extra territorial offenses, which bring with them a range of other issues.

00:27:10.660 We've at the moment got an Australian journalist, a Chinese Australian journalist called Cheng Lai that is detained in, in China and mainland China for undisclosed, you know, crimes of, you know, the journalism in a very similar manner.

00:27:23.740 And, you know, ultimately, if we're going to become world citizens and be able to, you know, say that we support free journalism, then this could happen to anyone, anywhere, you know, for an Australian to travel, say, for example, to Indonesia, where there's an extradition treaty and Australian journalists and pinched off the street.

00:27:38.780 I mean, how can we complain?

00:27:40.120 How can the United States complain about the treatment of its own prisoners overseas when in circumstances where we're really seeing an Australian citizen being detained for things that he didn't, didn't, didn't even consider on American soil?

00:27:52.560 So it's a very strange situation.

00:27:54.380 You're right about the extradition proceedings.

00:27:56.200 The extradition proceedings are before the courts at the moment.

00:27:59.320 We're led to believe through his lawyers that the decision on whether or not to extradite Julian could happen at any day, literally could happen today or tomorrow or in a week's time or in a month's time.

00:28:08.060 We just don't know that's a matter for the courts.

00:28:10.240 But ultimately, they are hand in glove, those two matters, a matter of the charges and a matter of the extradition.

00:28:15.420 Really, without one, the other doesn't follow.

00:28:17.160 Without the charges, there'd be no extradition.

00:28:19.820 That's right.

00:28:20.180 So we would like to see Julian returned home.

00:28:23.240 And that brings with it the suggestion that the charges should be dropped.

00:28:26.840 All right.

00:28:27.020 So the U.S. then drops.

00:28:28.340 And of course, by the way, we saw this already with Joe Biden's predecessor, Barack Obama, because, as you mentioned, there was a source for Julian Assange.

00:28:38.980 That was Bradley Manning, you know, it goes by Chelsea Manning.

00:28:42.460 And that soldier, former soldier, actually was not pardoned by Obama when he left office, but ended up having their sentence commuted, essentially.

00:28:52.840 Which means, so you still have this, it's on the books, but you don't have to serve your time anymore.

00:28:57.180 So basically what you're saying is there's already precedent for something like this.

00:29:01.700 Yeah, I mean, this is it.

00:29:02.880 So the person that ultimately was charged and convicted of the offence is a free person.

00:29:10.760 Is free.

00:29:11.280 Is free.

00:29:11.860 And yet Julian has spent the last 11, 10 or 11 years of his life, you know, in one form of solitary confinement or another.

00:29:19.160 And let's be clear, the conditions in Belmarsh are difficult.

00:29:22.260 This is effectively a U.K. supermax prison.

00:29:24.700 Yes.

00:29:25.280 You know, he has very little, very little free time, very little air, very, you know, airtime in the outdoors, very little time outside of almost a solitary confinement type arrangement.

00:29:35.180 So these are difficult, difficult, difficult conditions.

00:29:38.080 And of course, if he was to come to the United States, he would be, I presume, taken to a supermax prison.

00:29:44.040 And supermax, that's that's Ted Kaczynski.

00:29:46.080 That's where Ramzi Youssef, that's that's the Unabomber. 0.99

00:29:49.580 That's that's all of our sort of top levels, Zacharias Moussaoui, top level criminals and convicts and terrorists.

00:29:55.780 It's out and out in Colorado.

00:29:57.360 That's right.

00:29:57.700 Yeah.

00:29:57.920 So so these are, you know, on any measure, human rights issues.

00:30:01.620 He's not in good health.

00:30:02.480 He's not in good mental health, we're told.

00:30:04.480 And ultimately, you know, our message here, though, is not really to go into the detail of the of the charges.

00:30:10.140 And our message is here is just to bring the suggestion to the American lawmakers and departments that Australians, great allies of the United States, great friends of the United States say it's time for this to end.

00:30:21.360 It's time for Julian to come home.

00:30:22.800 Time for this to end.

00:30:24.120 Time for Julian to come home.

00:30:25.640 Look, we we we speak out when Wall Street Journal reporters is currently there's one being held behind bars in Russia because he was investigating the Wagner Group and their their recruitment practices all the way out and deep within central Russia and Siberia.

00:30:39.900 How can the United States claim any kind of moral superiority over a regime like Russia or regime like China when we are locking up people for the crime of doing journals?

00:30:53.060 We've got another couple of segments coming up here.

00:30:55.200 Australian Senator Alex Antic joins us live in studio.

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00:32:43.040 So we're continuing that discussion.

00:32:44.320 Alex, when we look at these situations, one of the things that always gets me about Assange is this was a guy that when Bush was president and he was speaking out against the Iraq war,

00:32:58.680 his first videos came out, this helicopter attack, which ended up killing journalists that the administration had tried to at the time,

00:33:07.780 the Pentagon really tried to cover up when he exposed secrets in Afghanistan.

00:33:12.380 He was viewed as a hero by the international celebrities.

00:33:17.820 People were out there speaking about him all the time, received so many awards.

00:33:21.400 WikiLeaks was receiving awards.

00:33:23.160 But then all of a sudden something happens in 2016 and he starts putting out information regarding the Clintons and these operations.

00:33:31.500 And now he becomes a pariah.

00:33:33.340 Now he's facing charges.

00:33:35.020 What happened?

00:33:35.620 Why is the media turned on him so completely?

00:33:38.220 Yeah, look, it's a great question, Jack.

00:33:39.640 And in fact, just to add to that list, he actually won Australia's highest journalist award, the Walkley Award in Australia.

00:33:45.920 So this is, you know, and that was 2009 or thereabouts, I think.

00:33:49.100 So he was riding the wave.

00:33:50.700 He was the rock star outside a journalist for a little while. 0.90

00:33:54.840 And then for whatever reason, of course, it appears that, you know, he became the, you know, the crazy asylum ridden lunatic who wasn't shaving and doing all this sort of thing. 0.79

00:34:03.540 Now, that that didn't happen by accident. 0.53

00:34:05.240 That happened presumably because the media had a narrative, had a reason to try and demonize him.

00:34:11.400 And I think there was a very, very effective smear campaign that was released onto Julian.

00:34:17.540 You know, the idea of this, of course, is to sort of, you know, dehumanize the person.

00:34:22.800 And I don't know that, you know, there can be other many other examples we can think of where that's been quite as effective as this.

00:34:29.120 Of course, it happens all the time.

00:34:30.100 We know that.

00:34:30.600 But in this instance, it was very, very effective in taking Julian from being, you know, almost this sort of hero of the media world to, you know, this sort of disparaged figure who was ultimately sent to jail.

00:34:42.620 So it did, it felt to me like it happened very quickly, but I suspect it happened over a series of, you know, death by a thousand cuts in a sense.

00:34:50.360 So difficult to know why.

00:34:52.120 I'm sure everyone's got theories.

00:34:53.500 But, you know, here we are today.

00:34:55.360 And the thing that's most alarming, I think, though, now is the fact that as we've come to D.C. to talk, it feels like the case has just been lost in the system.

00:35:03.620 Now it's almost as though the media don't want to talk about it at all.

00:35:06.260 And yet this man has a wife and two kids.

00:35:10.240 And, you know, he's got a life outside here that goes on while he's languishing in a U.K. prison.

00:35:15.780 Well, we talked to Senator Vance.

00:35:17.640 And I don't know if you've met with Senator Vance at all or his office.

00:35:20.340 Maybe we can put you guys together after this.

00:35:23.760 Guys, if you're watching.

00:35:25.360 But what sort of reception has there been?

00:35:28.840 Obviously, we know Congress is in a massive budget fight right now.

00:35:32.340 So it's hard.

00:35:34.120 It was tough for us to get Senator Vance on even just because of this.

00:35:37.220 It's constantly going back and forth.

00:35:38.720 But what has the reception been?

00:35:40.880 Because, you know, here in the U.S., we are consumed with what, you know, sort of the lawfare of the Department of Justice.

00:35:49.920 We have political candidates that are now being placed under indictment here in the United States.

00:35:56.220 Leading political candidates, depending on which poll you look at, that it almost seems like the Assange case is something that's just almost on the back burner.

00:36:03.700 So when it comes to Congress, what's the reception been like?

00:36:06.220 Yeah, it's been really good.

00:36:07.100 In fact, we were very, very fortunate to get, you know, several days with lots of different people from both sides of politics.

00:36:12.800 And you could sense there were other things on their mind, but they were very generous with their time.

00:36:16.240 I have to say from all angles, we met with, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:36:20.860 We met with Democrat Congress men and, you know, everyone in between.

00:36:26.500 We had a whole heap of meetings and everyone was very generous with their time.

00:36:29.680 I don't know whether that's because, you know, we're allies and friendly Australians or whatever it was.

00:36:34.460 But, you know, look, I think the reception has generally been pretty positive.

00:36:38.420 The question is how to move the dial.

00:36:40.340 And we want to be bringing that awareness that this is still an issue.

00:36:43.200 And I think most of them actually said what we've been saying, that is, I hadn't thought about this for years in many respects.

00:36:49.220 But all were across it and all were of the view, I think, that something needs to be done.

00:36:54.480 And once again, shows how this is one of those views, it's not a left and right view in politics.

00:36:58.780 You know, we had both sides, very interesting political dynamic.

00:37:02.080 We had two sides from two different countries all agreeing on the same thing and all yet being frustrated by the fact that the dial's not moving and this seems to be languishing.

00:37:10.000 So it's been a very important exercise.

00:37:11.820 We had a full page ad in the Washington Post or the Assange group did with all of the signatures from the 67 Australian parliamentarians, which we hope has raised the awareness.

00:37:22.140 And the other thing I'll say about this is to show you how unique this is to the Australian psyche.

00:37:27.000 We've now got the Australian prime minister who's due here on the 26th of October for a state visit.

00:37:31.540 So he's coming to talk to the Biden administration.

00:37:33.980 But we've also got the opposition leader, the leader of my party, the center-right party, which is oddly named the Liberal Party in Australia.

00:37:40.240 But, you know, it's a different interpretation in Australian terms.

00:37:42.540 I've always said, by the way, that just my little bone to pick with U.S. politics versus everywhere else is that we get the colors wrong, right?

00:37:51.300 We get the colors so wrong in the U.S., right?

00:37:53.940 It's the communists are supposed to be red, right?

00:37:56.640 Everywhere else in the world, the communists are red.

00:37:59.560 And it's very clear.

00:38:00.780 It's very obvious.

00:38:01.920 And it's the traditionalists or the right, which is blue.

00:38:06.200 And yet here in the U.S., we are the ones who are switched.

00:38:08.640 Well, our color is blue as well.

00:38:09.760 So the Conservative Party is blue.

00:38:11.380 See, there you go.

00:38:11.660 There you go.

00:38:12.520 It's a bit on its ear.

00:38:13.500 But the opposition leader, too, is of the view, I think, that this needs to be brought home.

00:38:17.660 I don't think I'm misrepresenting.

00:38:18.600 I hope I'm not.

00:38:19.520 But this is universal in Australian politics almost.

00:38:22.260 I mean, there is so much support for this.

00:38:25.480 And we would love to see Julian home by Christmas.

00:38:28.220 We think enough's enough.

00:38:29.760 Now, when it comes to the Biden administration, have you gotten any sense from them?

00:38:36.720 Because ultimately, that's where it would come from.

00:38:38.560 The Senate and the House are able to put pressure.

00:38:41.060 That's for sure.

00:38:41.720 Obviously, with the budget fight right now, if you can get enough people on your side looking for leverage,

00:38:47.000 looking for, obviously, within the next week, the Senate and the House will come or potentially either go to a shutdown,

00:38:54.300 as J.D. Vance, Senator, was just explaining, or potentially go to some kind of deal where there's spending cuts,

00:39:01.380 other things that come in.

00:39:02.440 Have you heard anything from the Biden administration?

00:39:04.940 Look, I haven't.

00:39:05.620 We haven't met with anyone directly from there.

00:39:07.340 We met with the Department of State and the DOJ, which were excellent meetings, very productive, I think.

00:39:14.880 It's an unique situation.

00:39:15.940 We're not used to quite how politics works in this country because those people...

00:39:20.060 Oh, trust me, neither are we.

00:39:20.860 Yeah.

00:39:21.520 Those people, it's good to know.

00:39:22.900 If you try to figure it out every day.

00:39:23.960 Those people, ultimately, the heads of those departments are appointed.

00:39:28.260 They're appointed by the Biden administration.

00:39:29.680 In our country, they're elected parliamentarians.

00:39:32.560 They're ministers who are responsible for that department.

00:39:34.720 So there is the ability for Congress people and senators to go and grab them and say, listen, what's going on?

00:39:40.660 So the system's a bit of a challenge, you know, and we haven't had any...

00:39:44.740 Well, certainly this delegation hasn't had any interaction directly with the Biden administration,

00:39:47.900 but we hope that the Australian prime minister will.

00:39:50.040 We assume he will, and we assume that, you know, that everyone will be asked this question.

00:39:53.480 Well, even with those meetings, though, with State and then with DOJ, did it seem productive?

00:39:58.760 Did it seem like they were willing to meet you in the middle or anything?

00:40:03.660 Oh, look, they were productive and they were, you know, very important exercises, I think,

00:40:09.400 because I don't think on any level, be it the media, be it politics, be it departmental level,

00:40:14.400 there's any understanding of the depth of sympathy for Julian's plight in Australia.

00:40:18.980 It's really changed over the last five years or so.

00:40:21.520 I think Australians have this concept of a fair go, and we think that this is the issue that shows 0.89

00:40:27.200 that Julian needs to be given a fair go.

00:40:29.340 So it's conveying that message, I think, is our primary concern.

00:40:33.320 And the legal side will be dealt with by as lawyers.

00:40:35.540 We're here to convey the politics of it, and the politics of it are swinging towards Julian's favor.

00:40:39.660 A fair go.

00:40:41.800 Isn't that the only thing that we've always asked for here in the U.S.?

00:40:45.880 You know, we'd like to have a fair go of things, and yet we see time and time again

00:40:50.240 juries that are stacked with members of the opposition party that are then weighing in on criminal cases

00:40:57.780 against people that they completely disagree with.

00:41:01.440 And then when you look at the actual facts, you're asking yourself, how could this ever result in the verdict that it does?

00:41:07.700 But it doesn't matter because it's become politicized.

00:41:11.220 The idea of fairness, the idea of justice, justice is blind.

00:41:16.040 These are concepts that we don't usually get to talk about anymore in the United States,

00:41:20.220 so I appreciate that we have a representative here of this country here to explain it to us.

00:41:25.300 One more segment coming up next, Senator Alex Antic talking all about Julian Assange.

00:41:32.560 I'm working long hours.

00:41:34.220 I'm always listening to Human Events with Jack Posobiec.

00:41:36.560 So, Senator, in addition to the Assange issues, I'd be remiss if, you know, having you here on the show,

00:41:42.780 I didn't ask about some of the issues between Australia and the Biden administration,

00:41:46.900 actually between the U.S. right now.

00:41:48.420 The reneging of the nuclear deal when it came to the submarines early on in the Biden administration,

00:41:54.800 is that still a contentious issue between the countries?

00:41:58.640 Do you think this will come up when the prime minister visits?

00:42:00.680 What's the current status?

00:42:02.000 Well, I mean, as far as I'm aware, those subs are still on the table, as far as I'm aware.

00:42:07.420 Really?

00:42:07.760 Yeah, but they're contentious domestically at home because of the fact that they're nuclear.

00:42:13.100 Now, I mean, that's a complete no-brainer to most of us,

00:42:15.900 but Australia has no ability under our legislation to allow the generation of nuclear power.

00:42:22.740 So we are stuck in this no-man's land of energy.

00:42:26.260 Our energy grid is in real trouble in our country in the sense that we are...

00:42:29.500 So it's like a ban, a complete ban on nuclear power.

00:42:30.940 There's a complete prohibition on the generation of nuclear power in Australia.

00:42:34.220 It goes back to 1999.

00:42:35.560 There was an amendment to one of the environmental legislation, one of the environmental acts,

00:42:41.180 which put a complete prohibition on the generation of nuclear power.

00:42:43.960 Now, with the advent of the submarine deal, that, of course, brings with it the very real nuclear generation, in a sense.

00:42:52.620 I mean, they really are in small nuclear, small modular nuclear reactors inside a sub,

00:42:56.360 as you would well know with your naval back then.

00:42:57.780 I've been in them.

00:42:58.740 You would have.

00:42:59.500 So we don't quite know what the nuts and bolts of that are.

00:43:02.400 And look, there may still be things that are being thrashed out about those.

00:43:05.800 But I think one of the things that I'm...

00:43:09.920 I've been a massive advocate of nuclear power generation,

00:43:12.480 which probably sounds a bit counterintuitive to the Americans,

00:43:14.920 where you've got lots of them floating around.

00:43:16.560 Well, even Ukraine, the country that suffered the worst nuclear crisis in all history,

00:43:23.140 still has nuclear power plants and nuclear generating stations with Chernobyl in the 1980s.

00:43:27.660 But then they still have, and it's obviously become a huge issue in the war.

00:43:31.020 But they didn't turn away from nuclear power even after going through that experience.

00:43:35.460 Well, that's right.

00:43:35.860 And Japan, too, of course.

00:43:36.960 That's right.

00:43:37.180 With Fukushima.

00:43:37.400 Yeah, Fukushima, yes.

00:43:38.340 And, of course, the distinction needs to be made between some of the old tech.

00:43:41.220 I mean, you know, the power plant in Chernobyl was, of course...

00:43:43.800 Well, this is Soviet 1970s, 80s technology.

00:43:47.440 Yeah, I mean, we say, you know, those of us that are advocates often say

00:43:50.020 it's a bit like comparing the Wright brothers' plane to an Airbus A380.

00:43:53.960 I mean, they're just not the same.

00:43:55.420 But the Gen 4 reactors are incredible.

00:43:57.680 Yeah, and so there's that.

00:43:58.800 And the arguments against nuclear power generation in Australia are always too expensive.

00:44:03.300 But, you know, my view is let's let the market decide that.

00:44:06.800 Let's get out of the way, legislative, let's get government out of the way

00:44:09.500 and allow the market to tell us whether it's cost prohibitive or not.

00:44:12.560 At the moment, we've got a Labor government in Australia

00:44:15.660 that is pursuing a renewable agenda with solar and wind at the cornerstone of that.

00:44:21.780 And you simply cannot possibly expect to power a country,

00:44:26.400 even a middle power like Australia, on sunbeams and wind.

00:44:32.380 You know, the sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow.

00:44:34.540 So that, in accordance with the, you know, the sort of the transmission lines,

00:44:38.960 I mean, we're a big country.

00:44:40.180 You have to then be able to connect them in a special way.

00:44:42.520 So, look, nuclear power, I hope, is going to be a part of Australia's future.

00:44:46.060 And, you know, I expect that there are, you know, opportunities there

00:44:48.640 for American companies to talk to Australia in due course when that hope is approved.

00:44:52.240 Well, and of course, when you go talk to the American companies

00:44:54.620 like Westinghouse or some of these others, they will say,

00:44:57.800 and they're very open about this, they say,

00:44:59.560 look, our plans are China.

00:45:01.540 It's China, China, China.

00:45:02.660 That's where all the nuclear growth is going.

00:45:04.420 That's where all the money is going.

00:45:05.860 The deal is going back to the Clinton administration

00:45:07.500 between the two sides, the U.S. and China,

00:45:09.880 have always been for essentially American companies

00:45:12.900 to build nuclear plants in China.

00:45:15.140 And it's always because of legislation,

00:45:17.240 whether it be Europe, whether it be Australia,

00:45:19.840 there always seems to be ways against China, of course.

00:45:22.980 No such repercussions whatsoever.

00:45:24.740 Yeah, no, that's right.

00:45:25.440 And, in fact, I mean, of course, you know, that is the market, right?

00:45:27.880 We're a very small blip on that, you know, radar.

00:45:31.220 But ultimately, I mean, I think there are opportunities there for Australia.

00:45:33.960 I mean, there's all sorts of applications for small modular reactors.

00:45:36.660 We've got, you know, companies that are mining out in the remote outback

00:45:40.060 that need power sources.

00:45:41.060 Well, what better way to do it than to have a small modular reactor?

00:45:43.480 They're powering the town and powering the mining operation.

00:45:47.440 So, you know...

00:45:47.960 And some of those mines, by the way,

00:45:49.300 were actually delivering the materials that end up going to nuclear power.

00:45:52.720 And this is the absurdity of us having a, you know,

00:45:55.380 sort of a prohibition on nuclear power generation.

00:45:57.360 We've got something like a third of the world's uranium in Australia.

00:45:59.900 And we have for a long period of time, and we export it.

00:46:02.520 And, in fact, in my home state of South Australia,

00:46:04.340 we had a royal commission into the issue of the nuclear fuel cycle,

00:46:07.840 that is, the ability for us to dig it out of the ground,

00:46:10.580 use it for generation, and then take it and store it.

00:46:13.760 And, you know, the money that was being talked about

00:46:16.200 were billions and billions and billions,

00:46:17.980 hundreds of billions of dollars over the next 10, 20 years,

00:46:20.960 at the very least, it was scrapped

00:46:22.980 because, you know, politics didn't think it was going to pass the pub test

00:46:26.700 is another expression that we use in Australia.

00:46:28.460 It means it didn't, you know, common sense wouldn't allow it.

00:46:30.560 But the reality is we're just tearing up $100 bills doing that.

00:46:33.360 We've got...we're energy rich, we're mineral rich in our country,

00:46:36.840 and we have to have a nuclear power future.

00:46:39.540 I don't see any other way.

00:46:40.760 And certainly, you know, for people that are adherents

00:46:42.940 of the net zero agenda, which I am certainly not,

00:46:46.220 there is no other way to achieve it.

00:46:47.600 Oh, this was even prior to the Uranium One deal

00:46:50.660 here in the United States,

00:46:52.060 which was conducted between Russia and the Obama administration,

00:46:55.940 that Russia was coming into Australia

00:46:57.660 and buying Australian uranium,

00:46:59.560 and these mineral rights were going...

00:47:01.540 So you've got the uranium.

00:47:02.620 We've got it.

00:47:03.300 You can't even use it.

00:47:04.720 We've got it. We want to sell it.

00:47:05.280 We're your own country.

00:47:06.100 So you're going to sell it,

00:47:07.180 which is a strategic resource of any country.

00:47:10.140 Here in the United States, just a couple of weeks ago,

00:47:11.840 we found a new incredibly enormous lithium deposit

00:47:16.260 right on the border of Utah.

00:47:18.120 They say it's one of the largest one they've ever found.

00:47:19.920 Elon Musk has said, you know,

00:47:21.360 there's so much lithium out there in the world

00:47:23.180 where there's no such thing as a shortage.

00:47:24.940 What there is, though,

00:47:25.900 is a shortage of the political will

00:47:27.540 to actually conduct these types of operations,

00:47:31.400 which obviously, number one, would be very lucid.

00:47:33.040 I think people, though, when it comes to nuclear power,

00:47:35.160 they just don't understand the math behind it.

00:47:37.320 It is so exponentially more efficient

00:47:41.580 in terms of energy creation

00:47:43.760 than anything else we've ever discovered.

00:47:45.540 It's several orders of magnitude better

00:47:47.720 than coal, fuel, et cetera,

00:47:50.080 and certainly wind and solar,

00:47:53.220 and I think people just don't even understand that.

00:47:55.400 We've got about 90 seconds left here on the show.

00:47:58.140 Where can people go to follow you,

00:47:59.700 get more information on all of these issues,

00:48:01.860 and what's your bottom line for our audience?

00:48:04.140 We'll start with where to find me.

00:48:05.860 I've got a Twitter handle, Senator Antic,

00:48:07.980 A-N-T-I-C, on Twitter X now, as it is,

00:48:10.880 and, of course, Facebook for my sins,

00:48:12.740 but anyway, let's not talk about that.

00:48:14.580 Also, my website, www.alexantic.com.au,

00:48:18.680 and people can join up and follow in the mailing list there,

00:48:21.000 and we have some Australian-specific stuff,

00:48:22.740 but we talk about all sorts of things there,

00:48:24.280 and I've got a podcast as well

00:48:25.620 called Based with Senator Alex Antic

00:48:27.100 that we're doing political stuff in Australian terms,

00:48:29.980 which we're doing quite well.

00:48:31.360 It's interesting.

00:48:31.900 In this job, I get the opportunity

00:48:33.220 to talk to interesting people,

00:48:34.340 and I can't see any reason

00:48:36.520 why we wouldn't try and broadcast them

00:48:37.720 so that other people can hear

00:48:38.980 from interesting people, too.

00:48:40.180 Now, does Based mean the same thing in Australia

00:48:42.300 that it means here,

00:48:43.400 or is that like a different...

00:48:44.380 You're going to have to tell me before I say yes.

00:48:45.900 What does it mean in Australia?

00:48:47.060 No, it means it's...

00:48:47.980 Based means it's cool, it's good,

00:48:50.460 it's, you know, something like that.

00:48:51.940 I'm going to say yes to that.

00:48:53.360 All right, all right.

00:48:54.180 In our lingo, it means principled, so...

00:48:56.280 Principled?

00:48:56.920 Yeah.

00:48:58.120 Principled.

00:48:58.660 But also cool.

00:48:59.580 I did say that.

00:49:00.400 Yeah, principled.

00:49:01.820 Cool.

00:49:02.420 Okay, all right, all right.

00:49:04.020 Ladies and gentlemen,

00:49:05.380 what an incredible episode.

00:49:06.900 We've got international senators,

00:49:08.720 we've got domestic senators, 0.54

00:49:10.740 we've got senators that are being indicted

00:49:12.380 in New Jersey

00:49:13.280 because they went against

00:49:14.220 the Biden administration

00:49:15.100 when it comes to the Iran deal.

00:49:16.640 Stay tuned,

00:49:17.300 because you never know

00:49:18.280 what is going to come next

00:49:19.440 here on this program,

00:49:20.900 here in Washington, D.C.

00:49:22.220 Ladies and gentlemen,

00:49:23.160 as always,

00:49:23.980 you have my permission

00:49:24.680 to let you show it.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - September 22, 2023

EPISODE 567： WILL UKRAINE FORCE A GOV’T SHUTDOWN IN THE US, WILL JULIAN ASSANGE BE PARDONED？

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